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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, It's Wednesday, May twenty eighth. Welcome to Amy

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Speaker 1: and TJ. I'm Amy Roebuck and I'm TJ Holmes. Why

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Speaker 1: are you puzzled when I said welcome to Amy and TJ?

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Speaker 1: Because I forgot what we're doing. We do so many podcasts.

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Speaker 2: It feels this one's about relationship, that one's about crying,

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Speaker 2: This one's about news, that one's about something else. So

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Speaker 2: I forgot where we were.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, this is the Sean Diddycombs recap that we've

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Speaker 1: been doing every day after testimony, so we can give

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Speaker 1: you a one stop shop where you don't have to

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Speaker 1: go and try to find who said what when. It's

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Speaker 1: very confusing when you go through all the different news

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Speaker 1: outlets to see what happened to trials. So we have

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Speaker 1: done all of that for you, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: go over what happened in court yesterday. And it was

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Speaker 1: pretty remarkable what happened on Tuesday. This is the start

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Speaker 1: of the third full week of testimony the prosecution's case

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Speaker 1: against Calms. There was only one witness, but my goodness,

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Speaker 1: she packed a punch.

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Speaker 2: This was Capricorn Clark. She makes an impression. If you

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Speaker 2: have no idea who she is just by her name.

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Speaker 2: Her name is Capricorn Clark. She's a former assistant Taditty

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Speaker 2: and global brand director for him. She also worked as

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Speaker 2: Cassie's creative director, and she worked several people rogues we've

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Speaker 2: heard from so far. I think she might be the

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Speaker 2: one that's worked the longest for him of the people,

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Speaker 2: at least that we've heard. From two thousand and four

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Speaker 2: to twenty twelve, was it.

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Speaker 1: But then once again she came back again all the

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Speaker 1: way up to twenty eighteen, and just last year in

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Speaker 1: April of twenty twenty four. In the spring of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four, she tried to work for him again.

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Speaker 2: So they have a long standing relationship. And look, she

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Speaker 2: this is a lady. A lot of people gotten up

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Speaker 2: and testified about what they saw and here and there,

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Speaker 2: and some of his assistants. She was in that inner

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Speaker 2: circle and she handled even called herself his protector. So

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Speaker 2: she was right there, very trusted, and she saw a

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Speaker 2: little bit of everything, according to her testimony, and she

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Speaker 2: gave some details. There were even it's hard to compare

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Speaker 2: days of testimony and details that are more chilling than others.

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Speaker 2: But some of the stuff she talked about will leave

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Speaker 2: you shook.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean she was with Ditty, like we mentioned, on

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Speaker 1: and off for twenty years, and not only did she

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Speaker 1: which is why a lot of people have questioned why

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Speaker 1: she would stay so long, why she would stand by

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Speaker 1: him for so long, why she wanted to return to

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Speaker 1: work again and again. If you believe what her testimony is,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine that you would choose to continually

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Speaker 1: put yourself back in that kind of environment.

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Speaker 2: Well, she said it. It's complicated. My relationship with him

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Speaker 2: is complicated, she said. Even to this day, she misses

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Speaker 2: the job and she would still go back again. As

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Speaker 2: early as last year, she was still in some conversations

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Speaker 2: about a potential role she might have with Ditty. But

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Speaker 2: she was described on the stand yesterday at times that

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Speaker 2: there are several reporters in the room from several outlets

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Speaker 2: who are giving their accounts, but they were all rose

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Speaker 2: pretty universal and saying she cried uncontrollably few times.

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Speaker 3: Understand.

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Speaker 1: I think the verb was she was sobbing uncontrollably, uncontrollably,

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Speaker 1: which gives you an image of what was happening up

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Speaker 1: on the stand. But yes, she said throughout it all,

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Speaker 1: she wanted Ditty's approval. And that's what we've heard time

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Speaker 1: and time again. He created something with some of these

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Speaker 1: folks who worked with him, who begged and craved for

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Speaker 1: his approval. And she said when she kept going back,

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Speaker 2: She wants approval from a guy who, she also said

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Speaker 2: on the stand, threatened to kill her on more than

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Speaker 2: one occasion, who fired her on more than one occasion.

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Speaker 2: She heard him threaten to kill other people as well.

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Speaker 2: She witnessed what she said was horrific violence. But at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and that is truly complicated. I don't I

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Speaker 1: can't think of a better word to describe it than that.

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Speaker 1: And what her testimony, what we heard from her yesterday

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Speaker 1: was key and central to the prosecution's case specifically to

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Speaker 1: a kidnapping charge, because she claims she was kidnapped by

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Speaker 1: Sean Diddy Combs in the early morning hours to go

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Speaker 3: That was, of course, the rapper who.

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Speaker 1: He had a beef with because he was seeing his

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Speaker 1: on again, off again girlfriend Cassie Ventura, and when he

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Speaker 1: said we're going to kill Cutty.

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Speaker 2: This was important. This was a critical part of the

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Speaker 2: prosecution's case because if they prove or convince the jury

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Speaker 2: at least that did he was involved and his associates

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Speaker 2: were involved in other crimes as a part of his enterprise.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to prove a racketeering charge. They're trying to

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Speaker 2: essentially show what they showed when they were convicting mobsters

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Speaker 2: back in the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties. This rico charge,

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Speaker 2: if you will, They're trying to prove he has a

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Speaker 2: criminal enterprise. So this is why it is important. Another crime,

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Speaker 2: kidnapping is a pretty serious crime and Capricorn Clark Clark

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Speaker 2: claim she was taken against her will. This story is central,

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Speaker 2: I guess for the first couple to the first couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks of this trial rose because Kid Cutty, A

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Speaker 2: lot of people didn't even know his name potentially and

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Speaker 2: weren't familiar with his music. But he has been central

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Speaker 2: dating Cassie. Did he found out about it? And it's

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Speaker 2: set off this whole chain of events.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so yesterday we heard Capricorn Clark testify that Ditty

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Speaker 1: and his security guard went into Cutty's house and again

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Speaker 1: she's there against her will, she claims, And that's when

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Speaker 1: she says she called Cassie on a burner phone to

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Speaker 1: tell her that Ditty was in front of Cutty's house.

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Speaker 1: She goes through this whole explanation about Cutty coming to

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Speaker 1: and she describes a chase ensued between the two.

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Speaker 2: She said it felt like it was forever, but it

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Speaker 2: might have been a minute before Cutty essentially got away.

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Speaker 2: But that scene that night, we've heard it. We heard

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Speaker 2: witness's perspective. A witness who claimed to be along for

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Speaker 2: the ride against her will, that is kidnapping. He has

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Speaker 2: a loaded gun telling hers she doesn't have a choice

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Speaker 2: she called Cassie from a burner phone. The fact that

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Speaker 2: the idea. She said she was the one that took

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Speaker 2: her to Best Buy to get a burner phone when

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you have to do that, you have

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Speaker 1: She also testified that after all of this, Diddy told

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Speaker 1: Cassie and Capricorn that they had to get kid Cutty

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Speaker 1: to not go to police, otherwise if they didn't do that,

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Speaker 1: she claims that Diddy said he'll kill them all her words.

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Speaker 2: Her testimony under oath saying that happened. She made a

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Speaker 2: comment earlier as well to in along those same lines

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Speaker 2: that Cassie's going to get us all killed. Right in

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Speaker 2: dating kid Cutty. She just knew how explosive potentially that

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Speaker 2: a burner front, all these things. But the idea that

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Speaker 2: she was told more on one occasion, my Diddy that

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Speaker 2: he's gonna kill folks, including her. I'm gonna kill all

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Speaker 2: of y'all if you don't just convince him to not

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Speaker 1: I thought it was so remarkable listening or hearing about

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Speaker 1: Capricorn's testimony about Cassie. It was it was all over

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Speaker 1: the place. On one hand, she talked about her and

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Speaker 1: she worked directly for her, saying she went from being

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Speaker 1: more of a sweet model to a feisty girlfriend. Feisty yes,

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Speaker 1: and then yes, what you just said. She said Cassie

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Speaker 1: was gonna get us all killed. But that's crazy, like

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Speaker 1: putting the blame on Cassie. Cassie is gonna get you

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Speaker 1: all killed, when the finger at times she did should

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Speaker 1: be pointed directly if this is all true at Diddy

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the I guess that speaks once again to

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Speaker 2: the psyche of everybody in that world, knowing that this

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Speaker 2: guy is the one we all depend on. This is

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Speaker 2: the one we all have to serve. So let's figure

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Speaker 2: whether that's pain, whether that's embarrassment, whatever we have to

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Speaker 2: guy happy. That's it, Bill. Look, the prosecution, if nothing else,

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Speaker 2: is building an idea of a world that we had

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Speaker 3: And makes no sense in the real world.

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Speaker 1: You know, to not blame the person who's actually committing

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Speaker 1: these atrocities or who you say is, but versus or

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Speaker 1: that's kind of an insane thing to think about for me.

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Speaker 1: And she also said that Cassie wanted her out of

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Speaker 1: Diddy's inner circle, so you know, she definitely had a

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Speaker 1: tumultuous relationship with Cassie, and certainly that was explained on

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Speaker 1: wild to hear all of what she said happened, specifically

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Speaker 1: on the kid Cutty situation. The cross examination was very

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Speaker 1: interesting because Ditty's lawyers went after Capricorn because, yes, she's

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Speaker 1: saying she was kidnapped. She's saying she went against her will.

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Speaker 1: She's saying he brandished a gun and she felt like

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Speaker 1: her life was under threat. But they pointed out that

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Speaker 1: she previously said she went with Ditty to kid Cutty's

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Speaker 1: that's the question. Did she go willingly to protect him,

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Speaker 1: to do her job or what she thought was her job,

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Speaker 1: or was she taken against her will.

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Speaker 2: Look, legal experts out there say this is a very

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Speaker 2: important part of the prosecution's case. They need to prove

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Speaker 2: that a crime had taken place here. The kidnapping is

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Speaker 2: a very very important thing. Not just about sentiments anymore.

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Speaker 2: It's not just about oh my, this guy's crazy, he

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Speaker 2: had gun, he did some silly stuff, he was mad,

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Speaker 2: he was even hitting a woman. No, no, no, that

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Speaker 2: the kidnapping, they say, is very important in building a

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Speaker 2: case about a criminal enterprise. So there was another potential

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Speaker 2: incident in which she was kidnapped, though if they could

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Speaker 2: possibly prove because Capricorn Clark explained that there was another

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Speaker 2: incident a different year in which she was in charge

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Speaker 2: of jewelry for Diddy. That bag went missing and she

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Speaker 2: was taken robes to an abandoned floor of a building,

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Speaker 1: And when he fired her, he told her he'd make

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Speaker 2: He's gonna make things that bad for it. And she's

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Speaker 1: Despite all the things, perhaps negative, that she said about

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Speaker 3: That's tough to hear.

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Speaker 2: That one was tough to hear. Look, so much of

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Speaker 2: That's a tough one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think what she was up there for

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Speaker 2: How much was she there willingly doing this stuff? And

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Speaker 3: That was jay Z is taken. Who would I date?

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Speaker 3: That's hard to hear.

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Speaker 2: And that's the end of the after all whole days

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Speaker 2: And I when I saw it, I was rattled by it.

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Speaker 2: And you start to consider or rethink, we give a

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Speaker 1: because she liked the end result, even if the means

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Speaker 1: by which she had to get those results were horrific

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Speaker 1: and heinous. She chose to be in that world and

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Speaker 1: to be in that position because she liked the way

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Speaker 1: she was living.

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Speaker 2: That is what the jury now is considering. And they

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Speaker 2: now only need one juror to buy into that enough

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Speaker 2: and the next thing, you know, this is not the

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Speaker 2: guilty verdict that the prosecution is after. And again this

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Speaker 2: been said in jest. Was she just making a little joke,

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Speaker 2: But it didn't seem to come off that way, and

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Speaker 2: it certainly is not why they asked the question at

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Speaker 2: the end of her testimony. That testimony is going to continue.

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Speaker 2: She's done. But she was the only one on the

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Speaker 2: stand yesterday actually went a little past there usual three

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Speaker 2: o'clock break time in the afternoon. But today four more

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Speaker 2: witnesses are expected, and I guess what is it. Two

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Speaker 2: of them would have might have some more personal stories about.

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Speaker 1: Day, right, So one we'll hear from a Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: Police Department officer and a Los Angeles Fire Department areson investigator.

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Speaker 1: But the ones that I think we were just referencing

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Speaker 1: that will be perhaps the most interesting will be Ditty's stylist,

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Speaker 1: Deontay Nash. We're going to hear from the stylist, and

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Speaker 1: then this might be a big one. The government did

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Speaker 1: say it wanted to call another alleged victim of Ditty's.

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Speaker 1: This one will be anonymous. They're giving her the moniker

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Speaker 1: Mia as she takes the stand. Miya is a pseudonym.

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Speaker 1: We all we know is that she's one of Combe's

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Speaker 1: former employees and that she wants and wishes to remain anonymous.

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Speaker 1: We were told some of these women would be coming forward,

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Speaker 1: but they would not be revealing their identities. So it

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Speaker 1: will be very interesting to hear what Mia has to

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Speaker 1: say on the stand today.

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Speaker 2: And we will continue to update you here, folks. For now,

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Speaker 2: I'm TJ. Holmes along with Amy Robot giving you your

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Speaker 2: daily Diddy Trial update. Thanks for tuning in, We will

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Speaker 2: check in with you again soon