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Speaker 1: Kind of unique. He was kind of a dual role

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Speaker 1: player for you, Steve, Steve a blimp. We're not even

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Speaker 1: in the stragedyre of normalcy. Welcome to One Bills Live.

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker in studio with you today. I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: pleased to be joined not by Chris Brown today but

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Speaker 1: or how's it going over there? Thanks for coming on

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows who are faithful listeners to One Bills Live. No,

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Speaker 1: that this is like the dark time of year, right,

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Speaker 1: like everybody's golf and everybody's on bike. Even Sean mcdermot's

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on. Have you been doing anything other

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna take the show off the air tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: So if you're looking for us tomorrow, we won't be

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Speaker 1: now I'm kind of really interested in what the next

426
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Speaker 1: one's gonna be. And I heard a thing too where

427
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,879
Speaker 1: they had the red tails, you know. It was the

428
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:32,199
Speaker 1: African American I don't know, what do you call it?

429
00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,000
Speaker 1: The pilots, Yeah, notter what what do you call a group?

430
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,760
Speaker 1: It's not a platoon? Is a flight? A squadron? That's it.

431
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,160
Speaker 1: It was a it was a World War Two squadron

432
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,360
Speaker 1: of of African American pilots, right, so that's a kind

433
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,240
Speaker 1: of But I heard also there's a guy who trademarked

434
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 1: all that stuff thinking this might happen, so we bought

435
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,159
Speaker 1: all these obvious nicknames. And so now he's holding the

436
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,360
Speaker 1: Washington football team over the coals to extort them for

437
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 1: the name it really probably should be, which would be

438
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,720
Speaker 1: you know, the Red Tails or whatever, you know, the

439
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 1: pilots of the World War two pilots. So so he's

440
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 1: extorting the NFL, and hey, good for him. I mean,

441
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 1: he was smart enough to trademark that stuff. Okay, but man,

442
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,200
Speaker 1: oh man, so this is where you sit. What if

443
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 1: you know, the focus group or this this this uh

444
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,159
Speaker 1: consultant service that the Washington football team hired. They got

445
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,879
Speaker 1: a company that's gonna help them focus group and find

446
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 1: a name, and you know and all that, you know,

447
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 1: all the yadda yadda YadA they gotta do. You know,

448
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 1: they're gonna come up with one of those obvious names,

449
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 1: right because there's a bunch of it's really hard to

450
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 1: come up with a name, I mean, because you're either

451
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 1: gonna end up with one of the one hundred or

452
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 1: so that every high school or college in America for years. Sure,

453
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 1: or you're gonna have to go way off the board

454
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Speaker 1: and risk being you know, branded as as a terrible idea.

455
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Speaker 1: I will say that the most recent nickname the Seattle

456
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 1: NHL team the Crack and I love it. Yeah, I

457
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 1: don't think everybody loves it, but I'm a big fan

458
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 1: of that. I thought it was a very cool name. Um,

459
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 1: but it's it's not you know, as I kind of

460
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 1: joked about how how long it's taken them to figure

461
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 1: it out. It certainly isn't isn't easy because there you

462
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 1: have to worry about. That's your brand. I mean, that's

463
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 1: who you are for, you know, perpetuity. You know. So

464
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 1: it is something that I certainly respect taking their time on.

465
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 1: But again, the other part of it two, you know,

466
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: going back to what you said about um, in terms

467
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: of you know, not realize how important it was or

468
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 1: how relevant the offense was right, you know, to me,

469
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,679
Speaker 1: having an offensive nickname, it's just the dumb hill to

470
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Speaker 1: die on. I mean, is there anything less relevant in

471
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Speaker 1: the grand scheme and then a sports nickname? You know,

472
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 1: don't there's nobody even oline that, you know, yeah, and

473
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm like everybody else, I was like, what, no, come on,

474
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 1: And then I started thinking about it's like, you know,

475
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: why do I can't even if you know, it's not

476
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: even my team, I'm like, whatever, you know, those guys

477
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: cave my head in and a super Bowl, Yeah, change

478
00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 1: their name. I don't ki right, So that is you're right,

479
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 1: that's a good way to put it. That is an

480
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: idiotic hill to die on. Um, just embrace the new

481
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: one and move on. You know. I know it's I

482
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: know it's bummer, and i know it's it's gonna change things,

483
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: but hey, use it as an excuse to get more gear,

484
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: better gear, cooler gear, and move on and and just

485
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: say hey, I've been I've been a fan of this

486
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: team since they were an insult. Let's go, you know, so,

487
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 1: you know, embrace it and move on. I'm I'm with you, though,

488
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 1: that's a it's a dumb hill to die on, do it,

489
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: you know if it if it's not gonna cost you

490
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Speaker 1: any fans, I mean they can say I'll never I

491
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: think it's fun for us fans too, because it's kind

492
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 1: of like getting to know, you know, Like I said

493
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. I put all the logos

494
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: on my wall, right. They were kind of like you

495
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: know the friends that you got along with every Sunday

496
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: in the fall. Well, this is gonna be like meet

497
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: a new friend to a degree. I know we're getting

498
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: really deep on football nicknames. But it's gonna be fun

499
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Speaker 1: to see what they do. And it's true because and

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Speaker 1: I get it, you're gonna get there. You're always gonna

501
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: get some complaints from from wherever. And you know you're

502
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: gonna get some complaints one about they changing it in

503
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: the first place too. They're gonna I like the Washington

504
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: football team. I like, that's our name, you know, don't

505
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: change it from this one. They like this one, and

506
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: you know, on and on on. So you're never gonna

507
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: please everybody, but I know this. I mean, if the

508
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: team wins, everything's everything's good. You know, it's all good,

509
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: and you need to buy you need to buy some

510
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 1: time with a new logo and have some success under

511
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: it and also give it a history as well. There's

512
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting too because you know this, there's

513
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: always these I don't know what do you call it

514
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: secondary logos or you know that you always have and

515
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: there's the primary colors which will be set. It's burgundy

516
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: and gold, and was it yellow a little bit too?

517
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Speaker 1: And in the accent color, I think Burgundian goal. I

518
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: think you had a right dr Burgundy and goal. And

519
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: so what it's gonna look like, how it's gonna be.

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00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's cool. I mean, I'm all about it.

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Speaker 1: But they're gonna do it, I guess for the next

522
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: last time in twenty twenty coming up after this season.

523
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: Right after this season, they'll unveil the new logo and

524
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: you know what's going to happen the first time you

525
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: see It's gonna be on their number one draft pick

526
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,959
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. Right, he'll come out, bust it out.

527
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 1: It'll be a big deal, right, I mean that's aside

528
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: from the social media leaks. Yeah, well, they'll put it

529
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 1: all to me. Uniform reveals in March and April are fun,

530
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: but it doesn't really look how it looks until you

531
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Speaker 1: see it on a TV screen on a Sunday afternoon. Yeah,

532
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: to me, that's the only thing that matters. You can

533
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: put all the smoke out and bring your stars out

534
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: and have them walk around and sit on thrones, and

535
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: you know, be in if you're in a southern place,

536
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: in a nice outside when when I see it on

537
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: a football field across from another team on Sunday, that's

538
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: how it looks. That's the only thing that matters. And

539
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: keep in mind, you know you talked about like how

540
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna look a certain way. Well, this year, the

541
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Speaker 1: NFL has authorized for the first time, alternate helmets. You know,

542
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: the idea being you can have the actual original throwback

543
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: for a team that changed their color helmet between whatever

544
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: fifty years agoing Now, that to me opened the door.

545
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: Not quite for the college football situation where Oregon wears

546
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: a different uniform literally every game. But you're gonna see

547
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: more NFL teams now with alternate helmets, maybe third helmets.

548
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 1: The Pandora's box has been open. I don't know if

549
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of that. I know it's gonna be

550
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: a slow change in the NFL, because you know, in

551
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: a big league, a big behema thing like this, everything

552
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: is a slow change. But you know we're gonna get

553
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: to the point now where you know you're gonna see

554
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: the Bills maybe have you know, the red helmets back

555
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: and the white helmets and you know, even maybe have

556
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: a blue helmet just for fun. This is coming down

557
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: the road out this year, but at some point in

558
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: our lifetimes for sure. Yeah, they're gonna start monetizing it.

559
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,239
Speaker 1: The more things they the more different ways they wear

560
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,479
Speaker 1: it on the field, there more people will buy it

561
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: and have to have every version, and it's just one

562
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: more way for them to cash in on. And I'm

563
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: okay with that because you don't have to buy that

564
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: stuff to watch the team play. And I'm and I'm

565
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 1: always it was like a new look when you see him,

566
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: and it also kind of gives you a hallmark. And

567
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: remember that game when they were an all you know,

568
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: their color rush and YadA, YadA yad all that stuff,

569
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: and I'm all, yeah, as long as it's limited, I'm okay.

570
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: One of the things I like, I like being able

571
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: to look at a game and no, instantly this is

572
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: team against Team B. Yeah, you know, and there are

573
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: some college games now where you know, I'll look at

574
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: a game and I'll think team he is actually wearing

575
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: Teamb's uniform and not. No, So as long as it's limited,

576
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm cool with it. But the whole Oregon Free for

577
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Speaker 1: all I'm not a fan. I know that the total

578
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: get off my long take, but that's where I'm at

579
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Speaker 1: with Steve Tasker Thad Brown here on One Bill's Live.

580
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: Ever're gonna come back with the ESPN ranked the national

581
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks in the National Football League. Will tell you

582
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: where Josh, you boy, um where came in. He was

583
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: number five on it. But we'll get to their others

584
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: and the four. You can almost guess the four others,

585
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: And for me, I'm okay with this, um you can.

586
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: You're splitting hairs when you talk about these guys, and

587
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: certainly there's guys with bigger pedigrees than Josh's. Right now,

588
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: I like our guy. But we'll talk about the top five,

589
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: top six, top ten quarterbacks as according to ESPN and

590
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: all their analysts what they did. When we come back,

591
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Thad Brown and One Bills Live presented by

592
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Speaker 1: Kalid to Health. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back

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00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: to One of Bills Lives. Steve task along with Thad Brown,

594
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: who is live with us over zoomed from Rochester as

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00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: we've all become used to over the last eighteen months.

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00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: So fat thanks for coming on once again. We've got this,

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00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: We've got this conversation going on as you might expect

598
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: about the Bills and their off season, and the rankings

599
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: came out. Jeremy Fowler puts together this rankings article every

600
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: off season. He talks to NFL executives, gms and such

601
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: coaches around the league as well as players around the league,

602
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: and he asks them for a group of different positions

603
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 1: to rank their top ten or fifteen guys at the position.

604
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: If it gets too difficult down like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,

605
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: they just you know, they do their top ten or twelve.

606
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: And what Fowler does and his group do as they

607
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: go back and compile all the votes they put them

608
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: together was how many top tens and that kind of thing,

609
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: and they extrapolate who the top ten are. Uh, they

610
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: did that for the quarterbacks, and we're gonna talk about

611
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: what they did with the quarterbacks. As you might imagine,

612
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: we can all go and we can all I don't

613
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: have any problem with these rankings usually particularly it's it's

614
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: kind of generally speaking, right. So they've got Josh Allen's

615
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: number five, that's where he falls. And this is also

616
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: he also makes it a specific point that I know

617
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: you'll get you can appreciate this. This is now. This

618
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: isn't like who's gonna be the best, who's gonna win

619
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: the most Super Bowls or who has won the most

620
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowls in the past. This is line up today,

621
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: who's gonna be the best guy. And it's really hard

622
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: to argue with it, because you know, you got talking

623
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: about you know, coaches and players and gms who pick

624
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: and choose and play against these guys. So, um, you know,

625
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if you did you look at can

626
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 1: you off the top of your head. We can all

627
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: count count up from number one and go through the

628
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: top five and probably be pretty close. Right, Yeah, you're

629
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: gonna get the first four guys. The four guys in

630
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: front of Josh Our, Pat Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady,

631
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson. And I think you know there are

632
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: guys in there. I mean, I think you can make

633
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: a quibble with Brady. I think you might be able

634
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: to even make a quibble with Russell Wilson in terms

635
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: of Alan being in front of those two guys. Right,

636
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: But I think most people understand, you know why why

637
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: those four are in front. But before you dive into this,

638
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question that just occurred

639
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: to me as a player in the league. You know,

640
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: because we talk about this poll as well. It's coaches

641
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: and gms and players. They must know when you were

642
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: in the league, how aware were you of how good

643
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: the falcons top running back was, or what the Colts

644
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 1: best wide receiver they were in your vision, bad example,

645
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: what the Brown's best receiver was. Yeah, it's it's a

646
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: fair question because you don't know anything about them. But

647
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: I'll say this, if they're a team you faced and

648
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: particularly this and this is where I think, and this

649
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: is what we used to do in the Pro whole balloting,

650
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: so the team gets together whatever you're gonna vote for

651
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. And like me, I'm standing here and

652
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: we're voting for AFC offensive guards and I'm a wide

653
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: receiver or slash special teams player. I'm looking I don't know.

654
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: I look over and I'm looking at guys like Ted Washington,

655
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: Fred Smerlas and you know, Pat Williams and I good, dude,

656
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: who's the best one? You know? Who do you think?

657
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: And they go, well, this is the guy right here,

658
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's my vote, right because those guys

659
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: do know. So I could tell you who the best

660
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: special teams guy was the AFC, I could tell you

661
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: who that was, and some of the who best dbs.

662
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: I can tell you that. I can tell you who

663
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: the best tight end is. You know, I couldn't tell

664
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: you who the best left tackle is. They're all pretty

665
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: good to me, So it's a fair question. Now, gms

666
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: may have a different angle because they're you know, they've

667
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: got the bird's eye. You know, they've got the you know,

668
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: the drone view of all this right where they're up

669
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: in the air and looking down at all of it.

670
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: But I think when you get down to the nitty gritties,

671
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: and and I also this when we would go into

672
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: a game plan for a team and if there were

673
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: guys on the other team, where my coaching staff said

674
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: and circled him on and said, this guy right here,

675
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: this is a good we gotta watch. This is the guy,

676
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: this is the guy for us. We gotta watch him.

677
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: This is a guy's going to give us problems. This

678
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: is a guy that we don't have an answer for

679
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: unless we do a B and C. Those guys you

680
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: know who they are, too, and that will transcend positions

681
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: as well, when coaches pull guys off the film and

682
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: they go, guys, listen, we gotta have an answer for this.

683
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: He's a load those guys get the vote as well.

684
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a fair question because you're right, you know,

685
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: what does wide out and know about a defensive tackle.

686
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: It's a fair question. And I thought to say that

687
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: Jeremy Foller didn't get you know, when he did the

688
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: dB rankings, he didn't say what the players he talked

689
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: to weren't all receivers. They might have been right, you know,

690
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: but these to me, when I look at these polls,

691
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: I almost want to see. Let me, I want to

692
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: see a ranking of GMS Pro personnel directors and advanced scouts.

693
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: That's really all I want to hear from, you know,

694
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: because everybody else, like you said, you know the position

695
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: by position specifically specifics, specifics I think would make sense.

696
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: But you know, if you're calling a wide receiver now

697
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: to talk about a defensive tackle, they don't have the

698
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: guard in the same room like you did back in

699
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: the day with the Pro Bowl voting to to make

700
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,239
Speaker 1: it legit, not to say it's not legit, but I

701
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: do want to get your your take on that, yeah,

702
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: and I and it's true, but I do I do

703
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: think there's a lot to be said for um for

704
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: guys like Jeremy trying to do this, because it does

705
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,719
Speaker 1: it does lend more credibility to this. I've always been

706
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: a big one for fan votes. I miss and I

707
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: love fans as much as anybody. But they're not the

708
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: ones getting beat up, you know, They're not the ones

709
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: that have to actually physically take somebody on. You know,

710
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: they're not trying to push a guy against his will

711
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: or tackle a guy against his will. Um. So when

712
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: you get guys who have actually done that and been

713
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: in the on the field with you know, and had

714
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: some skin in the game, it's just makes common sense

715
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: that those are more credible votes, more well informed votes

716
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: than just anybody else. So and I thought that was

717
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting too, that you know, the players,

718
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: the coaches, coaches, I think I give them a lot

719
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: of credit. I mean, those guys know what they're talking about.

720
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: Their jobs are on the line. Being able to evaluate

721
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: the other team's talent, that's a lot of what they're

722
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: able to do and have to be able to do,

723
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: not only their own talent, but also the other team's

724
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: talent and prepare for it. So those guys there, that

725
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: goes a long way for me in their opinions about

726
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: these other players as well and different. Plus they have

727
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: an understanding of other players and other positions. Is that

728
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: a player would be too specialized to have. So you're right,

729
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: You're right, you got it. You can make an argument now,

730
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: if you're gonna line up today, you gotta think sooner

731
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: or later. Tom Brady, father time is gonna come up

732
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: on him. He's at number three on this list. Right.

733
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: We've only been saying that for about ten years, right,

734
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: so I've done something that every year, right, I'm kind

735
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: of yeah, I'm kind of like I've best beaten a

736
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: dead horse, right, I mean yes, So you could make

737
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: an argument there, like if we lined up today, he wouldn't.

738
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: But then again, you could also make the arguments that

739
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: he's probably the guy that stays ready twelve months a year. Anybody,

740
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: any of these other guys if they took a month

741
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: off there behind you know what I'm saying. And I

742
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: think he understands at his age too, that's what he

743
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: has to be, you know, he has to be that

744
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: guy he's not, you know, Josh Allen or Russell Wilson,

745
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: or even maybe a Justin Herbert, a guy who has

746
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: the physical skills to potentially, you know, get away with

747
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: some things that a guy Tom Brady at forty three

748
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: years old is not gonna be able to get away

749
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: with anymore. Yeah, And I had the opportunity to play

750
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: a bunch of golf over the last couple of weeks.

751
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: I was talking to a couple of young hockey players

752
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: here in Buffalo who are NHL free agents. They're gonna

753
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: probably sign here in the late July, and we were

754
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, the the evolution of the sport

755
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: and where they're at in their careers and where I

756
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: was at and how it things changed in during the

757
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: course of my career and now I was in the

758
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: last I was really in the first generation, or one

759
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: of the early generations of pro football players who were

760
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: true from start to finish, from the beginning of their

761
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: career to the end, were professional athletes. The money got

762
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: good enough that you didn't have to sell cars or

763
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: insurance or you know, carry a ham, you know, swing

764
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: a hammer in the off season, or do whatever you did,

765
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, have another business that you had to, like

766
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: supplement your income with because the money got to a

767
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: point right before I, before I came into the league

768
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: where you could be a pro athlete where you could

769
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: train year round and do that. Only it wasn't all

770
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: seem not not just the stars, like everybody could do that.

771
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: Everybody could do that. And it changed during just before

772
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: I got in the league. The old guys when I

773
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: got into the league were the guys that like, yeah,

774
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: I used to sell cars for that guy during the

775
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: off season, or I sell it so old insurance, or

776
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: I didn't you know they had jobs and training camp

777
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: which was six weeks long back then, and had five

778
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: preseason games or something like that. They had an unbelievable

779
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: amount of preseason games, and guys would come in just

780
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: from behind their desk or whatever else there were doing.

781
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: They just get up and say I got to go

782
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: to training camp this week, and they just start getting

783
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: in shape for a football season, and they had six

784
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: weeks to do it. So that changed during my career

785
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: and I was one of the guys you know, we

786
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: ice and then it was also my era was one

787
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: where if you wanted to train and train effectively, you

788
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: did it at your either at your college or your

789
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: high school or here, I did it here at Buffalo

790
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: at the stadium. There's like a handful or two handfuls,

791
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: maybe ten or twelve of us who stayed here all

792
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: off season and trained together in the in the Bills

793
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: facility because they didn't have it. Nobody had trainers. High

794
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: Tech was even say, you know to me, you talk

795
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: about where you were training. To me, I'm thinking, yeah,

796
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: they lifted paint cans and they flipped tires. Better than that, analogy,

797
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: it was better than that. But yeah, we had and

798
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: we did have a full time guy, Rusty Jones, who

799
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: has retired since, but was a phenomenal strength conditioning coach,

800
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: phenomenal strength conditioning coach, tremendous and he stayed at the

801
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: forefront of it. So we were getting body mass index

802
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: before other teams were, We were doing core work before

803
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: other teams were doing it. We were doing you know,

804
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: all that stuff. He was out in front of it.

805
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: He was a very good, very forethinking, forward thinking coach.

806
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: So Rusty we always called laughed at Rusty because we

807
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: didn't you're not a coach, Rusty, You're a scientist. Because

808
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: we really felt like we were out in front of

809
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: all of that and so. And because of that, during

810
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: my career here in Buffalo, we saw that not only

811
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: the conditioning type of things we did, but the goal

812
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: of that conditioning was completely different. Um, you know, you

813
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: used to have guys go out and run four miles

814
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: to get ready to said, well, now you never you

815
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: never do that. Now as an NFL player, you go

816
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: out and run thirty or forty yards and you do

817
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: it at one hundred and ten percent of capacity, right,

818
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you're like busting it and then you get

819
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: you know, forty seconds arrest and you do it again.

820
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: So you train for how you play. So it instead

821
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: of doing all that stuff just like ain't getting shape,

822
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: go out and run a few miles, you know, and

823
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: lift a bit whatever. It really honed in on specific

824
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: core work and armwork and all that stuff, body mass

825
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: index and then of course nutrition began to be an

826
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: enormous part of it, and we all learned, you know,

827
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: you'll never outtrain your diet no matter how hard you work.

828
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: So all of that was transformative during my career. So

829
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: now you got these guys, Now everybody you know can

830
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: have a personal trainer, and the bills provide them. Here

831
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: if you come back and do this. They've got everybody here.

832
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: I mean, forget about the strength conditioning that's a given.

833
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: Now they've got recovery experts, massus, They've got a cryo chamber,

834
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: they got sleep pods, they got massage chairs, they got

835
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: you know, acupuncture everything. So now every player can be

836
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: like the stars of the years back when I was,

837
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, when all this stuff came to fruition. So

838
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: the end these quarterback rankings I think are starting to

839
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: reflect that because you guys like Tom Brady, Philip Rivers,

840
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, they're all playing into

841
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: their late thirties. Matt Ryan. Yeah, even the guy who's

842
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: right behind Josh Allen, Matt Stafford, is no spring Chicken.

843
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: I was surprised, you know, to see him at number six.

844
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm a big Matt Stafford fan, you know, but when

845
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: I would think of Matt Stafford, I would not think

846
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: of the sixth best quarterback in the NFL. And that'd

847
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: be fair. These remakings did not include Deshaun Watson for

848
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: obvious reasons, but regardless, you know, I was fascinated, Like

849
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Speaker 1: one through five didn't surprise me. One through five is

850
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Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes won, and the next four guys almost in

851
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Speaker 1: whatever order you want, maybe Aaron Rodgers two, and then

852
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: Brady m Wilson, Josh Allen. Right, the next group, you know,

853
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: right after Josh, it's Matt Stafford and Dak Prescott. And

854
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Speaker 1: I like both those quarterbacks, but I'm not sure off

855
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: the top of my head, I'd say top ten quarterback.

856
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I've heard a lot of

857
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: lately how great it is that the quarterback generation we're in,

858
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Speaker 1: and I think we could get there. You know, the

859
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and the guys came out this year. You know,

860
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow looks like he's got a great future ahead

861
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: of him. But but when you got Matt Stafford and

862
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is six and seven, I don't know if

863
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: this is a superb quarterback era, you know, maybe against

864
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: just me and you know my you know, my gut

865
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Speaker 1: feel reaction to guys, but you know, Matt Stafford and

866
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: me does not feel like a guy who's you know,

867
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Speaker 1: right there behind Josh Allen in terms of ability. I

868
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: know he does a lot of good things, but um,

869
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Speaker 1: you know it that was the thing that you know,

870
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Speaker 1: it surprised me on that list. It wasn't the top five,

871
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Speaker 1: it was six. Yeah. And then you've got like, like

872
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: you said, Dak Prescott, Lamar Jackson and Justin Herbert who

873
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: does spell good thing. Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow look

874
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: like they're gonna be hits. And then of course at

875
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Speaker 1: the end of it, you got a guy like Kyler Murray.

876
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Speaker 1: And I don't know, have you seen Kyler Murray in person? Um, No,

877
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: not in person yet other than I wasn't at the

878
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: road game last year. Unfortunately, I was shocked. Shot little right,

879
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: he's little, I mean little, little like like me, little

880
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: like Doug Flutie, little smaller. I wasn't gonna say it.

881
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: I thought I wasn't gonna say it's Steve. He's he's little.

882
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: Now he's thick, I mean he's got it, he's kind

883
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: of packed together and stuff. But I was shocked, shocked.

884
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: And when Baker Mayfield came out, the big thing was

885
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: did his height start with a five or a six?

886
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: Was he five foot eleven and three quarters or was

887
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: he six foot? And he was six foot dead on

888
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 1: and an eighth And that was a big deal. Kyler

889
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: Murray couldn't stand on his tiptoes and be six foot

890
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: and he's a top Like you said, like these guys

891
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: that he's a top ten quarterback. I'm not saying that's wrong.

892
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm not either. I don't think Tyler Murray the top

893
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: ten quarterback. I'll say this, it's a testament to where

894
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: coaching in the National Football League has been allowed to evolve. Certainly,

895
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of smart guys up there, a

896
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: lot of smart head coaches, and a lot of smart

897
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: offensive minds and a lot of great defensive minds as well,

898
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: and it has taken a long time for the NFL

899
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: to get out of that chromagnet stage of saying, listen,

900
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: this is our offense. We're gonna run it. And they

901
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: finally said, listen, if you're that kind of corp, we're

902
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: gonna build our team around it. We're gonna if you're

903
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, all right, we're gonna get blocking wide receivers,

904
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna get big on the offensive line. We're gonna

905
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: go two backs, and we're gonna run it, and they'll

906
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: see if they can hold up against us, and they

907
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, they turn in they turn him into an MVP.

908
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: So that kind of style of coaching that has started

909
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 1: to permeate the national football leg over the last decade

910
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: has done wonders for the ability of quarterbacks to be

911
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: and be and look different. And I think it's a

912
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: welcome change for a lot of people. Do you agree

913
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: one hundred percent? I've been fascinated. It almost feels like

914
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: the offensive scheme arms race has gone to a different level.

915
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: And this would be another question that that you would,

916
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: you know, be the best answer because you understood what

917
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, twenty five or thirty years ago.

918
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: And maybe this is the advance of you know, offensive

919
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: football becoming the driving force of football. When they took

920
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: away a lot of the rules of defensive backs having

921
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: to take their hands off receivers down the field open

922
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: things up for the passing game. Now, it feels like

923
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Speaker 1: the number of different ways that you can move the

924
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: wall down the field has you know, m become so

925
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: diverse and you know, so expanded that you know, the

926
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: new edge, you know, finding the new way to get

927
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: this open or get this quarterback in space, or you know,

928
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: find a way to put points on the board. It

929
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: feels like an arms race, something that you know, it

930
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: didn't exist even fifteen twenty years ago. If you want

931
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Speaker 1: to get out on the conversation, give us a call

932
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Speaker 1: at ADO three h five fifty or one eighty eight

933
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Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty. Steve Tasker Thad Brown here

934
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: from one on One Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Health

935
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: on Buffalo Bill's Radio. Mark Cross coming up at the

936
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: top of the hour. Welcome back to One Bill's Live.

937
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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker Thad Brown in today for Chris Brown Fad

938
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Speaker 1: from Rochester. We're gonna ye go out and play golf tomorrow. Right,

939
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: we're in the same group. You said, how did you

940
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: find that out? How'd you find that out? Um? I

941
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: got an email that had the groups on it. If

942
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: you scrolled on far enough you would have seen it.

943
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: But I got an email scrolling thing, So what what

944
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: is email? What are you talking about? Exactly that? Though

945
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: I got an email, I'd help you out, that's all.

946
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: It should be a good time, though it's so for

947
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: people don't know the LPGA Semetric Tour, it's the corn

948
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: Ferry version for the Ladies. Right, Triple A Ladies Tour

949
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: has an event in Rochester called the Daniel Downey Class

950
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: that got its name after a former golfer from here

951
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: who was a professional who passed a few years ago unfortunately,

952
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: And they've been here fifth or sixth year, and we

953
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: are in the celebrity scramble. Celebrity is more you than me,

954
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: but we're both in the tournament, so it should be

955
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: a good time. We're playing with um a pro. But

956
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: in addition, it's a school teacher and I want to say,

957
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: like a first responder or something like that, some people

958
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: who were served important roles during the pandemic. That all

959
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: those people, I think the group's wrong. But regardless, those

960
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: groups of people are gonna be able to see this

961
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: tournament all weekend for free, and we're gonna play with

962
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: a couple lot tomorrow. So there's gonna be a five

963
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: some of us going off and it's only a nine

964
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: whole match though, right, Yeah, they've been doing that at

965
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: that event they played nine. Frankly, it's great, you know,

966
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: because you get to participate and have fun without committee

967
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: your entire day to it. You know, not that I

968
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind playing older Berkley, it's fantastic, but you know,

969
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: I think it really works out well, and you trust

970
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: me to be a super time. I played in this

971
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. It didn't win, so I expect

972
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: that to change tomorrow, Steve, but looking at you, but

973
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: it'll be a fun time no matter what. Yeah, all right,

974
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: it'll be fun. All right. So so you came in.

975
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm glad you came in today, though I got it

976
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: and I got we're here doing this, you know, this

977
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: kind of hodgepodge. This schedule is it crazy schedule And

978
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: I feel bad for people who like, well mostly my

979
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,959
Speaker 1: family members who kind of look forward to this show.

980
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: So they my dead. My brother texts me, hey, are

981
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 1: you back on the show today, because I'm gonna watch.

982
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: So we're doing a Twitter poll today and the Twitter

983
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: we haven't even gotten to it yet because whatever. And

984
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: the thing is, if you want to call us, you

985
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: can at eight to three or five fifth. You're just

986
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: tweet at us at at one Bill's Live or Steve

987
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: Task or eighty nine. What's more important to a defense, elite,

988
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: secondary or dominant pass rush? And that's our Twitter poll

989
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: for today. You can jump in. We've gotten a lot

990
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: of responses for it because I guess Jay Bird tweeted

991
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: this out and I didn't ret retweet it. In a

992
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: minute because I've been that whenever I host, I just

993
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: go off the rails. Man, I can't even it's amazing.

994
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: That's your style, Steve Man. Don't don't apologize for it.

995
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: I am gotta have your way him off to it.

996
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: So that's our Twitter poll. What's more important to a defense?

997
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: I'm talking We're talking about any defense, but specifically, of course,

998
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: the one we like the Bill's defense. Seventy seven percent

999
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: of our respond to say it's a dominant pass rush,

1000
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: and twenty three percent say it's an elite secondary. I

1001
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, folks, analytics will tell you just the

1002
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: opposite of that. That's what I've heard. The analytics will

1003
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: tell you just the opposite, because a secondary forces the

1004
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: quarterback to pull the ball down and give your pass

1005
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: rush a better chance to get there. Plus, if your

1006
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: quarterback can evade a decent pass rush or an excellent

1007
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: pass rush, you still it doesn't matter. He's if he

1008
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 1: can throw on the run, which everybody can do these days,

1009
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: he negates your pass rush himself. But an elite secondary

1010
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: can cover deeper into the play and give you a

1011
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: chance to get him. So, but seventy six and a

1012
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: half percent of you think it's a dominant pass rush.

1013
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: I know this, Thad. Most people would rather watch a

1014
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: dominant pass rush on their on their team than an

1015
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: elite secondary, am I right? Yeah, nothing better than than

1016
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: having a guy that can just destroy the other team's quarterback,

1017
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: you know. I mean think about the Bills. You know,

1018
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: Bruce Smith, everybody loved watching him. I mean just you know,

1019
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: throwing rag dolland Jets quarterbacks, Dolphins quarterbacks, whatever. When Tronavius

1020
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: White does his word, most of it you don't see,

1021
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, if you gause, it's out of the screen.

1022
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: You know, and you gotta watch the our replay or

1023
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: have someone you know tell you later. Hey, I watch

1024
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: All twenty two on Tuesday. Look at this great play

1025
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: Trey Whiteman. You don't get to enjoy it as much.

1026
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: That's right, all right? So that's our Twitter poll. What's

1027
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: more important to a defense? Elite secondary or dominant pass rush?

1028
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Speaker 1: You can tweet us or call us if you like.

1029
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: At eight or three oh five fifty, we're coming back

1030
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: right after this break with Mark Cross, NFL network analyst.

1031
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: He's an NFL personnel guy for New York Giants for Philadelphia.

1032
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: He won a couple of super Bowls with the Giants,

1033
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: and he was a Bill's national scout back in OZ four.

1034
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Speaker 1: He's with the NFL Network. He's an Land analyst. Mark

1035
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: Ross coming back One Bills Live right after this at

1036
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: a Steve taster who has been all over the fields.

1037
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Speaker 1: Kind of unique. He was kind of a dual role

1038
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: player for you, Steve, Steve a blimp. We're not even

1039
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: in the strated beer of normalcy. Welcome back to One

1040
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: Bill's Lives, Steve Tasker along with Bad Brown, please to

1041
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: be joined right now on the line by Mark Cross,

1042
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: former front office executive, an NFL personnel guy for the

1043
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: New York Giants for the Philadelphia Eagles. He won us

1044
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: a couple of Super Bowls with the Giants. He was

1045
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: a Bills national scout way back in two thousand and four.

1046
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Speaker 1: What Mark, thanks for coming on with us. How are

1047
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: you doing in the deep dark recesses of this offseason

1048
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: that we're in, Just making it through, trying to enjoy

1049
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: it before you get back going full of swing again. Yeah,

1050
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: what do you remember about the OH four Bills and

1051
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: your time here in Buffalo? Man at OH four year

1052
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Speaker 1: that was the year we had the last game of

1053
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Speaker 1: the year. Bledsoe was our quarterback. We just had to

1054
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Speaker 1: play Pittsburgh. They were playing half of their teams, they'd

1055
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Speaker 1: already clinched, and we just had to win that game

1056
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Speaker 1: and get in the playoffs. That was one of the

1057
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: most heartbreaking losses I had been a part of, and

1058
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: we just completely did not play well that game. And

1059
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: then the next couple of years and they had JP

1060
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: Losman was in and out. I was there when they

1061
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: drafted JP. But just a lot of uh flux, a

1062
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: state of flux there with the coaching situation. In GM situations,

1063
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: what do you do well? I probably go ahead, Steve,

1064
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: you got it. I was gonna say I was just

1065
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: gonna transition into this quarterback thing, and you got It's

1066
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: it's We've seen it in the NBA, where players just

1067
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 1: decide that they're gonna decide where they play. We're starting

1068
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: to see a little bit of it in the NFL

1069
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: with this Aaron Rodgers situation, with you know, Russell Wilson

1070
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: making a few waves in the beginning of this offseason,

1071
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: with a guy like even Shaun Watson, who before everything

1072
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: else hit, you know hit, he was disgruntled with his

1073
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: team and said I'm not gonna play for you anymore. Certainly,

1074
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: it's a trend. You can see it coming down the

1075
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: road where the elite star players at certain positions may

1076
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: be able to dictate their future. What do you think

1077
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna turn into, first of all, in the general sense,

1078
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: and how do you think this is going to turn

1079
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: out with Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay? Yeah, that's interesting

1080
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: where you know, the NBA players just have so much

1081
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: more power and control just because of the setup and

1082
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: the rules, and the NFL still kind of dictates. Even

1083
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: though you heard a lot of noise from the Shawn

1084
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: Watson and a lot of noise from Aaron Rodgers. So far,

1085
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: there really hasn't been that action. It hasn't really been

1086
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: done where a player, a star quarterback has kind of

1087
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: forced their way out of a situation. And so this

1088
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers situation will be a good test case. You know,

1089
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: people talk about Brady, but he didn't force himself out

1090
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: of anywhere. He just they didn't want him anymore and

1091
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: he just kind of said, hey, this is where I

1092
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 1: want to go. So he really isn't a good litmus

1093
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: test for this. So it really hasn't happened in the

1094
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: NFL yet because of the way the rules are set

1095
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: up and the players still don't have much power besides

1096
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: the media. And we'll see what happens. But I do

1097
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: think ultimately Aaron Rodgers will be back in Green Bay.

1098
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: You know, he'll play out this string as close as

1099
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: possible to training camp and then show up. But I

1100
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,959
Speaker 1: think it'll be a while before you see this sort

1101
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: of NBA NFL crossover with the sway and the power

1102
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: about where they go and where they play. Mark. But

1103
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: do you think it is possible though? I mean, you

1104
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 1: talk about it's not being a thing that's happened now,

1105
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, But is this something that you know in

1106
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: the NFL could happen, Because you're right, the rules in

1107
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: the setup is much different than the NBA. It's not

1108
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: a fifty three man roster. You know, the salary cap

1109
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: is different. It is it not even possible. Maybe we

1110
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: get to a point where a guy like an Aaron

1111
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: Rodgers could, like you said, force their way out of time. Yeah,

1112
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 1: and it'll be those very, very very few exceptions. It'll

1113
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: just be born or two guys. So it's not like

1114
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: the NBA, where you know you need a superstar. There's

1115
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: there's a bunch, there's there's a lot more guys that

1116
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: kind of have this way to do that. If you're

1117
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: not Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady or one of the

1118
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: elite five people and you try to do that with

1119
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: the team, they'll say all right, goodbye. You know, So

1120
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: it's not I think we won't see it for a

1121
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: long time. And you know, kind of all the young

1122
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: stars now that you're looking at coming out your guy there,

1123
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, and it's just a different

1124
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 1: feeling environment where the teams try to do everything possible

1125
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: to create an environment for their star quarterbacks to survive

1126
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: and to thrive and for them to be comfortable. The

1127
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: Houston situation, we're just completely out of whack went on

1128
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: there with the Shawn Watson where every step of the

1129
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: way you're just saying, what is going on here? This

1130
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: makes no sense. So I don't think in that aspect

1131
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: again you'll see another organization that doesn't do everything possible

1132
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: to make sure that their star quarterback is happy. Well.

1133
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: And having said that, we're in an unprecedented era as well.

1134
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: In the last two or three offseas, we've seen more

1135
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: quarterbacks move around than ever before in the history of

1136
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: the league. I mean, you never used to see this

1137
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: stuff happening. Now you've got six or seven really respected quarterbacks.

1138
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: Maybe not Super Bowl winners or whatever, but the guys, well,

1139
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: Tom Brady certainly heads the list. Philip Rivers is one

1140
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: that falls into that category. Carson Wentz could be construed

1141
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: as falling into that category, certainly, Matt Stafford, Jared Goff,

1142
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: I mean, you go down the list. Andy Dalton has

1143
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: moved around a couple of times after having a you know,

1144
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: a stretch of playoff runs in Cincinnati. Why does that?

1145
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: Why have things changed to that nature where quarterbacks now

1146
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: are moving around at such a pace where you've never

1147
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: seen that before. Yeah, I think each one of those

1148
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 1: situations is totally different. When you look at each individual case,

1149
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: they're not all the same. And you know, Philip Rivers,

1150
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: he got old and the Chargers said, hey, we need

1151
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 1: to get younger and go That's I think the major

1152
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 1: part where teams nowadays aren't holding onto their quarterbacks and

1153
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: realizing this guy cannot get it done. We need to

1154
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 1: move on, We need to get better because the GM's

1155
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: job is on the line a lot more now than

1156
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: in the past, a coach knows, hey, if I don't

1157
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: get it done, I may be going out of here.

1158
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 1: And you specifically the cases like a Jared Golf Carson

1159
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: Wentz where hey first and second picked in the draft,

1160
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: huge contracts, but those both of those organizations said these

1161
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: guys are not good enough. But we're also given a

1162
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 1: leeway to pick their successors. So each individual case is different,

1163
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: but I think the majority of it is unless you've

1164
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: got an elite guy, one of those top five or

1165
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: six players, those teams are locking onto those guys. And

1166
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: if you don't have that, and you don't say this

1167
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,959
Speaker 1: guy can carry us to super Bowls, I think teams

1168
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: are more willing now with the blessing of the ownership,

1169
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: to say we've got to move on and get better. Mark,

1170
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: I'm want to ask about one of the polls you

1171
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: participated in. It was which fan base deserves a Super

1172
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: Bowl the most? And you know you're brought up the

1173
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: angst of the two thousand and four finale when you

1174
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: were in Buffalo, you picked the bills at the fan

1175
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: base that most deserve it. Were you thinking about two

1176
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: thousand and four when you made that Calleague man, I

1177
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: got to make it up to these guys and get

1178
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: them a you know, hope they get a super Bowl

1179
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: this time. Yeah, it was just, you know, the reasons

1180
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: I put there was the four straight Super Bowls in

1181
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: a row that the Bills lost, which I don't think

1182
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 1: will ever happen again, and just being a part of

1183
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: the organization and seeing, you know, I've been with the

1184
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: Giants and the Eagles, and those fan bases and I

1185
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: say this all the time, are different. Whereas big cities

1186
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: a lot of other things going on. Where's Buffalo and

1187
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: not my time, there's like the Bills. This is it, man.

1188
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: The Bills are are Buffalo. And it's a different sort

1189
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: of mentality and love for the Bills with the fan

1190
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: base there than I thought with other organizations that I

1191
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: worked for. And now that you got so close again

1192
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 1: last year and you got a superstar quarterback, it's, man,

1193
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: this is the time. This is the right time and

1194
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: right place. And I think, you know, Cleveland will be

1195
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: in that mix as well. But I think the Bills

1196
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: have just gone through more being so close. You know,

1197
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: it's almost harder to be so close and lose as

1198
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: opposed to, hey, we're just completely out of it. We

1199
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: have no chance. So once again knocking on the doorstep,

1200
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: and you know, I wish the Bills fans all the best. Yeah.

1201
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: You also, they asked all of you guys at NFL

1202
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: Network to come up with a team or a head

1203
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: coach that Mike win his first Super Bowl, and you,

1204
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: once again, you know, it's Sean mcdermot's coach. And certainly

1205
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: if you're picking a guy who's never won one and

1206
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: Mike gwin his first one, certainly guys like Sean McDermott

1207
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: and Kevin Stefanski and some of it. There's only a

1208
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: it's a short list of guys that are on that doorstep. Yeah.

1209
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: When you looked at that list and we put it

1210
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: together and say, all right, which team has a chance?

1211
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: You can't just look at the you know, there was

1212
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: a fifteen or so coaches, but okay, there's the Jets

1213
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: head coaching. Wunch of those guys like they have no

1214
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: chance at all. And there was only two or three

1215
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: teams that you're really looking at and saying, all right,

1216
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: they have a legitimate shot to win the Super Bowl.

1217
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: And with the team that the Bills have and the

1218
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: experience from last year, I think that'll bode well going

1219
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: into this year, whereas okay, we're up, we're upcoming even

1220
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: the beginning of last year with Josh Allen, is he

1221
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: still the guy and him just emerging as one of

1222
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: the top players in the game. I think the Bills

1223
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: will be right there in the mix once again to

1224
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: make it to the super Bowl and the team again

1225
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: help will have to play a big part of it.

1226
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's development once again'll play a part of it,

1227
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: but be right there in the mix. Mark. You know,

1228
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: we don't think of this time of year is a

1229
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: roster creation part or a roster adjustment part of the season.

1230
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: But there are still free agents available and there are

1231
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: guys who always get signed. You know, between now and

1232
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: the start of camp or even during camp, is there

1233
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: a player or maybe a player team match that you

1234
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: want to see or would be interested to see happen

1235
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: sometime between now and you know, either the end of

1236
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 1: July or early August that you think would be either

1237
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: interesting and make a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah, you

1238
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: know the al ways these guys are hanging out with

1239
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: the best situation and they all say that, but only

1240
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: some of those guys are going to be able to

1241
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: create their own again the player's power, Like I've got

1242
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: this list of four teams like, okay, great, well we

1243
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: don't want you. So the one thing, the one I

1244
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: think makes the most sense is Richard Sherman. He's out

1245
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: there gone to Dallas to go with Dan Quinn, who

1246
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: was a decordinator when they won the Super Bowl. They

1247
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: had Trevon Diggs last year's, you know, second round pick.

1248
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: This year they drafted the guy from Kentucky, Kelvin Joseph

1249
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: in the second round, So two young corners. But I

1250
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: think having a vet in there to teach those guys

1251
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: dan Quinn's system, I think he's still got a little

1252
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: game left, not the Richard Sherman of old. It just

1253
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense because those young guys coaches

1254
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: are great, but they learned so much from veterans. Back

1255
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: in the two thousand and seven Super Bowl with the Giants,

1256
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: we had young corners and Aaron Ross and Corey Webster,

1257
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: but we also had Sam Madison and RW Reporters as

1258
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: our veteran dudes, and they learned so much from having

1259
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: those guys around. And I think Sherman to the Cowboys

1260
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Yeah, and you talk about

1261
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: these guys who like Richard Sherman and he's out there

1262
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: and I think, Richie, you get the feeling of Richard

1263
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: Sherman is kind of sitting waiting for a spot that

1264
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: he can kind of pick because of his age, certainly,

1265
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: but because of the cash he brings as well. There's

1266
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: a number of teams that would sign him and maybe

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Speaker 1: not for an enormous number, but certainly probably making it

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Speaker 1: worth it for the role he would play on any

1269
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: given team. Um, you talk about guys who just don't

1270
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: take that personally. He knows where he's at. Deshaun Watson,

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01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: we spoke about it got personal in Houston, Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: You gotta get the feeling that that's personal. Um, do

1273
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: you think that you look around the league like you

1274
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: got like Steph Gilmour, who's sitting in it in New

1275
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: England as a former Defensive Player of the Year. He's

1276
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,919
Speaker 1: gonna make seven million, which from you know, for most

1277
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: Americans that's that they'd show up for work for that.

1278
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,919
Speaker 1: But for him, is that gonna get personal for him

1279
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: in New England? And how do you think that'll that'll

1280
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: come out? You know, it seemed like it started to

1281
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: get there and he sent that tweet out a week

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01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: or two ago, but them deleted it, so someone got

1283
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: ahold of them, or he came to his sensence to

1284
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: delete that tweet that he put um, you know, listing

1285
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: the top corners. But you know, that's that's what you

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01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: always try to avoid when you were an organization. You've

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01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: got a player who wants to get paid, and you

1288
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: got to keep it professional. You can't let it get

1289
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: in the media. Times have change, obviously with instantly you

1290
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: can get things out there, but that's what you try

1291
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: to do. Look, look, make the player feel welcome, and look,

1292
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,439
Speaker 1: look we're doing the best we can to get this done.

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Speaker 1: If they really are trying to get it done. You know,

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01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: Stefan Gilmour is not the same. We talk about guys

1295
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: getting old and not the same anymore. You know, they

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01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: may be sitting up there saying he's not worth it.

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01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: So it's all about the communication that they're having with

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Speaker 1: his agent. You know, I'm sure they're working diligently on

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01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: what's going on. Hopefully his agent is letting him be

1300
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: aware of this and telling him the truth and honesty

1301
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: about what's going on. So there's always that fine line

1302
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: of the communication between the team, the agent, the player

1303
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: has to be clear about what exactly is going on

1304
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: so it doesn't get contentious and it stays professional. Mark

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01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: we talked earlier in the show about a report that

1306
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: the Bills maybe possibly would consider releasing Cole Beasley and

1307
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: or Jerry Hughes at the end of camp with the

1308
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: idea of being a save some CATA money going forward.

1309
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't think that's going to happen,

1310
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: but you can see the logic there that it would

1311
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: help this team, you know, stay cap solving and be

1312
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: able to make moves down the road. But it would

1313
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: come at the expense of kind of making a run

1314
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: with experienced veterans, you know this season. Now you're a

1315
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: guy who's worked for Super Bowl champions. Do you get

1316
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: to a point, whether it's February, March or even this

1317
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: time of year where you have to have the conversation

1318
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: between you know, do we make the run this year,

1319
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: do we go all in and try and you know,

1320
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: grab that Super Bowl chance when we have it, or

1321
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, do we try and keep ourselves flexible and

1322
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: able to you know, make moves down the road. And

1323
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: I want to couch this in that part of you know,

1324
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:39,919
Speaker 1: to me into anybody else who's who's watching the team,

1325
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: we just think winning or not winning. But for you guys,

1326
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: it's about jobs. And from my point of view, you know,

1327
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: being not going for the super Bowl and keeping the team,

1328
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: keeping your team, having ability and make moves going forward

1329
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: would be better for you staying employee. How much does

1330
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: that also figure it in the discussion? Yeah, that's you

1331
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: mentioned a job security. People don't look at that and say,

1332
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: all right, if we're pushing this money down in the

1333
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: line or we're doing these things, all right, is the

1334
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: ownership giving you the blessing to say you've got five

1335
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: years to get this done or is it Hey, if

1336
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: you guys don't win in two years, you're gone. So

1337
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: that's the hard part about making decisions is can you

1338
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 1: sustain it? Everyone thinks, okay, like just using the build

1339
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: situation now, like everything looks great for you guys for

1340
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: the next ten years, but it could fall apart quickly.

1341
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: That's how the NFL is that you just don't know. Now.

1342
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: You try to put your team together and build it

1343
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: so that you have sustained success. But that all starts

1344
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: with having a franchise quarterback. But in the Bill situation,

1345
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're sitting there talking with ownership to make

1346
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: sure that Being and Sean have the longevity to say, Okay,

1347
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: we need to make these hard decisions. Are these veterans

1348
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: worth the money? Are they really getting us to where

1349
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: we need to go. So there's a lot of layers

1350
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: of the conversation of do you have the stability as

1351
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: a stat are the players really making a difference or

1352
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: are they just names. So you have to have all

1353
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: those hard discussions and be honest with your team evaluation

1354
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: and not just hold on to guys for those reasons. So,

1355
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of layers to it. But I

1356
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: think in the Bill situation, I'm sure they have the

1357
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: flexibility to say, with the synergy that's shown and Brandon

1358
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: had it, Okay, we're gonna be here, We're gonna be stable.

1359
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: Let's make the best decisions for the long term because

1360
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: we think this is set up for sustained success, not

1361
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: just we have to take this shot right now to

1362
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: win it. It's the time of year. We're talking to

1363
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: Mark Cross, NFL Network analyst with Steve Tasker fed Brown

1364
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: on One Bill's Life. It's the season now at the

1365
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: time of year where it's all about expectations for these teams,

1366
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: and you know, you look around the league and they're

1367
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: certainly like we've talked about the Bills, the Browns, these

1368
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: teams on the press and the Rams getting back to

1369
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: that point with Matt Stafford. You know, there's a ton

1370
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: of conversation about how far each of these teams is

1371
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: perceived to be able to go. Look at the Washington

1372
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: football team with Ryan Fitzpatrick, and we all love I mean,

1373
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: there isn't a person in the league that doesn't love

1374
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: the guy. He's beloved like other player maybe perhaps league

1375
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: wide in the history of the league. I mean, it's unbelievable.

1376
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: He's gonna go to Washington. They're gonna give it a

1377
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: go with him with really for the first time in

1378
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: a long time, I don't know who's behind him, or

1379
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: really don't think anybody's behind him that's gonna threaten him.

1380
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: Ron Rivere is there. Certainly he's got some chops as

1381
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: a head coach. What are your expectations for that team

1382
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: and how do you think it turns out for them?

1383
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: And you know, what is their long term thing there?

1384
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: I mean, what are you thinking about the football team. Yeah,

1385
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: they're the most since that signing. They're the most perplexing

1386
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: team to me. And I've talked about them a ton

1387
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,919
Speaker 1: and Ryan Fitzpatrick a ton on the NFL Network where

1388
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: they I think they're gonna have the best defense in

1389
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: the league next year. But why in the world logically

1390
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: would you sit down as his staff and say, this guy,

1391
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: a thirty eight year old guy's been in the NFL

1392
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: sixteen seasons on his nine team has never had a

1393
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: playoff win, is thirty wins under five hundred. Why would

1394
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: you logically sit there and say he's going to be

1395
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: the guy to get us, to get us where we

1396
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: need to go. And behind him is just Tyler Heinekee,

1397
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: the guy that played in the very last two games

1398
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: when you know it was a nice little story he

1399
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: was sitting, you know, taking grad studies or something like that.

1400
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: He's the guy behind him and Kyle Allen from last year,

1401
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: so no one to challenge him. So this would be

1402
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: unprecedented in the history of the NFL with a guy

1403
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: that's been on nineteen to say he's gonna win the

1404
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowl for us, if that's what their expectations are.

1405
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: And again, as you as you mentioned Steve. It's because

1406
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: of his personality and because everyone loves him and all

1407
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: this stuff that gets him all these jobs. But if

1408
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: you talk to any other team that he's been a

1409
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: part of, and you just do your research and you

1410
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: watch the film about Ryan Fitzpatrick. I mean, you guys

1411
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: had him in Buffalo. Everybody, you know, we beat him.

1412
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: And talking about those seven he played, was playing for

1413
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: a team in those seven oh leven we're beating him.

1414
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: So they're perplexing to me, man, I think they just

1415
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: have so much talent on the defensive side, a lot

1416
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: of offensive weapons, young guys and Gibson and McClaren that

1417
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: it was just it was his mind bogging. It's me

1418
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: that they think what their expectation is. They won sevent

1419
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: to nine last year the nfcas I think it'll be

1420
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: better with the particularly the Cowboys with that coming back.

1421
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: So I'm just you know, but if you don't learn

1422
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: from history, the next year, fault, you know, kind of

1423
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: mark out. You're talking about maybe learning from history A

1424
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: little bit. Totally different topic though. The Azi Knewson GM

1425
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: Summit was something the NFL stage last month and in

1426
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: an effort to promote diversity among front office hires. How

1427
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: much how effective do you think that was and maybe

1428
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: if you talk about what went on inside of it

1429
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: to what the goals were and what things were accomplished. Yeah,

1430
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: So basically it's the it was on the coaching side

1431
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: and then also the GM side where number one, it

1432
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: was a networking event for all the minority candidates to

1433
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: be together and talk and meet. There was ownership on there.

1434
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: There was head coaches on there. Bruce Arians was on

1435
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: there and John Mara, so exposure, so networking, exposure and

1436
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 1: then just an exchange of ideas between all these you know,

1437
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,439
Speaker 1: good coaches where it's not when when you hear about

1438
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: developing the talent pool the pipeline from an art it's

1439
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: not like there's nobody there. They're there. They're there. It's

1440
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: just bringing more exposure and awareness to it because what

1441
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: was happening was ownership. Ownership makes the hires like, well,

1442
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: we don't know these guys are out there and we're

1443
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: not sure. We weren't familiar with them. So the League office,

1444
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: spearheaded by Trey Vincent, made it a point the last

1445
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 1: few years with Roger Goodell's blessing and say okay, well,

1446
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: we're going to start these these symposiums to bring the

1447
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: awareness to show you that these guys are here too,

1448
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: that there is a viable pipeline and talent pool of

1449
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: candidates for coordinator head coaching GM positions, that they're there.

1450
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 1: So I think all the participants involved really got a

1451
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: lot out of it, just as far as learning of

1452
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,879
Speaker 1: the exposure and just the exchange of ideas and networking

1453
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: with the other UH coaches in GM. So, you know,

1454
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: the NFL has really done a tremendous job of putting

1455
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 1: that together and I hopefully that time will tell you.

1456
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 1: Ask if it's going to make a difference. We'll see

1457
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: in the next few years of hiring what transpires. Yeah,

1458
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: and it will be a lot of fun to watch.

1459
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,440
Speaker 1: And because most fans don't know who the best candidates

1460
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 1: are at any position off the field and even on

1461
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: the field, they have to be told who's the best

1462
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 1: draft pick that kind of thing. So it's interesting and

1463
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: it's fun to know that there's a circle of guys

1464
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: who who haven't their finger on that pulse, of guys

1465
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: who are really prepared to do a good job. It'll

1466
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: be fun to see who those candidates are. I got

1467
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: one last thing that this came to my This was

1468
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: from one of your cohorts there at NFL Network, Cynthia Freeland,

1469
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: and there was I didn't know this. There was there

1470
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: eight guys in the NFL who were drafted number one

1471
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: overall who played quarterback. The latest of which is is,

1472
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 1: of course, Trevor Lawrence. There's Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray,

1473
01:09:54,240 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Jamis Winston, Cam Newton, and Matthew Stafford.

1474
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: Those are the only eight guys who played quarterback who

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Speaker 1: are left in the NFL who are drafted number one overall.

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Speaker 1: And of those guys, if you can remember them, who's

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Speaker 1: gonna win the most games this year? Because you think

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Speaker 1: about it, you know, Trevor Lawrence, well, you know, you

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01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: get the first pick of the draft because you're not

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Speaker 1: very good. Joe Burrows Cincinnati, No, I don't think so,

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray Arizona. They need to take a step. Baker

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Speaker 1: Mayfield might be the guy, but I think a lot

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01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: of people think he's probably not the reason. And then

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Speaker 1: they're the others, Jared Goff, Winston Newton, and Stafford. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go with Baker. You know, this was actually we

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Speaker 1: had a deal on the website a month ago similar question.

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna go a Baker just because I think

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01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: they do have you know, I did a ranking. I

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01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: think they've got the strongest overall team this as far

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Speaker 1: as top to bottom talent in the league. And on

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01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: that list, Baker was the fifth best quarterback on that

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01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: list of Bills who I had, I think number four

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01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: or five, but he was the fifth best quarterback. But

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01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: when you look at all their position groups, I mean,

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01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: they've got almost multiple Pro Bowl guys, you know, Nick

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01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: Chubb and Hunting the backfield, OBJ coming back with Jarvis,

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01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 1: their offensive line probably the best in the league. On defense,

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, now signing Clowney, you know, the signing of

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Speaker 1: John Johnson, and the secondary Denzel Award, first round picked

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Speaker 1: Greg Newson. They just have so much talent top to bottom.

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01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: I think the Browns, you know, winning eleven games last year,

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01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: taking the ten eleven games last year that they're winning,

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01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: crushing the Steelers in the playoffs and then going toe

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01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: to toe with Casey. I know that that Mahomes was

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01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: out there, but just that confidence similar to the Bills

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01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: making that step in the playoff runs. The experience gives

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01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 1: you that next year, the confidence that we're not just

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01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: the same old Browns, We're not the same old Bills.

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01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: We're going to go into these games expecting to win,

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01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: not hoping to win. And I think Cleveland's going to

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01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: be right there in the mix with the Bills to

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01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: challenge Casey right there at the top. So I like

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01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: Baker to have the most wins for sure. Mark Cross,

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Speaker 1: NFL Network Analysts, Thanks for coming on. We appreciate it

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Speaker 1: with and hope to have you on again soon. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: the rest of the off season. My pleasure anytime. Steve Tasker,

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Speaker 1: Bad Brown coming back. One more One Bills Live. Right

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Speaker 1: after this, We're gonna have a little bit of lunch.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about training camp countdown and a lot

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Speaker 1: of other stuff going on around the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: This is One Bills Live presented by Klyda Health on

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to One Bill's Live. Steve

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Speaker 1: Tasker along with Thad Brown here on a Monday, as

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Speaker 1: we plow through this offseason. We have a Twitter poll out.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna reset in a minute, and the answer the

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Speaker 1: question is, what's more important to your team to a

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Speaker 1: better defense, an elite secondary or a secondary or a

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Speaker 1: dominant pass rush. We've got a caller on the line

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Speaker 1: from cheek Towaga, Bob, Bob from cheek Towaga. You're on

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Speaker 1: the line, Steve Tasker, along with Thad Brown. What's on

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01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: your mind? I'm going this way. I'm going with the

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01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 1: secondary because I look at what the Bills said to

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01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,440
Speaker 1: last year. Not a great bass rush, but the secondary

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Speaker 1: was pretty daring good. I'm not saying I don't like

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Speaker 1: the pass rust, but I think that secondary means everything. Everything. Certainly, certainly, Bob,

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Speaker 1: I would agree with you. There's certainly a symbiotic relationship there.

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Speaker 1: If you've got a great if you've got a great secondary,

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01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 1: it helps your pass rush. You've got a great pass rush,

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01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 1: it helps your secondary and all that. But which is

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Speaker 1: the more important thing to go? And I've heard some

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Speaker 1: We'll get to the tweet sheet in a minute too,

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Speaker 1: But certainly, if you've got an elite one or the other,

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01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: which one do you think can win you more games?

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01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 1: I think the secondary because I think they'll keep it's

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01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 1: the pass rush is there, but today the way they

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01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: released the ball so fast, I'm just saying anyways, and

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01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: I gotta go with the secondary. I think you stopped

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01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: the tight end. I mean Kansas City, you know that

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01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 1: was a different thing. But like you've said up before too,

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01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: secondary place. I'm just look ted here better on safety wise,

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01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: and we got some great safeties. I'm still going, Steve

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01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: with secondary. It's more importance. I agree, I appreciate it,

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Speaker 1: And thanks for the call us nice And what do

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Speaker 1: you think that? I mean, you haven't we haven't really

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01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: discussed about what you and I think about this. This

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Speaker 1: Twitter poll is an elite secondary or Pastor's certainly a

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01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: pass rush is a is a crowd pleaser. But I think,

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Speaker 1: I think and I think, I don't know. I just

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01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 1: think that the secondary is probably one of those things

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01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: that you don't think about until you don't have one.

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Speaker 1: I would have gone past rusher off the top of

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Speaker 1: my head, and I still will probably lean that way.

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01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: I just think it's easier to stop a pass by

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01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: forcing the quarterback to do something they don't want to do,

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Speaker 1: as opposed to hoping that you have three or four

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01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 1: or five guys that can all do what they want

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01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: to do. Because you can talk about elite secondary it's

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Speaker 1: very hard to have an elite secondary. You can have

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01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: an elite corner, you can have elite safety, you won't

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Speaker 1: even have one of each. But to have four guys

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Speaker 1: that can be that dominant to be able to stop

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01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 1: a pass play, I think it is really hard to do,

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01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: especially you know the way the rules are that up

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01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: to allow receivers to essentially, you know, run free five

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01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 1: yards down in the field. Now, I will say that

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01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,719
Speaker 1: quarterbacks have gotten to the point and offensive have gotten

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01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: to the point where they're so good at getting the

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01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: ball out fast that it doesn't matter how good your

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01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 1: pass rush is. Theyre's not gonna have enough time to

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Speaker 1: get there. I mean you, unless there's no one standing

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01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: in front of you and there's some blown blocking assignment,

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01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: you're not going to have the opportunity to get that

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01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: pass rush home. So, not that you know a pass

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01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 1: rush is less important, but because of the way the

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01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,560
Speaker 1: offensive passing game happens, you need someone. You need a

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Speaker 1: secondary that at least can force a quarterback not to

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01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: go exactly where they want to go a second and

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01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: a half after they get the ball to allow your

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01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: pass rush even the opportunity to get home. But I

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Speaker 1: just don't think you go back to what happened in

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. It was an elite pass rush to me,

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Speaker 1: that dictated more kans City's problems on offense against Tampa

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01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,600
Speaker 1: than vice versa. And even you know, to me that

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01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 1: what the Chiefs did the building the AC Championship game,

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01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 1: it was about getting to Josh Allen more that having

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01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 1: coverage down the field, although both were really good in

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01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: that particular. Yeah, it's it's like I said, it's hard

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01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 1: to have one without the other, or you know, prioritize,

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01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: but you're if you've got an elite one or the other,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not about it. Yeah, it might be

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01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: harder to get four great defensive backs to play in

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01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: the secondary because you need all four guys playing well

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01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 1: the pass rush. You can have two and have an

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01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: elite pass rush. All you need to do is have

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01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: two other guys that soak up blockers or at least

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01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 1: they got to block them, and nobody else to double

1607
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 1: team the guys that they have. So it may be

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01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: easier in my opinion, to get to assemble an elite

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01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 1: pass rush because you need like two guys to do that,

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01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: one from each side or from an interior got like

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01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: an Ericon Donald and one other guy a secondary. You

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01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 1: need four. So while you're saying yeah, it's hard, it

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01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 1: is harder to get an elite secondary, but if you've

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01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 1: got one, it's more important than your pass rush, even

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01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: if you got Aaron Donald up front. Maybe, so I

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01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 1: think it may be more better. I'd say more better,

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01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,839
Speaker 1: but better to get an elite pass an elite secondary

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01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 1: because you gotta have all four guys or five guys

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01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: now in today's NFL you gott have three slot corner,

1620
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: two outside corners, and two safeties. You got to have

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01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: more guys playing in an elite level together than you

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01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: do to have an elite pass rush. So I think

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01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: since it's easier to get one, it must It's not

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01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: as important as getting guys you know that many more

1625
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: guys who can play an elite level together, right the

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01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: here's the thing, an elite pass rush. The Rams had

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Speaker 1: one last year and Josh Allen beat him. In fact,

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01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 1: had like four touchdowns against him, and they couldn't catch him.

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01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: You know, they couldn't get him. They got him a

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01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: couple of times, but not enough to swing that game. Um,

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01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 1: you look at other and certainly in the last couple

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01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: of Super Bowls and some Super Bowls of recent memory

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01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 1: that you look at. You know, the Seattle Seahawks had

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01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: an unbelievable pass rush in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen or

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01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 1: was it thirteen fourteen, I don't know, the first pass

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01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: rush the first Super Bowl they go to. They crush

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01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 1: maybe the best offense of this generation in Peyton Manning

1638
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: and the Denver Broncos with Wes Welker and the rest

1639
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 1: of those guys, they were killing people off it. They

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01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 1: were like no other offense we'd ever seen in that

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01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 1: year with Peyton Manning in Denver, they were like no

1642
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 1: other offense. And that pass rush crushed them in the

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01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, crushed maybe the best. And for me, I'm

1644
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: still saying it, it's the best defensive performance of any

1645
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: team in the National Football League in the Super Bowl ever.

1646
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 1: It's better than the eighty five Bears, better than better

1647
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 1: than the Pittsburgh Steelers in the Super Bowls, even though

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01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 1: they won those games. It's better than any defensive performance ever.

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01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: Because you look back at the history, were the rankings

1650
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Speaker 1: of the offenses that those other defenses faced. They were

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01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:49,600
Speaker 1: middle of the pack. The eighty five Bears placed a

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Speaker 1: number sixteen offense in the New England Patriots with Grogan

1653
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 1: and those Grogan or maybe it was in Grogan somebody. Yeah,

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01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 1: it was like a number sixteen in the NFL. All

1655
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 1: that offense. The Seahawks face the best offense of all

1656
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: time in two thousand and nine, wasn't fourteen or twelve

1657
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 1: something like that? When they won their Super Bowl they

1658
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 1: that was the best offensive all time and they beat

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01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: him forty eight to eight. So and that was with

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01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 1: a pass rush. Last year the Chiefs with Pat Mahomes,

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01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: it was the pass rush. So I get how that

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01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 1: looks at the championship level at this sport where that

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01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: pass rush makes all the difference. But I still think

1664
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 1: with mobile quarterbacks, with the offensive timing throws in the

1665
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 1: West Coast offense and the ability to throw timing routes

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01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 1: on rhythm ball out of the quarterback's hands with two

1667
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,759
Speaker 1: options within a second and a half of the snap,

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01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: I just think it's hard because and because it's harder

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01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: to assemble. I think I'd rather have the elite secondary.

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01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 1: The two things I'll say to that. Number one, I

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01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: think having the elite second dairy is almost a pipe dream,

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01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,879
Speaker 1: you know, because you're not gonna find that many elite players.

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01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 1: Now it's you know, you could look at it and say,

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01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking I need to find four elite defensive backs.

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01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: I just need to have an elite secondary, which is

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01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 1: the group working together, and that's fine. The other thing

1677
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 1: I'll say, too, is if you have zero pass rush,

1678
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: I don't care how good your secondary is, that team

1679
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 1: is getting picked apart. If your secondary is terrible but

1680
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 1: your pass rush is great, you can still win a

1681
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 1: lot of games that way because the ball is never

1682
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: getting out. So I would still I think the dominant

1683
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 1: pass rush is safer because I don't really care my

1684
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: back end talent is as opposed that my secondary is great.

1685
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 1: I still think a terrible pass rush is allowing passes

1686
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: to get completed. And I think, like we both said,

1687
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 1: it's a heck of a lot more not only easier,

1688
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: but practical and reasonable to think you can build a

1689
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,919
Speaker 1: dominant pass rush, because I'll argue Miles Garrett is a

1690
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 1: dominant pass rush. I don't even care who else is

1691
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 1: around him. That's good enough by itself. You just can't

1692
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 1: do that, even tradevious, as good as he is, you

1693
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 1: don't have that result with a secondary when you just

1694
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: have that one elite guy where you can do it

1695
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 1: in defensive one. And here's what I don't know. Here's

1696
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 1: my take, and I get if you're gonna have an

1697
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,679
Speaker 1: elite secondary, you've got this elite secondary, your pass rush

1698
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 1: isn't gonna be zero. And here's the thing too, how

1699
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 1: many times do we see teams manufacture a pass rush.

1700
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: It's just easier to come up with because you really

1701
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: don't have to have the talent. You just got to

1702
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 1: have the coaching staff at calls the right blitz at

1703
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: the right time when they don't expect it, so you

1704
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 1: can have you can manufacture a pass rush in some way,

1705
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 1: shape or form. And with an elite secondary, you can

1706
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 1: send six guys. You don't have to rush just four.

1707
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 1: With an elite secondary, you can rush six guys, seven

1708
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 1: guys and catch him off guard and get a pass rush.

1709
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 1: With an elite secondary, you can do that. It just

1710
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 1: makes everything better. You're an elite pass rush. You're right,

1711
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:57,839
Speaker 1: there's too many ways to beat an elite pass rush.

1712
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 1: And for a second, if you got an elite secondary

1713
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 1: that in the throwing league, I don't know where you

1714
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: go and what are you gonna do because I think

1715
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 1: there's always to me, there's always places to go. I mean,

1716
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 1: there's there's always there's always guys who eventually come open.

1717
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't care how good your defensive backs are.

1718
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 1: At some point that guy is gonna come open, you know.

1719
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: And the other thing I think of two when I

1720
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: interview defensive backs, they talk to me all the time about,

1721
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, being able to forget that terrible play, you know,

1722
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: having the short memory, being able to move on. I

1723
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 1: never had that conversation with defensive ends. You know. It's

1724
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 1: just to me, a defensive back, to play that position,

1725
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:39,600
Speaker 1: you need to come to grips with the idea that

1726
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna get beat, probably more than once in a game,

1727
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 1: no matter how good you are. Whereas a defensive lineman,

1728
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 1: you know that I never have that Wow, I just

1729
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 1: got embarrassed by that offensive tackle, you know. And maybe

1730
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 1: that's to the point of, you know, if you're a

1731
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, if you have one sack in a game,

1732
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: that's seventeen sacks in the year. That's a stupendence year,

1733
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, so you really want you're expected to fill

1734
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 1: It's like a batting average. You're you know exactly you're

1735
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: expected to fail. And I see that too, and I

1736
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 1: get it, but I still think, you know, you go

1737
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: back if if a dB gets beat, the quarterback still

1738
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 1: has to see it and still has to be able

1739
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 1: to throw it. Now, certainly at some point there has

1740
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 1: to be some sort of pass rush. I mean, it's

1741
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 1: not the guy's not dropping back and just standing back

1742
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: there waiting, So either has to move off the spot

1743
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 1: or whatever. And I think maybe another and of course

1744
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: this you can chase down this rabbit hole all you want.

1745
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: Now what happens? Would you rather have an elite offensive line? Right,

1746
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: so you don't have you know, your pass rush, whatever

1747
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: it is, is negated, and whatever running game you want

1748
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 1: is always automatically there. So you know, there's all of that.

1749
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: It's a rabbit hole as to which position group is

1750
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: the most important. But I'm saying this, if if you're

1751
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 1: giving me something, and the other part of the and

1752
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 1: the other team and the other part of the equation

1753
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,799
Speaker 1: is middle of the road. Whenever you have anything that's elite,

1754
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna help you win game. It's gonna help you

1755
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 1: win games. Your pass rush, you're gonna help me. Although

1756
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 1: two years ago the Kansas City Chiefs led the league

1757
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 1: in led the league in pass rush. They had most

1758
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 1: more sacks than anybody else in the league, and they

1759
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: had a secondary that was horrible. And now they did

1760
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: win a lot of games, but their defense was ranked

1761
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 1: thirty two, you know, and they had the best pass

1762
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 1: rush in the league. They gave up a ton of

1763
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 1: yards a ton of yards. Um, I don't know that

1764
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: you do that if you have an elite secondary. You

1765
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 1: know so. And I know it's not about rankings, is

1766
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 1: about wins and losses. But two years ago the Chiefs

1767
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 1: were rankings is not nothing. You know that that matters.

1768
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: They had had the best pass rush and the worst secondary,

1769
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 1: and they were thirty two in the league. I don't

1770
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 1: know if it's flipped, if you flip those I don't

1771
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 1: know if it's if it's that way. And and you know,

1772
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 1: to your point about being able to invent a pass rush,

1773
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 1: I was just reading a good article about what they've

1774
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 1: done in Baltimore with um creating a pass rush with blitzing,

1775
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:01,679
Speaker 1: and it went to the point of, you know, what

1776
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 1: they like to do is dictate an offensive protection or

1777
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 1: protection that if you put, you know, if you put

1778
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 1: enough guys in line of scrimmage or or you know,

1779
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 1: show a certain type of blitz. You can say, well,

1780
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 1: then I know that the offensive line has to react

1781
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 1: with this. And if I know what the offensive line

1782
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:19,680
Speaker 1: is going to do, I don't care how good my

1783
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: guys are. You know, I'm always going to have a

1784
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 1: big advantage. And that's a lot of the reason why

1785
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 1: Baltimore has been, you know, very very good at what

1786
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: they've done. Now, you know, having a guy like Matthew

1787
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 1: Juden helps, but it is to your point, you know,

1788
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 1: there are ways to come up with pass rushes where

1789
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: you just now, there are ways to cover teams too,

1790
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 1: But the heck a lot easier to invent a pass

1791
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 1: rush with a type of blitz than it is to,

1792
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 1: you know, hope to cover a guy by scheming it up.

1793
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: Fat Brown, Steve Tasker one Bill's Liver're going to come

1794
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 1: back after the break. A lot of stuff going on.

1795
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 1: The NBA Playoffs are on. Milwaukee Bucks are in it,

1796
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,679
Speaker 1: which means in Milwaukee, a lot of Green Bay Packers

1797
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 1: are in the house. David Bactieri made another appearance courtside

1798
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 1: at the Bucks Suns finals game, and it was something

1799
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 1: to see stay with a Steve Task or Thad Brown

1800
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: and One Bills Live. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome

1801
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: back to One Bills Live. Steve Task along with Bad

1802
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 1: Brown here with you till yeah the three o'clock another

1803
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 1: hour or so. This just in the NBA Finals are

1804
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 1: going on that the Milwaukee Bucks and the Phoenix Suns

1805
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: are playing in the finals. I think they've they're three

1806
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 1: games deep and Sons are up to one. Right. So

1807
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: last night though, it was game three, and it was

1808
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 1: the first one that was in Milwaukee. And I don't

1809
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 1: know if a couple of years ago you had this

1810
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:38,560
Speaker 1: scene on the sidelines. David baktr he's left tackle for

1811
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. He's chugged this beer, right, and

1812
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 1: look at this Guy's got a buck Tri Bucks jersey on.

1813
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 1: And this guy chugs a beer and he points at

1814
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: bok Tri. It's like, I all right. So bok Tirai

1815
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 1: goes down between his seat, picks up his beer, stands

1816
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 1: up put they put him on the JumboTron. Boom, down

1817
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: goes the Bruce Key. He did this hello, and then

1818
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 1: he pointed up and it used to be it was

1819
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,600
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers up in the stands and all, this is

1820
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 1: a reprise of that a couple of years later. Then

1821
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 1: he takes his hair out of the ponytail and shakes

1822
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 1: it like a lion's maid and drinks a second one.

1823
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 1: So he slams a second beer. Yeah, let's go. Crowd's

1824
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,639
Speaker 1: going crazy, they're warming up. This is great. He's talking.

1825
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 1: Then Baktar's dad comes out of the stands. He's got

1826
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 1: a bok Tri bucksters in the dad slams a beer.

1827
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you that kind of fires me up.

1828
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 1: Father and son there on the bu the sidelines, slamming

1829
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:39,640
Speaker 1: beers on the big that's great, right, sure, it's awesome, fantastic.

1830
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: I like the third guy too, the instigator, you know,

1831
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 1: I mean, does that even happen if some dude we're

1832
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 1: in a random baktiari Bucks jersey and it was a

1833
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: bad Bucks jersey, by the way, which tells you where

1834
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 1: the lore of Baktri slamming beers against this guy? It

1835
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 1: had to is the guy confederate? Is it like this

1836
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 1: is all set up? I wouldn't listen. We've been the

1837
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: Bills have a lot of people in the creative, you know,

1838
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 1: and they got a lot of the say hey, here's

1839
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. And Nay, even if it wasn't

1840
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: set up with box TR's knowledge, somebody us said, I'll

1841
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 1: bet you if we're a boy down here in the

1842
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:16,600
Speaker 1: box yard Jersey slams her, we can get him to

1843
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 1: do it again. Right. That's where I'm kind of leaning

1844
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 1: towards there does not need to be much planning to

1845
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 1: get this to happen. This is a thing that's very

1846
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 1: This is a match that's very easily to light. You know,

1847
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:31,640
Speaker 1: you don't have to get box Tr, you know, motivated

1848
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 1: all that much. Just kind of point to him, slam

1849
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:36,640
Speaker 1: a beer and you're good. Give the dad credit. I mean,

1850
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,679
Speaker 1: you know, those of us who are that far removed

1851
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: from our college days are probably not ready to slam

1852
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: a pint of beer on demand. And boy, he knocked

1853
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 1: it down like a pro get I'll tell you. And

1854
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 1: this is not I was watching that and thinking about

1855
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 1: Dave box Tire standing there and having his dad do that.

1856
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: It kind of brings tears to my eyes about having

1857
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 1: your old man show up for you and come through. Right.

1858
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 1: That's kind of absolutely. I don't know. Maybe those guys

1859
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 1: do it like every weekend, where what do I know, right,

1860
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 1: it's just another day at the office for the box tr.

1861
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 1: You can tell it seemed like the dad was struggling

1862
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: a little bit. There's a couple of long balls. Yeah,

1863
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 1: that was like the box Tier knockdown two like they

1864
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,679
Speaker 1: were shotgluns, right, you know, and the dad was fighting.

1865
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:20,640
Speaker 1: You can tell that was an everage. So let's go

1866
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 1: to the video, tam right, So BOXI as I he

1867
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 1: sees the guy. Oh, the guy stands up. He's got

1868
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 1: a box TR number sixty nine bucks basketball jersey on.

1869
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 1: Of course box Tr is a Green Bay packer, So

1870
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 1: box Jr. Lads, he stands up. He's got his hair

1871
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 1: like in a man bun down low on the back

1872
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 1: of his neck. He slams the first beer. Okay, he

1873
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 1: gets himself going. Then he pulls it good. He sits

1874
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 1: back down, pulls the rubber band off the bun and

1875
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 1: shakes it loose, right, which is pretty awesome. Slams the

1876
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:54,680
Speaker 1: second beer and so while and they were too full. Yeah,

1877
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 1: and they were on the ready to go. They were

1878
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 1: like nothing. They were like now. Then his dad comes

1879
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 1: down and his dad, like he said, his dad was

1880
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 1: two thirds gone. His one third drank already, so he

1881
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 1: just slams like the last two thirds of it. Look

1882
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 1: at the old man coming through. That was awesome. That

1883
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 1: was awesome. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree

1884
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 1: in many So here's another thing. So I'm during the break,

1885
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 1: this last break, I'm out, and they on one of

1886
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 1: the others channels. They've got the Tampa Bay Lightning Championship

1887
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 1: boat parade on. Right. Are they throwing around her? Now?

1888
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 1: They didn't, They did not. I saw a guy holding it.

1889
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 1: He's got on the bow of the boat. He's holding

1890
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: it up like the in the classic Stanley Cup post.

1891
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 1: But they've got and it was laughing too. They've got

1892
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 1: the studio show for the champions boat parade in Tampa

1893
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 1: for the Lightning, Right, they just won the NHL Stanley Cup.

1894
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 1: So think about it. This is the same town that

1895
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 1: just had the boat parade for the Bucks. Right, How

1896
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:55,680
Speaker 1: what shape would any of us be in if the

1897
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 1: Bills win the Super Bowl and the Saves win the

1898
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 1: Stanley Cup in the same year. I can't imagine the Lightning.

1899
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 1: The Lightningers won the Stanley Cup the year before, right,

1900
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 1: But the year before is like nine months ago, you know,

1901
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 1: So they've done three of these right in less than

1902
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,919
Speaker 1: three to your days. I mean, would would any buildings

1903
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 1: be left standing in Buffalo that happened for a championship parades?

1904
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 1: And in that short amount of time. Well, I asked

1905
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 1: Jay Harris, I said, would we be doing a studio

1906
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:28,759
Speaker 1: show for a parade for the Bills or or Saves

1907
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:31,720
Speaker 1: if they had a you know, a dual championship kind

1908
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 1: of thing going, and would we have a studio head. Yeah,

1909
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:35,560
Speaker 1: you'd have a student. You'd be you know, we'd be

1910
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 1: here doing this, you know, a live stream of the thing,

1911
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, I would be in no shape.

1912
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 1: I would be I would be David Baktiari's dad, like

1913
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 1: two minutes after he slammed that beer. That's where I

1914
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:50,680
Speaker 1: would be for like a month. You're not gonna be

1915
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be in the studio. You're gonna be

1916
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 1: out there at the parade, like you said, participating like that.

1917
01:31:57,479 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 1: That's what the show would be. It'd be out there

1918
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: and then what we do. You'd have you do an hour,

1919
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 1: then Brownie would do the second hour, and then whoever

1920
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 1: is left standing would do the third hour. That probably

1921
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 1: would be the show. Right, Yeah, we'd have Maddie come

1922
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 1: in and do it. You'd have to do it. You'd

1923
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 1: have to do it by zoom from Rochester, and I'd

1924
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: be everybody be alive. There'd be like it'd be like

1925
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 1: Super Bowl week there, we'd have every everybody would have

1926
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 1: their spot in downtown overlooking the you know, the parade.

1927
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 1: But that I would be an absolutely no shape to

1928
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 1: be on the air on the day that the Bills

1929
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I would be even you know what, I'd

1930
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 1: be even in worse shape if it was a Sabers

1931
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 1: Championship because I wouldn't be working. I wouldn't be working. Yeah,

1932
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 1: I would be totally, totally embarrassed. I would think the

1933
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 1: Bills parade would be a little reserved just because it's

1934
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 1: February and people would be butttled up in seventeen coats.

1935
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 1: Whereas the parade now all right, I mean, look, we're

1936
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 1: talking about relative levels of reserved here. You know, the

1937
01:32:56,920 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 1: thing would be off the change no matter what it is. Yeah, yeah,

1938
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 1: you're right. The Bills thing would be, it'd be cold,

1939
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: it'd be it'd be depending on the weather a little bit.

1940
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 1: But man, oh man, how about the Sabers because then here,

1941
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, what would happen in our town. I don't

1942
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 1: know if this happened in Tampa Bay. Maybe it did.

1943
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 1: I haven't looked, but you know, the Bills would show

1944
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:17,839
Speaker 1: out in force to be there for the Sabers parade,

1945
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 1: So it would be the Bills would be off the

1946
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 1: clock and they would just it would be ugly. It

1947
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 1: would be so bad. I'm trying to think of the

1948
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 1: time of that that the normal Stanley Cup would finish.

1949
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 1: Like what if the Bills were still in mini camp. Yeah,

1950
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 1: if it was like the week after when guys clear,

1951
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 1: than not so much because that's that's football vacation time

1952
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 1: and these guys got to have their you know, I'm

1953
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:40,720
Speaker 1: sure they'd want to be there, a lot of them.

1954
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 1: They'd make it if they know it's gonna happen, If

1955
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 1: they knew it was gonna happen, because they'd all kind

1956
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 1: of hang around the town because they could all get tickets, right,

1957
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:50,439
Speaker 1: they go to Kim and Teary and get tickets. So

1958
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 1: then yeah, right, So they'd all be in town, the

1959
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: coaching staff, the players, it would be, and McDermott would

1960
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 1: use as a team building thing. Oh my gosh, it

1961
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 1: would be. They would get out there. They'd be getting

1962
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:02,639
Speaker 1: out of a mini camp day to go to the parade.

1963
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: I guess if it was if the time he worked

1964
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 1: out one hundred percent that we're not practicing today, guys,

1965
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:09,600
Speaker 1: we're going to the parade. Live it up, Live it up.

1966
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 1: Is that the three key words? And that would be

1967
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:14,080
Speaker 1: and I'm I'd be right there with him? Would I

1968
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 1: would be totally? I'd have to find what I would

1969
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:20,599
Speaker 1: do is I'd, you know, some member my family would

1970
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 1: be assigned to Grandpa to look after him, and I

1971
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 1: would Grandpa being me right, so we keep grandping on

1972
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 1: Tom Brady videos right where someone family is carrying Steve.

1973
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 1: Somebody's got somebody's got Steve today. Who's gonna all take

1974
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:38,679
Speaker 1: him from two to four? But from four to seven

1975
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 1: somebody else gotta take it. I would they would have

1976
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 1: to do it in shifts. I haven't had this this

1977
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 1: thorough discussion of what the parade would look like, and

1978
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:49,680
Speaker 1: frankly I probably should have by now. But now that

1979
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:51,720
Speaker 1: I've had it, I'm not gonna cover the prede. I'm

1980
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:53,759
Speaker 1: just gonna cover what happens with you during the parade.

1981
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 1: Yeah you can mike me up. Yeah, you know he

1982
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 1: Mike miked up with my That'd be the only time

1983
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 1: my career has ever miked up. I get miked up

1984
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 1: for the parade for the hockey team. You were never

1985
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 1: miked up once. Come on, I mean, I don't think

1986
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, I know the special team or all that stuff.

1987
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 1: You want to play down the humility, you know that,

1988
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 1: but you were still Steve leeping tasker. I would think

1989
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:14,640
Speaker 1: it would I would have wanted to hear that and

1990
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 1: miked up at least once. They wouldn't get enough footage. Man. Well,

1991
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,639
Speaker 1: actually that's probably not true because I'm on the sidelines

1992
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 1: with those guys having candid conversations. Yeah, I mean a

1993
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 1: lot of time on the side, you know, bat bam

1994
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 1: and I kick off and stuff like that, and then yeah,

1995
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 1: the bs and on the sideline. I think that would

1996
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 1: have been you know, I've been better than than something.

1997
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 1: It's interesting Smith, Yeah, you talk about the emotion of

1998
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: it because you go from and I'll just confess this,

1999
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 1: when you're lined up for the opening kickoff, you spend

2000
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 1: a lot of time in prayer, like because you know

2001
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna be jumping into a tree grinder in about

2002
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds, right, So you're like going, hey, just keep

2003
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:53,640
Speaker 1: everybody safe. Let's play our best to keep take care

2004
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 1: of us, right, and then you run down there and

2005
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 1: then it's just the other end of the spectrum. It's

2006
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 1: anger and mayhem and you know, all the stuff that

2007
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 1: goes the language that goes with that at the other

2008
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:05,400
Speaker 1: end of the play the same play, right, it would

2009
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 1: be Yeah, I don't know if it would be listenable,

2010
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 1: but either on either end of it, but it's it's

2011
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 1: you would get the entire spectrum for sure, for sure,

2012
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:18,639
Speaker 1: because it it was I remember that because there were times,

2013
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 1: certainly even in even in my prime, when you felt

2014
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:25,720
Speaker 1: like you were bulletproof and you couldn't wait for the

2015
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:27,800
Speaker 1: ball to be kicked off. You still kind of knew,

2016
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 1: you know, don't you kinda have to feel that way. Yeah,

2017
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 1: don't you gotta have to feel that way even step

2018
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 1: on the field of that that play. Yeah, you do.

2019
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, you just set it all aside,

2020
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, you know, I'm now I'm

2021
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 1: gonna do this is gonna be good, let's go, you know,

2022
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 1: you know you put that you just kind of set

2023
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 1: the other the danger of it aside. So I don't

2024
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:52,880
Speaker 1: know that but I'm telling you the championship parade, I

2025
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 1: do not sign me up for the studio show. I'm

2026
01:36:55,360 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 1: gonna be busy right right. If there's a for the

2027
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 1: hockey team, for the football team, for whatever, if there's

2028
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 1: a championship parade here in Buffalo, for one of the mate,

2029
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, Bill Sabers, I just do not count on

2030
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 1: me working it, because I'm gonna be I'll sub for

2031
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:13,680
Speaker 1: Stave that there I'm in. I'm gonna put in for

2032
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 1: vacation just in case, just it happens. So all right,

2033
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Thad Brown coming back top of the Air.

2034
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna go back and look at and exactly what

2035
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. I can't remember what we're gonna do.

2036
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 1: At the top of the Air. We got a Twitter poll. Oh,

2037
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 1: we got a camp countdown, like top three players that

2038
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 1: might have their breakout season, top three players that may

2039
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:32,720
Speaker 1: have a career year. A lot of other stuff that's

2040
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 1: going on in the camp countdown. Steve Tasker, that Brown

2041
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. This is one Bills Live at A

2042
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker who has been all over the fields. Kind

2043
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 1: of unique. He was kind of a dual role player

2044
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 1: for you, Steve, Steve a blimp. We're not even in

2045
01:37:55,040 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 1: the strategy here of normalcy. Welcome back to one of

2046
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 1: those lives keep task that Thad Brown here till the

2047
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 1: top of the hour. We're gonna talk in this next

2048
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,560
Speaker 1: half hour about camp countdown. You can go on the

2049
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:09,639
Speaker 1: website one of Bills live or not, one of those

2050
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 1: live Buffalo Bills dot com and you can read this

2051
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 1: stuff that Maddie and Chris Brown have been putting together,

2052
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 1: little videos. I was in a couple of them as well.

2053
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 1: And also there's some written articles about different aspects of

2054
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:22,200
Speaker 1: this camp that are coming up, training camp that are

2055
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 1: coming out a lot of expectations, obviously a lot of

2056
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:27,559
Speaker 1: new places, not new faces that are people are really

2057
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing. But one of the countdowns that

2058
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:34,639
Speaker 1: they put together was what are three guys or maybe

2059
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,519
Speaker 1: three young players who are looking or on the cusp

2060
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 1: of really exploding this year, turning into household names around

2061
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:43,639
Speaker 1: the National Football League, maybe putting together a career year

2062
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 1: or maybe their first Pro Bowl type season. Who are

2063
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 1: players three players that have a chance. Now these are

2064
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 1: all three offensive players. What are these three players that

2065
01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 1: may have a chance to emerge or explode onto the scene,

2066
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,640
Speaker 1: at least here in Buffalo for Bills fans. Maybe they

2067
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 1: won't be nationally, but players that almost will have a

2068
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 1: role carved out of nothing. And there are three guys

2069
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 1: here and that what do you think The first one

2070
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 1: is Devin Singletary. And this is obvious reasons. This is

2071
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 1: third years of running back. If you've been paying attention

2072
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 1: to what's been going on with the team and reading

2073
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 1: the website and looking at what's been going on with

2074
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:23,880
Speaker 1: the running backs, it's easy to see why Devin Singletary,

2075
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 1: both for him personally and also in the big picture,

2076
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 1: may be poised for breakout year. Yeah, he came back

2077
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 1: in much better shape. It's been talking about a lot.

2078
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:35,560
Speaker 1: He's you know, definitely looked. I think it might have

2079
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:37,439
Speaker 1: been a little overstated in some of those pictures that

2080
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 1: a guy takes right after they work out, you know,

2081
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 1: they go on Twitter and he sees that. I don't

2082
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:44,680
Speaker 1: think he's that much bigger, but he's definitely thicker and

2083
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 1: appears stronger. And you know, there was a great article

2084
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 1: that Tyler Dunn did with Devin Singletary in terms of

2085
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:53,599
Speaker 1: what he's done in the offseason. He's focused on speed training,

2086
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:56,160
Speaker 1: and his coach is convinced that, you know, Singletary is

2087
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:58,559
Speaker 1: going to be a lot more capable of breaking off

2088
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 1: those thirty forty fifty yard or if that was never

2089
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 1: his game even when he was drafted. He was drafted

2090
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:05,760
Speaker 1: to be mister elusive. I'm gonna shake three tackles and

2091
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 1: get twelve, But if by getting the open field, I'm

2092
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:09,439
Speaker 1: not gonna go for fifty. You just didn't have the

2093
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 1: breakaway speed. Well, this year, you know, Singletary thinks he's

2094
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:16,240
Speaker 1: improved there and he's gonna get chances in an offense

2095
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:19,000
Speaker 1: that's such a threat with the passing game. You know,

2096
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 1: when you're a running back, you might not get thirty touches,

2097
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 1: but the twelve or fifteen you're gonna get are probably

2098
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 1: gonna be with a really light box. So the opportunity

2099
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:28,720
Speaker 1: is certainly there for Singletary. I will say, though, you know,

2100
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 1: if you want to ask who I think a breakout

2101
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:33,440
Speaker 1: player would be, I would pick Zack Moss over Singletary

2102
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 1: primarily for two reasons. Number One, the offense last year

2103
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 1: when it came to the run game was outside his

2104
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 1: own dominant you know, which is really a one cut

2105
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 1: type scheme for a running back. You get out there,

2106
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 1: you find your whole fang, you go. That's more Zach

2107
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 1: Moss's game than it is Singletary's game. We just said

2108
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 1: Singletary's calling card is is mister elusive. He's gonna make

2109
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:57,840
Speaker 1: you miss Zack Moss's get up field. And like he said,

2110
01:40:58,120 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, force guys can make a business to say.

2111
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 1: And if the Bills continue that scheme, and I think

2112
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 1: it's a safe assumption. It's an assumption, but it's a

2113
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 1: safe assumption because you got the same line, the same

2114
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,800
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. I think Moss is better suited for it.

2115
01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 1: And then secondly, when it comes to short touchdown runs,

2116
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 1: I looked it up. Last two years, Bills have twenty

2117
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 1: runs for a touchdown inside five yards. Josh Allen has

2118
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:22,640
Speaker 1: twelve of them. Now, as much as the Bills love

2119
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 1: using the Josh Allen weapon there, I think at some

2120
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 1: point you'd want to try and reduce the amount of

2121
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 1: contact your quarterback takes. You know, I don't mind a

2122
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:32,680
Speaker 1: quarterback that runs. You know, people talk about if a

2123
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,679
Speaker 1: running quarterback is more risky when it comes to injury.

2124
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't care about that. Between the twenties even between

2125
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:41,000
Speaker 1: the tens, but inside the five, yeah, I might want

2126
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:43,320
Speaker 1: my quarterback doing that a little bit less. And again,

2127
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 1: Moss is the most likely guy to accomplish those tasks.

2128
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:48,720
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about a breakout running back. And

2129
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:50,799
Speaker 1: as much as Singletary looks a lot better, a lot stronger,

2130
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 1: and could be faster, my money star on Zach Mars. Yeah,

2131
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 1: We've been having these conversations during the offseason, and I've

2132
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 1: been trying to articulate why it is that there's a

2133
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:03,120
Speaker 1: little bit of a of a glowing season for most

2134
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 1: players in their third year. They come out and after

2135
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:08,360
Speaker 1: their first two years in the league, their third year

2136
01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:12,680
Speaker 1: seems to be this season where so many things come

2137
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 1: together for them and they kind of blossom into whatever

2138
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:17,600
Speaker 1: potential you saw in them early. It happened for me

2139
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 1: as a player, It happened for a ton of guy

2140
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 1: you go down the list, there's a ton of guys

2141
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 1: that their third year seems to be the year where

2142
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:27,920
Speaker 1: they became a pro and became who they were going

2143
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:29,840
Speaker 1: to be as a great player or a lesser player

2144
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 1: or whatever. And I think the reason you put like

2145
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 1: Devin's Singletary into that is because he's poised for that

2146
01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:41,800
Speaker 1: this last year. Certainly COVID can be thrown into all

2147
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 1: this as a as an issue. But singletary coming back,

2148
01:42:47,320 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 1: and here's what happens. You come in as a as

2149
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:50,760
Speaker 1: a and I'm trying. I'll try and articulate this one

2150
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 1: more time. I don't know if I can make it

2151
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:54,439
Speaker 1: clear enough so that here's why I think it is

2152
01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:57,760
Speaker 1: a real thing, this third year thing about players being

2153
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:00,240
Speaker 1: who they are. You come out as a rook in

2154
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:02,559
Speaker 1: your draft pick, or a rookie free agent or however,

2155
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:05,760
Speaker 1: you get into the league your first year and you're like,

2156
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:09,760
Speaker 1: you feel vulnerable because you don't know what they You

2157
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:11,439
Speaker 1: don't even know what they see in you to make

2158
01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 1: you a good you know, you're not even really sure

2159
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:15,960
Speaker 1: about what they want you to do. You know, and

2160
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:17,679
Speaker 1: they want me to do it I did in college.

2161
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:19,479
Speaker 1: They want me to do something different. Do I fit

2162
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 1: in here better? You really try to find your own

2163
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 1: way in your heads. You're you're just overrun with information

2164
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:29,519
Speaker 1: and questions about how you fit into the world. And

2165
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 1: your second year you kind of come back and you

2166
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:34,680
Speaker 1: try to build on what you did your first year,

2167
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:38,840
Speaker 1: but you're still now you feel more confident. But now

2168
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 1: you you're just trying to get better. You're trying to

2169
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 1: pick up the offense. You're trying to expand the role

2170
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:46,160
Speaker 1: that you had last year. You're trying to do it

2171
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:48,920
Speaker 1: becomes a little bit about you, right, and it becomes

2172
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 1: about like, Okay, I gotta do this or whatever. I'm

2173
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,200
Speaker 1: gonna do that, and this is how I'm gonna make

2174
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 1: my way. And so much of what you spend your

2175
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:57,559
Speaker 1: off season doing is finally deciding what kind of pro

2176
01:43:57,640 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 1: athlete you're going to be in the off season with

2177
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:02,599
Speaker 1: your family, with the newfound money, with a newfound fame.

2178
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:04,439
Speaker 1: How's it going to look for me as a pro

2179
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:07,439
Speaker 1: athlete in my off season and training and doing that?

2180
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:12,040
Speaker 1: Can I get my support group together so that I

2181
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:14,360
Speaker 1: can be a pro athlete. So then your third year

2182
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:18,280
Speaker 1: comes around and it sounds crazy, but you feel vulnerable again,

2183
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 1: but for the reasons you know are true. Because other

2184
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:25,200
Speaker 1: guys are gonna want to take your job. If you

2185
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 1: want to keep your job, it's about being productive and

2186
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,600
Speaker 1: being a pro knowing what you're doing, when to do

2187
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:36,559
Speaker 1: it and why, and things become very clear mentally. By

2188
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:38,880
Speaker 1: this time, your personal life has kind of ironed itself

2189
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:40,960
Speaker 1: out in the offseason. You don't have to where am

2190
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:42,600
Speaker 1: I going to live? Where's my home base? Should I

2191
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:44,320
Speaker 1: live in town here in Buffalo? Or should I go

2192
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:46,760
Speaker 1: back home? Or should I go to someplace to train?

2193
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:49,879
Speaker 1: How should I handle that? All those questions have been answered,

2194
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 1: and now it becomes about your role on your team now.

2195
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 1: And when you have clarity like that, it allows you

2196
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 1: to prepare better and then you can focus more on

2197
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 1: how to prepare to play better in the role that

2198
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:05,200
Speaker 1: you know now that you're supposed to fill. Those kind

2199
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:07,720
Speaker 1: of questions get answered, and that third year you're you're

2200
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 1: able to stand up and say, all right, this is

2201
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:12,479
Speaker 1: who I am and I'm gonna get it. That's why

2202
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:16,120
Speaker 1: it clicks for a lot of guys. Not everybody, but

2203
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:19,000
Speaker 1: a lot of guys has that have that like progressive

2204
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:20,840
Speaker 1: mindset to where by the time they get to their

2205
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:23,400
Speaker 1: third season, it's like, Okay, I got my feet under me,

2206
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:26,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run. That's where I think a guy like

2207
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:30,800
Speaker 1: Zach Devin Singletary could have kind of a breakout. And

2208
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:32,560
Speaker 1: it's exactly the same thing for the other guy on

2209
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:34,479
Speaker 1: one of the other guys on this list, and Dawson

2210
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 1: Knox so many fits and starts to last year's offseason

2211
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 1: and now this year he got a chance to be

2212
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:44,360
Speaker 1: invited to the tight end university there with Kittle and

2213
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 1: and and Kelsey and those guys down in Nashville. It's

2214
01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:52,679
Speaker 1: right in his hometowns where it was. I think that's right. Anyway,

2215
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:55,120
Speaker 1: Dawson Knox was in the middle of that. I think

2216
01:45:55,160 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 1: he feels he's you know, he had a tough start

2217
01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:00,599
Speaker 1: to the season last year, but during stre just the season,

2218
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 1: he was their red zone target. I think he's in

2219
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 1: a position with Devin's Singletary to really have a solid

2220
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:11,040
Speaker 1: grasp on who and what the Bills want him to be,

2221
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 1: and he has a plan on how to get there.

2222
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,920
Speaker 1: So those two guys, Devin Singletary Dawston Knox, I think

2223
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:21,000
Speaker 1: a real good candidates to spread their wings and show

2224
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:24,560
Speaker 1: people exactly what they're doing. The biggest question I have

2225
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:26,920
Speaker 1: with Dawston Knox is just opportunity, you know, And when

2226
01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:29,320
Speaker 1: it comes to this passing game, you know, Stefan da

2227
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:31,760
Speaker 1: gets the first target, and Colbizi gets the second, and

2228
01:46:31,880 --> 01:46:33,720
Speaker 1: maybe Emmanuel Sanders gets the third. You know, it's just

2229
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:36,360
Speaker 1: a matter of are there enough throwers left or Knox

2230
01:46:36,439 --> 01:46:39,240
Speaker 1: to have a breakout, you know, and I think the

2231
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 1: potential is there and everything you said is right. And

2232
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 1: let me ask you, Steve, when it comes to the

2233
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:45,920
Speaker 1: progression of what you talked about, there is this a

2234
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 1: fair analogy to say. Year one is trying to just

2235
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:51,479
Speaker 1: keep your head above water. Year two is okay, figure

2236
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:53,000
Speaker 1: out what a vent in the pool I want to do,

2237
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:54,840
Speaker 1: and then year three is all right, now I know

2238
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:57,160
Speaker 1: everything that's gonna happen. I'm just gonna excel in this

2239
01:46:57,439 --> 01:46:59,200
Speaker 1: role or this spot in the pool that I picked

2240
01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:03,560
Speaker 1: out for myself. Right, that's that's yeah, yeah, absolutely, and

2241
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 1: that's what and that's what it's going to be. I mean,

2242
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:08,760
Speaker 1: how do these guys fit it? And you're right, a

2243
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:14,000
Speaker 1: breakout year for Dawson Knox maybe fifty catches, you know,

2244
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:16,840
Speaker 1: because that's all it's gonna be. But he may have

2245
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:21,000
Speaker 1: he may have twelve touchdowns because he's that kind of

2246
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 1: red zone target. He's a big, tall target. He's worked

2247
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:32,439
Speaker 1: on the right things and he talks about it and

2248
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:34,439
Speaker 1: all the stuff that he writes, all the interviews that

2249
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:36,920
Speaker 1: he does, he talks about all he's thought about was

2250
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:38,800
Speaker 1: being able to catch the ball better than he did

2251
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:41,960
Speaker 1: last year. And his first year was probably marked by

2252
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 1: about three or four bad drops. This last year that

2253
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 1: probably did not did not define his season like it

2254
01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:53,799
Speaker 1: had the first year. I would say he improved vastly

2255
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:56,160
Speaker 1: in his ability to catch the ball. I think last

2256
01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:58,599
Speaker 1: year was marred by an injury to his calf early

2257
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:01,280
Speaker 1: on and then COVID. So then once he got healthy,

2258
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:03,160
Speaker 1: he was a much better He was a better player

2259
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:06,559
Speaker 1: that could count on him. He showed up. But I think, yeah,

2260
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:11,439
Speaker 1: he is. He is a guy that in this offense.

2261
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:14,639
Speaker 1: The point is to be made is that he may

2262
01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:19,400
Speaker 1: he may not ever get enough targets to be a

2263
01:48:19,439 --> 01:48:24,280
Speaker 1: guy like George Kittle or Travis Kelsey. It's funny to

2264
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 1: think about two. You know, you put the kind of

2265
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:28,680
Speaker 1: the benchmark on breakout at fifty catches, but I think

2266
01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:31,680
Speaker 1: is a pretty fair number. Fifty catches now is not

2267
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:33,840
Speaker 1: even three catches a game. You know, with a new

2268
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:36,080
Speaker 1: seventeen game schedule, three catches a game is fifty one.

2269
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:39,720
Speaker 1: So you think about, you know, what his per game

2270
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:43,120
Speaker 1: numbers would be to qualify for a breakout. If he's

2271
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 1: three for fifty with a touchdown more often than not,

2272
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:49,759
Speaker 1: then yeah, that's probably a breakout season for Dawson. Knox

2273
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:52,760
Speaker 1: and the Bills would be tickle if that's what they

2274
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:55,880
Speaker 1: got out of Knox this year with and you know,

2275
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:57,800
Speaker 1: I think the caveat has to be made, you know,

2276
01:48:57,920 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 1: without you know, the three or four or whatever, it's

2277
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:04,439
Speaker 1: gonna be just catastrophic killer drops. That did for sure

2278
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:06,840
Speaker 1: mar his rookie season. Yeah, he had he had an

2279
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:09,680
Speaker 1: average somewhere around four targets a game last year and

2280
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:13,040
Speaker 1: he averaged two and a half catches or something like that. Um,

2281
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 1: that was that was his season. If he could get

2282
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 1: to five targets a game, six targets a game and

2283
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:22,400
Speaker 1: catch the same percentage and get like four or five

2284
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:25,240
Speaker 1: catches out of those six targets or four to three

2285
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 1: and a half four catches out of it. Yeah, you're

2286
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:30,559
Speaker 1: talking about a fifty five catch season. That's big. That's big,

2287
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 1: and he'll probably if with fifty five fifty six catches

2288
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:39,040
Speaker 1: somewhere in there, you're looking at what seven hundred yards

2289
01:49:39,120 --> 01:49:42,120
Speaker 1: maybe something. He's certainly not going to reach a thousand

2290
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:44,280
Speaker 1: He's certainly not gonna reach a thousand yards with only

2291
01:49:44,280 --> 01:49:48,840
Speaker 1: fifty five catches. So that would be a breakout season though,

2292
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:52,599
Speaker 1: And that's you know, you're talking elite tight ends. That's

2293
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:55,599
Speaker 1: not that's not in that conversation, but that's what you're

2294
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:57,479
Speaker 1: talking about in this offense where he's sitting there with

2295
01:49:58,280 --> 01:50:04,599
Speaker 1: with Devin Singletary, Stefan Diggs, Emmanuel Sanders, Cole Beasley, Gabriel Davis,

2296
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:07,240
Speaker 1: you know, and the like. So, yeah, those two guys,

2297
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:11,800
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary and Dawson Knox, I'm glad they put them

2298
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:15,280
Speaker 1: in there because those are three guys coming into their

2299
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:18,120
Speaker 1: third year where we know who they are and they

2300
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:23,680
Speaker 1: should too and the team should and when they've got

2301
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:25,680
Speaker 1: something that needs to be done that those guys you know,

2302
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:28,000
Speaker 1: are able to you know, when those guys are the

2303
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:30,479
Speaker 1: specific tool that those that the team needs in a

2304
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 1: specific situation, they need to come through and need to

2305
01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:36,080
Speaker 1: come through at a very high rate, and I think

2306
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:37,840
Speaker 1: they'll be able to do that. That's that's gonna be

2307
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:41,519
Speaker 1: fun to watch those guys. Certainly, they gotta stay healthy

2308
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:43,479
Speaker 1: and everything's gotta you know, everything else has got to

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01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:47,120
Speaker 1: fall into line. But I like Devin Singletary and Dawson

2310
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:51,440
Speaker 1: Knox and the other guy on this list is intriguing

2311
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:56,080
Speaker 1: to me. Because he's not a rookie, but he's a

2312
01:50:56,160 --> 01:51:03,760
Speaker 1: guy who has never played. It's Hodgens. So Hodgens is

2313
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:07,880
Speaker 1: a he's a great talent. I think he's really intrigue

2314
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:11,639
Speaker 1: six three sixty four big, and he's a route runner.

2315
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:16,760
Speaker 1: He's a he's a young Immanuel Sanders, you know what

2316
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:19,679
Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, that's what a young, bigger Emmanuel Sanders,

2317
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:25,519
Speaker 1: right right. He is intriguing to me. And and the

2318
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:31,200
Speaker 1: problem is the same thing as the problem for Dawson Knox. Well,

2319
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:34,120
Speaker 1: it's not even about opportunity in terms of targets. It's

2320
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:36,720
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure Isaiah Hodgens is on the active roster. Yeah,

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01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:39,679
Speaker 1: when's he gonna get Yeah, what situation is he gonna

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01:51:39,680 --> 01:51:43,759
Speaker 1: get on the field. Yeah, because you already looked. Sanders,

2323
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:47,000
Speaker 1: Digs Beasley are on the team. M Gabriel Davis is

2324
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:49,120
Speaker 1: on the team. Someone's gotta run back kicks. It's five

2325
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:51,759
Speaker 1: receivers right there, you know, And you know, if Isaiah

2326
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:54,080
Speaker 1: McKenzie's not the kick returner, he's got other skills that

2327
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:56,920
Speaker 1: we've already seen he can do. Plus there's Isaiah Hodgens

2328
01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:59,040
Speaker 1: with a sixth round pick. The Bills pick another receiver

2329
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:01,680
Speaker 1: in the sixth round this year who can fly, you know,

2330
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:04,519
Speaker 1: in Stevenson. So you know, the idea that Hodden's even

2331
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:07,519
Speaker 1: on the team is not a lock. Now, could he

2332
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:09,640
Speaker 1: be a breakout? Absolutely? You know we saw it in

2333
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:12,160
Speaker 1: camp last year. You know, the guy has skills and

2334
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:14,519
Speaker 1: the guy can can do things in this league. I mean,

2335
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:17,559
Speaker 1: being healthy is a number one on his list as

2336
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:19,840
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned. You know, I'm gonna see three

2337
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:22,000
Speaker 1: consecutive months with the guys on the field, you know.

2338
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:24,960
Speaker 1: But if you can get past that hurdle, then I'm

2339
01:52:25,120 --> 01:52:27,560
Speaker 1: very curious to see what Hodden's can offer if he

2340
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:30,840
Speaker 1: ever get a chance. Yeah, and that's the that's a

2341
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:34,000
Speaker 1: really it's hard. And I say it's hard, I mean

2342
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:36,120
Speaker 1: it is. It's gonna be hard for him to get

2343
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:38,680
Speaker 1: on the field. And if he does get on the field, um,

2344
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:43,559
Speaker 1: I would be I'd be hard pressed to come up

2345
01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:48,680
Speaker 1: with a scenario where he plays so well that he

2346
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:51,680
Speaker 1: pushes Gabe Davis off the field or Cole Beasley off

2347
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:55,760
Speaker 1: the field, you know, or whoever name you know, or

2348
01:52:56,120 --> 01:53:00,640
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders off the field. I just don't think I

2349
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:03,240
Speaker 1: can't conjure it up that he'd pushed Steph Diggs or

2350
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:06,280
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley off the field, it had to be injury.

2351
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:09,960
Speaker 1: And well, if it's not injury, Sanders is the one guy.

2352
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:12,439
Speaker 1: I mean, if we're gonna you want to go out

2353
01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:14,760
Speaker 1: on this rabbit hole, Sanders is the guy where I

2354
01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:18,040
Speaker 1: could theoretically see you know, the Bills say, well, I mean,

2355
01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:19,840
Speaker 1: I know, we spent all this money on him, but

2356
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:22,320
Speaker 1: we got this young guy who we really liked, and

2357
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:24,360
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's you know, doing a B,

2358
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:26,200
Speaker 1: C and D on the field, and you know, just

2359
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:28,320
Speaker 1: he's a guy we can't take off the field. So

2360
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:30,439
Speaker 1: who do we who do we give his snaps to?

2361
01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:33,680
Speaker 1: You know, theoretically, I guess Sanders would be the guy

2362
01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:36,240
Speaker 1: I think maybe most likely to do that, just because

2363
01:53:36,360 --> 01:53:39,599
Speaker 1: Davis has proven himself valuable at so many different spots

2364
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:42,040
Speaker 1: that you know, if Hoddens can do this, well all right,

2365
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:45,880
Speaker 1: old Davis from from Xta's ear from you know wherever? Right,

2366
01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:49,920
Speaker 1: and I get it. I mean that's you kind of

2367
01:53:49,960 --> 01:53:52,200
Speaker 1: jump through these mental hoops when you're trying to figure

2368
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:55,080
Speaker 1: out where this guy could fit in. And I don't

2369
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:57,080
Speaker 1: know what it would take or how what kind of

2370
01:53:57,120 --> 01:54:00,880
Speaker 1: cap implications Emmanuel Sanders would have. But if he's not

2371
01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:04,600
Speaker 1: playing and if Isaiah Hodgins outs performs him, And we

2372
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:07,320
Speaker 1: talked about this earlier in the show when when they

2373
01:54:07,400 --> 01:54:10,880
Speaker 1: came out with this Cockamamia article about Jerry Hughes and

2374
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:15,920
Speaker 1: Colebsy getting cut. If if somebody out, because if somebody

2375
01:54:15,960 --> 01:54:18,280
Speaker 1: outplays somebody else, they get on the field with this

2376
01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:22,120
Speaker 1: coaching staff, this coaching doesn't they don't play favorites, their

2377
01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:24,519
Speaker 1: favorite players, the one who's playing best and gives him

2378
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:29,320
Speaker 1: the most most. If Isaiah Hodgins did that to Emmanuel Sanders,

2379
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:31,400
Speaker 1: I would be shocked if they did not get him

2380
01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:33,560
Speaker 1: on the field. I don't know if he can. I

2381
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:34,680
Speaker 1: don't know if he will. I don't know if they

2382
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 1: envisioned him even playing the same spot as Emmanuel Sanders.

2383
01:54:38,160 --> 01:54:40,480
Speaker 1: I don't have a clue. But the only but that

2384
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:44,480
Speaker 1: would be the only way Isaiah Hodgins gets on the

2385
01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:47,320
Speaker 1: field is that's he's got to outplay somebody, or three

2386
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 1: guys gotta get or two guys gotta get hurt, even

2387
01:54:49,720 --> 01:54:55,040
Speaker 1: more than one guy. So aside from that, if Hodgins

2388
01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:56,800
Speaker 1: does come out and all of a sudden he hits

2389
01:54:56,800 --> 01:55:01,600
Speaker 1: a grand slam, every single day and he outperforms Emmanuel Sanders.

2390
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the cap implications are for

2391
01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:08,120
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders because if he's not if Emmanuel Sanders gets

2392
01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:11,280
Speaker 1: that beat out by Isaiah Hodgins, he's not gonna be

2393
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:13,920
Speaker 1: like their seventh thought. He's not gonna be deactive for games.

2394
01:55:13,960 --> 01:55:17,800
Speaker 1: He's gonna be gone. Am I right, Yeah, I might

2395
01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:20,520
Speaker 1: look trying to give his contract right now. I think, Um,

2396
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:23,440
Speaker 1: I don't think his contract is guaranteed. And I think

2397
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:25,200
Speaker 1: if he would not be on the roster week one,

2398
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:28,280
Speaker 1: you know, before a veteran gets vested, I would think

2399
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:36,680
Speaker 1: the bills could recoup some, if not all, that, I

2400
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:39,720
Speaker 1: don't know. It's interesting, Yeah, no, yep, I don't know.

2401
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:41,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think. I don't think it

2402
01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:43,760
Speaker 1: any money back from that. But um, I mean, like

2403
01:55:43,880 --> 01:55:46,080
Speaker 1: you said, if Hoddens is the best, he's gonna play

2404
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:48,720
Speaker 1: and and there's no question about that, you know, there's

2405
01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:51,840
Speaker 1: no there's no thought of, well Hodgens looks great in camp,

2406
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:53,600
Speaker 1: but you know we've given Sanders all this money, we're

2407
01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:55,480
Speaker 1: gonna play him. You know, Hodgins is gonna be the

2408
01:55:55,480 --> 01:55:57,200
Speaker 1: guy in the field if if he's worth it, but

2409
01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:01,040
Speaker 1: you want to talk about a breakout. Friday Hoggins playing

2410
01:56:01,080 --> 01:56:03,320
Speaker 1: eight games might be that, you know, like get on

2411
01:56:03,400 --> 01:56:05,320
Speaker 1: the field that much this year, and I'd call that

2412
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:07,800
Speaker 1: a breakout for him. Yeah, I'd have to agree with you.

2413
01:56:07,960 --> 01:56:09,800
Speaker 1: Steve Task or Thad Brown here on One Bills Live,

2414
01:56:09,800 --> 01:56:11,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break, come back to you. We're

2415
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:14,080
Speaker 1: here till the top of the hour. More camp countdown,

2416
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:17,600
Speaker 1: maybe a little lunch NFL true false perhaps, and also

2417
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:19,680
Speaker 1: what do we learned Steve Task or Thad Brown One

2418
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:29,120
Speaker 1: Bills Live on Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to One

2419
01:56:29,160 --> 01:56:31,920
Speaker 1: Bill's Lives Steve Task with Fad Brown. We've been asking you,

2420
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:35,120
Speaker 1: our listeners to chime in on what you think is

2421
01:56:35,160 --> 01:56:38,000
Speaker 1: more important to a defense, an elite, secondary or dominant

2422
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:39,880
Speaker 1: pass rush, and it's time now to finally get around

2423
01:56:39,880 --> 01:56:42,640
Speaker 1: to doing the tweet sheet and looking at some of

2424
01:56:42,720 --> 01:56:44,720
Speaker 1: your answers. Thad, you're ready to go down to the

2425
01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:46,640
Speaker 1: tweet sheet and find out what everybody thinks. You and

2426
01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:48,960
Speaker 1: I had our little You think it's a pass rush

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01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:51,240
Speaker 1: and I've said secondary, And now we're gonna get a

2428
01:56:51,320 --> 01:56:53,640
Speaker 1: chance to hear from our listeners from j T He

2429
01:56:53,720 --> 01:56:56,600
Speaker 1: says this dominant pass rush. If you have a dominant

2430
01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:59,360
Speaker 1: pass rush, it leads to turnovers in the secondary by

2431
01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:02,800
Speaker 1: forcing horror throws from the pressure we bring. It also

2432
01:57:02,920 --> 01:57:05,320
Speaker 1: helps our special teams by getting sacks pinning them back

2433
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:08,160
Speaker 1: on punt return situations. Our defense will be top three

2434
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:10,560
Speaker 1: go bills. That last part, I guess just to chime in,

2435
01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:14,680
Speaker 1: So here's one that's one that took your side of

2436
01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:16,760
Speaker 1: it and passed rush from JT if you're and he

2437
01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:19,960
Speaker 1: says it leads to turnovers in the secondary, forces horrible throws. Yeah,

2438
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:23,240
Speaker 1: but it also it's hard to get sacks on Kyler Murray,

2439
01:57:23,320 --> 01:57:26,400
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen and any other quarterback who can

2440
01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:30,200
Speaker 1: outrun a three hundred pound defensive lineman. Josh Allen gave

2441
01:57:30,200 --> 01:57:33,360
Speaker 1: the La Rams fits last year, and they've gotten maybe

2442
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:35,360
Speaker 1: as good a pass rush with Aaron Donald's anybody now.

2443
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:37,400
Speaker 1: They got him. I think they took him down three

2444
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:40,440
Speaker 1: maybe four times even in that game, but he beat

2445
01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:44,520
Speaker 1: him that game with the tail two halves in the

2446
01:57:44,600 --> 01:57:46,920
Speaker 1: first half. It was support a year argument. In the

2447
01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:49,760
Speaker 1: second half of supporting mine because the Bills did almost

2448
01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:51,760
Speaker 1: nothing offensively until the last drive of the game, and

2449
01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:54,080
Speaker 1: even then you know they sacked him twice and put

2450
01:57:54,160 --> 01:57:56,360
Speaker 1: him here to convert what third and thirty and then

2451
01:57:56,440 --> 01:58:00,480
Speaker 1: third and twenty five, third and twenty three they picked

2452
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:03,000
Speaker 1: it up, and then they got down to first and

2453
01:58:03,120 --> 01:58:05,120
Speaker 1: goal and then backed up. It was like third whatever.

2454
01:58:05,200 --> 01:58:09,120
Speaker 1: Then they got the pass interference call and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2455
01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:12,600
Speaker 1: so I get it. The one thing the twitter does

2456
01:58:12,680 --> 01:58:15,680
Speaker 1: bring up, which is a small point but in my favor,

2457
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:18,200
Speaker 1: is that if you succeed in the pass rush, you

2458
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:21,120
Speaker 1: get sacks, which is negative yardage, whereas sure succeeding in

2459
01:58:21,160 --> 01:58:24,160
Speaker 1: the secondary is zero. So you know a little bit better. Well,

2460
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:25,960
Speaker 1: if you sit in the secondary, the ball is going

2461
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:29,000
Speaker 1: back the other way. Well, if you want to talk

2462
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:32,080
Speaker 1: about creating turnover, sure, But I would say that whether

2463
01:58:32,120 --> 01:58:35,960
Speaker 1: it's dominant pass rush dominant secondary, I think the turnover

2464
01:58:36,120 --> 01:58:39,320
Speaker 1: creation number, ratio, percentage, whatever you wanna call it, I

2465
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:41,320
Speaker 1: would call about the same here. I'd make it a

2466
01:58:41,400 --> 01:58:44,560
Speaker 1: wash turnover wise. But if I'm getting sacks as opposed

2467
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:48,240
Speaker 1: to getting passed passes defense, my sack is worth negative yardage,

2468
01:58:48,280 --> 01:58:50,840
Speaker 1: whereas a pass breakup is zero. But I'll say this too,

2469
01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:54,480
Speaker 1: your failed pass rush leads to more touchdowns on the

2470
01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:57,280
Speaker 1: other end because your secondary can't hold up. Because if

2471
01:58:57,320 --> 01:58:59,920
Speaker 1: you got a guy like Lamar Jackson, Lamar Jackson or

2472
01:59:00,400 --> 01:59:03,640
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray or a Josh Allen or Russell Wilson, Um,

2473
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:06,560
Speaker 1: the list goes on and on. With these young mobile quarterbacks,

2474
01:59:06,760 --> 01:59:08,960
Speaker 1: they get outside the pocket and your pass rush can't

2475
01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:13,280
Speaker 1: get there. The plays extended, and you got a bad secondary.

2476
01:59:14,040 --> 01:59:17,440
Speaker 1: It's a touchdown. It's not just like a third down conversion.

2477
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:20,480
Speaker 1: It's it's over um. That's the other end of the

2478
01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:23,560
Speaker 1: same spect. They're not throwing the ball anyway, a lot

2479
01:59:23,600 --> 01:59:24,880
Speaker 1: of those guys, So it's still a though. I mean,

2480
01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:27,680
Speaker 1: if it's Lar Jackson, you can cover as receive. If

2481
01:59:27,680 --> 01:59:29,680
Speaker 1: you got great man on man coverage, they're gonna have

2482
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:31,600
Speaker 1: their back turn to the Lamar Jackson. You run the

2483
01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:34,280
Speaker 1: ball fifty yards for a touchdown, right, I mean, it's yeah,

2484
01:59:34,360 --> 01:59:37,560
Speaker 1: and it's it's it really is two sides of the

2485
01:59:37,640 --> 01:59:41,200
Speaker 1: same coin. Right. But if he could have this argument

2486
01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:44,280
Speaker 1: for for like three days straight, right, and just keep

2487
01:59:44,360 --> 01:59:47,879
Speaker 1: going back and forth on here's why. And a dominant

2488
01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:52,160
Speaker 1: pass rush, if it's dominant like the ones we saw

2489
01:59:52,200 --> 01:59:56,160
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay against the Chiefs in the Super Bowl,

2490
01:59:56,360 --> 01:59:58,520
Speaker 1: where your quarter they just you can't get anything going.

2491
01:59:58,840 --> 02:00:02,880
Speaker 1: You can't run it, you can't pass it. Everything's off kilter.

2492
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:09,480
Speaker 1: That really looks like a hopeless cause. Right, if you

2493
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:15,000
Speaker 1: have an elite secondary, it's hard to even come by.

2494
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:17,600
Speaker 1: You know what does that look like? You know, the

2495
02:00:17,680 --> 02:00:19,920
Speaker 1: quarterbacks standing, they're patting the ball, patting the ball, patting

2496
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:22,520
Speaker 1: the ball with no place to throw, and that leads

2497
02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:24,200
Speaker 1: to say, you know, that leads to sactually, but it's

2498
02:00:24,280 --> 02:00:27,360
Speaker 1: not as fun to watch. You know, the quarterback comes out,

2499
02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:29,680
Speaker 1: he throws it away, right, Okay, so he throws it

2500
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:33,000
Speaker 1: away or he runs out of bounds behind the line

2501
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:35,120
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. It turns into a sack, which is not

2502
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:40,680
Speaker 1: really a sack. Right, So if you want to what

2503
02:00:40,840 --> 02:00:43,880
Speaker 1: does an elite secondary really look like? Does anybody really know?

2504
02:00:44,320 --> 02:00:46,280
Speaker 1: Because the Bills played against a really good one in

2505
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:49,840
Speaker 1: the La Rams and Josh zings one into the back

2506
02:00:49,880 --> 02:00:53,120
Speaker 1: of the end zone when you know Jalen Ramsey is

2507
02:00:53,360 --> 02:00:56,680
Speaker 1: matched up on Steph Diggs boom touchdown right right in

2508
02:00:56,760 --> 02:01:00,480
Speaker 1: your face. With an elite secondary, let me throw this, Steve.

2509
02:01:01,120 --> 02:01:04,560
Speaker 1: Would it be better to have the dominant pass rush

2510
02:01:05,320 --> 02:01:09,280
Speaker 1: against a heady, older quarterback like Tom Brady to where

2511
02:01:09,560 --> 02:01:11,440
Speaker 1: you're not worried about them getting away, but you want

2512
02:01:11,480 --> 02:01:12,800
Speaker 1: to make sure you doesn't have time to sit back

2513
02:01:12,840 --> 02:01:15,400
Speaker 1: there and diagnose that you're doing. Whereas you might be

2514
02:01:15,400 --> 02:01:18,680
Speaker 1: better off having the better secondary against the younger, more

2515
02:01:18,720 --> 02:01:21,160
Speaker 1: athletic quarterback to where like you said, the pass rush

2516
02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:23,280
Speaker 1: isn't making much of a difference anyway, but if I

2517
02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:26,160
Speaker 1: can confuse him or you know, cause him to do

2518
02:01:26,280 --> 02:01:28,840
Speaker 1: something that he doesn't want to do, I'm better off

2519
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:31,920
Speaker 1: having that be more dominant than that. Having a great

2520
02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:34,120
Speaker 1: pass rush doesn't doesn't getting home no matter what. Yeah,

2521
02:01:34,120 --> 02:01:36,480
Speaker 1: so this this twitter pool, which wasn't more important to

2522
02:01:36,520 --> 02:01:38,800
Speaker 1: a defense elite secondary. A dominant pass rush makes you

2523
02:01:38,840 --> 02:01:43,760
Speaker 1: ask another question, who's the quarterback? Yeah? Is it Philip

2524
02:01:43,880 --> 02:01:49,200
Speaker 1: Rivers or is it Lamar Jackson? You know? I mean,

2525
02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:53,400
Speaker 1: is it Kyler Murray? Or is it Aaron Rodgers? You know?

2526
02:01:53,640 --> 02:01:55,640
Speaker 1: Is it you know? Who is it? It? Is it

2527
02:01:56,640 --> 02:02:01,760
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill or Josh you know? I mean, who's it

2528
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:04,800
Speaker 1: going to be? And that's that's another question that goes

2529
02:02:04,840 --> 02:02:06,840
Speaker 1: into the mix. And you have to look around me,

2530
02:02:07,000 --> 02:02:09,040
Speaker 1: look around the bill's division. If you want to have

2531
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:14,520
Speaker 1: what would you rather have against these quarterbacks to Zach Wilson,

2532
02:02:15,480 --> 02:02:19,280
Speaker 1: are we counting Mac Jones or Cam either one take

2533
02:02:19,320 --> 02:02:21,800
Speaker 1: a pick? Well, I mean that's holy. I think we're

2534
02:02:22,240 --> 02:02:25,160
Speaker 1: talking about this discussion kind of reverse order than what

2535
02:02:25,240 --> 02:02:27,760
Speaker 1: you'd think. In this case, the older quarterbacks, the more

2536
02:02:27,760 --> 02:02:31,440
Speaker 1: athletic quarterback. Um. But if it's if it's let's say,

2537
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:34,280
Speaker 1: if it's Cam, Zach Wilson and tuah, I want the

2538
02:02:34,320 --> 02:02:38,640
Speaker 1: better secondary? Yeah, I think, well there you go. And

2539
02:02:38,720 --> 02:02:40,880
Speaker 1: I'll say this too, and not for nothing, there's eleven

2540
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:44,360
Speaker 1: guys on the field. An elite secondary takes what at

2541
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:48,120
Speaker 1: least three guys playing at a high level. And if

2542
02:02:48,120 --> 02:02:51,600
Speaker 1: it's an elite second here, let's say four. If you're

2543
02:02:51,640 --> 02:02:53,520
Speaker 1: going an elite pastor us, all you need is two.

2544
02:02:54,520 --> 02:02:58,160
Speaker 1: Everybody else could could you know, be in the garbage bin.

2545
02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:00,240
Speaker 1: But if you got those two guys as it can

2546
02:03:00,280 --> 02:03:02,360
Speaker 1: rush the passer from both sides. Okay, well there you

2547
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:04,600
Speaker 1: know you got an elite pass rush. I think the

2548
02:03:04,680 --> 02:03:06,680
Speaker 1: more guys you have played at a higher level, the

2549
02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:09,440
Speaker 1: better your team's gonna play. That's why I always thought

2550
02:03:09,880 --> 02:03:12,320
Speaker 1: the most important position group on offense is the old line.

2551
02:03:13,640 --> 02:03:16,840
Speaker 1: You got five guys playing at a high level. Your

2552
02:03:16,920 --> 02:03:19,360
Speaker 1: quarterbacks better, your running backs better. Your quarter receivers are

2553
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:21,160
Speaker 1: gonna have more opportunity because they have more time to

2554
02:03:21,240 --> 02:03:24,320
Speaker 1: run routes. So, and the secondaries and jets we've been

2555
02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:26,400
Speaker 1: talking about as four guys, it's really not four guys.

2556
02:03:26,720 --> 02:03:33,720
Speaker 1: There's Nichols, the dimebacks, there's linebackers. Yeah. So if you've

2557
02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:36,440
Speaker 1: got that number of guys involved in that elite group,

2558
02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:38,720
Speaker 1: the bigger the number, the more important it is to

2559
02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:41,920
Speaker 1: your total defense. Plus you get a guy like the Bills.

2560
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:46,680
Speaker 1: You think back to man, like I said, manufacturing a

2561
02:03:46,720 --> 02:03:49,680
Speaker 1: pass rush. I think back to the Denver game last year,

2562
02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:56,240
Speaker 1: Trey White sack force fumble touchdown for Jerry Hughes. I mean,

2563
02:03:56,360 --> 02:04:03,920
Speaker 1: that's that's pass rush, not secondary. Right, Does that count

2564
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:07,600
Speaker 1: as a secondary? No? No, no, no, you're right. But

2565
02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:10,880
Speaker 1: the point I'm gonna make is, you know, the question

2566
02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:13,800
Speaker 1: is which would you rather have? But then you get

2567
02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:16,560
Speaker 1: into the reality of the NFL and that you can't

2568
02:04:16,640 --> 02:04:19,360
Speaker 1: just decide I'm gonna have this, I gotta build it.

2569
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:22,520
Speaker 1: So to build, you know, the six or seven guys,

2570
02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:24,560
Speaker 1: you need to have an elite or for whatever number

2571
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:27,560
Speaker 1: you want to make it. The elite secondary is more

2572
02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:30,640
Speaker 1: difficult and less practical than it is. I can just

2573
02:04:30,840 --> 02:04:32,920
Speaker 1: keep taking a swing in the draft like the Bills

2574
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:35,400
Speaker 1: done the last two years on pass rushers. If I

2575
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:37,680
Speaker 1: draft four guys and two of them hit, well, then

2576
02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:41,000
Speaker 1: I've just developed my elite pass rush. So so it's

2577
02:04:41,400 --> 02:04:44,560
Speaker 1: although i'd rather probably maybe have a secondary, you're converting

2578
02:04:44,600 --> 02:04:46,560
Speaker 1: me here a little bit. It's a heck of a

2579
02:04:46,640 --> 02:04:49,360
Speaker 1: lot easier and more reasonable and more doable to come

2580
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:52,040
Speaker 1: up with a pass rush. Yeah, and I hadn't thought

2581
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:56,320
Speaker 1: about that before, but it's a legit question. Does Tredavious

2582
02:04:56,360 --> 02:04:59,120
Speaker 1: White sack strip fumble against Denver that we're watching on

2583
02:04:59,480 --> 02:05:02,280
Speaker 1: MSG right now, is that count is elite pass rush

2584
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:06,240
Speaker 1: or elite secondary play? Yeah? Yeah, you know, because I

2585
02:05:06,360 --> 02:05:08,480
Speaker 1: mean that that probably that I would say that counts

2586
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:10,080
Speaker 1: as a lead passers. I would say, if you can

2587
02:05:10,520 --> 02:05:12,680
Speaker 1: you can get an lead pass rush, if your defensive

2588
02:05:12,680 --> 02:05:15,720
Speaker 1: coordinator is that good to think of all different ways

2589
02:05:15,800 --> 02:05:17,680
Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback, that counts as a lead

2590
02:05:17,720 --> 02:05:19,560
Speaker 1: pass rush. I would say, and you send in your

2591
02:05:19,600 --> 02:05:21,400
Speaker 1: all pro corner. I mean, the last guy you think

2592
02:05:21,480 --> 02:05:23,320
Speaker 1: is gonna blitz is the guy that can cover the

2593
02:05:23,400 --> 02:05:25,920
Speaker 1: pass routs. The best, right, I mean that was that

2594
02:05:26,080 --> 02:05:31,040
Speaker 1: was really that was Leslie Frazier coordinated the heck out

2595
02:05:31,080 --> 02:05:33,800
Speaker 1: of that. I mean, that was awesome, you know, yeah,

2596
02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:35,320
Speaker 1: And that was one of the times that was That

2597
02:05:35,400 --> 02:05:37,000
Speaker 1: was late in the season when I was still fighting

2598
02:05:37,040 --> 02:05:39,360
Speaker 1: against Murf, trying to shut up during the play by

2599
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:42,360
Speaker 1: play because I was turned into cheerier. And he made

2600
02:05:42,720 --> 02:05:45,760
Speaker 1: Cherry picked that ball up stumbles he's running around he

2601
02:05:46,360 --> 02:05:49,200
Speaker 1: versus course and or like, and Murf was even like, uh,

2602
02:05:49,720 --> 02:05:51,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's turned around. Now he's gonna go back

2603
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:53,800
Speaker 1: the other way, and he made that one cut back

2604
02:05:53,880 --> 02:05:59,720
Speaker 1: the outside neither he's gonna make it. And it happened

2605
02:06:00,280 --> 02:06:03,360
Speaker 1: nowhere the whole play, the sack fumble, the jerry and

2606
02:06:03,400 --> 02:06:05,640
Speaker 1: then at the end of it, like half a second

2607
02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:07,600
Speaker 1: before he's in an end zone. We thought he was gonna,

2608
02:06:07,680 --> 02:06:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna be a fumble recovery in the

2609
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:12,480
Speaker 1: down and then you know, two seconds later, it's like, oh,

2610
02:06:13,480 --> 02:06:18,800
Speaker 1: um that It's the most amazing thing about how that happens,

2611
02:06:18,920 --> 02:06:23,160
Speaker 1: because when Leslie Frasier calls that, you think, okay, we

2612
02:06:23,240 --> 02:06:25,120
Speaker 1: might catch him off guard or what. But then to

2613
02:06:25,200 --> 02:06:27,880
Speaker 1: have Trey White give the second effort to come all

2614
02:06:27,880 --> 02:06:29,880
Speaker 1: the way around the corner and come down with the

2615
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:33,600
Speaker 1: tomahawk chop and knock the ball lose. That is elite

2616
02:06:33,640 --> 02:06:38,080
Speaker 1: play at a secondary in a pass rush. Because sacks

2617
02:06:38,240 --> 02:06:41,200
Speaker 1: are great, sack strip fumbles are even better, and sack

2618
02:06:41,240 --> 02:06:45,480
Speaker 1: strip fumbled recoveries and returns are grand slam home runs.

2619
02:06:45,800 --> 02:06:49,160
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's enormous, and that's and that's all done.

2620
02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:52,280
Speaker 1: You can say, I love you know, I love Trey White,

2621
02:06:52,440 --> 02:06:55,520
Speaker 1: love Jerry Hughes, love all the But man, that's Leslie Frasier.

2622
02:06:56,880 --> 02:06:59,040
Speaker 1: That's Leslie Frasier knowing the guys he's got on his

2623
02:06:59,120 --> 02:07:01,760
Speaker 1: side of the ball and picking a spot where he's

2624
02:07:01,800 --> 02:07:04,360
Speaker 1: got It's like having a It's like when you were

2625
02:07:04,360 --> 02:07:06,800
Speaker 1: a kid and you got you know, your little toy

2626
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:09,320
Speaker 1: bow and arrow, and there's always the one arrow that's

2627
02:07:09,400 --> 02:07:12,040
Speaker 1: better than the others, you know, and it's gonna fly better.

2628
02:07:12,120 --> 02:07:14,000
Speaker 1: And when you got that shot, you gotta make that's

2629
02:07:14,040 --> 02:07:15,840
Speaker 1: the arrow you pull out, and no one when to

2630
02:07:15,880 --> 02:07:20,200
Speaker 1: pull that arrow out. Is brilliant. Having to feel it's

2631
02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:22,560
Speaker 1: something I'm very fascinated by. And I don't know, I

2632
02:07:22,600 --> 02:07:24,560
Speaker 1: don't even know if the best defensive coordinators can really

2633
02:07:24,600 --> 02:07:28,520
Speaker 1: even you know, articulate you know how that works, how

2634
02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:30,800
Speaker 1: to know you know when to pull that arrow out

2635
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:33,360
Speaker 1: because and I look at help in that game, the

2636
02:07:33,440 --> 02:07:35,840
Speaker 1: Bills were up by what three touchdowns already, So most

2637
02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:37,880
Speaker 1: of the arrows, Leslie Fraser, we're gonna pull on that spot.

2638
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:40,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna be fine. But you know, to hit with

2639
02:07:40,440 --> 02:07:42,360
Speaker 1: that one, you know, and to know and to have

2640
02:07:42,480 --> 02:07:45,440
Speaker 1: the feel and to understand you know, and that was

2641
02:07:45,560 --> 02:07:47,840
Speaker 1: not a you know, it wasn't second and five from

2642
02:07:47,880 --> 02:07:50,000
Speaker 1: the fifty. You know that Denver was backed up. That's

2643
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:51,840
Speaker 1: the spot where you want to have, you know, one

2644
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:53,480
Speaker 1: of your good arrows ready to go, because you've got

2645
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:56,240
Speaker 1: an opportunity to add. Worst, you know, end up with

2646
02:07:56,400 --> 02:07:58,080
Speaker 1: a punt that's gonna give your offense the ball probably

2647
02:07:58,080 --> 02:08:00,600
Speaker 1: on the plus side of the field. That's right, you know,

2648
02:08:00,960 --> 02:08:03,280
Speaker 1: not for anohing. We're going down this tweet sheet, Steve Tasker,

2649
02:08:03,480 --> 02:08:05,400
Speaker 1: Thad Brown. Here, we got time for one more, and

2650
02:08:05,440 --> 02:08:07,280
Speaker 1: we'll do one more because we've got six answers that

2651
02:08:07,560 --> 02:08:10,320
Speaker 1: we typed up here. There's a whole more on my

2652
02:08:10,480 --> 02:08:14,160
Speaker 1: timeline on Twitter. But they're all picking pass rush, all

2653
02:08:14,240 --> 02:08:16,320
Speaker 1: of them, I know, all six of them are picking

2654
02:08:16,360 --> 02:08:18,760
Speaker 1: pass rush and I'll just take I'll pick one from

2655
02:08:19,120 --> 02:08:22,320
Speaker 1: We'll go to our old favorite, Tiffany. She says this,

2656
02:08:23,040 --> 02:08:25,000
Speaker 1: in my opinion, to advance to the super Bowl, we

2657
02:08:25,080 --> 02:08:27,640
Speaker 1: have to be able to get after the quarterback. Hopefully

2658
02:08:27,720 --> 02:08:29,640
Speaker 1: one of our young D linemen can provide an upgrade

2659
02:08:29,640 --> 02:08:32,800
Speaker 1: to our pass rush, and a healthy Harrison Phillips along

2660
02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:35,200
Speaker 1: with the return of Star should only help the unit

2661
02:08:35,280 --> 02:08:39,640
Speaker 1: in its entirety. There's no question. I'm really that's one

2662
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:42,920
Speaker 1: position group. I don't want to get too far away

2663
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:45,320
Speaker 1: from our topic here, but that's one position group, the

2664
02:08:45,480 --> 02:08:50,160
Speaker 1: D line that I'm really excited about watching play during

2665
02:08:50,240 --> 02:08:54,320
Speaker 1: this during this preseason. I think it's going to be

2666
02:08:54,400 --> 02:08:58,120
Speaker 1: an absolute a lot of fun to watch these new

2667
02:08:58,200 --> 02:09:03,480
Speaker 1: players play in this in this defense. And you know,

2668
02:09:03,640 --> 02:09:05,840
Speaker 1: I think, what what Tiffany, What tiff is doing with

2669
02:09:05,920 --> 02:09:08,120
Speaker 1: the with the tweet here is you know, it's less

2670
02:09:08,200 --> 02:09:11,200
Speaker 1: of which would you rather have starting from zero, It's

2671
02:09:11,240 --> 02:09:13,520
Speaker 1: more of you know, hey, in Buffalo, we already have

2672
02:09:13,840 --> 02:09:16,360
Speaker 1: the elite secondary or a good chunk of it. So

2673
02:09:16,640 --> 02:09:19,480
Speaker 1: what would we prefer to have, you know, new or different?

2674
02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:22,000
Speaker 1: It would be the pass rush. And I mean it's

2675
02:09:22,160 --> 02:09:24,320
Speaker 1: We've had this conversation I have among other you know,

2676
02:09:24,600 --> 02:09:27,520
Speaker 1: Beat media members that this training camp is going to

2677
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:30,720
Speaker 1: kind of be boring because we know who twenty three

2678
02:09:30,760 --> 02:09:33,360
Speaker 1: of the starters are, maybe twenty two, So what what

2679
02:09:33,560 --> 02:09:35,560
Speaker 1: is there to talk about in camp? And you know,

2680
02:09:35,680 --> 02:09:38,200
Speaker 1: the pass rushers and the young guys and how much

2681
02:09:38,240 --> 02:09:41,080
Speaker 1: they can develop and how fast they can develop certainly

2682
02:09:41,200 --> 02:09:42,680
Speaker 1: is going to be in the top, you know, list

2683
02:09:42,720 --> 02:09:45,480
Speaker 1: of two or three most important stories from from training

2684
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:48,040
Speaker 1: camp this year. So I'm with you, you know, seeing

2685
02:09:48,080 --> 02:09:51,400
Speaker 1: what Rousseau and Bashuman especially, but even Epanessa, you know,

2686
02:09:51,480 --> 02:09:53,840
Speaker 1: with with with an offseason, to see how much he's

2687
02:09:53,880 --> 02:09:56,280
Speaker 1: improved will be a big part of the focus for

2688
02:09:56,320 --> 02:09:58,880
Speaker 1: the next you know, six seventy ten weeks whatever is Yeah,

2689
02:09:58,920 --> 02:10:01,240
Speaker 1: no kidding a j Penessa coming back with the first

2690
02:10:01,320 --> 02:10:07,640
Speaker 1: full off season for him, Greg Rousseau, Bam Johnson, Darryl

2691
02:10:07,680 --> 02:10:10,120
Speaker 1: Johnson who came out, he's he's a pastor of the

2692
02:10:10,120 --> 02:10:13,440
Speaker 1: Great Special Teams player Justin Zimmer fa Obada who a

2693
02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:15,360
Speaker 1: player who I've known, We've talked about on the show

2694
02:10:15,440 --> 02:10:17,800
Speaker 1: because I had I did his first game. Everyone he

2695
02:10:17,840 --> 02:10:20,160
Speaker 1: finally got activated off the two years of the practice

2696
02:10:20,160 --> 02:10:22,320
Speaker 1: squad and trying to make the team. He got activated

2697
02:10:22,360 --> 02:10:25,560
Speaker 1: in Caroline. I watched his first game, a sack and

2698
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:27,520
Speaker 1: a strip, fumble, force fund. I mean, the guy won

2699
02:10:27,640 --> 02:10:29,600
Speaker 1: the game for him. He was all over the place.

2700
02:10:29,680 --> 02:10:32,040
Speaker 1: He's a huge guy. And then of course Boogie Bashham

2701
02:10:32,080 --> 02:10:35,080
Speaker 1: coming up. It's gonna be fun to see how that

2702
02:10:35,160 --> 02:10:37,280
Speaker 1: comes together, along with Starr coming back as well, So

2703
02:10:38,600 --> 02:10:40,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun. That's defensive line is gonna be

2704
02:10:41,080 --> 02:10:44,320
Speaker 1: the I think spotlight for this training camp, for this

2705
02:10:44,440 --> 02:10:46,640
Speaker 1: training camp, for the whole season too. Yeah. I mean

2706
02:10:46,640 --> 02:10:48,520
Speaker 1: to me, it feels like, you know, this is the

2707
02:10:48,600 --> 02:10:51,160
Speaker 1: lynchpin between where the Bills were last year and maybe

2708
02:10:51,160 --> 02:10:53,480
Speaker 1: where they want to get some Steve Tasker Thad Brown

2709
02:10:53,560 --> 02:10:56,080
Speaker 1: coming coming back to wrap things up on One Bills

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Speaker 1: The thing we learned most we had Mark Ross and

2715
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Speaker 1: NFL Network on his thoughts are and you know it's

2716
02:11:18,040 --> 02:11:21,320
Speaker 1: hard not to jump on with these expectations, particularly if

2717
02:11:21,320 --> 02:11:24,440
Speaker 1: you're a Bills fan, is that they expect there's a

2718
02:11:24,520 --> 02:11:27,320
Speaker 1: lot of people not just outside Bill's country, but not

2719
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:29,400
Speaker 1: just Bills country, but outside Bills country. I guess I

2720
02:11:29,400 --> 02:11:32,800
Speaker 1: should say that have high expectation. I think Sean McDermott

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Speaker 1: could be the first guy, the next guy to win

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl to have that on his resume. They

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Speaker 1: think the Bills have a complete roster. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of things to be happy about. We've been talking about

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Speaker 1: them for months now. After the huge step forward the

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Speaker 1: team took last year. It's hard to come up with

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Speaker 1: reasons why they won't continue this momentum for sure. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they've got a young quarterback that's on the up swing,

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Speaker 1: they've got a roster that's you know, mostly young, head

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Speaker 1: coach and a m that's pressed so many good buttons,

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Speaker 1: and there's just no reason to think they've been got

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Speaker 1: all the tools for what should be a long and

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Speaker 1: sustained run here. It's just a matter of you know,

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Speaker 1: not having something bad happened between now and four years

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Speaker 1: from now, and then you know, catching the brakes you

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Speaker 1: need to catch to put it all together for a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Also, one other thing we learned, don't get

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Speaker 1: into a beer checking contest with David Baktiari or his dad.

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Speaker 1: They're pretty tough tandem. Those guys on the sidelines side

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Speaker 1: court of the Bucks game last night. That Brown, thanks

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Speaker 1: for coming on with us today. Man, it's awesome to

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Speaker 1: see it. Hey, good to be here. Thanks for having

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Speaker 1: me on it. And I appreciate you guys doing it

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Speaker 1: on zoom so I can be here at home in Rochester.

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Speaker 1: And Steve, I'll see you tomorrow. And no, we'all see

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Speaker 1: you to more. Nobody will see us. We're off the

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Speaker 1: air tomorrow. We'll be back on Wednesday. Come back and

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Speaker 1: join us. Dad Brown and I here on one Bills Live.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Have a great day tomorrow, everybody.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you on Wednesday.