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It's way bigger than the 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:23.360 delta made by the Mississippi flowing to the Gulf of Mexico. 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:27.720 It's actually, um, the y K delta is bigger than 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:32.120 the state of Louisiana. It's a huge tundra delta. And 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:37.600 this area is predominantly Um. There's six thousand people in Bethels, 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:44.720 predominantly Native Alaska. Uh Yupik Eskimo. We're coming from an island, 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.520 Nu Nevak Island, which is forty miles out into the 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:53.120 Bering Sea Islands, about forty miles by sixty miles approximately, 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:58.520 and that's Chupic Eskimo out there. UM. And the only 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.720 chupas like Chupas just live on New Nevak. There's two 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.640 hundred people on New Nevak Island in a town called 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.560 McCory Uck, and that's where we're coming from. We're just 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:12.520 out there hunting muskox. But speaking of how big the 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:17.480 y K delta is, Um, we're here with Mike washed Leski. 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.959 You've never done one of these Mica. We kind we 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.360 kind of try to do on an anchors, but I 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.480 didn't have a hot Mica, Mike's done him. But Mike 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.359 has done him. But as Mike was on so kind 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:31.320 of no, and we were asking Mike, Mike's from Texas, 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:34.440 and this morning we were asking Mike if why is 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.880 Texas so into the thing about how their states so big? 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:43.880 But it's not the biggest state. It's like Texas fits 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.079 inside of Alaska, but Texans are. It's a big thing. 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:52.800 It's like no other second place thing acts like it's 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.359 the first place thing. I think it's because it was 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.799 its own country, so that's the claim to fame. I 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.079 guess a certain degree. It's the biggest in the lower 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:04.040 forty eight. I guess you could just say that, yeah, 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:08.720 but it's it's probably carrying over from when before, from 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:12.919 before Alaska became a state and then it was Okay, 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:14.840 what's the sports team that used to be good? Now 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:19.360 they suck? Well. It's like like the Packers. The Packers 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.040 ever used to win that they always win the Super 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:22.400 Bowls in the old days. I feel like they did. 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.760 They've been great. Okay, so people the Packers don't run 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.160 around and being like, yeah, number one champion, right, It's 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:30.799 like you used to be you're not now now you're 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.480 just like a team. Yeah texts. You guys are just 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.920 like a state. Texas has a lot of pride. Yeah, 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.080 I mean people get tattooed. I mean how many tattoos 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.640 you see have, Like you know, Massachusetts on somebody's shoulder. 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.320 Well here that you tattooed nine oh seven on your arm. 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.880 That the areas a single area code state like Wyoming. 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:51.560 So what happens whenever there's another area code and you 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:55.800 happen to have that tattoo, you do slash, then you're 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.680 you're the next the next three time. It's like a 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:06.400 remember also so so Mike's a camera operator and still 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:11.200 photographer um and works with us on the show Media. 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:13.920 We're actually coming from filming an episode of Media and 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.440 we're also joined by Honest But tell us who who 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.000 you know is always hanging around? It's always kind of 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.720 murmuring in the background there. And then Corey, how do 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:25.600 you say your last name? Catch mark or catch mark 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:29.719 or kasmeric? Which do you like? Depending on the day. 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:33.200 It's like, if you want to tell someone how it sounds, 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:39.080 it's kasmeric if you look at it. Yeah, Corey comes 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:44.120 from a big state, sixty six miles wide, Montana, and um, 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.160 what's super interesting about Corey. Tell them what you used 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.520 to do before you start being a cameraman. I'll tell 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:52.280 him Corey was the dude. Corey is one of the 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.480 dude is it jumps out of the helicopter with the 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:58.120 snowboard and goes down a big, huge mountain that looks 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.200 like you're gonna die. Talk about that just for a 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:05.800 quick second. I've been snowboarding like twenty five years, and uh, 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.159 I think my favorite kind of snowboarding is big mountain 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:11.200 snow waring. So I used to compare bing mountain, big mountain, big. 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.640 Sorry I got a little bit of a cold, but 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:18.239 uh yeah, I was competed at a professional level, traveled 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:23.799 around big mountain snow waring. I one time asked Corey, 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.600 we're hunting, and I asked Corey if there's ever been 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.680 a mountain the other dudes would go down on their 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:31.800 snowboard and he wouldn't go down. And at the time 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:35.040 he said, no, You've never seen a dude go down 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:36.920 a hill. And then you said, there's no way I'm 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.839 going down that hill. I could go down the hill. 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.560 There might be routes where right now in my age, 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.440 I'm only thirty nine, But that's old for a snowboarder 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:49.720 to be jumping off fifty sixty ft cliffs. Yeah, you know, 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:54.120 K two or I don't know what. Everest would be 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:57.920 one that I would question, but it was at low elevation. 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.160 I could probably make it down. Okay. You know it's 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.240 the elevation that will get you on those mountains. What 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.800 do you mean, I mean just the air, the air. Yeah, 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:09.560 you could just be snowboarding and just pass out, you know, 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.440 is that right? Oh? Yeah? Hey, what what is it? 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:18.760 What's the death zone twenty? What is it? I think? So? 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:23.880 Do you snowboard downhills where I don't want? I do 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:27.120 want to talk about snowboard for a minute. Um, do 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:33.520 you snowboard down hills or if you fell you would die? Yes? Yeah, 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.680 I do that a lot. So you have to keep 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.040 up right, Yeah, you don't want to fall or usually 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.320 it's you're exposed. So if it's steep enough where you 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.240 can like fall and you start getting momentum, it's the 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:51.400 rag dolling effecting when you're going to pass over heels 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:52.880 all the way down the mountain, you know, and then 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.160 that's when you will probably die, have trauma or go 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.680 over a cliff for you know, so you don't want 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:02.240 to smack into a tree or trees. Did that happen 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:03.640 a lot? I mean, do you see that like when 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.680 it happens all time? Well, I mean like during a competition. Oh, 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:09.320 during competitions, he can't get to the bottom hill for 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:13.880 all the carcasses land everywhere. There are deaths. There are 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:18.160 some deaths in that competitive scene. You know, it's just unfortunate. 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:19.920 But you are a risk. You know, it's a time 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:23.040 of day. Wake up, it's competition day. Or at the top, 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.560 and you're gonna push your limits. And some people try 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.160 to go a little past their limits, or some people 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.200 just mess up off takeoffs and maybe landing and then 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.800 an oncoming rock or cliff because you're missing you're looking 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.040 at it from the bottom with your binoculars, this mountain face, 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.720 and then you have to go up top and kind 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:45.960 of turn that whole you know vision in your head 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.280 because you're gonna go down the mountain now, so you're 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:51.280 flipping the image and you have to remember like this rock, 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:56.120 this tree, this four ft tree, you know, three ft 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:57.920 to the left. I'm gonna take off there and it's 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.160 gonna be a two ft wide landing and then I 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.480 gotta take a hard left here because this is a 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.000 you know, there's other trees or another forty ft cliff, 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.320 so you gotta like it's a little puzzy putting to 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.960 your head, and then you know you're at the finish 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.440 line hopefully. And how fast you're going, I mean it's 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:19.480 depending on your route route finding. Are you judged on speed? 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.160 It's not really speed. You know. The judging criteria was 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.400 line choice, which the line you pick going down the mountain, 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:36.439 control your fluidity or aggressiveness, and um style. It sounds 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.360 like a lot of like pretty arbitrary stuff. It's like 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:43.960 figure scanning. Yeah you know that, but what speed would 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:48.280 you hit? Oh, you can hit easy, you know, you 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.760 points point to shoot for a long period of time. 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.160 You can be going fifty easily. So do you do? 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.560 You go on these mountains like side unseen, like you're like, 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:58.920 here's your mountain, figure out the map and then you've 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:02.400 never actually done the rap up. Yeah. True, that's at 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.200 the high level. The low level, they'll let you go 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:09.280 onto the face, ski around, look off things. You know. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.680 It's called an inspection day. You get one run through 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.640 and you get the find your route and that you know, 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.160 it's pretty explosive skiing when you have when you can 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:20.480 go see where you're going. So these guys are just 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.440 flying on the mountain, but when you have a there's 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:27.520 actually a contest the World Tours in Handes, Alaska this week, 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:32.400 and would you normally be at that right now? I 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.800 followed that tour. I used to snowboard on that tour 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:40.680 for two years and I've worked at probably like four 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:47.120 years worked as a camera. So yeah, you just it's 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:51.240 just the adrenaline thing. It's like hunting, like probably sheep 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.079 or something. I would say I hunt, but on that 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.679 like these guys, you know, not like Steve, those who 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.840 are listening, but you know, you get that scene adrenaline rush, 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:06.400 probably chasing sheep, walking these cliff edges, trying to find 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.760 the sheet probably and you don't want to fall here 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.320 with your big pack on. If you do, you're gonna 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:13.000 get messed up a way in the back country. And 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.240 it kind of brings me and Mike peeked over a 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:22.800 couple of edges. I wasn't about snowboard down. Yeah, I 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:24.959 was just like Steve, you can go ahead up over 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:29.280 that edge. I'm just not cool right here. So uh, 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.080 let's go way way back. I'm gonna go way back 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:37.120 in time from it here. During like the place the 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:43.160 scene epic, you had musk cocks all the way likes 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.640 there's a term circumpolar, like muscles like the blue muscle 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:48.640 eat when you get muscles in the restaurant, the blue 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:52.520 muscles circumpolar. There's a band of latitudes around the globe 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:59.080 that that muscle exists at. Okay um. Way back during 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.560 the place the scene, European stone ages, you know where 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:06.200 you've got humans spread around but still a long time ago, 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.600 muskoks were circumpolar. They were like all through the Arctic, 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:15.280 but way down man like, there's cave paintings of muskox 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:22.200 down in France, so chro magnet people Stone age Europeans 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:26.440 were hunting from muskoks. If it's any indication that they 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:28.959 used to paint the stuff they haunted on cave walls 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.360 from thirty thousand, thirty five thousand years ago, you had 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:37.520 muskoks way down there. Um. Interestingly, by the time anyone, 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.400 due to under our current understanding, by the time any 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:47.199 human being step foot in the Western hemisphere. In this 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:53.440 step foot in North America. Muskox only existed in North America. 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:58.000 It seems by that point in time, um when the 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.160 Russians first started dick and around in the Arctic, and 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.200 you know, some American Americans are coming up, not quite 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.080 Americans yet, but we're coming up into the Arctic. They're 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:12.040 running the musk ox all through Alaska, the Canadian High 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:16.600 Arctic into Greenland like everywhere. But they whittled away at 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.760 him and whittled away at him, and they by about 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:25.520 eighteen twenty muskox were gone from Alaska extra paated. Uh, 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.559 you'll offer if you read about what happened all the 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.400 muskox and like, let me let me back up one 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:34.120 quick second. A musk ox is a big wooly animal 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:38.360 with like a horn boss whereas horns dropped down and 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.160 sort of gold on the side of his head and 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.360 curl out, Like what's that haircut? We're saying, I can't 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:47.800 because at a Betty Page. Yeah. No, it's like little 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.439 Debbie on a little Debbie snap cake. Yeah. If you 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.160 ever eating a little Debbie what what are some of 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:57.559 those little devvie deals? Remember those? Uh? Uh, she's a 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:03.559 big sponsored big dan you're na dingdong um, it's like 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:08.240 a muskox is horns like are sort of plastered over 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.600 the top of his head and dropped straight down into 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:15.120 candy cane hooks. They got real wooly coats. In fact, 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.280 they produced a wold called kivot and it's supposed to 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.880 be x times warmer than any other kind of wool 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.079 on the planet. A big bowl might be six hundred 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:30.959 pounds um. And they live in coastal Arctic regions. People 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.280 you'll read different things. You read like, oh, the Russian 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.720 fur traders wiped out the musk Ox, and then some 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.199 people will point out that the Russian fur traders didn't 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:42.600 actually wipe out the Muskoks. Natives wiped out the Muskox 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:47.000 operating on behalf of Russian fur traders who wanted to 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.679 meet in the hides. So whatever it was, Russians came 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:54.360 in flashing big money around and people shot the Muskox out. 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:56.920 Period Like when you hear about Arctic explorers, you hear 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.280 about the guy named Peery. Some guys sat down and 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:04.720 figured out how many Muskoks did Peries expeditions alone account for, 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.880 and they feel like PERI killed six hundred Muskoks to 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:12.640 feed his expeditions. The Arctic explorer Stephenson, he's always eating 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:16.440 muskox um. We'll get into why it's easy to wipe 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.200 out muskoks some how. You could probably wipe out muskox 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.800 the second time if you felt like it, within about 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.240 five months, five or six months if you felt like it. 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.440 They're not difficult to find. But they wiped them out 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:31.080 of a Laska by the mid eighteen hundreds. Then in 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.040 nineteen thirty, I'm just giving you some background here. In 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:40.320 nineteen thirty, they brought thirty some muskoks from Greenland, one 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.880 of the places where they hadn't been extrapated. So like 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:46.240 the super remote Ship, muskox never got killed out of 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.560 They never got killed out of Greenland. And I think 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:52.840 like Banks Island, the Coronation goldf Area, the way Canadian 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:57.400 hier Arctic stuff, they never got wiped out of soties. 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.280 Someone was like, man, we should get some muskoks back. 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.200 They went to Greenland, got some muskox and eventually put 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.600 those muskaks out on New Nevak Island in the Bearing Sea, 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.440 which is off western Alaska, and they dumped them out 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.800 on Nunivak Island and they just let them start reproducing, 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.560 and it wasn't much time at all. They had hundreds 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.240 of the things. So at that point in time, like 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:20.440 as late as nineteen the only muskox that existed in 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.520 the US besides for a captive zoo specimen here and 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:27.280 there were the pop was the population on Nanovac or 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.840 nun Novak. They went out and caught some of those 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:34.960 in the sixties to start an experimental herd in Fairbanks 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.200 where they wanted to start messing around with this idea 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.880 of using it as an agricultural product, where you'd raise 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.760 muskox to get the wool kiveot and you'd have like 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.600 economic development in rural areas. That seems to have kind 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:52.480 of gone nowhere. As that heard on Nunivak expanded, they 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.160 kept grew in numbers, they kept peeling off some to 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.120 start all these herds. And now if you look at 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.280 a map of Alaska where a musk ox live, they're 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:03.120 kind of like back to everywhere they would have been. 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.160 You got them on Seward Peninsula. The first muskox I've 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.360 ever seen the first time, the first three times I 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.400 ever ran into muskox was all hunting carried on the 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.080 north slope they got muskots on the north slope around 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.520 Prudeo Bay. They're around and that's kind of how they 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:23.000 came to be. So hunting opportunities are extremely limited for muskox. 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:27.480 The hunt I did the State of Alaska. The hunt 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:29.840 just did. The State of Alaska calls like d X 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.120 O O three. It's a hunt unit you apply for. 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.320 It's a tag that's good from February one to March 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:39.960 fifteen on now Nevak Island and it has I don't know, 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.320 it's about a nine percent chance of drawn the tag. 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.200 They're giving out fewer and fewer tags right now. The 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:48.080 herds not doing great on now Nevak. I think this 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.880 year they gave out twenty tags for the winter hunt 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:55.520 and then I don't know, five or ten tags for 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.160 the summer hunt. Um the spring hunt they calls the 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:03.520 March hunt. And it's cold. So did you choose no 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:07.359 Nevak specifically or their other draws in different areas of 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:11.600 the this year, now Nevak is the only drawing nonresident 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:15.600 can put in for. So like the way Alaska run hunts, 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.080 Alaska has over the counter stuff, which is just over 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.640 the counter stuff. Tag you're gonna buy you can buy 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.000 the day you want to go hunting. They have registration 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.800 hunts which are first come, first serve open to residents. 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:28.720 Then they have like the Then they have like a 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.080 Tier one draw which is a resident draw. Then they 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.320 have just like the drawing hunts. And so if a 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.479 non resident wants to put in for a musk ox tag. 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.640 So if you don't live in Alaska and you want 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.880 to hunt muskox right now, now Nevaks your only option. 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.120 You can go up the Northwest Territories and is by 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.240 permits from guides, but if you want to hunt here, 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:54.240 that's it now Nevak Island. I was awarded one of 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.600 the tags several years ago and wasn't able to go, 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:59.480 and I never thought it would have had another chance. 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.560 It's was not even fair that you can draw it 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:04.920 and draw again, like a lot of stose not that way. 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.280 If you draw a buffalo tag in Alaska, that's it 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.199 for the rest of your life. If you draw a 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.000 toke sheep tag, it's it for like four or seven years. 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.600 I don't know why they let you keep cracking on muskox. 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:18.760 It's not fair, but I did it, and I got 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:24.760 a second tag and went back and we just got back. Um. 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.280 It was interesting was that the locals on the island 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:32.200 had to It was a first come, first first come, 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:36.480 first served basis on the island. Even you know the 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:40.399 two people there, I think, uh one are One of 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:45.400 our guys was saying Raymond that he stood in line 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.080 when he was the first one there and he was 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.640 two days early, two days a good tag. So yeah, 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.560 tags are always distribute, like generally, I shouldn't say always. 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:58.200 Registration hunts are you go online and get the tag. 0:18:58.240 --> 0:18:59.680 It's like or you go something you have to go 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:01.520 into the actual office and get a tag. So you 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:03.679 might have a registration hunt where you gotta go to Bethel, 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.240 Alaska to pick up your tag, right, and it really 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.560 limits it two dudes in Bethel because people aren't generally 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:12.680 gonna fly to Bethel to pick up a tag. The 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:16.880 residents the Chupic on now Nevak Island every year get 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.000 allocated some number of tags. This year, I think it 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.960 was five cow tags, five bull tags. There's two people 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:28.640 that live on the island. Um, it's not online, it's 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:32.120 said a dude from Alaska Department and Fishing Game flies 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.160 out there with the tags and hands the tags out 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:39.680 to the first guy's waiting in line. So Rain was saying, 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:41.760 the same people seem to get the tags every year. 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.520 So he went and waited in line two days in 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.040 a row this year, so that when the guy showed 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.040 up he got a cow tag for a muskox. Yeah, 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.200 and he's out there right now. He's out there today. 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.520 He's probably out butchering a muskox right now, and that's 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.600 a subsistence hunt for him. There are a lot of 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:03.919 muskox hunts in alas where it's a registration hunt and 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:08.679 you have to destroy the head of the muskox. You 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:12.040 have to saw the horns in half. They have those 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.639 from moves too. You know, they don't want you doing 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:18.640 the hunt. They don't want a trophy dude coming out 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:20.960 to do the hunt, so they make it that. Sure, 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.440 you can go get the registration thing and hunt the muskox, 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:25.080 but you don't get to keep the head. You gotta 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:29.000 destroy the head. I read an article about a guy 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.560 who was involved in the game commission in Alaska who 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.040 tried to pull a fast one, and he because you 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:37.720 can buy handicrafts from indigenous people like you know, if 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:41.800 people are trying to sell US seal hats. Right, you 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:46.199 can't buy a seal skin from a native lad like 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:48.680 you can't buy a seal skin from a chup, for instance, 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.080 because of the Marine Mammal Protection Act. But if that 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:55.080 individual takes that sealskin and make something out of it, 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.120 you can buy it from him, Like you can buy 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:01.640 carved ivory, but you can't buy raw ivory. So could 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:05.400 they give you so say, this is a square seal towel. 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.359 That's the thing. That's what I People wonder about that 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:11.080 all the time, and like, I don't know, it's somewhere 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:14.919 it's spelled out. But anyway, some guy had gone, so 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:18.080 I'm gonna go do a registration muskox, hunt, kill my 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:22.800 musk ox, give the head to a native woman, have 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:25.840 her do a carving on it, and then buy it 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:29.720 back from her. And they determined that that violated the 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.960 spirit of that law. I'd be like, just a little 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:37.040 teeny carving on the bottom would be fine. Write your 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:42.159 name on the upper palette, the one that sits on 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:44.879 the wall. So the first like the biggest thing that 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:46.440 coming up, like coming up to go out and hunt? 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:48.520 What else should we say? What else is important to 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:52.920 established about musk cos it tastes good talking more about that, boss, 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.359 you know. I read that the horns and then the 0:21:56.440 --> 0:22:00.399 skull beneath it to where the brain cavity star is 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:06.560 eight to ten inches. Muskox bash heads one name. It's 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:09.719 like sheep, dude, Like when big horns are bashing heads, 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:12.679 it sounds like a twenty two rifle. In fact, I 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:14.359 was out hunting one time and thought a guy kept 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:16.280 shooting a gun and later realized there was two big 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:19.000 horns cracking heads. I saw a big horn ram a 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:21.240 tree one time. I counted he ran that tree seventy 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:24.480 five times, like quickcounting are seventy five times in real 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:31.720 a bighorn sheep can withstand forty times. The bighorn sheep 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:35.080 can withstand the amount of power to his head forty 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:38.359 times greater than what would fracture your skull. Why do 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:40.400 you think he was in a trade for practice, just 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:42.760 getting pumped up. I guess it's this time of year. 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:45.240 It was September. They don't run till November. Like a 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:48.359 football player. Just like banging his helmet. He was banging 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.000 a ponder roles the pine and all those buddies must 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:52.479 have did the same things is ponder rolls a pine 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:54.280 look like someone had been hitting with a baseball bat 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:57.640 for about three years. That was nuts, so they got what. Yeah, 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:01.080 it's called a horn boss where the horns are like 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:05.439 on top of their head. It's like if a girl 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:10.479