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Speaker 1: recording in a very teeny sounding hotel room and Bethel, Alaska.

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Speaker 1: Bethel Alaska is in western Alaska. Specifically, it's where the

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Speaker 1: Delta or y K delta. It's way bigger than the

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Speaker 1: It's actually, um, the y K delta is bigger than

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Speaker 1: this area is predominantly Um. There's six thousand people in Bethels,

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Speaker 1: predominantly Native Alaska. Uh Yupik Eskimo. We're coming from an island,

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Speaker 1: You've never done one of these Mica. We kind we

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Speaker 1: But it's not the biggest state. It's like Texas fits

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Speaker 1: It's like no other second place thing acts like it's

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Speaker 1: that Saddam Hussein had published several books of poetry and novels,

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00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: and I would always say Saddam Hussein, the poet novelist.

424
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: You know, it's like in conversation that say, yeah, you know,

425
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: Saddam was saying the poet novelists. His country is being invaded. Um,

426
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, like everything's like everything's the ice age relic.

427
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: But that might be what they mean, that it's out

428
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: on the tundra, which would mean you'd have to say, um,

429
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: a vole, the ice age relic. He still lives on

430
00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: the tundra. You know. It's just looks like a throwback

431
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: to like that's what it is. You think you're looking

432
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: at a mammoth. That thing had hair on it, the

433
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 1: one we butcher, the muskox we butchered had hair on it.

434
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: It was over eighteen inches long, short of a horse's

435
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: tail nothing his hair like that. It's very interesting to

436
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: see him standing there and then actually moving running and

437
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: it's almost like they had a skirt around him, and

438
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: that hair almost seemed like it was close to the

439
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: almost hits the ground almost. The writer Peter Matheson who

440
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: wrote a book about like there's some natives called Muskox,

441
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: not on, not the Tupic, but some natives called Muskox

442
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: m mac. Peter Matheson wrote this book. It's sort of

443
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: like a magazine article that turned into a book that

444
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: he wrote, and he relates that wool, the way it sways.

445
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: He talks about it reminds him of chain mail moving.

446
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: And he also has a line where when they're in

447
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: tall grass, the grass coming up from the ground and

448
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: the wool coming down from the animal meat in a

449
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: way that makes it hard to sort of distinguish where

450
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: one ends and one begins. It's kind of like they're

451
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: just gliding across the As the animal moves, they do

452
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: seem to glide like they're on wheels, almost super wooly.

453
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: And um, I remember, like when I was working on

454
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: my Buffalo book, I remember reading it. They did this

455
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: study where they took um different animals. They had a

456
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: high a Scottish Highland cattle, Tibettan yak, and a buffalo

457
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: and put them in context containers and started lowering the

458
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: temperature to find out at which point the animals metabolic

459
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: rate went up in response to the to the dropping

460
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: temperature like a basically like when you started shivering and

461
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: getting like not relaxed. And they had I think they

462
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: had like an angus in there. He tapped out at

463
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: like ten degrees um. The Scottish Highland cattle tapped out,

464
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: the Tibetan yak tapped out the coldest they could get

465
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: that context container was negative forty, and the buffalo was

466
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: still relaxing. But I'm telling you a muskox smoked that thing.

467
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't find his body, you know what

468
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: I'm saying, When he's laying there dead. You can't. If

469
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: you can't get your hand to where it's touching leather,

470
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: like where you parted, Like if you're looking at your

471
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: dog to find ticks, you can't do that with the muscox.

472
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: You can't find him underneath there. It's really hard to

473
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: tell what isn't there. You know, it's very thick, which

474
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: you guess that we were just packing that we checked

475
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: in the hide already at Alaska air And how's that hideway? Yeah,

476
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: I threw it on the Yeah, the hide no hooves

477
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: on it. So this is a hide cut from the ankle,

478
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: skinned out and clean skinned. I mean not a scrap

479
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: of fat or meat on that hide. That hideway pounds well,

480
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: Hilayer scan too is super dance too, way thick fact

481
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 1: fat leather the biggest thing I'll say this like as

482
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: begin to this discussion, my muskuts, I just want to

483
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: cut right to the main primary point and and and

484
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: leading up to this hunt, not the primary point, but

485
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: just something that this is gonna tea off a whole

486
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: of the conversation leading up to this hunt. I was

487
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: sorry to this dude who was saying, it's not really

488
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: a hunt, it's like an experience. And when we're out,

489
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: I had observed to someone how all animals have like

490
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: a vulnerability um that we exploit when we hunt them.

491
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: You know, deer are suckers for alfalfa and shelled corn

492
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 1: right um. Turkeys when they're breeding, they're very vocal, uh

493
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: right everything sure kind of find your weakness. And that's

494
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: how ducks are gregarious. Ducks want to be around other ducks,

495
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: so you play that against them. He makes sounds of

496
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: sound like a duck. You put out some fake ducks.

497
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: Duck can't help himself. He's gotta go check it out.

498
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: You know. Generally the thing you exploit on the musk

499
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: ox is they just got nowhere to go for one,

500
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: and they'll bunch up when they're threatened. They'll they'll bunch

501
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: up and stand around, and it's easy to see how

502
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: dudes wipe them out. They got nowhere to go, you know,

503
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: and they can't really put on miles very fat, like

504
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: not that fat, not like most stuff can put on miles.

505
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: So this guy was saying, the hunts more of the experience,

506
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: and I can say that it is, and I would

507
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: almost haven't done it now. I would almost say that

508
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: it's not really a hunt. But what makes it like

509
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: the hunting the animal? I wouldn't say it's really like

510
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: a hard hunt. What makes it what it is is

511
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: the conditions you're dealing with and the getting to the

512
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: place you're going to and being in the place you're

513
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: going to. It's tough, Like how would you guys sort

514
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: of describe the cold and wind it's full tundra, negative

515
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: below with that wind. The win chill what was it

516
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: called we saw I think negative it was negative ten,

517
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: no win chill. Yeah, that's just that was just air

518
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: temperature with the winds with Yeah, yesterday it was I

519
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: mean there was guys like the thirty and so I

520
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: just I mean, I think who knows what the win

521
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: shill was, probably negative. I mean it was cold. You're

522
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: in the middle of the Baring Sea, so the humidity

523
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: level is way high. It's like the comparing Michigan ten

524
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: degrees to Montana ten degrees. That Michigan ten degrees is

525
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: way but this is way different. Yeah, like this island

526
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: is not. It's hard. At times. We're fishing cod tom

527
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: cod through the ice. I couldn't tell when I was

528
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: land around ice. Yeah, it's all just a big white

529
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: blanket that's undulating. It's like I feel like we aren't

530
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: we kind of drilling a hole over the dirt. You

531
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: realize that you are. It's like there's no real protective

532
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: buffer on land, no vegetation. Well, I mean there's tundra,

533
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: but nothing to block the wind. The wind howls and

534
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: the funny thing is like they've they've got you know,

535
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: sand dunes, but they're made of snow. Yeah it's nice

536
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 1: and you know it's soft, but those are I mean

537
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: those are sand. You know, there's snow dunes just blasted

538
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: by the wind. There's move just as you know a

539
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: sand dune would on the beach. But it's just white,

540
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: blistering cold. I was wearing just just this is just

541
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: the girls stand around. I was wearing bunny boots. Bunny

542
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: boots are like government issue cold weather Korean war boots,

543
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: which are rated to negative sixty three degrees fahrenheit, which

544
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, who should go ahead and just jump in

545
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: and promote some bunny boots because if anybody does any

546
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: cold by their activities and need some cold boots, and

547
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: you're not gonna really hike too far in spend the bucks,

548
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: get some military serapost bunny boots, and you will not

549
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: be disciplined. There really isn't. No one makes a boot

550
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: that can go. No one makes an equivalent. There is

551
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: no equivalent. And the other thing is it's sealed rubber,

552
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: so like we always warm ice fishing, because you can't

553
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: you can fill the boot up with water, but the

554
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: water can't get to the insulation. It's it's wool sealed

555
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: between rubber bunny boots. If you like bunny boots, these

556
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: big gass white boots to actually have a pressure valve

557
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: on the side that you need to like open when

558
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: you're flying so you don't burst the boot. When I

559
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: was a kid, there were five bucks. I mean, we

560
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: just had bunny boots. Man, five bucks apiece. Now they're

561
00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: what yeah, something like that, and they got like instructions

562
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: written on them. It says like double lace to hold firmly,

563
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: and then it says, um, open valve when airborne. And

564
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: they're white, they're great. Yeah nothing nothing. I mean running

565
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: on them was terrible and yeah, yeah you sweat. They're

566
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: not for walking. Man. People call Mickey mouse boots too.

567
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: But then I was here and like black, I didn't

568
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: know this till recently. If you see black bonny boots,

569
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: which are Mickey mouse boots, they're not. I thought it's

570
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: just you could get them in black or in white.

571
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: But black is not as cold rated as white blacks

572
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: negative twenty. White's negative sixty something, which is one of

573
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: the few things in life that's actually true, because like

574
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: when someone tells you sleeping bags rated for negative tent.

575
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: They're lying. That's the survival rating though, Yeah, the comfort

576
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: ratings probably like yeah, survival rating, like I always go,

577
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, I are you sleeping bag? That's probably

578
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: like I'll generally go ten or twenty degrees off of

579
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: what they're saying. Is the rating for me? It's my

580
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: legs get cold anyways. These boots are legit war mask.

581
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: Never been had such comfortable feet out in towns like that.

582
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, So I'm running around and like thick Marino

583
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: blend socks, Bunny boots, Marino ljs. Then like h are yeah,

584
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: I kind of sweat panty thing down pants. Then like

585
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: the new first Light bibs way call him Sanctuary, which

586
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: are some heavy nice bibs synthetic installation. Then I got

587
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: a Marino bass layer, a Marino hoodie, a flee shirt,

588
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: the same first Light type Sanctuary jacket. Then a giant

589
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: down puffy, a net gator, a face mask, another face mask,

590
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: a fur hat, gloves and beaver fer mittens and goggles

591
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: and goggles. And at that point you're feeling pretty bulletproof,

592
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: like you're just not cold. Did you get cold ice fishing? Oh? Yeah,

593
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: my feet dicks. I was kneeling for so long, and

594
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: but then I'd sweat it up my boots. My boots

595
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: are sweaty right now. Um, it's just cold, man, Like

596
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, that's the coldest I mean, the

597
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: coldest to this point that I've ever experienced. I think

598
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: was when we were in Montana for ELK and I

599
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: was like, I think it was like five when we're

600
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: in the wall teeth, Yeah, I mean at night. But

601
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: when we're out in the in the environment, hunting and stuff.

602
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: I mean, those are the coldest temperatures I've ever experienced it.

603
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: So I had never This is the first time I've

604
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: ever felt negative temperatures. Yeah, but what was wicked about

605
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: It's almost more wicked Montana because you gotta move, you

606
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: gotta climb new backs flat and you're on snow machines

607
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: so you can get all bundled up. And if you're conservative, dude,

608
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: we we walked a little ways. I was poor and sweat, man.

609
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: But out there when it's so cold, if you watch

610
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: those guys, they have like the chupic man. They have

611
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: like a you don't see a lot of people jogging

612
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: around town. They're like very purposeful movements. Man, you're playing

613
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: in the head like there's this this tentativeness pervades about

614
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: what the weather is doing. I remember, like the day

615
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: we got there, a kid had gone out. He was

616
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: going on a snow machine to fish. He's going to

617
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: fish Dolly Varden's and he was coming back. I'm like,

618
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: We're like, oh, you got fishing. He said, we called

619
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: it off because they had seen some some kind of

620
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: weather thing. You know, anybody else would have been like that,

621
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: let's go anyways. But just like you know, deep respect

622
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: for the weather man, like you do stuff when the

623
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: weather says it's okay to do it, yeah, you know,

624
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: not bashful about it. It's not like they don't try

625
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: to act like those dudes don't try to act like

626
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: like we'll try to act like, hell, I'm going anyway, man,

627
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: can't hold me back. You know, they're like, no, the

628
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: weather is no good, I'm not going. We're going to

629
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: weathers because you know how much it sucks. Because they know, man,

630
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. Man. Yeah, nature will uh you know, put

631
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: you on your ass in an instant. Oh it's deadly.

632
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: And they're travel long distances on snow machines, so you

633
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: might be like, oh, yeah, they're hunting off snow machines,

634
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: but would be kind of like saying like, yeah, but dude,

635
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: you're hunting out of a truck because you drive to

636
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: where you start hunting there, hunting fifty miles away, miles

637
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: away from the village. So you might think like you

638
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: might all feel like proud of yourself because you hike

639
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: in a mile to where you hunt. But if you're

640
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: hunting twenty six miles from your house and you drive

641
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: in a car twenty five miles and then walk one,

642
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: I don't feel proud of yourself because you walk them

643
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: out to where you hunt. I don't know, is snow

644
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: machining twenty six miles in negative temperatures like that gravy? No,

645
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: not at all, It's really not. It's like it's a

646
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: difficult place to be out in, you know, and that

647
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: really plays into how you hunt. It's like a difficult

648
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: place to be out in, you know. So there's this

649
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: sort of like they're like in that covid not accustomed

650
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: to it, and then being out and you're in a

651
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: strange place and it's sea ice, which looks like not

652
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: like a frozen hockey pond. I mean it's just like

653
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: a jumble of ice piled up is out there in

654
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: the wind. I don't know. You get like this, I

655
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: don't want to say like a feeling of danger, but

656
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: you get a feeling of as an outside or you

657
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 1: get a feeling of being on on the edge of something.

658
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: It's like another planet. Yeah it is. And the guys

659
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: that lived there are not flipping about it, but they're

660
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: probably more parent, not paranoid, more cautious, you know, respectful. Oh,

661
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: then we would be, for sure, and yeah, until you

662
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: gain their respect. So do you think if if somebody said, okay,

663
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: we'll go hunt to mus cocks and then they just

664
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: dropped you there, you know, you would obviously wouldn't have

665
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: the same approach as you do now. Having done it,

666
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: just start beating the ground. Yeah, just like I'm gonna

667
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: walk over there and look around and find them and

668
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: get them. It's it's hard, it's hard to picture how

669
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: you do it. You would just have to travel, just

670
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: like Arctic ski explorers do. Now. You have to travel

671
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: with the sled behind you on skis and you have

672
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: to be packing. You know, whether it's Arctic ovens or

673
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what. The alcohol still there's no wood

674
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: to burn. Yeah, you travel with the alcohol stove like

675
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: we got for our our We have an arcticle of intent,

676
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: and we got a thing called like the heat. Pal's

677
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: like a sailboat. Heater burns d nature to alcohol, but

678
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: to keep warm. In those conditions, you're gonna be going

679
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: through a at least the court of alcohol a night.

680
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: And how are you gonna get everything back if you

681
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: don't one It's like, yeah, then here's this seven hundred,

682
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,959
Speaker 1: seven hundred pound bull laying there and you snow you

683
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: you skied thirty miles out of the village. They're excited

684
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: if they can find a musk ox within twelve miles

685
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: of mccoriack. Let's talk about mccoyak for a minute. Like

686
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: when the Russia, Like when the when the Russians first

687
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: made contact with the Chupick, they said there was four

688
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: hundred people living on nu Nevak and something like seventeen

689
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: villages or something. Yeah, that's what I are in. People

690
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: were living at every river mouth. Now there's two hundred

691
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: people in one village. Later something, they go to some

692
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: of those old villages now and now they're just they're

693
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: not are just called fish camps. Oh, is that what

694
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: they met my fish camp? Yeah? Once like church, a

695
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: church came, a school came, people got centralized. Later there

696
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: someone came and estimated there were seven people living in

697
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: like far fewer villages, when far more people after the

698
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: Russians first made outside contact. Um, so now everybody McCory, McCory, yuck.

699
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: Everyone on the island lives in mccorrey. It's about two

700
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: hundred people. It's just like on the spit of snow

701
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: out in the Buring Sea. And what's interesting about it

702
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: is it's like they still live very much. I mean,

703
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: it's you know, everybody's got a TV. Right, there's electricity,

704
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: surface level stuff like very modern existence. But underneath it

705
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: is that it's still subsistence lifestyle. Um. They hunt seals,

706
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: they hunt walrusks, They do subsistence fishing. They eat stuff

707
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: that Americans won't eat easily, like chum salmon. You know,

708
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: people are as like talking about fresh salmon. They don't

709
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: catch their salmon. They fished chums for food for human consumption.

710
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: They fished chumps after the chumps have spawned, and they

711
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: looked like hell, they got fungus all over their fins.

712
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: Then they net him to eat him because they the

713
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: less fat on the fish allows it to dry. They

714
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: eat dried fish dipped in seal oil a lot, which

715
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: is something we ate kind of um. One day after

716
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: we hunted muskoks, we went out to fish and fish

717
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: called tom cod. We went, I mean, how close were

718
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 1: we to the bank, just like took forever to drill.

719
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: We had a dull spun. I don't even if it

720
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: was basically trying to sput a hole to drinking straw man,

721
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: it's like a bunker metal like crow bar. I mean,

722
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: I guess crowbar even sharp sharper crow bars way sharp,

723
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: was blunt two ft right, slowly chiseled ahole. You couldn't

724
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: have pulled a can of beer up through that whole

725
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: well like, but it's star and wide by the time

726
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: that something bitch got through the bottom of the ice.

727
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: You couldn't have shoved a beer. Can't do it. And

728
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: that was the second hole, the first hall. Just Peter,

729
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: oh yeah, hit dirt right, yeah, oh yeah. We chilled.

730
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: We chiseled another hole and got down to the ice.

731
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 1: Ended that dirt. There's no like water colmn or he dice.

732
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: So he go to drill the second hole, and he's

733
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: got a rig where he's got like a stick with

734
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,479
Speaker 1: some line wound around two dowels punched into the stick

735
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: at perpendicular angle to the dowel, and there was a

736
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: handful of beads on there in a banana. So it's

737
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: like it runs from the monofilment to a barrel swivel.

738
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 1: Then there's like five or six beads, no banana. Wait,

739
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: then five or six beads in a big gass rusty,

740
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: dull trouble hook. He lowers that thing down that home.

741
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, dude, ain't gonna work out. Pops

742
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: the tom cod within seconds. It was so fast. We

743
00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: set out there and caught thirty time cod just like

744
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: sometimes this fasting pum out of the ice. And it's

745
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: right with the tide, right, I mean the yeah, he said,

746
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: like tide tide fluctuations affected, and whenever the tide change,

747
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: you could hear like boulders and stuff moving under an ice.

748
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: There's a dull thud resonating through the ground. This dude,

749
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 1: we like when you hunt the nune of that hunt,

750
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: you have to hire a guide um or, or you

751
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,479
Speaker 1: have to hire what's called a transporter because the only

752
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: way to get on nune of back is you have

753
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: to land on native land. Most of the island is

754
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: what what's the refuge. It's the Yukon Delta National Wildlife Refuge.

755
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: So Yanna speak to about the land ownership issues, who

756
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: owns what where we could hunt where normal dudes can hunt,

757
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: because it's kind of interesting because we always have to

758
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: get film permits to hunt public land, usually cost us

759
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: anywhere from thousands to two thousand dollars for a week

760
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: long shoot to be on to be filling publicly. This

761
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: is a commercial commercial use permit, yeah, because we're gonna

762
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: take the footage and then sell it. Um. This was

763
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: a national Wildlife refuge, which we've had permits before in

764
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: the past. But what we didn't realize is that on

765
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: New bac Um most of the refugees wilderness as well,

766
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: and so they don't really give out commercial film permits

767
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: or any kind of commercial permit on wilderness too much.

768
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: And so you can guide hunters out there, yes, kind

769
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: of just like you can in the Bob Marshall. This

770
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: is a side note to what I think is like

771
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: a seriously bullshitty thing on part of the federal government

772
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: is that you can get a permit in the Bob

773
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: Marshall Wilderness Area to every day march up twenty tourists

774
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: on horseback, load them on the rafts, raft them down

775
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: the river, have a giant base camp set up at

776
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: the trailhead generators running hauling in horse feed every day

777
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: all summer long. And that's a okay commercial use. But

778
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: two dudes and the camera can't go in there. Well,

779
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: it's such bullshit. They are reworking the rules and the rags. Yeah,

780
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: but you want to talk about high impact US, hear you,

781
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 1: But I think those those rules are written for back

782
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: in the day when any when basically if someone's gonna

783
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: come to film, it was gonna be like a big

784
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: highwood production, yea setting up fake western town and they're like, no,

785
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: we don't want that understanding. Now it's different. You can

786
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: go in there and film a show like you just said,

787
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: with a couple of guys, a couple of cameras. Yeah,

788
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: because like an outfitter. And I'm not I'm not hacking.

789
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the outfitters shouldn't be able to do it.

790
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: But outfitter could be like he's got wall tent camp

791
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: set up every which way, packing and dudes on horses right,

792
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: setting up full on little villages out there, electrified wires

793
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: to keep grizzlies out, stacks of hey, cutting fire would

794
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: and you can't be out there with the backpack and

795
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: a handicamp. Do they still make andicamps? You can't be

796
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: out there with the backpack and a camera. You can

797
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: as long as you're not gonna Yeah, but we're talking

798
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: about commercial use. The guys running those rafting companies where

799
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: they're hauling in thirty people every day, they'll float down

800
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: rafts aren't out there for for charity. No, It just

801
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: it just seems like it just strikes me as being

802
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: not fair. There's a case to be made, and we're

803
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: gonna work on it. We're gonna so at the refuge,

804
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: they're actually reviewing their film permit process and so we

805
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: couldn't even apply for a permit, so we can't film

806
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: the whole the new the Tupic. This is something I

807
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: don't want to get into, but but Native communities are

808
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: organized into corporations in Alaska. It's not like the reservation

809
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: system in the lower forty eight Native communities through the

810
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,959
Speaker 1: Native Claim Settlement Act, which is put it under Carter

811
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: have corporations where Native community members are shareholders in the

812
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: corporation and sort of their world as run as a corporation.

813
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: They own this big long strip across the north shore

814
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: of New to Back. Yeah, it's like anywhere I think

815
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: from like one to three miles from the shore line inland.

816
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: For how many miles is that thing run? I think

817
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: about thirty basically from mccoyak to nash Harbor. And uh

818
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: when I applied, when I first applied for the permit

819
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: trying to get it, it has some spots that that

820
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: are James Whitman are outfit or had told me we're

821
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: gonna hunt. The dude came back and said, oh, well,

822
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: all that stuff's on NEMA Corporation land, So you guys

823
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: can film there as much as you want as long

824
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: as NEMA will let you. And uh so they did.

825
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: We paid a trespascity and uh they signed a location

826
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: released for us and we basically had to find a

827
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: muskox on that land if you guys were going to

828
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: get to see us hunt Muskox, which is a big

829
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: chunk of land, but it's like right from what we

830
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: lay there found out is that as the season progresses,

831
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: there's muskoks like a couple of miles from town. The

832
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: first day of the hunt, you know, when the first

833
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: dudes come in, and then as those animals are hunted hastle,

834
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: they just moved farther south. Farther south. Its basically getting

835
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: away from mc quoak. And so by the time we

836
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: were the last group on the island to hunt Muskokah,

837
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: no one was out there hunting when we were out there. No.

838
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of locals. Yeah, yeah, doing

839
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: their hunt, but there's no more. Um. The day we

840
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: actually got out, some dudes were leaving on a snow

841
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: machine to go hunta kow. They blew past and smell.

842
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: Those guys had rain bibs. I don't remember. He was

843
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: ready to the clients that James had previous to us

844
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: killed his muskoks based on the southern tip of the island,

845
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: fifty miles one direction away from the town. Was just out.

846
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: I thought that was combined. No, man, he did. He

847
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: did the hunter miles on a snow machine that day.

848
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: So thank goodness, we probably found the only bowl. Yeah.

849
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: I was doing some serious praying, you know. I don't

850
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: pray too often, but I was praying that we could

851
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: find Who are you directing them to? Huh? Just the universe.

852
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: You're praying to the universe for muskoks to be on

853
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 1: the land. The bull muscots the other suit. What's way

854
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: more interesting than hunting muskox is hunting walters. And these

855
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: guys go out um when the ice starts to break

856
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: up in late spring, they go out and hunt walrus.

857
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: They look for They cruise around their boats trying to

858
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 1: find walrus that are hauled out on the ice floes.

859
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: And a walors weighs two thousand pounds and they kill

860
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: him on the two twenty three in the Heady was

861
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 1: gonna go kill his cow muscots two in the head, Yeah,

862
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: he said, you hit that walrus right, and he kind

863
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: of showed me where you gotta hit it. He said

864
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: it just crumples. And he hunt seals the same way.

865
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: Hit him in the head of the two twenty three

866
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: close range and pile them up. And then he jacked

867
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: that water's up on the ice. If he falls in

868
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: the water and you start chopping up a two thousand

869
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: pound critter, the butcher on the ice, they don't they

870
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: don't hold on the butt. I'd like to get involved

871
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: in that. Yeah, we really wanted to. Unfortunately we're just

872
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: a little too early. It sounds like the sea on

873
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: the waters huntings in about another month. Yeah, So we

874
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: went out on fish these Tom Catt and he was

875
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: showing us a traditional thing they eat where like a

876
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: tom cuts about if you're familiar with lake perch. Tom

877
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: cuts as big as a lake perch. It looks just

878
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: like a damn cod. But it's like the size of

879
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: a perch, you know, like eight ten inches twelve inches

880
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: for a big one, big fatty, and they take a

881
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: they free I mean the fish freezes rock ass solid

882
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: the minute you pulled out of the water. But they

883
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: take the fish, take a h knife and cut, not flaze,

884
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: just shave off pieces of the fish frozen solid, and

885
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: then just dip it in seal oil and eat it.

886
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: And our guide's wife, our guide was born out there.

887
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: A wife is you know, Chupicka was born there. She

888
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: was saying that her father had explained that if you

889
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,959
Speaker 1: just lived on tom Codd you would starve to death.

890
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: But if you ate Tom Codd dipped in seal oil,

891
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: you can stay alive and I asked her if that

892
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: was something that in his generation was a reality, and

893
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: she said, oh, yes, like they you know they could

894
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: at that time. We're still, you know, just in her

895
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: father's lifetime face starvation. She had a picture of her

896
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: father hanging on the wall dressed completely in skins, you know,

897
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: boots up, m now the most common skin. I did't

898
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: me see his sealskin hats, which Janni actually bought very close.

899
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't our style. Yeah, it's just flashed me a

900
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: look to suggested, don't want to talk about the Seals

901
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: getting No. No, I have no problem at all sharing

902
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: the story. You know, it's pretty interesting. It was. It

903
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:20,479
Speaker 1: was tense negotiation, so to you when you guys talking,

904
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: when of you guys don't. I wasn't even there. I

905
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: was sick. Steve was laid up. Yeah, I had like

906
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,959
Speaker 1: I had gas thrown testinal issues much of the time

907
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: I was out there. No, we can bring we got

908
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: to town. Everybody's wearing these great looking Seal skin hats.

909
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:42,959
Speaker 1: You know Ray's got a beard, no ribbon ribbon seal, yeah,

910
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: which she said is a rare seal to run into

911
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: a big gassars And James was wearing a bearded bearded Well,

912
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: that's kind of what we've seen. Oh and in town

913
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 1: here in Baffle, we had seen some beaver hats, Steve

914
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: rocking new beaver hat coin and our Corey and I

915
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: are like, all right, cool, when's next time we're gonna

916
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: be that's old beaver hat. You guys are on the hunt.

917
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: I mean you're like, yeah, you guys are like that. Yeah,

918
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: you guys are cuting. We pull people all over on

919
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: the streets and ask if we could take a picture.

920
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: Let me try it on. Yeah. Yeah. The Korean dude

921
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: selling twenty dollar hamburgers, he had an amazing fur hat

922
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: and he said he paid three hundred bucks for it,

923
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you got ripped, But then I realized

924
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 1: he didn't get ripped at all. No, dude, a bag

925
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: of zip, a bag of like bad zip blocks up

926
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: here as eight bucks. Man, he's man, he's is twelve dollars,

927
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: which is that's sanity. If you want to ride a

928
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: cab across the street, it's twenty everywhere everything three three dollars. Yeah,

929
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: As the guy explained, a cab driver was trying to

930
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: explain how expensive Where is the cab driver from Korean. Yeah,

931
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: most of the cab drivers were finding our Albanian creature

932
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: was a Korean segment of the cab driving population. He

933
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: was trying to explain how expensive everything wasn't explained to

934
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: these guys that it's not double, it's three double. That

935
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: was a catchphrase for the hunt. What was So we

936
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: basically are are told that you know, a relative, um

937
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: someone skin make these hats for us, like sweet, we

938
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: would make you a steal hat, steal hat, you know,

939
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: beaver trim. So we're literally looking at one hat thinking

940
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: like all right, this is the hat we're getting made,

941
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: and it's like very like okay, you guys sure you

942
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: want it? Like yeah, cool, We're kind of ask him

943
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: like it. And it's a very muted the seal skin

944
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: is very muted. I'm the one you're looking at. Yes,

945
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: it's like a dull gray some black markings. Yeah, it's

946
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 1: a muted color. It's real subtle. And as they age,

947
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: the hair stands up on them on the skin itself,

948
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: so it's really a blonde kind of a fuzz to it,

949
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: almost yeah, dirty blonde though dishwater blonde, brown blonde. So

950
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: three or four days into it, we're told that Hey,

951
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: both the hats are ready, let's go. You guys need

952
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: to go over there to take your hat side to

953
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: right by the measurements. No, no, we didn't do that

954
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: because they gotta pay. I was a little nervous about that.

955
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: It was basically like, yeah, you want a large, medium,

956
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: or small, you know. So we tried on a few

957
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: other hats and said, okay, it's large, I'll probably be

958
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: a small one. Was the most nerve wracking part was

959
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 1: is it gonna fit? You know? So when he said

960
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: you're supposed to go over and look at the hat, no, no, no,

961
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: we need to go over and buy that. As they're

962
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: ready for you to buy, you put your order in.

963
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: And so I've been looking. In two thousand and twelve,

964
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: i lived in Fairbanks. I saw a lot of these

965
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: hats there as well too. I almost bought one there,

966
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: the same hat steal hat with the beaver trim. Some

967
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: of them had like almost like a thicker wolf lining,

968
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, that would give you a little more uh,

969
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,479
Speaker 1: you know, wind protection. So I've been in the market

970
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: because I feel like sitting on a really high glass

971
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 1: and tit when the winds howling, like you glass forever

972
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: wearing that hat. Yeah, yeah, we I should point out

973
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: there is no hat warmer than a fur hat. Yeah,

974
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: like there hasn't been matt Like, no one has matched

975
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: like my beaver fur hat. It's like no one has

976
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: matched that with a synthetic material. It's like the subtraffics.

977
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: It's just like, you know, you can't hear any you

978
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: can't hear anything. You can anything, But anyway, we walk

979
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes across, you know, a couple of

980
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: through back but the back alleys in the quick and

981
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 1: into another house. No cameras aloud, we were told, And

982
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: there are these hats and they are spotted seal. So

983
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: it's like this blonde, bright blonde base with basically black

984
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: spotchy kind of poking. It's like it's like almost almost leparty.

985
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: And instead of being like a natural beaver on the

986
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what you call that part of the hat,

987
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: it's basically the forehead. I don't know if it's an accent,

988
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: if it's actually technically does something and maybe it keeps

989
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: your forehead warmer, but it's a second layer of beaver

990
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: on the hat. It's died black, like died shiny black.

991
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: Didn't say tourist on it just right, it said Gaper,

992
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: I think and uh yeah, mine was I don't know,

993
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: trimmed and rabbit yours. Corey's is trimmed and something that

994
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: couldn't be identified by anybody in the room and not

995
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: know what it was made up. Tell that part of

996
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: the stories. That's interesting. Yeah, so we're like looking at

997
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: him now, we're like, man, like, this is not what

998
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: we thought we were getting, and like, I want to

999
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: see this skin hat. I want to wear it. I

1000
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 1: want to pay It looked like something like Liberace would

1001
00:58:53,440 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: have ordered. Yeah some gal and yeah, a female and

1002
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: asthen is not gonna wear a seal skin hat one.

1003
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: It's very style. I mean, it's beautiful. I mean just

1004
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: because the whole thing, because they know that the seal

1005
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: had died, they'd like first oh yeah, alright, I'm staying corrected.

1006
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Um. So anyways, we've we've we've entered

1007
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: this sort of you know, contractual you know, verbal agreement,

1008
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: but having these hats made for us. So how well

1009
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: when you first walked in there, she was just like, oh,

1010
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: I worked non stop. She was like she was shaking

1011
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: her hands and she was she was elderly, and she

1012
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: she was just like, I've been working non stop for

1013
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: two days to make these hats pieces to make sure

1014
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: that you got them before you left. So I mean, like,

1015
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, the pressure is on nows like these are yours?

1016
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: Top ball off. We just we were getting ready to

1017
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: actually go shoot outside to catch you know, just shoot

1018
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: shots of mcquarick. We're in like full down triple triple

1019
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: double no three double down, layers, bunny boots and everything

1020
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: walk into this house and how we get into this

1021
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: uncomfortable situation and like, you know, just as many close

1022
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: as you could possibly have on and we are sweating bullets,

1023
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: and finally I just had to be like, look, I

1024
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: don't want to disrespect you. We need to get out

1025
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: of this situation. And with enough talking, she finally offered

1026
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: up that said, hey, I don't want a discount for you.

1027
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: Don't buy him at a discount. I can sell them

1028
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: somewhere else. And we basically ended it with that. It

1029
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: wasn't miscommunity. Well, well, then her husband comes in and

1030
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: like and everything it kind of like found like a

1031
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: nice resolve, that's right, And he comes in and he

1032
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: introduces himself and then he sits down. He's like, he's like,

1033
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: what's wrong with these hats? What's wrong with you guys?

1034
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: Why why don't you like these hats? Like getting you know,

1035
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: kind of offended that they didn't like them or they

1036
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: didn't want to purchase them. Yeah, you boys wanted He's like,

1037
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? Says He's perfectly fine, you boys

1038
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: want to seal. You gotta see the moral story is

1039
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: if you want to ribbon seal, hey, you gotta stay

1040
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: ribbon seal exactly, You're exactly right, You are exactly right,

1041
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: or bearded seal. And then she had a lot of

1042
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: other things, but it's there is definitely a little feeling

1043
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, remember we're in like a very small

1044
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: town of two hundred people were on an island, like

1045
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: we are outsiders, we need to play this very Yes,

1046
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: we want to get out of here. Wasn't the diplomacy? Yeah,

1047
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: but I understand too, because these these hats are not

1048
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: um cheap no three ducks three hundred bucks. Yeah, so

1049
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: just so listeners realized we're talking about a three hundred

1050
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: dollar hat and for three hund bucks you should get

1051
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: what you want. Yeah, you know, because it's certainly it's

1052
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: a very it's vastly inflated. You know. The dude that

1053
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: one of my the dude that one of my um

1054
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: A guy wanted one of my rifles, seventeen caliber rifle.

1055
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: And when I talked about how maybe I would probably

1056
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: his seals can had out of him for it, he

1057
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: didn't act like that was any kind of sacrifice on

1058
01:01:55,640 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: his part whatsoever. You know, I think seals can as

1059
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: grow on trees, the spot of ones apparently, but they're

1060
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:12,439
Speaker 1: sweet looking. Man. The official ones are badass either way.

1061
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: Corey and I are still sealskin hatless. Yeah, the I

1062
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: just wouldn't. I wish we could identified what was the

1063
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: interior of here is Corey, because I think you can

1064
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: say it's like this this this made a dog. I

1065
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: think it was dog, some sort of dog. Another thing

1066
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: they got going on out here, which is cool, is

1067
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: you go? So there are no native Noonavak has no

1068
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: large native land mammals um for native animals, native land mammals.

1069
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: They have a variety of small voles and things um

1070
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: Arctic fox, red fox. It's about it like a red

1071
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: fox is the biggest native land land mammal they have

1072
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: out there, but for for a long time, they've had

1073
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: a herd of reindeer and they have muskoks and muskoks

1074
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: while they were in like historically they were inland, they weren't.

1075
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem that they were actually on now Nevac.

1076
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: They were inland, but they weren't on the island. Um

1077
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: the island. At one time they had mammoth and all

1078
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. But you know, when the when the

1079
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,919
Speaker 1: sea levels were much much lower, but when the sea

1080
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: levels rose, and that in the Bearing Sea, which is

1081
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: very a shallow ocean, was just like a you know,

1082
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: a grassland steppe environment. They had many animals, water level rolls,

1083
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: things turned to tunder. Eventually no big stuff out there.

1084
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: But now they got muskots, reindeer and they you know,

1085
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: a reindeer is like the term reindeer is sort of

1086
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: a eura, like a reindeer is a Eurasian caribou. People

1087
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: talk about different species of cariboo woodland, mountain, um, barren ground,

1088
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: but a geneticist doesn't even geneticis don't even really draw

1089
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: a distinction between reindeer or the European caribou and the

1090
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: cariboo that we have here. But in regards that they

1091
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:19,439
Speaker 1: have a reindeer population, so seedstock of the animals came

1092
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: from Europe, and they're like a domestic critter out there.

1093
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: They don't do any agriculture. They just feed on tundra.

1094
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: They live a wildlife. I guess what makes them domestic

1095
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: as they round them up with snow machines and slaughter them.

1096
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: And the way they do their slaughtering is about maybe

1097
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: like three and a half four miles from the village,

1098
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: and they slaughter reindeer on what is the biggest lake

1099
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: on the island, and the lakes frozen solid, and again

1100
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know you're on a lake. It just looks

1101
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: like snoggerware and flat stuff, but you're on a lake.

1102
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: They drive They built these big drive line fences like

1103
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: funnel fences. They go out on snow machines and push

1104
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: the reindeer out onto this ice, shoot all the reindeer

1105
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: in the head of the I'm assuming with the twenty

1106
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: two or two twenty three apparently kill all the reindeer,

1107
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: and then everybody in the village buys reindeer. This year,

1108
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: I think the going price is two bucks from reindeer

1109
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: for a reindeer. That's just like what they pay, so

1110
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: like that's what a community member pays to access one

1111
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: of the reindeer that's owned by the community. And there's

1112
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: some commercial slaughtering going on too, or some guy is

1113
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: shooting reindeer and then shipping the meat out, so they

1114
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: butcher these reindeer out on the ice and they're just

1115
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: pulling meat off, like all the heads, all the horns,

1116
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: all the hides are just laying out on the ice.

1117
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: Spring comes, ice melts, and all that stuff just goes

1118
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: into the lake. They've been doing this for decades and

1119
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: decades and decades, and I think if you wanted to

1120
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: make the weirdest video ever, you would go to that

1121
01:05:54,600 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: lake and snarkle around or scuba dive around filming decades

1122
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: worth of caribou or decades worth of reindeer skulls and

1123
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: horns accumulated on the bottom of a tundra lake where

1124
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: nothing breaks down, nothing breaks down. It's pretty cool. I mean,

1125
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: that's what tundra is is just like vegetation that doesn't decompose.

1126
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: You know, it is probably the creepiest place on the planet.

1127
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: You couldn't wade through there. No, it's just so the

1128
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: ice is covered with slaughtered caribou bits and pieces, and

1129
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: like you go out there and it's just like red

1130
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: fox and Arctic fox just to come in and going

1131
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: out there. The Arctic fox coming off the sea ice,

1132
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: the red fox come off the island. I got one

1133
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: of each red fox in the Arctic fox, and um

1134
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: women was telling me that in the old days, when

1135
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: arctic fox is worth a hundred bucks, just sit out

1136
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: there in a little hut shooting artic fox and selling

1137
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: him and nothing he did for businesses. We're talking about

1138
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: fishing tom cod. He would call him to Bethel here,

1139
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: find out who wanted tom cotton. He'd sell frozen com

1140
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,919
Speaker 1: cod for two fifty pound, catch him through the ice,

1141
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: freeze him, send him by air to Bethel. We didn't

1142
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: catch five bucks for the tom cod at that price.

1143
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: You know. Now they fish halibut commercially out there. Did

1144
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: you notice any of the did you see any of

1145
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: those big big antler piles with the the skins and

1146
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: stuff that there was holes that the article or eat

1147
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: the artic of the red fox had dug underneath the piles.

1148
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: So essentially just had a little little little dan and

1149
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: they just like you know, probably just sit there and

1150
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: just like take a little snack from the roof and

1151
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: just take a nap and just wake up and just

1152
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: like eat from underneath. Yea, just like the and the

1153
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: stuff is frozen. Everything's frozen, soil rock card. They must

1154
01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: just rasp that stuff off. I don't know, I don't ever.

1155
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: I would be shocked if when I'm like dying, okay, Okay, yeah,

1156
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: I've been telling the people lately, I don't want to

1157
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: get in this too long. That's one point. If if,

1158
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: like at whatever age my kids are old enough for

1159
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: if I died a tragic death, it wouldn't screw them

1160
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: up psychologically. How old is that? Like, how old you

1161
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: gotta be? How old your kids need to be that

1162
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: you dye in tragically has a greatly reduced chance of

1163
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: screwing them up psychologically adults. Adults. So I got a

1164
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: one month old right now, and I'm forty one, so

1165
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 1: at age sixty, roughly you're gonna start at age sixty.

1166
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go die on K two. So when I'm

1167
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: laying there dying, if you if I'm laying there dying

1168
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: as a man who's been to now Nevak Island twice,

1169
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: I'll be shocked Mike's going back. I'll go back. I'll

1170
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: put it in. Why not. I I enjoyed my time there. Um,

1171
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: I enjoyed my time there. I'm very glad I went

1172
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: there to to have that experience. It's an animal I've

1173
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: always been curious about. It's a landscape that I'm curious about.

1174
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: I've read a lot about, you know, the baring scene

1175
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: in the Arctic. I've been a Browns Mary. I I

1176
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: am glad I went. But one, um, you are you

1177
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: would never overcome outsider status. No, you're not chupid, you

1178
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: got money. No, but you could marry in possibly if

1179
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: you live there, I think you'd overcome out side er status. Yeah,

1180
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: maybe not with everybody. But you're still the white guy.

1181
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: I mean they said that there was there was like,

1182
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: oh yeah, there used to be a white guy that

1183
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: lived here for five years. But I don't hold. I

1184
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: don't hold. I'm not I don't. I'm not even saying

1185
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: that as a negative. Man. I totally understand it, all right, Well,

1186
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: everybody everybody's like family. I mean it's literally like one

1187
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: giant family. Yeah, i'dn't understand. I just don't. I don't.

1188
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that I'm dying to go back well

1189
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: for the seal or for Walters. I would go back

1190
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: to hunt Walter. I would go back to go I

1191
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,719
Speaker 1: can't hunt walrus. I would go back to be present

1192
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: for a walrus hunt. I would go back to be

1193
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: present for a seal hunt, to witness it. Um, but

1194
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna apply for d x O O three

1195
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: the Muscots hunt because I didn't like it, or that

1196
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: something's wrong with it. It's just like it was. It

1197
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: was a once in a lifetime thing, not legally, but

1198
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,560
Speaker 1: like spiritually or something. It's like a once in a

1199
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: lifetime thing now for me, Like if I go down

1200
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: you know and hunting National forest land right all, Like

1201
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: when I walk out of there, all I want to

1202
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: do is go back and hunting in But I didn't

1203
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: get that feeling hunting muskots. Yeah, that's a good point.

1204
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: I felt like UM in large measure, Uh, I felt

1205
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 1: like an interloper out on the Muskot. I just felt Yeah,

1206
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like UM. I didn't feel like an

1207
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: ecological participant. I felt more like an ecological war year

1208
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 1: that because of the challenge. Yeah, it just was. It's

1209
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 1: not like it just not a kind of hunting that

1210
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm interested in doing. I mean, I'm glad I went.

1211
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: It's not a kind of honey, I'm interested in doing.

1212
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: What's kind of like if you know, I'm gonna go

1213
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: see the lead entire pizza. Once you've done it, what

1214
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: are you gonna go back and see it again? Yeah,

1215
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 1: I mean you know you really yeah right, but yeah,

1216
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: but it feels like that. But um, but most things,

1217
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 1: like a lot of hunting doesn't feel like that to me.

1218
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,560
Speaker 1: You know, like I'm dying to get back up in

1219
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 1: the Brooks Range and hunt moves because it's because that's

1220
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: gonna be a different adventure and tight you don't know

1221
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. I mean, this is kind of predictable,

1222
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: that's right. If you went back and hundred muskox, it

1223
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 1: would be the same thing. There's no I mean, the

1224
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: only thing that would be surprising is if you got

1225
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 1: caught in some nasty weather and got stuck out overnight,

1226
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, in the tuns and had to do some

1227
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: arctic survival. I mean, that would be which is never

1228
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 1: happened to our you know guide They're cautious doing it, yeah,

1229
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: because because they respect the land, because they know it,

1230
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: but there's more to it because even something as small

1231
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: and simple as like the gray squirrel, you're looking forward

1232
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: to your next grade squirrel. Absolutely. Yeah, I think there's

1233
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 1: no mystery when those boys go out, when they get

1234
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: a good weather day, they're going out and the muskox

1235
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: is gonna die. Mhm. You know you got four there's

1236
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 1: like four muskoks out on the island. The islands huge,

1237
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: like you know, I keep saying it's an island. There's

1238
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: no Lancet Island, but we're gonna saying the islands. Well,

1239
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: it's why does point close to seventy is the same

1240
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: size as Long Island? Roughly? Okay, so it's the island,

1241
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: but it's giant, right, But you have four kas out there,

1242
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: there's nowhere to really hide. When they go out, they're

1243
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 1: gonna get a muskas if the weather is good. So

1244
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, I don't know, man, it would be

1245
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: like I guess it's like going to the bar. Like

1246
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: when you're single, there's sort of an adventure to going

1247
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:34,560
Speaker 1: to the bar that probably doesn't exist. Going to a

1248
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 1: house of ill repute, you know what's gonna happen. It's

1249
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: kind of like Buffalo hunting outside of the Elstone. Yea

1250
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: almost same thing. But I put in for that tag

1251
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 1: every year, but once I draw it, I don't know

1252
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 1: if I mean I put it in for it all

1253
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: the time. But yeah, it's like they're either there or not.

1254
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: They're they're you're gonna kill them, But they're not hunting

1255
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: for novelty. They're hunting for food. Who the locals are

1256
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: new to that. I'm not talking about them, talking about

1257
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 1: me right for them? Yeah, it's a subsistence harvest. Yeah,

1258
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm talking. I'm trying to put into words why Sometimes

1259
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: I'll come back from my hunt and all I want

1260
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: to do is go do it again, Like, for instance,

1261
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 1: that hunt we did in the like hunting Cou's deer. Yeah,

1262
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 1: when were we down here? All right, sign me up, man, Yeah,

1263
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. I didn't even get a deer.

1264
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: Maybe and there in lines to catch. Maybe that's why

1265
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: I want to go because there's a level of uncertainty.

1266
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: But it's not like this is a secret, because you

1267
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,799
Speaker 1: can go on the Last Department of Fishing Games website

1268
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: and go look at success rates. So every year they

1269
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: give out X number tags. Let's say on a typical year,

1270
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: they give about thirty tags, you're go look and and

1271
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: be like they issued dirty tags. Twenty two dudes actually

1272
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 1: showed up and most of us to be like when

1273
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 1: he one killed the musk. Cos you know, so going

1274
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 1: into you're like, all right, you set aside a week,

1275
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 1: and the reason you're setting aside a week is you're

1276
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: trying to get a good weather day. We got lucky

1277
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 1: and had we like we had a day. We had

1278
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: a day we got stuck in Bethel. Couldn't even fly

1279
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: for it's a little bit complicated, but we couldn't have

1280
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: flown to Bethel. We couldn't have flown out there. Even

1281
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 1: that they couldn't even have flown out there. Definitely could

1282
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 1: have hunted that day, had another day when it wasn't

1283
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: good to hunt, had later, but the day we got

1284
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 1: there just so happened. We got there. It was a

1285
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: good hunt day. When those boys loading up those trailers

1286
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 1: and those snow machines, there was no doubt what was

1287
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: gonna happen that day we were killing the musks, you know.

1288
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 1: And but I don't know, man, Like if I went

1289
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 1: to my mom's house right now on September, opening day

1290
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: of Squirrel and I call Mrs Elder Rust and I said,

1291
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: Mrs hunt squirrels on your place. Not only do I

1292
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna get a squirrel, I'm gonna get the

1293
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: daily bag limit of five. They would take an act

1294
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: of God to for me to not get five. That's

1295
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 1: enjoyable to me. So is it that I don't know

1296
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: what it is? I'm gonna kill five squirrels. Absolutely, if

1297
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm out of Miles City, We're gonna go hunt cotton tails.

1298
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna kill cotton tails. I'm going out there next

1299
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: week to fish catfish. We're gonna knock the hell out

1300
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 1: of them. Is it not fun? Now, dude, I know

1301
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna catch catfish. Do you know what is it?

1302
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a mystery. It is the serenity

1303
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: wasn't there with loud snowmobiles and cold exercise. Maybe you're

1304
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: not in the driver's seat. It might be a guided

1305
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: hunt thing, because think about it like this. Say you've

1306
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: gone out there and it wasn't administered. It wasn't that

1307
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 1: you had to land on native land Okay, and it

1308
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: was just you could just have a pilot. He's got

1309
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: a plane on skis. You could fly around. You can't

1310
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 1: hunt the same day you fly. You flew around founder Herd,

1311
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: put down somewhere a couple miles or mile away, so

1312
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: you're not going to disturb him, set up camp, and

1313
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: then out on foot. You'd be like, I'm coming back, dude.

1314
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: That was a blast. You know, it's just the mechanics

1315
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 1: of the hunt itself. Just how long we've been talking

1316
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: for you? We're at an hour plus? All right, it's

1317
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: all you guys paid for us. One hour. We're gonna

1318
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: log out. Um a concluding thoughts, Mike, Texas is big.

1319
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 1: Mike's wants clarified just how big Texas is. I wish

1320
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,919
Speaker 1: you'd best of luck, best of luck in the muscock

1321
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 1: straw next year. Yeah, have you when you give your

1322
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: concluding thoughts right now, tell us where you're at on

1323
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 1: doing the muscart straw. Uh to be able to take

1324
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 1: part in it as a well, you know, you bring

1325
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: up some good points and screw it. I said, I'm

1326
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: just tring. I don't know what. I'm sorry, but I

1327
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: can't subtract us from my brain already in there. Um,

1328
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, like you said, it is

1329
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: a once in a a one lifetime kind of thing

1330
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: to do. It would be nice because you know, we

1331
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: took part in it, so I've you know, the whole

1332
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 1: operation and stuff, and so it's less of a mystery.

1333
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: So maybe I don't know if that's a bad thing

1334
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: or a good thing, But to do it yourself, I

1335
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: think would be kind of cool. I'd like to come,

1336
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: you know, bring my dad and like, you know, be

1337
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: able to share in that experience. It's a great experience

1338
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: because I mean there's no place that I've been to

1339
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: that's more I mean save the you know, southern slope

1340
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,759
Speaker 1: of the Brooks Ranch when they were there, just vast open,

1341
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: just it's bleak, but it has its own really like

1342
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 1: sharp edged beauty to it. And you know, there's something

1343
01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 1: about the landscape that is just so it's I mean,

1344
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: like I said, you know, it's like it's another planet

1345
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 1: and you'll never see I mean, you know that stuff

1346
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 1: like that doesn't exist in Texas as an owned as

1347
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 1: it is, as big as it is, it doesn't have

1348
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: that doesn't have arctic tundra snow dunes. So to be

1349
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: able to to or be able to experience that vicariously,

1350
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: to bring somebody else there would be pretty cool. You know,

1351
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 1: having the knowledge of being there and taking part in

1352
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 1: their in their community and stuff, and just you know,

1353
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 1: just in a cultural sense, being able to see how

1354
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 1: you know other people are. That's what's so great about

1355
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 1: this job, as you get to go all these different

1356
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 1: places and experience all these different people and stuff, and

1357
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: that's that's rewarding in itself, beyond the animal. So you're

1358
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: making me feel like a dick. Not for us that

1359
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 1: because everything you're saying, no, because I was trying to talk,

1360
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: you're shaming me on my own podcast. I was trying

1361
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: to speak to just the just hunt. Yeah, culturally right,

1362
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: I loved it. Okay, Yeah, granted there the hunt is

1363
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 1: its own kind of beast. You hit the nail on

1364
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: the head. It was the mechanics of the hunt. We

1365
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 1: can we can let that one lay rest. I mean,

1366
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, being there, dude eating frozen tom con dipped

1367
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: in seal oil. There are a few places wrap up

1368
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: the mike still doing as wrap up um, you know,

1369
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: because you know right now it's just such putting that

1370
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: the chances of actually drawing that tag, I mean, it

1371
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: would be more of just like, yeah, let's see what happens,

1372
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, throw on the wall seap of sticks, and

1373
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 1: then I would have to like, okay, you know if

1374
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: I did draw a tag, Okay, is this really going

1375
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 1: to happen? And then there would be a whole another

1376
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 1: process of like thinking about that and if actually pulled

1377
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 1: the turner on it. But you know, right now and

1378
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: just like a far off not real place like yeah,

1379
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 1: sure it might be kind of cool, but definitely not

1380
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: definitely not for the you know, the challenge of the hunt.

1381
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 1: For sure. I feel like there's a few places in

1382
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: the United States of America that are as exotic in

1383
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: both like landscape and culture and activity and animal That's

1384
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: what we just experienced. Put all those things together. Where

1385
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: else are you gonna go to really like get that

1386
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: far out of your comfort zone across the board like

1387
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: that not necessary comfort zone, but just like what you

1388
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: know about like we really mean, like even at the

1389
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: airport here in Bethel, dudes are talking you know, some

1390
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: dialect of Eskimo. Like it's the real deal. You're way

1391
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,560
Speaker 1: out here in Eskimo. It was shocking to be with

1392
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: people who are speaking cupid. Yeah, like you know, like

1393
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 1: these people are like into James. We we touched on

1394
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 1: the Tom cod in the seal oil. James Whitman's wife

1395
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: really never really hung out with us too much, didn't

1396
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 1: really eat with us even as pain clients. Like around

1397
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 1: the dinner table when we bosted out that tom clot

1398
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: in the sea oil she was in, it was like this,

1399
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 1: this stuffs the bomb, you know, yeah, I mean she

1400
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 1: had a whole fish before you even got the first bite, Like,

1401
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: you know, um, would you put in for the tag?

1402
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: Not yet? Not yet? Give me your concluding thoughts. I'm

1403
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: very excited to add I think species number ten to

1404
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: my freezer. With that, weren't talk about the meat. Fifty

1405
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 1: pound box of meat that you so generously rich, very

1406
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 1: good meat, but very rich. Yeah, fatty meat, that's good.

1407
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 1: We ate some that's great. We ate some ribs that

1408
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: we're tasty. We ate pot no, we ate diaphragm. What

1409
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 1: else we that sounds raw? Raw? Rich, fatty meat. We

1410
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: went up was easy. We have over two hundred pounds

1411
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 1: of meat. My box weighed in at sixty something sixty

1412
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, so we're each going home with sixty pounds

1413
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: of you know, untrimmed meat, no bone, untrimmed but bones. Yeah,

1414
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 1: but you'll probably yield you know forty I got a

1415
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: sack of Tom caught me, and Corey got a sack

1416
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 1: Tom got. It's gonna be eating shavings. So that is

1417
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: that you're concluding thoughts concluding I had a great time.

1418
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean the experience and I agree with everyone in

1419
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: the cultural aspect of it was amazing. I think that

1420
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: the imagery that it's gonna stick in my mind and

1421
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: the rest of my life is like pulling alongside, you know,

1422
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 1: paralleling the moscocks running. I'm looking off the snowmobile thinking, wow,

1423
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 1: you know there's like Jurassic Park or something. You know,

1424
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 1: where's the saber tooth tiger now? But you know that

1425
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 1: animals just like gliding on the thunder rod. See that

1426
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: animals came to the ice age. He was right there. Dude.

1427
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 1: It did me too. I know I was happening on

1428
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 1: I know I was happening on the ice age thing.

1429
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:08,600
Speaker 1: But when I looked at him, I'm like, if I

1430
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:11,600
Speaker 1: was just sitting here, if you if you said to me, like,

1431
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 1: if I somehow lost my position in time, okay, you

1432
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 1: somehow could be confused where you were in the space

1433
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 1: time continual, and you sat me down with my bannockers

1434
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: on that glass and tip and I looked out, I'd

1435
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 1: be like, well, there's a mammoth down there. That's what

1436
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 1: I would think. I had talked about this a couple

1437
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 1: of times out there. Is that when I first saw

1438
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: musko was the first time I went Carribo hunting and

1439
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: we drove up hunt caribool. I didn't hire, We just

1440
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 1: like did it with a canoe in a truck. And

1441
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 1: it was the first time I'd ever hunted in Alaska.

1442
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 1: And this was the way it was fifteen years ago.

1443
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: I knew that there was a thing called the muscos

1444
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 1: that exists did but I couldn't have told you if

1445
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:05,599
Speaker 1: it existed there still or not, or where I knew.

1446
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: It was just like I knew it was a creature, right,

1447
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, We're looking at something through

1448
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: the barbanoculars. You know, it was like looking across Some

1449
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,680
Speaker 1: talk about confusion and spacetime continue. It really was like

1450
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't like clear what I was looking at. I

1451
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:24,600
Speaker 1: could be like, Oh, there's a Muscox, but I'm like,

1452
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 1: but what is a musco? Like where are they right now?

1453
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 1: As a species? Am I did? I am? I seeing

1454
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: the last one, you know, like what am I looking at?

1455
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 1: It's just there's not a lot of awareness about that,

1456
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 1: am because it's where I say, ram, it's like the

1457
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: normway rat. I mean overall, the beautiful trip. Really, those

1458
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 1: old ice shanties just sitting on the edge of the

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Speaker 1: Bearing Sea, Like the more sunrises sunsets were amazing. I

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Speaker 1: think we got lucky with the weather, Like really we

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Speaker 1: had five days straight of you know, partly cloudy to

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