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Speaker 1: with your favorite current and former Seahawks Russell playfake, drops back,

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Speaker 1: Now here's your host, super Bowl forty eight champion, Robert Turbin.

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Speaker 1: Well so was sub everybody boy. Robert Turbin want to

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Speaker 1: welcome everybody to the show. Seahawks Stories got a special

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Speaker 1: guest of very special guests for you guys on the show.

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Speaker 1: Former wide receiver for the Seattle Seahawks was a big

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Speaker 1: Chris Matthews, what's going on, Bros? Going on? Man? How's

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Speaker 1: it going, man, you know, just hosting shows and doing

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Speaker 1: them big you know already know already not as big

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Speaker 1: as you man, brand new you know, brand new spot

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Speaker 1: in Long Beach, brand new house. You know, you got

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Speaker 1: your own podcast that you're doing and stuff like that. Man,

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Speaker 1: you know, how how's life going for you? Man? Everything

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Speaker 1: is amazing? Man. I actually you know you were talking

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Speaker 1: So Stafford and Matthews, you know, was birth just off

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Speaker 1: of something like this, you know what I'm saying. So

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Speaker 1: I've just been blessed, bro, and you know, making smart

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Speaker 1: decisions with you know, with the money that I have,

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Speaker 1: and and trying to keep you pushing in life. Sunday, California. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you know, born and raised in the Los Angeles area. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you'll almost went to college at UCLA. You decided to

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Speaker 1: my job, It's my job to know these things. Man,

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Speaker 1: I almost went to went to college. Uh, Uclah decided

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Speaker 1: talk about your experience their University of Kentucky. Um, well,

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Speaker 1: it was an amazing experience. I got to meet so

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Speaker 1: It was definitely a culture shock for me coming from

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Speaker 1: was like surreal, It was thought provoking, It was a

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Speaker 1: before you went to college, you were a back correct

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Speaker 1: maan from wrong. But you were a basketball player also,

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Speaker 1: right right right? High school? Pretty good? Right? Did you

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Speaker 1: That's what up. So man, you go to Kentucky. Leave Kentucky. Uh,

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Speaker 1: that wide receiver room. Oh it was amazing. Um it's

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00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: by far probably one of the best UH wide receiver

426
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: groups I've I've been a part of in my life.

427
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, there's there's only two

428
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: two other teams that it was my junior college wide

429
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: receiver Corps, my first my first year, and then my

430
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: last wide receiver Corps with Kentucky and after that it

431
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,479
Speaker 1: was just like everybody was just pretty much on their

432
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: own as wide receivers. So going to Seattle and seeing

433
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: how Jermaine Curse and Doug Ball and had like operated

434
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,959
Speaker 1: the whole the whole wide receiver Corps was a phenomenal.

435
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: They did a great job. Like it made it. I

436
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: truly felt like I was a damn brother. I started

437
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: calling them like, you know, just out of nowhere, like

438
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: I mean, what you're doing? You know what I'm saying,

439
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: Like it was, it was it was down to that

440
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: point for me where I was I wouldn't even say

441
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: immersed into the Seahawks culture. It was just whatever the

442
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: woops is doing, I'm doing it. And if they standing

443
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: by this, I'm standing by this. It was a real

444
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 1: brotherhood in there that I didn't ever I I didn't

445
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: even expect for it to happen. So you made the

446
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: practice squad. I was trying to look it up, but

447
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't find it. Which game was it that you

448
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: were first on the active roster? Do you remember on

449
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: the active roster? Honestly, I can't remember because I pretty

450
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: much didn't do anything but run up and down the

451
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: field on kickoff, and like most of us, when we

452
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: first touch anybody, I didn't touch anybody. Nothing went my way.

453
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, like, all right, whatever, man.

454
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: I want to say, Denver, but I'm not one hundred

455
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: percent sure, Denver, but you're not. I'm just sure. Yeah, yeah,

456
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: Well we all do remember what we do remember. Fast

457
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: forwarding was hyperformed when we made it back to the

458
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Right. Obviously, you know you made some plays

459
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: throughout that entire season, but a lot of people, you know,

460
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: even even me, like man if if if if the

461
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: game turns out the other way, Chris Matthews might have

462
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: been the MVP. Huh. How did you feel it going

463
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: into that game? Right? It's kind of ironic, right, you

464
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: get signed, like you get the future contract right before

465
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: we go to our first Super Bowl, and then but

466
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: you don't get the I mean, you don't get to

467
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: be a part of it. But then you come back

468
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: in your first season and we make it, you know,

469
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,239
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. Man, talk about that experience for you.

470
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: The super Bowl was amazing. It was definitely amazing. Um.

471
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: I think that's where the level of brotherhood that we

472
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: talked about so much in that in that time really showed. Um.

473
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about the little things of just being

474
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: you know, just talking with Bobby and uh Cliff and

475
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, even though we weren't the best of friends, Bruce, Bruce,

476
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like me and him even

477
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: actually chopped it up during the super Bowl. So um

478
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: that that played a part a major role in me

479
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: thinking of like, you know what, you know, I feel

480
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: like every athlete has a theme that they want to

481
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: go with throughout the throughout the new season, and at

482
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: that time for me, during the super Bowl, it was

483
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: a you know what, let me get back to how

484
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: it all started, Like, let me go back to just

485
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: focusing and being me, you know what I'm saying, and

486
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: doing whatever I can to be the best that I

487
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: can be. So it started from the first one, the

488
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: first week that we showed up out there and I

489
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'm gonna make sure I

490
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: get to every depth. You know what I'm saying. I

491
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: don't care how long it takes. I'm getting every I'm

492
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: getting it to our to our depth at each at

493
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: each route. I don't care like I'm getting there. I'm

494
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: getting there. I'm getting there right. So we ran out

495
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: I forgot what it called, but we ran that play

496
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: where where I basically run a post corner and I'm

497
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: clearing it out for a Doug and Jermaine to come

498
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,239
Speaker 1: underneath with their with their shallow routes, and so the

499
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: whole week we you know, you know, we we ran

500
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: the route to a t. It didn't matter if it

501
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: was zone. If it was zone, Doug was getting it.

502
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: If it was man, Jermaine was getting it. It was

503
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: pretty pretty simple. But I was like, you know, I'm

504
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: not getting the ball. I don't you know what I'm saying.

505
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm not getting the ball. But I'm about to go

506
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: out here in block for sean turb You know what

507
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm about to go out here and run

508
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: this the best route I could possibly run for this

509
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: deep route sort for Doug and Jermaine man like that

510
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: that's where my mind said was for the Super Bowl

511
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: and like it obviously it turned out well for me,

512
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: but like ultimately it we didn't win, but it was like, damn,

513
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: man like, I really did that, man Like I really

514
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: had a great time. Yeah. I mean, especially you know

515
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: during the season where you're kind of in and out

516
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: of the lineup, right, you're active for some games, you're

517
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: inactive for other games, and so you probably were in

518
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: this you know kind of like, man, am I going

519
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: to be active for the Super Bowl? You know, what's

520
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: what's going on? Or am I going to being in

521
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: a sweatsuit? You know? And so you you not only

522
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: were you active, but I mean you perform to you know,

523
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: like a like an MVP like caliber level, and then

524
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 1: you put us in situations where, uh, you know, we

525
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: really could have won that game because of the plays

526
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: that you made. But you said something that was really interesting,

527
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: and I want to try to dive in a little

528
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: deeper into it, because you you talked about getting back

529
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: to like being yourself and like just getting back to

530
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: who you were and doing some of the things that

531
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: you do best on the field, and what kind of

532
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: got you out of that in the first place. You

533
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: think what got me out of it, honestly was the

534
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: fact that I didn't think that I was going to

535
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: stay there for long, Like before I was active my

536
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: first I mean during my first year, like I was

537
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: at home for a whole month. So it was like,

538
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: in all honesty, you know, I'm home. It's me being

539
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: me out here trying to live in LA in south

540
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: central California. You know what I'm saying, Like that was

541
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: the mode that I was in of you know, I'm

542
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: at home. You know what I'm saying, I'm doing this

543
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: and I'm only doing this and I ain't worried about that.

544
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: And so when I finally get back, I finally get

545
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: back to Seattle, it was, you know, a different life.

546
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: You know, you're around athletes, You're around the fans who

547
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: treat you like you're a king, but honestly, you ain't

548
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: done nothing. You know what I'm saying, Like, I haven't

549
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: done anything. I'm on practice squad. But they love me.

550
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, Like they love me

551
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: all right, whatever, Now I got money in my pocket.

552
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: It's like it's just completely different. So I was going

553
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: through a different world winds of who I was, and

554
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: a lot of had to do with it. Honestly, was

555
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: I was watching film thinking I wasn't like I said.

556
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, I ain't gonna be

557
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: it for long, but I'm gonna make it happen, you

558
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like, that's what I was thinking.

559
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: And so I started watching, you know, watching film like

560
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: you supposed to do, but I'm watching film on Vincent Jackson,

561
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: on Julio Jones, Brandy Marshall, Calvin Johnson, Like I'm just

562
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: looking at all these dudes. I'm like, Oh, I like that,

563
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try that. Oh I'm gonna try that, or

564
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try that. And it was just those guys

565
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: are great for what they did because they were being

566
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: their selves. I wasn't being myself. There's a difference between

567
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: um taking bits and pieces of people's game and actually

568
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: being yourself. You know what I'm saying. I wasn't being myself.

569
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: I was trying, like I was even trying to run

570
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: different like that was. That was how much I was

571
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: trying to be like some of these other guys, because honestly, like,

572
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: who wouldn't want to be Calvin Johnson. You know what

573
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We don't want to be Bendy Marshall. You

574
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. These guys were like monumental, big, big,

575
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: right receivers, I think. So it was like for me,

576
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,239
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, if I'm gonna if

577
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it like this, man,

578
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make I'm gonna figure out a way to

579
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: make it out here. You know what I'm saying, Like,

580
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 1: this is where I want to be in the NFL,

581
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: and to make any deeper than that, I want to

582
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: be a Seahawk for the rest of my time. You

583
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like that's what I was doing.

584
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: So I didn't really have I wasn't really centered into

585
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: myself until um at Super Bowl. So you end up

586
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: having a pretty decent career with Seattle. You leave, you

587
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: depart like most of us, right, you know, you move on,

588
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: you go to Baltimore. Before we get into Baltimore, though,

589
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: what was that departure, Like, how was the relationship between you,

590
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: Pete and john I know my experience from sitting down

591
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: in that room and getting cut basically, you know, what

592
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: was that like? For you. Uh, I think this is

593
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: a lot of it again has to do with myself.

594
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: So I have nobody to blame but myself because I was,

595
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: um but not in it to win it at that time, right,

596
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: my head was everywhere. People were dying in my you know,

597
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: in my life left and right, and I'm like, I'm

598
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: basically losing it because these are like close friends, close

599
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: close family members, and I'm out here and I gotta

600
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: come out here in practice and be the best that

601
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: I could be, and we're all in you know what

602
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like all of that literally weighed on me.

603
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: So it was a time where I just wasn't locked

604
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: in for the for the week of Dallas. So the

605
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: week of Dallas, which you know we all know that, um,

606
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: this is where Ricardo Locket end up getting getting hurt.

607
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying like that that like this

608
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: is my dog, you know what I'm saying, Like my dog,

609
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: I lose it trying to fight everybody on the field

610
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 1: looking for the dude who did it and all this stuff.

611
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: And you know, I remember Pete ran all the way

612
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: out to the middle of the films like yo, like relax,

613
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: chill out, come on we got this, and I'm like, man,

614
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm tripping right now, Like coach had to come all

615
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: way out here to come get me, you know what

616
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like me, right, all right, we get back,

617
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: I get I get the I get the you know,

618
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: basically the phone call, hey man, come can you come

619
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: up here? And I'm like, all right, sure enough, that's

620
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: what happens. I ended up getting cut in the office,

621
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: like you said with Schneyder and and Pete. But you know,

622
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: it is what it is. You know, we're men. You

623
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, This is a business. At the

624
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: end of the day, if you're not performing, you gotta go.

625
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,479
Speaker 1: So I understood that. So all at all, I felt

626
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: like I had a a good exit with them, Like

627
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: it was understandable. I mean, honestly, they wanted they wanted

628
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: me to stay. They was going to release me, and

629
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: they wanted to put me on practice squad. But you know,

630
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: my agent was like, once you go back to practice squad,

631
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: ain't no coming back after that. Like they're not gonna

632
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: they're gonna leave you on there. Like so, do you

633
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: want to play somewhere else or do you want to

634
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: stay here and stay on the practice squad. So I

635
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, no, I gotta go. Well I do,

636
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about Baltimore just a little bit,

637
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: but one more question before then, because obviously this is

638
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: you know, a topic of conversation all the time, and

639
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: so to get a wide receiver's perspective, somebody who's uh

640
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, watched the film and practiced that play, you know,

641
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: uh talking about on the goal line, that second down

642
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 1: play that Malcolm Butler in the SPS. You know, I've

643
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: had your main Curse on my personal uh podcasts, haven't

644
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: had them on here yet and U and neither have

645
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: I had Locket yet either. But what did you see,

646
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, on that play? Because it's like, well, Curse

647
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: didn't get enough of a rub and and and and

648
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: and you know, lock didn't you know, come into the

649
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: slant hard enough. And then some people are just like

650
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: like me, I'm just like, yo, pages watched film too, Yeah,

651
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: probably knew what was coming. Yeah, but what's your take?

652
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: They did, Like honestly, they said it now that you

653
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: look at hindsight looking at it, they say it all

654
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: the time, like we knew that that was coming. Um,

655
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, could you know could Jermaine

656
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: have done this, could lock and have done that. There's

657
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: a lot of things that you can I mean that

658
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: you could have done better. There's a lot of things

659
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: that Russ could have done better. Sarm could have done better.

660
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: All of us could have done better. Due we wouldn't

661
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: even have to been in this position, you know what

662
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, I just think that it happened. They

663
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: made they made a play. This is the NFL. Anything

664
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: can happen on this field. It's a game of inches,

665
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: and he took his inch. I think that he did

666
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: an amazing job and taking taking taking the opportunity that

667
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: was given it him and maximizing it. So, I mean, honestly,

668
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: there's nothing else that they could have really done outside

669
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: of what they are. What they did. All right, so

670
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: you leave, you leave Seattle, you go to Baltimore. What

671
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: went into that decision was that your only opportunity? Was

672
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: that your only choice at that time? Or could you

673
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: have gone somewhere else? Yeah? I had a couple of

674
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: places that was that wanted me to come out there

675
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: and play for, except for the ones that I really wanted.

676
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: So it was more so of like, all right, well,

677
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: who's gonna offer the most. You know, who's gonna offer

678
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: the most money? You know what I'm saying. Like I'm

679
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 1: still like I'm not I'm not working on millions here,

680
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm still in a hundred thousand range. So I'm like, well,

681
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 1: who's gonna give me the most? You know what I'm saying.

682
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: And then it was that. And then also when I

683
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: heard the ravens um automatically off top, I was like

684
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, Like everybody knows that he has the prettiest

685
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: deep ball in the NFL. You know what I'm saying, Like,

686
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a no brainer. They'll have no receivers

687
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: over there. That's uh, that's solidified, so I could easily

688
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: step in. Uh that That was pretty much that was

689
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: in my mind at that time. It was like, all right,

690
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going over here, which you know, hindsight fifty

691
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: probably should have just went to Tampa Bay with Vincent

692
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: Jackson and and Mike Evans at the time, like they

693
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: loved big receivers. So you go to Baltimore, you're there

694
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: with Joe Flacco. Did you have the similar type of

695
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: relationship with the team like you did in Seattle? No,

696
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: I didn't um, I didn't start. We didn't start actually

697
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: like getting close to each other. I'm talking about as

698
00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: a team, honestly, as a whole until like that I

699
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 1: can half of my second year there. So I come

700
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: in the first half of this. I mean, I come

701
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 1: in the second half of my first year. Right, they

702
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: practice squad me, I'm tearing them up. They're like, Okay,

703
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: we gotta get this guy on the field. I go

704
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: out right when. I right when Actually the day I

705
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: was flying to Baltimore, it was on a Sunday, Joe

706
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: Flacco gets hurt and he was out for the year.

707
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: So I'm like, damn, like, ain't that something you know

708
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, But I ended up going out

709
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: there anyway, practice squad. We're going through like fifty million quarterbacks.

710
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm tearing them up out there, and they're like, all right,

711
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: we get him on the field. Finally get on the field.

712
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: I do exactly what I wanted to do, go out there,

713
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: and I balled the second half of the season. The

714
00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: next season comes through, U I killed. I killed killed

715
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: training camp. I come into the season and I turned

716
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: around and I got hurt. Boom right, I tear my

717
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: dog on thumb, off the ligaments out of my thumb,

718
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: and they put me your ir So, now the first

719
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: half of my second year, I'm still not closer than

720
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: anybody because I'm not on the field. You know what

721
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, everything you're doing in the facility is

722
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: by yourself, right, you know what I'm saying. So it's

723
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: like I'm not you know, I'm not getting no continuity

724
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: going on with anybody. So it was just me and

725
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: my brother. At the time, I was just kicking. It

726
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: was just me and my brother boom. And then the

727
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: second half of the season, I started coming back. I

728
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: was able to I was able. They was able to

729
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: let me back in because I couldn't. They wouldn't let me,

730
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, come in and like actually be with the team.

731
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: I had to go to rehab and then go to

732
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: this doctor over here, and it was never a time

733
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: for me to be in the locker room with my teammates.

734
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: So I'm finally now I'm finally going in here with

735
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: the team. Boom, boom, boom. We do what we do

736
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: wasn't that great that year, but we had some potential

737
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: players at the time, right, so boom. The next year

738
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: comes in I'm getting ready for training camp and I

739
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: tear my hamstring right before training. I'm like, damn, Like

740
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: I can't believe that this is just happening to me.

741
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying, Like, and I'm trying

742
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: to come in here and I'm supposed to you know

743
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I'm supposed to be be a guy,

744
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: be the guy. You know what I'm saying, Great second

745
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 1: half of the first season, right coming into the second season,

746
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: you tear your thumb, all right, no biggie coming into

747
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: the third right, Yeah. So it's like, you know what

748
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I knew. I knew that I was

749
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: getting older as a player. You know what I'm saying,

750
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: I'm still fairly new to the league because I haven't

751
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: been on the field as much. And I just missed

752
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: a whole a whole year. You know what I'm saying, Like,

753
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: I just missed a whole year. And you know that

754
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: saying goes, is what have you done for me lately?

755
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: And when I got back and I'm still, you know,

756
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm hobbling, and they know I let them know I was.

757
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: You know, I had to be real. I was real

758
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: with them. I was like, yeah, you know, I tore

759
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: my hamstring, but they, you know, decided to work with me.

760
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: They was like, all right, man, well you know we

761
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: got you, like we'll we'll, we'll taper you down this.

762
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: How did you how did you tear it? In training camp? Right? Um,

763
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: it was before a training camp. It was literally like

764
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: two weeks before a training camp, and I was sprinting.

765
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: I was doing I was doing sprints on that curve. Yeah,

766
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: and you know, we was, you know, we was us

767
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: guys was pushing each other. And so it was like,

768
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: who's gonna get to twenty two twenty three? And I'm like,

769
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: I'm only at twenty, but I'm like to push it.

770
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: And that's what happened with that. But you know, so

771
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: all I all it gets pushed in, you know, get

772
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: get down to it. And we're in the end of

773
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: training camp and I haven't I haven't been performing because

774
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: my leg you know what I'm saying, I'm not the one.

775
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: Two other guys pop up boo boo boo making plays,

776
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: They putting them in the game, they throwing them deep balls,

777
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: they catching them, scoring touchdowns. Everybody going crazy, and I'm like, damn, bro,

778
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: like like when is it gonna be you know what

779
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, what is it gonna be? My time? Right?

780
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: And it was like it was from there was like boom.

781
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,479
Speaker 1: They got on the team. They made the team, and

782
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: I made the team. They put me on the fifty three.

783
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, like I still got a chance,

784
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I'm going through, you know,

785
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: being the second team, you know, on second team and

786
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: stuff like that, doing you know, doing me and turn

787
00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: around again another hamstring. Now it's the other side. And

788
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's one thing about about the Ravens that

789
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: is very crucial is that they don't play about their

790
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: special teams. And I was a special team guy. So

791
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: before anything else, before stretching, when you get out there

792
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: on that field, the first thing you're gonna do, you

793
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: don't run out there and you're doing kickoff cold hot,

794
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: I don't care. You better, you better be able to run.

795
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: And I go out there and it's freezing cold, fog

796
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: is everywhere, and I run down and I make a

797
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: move on a guy on kickoff, and I felt something

798
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: crazy going on in my leg, and I'm like, damn,

799
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: what the hell was that. I go through practice and

800
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: I actually did good in practice. I get to the

801
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: locker room, I'm calming down and I'm like, what's up.

802
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: I'm feeling my leg. As soon as I bent my leg,

803
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, what the hell was that? It

804
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: was a crazy feel in my leg and then shot

805
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: all the way up to the to my back, like

806
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: through my button to my back, and I'm like, damn,

807
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: what the like? What was that? You know what I'm saying.

808
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: So I go straight in the training room like, old, hey,

809
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: take this, put some stim on this or something. You

810
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And they told me they do

811
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: the little we do the little cap bill uh mr

812
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: Rie and they you know, all that stuff. And he

813
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, man, you got a grade three And

814
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm like grade three? Like how? So they ended up

815
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: there was like all right, man, we're gonna send you

816
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: over here to Atlanta to see this doctor and when

817
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: you come back, we're gonna do this. Do that. I'm like,

818
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: all right, pass, go to Atlanta, see the doctor. He

819
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: gets me back right. Two weeks later. I come back.

820
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: We play against two weeks. Two weeks Oh damn. Yeah,

821
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: I've been doing some uh some holistic well listen, bro,

822
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: I thought I was great. I thought I was good.

823
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: I was like gold up, like I'm good to go.

824
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: I can run. Bro. Two weeks later, Bro, I come back.

825
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: We're going on. We're going on the road to the Vikings,

826
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: and we just lost Jay Mack and Mike Williams had

827
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: a concussion. Nobody else is playing. These are all backups

828
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: that's gonna play the next game against the Vikings. I'm like, oh, yes,

829
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: like this is my opening, right. They're like, yeah, man,

830
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 1: when we get up there, we're gonna we're gonna we're

831
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: gonna test your leg and if it's good, you're good

832
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: to go. We're good, You're gonna play. We're not gonna

833
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: do nothing this week. Let you rest. I'm like, all right,

834
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: cool boom. So I get out there and we don't.

835
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 1: We get out there and I'm like, here we go

836
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: back to back to locking in. I didn't leave a hotel,

837
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I didn't do nothing. I

838
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: stayed right in my room, studied my film, looked, looked

839
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: at my plays, and went to sleep. I'm about to

840
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: go in here and tear these dudes up. I go

841
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: out there to the field the next day and there

842
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: we're going over to getting ready to test, and all

843
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: I had to do is do like two hundred yards

844
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: sprints and run some routes and then that was it. Right,

845
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: So I do I do the hundred yards or do

846
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: the first hundred yards and then I do the second

847
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: hundred yards. I'm like, oh, I feel something. It was

848
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: small though, it was a small little pain. I was like, okay,

849
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: this ain't like all right, This ain't you know what

850
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I can see how you like, you know what.

851
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta I gotta finest this. I gotta

852
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: finest this. Like I got to play, you know what.

853
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: I got to play. I'm like, all right whatever. Boom,

854
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: I go and I do the second one. And Bobby

855
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: Ingro my my wide receiver coach at the time, Bobby

856
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: and Ingram wide receiver coach. Yeah he was. He was

857
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: my wife receiver coach. I'm crazy yet a product. Yeah

858
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: that's crazy. He was like, yeah, you he was. He

859
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: looked at me, He's like, you're good. I was like, yeah,

860
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm good. Come on, I go out there. I'm talking

861
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: about twenty yards down the field. Boom. It felt it

862
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: was a big one. I'm hobbling all the way down

863
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: the field, all the way down the field. Like, man,

864
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not trying to laugh, but the way you,

865
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: but the way you, the way you're telling the story,

866
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: bron Hey, I'm telling you. I can only I can

867
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,959
Speaker 1: only tell the truth. I can only tell the truth.

868
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm in my head. I'm like, oh, I hope he

869
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: don't see this, like I'm still trying to go out there,

870
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: like damn this hamstring. I'm still trying to go out here.

871
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: And he looked at me, he was like, nah, man,

872
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: and if I if I'm bro this is the one

873
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: time I truly cried about the game in football because

874
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, this has gotta be like, this is gonna

875
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: be it, Like you know what I'm saying, Like this

876
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: is the perfect time to do it. These guys, the dbs.

877
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: We've been talking about these dbs in practice all week long.

878
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: They trash, they can't do this, they can't do this.

879
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: Is when they had Xavian hour there and we're like, no,

880
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: we about to tear him up. Were about to tear

881
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: him up. We're about to go out there and do it. Man.

882
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: We get out there and of course I don't. I

883
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: don't play. I'm crying in the lock literally crying in

884
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: the locker room till over my head everything. And this

885
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 1: is where I give kudos to my board Terrell sugs.

886
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: He tapped me, come on over here, man. We went outside.

887
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: He was like, Bro, you can't be doing this. Can't

888
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: be crying out here, man, don't be crying them in

889
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: front of these dudes like that. Man, let them know

890
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: that you're good. Man. So you go on and go

891
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: somewhere else and ball out like you supposed to. I

892
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: was like, you're right, man, let me let me, let me,

893
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: let me, let me, let me choke up. Well, you know,

894
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: let me let me choke up real quick and get

895
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: out here and support my team like like I'm supposed

896
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: to do. You know what I'm saying, Oh, go out

897
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: there on the field. And we actually didn't do bad

898
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: that game. Like maybe it was because they didn't have

899
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: no film on none of the receivers out there or what,

900
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: but like we didn't do bad against the run or

901
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: the past, and we almost had a chance to win

902
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: the game, you know what I'm saying. So it was

903
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: it was a crazy experience right there. But that was

904
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: when I was like, I know, like this is probably

905
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: gonna be a rap from here. Yeah. Yeah, it was

906
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: kind of the beginning of the end for you, you know,

907
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: and and and so unfortunate man, because it happened. You

908
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: go to a new team and get this new spark,

909
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: and it's almost like a new beginning and and you

910
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: do well. You know. I remember like my first when

911
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: I first left Seattle, and I you know, I kind

912
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: of went to a couple of teams in twenty fifteen,

913
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: but I stuck with the Colts, and in twenty sixteen,

914
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: I had my best season, and you know, I led

915
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: the team in touchdowns and all of that, and I'm oh, man,

916
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm about to come back in twenty seventeen doing them

917
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: and blooming. Man. I remember like going into training camp

918
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: and my coach came up to me like, Turbo, I

919
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: don't know what you did this offseason, but whatever you did,

920
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: you need to keep doing it. Like I was looking

921
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: real good man, this okay to elbow week six, you

922
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Okay, Okay, I'm about to bounce back.

923
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: It's all good. You know what I'm saying. Been through

924
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: this before. I've been injured before. Who come back for

925
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen season just okay to shoulder week six,

926
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: and that was kind of the beginning at the end, Yeah,

927
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: when you started started hitting you like damn, man, Like

928
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: am I really gonna come back from this? You know

929
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, am I gonna? And I, like

930
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: I said before, everybody, everybody in NFL knows it, whether

931
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: you say it or not. But so what have you

932
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: done for me lately? Man? You ain't done nothing. It's

933
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: hard pickings. It's hard to get them opportunities and hard

934
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: the same thing, bro, Like it happened to me in Seattle,

935
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: it happened to me in Baltimore. It was like damn,

936
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: and it was to no fault about it, no, no,

937
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: no fault on nobody's own because you know what I'm saying,

938
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: like it's injuries happened, Like it's part of football, injuries happening.

939
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying, like you can't, you can't,

940
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: you can't falt yourself on it. You know. It's like

941
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: it's just it's some people get the lucky to draw

942
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,959
Speaker 1: at the time that they get it. You know, when

943
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 1: was the last question to be last question? So after

944
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: you were done with Baltimore, obviously the opportunities, Uh, you

945
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: know kind of stopped coming after that. Correct me if

946
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, right, And so you know when for you mentally,

947
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, did you kind of did it just kind

948
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: of settle in for you like it's over and uh

949
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: and not only that, but some of us, you know,

950
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: it's like it's over, but we ain't cool with it, right,

951
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: so we go through the right these mental you know,

952
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: withdrawals for lack of a better word, Right, And so

953
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: when did you kind of find acceptance in peace with

954
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: the fact that you were going to be moving on

955
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: with your life now. Honestly, it happened a few years

956
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: after my NFL stint because I went back to the CFL.

957
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: I knew where I always loved at, like I'm doing there,

958
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: go ahead and play over there. Um won a championship

959
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: out there my first year back out there. So that

960
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: was amazing. You know what I'm saying. You They called

961
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: me champ c over here. You know what I'm saying, Like,

962
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: that's how I feel about it. Which team, the Calgary

963
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: Stampeter's That's right, yes, right? So we won there? I

964
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: won there, and then the following year I went back

965
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: to my original team, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers game. That

966
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: was That was a time where I knew. I was like,

967
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: all right, this is it. You know what I'm saying, like,

968
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: this is this is gonna be a last time. My

969
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: Lacey's up because I went out there. Of course, first

970
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: week in the training camp, hamstring Boom puts me down. Okay,

971
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: I come back. I finally come back. I play a

972
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 1: couple of games. They're not throwing me the ball, but

973
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: they're not throwing me the ball like that. But when

974
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: they do throw me the ball, I'm making something happen.

975
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: I scored at least three touchdowns and honestly, I probably

976
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't even know this, but there

977
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: is an incident that happened that actually made me realize

978
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: that I needed to like just sit down and you know,

979
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: hanging this up and go home. What happened. I was

980
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: in I was in Winnipeg, and the whole time, you know,

981
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: I wasn't going out, I wasn't doing none of that.

982
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta stay focused. You know what

983
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, this is a new opportunity for me. Boom.

984
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: Homeboys called me up. All my receiver boys, they all

985
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: like come on, big on me, come out, come out,

986
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: come out. And it was down the street from my apartment.

987
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, man, like I'll show up

988
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: for you guys. You know what I'm saying, Like pull up,

989
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: pulled up to the little bar with them chilling, having

990
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: a good time next to you know, chaos breaks out.

991
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: I get stabbed fighting the hole. I'm out here trying

992
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: to fight a crowd. I'm like all of this, and

993
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: I knew I should have stayed at home when I

994
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: first thought about it. I guess stab I turned around.

995
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm telling myself like all right, I'm going to the hospital.

996
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: Like it's literally right around the corner. Like everything is

997
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: in walking distance for me. I didn't have to drive

998
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: a car and had to do nothing. My apartment was

999
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: literally a block over from the bar. The dog On

1000
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: hospital was two blocks over from the bar. So I'm like,

1001
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm going straight to the hospital. I don't know what

1002
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: the hills going on, Like I'm out of here, walk

1003
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: straight out of there. I don't need hold up, but

1004
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm trying to wrap my mind around what's

1005
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: going on. So chaos breaks, yes, And are you did

1006
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: anything of it have to do with you was you

1007
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: trying to It's just a big bar fight. It just

1008
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: happened randomly with me. I was literally sitting down talking

1009
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: to my boys, and next I just noticed, like because

1010
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of my teammates they're deepest ends,

1011
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: you know, they're big guys, they're sick here. But I

1012
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: can like see somebody's face like peeking through, like looking

1013
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: at us. I'm like, what the hell I'm looking And

1014
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: next thing you know, I stood up. The whole back

1015
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: yard I'm not backyard, but back bar of this area

1016
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: started crowding around us, and drinks was being thrown. I'm like,

1017
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: what the hell I fall? I get up. I'm just

1018
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: swinging on people now, Like so so the whoa bro?

1019
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: Was the bar? The bar just decide that we're just

1020
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: gonna jump y'all. Bro. It's it's crazy, right. So a

1021
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know this, but Winnipeg is probably

1022
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: one of the worst cities to be in as far

1023
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: as gangs. Like, like, it's it's really a dangerous city

1024
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, Like you have to like

1025
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: really watch where you're at when you're out there. But

1026
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's us being us. We're the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.

1027
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: You know, they love us, so we're not thinking none

1028
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: of it. But some colors or something like, so whatever

1029
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: whatever it was they was saying. People were saying that

1030
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: somebody had got into it with some guys inside and

1031
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: then they left and were the only ones in the back,

1032
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, clueless of what was going on,

1033
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: so of course it all happened to us, right, So right,

1034
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: all right, So now I'm walking out. I'm walking out

1035
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: and I don't even make it across the street. Right,

1036
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: I feel somebody grabbing on me, but I know it's

1037
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: all my teammate that's surrounded on me. I just feel

1038
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: somebody grabbing on me, like what like you know what

1039
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, I turn around. Right when I turn around,

1040
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: it's a woman cop. She was like what are you?

1041
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: She's like looking at me, and I'm like, like, what's up?

1042
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm good? And like right when I went like that, right,

1043
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: she whipped around me again, and I'm like, okay, I

1044
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: saw I stood there thinking like she's about to arrest

1045
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: me or something. Nobody put their hands on me. They

1046
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: all like and all my homies is just looking at me,

1047
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: like bro, like, what's up. I'm like, I don't know.

1048
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: I turned back around. The whole police force is right

1049
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 1: in front of me. Now, the whole police force. Man,

1050
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Speaker 1: Oh damn, like you know what I'm saying, Like, what

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Speaker 1: the hell is going on? So I have my hands

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Speaker 1: up and I'm looking at this dude square in his face.

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Speaker 1: He has his Thank lord, it was his tasting or

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Speaker 1: not a gun. But I looked at him dead in

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Speaker 1: his face, and I was like, I don't have anything

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Speaker 1: on me, oh taste falling boom. I'm like, damn, Like

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Speaker 1: the hell have I gotten myself into? Bro? What is

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Speaker 1: going on? Oh? My gosh. They handcuffs and said I

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Speaker 1: don't have anything on me boom, nothing, Bro. I cannot

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Speaker 1: make this up. Bro, Yeah, handcuffs. I'm trying to tell

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Speaker 1: my homies while I'm on the ground, like, chill out

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Speaker 1: so I can get out of in it. Bro, Are

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Speaker 1: you stabbed right now? Stabbed? Yes, That's what I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to tell you. I'm like, chill out so I can leave, bro.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to get up out of here right boom.

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Speaker 1: Right when they're arrest me. They had me sitting there

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Speaker 1: for like forever. It felt like forever. But it couldn't

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Speaker 1: have been no more than like ten minutes. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: I was stabbed. Yeah, so you must must have not

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Speaker 1: been stabbed in anywhere. No. I felt myself like starting

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Speaker 1: to doze off, and I'm like, Bro, I'm telling the police, like, Yo,

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Speaker 1: where did you? Where did you get stabbed in my

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Speaker 1: lower right abdomen? Oh? Bro, that yeah, you can't just

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Speaker 1: have somebody sitting there. That's a that's an area. I'm

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Speaker 1: telling them like, Bro, I was stabbed, Like I don't

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01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: have anything on me. I was the one who was stabbed.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm the victim, like I was backing. This is

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01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: going through my mind and I'm like low ki laughing

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Speaker 1: in my head because I'm like this sounds like some

1080
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: some movie stuff like I'm out here handcuffs, stabbed, tased,

1081
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Speaker 1: and I'm over here yelling at the police. I'm the victim.

1082
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't make this up, bro, And so you know,

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Speaker 1: thank you. One of the one of the White Shirts,

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01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: which is I guess as the captain or the leader

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01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: or whatever it is for the police, he comes up

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01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: to me and I tell him like I literally was stabbed.

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01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: I was just trying to go to the hospital and

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01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: you guy tased me and he was like, okay, let

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01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: me get you together. Boom. So they called an ambulance

1090
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: and everything. I ended up getting rushed to the hospital,

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01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: got some staples, you know. Of course, the doctor was like, man,

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Speaker 1: if it was an inch closer, you could have been

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Speaker 1: dead and all this stuff. And I'm like a man, like,

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01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: let me go home, bro, Like I'm ready to get

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01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: up out of here. And so that that was a

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Speaker 1: point where when I got home, I was like, you

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01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: know what, man, this is it? Like, I can't I

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01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: almost lost my life for some football you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, yeah, trying to support the teammates, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, this is it? Man, Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and let them have this. That's crazy.

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Speaker 1: That was a rap for me from there. That's crazy.

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01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: That Seahawks stories in a nutshell right for real. That's

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Speaker 1: I mean. I don't mean to laugh, but man, bro,

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Speaker 1: that's that's crazy. Man. Man, listen, man, I'm crazy. It's

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01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 1: a crazy life, but I wouldn't trade it in for nothing.

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Speaker 1: And I appreciate the Seahawks um for giving me the opportunity,

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Speaker 1: you know, giving my opportunity to actually you know, show

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Speaker 1: my talents in the in the league, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, of being at the top doing it at

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Speaker 1: you know, doing being the best at the best venue

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Speaker 1: ever for sports entertainment, which is the Super Bowl. You know,

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Speaker 1: I can't you know, I would never bad mouth the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks or anything like that because they gave me my opportunity.

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Speaker 1: And even more so, man, is the brotherhood that you know,

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01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: we all ended up eventually getting that out, you know,

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01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: at our own speeds in that locker room, but we

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Speaker 1: eventually ended up getting you know, a brotherhood in a

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Speaker 1: in a relationship with all you guys. And I would

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Speaker 1: never turn that one away either. So it was a

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Speaker 1: blessing to be with you bro. All right, Man, I

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01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Man, But you did win a cup though

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Speaker 1: you know, you know it's probably like different sphere or whatever,

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Speaker 1: but a chip is a chip, man, A chip is

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01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: a chip. Well, hey, man, we appreciate you being on

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Speaker 1: Seahawks Stories today. Thanks for all the listeners who you know,

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01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: listen to this episode. Subscribe. We appreciate you, and we'll

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Speaker 1: be back next week. Absolutely, Man,