1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Let's Giants on 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: the Giants bubbling, give me some job, part of the 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Giants podcast Network. 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 2: Let's roll. Welcome to another edition of the Giants Total Podcast, 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: brought to you by Citizens, the official Bank of the Giants. 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: I am John Schmelk from Newsday There national NFL reporter 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: Tom Rock. Well, what a lot I have Tom on today? Well, 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: for one, I like talking to Tom, He's awesome. Number two, 9 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 2: I wanted to find somebody that covers both the Jets 10 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: and the Giants, and we're at both joint practices. There 11 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: weren't as many people as you might think that cover 12 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: both teams are at joint practices. 13 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: There's only a few of us left, but we're kind 14 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: of an endangered species. 15 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: You were one of them, and so you zoomed up 16 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: right to the top of my list. So Tom, thanks 17 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: for joining us in the Hackensack Mariny Hell podcast studio. 18 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: Keep getting better. What were your takeaways from two days 19 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 2: of joint practices against the Jets. 20 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: I thought that the Giants' defense was really stand out 21 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: and they are going to be a problem for opposing teams. 22 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: And I think there was a question yesterday to Holland 23 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: that that really summed it up. And somebody said, how 24 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: is the defense coming together? And he said, we we'd 25 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: better be doing well because if we don't, we're not 26 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: gonna win a lot of games. And that kind of 27 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: that kind of tells you where that where this is now. 28 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: The offense is going to be better than it was 29 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: last year, I think, but I don't. I don't think 30 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a thirty forty, you know, thirty thirty 31 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: five point game unit. Russell Wilson's obviously going to add 32 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 1: a little bit of uh, playmaking and decision making that 33 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: that that can help him score some points. 34 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 2: He's going to raise the floor. Certainly, Yes, you're not 35 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: gonna have many of those three point games that you've 36 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: had the last couple of. 37 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: Years, right, and and and neighbors you would think is 38 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: gonna get better, and Tracy's gonna get better, and and 39 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: and everybody's everybody's going to kind of progress, and I 40 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: think Theo Johnson is poised for kind of a breakout year. 41 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: So that offense, the off but still it's not it's 42 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: not a it's not a firepower offense. It's not it's 43 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: not the it's not the Bills. It's not the Chargers, 44 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: It's not It's not those teams that you go out there, 45 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: the Rams a couple of years ago, where you say, 46 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: you know, if this gets into the forties, we can 47 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: play with them, not with you. But the defense I 48 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: think is going to be is going to be pretty 49 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: good and keep them in a lot of the games 50 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: that got away from them last couple of years. 51 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think what gets me excited is I 52 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: watched the Giants defensive line in one on ones yesterday. 53 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: I thought they did pretty good against the Jets offensive line. 54 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: I thought the Jets offensive line did a little better today. 55 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: But in the team portion, you did see Giants defensive 56 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: lineman in the backfield the decent amount or in the 57 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: team portions of drills. And I think one of the 58 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: reasons I wanted to have somebody that covers both teams. 59 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: The Giants have a pretty good, young offensive line, like 60 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: that should be one of the strengths of their team. 61 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: No, I was really impressed you said the Jets have 62 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: Jets have a good offensive line, they have a very 63 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: young Yes, so they've gone away from bringing in the 64 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: future Hall of famers like they did the last couple 65 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: of years and now they're building and they have I 66 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: think they have three first round picks and a second. 67 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: Round pick, and they fashion Vera, tuck Are, and Membo 68 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 2: would be the first round. 69 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: And the second rounder. Right, So so that's a that's 70 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: a pretty stout group. You know. Listen, there was a 71 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: couple of years ago when the Giants had had all 72 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: that investment in their offensive line that that kind of 73 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: flittered away too. 74 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 2: I guarantees nothing. 75 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: It doesn't It doesn't mean any it doesn't mean anything. 76 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a nice April story, but once 77 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: you get to September, uh, who cares. But anyways, but 78 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: to the point, they do have some some good blockers there, 79 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: uh and and the Giants were just ate them up 80 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: really from for most of these past two days. I 81 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: was I think they had four sacks today. I wasn't 82 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: wasn't watching all of the offensive plays, but it seemed like, uh, 83 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, between Burns and and and abdul and and 84 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: and Thibodeau, you know, they and decks there they were 85 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: they were able to man handle everybody up front. So 86 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: that's that's really promising for the Giants, I think. 87 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: And by the way, I think what kind of impresses 88 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: me is Dex isn't really going yet he does one 89 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: or two team reps. I think he did one one 90 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: on one rep that I saw, like he's not even 91 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: up to like full speed yet decks to Lawrence. Once 92 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: he gets to like full decks Yeah, and anyway the 93 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: other guys, it becomes even I think tougher for teams 94 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: to block. 95 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna it's gonna be a real, a real, 96 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: a real issue for for opposing teams. It's gonna be very, 97 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: very curious to see how they how they do this. 98 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: And obviously obviously a lot of pressure is gonna be 99 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: on Bone and how how they how he deploys them, 100 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: because you want, you want, you're gonna want to get 101 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: all those three ed rushers on the field at the 102 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: same time, and then who's who's the odd guy out? 103 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: And you know the other thing I'm looking for too, 104 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: is I I remember always remember talking with Harry Carson 105 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: about playing with Lawrence Taylor and how different it was 106 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: and how he had to get used to it. 107 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: You asked that question today to Carter, right, Yeah, yeah, 108 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 2: good question. 109 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: And and so Harry, Harry Carson would always say that 110 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: when when Lawrence was able to improvise, it was up 111 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: to Harry to kind of keep the beat, keep the steady, 112 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: keep the steady beat, and make sure that everything was covered. 113 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: And Carl on the other side too, right, and Carl 114 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 2: and all the other side. 115 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: So you can't you can't just it's like a jazz trio, right, 116 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: And you can't. You can't just have everybody going willy nilly. 117 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: Somebody's got somebody's got to maintain the order. And so 118 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: I think these guys are gonna have to learn how 119 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: to play with Abdul as much as Abdul is gonna 120 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: more so probably that Abdul is gonna have to learn 121 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: how to play in the NFL. 122 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 2: And it seems like they're putting a lot on Carter's plate. 123 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: You know. 124 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 2: I thought maybe we might see Burns and Thibodeau lineup 125 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 2: in a lot of different spots. We've seen it, but 126 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: the guy that's been all over the place has really 127 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: been Carter. So I wonder if it's gonna be all right, Well, 128 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: you're gonna line up in a lot of different spots, 129 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 2: but we're not gonna ask you to do a lot 130 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: of different things because you know, I think if you 131 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 2: try to expand that plate and make it, you know, 132 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: put too many different meals in front of him, I 133 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: think maybe it gets a little tough because but if 134 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: you just said, all right, dude, your job this year, 135 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: go get the quarterback, we'll worry about dropping on the 136 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 2: zones and doing all that stuff the other year. So 137 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: maybe if they they can put them in all these 138 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: different spots, if they narrow a little bit what his 139 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: assignments are going. 140 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 1: To you just go, do you right, well, see ball, 141 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: get ball, and we'll tell you where the line up, 142 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: and then the rest of us are gonna are gonna 143 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: work around there. I think that's that's the thing. And 144 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: and you talk about the big plate that they have 145 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: for him, I mean, he's cleaning the plate. I haven't. 146 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: I haven't seen him make a miss misstep yet. So 147 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: it's it's exciting. You know, you and I both know 148 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: you and I are both also grown out our hair 149 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: until he gets his first sack as as it's pretty obvious, 150 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: and uh, and maybe we'll all get a haircut in 151 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: September eighth. 152 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely get in here. 153 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the 154 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: middle with at the score great. 155 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: How do we make that happen? I don't know, but 156 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 2: Citizens does? 157 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,799 Speaker 1: It makes sense of your money with Citizens Official Bank 158 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: of Eli Manning, and I. 159 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 2: Will say this, I think kind of lost under the radar. 160 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: You could have a great pass rush, but if you 161 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: can't have some modicum of coverage on the back end, 162 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 2: you're giving up big plays and you're playing from behind 163 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: all the time. It's not gonna help. I just think 164 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: that steadiness and the frankly intelligence that Holland and a 165 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: Debo are gonna bring kind of get I don't know 166 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: if this was by design or not, but most of 167 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: their free Asian additions and everything came on defense this 168 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: year just so happened. That's how would win the offseason. 169 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 2: But I think that combined as there was no way 170 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: to know they were gonna get Abdul Carter right when 171 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: they sign those guys, I think having those steadying presidents 172 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 2: on the back end will make Carter's impact up front 173 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: even greater. You know what I mean? 174 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: Right, Well, that goes back to what we were talking about, 175 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: where where if everything else is taken care of, if 176 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: everybody's if everybody's playing to the steady beat, and he 177 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: can he can go off and and and and riff 178 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: and and be Miles Davis or whatever whatever analogy you 179 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: want to have for for a musician. Then I think 180 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: that that makes the Giants defense all the better. And 181 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: they brought in these you know, they're good players. Uh, 182 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: they're smart players too. There's there's they're smart, smart guys 183 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 1: and and and they understand what their roles are here 184 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: and what they can do to improve things. And I 185 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: think that's gonna that's gonna go a long way. Also 186 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: looking forward to Okarak speaking of that whole kind of 187 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: smart guy thing. You know he's got that Stanford connection 188 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: now with a debo, right, Yeah. 189 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: And then you know Bobby said he interacts with with 190 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: Holland and Nuban a lot. They have to communicate back 191 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: and forth a lot to kind of make sure that's 192 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: all clean. And you got to imagine this Nuban' is 193 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: a smart guy too. Between Holland nubeneral Karaka, you can't 194 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: imagine you're gonna have too many communication mistakes in that 195 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: triangle right the course of these games. 196 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: And Phillips too, I would put Phillip Phillips point in 197 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: that in that uh, in that area too. 198 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: Yes, I guess i'd be mill over. Yeah. It's like 199 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: it's like a quadra lotta, a quadra lotter. I'm good 200 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 2: with that. 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I see a lot of more freedom, 210 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: a lot more uh playing without thinking, And I think 211 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: that's that's important. Especially I had a talk with with 212 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: Okarake a couple of days ago, and he said that 213 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: it did take him a while to to figure out 214 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: this defense and to and to understand what was required 215 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: of him and and what was required of everybody, because 216 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: obviously that at that MIC spot, he's going to be 217 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: UH directing a lot of traffic. And and he feels 218 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: like this year he's he's come back in and he's 219 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: really in a much better place to understand what's going 220 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: on and what's what's being asked of everyone on that defense. 221 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: So I think I think it's just a kind of 222 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: a year two thing, uh that that that naturally takes 223 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: some time. Sometimes sometimes things things happen quickly and sometimes 224 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: they don't. Yeah, And I think that you know, we listen, 225 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: we saw we saw with Winket it happened quickly, right, 226 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: and and and everybody ever he took to it, and 227 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: it was kind of a magic thing. This defense is 228 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more cerebral and and maybe a 229 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: little bit more reactionary, and a lot more rules that 230 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: that have to be followed. And I think that once 231 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: these guys get those down and then then they can start, 232 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: then they can really start to play. 233 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: Hey, look, I don't know how much you take out 234 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: of preseason game number one, but I thought they did 235 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 2: play a lot more man in that preseason game that 236 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: we saw them play last year. We'll see if that 237 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: carries over. 238 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: I don't remember what they did last preseason. I got 239 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: to be honest with. 240 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 2: You, all right, So before we head over to the offense, 241 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: I mentioned preseason games. I might as well ask you 242 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: about that as someone that's been doing this as long 243 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: as you have. How much do you take out of 244 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 2: preseason games in terms of team performance or is it 245 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: more of a how do individual players do in their 246 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: kind of developmental process? 247 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: A little bit of both. I think I always remember 248 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: going back to covering those those games when when Eli 249 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: was around and they were they would go into these 250 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: preseason games and they'd play Athlisberger or Cam Newton or 251 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: there's somebody else in Carolina, you know, Carolina, and the 252 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: other quarterback would come out and he just kind of 253 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: for the first drive you go down the field, he was, 254 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, four for five for seventy three yards and 255 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: they score a touchdown and that was that was it. 256 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: And that never seemed to happen with the Giants, right, 257 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: The Giants could never do that. It was like, oh, 258 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: Eli was Eli was sacked or you know, he's the 259 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: completed one short pass and that was it. You know. 260 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: Seeing the offense be able to function in Buffalo was 261 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: was sort of a bright spot. I thought, I had 262 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: to bee and and and compared to compared to where 263 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: they where they were a year ago, and and and 264 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: where they were the quarterback situation a year ago. Uh, 265 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: you know, they're they're much better off, and then you 266 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: and then but then you get beyond that and they say, well, 267 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: it's it's Russell Wilson. What are we what are we 268 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: really looking at here? And he obviously doesn't have neighbors yet, 269 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: and so there's there's a lot a lot of pieces missing. 270 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas hasn't even been on the field yet, which 271 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: is uh, you know, a couple of hours away from 272 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: starting to get worrisome. 273 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 2: That's gonna have to start. 274 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, when we when we when we start looking 275 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: at the thinking about the opener. But yeah, they they 276 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: are the individual development, is what I'm gonna say. And obviously, 277 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: you know, Jackson is the one that that stood out 278 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: there on Saturday. What do you think of dark I 279 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: thought he's a gamer, he was thirty. He's better at 280 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: games than he is a. 281 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 2: Practice Yes, Moxie, that's important. He does have that. 282 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: Because there's a couple of other quarterbacks that have been 283 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: here in the past that were practice quarterbacks that that 284 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: couldn't do it in the game. And if he's if 285 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: he's the kind of kid who can elevate his stuff 286 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: and really really bring it forward and when lights are 287 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: the brightest, I think I think there's something to be 288 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: said for that, and that's a that's a big that's 289 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: a good skill to have. 290 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: How do you feel like they are going to handle 291 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: this during the regular season with the quarterback development cycle. 292 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's tough. I mean, you gotta you gotta know 293 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: where where we are in the season and what their 294 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: record is and what they're looking at. 295 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: You just get the same answer that I give them. 296 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 2: We get callers on the same. 297 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: Question so many there's so many variables. I mean, I 298 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: don't get the sense that they're itching to put him in. 299 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 2: I get the same exactly. 300 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: I don't get I don't get that sense. I think 301 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: I think they'd be they'd be very happy having having 302 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: Russell and maybe Jamison a couple of times. 303 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: So here's another question, quarterback. Here's a good question. And 304 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: we had this, we had this debate on Baby Big 305 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: Bout the other day. And this is me knocking on 306 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: with not wishing this into existence. Second quarter week one, 307 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: Russell Wilker. Let's say Russell Wilson gets stepped on right 308 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: and he has to leave the game for like the 309 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: rest of the game is going to be back. Fine, 310 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: who's the first quarterback in? Is that Dardo Jenis. 311 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: I think Jamis will be the number two. 312 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 2: That right, that was also Paul and I's guest. 313 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: My guess is that Jamis will be the two, and 314 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: then Dart will be the emergency third quarterback. It's and 315 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: you know, so that'll be an interesting point to kind 316 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: of gauge where that happens, where that where that changed 317 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: takes place. Right, you know, some Sunday at eleven thirty am, 318 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: we'll get it all of a sudden, Oh a big 319 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: news story. Oh oh wait a second Jackson is the 320 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: number two. I see, I see so but you know, 321 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: like I said that, nobody's rushing this. There's no there's 322 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: no reason to rushing. Did I didn't think. I didn't think. 323 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: I thought Russ was going to be here and and 324 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: sort of be a placeholder. I think they. I think 325 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: they feel pretty good about having Russ as their quarterble. 326 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 2: I think he's And it's funny, I always kind of 327 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: you know, people talk about, oh, you know, he brings 328 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: the energy and all this stuff. I've always been a 329 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: guy that's going to roll my eyesmen, like whatever can 330 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: he play? That's what matters. What this guy is brought 331 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: into this building. It has like like you can almost 332 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: just see the confidence level, like the high tide lifting 333 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: all boats, like you've seen it. Like people believe in 334 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: him as a player and as a guy and how 335 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: he does things, and I think it's made them believe 336 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 2: more in everything just because he's the guy captaining a 337 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: ship right now. 338 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: You don't you need your quarterback to be that guy. 339 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: And they didn't. They didn't have that for a couple 340 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: of years. 341 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: It's been a bit. 342 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: They didn't have anybody who was the face of the franchise. 343 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: I always go back. I was talking talk with the 344 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: other writers, We say, if the Giants ever made it 345 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl, who's that who's at podium one? 346 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: You know who's who's sitting at podium one? When you 347 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: when you walk into media night there and the past 348 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: few years, it's like you have to. 349 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: Be Saquon right, that would be the guy, right you. 350 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: Have your quarterback there? You can't and now now it 351 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: would be it would be Russ, right. You would have 352 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: Russ and Decks and neighbors and you would have Burns, 353 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: K and k T. 354 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 2: Carter and Carter would be. 355 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: Carter would be there, and you know, there's there's there's 356 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: a lot of podium guys. 357 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: And that's what you need, especially a good way to 358 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: put a podium guys. 359 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: I like that. 360 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: That's pretty good. 361 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes 362 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: of crunch time football, I'm your man. But if you're 363 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk 364 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: to Citizens. Hey, I can also talk long care. 365 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 2: I'd like to learn about amia routine. 366 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your 367 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: money with Citizens. 368 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: All right, we we got away from the joy practices. 369 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: I thought one thing, and again, this is not his 370 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: strength for the Jets their pass rush, Right, that's considered 371 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: fairly basically a weakness for the Jets. 372 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: You would think, right now, well they have so they 373 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: have McDonald and and they're getting Jermaine Johnson back. He's yeah, 374 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: he didn't participate this week. 375 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: And Quinn Williams really didn't do a whole lot this week. 376 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Quinton's out. Yeah he's been out so. 377 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: So not a ton of top pass rushers. But I 378 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: thought the Giants offensive line did a really nice job 379 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: in terms of protecting the quarterback. 380 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: I was really I was. I know this is gonna 381 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: light up your phone lines. I was watching Evan Neil 382 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: today and and. 383 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: He did okay, he did pretty good. 384 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: He did pretty well. He was he was switching side 385 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: there at guard. I like him in that confined space. 386 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: I think once he gets his hands on somebody, it's over. 387 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: I think that's that's his advantage. It's it's when he's 388 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: out in space, it gets a little a little diceier, 389 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: and he's gotta he's gotta move. But he up you know, 390 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: up close in those in those tight confines at guard. 391 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it might. I think it 392 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: might work, John. 393 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: I think it might work to it. And then again, 394 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 2: I don't know if that necessarily means week one he's 395 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 2: one of your two starting guards. 396 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. 397 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 2: But if he's your first guard off the bench, you 398 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: guess what that guy's gonna have to play at some point. 399 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: That's just the way the league works. 400 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: Right, It's yeah, or or your center gets hurt and 401 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: somebody's gonna move over. 402 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 2: Right, That's a good point. 403 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: There's there's there's a couple of permutations there that can 404 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: that can get him on the field. But I think 405 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: I think he'll be I think he'll be okay with that, 406 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: you know, Van Roten. Obviously, we saw him getting too 407 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: a little bit of a of a fight there, and 408 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: that was fun to see. 409 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 2: James was in the mix of a couple of little. 410 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: Mess got in the middle of it. We saw, uh, 411 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of couple of the guys, A 412 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: couple of the guys come flying in bo. 413 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: I think it was one of the guys that rolled. 414 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: I didn't see that. 415 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: I was mixing it up. So that he's. 416 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: Had a nice couple of days. He's sound a pretty 417 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 2: good job doing a couple of these practices. 418 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: You would have thought it from early on that Hudson 419 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: would be the guy to to be starting all these things. 420 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, he was quiet this week. There wasn't a 421 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: whole lot going on with him in terms of causing trouble. 422 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: And at one point I saw Runyon was out there 423 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: and he was kind of squaring off with somebody and 424 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: then and then they kind of broke it up. But 425 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: so they didn't really come to any physical contact. Maybe 426 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: he was afraid his dad was gonna find him. 427 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 2: That's a good point. It's so noticeably different when the 428 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 2: league neighbors isn't out there, is it? At wide receiver? 429 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's that's that's that's a big difference, 430 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: and there's a really big gap between him and the 431 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: rest of the receivers. And and that's no knock on 432 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: the other receivers. It's it's it's a compliment to Malik 433 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: and the attention that he draws from the defense and 434 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: and the plays that he can open up for other people, 435 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: and the plays that he makes those fifty to fifty 436 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: balls really sometimes the twenty eighty balls in the other 437 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: in the defensive favor that he comes down with. And 438 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: you know, with him, I always go back to I 439 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: watched some of the Pro Bowl games last year at 440 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: the end, at the end of the season, and he 441 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: was lighting it up there in the second half. Now 442 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: they're only playing flag or two in touch or whatever 443 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: they were doing, but he caught more balls in stride 444 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: than in that six minutes that I watched that game 445 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: than he did the entire season. That when you have 446 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: a quarterback who can place the ball where he needs 447 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: it and he can go and make a play and 448 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: continue to make the play after he catches the ball, 449 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: it's such a difference maker, John And and you know, 450 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: with Russ, I think he has that I think that's 451 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: going to be a really good, a really good combination. 452 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: Runner walk with Giants Legends of Giants Foundation walst a 453 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 2: five k racing Kids are unpresented by Quest on Sunday, 454 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 2: October twenty six and nine am met Life Stadium. That 455 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: proceeds will benefit the Giants Foundation. 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Are we going to see Brian 463 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 2: Dable in because you know he's really tried to adjust 464 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 2: his offense if at Russell strengths, right, is this gonna 465 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 2: look like peak Russ Seattle? All right, we're gonna run 466 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: the ball out. We're gonna do play action if it's 467 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 2: down not down the field, get the ball out quickly, 468 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: because you know, taking sacks as kind of what his 469 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 2: kryptonite is. But Dave has always been a guy that 470 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 2: has been kind of a pass first coordinator, right, Or 471 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: is this gonna be a team that passes more with 472 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 2: eleven personnel? Is it gonna be again play action with 473 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: twelve with double tight ends. What do you think this 474 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: is going to look like when we get the week one, 475 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 2: just in terms of what their overall approach on offense 476 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 2: is gonna be. 477 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: I think it. Well, First of all, tell me who 478 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: the personnel is, right, So is Andrew Thomas out there? 479 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: Is Blake Neighbors out there? 480 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 2: Let's assume both those guys are playing. 481 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, uh yeah, I mean I think they're gonna 482 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: it's gonna be uh, keep it close, don't make mistakes 483 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: offense that relies on the defense to to keep them 484 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: in the game. 485 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 2: And then take your shots when you can, take your 486 00:20:58,840 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 2: shots when. 487 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: You can, and then and at the end, hope that 488 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: your offense is smart enough and poised enough to make 489 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: those fourth quarter plays, those late fourth quarter plays that 490 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: are the difference in so many of these games that 491 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: we see in the league that come down to the 492 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: red zone channel. 493 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 2: And this is the ultimate question. In the end, will 494 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 2: the offensive line you think be good enough to allow 495 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 2: them to play that way? 496 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: I think they were. They were last year for a 497 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: while until Andrew got hurt. I agree with you, and uh, 498 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, I thought it's something something interesting that Dart 499 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: said today is you know they they went that whole 500 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: game obviously in Buffalo without taking a sack, and Dart 501 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: said he texted the offensive line. He said, I've never 502 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: played in the pocket that clean. 503 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 2: Before in my life, and so's the last time you're 504 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 2: here at Giants quarterbacks say that about their offensive line. 505 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: Never. Never, even even when Eli was winning the NFC 506 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: Championship game, he was getting pummeled. 507 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he probably got to go back to 508 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 2: like two thousand and eight, right or something like that. 509 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: And before the thing, I mean, Daniel used to text 510 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: the offensive line, I've never played in the pocket like 511 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: this too. But that was a different that was a 512 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: different extreme. 513 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: Yes, it was Tom. What are you go going on? 514 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: Tell the folks what you do? Anything you want to promote? 515 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: The floor is yours Tuesday dot com for all your 516 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: coverage of the Giants the Jets. I have a book 517 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: coming out, Oh do you three and fifty football jokes? 518 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: No way, dad, some dad jokes, some funny stories. It's 519 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: called three hundred three hundred and fifty foot. 520 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: When is that coming out? 521 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: August twenty eighth. 522 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, we're gonna have to have you back and 523 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 2: talk about that. That's great. 524 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: It's some really bad dad jokes. 525 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: Oh I love bad dad jokes. 526 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: What's a football player's favorite dessert any given Sunday? 527 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: That's so bad? Oh, this is I'm all about it. 528 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: Some funny stories. 529 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 2: You are one of the funnier NFL reporters on Twitter. 530 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: Appreciate that, but it tried to tone it down when 531 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,479 Speaker 1: I come in here with you. 532 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 2: It's a very subtle humor. But I think that that's 533 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 2: why it works. 534 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: We'll see how the book plays out. 535 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 2: I think I'm I'm very excited about all the dad jokes. 536 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: That's Tom Rock from news Day. 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