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Speaker 1: Fish and Filtered Episode eighty three, and within the last

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Speaker 1: it can be pretty bad, but regardless, we're here to

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Speaker 1: us up perfectly for the next Fishing Filtered, which Isaac

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Speaker 1: and I will be in Orlando for here with my

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Speaker 1: co host, good friend Isaac Zooit also with the founder

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Speaker 1: of Fish On First, Eli Sussman. Isaac. A lot has

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Speaker 1: but let's start with the biggest event of them all,

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Speaker 1: the Turkey Drive. You were there and that actually coincided

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Speaker 1: then your usuals Carolina O'Connor was there, Clayton McCullough was there,

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Speaker 1: Peter Bendix was there, and it was a mystery as

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Speaker 1: so I'm sure he spoke to multiple people there. What

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Speaker 1: And then obviously we could tie it into your thoughts

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Speaker 1: first of all, it was much more than just turkey.

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Speaker 2: All sorts of nice foods and vegetables to or a

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Speaker 2: really nice to see. Is my second time covering the events,

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Speaker 2: all seven arbitration eligible players. The first hint that they

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Speaker 2: Has just been a lot of speculation with him given

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Speaker 2: But I guess when you have a starting pitcher, you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and on top of that, he saw as a

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Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, moving on, Kyle Stowers was in the

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Speaker 1: I see both sides to it. Like you start with, wow,

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Speaker 1: He's under club control until twenty thirty, and he doesn't

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Speaker 1: On the other side, it's refreshing to hear that they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, it is nice to see that

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Speaker 3: Do, it's going to be tough. It's not easy to

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Speaker 1: I'll let Eli dive into this one too, because I

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Speaker 1: know you wrote the article and you had some comps

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Speaker 4: Stoward said. With the actual numbers that are speculated about,

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Speaker 2: Look at the rise of Laglaciers deal one year, sixteen

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Speaker 2: million dollars with the Braves.

437
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Speaker 3: That thought he made a little bit of sense.

438
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Speaker 2: I thought he could have had maybe a pretty decent

439
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 2: floor for the Marlins in twenty twenty six, alas he

440
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Speaker 2: returned to Atlanta for one more season. Devin Williams has

441
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 2: been reported he could be seeking a one to two

442
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 2: year deal maybe one year with a club option. And

443
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 2: Ryan Helsey is another guy that I believe someone's mentioned.

444
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 2: It's clear that they're looking for a high leverage, right

445
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,439
Speaker 2: handed relievers who can help early in the season and

446
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 2: if the season of fortune does go to poop, you

447
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 2: can to have a nice, big trade chip in July.

448
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of those names to make sense.

449
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 2: Just curious to see how much those guys can command.

450
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 2: Given that Rise of Lea Glace has got sixteen million dollars,

451
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 2: I think that's a little bit too expensive for what

452
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Speaker 2: the models would be willing to spend on a short

453
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Speaker 2: term reliever.

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Speaker 3: We'll have to see how the market plays out going forward.

455
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Speaker 1: Anyone that stands out to you there, like, which one

456
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Speaker 1: do you want the most? I think we know because

457
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Speaker 1: of your off season blueprint.

458
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Speaker 4: But regardless, Ryan Helsley is my guy that I would want. Unfortunately,

459
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Speaker 4: it seems that more than a few people have the

460
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Speaker 4: same idea, because there is pretty bullish reporting in terms

461
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Speaker 4: of how much money he could potentially get and how

462
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Speaker 4: many teams are interested in him, including some as a

463
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Speaker 4: potential starting pitcher. One of those candidates to convert from

464
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Speaker 4: a reliever to a starter.

465
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Speaker 3: That was how.

466
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Speaker 4: That's how several guys in the past few years have

467
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Speaker 4: gotten bigger contracts anticipated. The most recent offseason in Clay

468
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Speaker 4: Holmes is one of those access stories, going from the

469
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Speaker 4: Yankees to the Mets and getting a solid three year deal.

470
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Speaker 4: Before that, one that went very poorly long term was

471
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Speaker 4: Jordan Hicks two years ago. He ended up getting a

472
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Speaker 4: surprising four year, forty four million dollar year deal from

473
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Speaker 4: the Giants, and it looked all right as a starter

474
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Speaker 4: the first half of the first season, and he's been

475
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Speaker 4: awful ever since. It's kind of hit or miss when

476
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Speaker 4: you try doing something like that. I just love him

477
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Speaker 4: as a reliever. I'd keep him as a reliever. I

478
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 4: think the bounce back potential is very obvious for a

479
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Speaker 4: guy that was in the undisputed top tier of closers

480
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Speaker 4: in baseball in two years ago. In twenty twenty four,

481
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Speaker 4: despite the hiccup he had with the Mets, I feel

482
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Speaker 4: it's all very fixable. So the question is if enough

483
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Speaker 4: teams feel the same way, then all of a sudden,

484
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 4: that takes the commitment maybe beyond the comfortable range for

485
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Speaker 4: the Marlins. I initially thought he was like a three

486
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Speaker 4: year deal twenty four to twenty five million, and that

487
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Speaker 4: seems a little low now that if he gets that much,

488
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Speaker 4: it may only be two years, then may be an

489
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Speaker 4: opt out. I envisioned there being an opt out after

490
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 4: the first year anyway in terms of him bouncing back,

491
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Speaker 4: so I'd be fine with that. It's just that I

492
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Speaker 4: think he's going to be that's even higher than Fairbanks

493
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Speaker 4: on a lot of teams priority lists, just because the

494
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 4: velocity is still elite, the slider is still elite. So

495
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 4: the ingredients for him to be a premier swing and

496
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 4: miss guy are pretty obvious right there. We'll have to

497
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Speaker 4: see how it plays out, just like you. My eyebrow

498
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 4: was raised by ryceele Iglesias getting as much money as

499
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Speaker 4: he did, but it was only a one year commitment

500
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Speaker 4: as well, So I kind of just sign off on

501
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 4: the fact that they're not going to be spending sixteen

502
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 4: million per year even on a one year deal for reliever.

503
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,479
Speaker 4: That'll have to come lower than that. But yeah, Hellsley

504
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 4: is the one that sticks out to me. And if

505
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Speaker 4: fairback fan Banks is kind of a fallback plan, that's

506
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 4: fine with me too. But there's there's a lot of

507
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 4: options still out there, so that's kind of this thing

508
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 4: that Marlins have to be hoping for is that somebody

509
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 4: pretty good just falls through the cracks just because of

510
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 4: there being a big supply and not a big demand,

511
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 4: but even a bigger supply of those guys out there.

512
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Speaker 4: So as much as we're talking about this now, in

513
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 4: the back of my mind, I'm fully prepared for February eighth,

514
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 4: is when we finally get the signing of a one

515
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 4: year deal to a pretty good reliever that just didn't

516
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Speaker 4: have a fit elsewhere. That's how this front office is

517
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 4: in the last couple of years they've given us. There's

518
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 4: plenty to talk about now just because there's this very

519
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 4: obvious expectation that they're going to spend money on somebody,

520
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean that it's gonna happen early in

521
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 4: the offseason. I'm gonna until they prove otherwise. I'm still

522
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Speaker 4: gonna expect the actual signings to come relatively late once

523
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 4: they uh, once that everything else plays out across the league.

524
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one big thing too, is like Edwin

525
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: Diaz is still out there, Robert Suarz is still out there.

526
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Speaker 1: I feel like one of once those two are at

527
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: least one of the two signs, so that's when I

528
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Speaker 1: think we'll see this market materialize more. But again those

529
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: are like Tier A. I think everyone that follows them

530
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: is in that TIERB category of Fairbanks, Williams and the

531
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Speaker 1: other one Helsley. I think those three guys are like

532
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Speaker 1: Tier B, and that's where you would have put a

533
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: Rice Cell too. But I think Fairbanks is the cheapest

534
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: of the three, just given it seems like people really

535
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,719
Speaker 1: really want Devin Williams, they really really want Hellsley, as

536
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,719
Speaker 1: Eli noted. And then I think it was the Tigers

537
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: who want to make them the starting pitcher, which was

538
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: interesting because I don't I don't know what it's arsenal

539
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: looked like right off the bat. I think it may

540
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: be three pitchers, maybe four, but still interesting to want

541
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Speaker 1: to do that. But I think Fairbanks falls into the

542
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 1: cheapest one. And I think Peter Bendix just knowing the guy,

543
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: how he pitches whatever, and he had this cutter too

544
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: right towards the end of the season that really worked

545
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: out early on, so curious to see that throughout a

546
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Speaker 1: full season. But moving on next month or two weeks

547
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Speaker 1: from that, not even next month, the winter meetings, they

548
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: are gonna be in Orlando from December eighth to the eleventh,

549
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: Isaac and I will be there for it. All should

550
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: be fun, Isaac. I feel like the Winter Meetings aren't

551
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: what they used to be, but the Marlins.

552
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 3: Didn't make some moves.

553
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: The last time in the Winter Meetings, they traded shake

554
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: Berger and we had some action. I would say Crutching

555
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: got himself with pretty good Winter Meetings. I know it

556
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: wasn't the same for you and when it was in Nashville,

557
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: but regardless, should be a good time. And with all

558
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: the rumors and Marls still needing to fill out the

559
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: coaching staff, we should find out some good stuff over there.

560
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be a fun time.

561
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Speaker 2: The one that I went to in Nashville there was

562
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: Peter Bendix's first career Winter Meetings. I'm not mistaken. So yeah,

563
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: you are definitely right, Kevin. The Winter Meetings are not

564
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Speaker 2: what they used to be whatsoever. Now it's not even

565
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: in the sense that players don't even go there to

566
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Speaker 2: look for jobs or speak to agents, to speak to

567
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Speaker 2: executives anymore.

568
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 3: It's just really a.

569
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Speaker 2: Formality at this point, unfortunately, but nevertheless, it is going

570
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: to be an important time.

571
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Speaker 3: Well, we should be able.

572
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: To speak with Peter Bendix and Clay McCullough almost daily,

573
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 2: or even twice a day, if I remember correctly from

574
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Speaker 2: a couple of years ago.

575
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 3: They make themselves available, and then you.

576
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: Obviously have the Rule five draft happening on Wednesday, the

577
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 2: draft lottery happening on Tuesday. Marlin's an outside chance at

578
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: maybe getting a top ten, top twelve pick in the

579
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: next year's draft. So a lot of important stuff, a

580
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: lot of important days happening during those winter meetings that

581
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Speaker 2: begin on December eighth through the tenth. Kevin and I

582
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: will be driving up on Sunday to Orlando. Luckily it's

583
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: very close downside is it's Orlando, So I guess it's

584
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Speaker 2: a win win there, but very much looking forward to it.

585
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: Do you think they make a pick in the Rule

586
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: five draft, Eli.

587
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Speaker 4: I don't know, man, It's it's we're two weeks away

588
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 4: and the roster is completely full at the moment, and

589
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 4: we know that they're interested in rosters. We are going

590
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 4: to be publishing and by the time people listen to

591
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 4: this your article with Sean McCormick on our site about

592
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 4: some potential Rule five possibilities that I'll be up there

593
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 4: for people to read, it is definitely worth taking a

594
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 4: close look at some of those guys as who For

595
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 4: people that aren't aware, the Rule five order is the

596
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 4: reverse standings and there's no lottery, so you can't move

597
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 4: up in the Rule five draft from where you are.

598
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 4: The Marlins, by finishing as strongly as they did, they

599
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 4: are going to be twelve in the draft order, which

600
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 4: means that some guys are going to be off the board.

601
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 4: There's only so many guys each year that are actually

602
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 4: worthy of stashing on your roster. So depending on if

603
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 4: other teams value them the same way the Marlins do,

604
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 4: and those teams have open spots, some will be off

605
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 4: the board before the Marlins had the chance to pick

606
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 4: so far. So that is Lean's mad to think unlikely,

607
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 4: But then again, they surprised us last year with Liam Hicks,

608
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 4: and the Liam Hicks first year went very well and

609
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 4: certainly improved his value from where it was when he

610
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Speaker 4: was left unprotected by his previous team, so it cannot

611
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 4: be ruled out. I'd like to see them given the stakes,

612
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 4: the expect I shouldn't say the stakes, the expectations generally

613
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 4: around the team entering twenty twenty six is that's going

614
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 4: to be a team that's in the mix for a

615
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 4: postseason bird. And it's really hard to have that stance

616
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 4: if you're actually if you're rostering somebody that has to

617
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 4: be un your roster all year, there's no big league experience,

618
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: it was left unprotected by his previous team. It's you know,

619
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Speaker 4: you usually don't see that combination of a rule thought

620
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Speaker 4: pick with a team that has serious aspirations of contending

621
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Speaker 4: right now. Just to one quick note that we'd had

622
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 4: references that as we're recording this. The trade was finalized

623
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 4: with Sunny Gray going to the Red Sox for including

624
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 4: one of the Red sox better prospects going the other way.

625
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 4: So that's just one move that maybe whenever we see

626
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 4: any significant movie, hope that there's some sort of ripple

627
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 4: effect that impacts other players, if not across the league,

628
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 4: then at least at that position. So seeing a starting

629
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 4: pitcher go off the board from the Cardinals to the

630
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 4: Red Sox will have some potentially some ramifications on the Marlins.

631
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Speaker 4: We know that there's a lot of teams across the

632
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 4: league that are interested in trading for Marlins starting pitchers.

633
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: So Nike, the Red Sox a little bit less likely

634
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 4: to do it, but then again it should hiden the

635
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 4: urgency for other teams that are looking to add somebody

636
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 4: that way this offseason.

637
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that, because I didn't want

638
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: to talk about that Sunny Great trade. It was a

639
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: good trade. They got a big league pitcher and Richard

640
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: Fitz and then they got the top a top five

641
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: prospect and Brandon Clark, who I know at least I

642
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: had mocked a couple times to the Marlins. He's sixty

643
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: four pitcher was drafted I think this past season in

644
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: the in the draft, not twenty twenty sixth, the one

645
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: before that or the twenty twenty four draft. It was

646
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Speaker 1: the one before that.

647
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Speaker 3: I like to pick.

648
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: I thought it was a good pick, six to four guy,

649
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: hard throwing, alrighty and uh yeah, I thought it was

650
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: a good trade. And Sunny Grod obviously had to accept

651
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: the trade or waive his no trade class. So we

652
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: had that trade, and then on Sunday we had the

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Speaker 1: NEMO for for Simeon Swamp, which I think took a

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Speaker 1: lot of people by surprise, but when you kind of

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Speaker 1: look at it, it was a good trade for both sides.

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Speaker 1: But Isaac, anything else to go over before we we

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Speaker 1: wrap up here. It definitely seems like the Marlins are

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Speaker 1: active and it looks like they may may make some moves.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully they're in a winter meetings to give us something

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Speaker 1: to talk about there, But it seems like the needs

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Speaker 1: are clear first base. I know it's been reported the

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Speaker 1: third base is also a need. I don't really think

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Speaker 1: they'll address that, to be honest with you, Maybe they'll

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Speaker 1: bring in like a minor league free agent. But the

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Speaker 1: other one that I was looking at, and I want

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Speaker 1: you to talk about this, is they need a right

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Speaker 1: handed hitting outfielder. They have so many lefties, and I.

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Speaker 3: Know there's a need.

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Speaker 1: There's no real need for an outfielder specifically, but I

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Speaker 1: think most of them, if not all of them, are

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Speaker 1: left left handed hitting outfielders, and I think that would

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Speaker 1: definitely be something they could address in the off season,

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Speaker 1: at least bring one of one in, even if it's

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Speaker 1: like a minor league deal or you know, an Adules

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Speaker 1: Garcia who who was recently non tender. Something like that

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Speaker 1: wouldn't wouldn't hurt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, regarding they have Herbert to Hernandez, they have Pablo Snoho,

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Speaker 2: They can all play some outfield for the Marlins.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if.

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Speaker 2: They really need a right head hitting out outfielder. They

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Speaker 2: also have Kem Balderman just waiting in the wings to

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Speaker 2: play some outfield for them as well, so they do

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Speaker 2: have some options internally for sure. But yeah, like you said,

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Speaker 2: there are some non tendered guys that could make a

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Speaker 2: lot of sense for Miami, especially a Cuban outfielder like

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Speaker 2: and Dolis Garcia who has struggled offensively but still provides.

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Speaker 3: A lot of value defensively. That could be an option.

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Speaker 3: I just think the.

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Speaker 2: Whole Marlin's part of this offseason just depending on what

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Speaker 2: happens with Edward Cabrera. I am still waiting to see

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Speaker 2: the fact that they're even reportedly interested in Michael King.

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Speaker 2: I think it just means that they're really looking to

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Speaker 2: trade at Ric Cabrera and the five million dollars he's

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Speaker 2: set to make this year.

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Speaker 3: He did end the season healthy.

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Speaker 2: Quote unquote, and I do think that he could bring

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Speaker 2: in a decent haul and that would get at least

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Speaker 2: another five million dollars off the books, which would allow

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Speaker 2: them to sign either another starting pitcher or reallocate that

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Speaker 2: money elsewhere. So I just think the Marlins market of

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Speaker 2: things I'm almost part of this offseason is just contingent

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Speaker 2: on what they do with Edward Cabrera, and until that

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Speaker 2: domino falls, I think you're gonna have to wait until,

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Speaker 2: like Eli said early twenty twenty six, before you see

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Speaker 2: a May Marlins move, because they can't do it until

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Speaker 2: they know what they're gonna do with guys like Eddie.

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Speaker 1: Alrighty, we're op it up there just under forty minutes

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Speaker 1: episode eighty three of Fish on Filter. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: in two weeks from Orlando talking about what moves may

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Speaker 1: have happened, what didn't happen, and hopefully by that point

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Speaker 1: we have a coaching staff finalised and Marlins are losing

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Speaker 1: quite a bit of coaches. They've lost three of them,

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Speaker 1: but we'll talk about that in the next one. So

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Speaker 1: from Eli, Isaac and myself, we'll see you guys all

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Speaker 1: in two weeks. Peace out and as always, go Fish