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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of

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Speaker 1: My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: Listener mail. This is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick.

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Speaker 1: And boy, we got a bunch of good listener mail

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Speaker 1: for you today. These came in in response to our

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Speaker 1: episodes on mirrors on Waiting I think on Chrono Telly

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Speaker 1: the Soviet Lord of the Rings adaptation. I'm very excited, Robert,

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Speaker 1: you ready to jump right in? Let's do it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe I'll start off doing this one from Cody about mirrors.

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Speaker 1: Cody says, j plus are, oh boy, so much to

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Speaker 1: say about mirrors, and I'll keep it as brief as

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Speaker 1: I can. Really, you guys could have done a five

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Speaker 1: part series on mirrors and it would have stayed fresh

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Speaker 1: the whole time. Okay, So point number one, you guys

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Speaker 1: mentioned solar de O UNI is the largest natural mirror

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Speaker 1: in the world. But I thought you'd like to know

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Speaker 1: that space based telescope and mapping satellites use that mirror

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Speaker 1: to calibrate their instruments because they can see themselves reflected

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Speaker 1: in it. I haven't fact checked this, but I believe you, Cody,

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Speaker 1: and that sounds really interesting, So again as a refresher

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Speaker 1: if you don't remember, this was the giant salt flat

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Speaker 1: I think during the rainy seasons, is in South America,

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Speaker 1: so it forms this giant reflective surface that is a

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Speaker 1: photographer's stream, and a lot of you'll find a lot

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Speaker 1: of cool pictures of people posing there and standing on

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Speaker 1: what looks like an infinite mirror. But Cody goes on

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Speaker 1: point number two. I was attending a conference in Rome

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Speaker 1: that was held in an ancient Roman circular building with

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Speaker 1: a large copper bowl recessed into the floor. Above this bowl,

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Speaker 1: there was a hole in the ceiling, and someone associated

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Speaker 1: with the conference said that this had something to do

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Speaker 1: with letting moonlight into the room and reflecting it around.

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Speaker 1: That got me thinking, though that surely someone would have

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Speaker 1: looked down into this bowl while the moon was overhead

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Speaker 1: would have been shocked to see the moon magnified. Or

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Speaker 1: if not this bowl in particular, somebody somewhere must have

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Speaker 1: accidentally built a crude telescope with a reflective copper bowl

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Speaker 1: and perhaps seen the mountains on the moon long before

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Speaker 1: Thomas Harriet described him in the sixteen hundreds, but no

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Speaker 1: such story exists, or at least I can't find any

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Speaker 1: evidence this happened. Imagine though, had very ancient people like

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Speaker 1: and how different history might have unfolded from then on.

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Speaker 1: That's a really interesting thought, codye. Yeah, absolutely, all right,

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Speaker 1: here's one from Nayla. Nayla writes in and says, Hi,

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Speaker 1: Robert Joan Seth. First off, I'm a huge fan of

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Speaker 1: the show and have been listening for years. I love

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Speaker 1: how you pull from science, history, art, and mythology when

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Speaker 1: considering a subject. I always look forward to seeing what

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Speaker 1: you will tackle next. I just finished your third episode

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Speaker 1: on mirrors, and I have to write in about my cat.

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Speaker 1: We have four cats. We asked for this, by the way,

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Speaker 1: in case we have four cats, Two of them show

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Speaker 1: no interest in mirrors, but the third has actually learned

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Speaker 1: how to use them. Yeah. I have a full length

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Speaker 1: mirror leaning against a wall, and this cat, Chloe, will

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Speaker 1: The furniture blocks line of sight, so Chloe will watch

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Speaker 1: it in the real world. I can't tell if she

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Speaker 1: recognizes herself, but she does seem to be able to

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Speaker 1: accurately relate the reflection to real life. Wow. I'm almost

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Speaker 1: kind of skeptical of this, but but yeah, I I

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Speaker 1: believe what you say, Nayla, um that it seems. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, it seems different than than the self recognition test,

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Speaker 1: But it does seem. Uh certainly, I don't know, harder

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Speaker 1: sounds like Chloe as a clever girl. Anyway, she continues,

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Speaker 1: we recently adopted a kitten, and at first she reacted

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Speaker 1: Completely anecdotal, of course, but I do think cats are

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Speaker 1: Like no, and generally speaking, an animal is as smart

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Speaker 1: I've just finished listening to all three of your episodes

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Speaker 1: interested in talking about a more recent phenomenon, mirror selfies.

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Speaker 1: to tidbits for you to consider number one in mirrors

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Speaker 1: Love the podcast, Alan, So we got this email before

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Speaker 1: the last episode where we were talking more about mirror metaphors,

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Speaker 1: but this is clearly one of the big ones, right,

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Speaker 1: mirror into like a reversed version of yourself off Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: through the looking glass. Okay. We got a couple of

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Speaker 1: messages in response to our Vault episode about the tomato,

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Speaker 1: remember those tomato episodes being being some favorites of mine.

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Speaker 1: One yea very juicy one is from Arthur Apparently. I

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Speaker 1: barbecue flavored potato chips. Scratches the bacon itch. You know that.

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Speaker 1: like your show, respectfully, Blake. Oh my Blake, I think

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Speaker 1: Do not eat that, seriously, we really don't want anybody

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you have thoughts on this. Um. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Whites and Tom Bomba Dill section stand alone with the Fellowship. Yeah,

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