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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: So, going back to Thursday night postgame, Jonathan Gannon said, quote,

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Speaker 1: some things. That's why Zach Gershman is here on a Monday,

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Speaker 1: not Paul Calvicy, and he is not talking about Zach

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Speaker 3: Yikes, I guess we're getting started with this nice and early. Well,

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Speaker 3: welcome back to Monday's edition. If we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: Right now through four games, which is a still a

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Speaker 3: He reminded me a lot of that Marvin Harrison Junior.

436
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Speaker 3: We saw at times throughout last season, the drops. It's frustrating,

437
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Speaker 3: but you knew that there are going to be growing

438
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 3: pains with this. Getting Michael Wilson and getting Greg Dortch

439
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 3: involved in the offense. This is what that offense is

440
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 3: supposed to look like. What can you do to start

441
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 3: to string that together for all four quarters? Well, you

442
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 3: need to have a rushing attack that is able to

443
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Speaker 3: compliment that because that part of the offense can be

444
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Speaker 3: there because we saw it there. Well, we haven't seen

445
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Speaker 3: so far this season at any point has been the

446
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Speaker 3: rushing attack. So that's something that offensive coordinator Drew Petsing,

447
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 3: offensive line coach Justin Frye, Johnthangan, and all three of

448
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 3: them need to sit down and I hope that they

449
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 3: did over this time and said, hey, this is how

450
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Speaker 3: we're able to figure out. And John again, and I've

451
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Speaker 3: given him a lot of credit since Friday's press conference

452
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Speaker 3: because it was one of the most honest and transparent

453
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 3: press conferences I've heard so far from the head coach.

454
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Speaker 3: And he walked off the field asking a lot of

455
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Speaker 3: the same questions that we're asking right now, thinking a

456
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 3: lot of the same things that the fans are thinking

457
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 3: as the booz are ragning down throughout State Farm Stadium.

458
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Speaker 3: I think that having this many buy can encourage them

459
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Speaker 3: and motivate them to say, hey, our backs are against

460
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Speaker 3: the wall, just like they were against the fourth quarter.

461
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Speaker 3: Pressure is mounting. We still have a long season, but

462
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Speaker 3: you can't continue to have these questions as the long

463
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Speaker 3: season goes on. You need to start having those solutions.

464
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Speaker 3: And as Jag said after the game. We're in the

465
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Speaker 3: we're coaches to find solutions. We're not coach to We're

466
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Speaker 3: a coach to figure out what's going on on the field.

467
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Speaker 1: And you appreciate when the head coach says it begins

468
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Speaker 1: with me, as Jonathan Gannon has said repeatedly since Thursday night.

469
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Speaker 1: Question though, is fourth quarter offense with Kyler Murray, Marvin

470
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Speaker 1: Harrison Junior and how well that looked? Do we see

471
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Speaker 1: that out of the gate against Tennessee on Sunday? Or

472
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Speaker 1: I do like this the fact that the first offensive

473
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: play of the game Thursday night was a screen pass,

474
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Speaker 1: almost like a run because it was a little bit

475
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Speaker 1: behind the scrimmage line of scrimmage. But you got Marvin

476
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Speaker 1: involved early. Do it again, and we know from past

477
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Speaker 1: experience at State Farm Stadium, what gets the fan base,

478
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Speaker 1: what gets the bird gang juice? When number eleven was

479
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Speaker 1: on the field, throw the ball to Larry Fitzgerald. I

480
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: think you can have that same effect with Marvin. Get

481
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Speaker 1: him involved early. Now, what happened the rest of the

482
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Speaker 1: first quarter, the second quarter, Yes, you hope that the

483
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Speaker 1: fourth quarter the four catches on four targets, including a

484
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Speaker 1: touchdown that Marvin. Now all of a sudden is what

485
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Speaker 1: we see out of the gate on Sunday, and you

486
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Speaker 1: don't have that wait and see or let's break it

487
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Speaker 1: out in the fourth quarter, because by that time it's

488
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: too late.

489
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Speaker 3: We haven't had the opportunity to speak with Marvin since

490
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Speaker 3: that viral press conference. So that's scrum that we know

491
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Speaker 3: Washington at twelve News had with Marvin from the previous

492
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Speaker 3: game at San Francisco. We haven't been able to speak

493
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Speaker 3: with Marvin. He wasn't there in the short week, and

494
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 3: he wasn't in the locker room for availability following the game.

495
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Speaker 3: If we get the chance to speak with him on Wednesday,

496
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 3: very interested to see what kind of Marvin we're speaking to,

497
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 3: because you started to sense in that touchdown that he

498
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Speaker 3: had when he lost Devin Witherspoon, he had that relief

499
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 3: and you could visibly see it just kind of that

500
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 3: monkey kind of gang off his back a little bit.

501
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 3: And it wasn't the hype celebration you typically see when

502
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Speaker 3: Marvin catches a touchdown, especially one that was as highlight

503
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 3: real worthy as that touchdown was on Thursday night, but

504
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: it was an emotional moment for the wide receiver. He's

505
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 3: gone through a lot, and social media could be a

506
00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 3: brutal place. And I know after the Week three game,

507
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: a lot of people were posting about it. Marvin was

508
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: keeping his receipts of people that were starting to doubt

509
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 3: him a little bit. Somebody posted a video saying that

510
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 3: Marvin's not the guy, and he then reposted saying, Marvin

511
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: just saved my video. Marvin's keeping those receipts And that

512
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 3: could be good, it could be bad. But what can

513
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 3: silence everybody is your performance on the field. So we

514
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 3: talk about that first play. I want to see that

515
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: same style of play. Make sure that the ball within

516
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 3: the first three snaps of the game, Marvin Harrison Junior

517
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Speaker 3: has his touches because that's something that can get him

518
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Speaker 3: going a little bit.

519
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Speaker 1: And you see that often, not only in the NFL,

520
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: but certainly in the NBA as well. That first pass

521
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: play or that first design play, you get in the

522
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: hands of someone who needs to touch the football, feel

523
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: the basketball, the football, whatever is, feel it early in

524
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Speaker 1: the game, and then all of a sudden, Okay, they're

525
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 1: ready to go. But yes, Marvin Harrison Junior needs to

526
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Speaker 1: get going, needs to have more fourth quarters for an

527
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Speaker 1: entire game. The question is how to you allow that

528
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: to happen. How do you get to that point because

529
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: right now you've got defenses keen on Trey McBride, keen

530
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: on Marvin Harrison Junior. So what do you do to

531
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Speaker 1: kind of open it up to where there's a little

532
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: bit more room for those players to work? A little

533
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: bit more open space, if you will. Again comes back

534
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: to the run game, and how do you get it

535
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: to where you're you're getting it where it's second and manageable,

536
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: third and manageable. You're not playing from behind the sticks

537
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden everyone knows it's going to

538
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: be a pass play and now you're forced or your

539
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: playbook is really cut in half. So I've said it

540
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: since week one. The run game opens up the pass game.

541
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Speaker 1: I get it. Though, what you did see in that

542
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: fourth quarter was a little bit more of some up tempo,

543
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: a little hurry up. I don't think you can do

544
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: that for an entire game, but maybe you mix it

545
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: up a little bit earlier in the contest to kind

546
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: of get everyone in rhythm, everyone in the flow of

547
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: the game, and then maybe that gets things settled down

548
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: to where, okay, now we can go back to our

549
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: original playbook.

550
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 3: There's only one football. It's tough to spread the rock

551
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 3: around as much as the Cardinals were able to, because

552
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 3: you're not going to always have forty one pass attempts

553
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 3: in a game, and in a game against the Tennessee Titans,

554
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 3: you shouldn't have forty one pass attempts. You should have

555
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: a more normal stat line because while yes, Jeffrey Simmons

556
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 3: is an elite talent and I'm trying to give him

557
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 3: his flowers on that defensive line unit, this is still

558
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 3: a defense you should be able to take advantage of.

559
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: They're zing four for a reason, and it's something that

560
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: this Cardinals team has dealt with in the past. In

561
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 3: the past in the first two games is going up

562
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 3: against teams you know you're supposed to beat. This is

563
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: a game that I don't think anybody has circled on

564
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: the calendar saying that I'm concerned about the Cardinals here.

565
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: But if the Cardinals can't perform in the way that

566
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 3: we know they can, regardless of a victory, you don't

567
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: want to Just the last thing we would want is

568
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: to come back into this studio on Monday, even though

569
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Speaker 3: it won't be me because we'll probably be back in

570
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: here because they're change in adaptability and to say to ourselves, look,

571
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: you won the football game, that's good, but you still

572
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: have all these problems. This is the week you have

573
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: this many bite you have to try to figure it out.

574
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: It comes with getting that rushing attack going. It starts

575
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: with making sure that you're not getting sacked on early

576
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: downs because first and long and second along start to

577
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: turn into third and long, and that's not going to

578
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: be good because our third and long numbers have been

579
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: no way note.

580
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Speaker 1: To say the least. Yeah, it was had some time

581
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Speaker 1: earlier on Monday, just kind of look at third down

582
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Speaker 1: because Week one, the Cardinals were very good on third

583
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Speaker 1: and ten or more yards. They converted three of their

584
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: seven opportunities. Now, the percentage of that doesn't look great,

585
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: but how many times are you converting third and fourteen

586
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: or third and seventeen. The Cardinals did it three times

587
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: week one. They've only done it once since then. They've

588
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: gone from three and seven on ten yards or more

589
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: in week one to one of ten on plays third

590
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: down plays of ten or more yards. It goes back

591
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: to what do you do on first and second down

592
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: to put yourself in a more manageable position on third down,

593
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: and then obviously third down sustained drives more offensive snaps.

594
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Speaker 1: To believe, it was sixty four plays on Thursday, So

595
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: the offense was on the field a lot, but wasn't

596
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: very productive. And it comes back to regardless of whether

597
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: it's the run game or the pass game. For me personally, Zach,

598
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: I think it's got to start with the run game.

599
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: But you look at the scoring right now for this

600
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: Cardinals team, twenty and a half points per game. That's

601
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: twenty first in the league offensively, though the offense has

602
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: accounted for twenty twenty thirteen and twenty points because remember

603
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: the defense had a touchdown and a safety, So twenty

604
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen and twenty You're not gonna win mini games

605
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: in the National Football League with that kind of offensive performance.

606
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: And it goes back to the game against the San

607
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: Francisco forty nine ers when you had time of possession

608
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: which felt like forever and you were only able to

609
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 3: get one field goal out of those trips. That's what

610
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: this Cardinals team needs to try to figure out is

611
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: not just how to get these and I know we

612
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: seem to be asking for a lot but it really

613
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 3: shouldn't be. You have to get your first downs. You

614
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: can't be in second and long and third and long

615
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 3: because you only had one two yard rush and that's

616
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 3: really all you were able to generate. And when you

617
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 3: drive down the field, you need to be able to

618
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: turn those into six points and you can't settle for

619
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: three every single time out there. But look, Chad Ryley

620
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: I've seen has gotten a lot of heat on social media.

621
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Speaker 3: You make that fifty You don't make that fifty seven yarder,

622
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: and the direction that this team is going, any win

623
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: that might be in their sales is completely gone.

624
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's has not been an easy watch, certainly over

625
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: these first four games offensively. Offensively, I don't know how

626
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: much better they can play. Kalays Campbell brought up when

627
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 1: he addressed the media on Monday that how about some

628
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: better tackling, maybe less explosive plays, how about some more

629
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: takeaways they've averaged or I should say they have four takeaways,

630
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: although only three by the defense because the fourth takeaway

631
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: that was actually and I had to look back because

632
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: Yell Defrole got credit for the force fumble. Trey Benson

633
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: got credit for the fumble recovery. Thursday against the Seahawks

634
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: when there was that interception and fumble on the return.

635
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: And neither of them forced the fumble. It's Tyreus Knight

636
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: running right now to Kobe Bryant.

637
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: So it becomes okay, who's the closest Cardinal player in

638
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: the area. And they get credit for the force.

639
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: Which makes sense.

640
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: They get to, you know.

641
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: Get get a ding in one of their stat totals

642
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: in one of the different categories, which you never want

643
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: to actually have as an offensive.

644
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, as an offensive player, you don't want tackles, and

645
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: you certainly don't want forced fumbles. But yell Defrall now

646
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: has a force fumble on his resume. But the yeah,

647
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: the defense through four games number five and scoring.

648
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: They've been playing great. They've they've been playing great. This

649
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: Seattle offense is prolific in a lot of ways, and

650
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: they've been able to to do a lot, especially in

651
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: the play action game and they and they got their

652
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Speaker 3: licks against the Arizona Cardinals, there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: But that's because of how often their offense was also

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Speaker 3: on the field, because the Cardinals were not able to

655
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Speaker 3: generate first downs and we're consistently given the football back,

656
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Speaker 3: especially in that first half to Seattle. But this is

657
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Speaker 3: a defense that has gone home quite a bit. They've

658
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Speaker 3: generated a lot more pressures and then last season. So far,

659
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Speaker 3: at least throughout these four weeks, it's encouraging. The investments

660
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Speaker 3: you made so far have stood up and have stood

661
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Speaker 3: out quite a bit. Dalvin Tomlinson had a tackle for

662
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Speaker 3: loss and he's been a brick wall. He's taking up

663
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Speaker 3: a lot of space over there in that in that

664
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Speaker 3: eight gap, as that zero tech Koalas Campbell three sacks

665
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Speaker 3: so far, it's it's unheard of what he's been able

666
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Speaker 3: to do at their nine years old back to back

667
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Speaker 3: home games with Josh Sweat forcing a stripsack, although this

668
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Speaker 3: one was not recovered and it was certainly not recovered

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Speaker 3: for a touchdown. It's just it's encouraging to see that

670
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Speaker 3: this staff has been able to utilize these pieces that

671
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Speaker 3: they finally have invested in starting to utilize them to

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Speaker 3: make a difference out on the football field.

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Speaker 1: Fifth ranks scoring defense, top ten in the red zone,

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Speaker 1: top ten against third down, top ten against the run.

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Speaker 1: So the defense is doing its part. Now the offense

676
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Speaker 1: needs to lift up its game to match what the

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Speaker 1: defense is showing through these first four games, and we

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Speaker 1: go back to what Jag said Thursday night, adapt or

679
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Speaker 1: change as far as what needs to happen offensively, change

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Speaker 1: and adapts is what he specifically said. So I'm not

681
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Speaker 1: expecting a drastic change, but there has to be something

682
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Speaker 1: different done, whether that's personnel or play calling, more specifically

683
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Speaker 1: play execution in order for this offense to look like

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Speaker 1: we all anticipated it to look like.

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Speaker 3: There's not gonna be a philosophy change unless there's a

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Speaker 3: staff change, and that's not happening as of right now.

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Speaker 3: And the way I look at it is the biggest

688
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Speaker 3: philosophical change we have seen so far is the lack

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Speaker 3: of thirteen personnel and the lack of twelve personnel, Because

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Speaker 3: if that consistently remains a theme, then this will be

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Speaker 3: a very different offense because then you're gonna see a

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Speaker 3: lot more Trey McBride being focused as if he isn't

693
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Speaker 3: focused enough on already. But you drafted Tip Ryman in

694
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Speaker 3: the third round for this exact reason. You drafted Isaiah

695
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Speaker 3: Adams to add some depth to that offensive line room

696
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Speaker 3: and ultimately propel him to become a starter in place

697
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Speaker 3: of Will Hernandez, who's still returning from his knee injury.

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Speaker 3: You made this your identity. There's a reason why you

699
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Speaker 3: kept Travis Vocalek on your fifty three man roster. There's

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Speaker 3: a reason why you have Josiah Daguaraz, somebody that you've

701
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Speaker 3: activated in the past. If there is gonna be a change,

702
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: that's where it's gonna stem from. And that's gonna be

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Speaker 3: a drastic jar change.

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Speaker 1: And don't just look at this week's game as okay,

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Speaker 1: there's the signal that things are changing now, would give

706
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Speaker 1: it a handful of games to figure out. All right?

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Speaker 1: Was Thursday? Again, going back what I said earlier, was

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Speaker 1: that just an anomenaly because of the Seahawks run defense,

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Speaker 1: and again adapting to whatever your opponent does. But you

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Speaker 1: also can't I don't think you can get too far

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Speaker 1: away from what got you here to begin.

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Speaker 3: We talked about throughout the offseason about how these until

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Speaker 3: you're week eight by that's when you're gonna really have

714
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Speaker 3: a good sample size, a true sample size on if

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Speaker 3: you made the right decisions or the wrong decisions with

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Speaker 3: your investments in the offseason, especially on that offensive side

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Speaker 3: of the ball. Because of that continuity you have an

718
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Speaker 3: advantage by being so familiar with one another and being

719
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Speaker 3: so familiar with the playbook and Drew Petson's play call

720
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Speaker 3: style to know where you're at. I'm still gonna give

721
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Speaker 3: it as tough as it is sometimes because it's very

722
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Speaker 3: easy to make some immediate reactions and immediate analysis because

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Speaker 3: that's what we get paid to do. As easy as

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Speaker 3: that is, you have to try to be patient a

725
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 3: little bit with Marvin Harrison Junior with this offensive play calling.

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Speaker 3: Now you're I need to be patient and trying to

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Speaker 3: figure out what this run game is going to look like.

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Speaker 3: Sands James Connor.

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Speaker 1: How patient were you over the weekend? As we change

730
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Speaker 1: and adapt here on Cardinals cover too. There was a

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Speaker 1: big change in my life. I now have to adapt

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Speaker 1: to a daughter in college. Why I was not at

733
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Speaker 1: Thursday's game just the second home game I've missed since

734
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. The first was because of COVID. I missed

735
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals Houston Texans game, but that was a runaway

736
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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals, not the case this past Thursday. So

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Speaker 1: I watched from Eugene, Oregon. That was Thursday. Then there

738
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Speaker 1: was a game on Friday in which Oregon traveled to

739
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: Happy Valley and a wide out and won in overtime

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Speaker 1: against the Penn State Nittany Alliance.

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Speaker 3: My patience was was them, I'm numb to this, all right, Look,

742
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 3: bird Gang, the frustration. The way you guys felt is

743
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Speaker 3: the way I was feeling watching it on my TV.

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Speaker 3: All I could say is I'm very happy I didn't

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Speaker 3: pay all this money to make the I did.

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Speaker 1: Think about that because you had talked about it, because then, yes,

747
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Speaker 1: I almost did.

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Speaker 3: And while I do think I still would have been

749
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Speaker 3: very happy to have been there and to see a

750
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Speaker 3: lot of my friends, I'd rather not see everybody as

751
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: we're all depressed and questioning our head coach. Look, I

752
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 3: love James Franklin as a guy for all the conversations

753
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: and the stuff he has done for me. I have

754
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: a good react, I have a good relationship and had

755
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: plenty of good interactions with Drew Houerd, the Penn State

756
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: starting quarterback who is supposed to be a first round

757
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 3: pick in this year's NFL draft. With that being said, though,

758
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: and when there's a time to win against your vision opponents,

759
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 3: you have to win. And that's something that the Cardinals

760
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: are feeling right now is they're zero to two in

761
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 3: the division in the NFC West. That's something that my

762
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 3: Nitney Lyons are feeling right now as they're ow to

763
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Speaker 3: one in the Big ten Hey Powerhouse this weekend against UCLA.

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Speaker 1: I like you, by the way, that's in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: She gonna try to make that double dipp.

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Speaker 3: No, I will not, because Penn State's gonna be here

767
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Speaker 3: playing hockey against Arizona State. And Penn State has the

768
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Speaker 3: number one ranked recruit in college hockey, is supposed to

769
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Speaker 3: be the first overall pick in the NHL Draft. So

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Speaker 3: I get to go, hopefully. I haven't bought tickets, but

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Speaker 3: I hope to go to Mullit Arena to watch the

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Speaker 3: Arizona State Sun Devils, which I feel should be called

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Speaker 3: the ice Devils if they're not already against the Penn

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Speaker 3: State the lines.

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Speaker 1: It's funny, as I turn over to our associate producer,

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Speaker 1: Cody Fincher over here, how quickly Zach Gershman has now

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, turned Penn State from a football

778
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Speaker 1: school to a hockey school. There will be a time

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Speaker 1: in January when Penn State Hockey is hosting Michigan State

780
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Speaker 1: at Beaver stadium will be the first outdoor game at

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Speaker 1: the venue, and I'm excited to watch a team in

782
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Speaker 1: January play in an outdoor football stadium because I'm excited

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Speaker 1: for when it will be the Arizona Cardinals, hoping that

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Speaker 1: they make the playoffs, and you know, if that means

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Speaker 1: that they're not hosting, or if they're not hosting the

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Speaker 1: games and they're on the road, whatever it takes, whatever

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Speaker 1: it takes period. As long as Penn State wins out,

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Speaker 1: which they don't and they haven't, all I could say

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Speaker 1: is I'm very happy I did not talk as much

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Speaker 1: smack to Jordan Birch and to you Craig as I

791
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Speaker 1: did to Paris last year, and I will not be

792
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Speaker 1: talking to Paris this year about it. So you learned,

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Speaker 1: I've warned valuable lesson.

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Speaker 3: I've learned a lot of lessons so far. Am I

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Speaker 3: two three seasons now with the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the Oregon Ducks. I'm a duck. That's kind of

797
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Speaker 1: what It's kind of what happens when all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden you send your child off to college, you all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden become that institution.

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Speaker 3: But Bergang, there was a there was a Jet sweep

801
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Speaker 3: past that would Trevor Pania and he is a Syracuse transfer.

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Speaker 3: How sweet it would have been if the Syracuse transfer

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00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 3: that went to Penn State beat Craig Green, lose Syracuse

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Speaker 3: Orange and the Oregon Ducks.

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Speaker 1: Man, it would have been a time.

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Speaker 3: But the only way that that could put a smile

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Speaker 3: on my face is Penn Sy Hockey doing what pens

808
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: Sy hockey needs to do against ASU, Penncey football doing

809
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 3: what it needs to do against UCA, and the Cardinals

810
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 3: doing what we know they can do against the Tennessee Titans.

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Speaker 1: Again, not the reason for the change and adapt here

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Speaker 1: on this Monday cover two, but one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: for the change and adapt based off what happened on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Whatever it takes, I know that that's the slogan for

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Speaker 3: some team out there.

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Speaker 1: Nike, just do it.

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00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray featured in a lot of their ads as

818
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: the Cardinals still are getting their flowers for what they've

819
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Speaker 3: been able to do in the rivalries game with their

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Speaker 3: production and with those uniforms. Whatever it takes, just do it.

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Speaker 1: By the way, let me echo what is all been

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Speaker 1: said about Thursday pregame, halftime and the atmosphere even from

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Speaker 1: television watching it, how the field looked, how the uniforms looked,

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Speaker 1: credit the bird Gang as well, an electric atmosphere. Is

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Speaker 1: just unfortunate of the outcome losing to the Seahawks.

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Speaker 3: Bummer, But this is an opportunity to get right back.

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Speaker 3: It's the crucial catch game. There will be a lot

828
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Speaker 3: of highlights surrounding that. Make sure you make it out

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Speaker 3: to stay Farm Stadium and spoiler alert, you might catch

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Speaker 3: me on the Great Lawn.

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Speaker 1: But we will see about that. Wow, there's a tease

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Speaker 1: moving forward. Maybe we get some more information when you

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Speaker 1: rejoin us on Friday, hopefully because that will not change

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Speaker 1: or adapt, that will remain the same.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it will hopefully have an interview earlier this or

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Speaker 3: later on this week. And our cover viguill shift towards

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Speaker 3: enemy territory is craiglike's to say?

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Speaker 1: On that note, we will put a lit on this

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, proud partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals, as a special thanks to our

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Speaker 1: executive producer Jim mol mondre our associate producer Coddy Fincher

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Speaker 1: for Zach Kershman. I'm Craig Rayolou, we'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: next time here on Cardinals Cover two.