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Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy tomorrow will have an exclusive window to talk
Speaker 2: to the Cowboys. I believe for a week now, the
Speaker 2: Chicago Bears have asked for permission to talk to Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure why they're asking publicly to have an
Speaker 2: interview with him, unless you're doing this for your fan
Speaker 2: base to say, we are bringing in everybody. We're not
Speaker 2: going to make the mistake that we did last year
Speaker 2: where we didn't bring in Jim Harbaugh and or Bill
Speaker 2: Belichick just to pick their brains of what they would
Speaker 2: do with this organization. But Mike McCarthy could be going
Speaker 2: back to the Cowboys. Your guess is as good as mine.
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Speaker 2: coming up, will play the game the team that didn't
Speaker 2: make the playoffs that's in the best shape going forward.
Speaker 2: We're going to take the Bengals off the board. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we have to take Joe Burrow and Jamar
Speaker 2: Chase off the board. Is that fair? I think so?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the triple Crown winners, a wide receiver, an MVP
Speaker 2: candidate at quarterback, and the sack leader in Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 2: I think that we should take that team off the
Speaker 2: board as we move forward. Yeah, they got dudes there. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: all right, so get ready, we'll run down the teams
Speaker 2: that did not make the playoffs. The team that you
Speaker 2: think is in the best shape. Now are we talking
Speaker 2: next season? Two? Seasons, three season?
Speaker 4: Going forward? Is up to your interpretation.
Speaker 5: Okay, So this could be like it turn it as
Speaker 5: early as today, they could be in good shape. Yeah, right,
Speaker 5: this weekend?
Speaker 2: Okay, as early as today. All right, whole question for
Speaker 2: the final hour is going to be one.
Speaker 5: Come we have up there, one from PAULI here. For
Speaker 5: the next five years, I'd want to coach the Bears,
Speaker 5: the Cowboys, or be unemployed.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Mike McCarthy if we said, Mike, you pick
Speaker 2: you can coach either one for the next five years
Speaker 2: or not coach at all. Be unemployed. Is in second place,
Speaker 2: just behind coaching the Cowboys. Coaching the Bears. Oh, Cowboys
Speaker 2: are third. Oh okay, so the Cowboys are the last
Speaker 2: pick on there. Okay, most people, it's very very close.
Speaker 2: How much they would rather be unemployed than coach the
Speaker 2: Bears or the Cowboys. We say, good morning. If you're
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Speaker 2: The NFL is built around the passing game. You know,
Speaker 2: we've seen that Baker Mayfield, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson over
Speaker 2: forty touchdown houses. But remember when the Giants were debating
Speaker 2: about Saquon Barkley. Do you spend twelve million dollars that's
Speaker 2: too much for Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 6: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: If I gave him a due over, now, they may
Speaker 2: have made the right decision for the franchise, And maybe
Speaker 2: they looked at it and said, we're not ready to win,
Speaker 2: let's not spend that money. I get that, but you
Speaker 2: spent the money on Daniel Jones. And then you doubled
Speaker 2: down and you said, yeah, sure we'll spend the money.
Speaker 2: If you're going to spend the money on Daniel Jones,
Speaker 2: then spend the money on Saquon Barkley. But if you're
Speaker 2: not going to spend that money on either, and I
Speaker 2: understand that, but you look at these different teams right now.
Speaker 2: So here's Barkley nearly broke Eric Dickerson single season record.
Speaker 2: The Eagles have the number two seed in the NFC.
Speaker 2: The Lions David Montgomery, Jamiir Gibbs. So they signed Montgomery,
Speaker 2: then they draft Gibbs. Gibbs has been unbelievable. Twelfth pick overall.
Speaker 2: Remember that pick, What are you taking a running back for?
Speaker 2: And I said, he's Marshall Falk. He's another Marshall Falk.
Speaker 2: And then you took a linebacker out of Iowa. And
Speaker 2: these are not positions that you draft high. But it
Speaker 2: worked out for Dan Campbell. But the running game, But
Speaker 2: look at what's going on Bucky Irving and Tampa, Josh Jacobs,
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry James Cook, Joe Mixon, Kyron Williams, Aaron Jones.
Speaker 2: They are in the playoffs. I know you got to
Speaker 2: throw the ball, but eventually you have to run the ball,
Speaker 2: running and playing defense, the passing parts, the glamour part.
Speaker 2: You want to win championships. How's your defense? Can you
Speaker 2: stop somebody? And can you get a tough yard or
Speaker 2: two with your running game? It's proven tried and true
Speaker 2: throughout history with the NFL, and we'll continue that. You
Speaker 2: can throw it, but your running game and your defense
Speaker 2: almost always travels. All right, let's go around the room.
Speaker 2: The team not making the playoffs in the best shape
Speaker 2: moving forward. Todd, I'm going to start with you. We've
Speaker 2: taken the off the board.
Speaker 7: I've narrowed it down to Seattle, Atlanta, and Indy.
Speaker 8: But I'm gonna take Atlanta.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping Pennix will make a big jump. Sure you
Speaker 2: really narrowed it down there.
Speaker 7: I thought those were the three was maybe the only
Speaker 7: three you could really pick. But I'm gonna go with
Speaker 7: the Falcons. It's kind of a weak division. I know
Speaker 7: the Bucks and Baker there. Okay, Pennix, maybe you'll make
Speaker 7: a big jump, and they've got a number of.
Speaker 9: Strong players in place.
Speaker 7: That to do better next year.
Speaker 2: Okay, see, no Connor.
Speaker 5: I also have the falcons because they already have a
Speaker 5: bunch of pieces. And when you look also a weak division,
Speaker 5: like Todd said, and you look at that team and
Speaker 5: you're like, how is this not team?
Speaker 2: Not any good? It doesn't make any sense? That's I
Speaker 2: like that kind of all right, I'm taking the falcons
Speaker 2: off the board for the front row. No, no, I'm
Speaker 2: taking them off the board for the front row. You
Speaker 2: could do that. Yes, they're off the board, yes, I fellows. Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh we should have gone first. So the back row
Speaker 2: got the falcons. Marvin, who are you taking? Can we
Speaker 2: come back to me?
Speaker 8: Because I had the falcons, Paulie, how much stuff did
Speaker 8: I written down for the falcons?
Speaker 4: He has the falcons and I had the falcons, but
Speaker 4: they're off the board.
Speaker 2: Mark, all right, you know what?
Speaker 8: Then I'm going to take the New York Giants because
Speaker 8: that's the first name I saw.
Speaker 2: You don't really believe that, No, of course I don't,
Speaker 2: all right, Paul man Man.
Speaker 4: Weirdly, I'm gonna go with the Las Vegas Raiders. I
Speaker 4: think they're gonna get it together. I think Tom Brady
Speaker 4: is going to be part of that organization fully within
Speaker 4: the next two years, and it's gonna be a long
Speaker 4: term play.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with the Cowboys. You've got a quarterback,
Speaker 2: you've got a wide receiver, and you got a defensive
Speaker 2: player who you just clicks get. Mike Greenberg just said,
Speaker 2: well done, well done.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Paul, it feels like we've seen the cowboys
Speaker 4: best work in the past three years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not going to get better. Yeah, once again,
Speaker 2: I don't have to believe it. Jane Daniels just going
Speaker 2: for clicks, all right, yeah, yes, Mark, was that your
Speaker 2: first take? Oh wait, wait yeah, hey, I learned learn
Speaker 2: I taught some of the best there at the mother Ship.
Speaker 2: Just go with clicks. All else fails. Just say Cowboys
Speaker 2: or Lakers, Lebron, You're good to go. A couple of
Speaker 2: phone calls in here Marcus in Wisconsin, Hi, Marcus, what's
Speaker 2: on your mind today?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 11: Man, I got the first time long time six foot
Speaker 11: I'm gonna go a spelt two hundred.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 12: I appreciate that.
Speaker 11: I'm I'll say in Chicago, but I'm gonna go with Jacksonville.
Speaker 11: That's the best open. Allegedly they got a running back
Speaker 11: and a quarterback a week to visitor and they live
Speaker 11: in Florida.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Marcus. Who is the guy out
Speaker 2: of LSU? Is it? Brian Thomas? Was he a third
Speaker 2: round draft pick the wide receiver and there were people
Speaker 2: who had a first round grade on him. He had
Speaker 2: an unbelievable year for Jacksonville. You'd never know it. I
Speaker 2: think you know part of that LSU wide receiving corps,
Speaker 2: and I think he was a third round pick by Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: I might have been a Pro Bowl player or should
Speaker 2: have been a Pro Bowl player. But the numbers that
Speaker 2: he put up, yes, Mark.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the Pro bowlers were special teams guys.
Speaker 2: Okay, long snapper and a punter. Oh that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they did a lot of punting. So those guys,
Speaker 2: I mean, I understand that bloop bloop, uh. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you see the numbers by Thomas there kind of quietly
Speaker 2: put up some great numbers there, Marvin.
Speaker 8: Yeah, twelve hundred yards receiving on the season.
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, didn't know that, did you? Oh? No,
Speaker 2: ten touchdowns? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Who says?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yes, I said. There are so many good stories,
Speaker 2: but you know, sometimes they get lost. And then I
Speaker 2: saw the numbers and I go, damn. I remember this
Speaker 2: kid at LSU was really good but got lost and
Speaker 2: they have all you know, all those great wide receivers.
Speaker 4: Yes, Paul, he needs a better star name. Brian Thomas Jr.
Speaker 4: Does not scare me when you watch him Play's awesome
Speaker 4: like Odell Beckham.
Speaker 2: Like, oh no, just b Thomas. I'm gonna be Thomas
Speaker 2: Ken in South Carolina?
Speaker 11: Hi?
Speaker 2: Ken, what's on your mind?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 5: South Dakota.
Speaker 10: But two thirty My question was do you think that
Speaker 10: Gerard and Bao was the sacrificial lamb from Belichick? Because
Speaker 10: following a legend is very tough. And my other question
Speaker 10: is does Belichick's girlfriend get free college at UNC?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Ken, I think we're done with belichick girlfriend jokes, But
Speaker 2: is she going to be the hood and cheerleader?
Speaker 10: Hey?
Speaker 2: They're in love and I love love, So who am
Speaker 2: I to criticize? Meet on a plane. I've met people
Speaker 2: on a plane before, didn't fall in love. But uh,
Speaker 2: is that how it happened? Yeah? But I had no idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah backstory, yeah, oh yeah. I think she came up
Speaker 2: and said he low and I think he autographed a
Speaker 2: book maybe or something. Or she was talking about a
Speaker 2: book she was reading or something. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: short on details here, but yeah, I think I think
Speaker 2: they they didn't they met on a plane, I think.
Speaker 2: And then after that it's love so uh sewn in Kansas? Hi, Sean,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 3: Hey guys, thanks for taking my call again.
Speaker 2: I I damn, somebody check on Sean, please, somebody check
Speaker 2: on Shawn and Kansas. I sounded like something happened or
Speaker 2: he was trying to imitate Dylan.
Speaker 5: Or there was a point where like every sports talk
Speaker 5: radio host had that kind of voice too for a
Speaker 5: little while there, and like the two thousands, everybody sort
Speaker 5: of did.
Speaker 2: This, Oh Scott Farrell. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: dudes and lots of markets. Farrell was entertaining. Is Scotty
Speaker 2: still doing radio? Yeah, yeah, he's still doing a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff. And then he would always be pouring beers
Speaker 2: on the radio.
Speaker 5: It's like the alternative rock guys were like, oh, this
Speaker 5: format's dead, better jump to sports.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I liked Farrell. Farrell on the bench, Yes for
Speaker 2: on bench. Yeah, didn't you do overnight?
Speaker 4: He did overnights for a long time back in the
Speaker 4: early two thousands, then he did serious when I was there,
Speaker 4: I knew him, and he did serious for about a decade.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, he was entertaining. You know, it's tough to
Speaker 2: stand out in this business, and everybody's trying to stand out,
Speaker 2: trying to be different, and uh, you know, it's like
Speaker 2: when Jim Rome started, nobody sounded like that. His approach
Speaker 2: was different than anybody else. Uh, you know, Scotty with
Speaker 2: what he was doing. There's a lot of people and
Speaker 2: we pick and shoo. You know, people take things from shows, personalities, approaches,
Speaker 2: you know, all of those things, characters. Uh, but those
Speaker 2: you know, you're your original and uh, you know Rome
Speaker 2: certainly and Mike and the bandog with what they did
Speaker 2: that was different than anybody at the time.
Speaker 8: Yes, Marvin, going back to Seeing's point about sports guys
Speaker 8: going to music and vice versa, Yeah, have you ever
Speaker 8: been approach about going back and doing a music show?
Speaker 2: No, but I'd like to. I would. I'd like to
Speaker 2: do a you know, a serious show, like a one off,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe play my favorite Bruce Springsteen. So I don't
Speaker 2: think I'm a big enough name to be on there
Speaker 2: to do a you know, Bruce Springsteen hour. They used
Speaker 2: to do that, I think where they'd have celebrities and
Speaker 2: quotations and you'd go on and you'd have an hour
Speaker 2: of your favorite songs with Bruce. The problem with that
Speaker 2: is people play Rosalita, jungle Land and Born to Run,
Speaker 2: and to me, that's boring. As great as those songs are,
Speaker 2: like She's the one is my favorite song off Born
Speaker 2: to Run. But that'd be fun something like that, But yeah,
Speaker 2: i'd like to I loved listening to music, but I
Speaker 2: hated when you had to queue up a record. Now
Speaker 2: this is a long time ago. So you'd pick out
Speaker 2: the record, you'd have to queue it up, and then
Speaker 2: you would take the other album off the turntable, put
Speaker 2: it back, and then you had to get another one.
Speaker 2: Then you had to get all your commercials ready. It
Speaker 2: was mind boggling. Like I get, you know, I have
Speaker 2: problems with OCD. I mean, imagine me in a studio
Speaker 2: where I've got to do all of this stuff and
Speaker 2: my mind is just racing there. And I remember there'd
Speaker 2: be times when there would always be this casse not
Speaker 2: as a cartridge, and it would be a backup song
Speaker 2: if you didn't get your album cued up. The song
Speaker 2: cued up. It's like, oh, bleep boom hit that, and
Speaker 2: then you had a song that played. And then sometimes
Speaker 2: you'd go, I don't know what do I want something
Speaker 2: that play? Might have to use the restroom. Maybe I'll
Speaker 2: play American Pie Man, I'm gonna play Meat Loaf, Paradise
Speaker 2: by the Dashboard Light, Green Grass and High Times Forever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I do miss it, and I do I appreciate
Speaker 2: there are people who are really really good at it.
Speaker 2: Although you know what drives me crazy with serious XM.
Speaker 2: The DJs tell you their name and then they'll tell
Speaker 2: you their every break, they'll tell you their name. I
Speaker 2: don't need to know your name. If I'm listening to
Speaker 2: that channel, I know your voice. I don't need to
Speaker 2: hear it, but you'll hear it sometimes the front end
Speaker 2: or the back end or both, and it drives me crazy.
Speaker 2: And have some information. I always love when they get
Speaker 2: me a little background there. You know the Beatles channel,
Speaker 2: there's always like Meg Griffin always has things that she'll
Speaker 2: say and you kind of fill that in. And I
Speaker 2: love the homework when they tell you something that you
Speaker 2: thought you knew and they just they kind of add
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 8: Yes, Marvin, it there's nothing better than a good like
Speaker 8: fact dirt while they're trying to hit the post.
Speaker 2: Well the post. As I found out later, you know,
Speaker 2: there's a clock that tells you and it'll count you down.
Speaker 2: And see that's cheating you're going to hit the post.
Speaker 2: It should be a feel that you're going to hit
Speaker 2: the post. And then I remember working on an FM
Speaker 2: radio station and Dayton and there was a country station
Speaker 2: right across the hallway and I remember that the morning
Speaker 2: DJ and he had the clock and I said to him,
Speaker 2: I said, John, what's that? He goes, Oh, that's so
Speaker 2: I can hit the post. I go, oh, damn, all
Speaker 2: these years hit the post? Yes, Tod, that's kind of week.
Speaker 2: Thank you. That's weak, sawce sus what that is? Where
Speaker 2: have you been today?
Speaker 9: Where have I been?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I've been right here.
Speaker 2: I missed you.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I'm a little wilder, sometimes a little more subdurit.
Speaker 4: I mix it up a little bit.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I know I talk too much. I do
Speaker 2: know I'm talking on of Finally, you can never written,
Speaker 2: you just can't. You did win? Who won Most Valuable Day? Inn? N?
Speaker 2: I did you did? You're the winner, You're the big
Speaker 2: winner all right, let's take a break. Ian Rappaport from
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Speaker 2: Because I have nothing to do in my personal life,
Speaker 2: I was looking at some reviews twenty twenty three of
Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions Draft. There were a lot of f's
Speaker 2: on there. The strategy got en f they had David Montgomery,
Speaker 2: They bring in Jamier Gibbs the twelfth pick overall, they
Speaker 2: got Sam Laporta out of Iowa. They got Campbell out
Speaker 2: of Iowa as well, linebacker, and you saw a lot
Speaker 2: of bad grades for Detroit and now moving forward, they
Speaker 2: knew what they were doing. He's Ian Rappaport NFL Network Insider.
Speaker 2: You can see him tonight on The Insiders and that's
Speaker 2: its seven Eastern non NFL Network. Good to talk to
Speaker 2: you again.
Speaker 11: Ian.
Speaker 2: Give me the surprise coaching move, whether it was keeping
Speaker 2: a coach or firing a coach.
Speaker 9: Well, I would say, I don't know what.
Speaker 14: It's a surprise now, because basically what happens is everything,
Speaker 14: every different possible outcome gets sort of rumored.
Speaker 9: Right. So it's like, people say, can you believe that?
Speaker 14: It's like the Titans just fired Ran Carthon the general
Speaker 14: manager after two seasons after giving him an extension last year.
Speaker 14: You know, it's like, is that a surprise. I don't
Speaker 14: know that anything's a surprise that there have been some
Speaker 14: rumors always. But to me, the one that I was
Speaker 14: most unsure about was probably the Giants.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 14: To me, not that my opinion matters at all, but
Speaker 14: I felt like if the Giants could just take a
Speaker 14: deep breath and stick with people who they know are good,
Speaker 14: who took them to the playoffs, they know Brian Daboll
Speaker 14: is a good coach, didn't forget how to be a
Speaker 14: good coach.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 14: I think the Daniel Jones quarterback plummet probably hurt them
Speaker 14: a little bit over the last couple of years. If
Speaker 14: they could just take a deep breath and stick there,
Speaker 14: I think they will benefit. I just you know, people
Speaker 14: so often choose change when there's an option. Just people
Speaker 14: want you to do something, just something, And so I
Speaker 14: was sort of pleasantly surprised. I would say that they
Speaker 14: decided to do nothing and stick with the guys they have.
Speaker 2: Of the openings, now, in your opinion, the most attractive
Speaker 2: job is where.
Speaker 14: It's all about the quarterback and it's all about how
Speaker 14: quickly you can get in there and win. I mean,
Speaker 14: that's that's to me. So it's like, you know, I
Speaker 14: think the Bears is really really attractive if you think,
Speaker 14: you know, if you think Caleb Williams is good, and
Speaker 14: I think everyone thinks he's you know, it's not like
Speaker 14: he was taking number one and people like the Bears
Speaker 14: were crazy, many many people would have taken him number one.
Speaker 14: So to me, I think that's that's a really really
Speaker 14: attractive job. Some of the others might take a little
Speaker 14: bit of time, but that roster is pretty good. Offensive
Speaker 14: line needs work, but I think all around, you know,
Speaker 14: if Caleb Williams can throw on time and take care
Speaker 14: of the ball like he certainly did this year, I
Speaker 14: think that's one where you could sort of flip it
Speaker 14: pretty quickly. The other one I like is the Jaguars.
Speaker 9: You know, like, is Trevor.
Speaker 14: Lawrence going to be Patrick Mahomes Like, I don't know
Speaker 14: at this point, maybe not, probably not very good viable
Speaker 14: quarterback locked in for a long time, a lot of weapons,
Speaker 14: a lot of good young players tied into contracts that
Speaker 14: have already started. That's another place where it's like, I
Speaker 14: think you could hop in there and win fairly quickly
Speaker 14: in a division that has not always been a the top,
Speaker 14: top tier.
Speaker 2: What are the cowboys doing now?
Speaker 9: They're dancing. Cowboys are dancing.
Speaker 14: You know they're different, man, And you know we know
Speaker 14: that cowboys are different. We know they're a different animal.
Speaker 14: But situations like this really show us how different. Jerry
Speaker 14: Jones does not like dead money, and it feels like
Speaker 14: would rather have this uncertainty for eight days or nine
Speaker 14: days or whoever long the last, rather than deal with
Speaker 14: the dead money of let's say, extending Mike McCarthy and
Speaker 14: deciding we do not want him here. So the sense
Speaker 14: I get, the sense I get is that they want
Speaker 14: him back. The sense I get is that he would
Speaker 14: like to be back under the right circumstances. You have
Speaker 14: other teams. You know we're gonna have interest The Bears
Speaker 14: have put in request. I would expect the Saints to have.
Speaker 9: Interests as well.
Speaker 14: It's just can they get together and figure out something
Speaker 14: that works for both of them and for me, A
Speaker 14: lot of the biggest questions are, like what about the
Speaker 14: term of the contract, Like if you're the Cowboys, you know,
Speaker 14: maybe you.
Speaker 9: Say, oh, well, let's do a two year deal. Cool.
Speaker 14: If we don't we want to get out next year,
Speaker 14: we can just fire him with you know, limited money.
Speaker 14: If you're McCarthy, like, why would you do that? Just
Speaker 14: go somewhere else and get a five year deal. So
Speaker 14: I think that's some of the issues they need to
Speaker 14: work out.
Speaker 2: Do the Lions lose both coordinators.
Speaker 9: A pretty good chance?
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean Ben Johnson's a little bit of a
Speaker 14: different deal because he's been in demand for a couple
Speaker 14: of years. You know, I don't know that he would
Speaker 14: have gotten the commander's job last year, but at least
Speaker 14: he would have been one of the final guys they
Speaker 14: were discussing, right.
Speaker 9: That whole situation was.
Speaker 14: Kind of weird, But he's in demand enough where I
Speaker 14: think he's gonna have a chance to get a job.
Speaker 14: And then to me, I mean Aaron Glenn, Like we
Speaker 14: all saw what the Lions defensive coordinator did on Sunday.
Speaker 9: That was a that was mean.
Speaker 14: He made things very very rough for the Vikings. I
Speaker 14: had not seen that Sam Donald in a couple of years.
Speaker 14: But that's not why I think Aaron Glenn's going to
Speaker 14: get a job. It's really about like culture and leadership,
Speaker 14: and to me, he's the guy who's sort of like
Speaker 14: most an extension of Dan Campbell on the staff. Like
Speaker 14: I think, I think he's got a really good shot
Speaker 14: to get one of these.
Speaker 9: Jobs as well.
Speaker 2: Talking to Ian Rappaport, NFL Network insider, I've said this
Speaker 2: for many, many years. Not every coordinator deserves to be
Speaker 2: a head coach that because of what goes along. Like
Speaker 2: you know, Girod Mayo, I don't think he was equipped
Speaker 2: to go to those press conferences. I think he was
Speaker 2: trying to be the antithesis of Belichick and he just
Speaker 2: he didn't handle it well. Now that doesn't mean he
Speaker 2: can't learn how to do it. But we've seen a
Speaker 2: lot of the Patriot coordinators Romeo Crenell and Charlie Weiss,
Speaker 2: and they're coordinators, they're just but it's tough to say
Speaker 2: that to somebody when somebody says, why doesn't that guy
Speaker 2: get a shot? Well, you've got to be Pete Carroll
Speaker 2: at a press conference, now, like you got to be
Speaker 2: able to handle these things. And you're a CEO, how
Speaker 2: do you different can you differentiate between somebody is just
Speaker 2: a great coordinator and not a head coach.
Speaker 14: So specifically to the press conferences, I don't care that
Speaker 14: that much about like Gard Mayo kind of like stepping
Speaker 14: on his foot or whatever at a press conference. I
Speaker 14: don't care that much. But just because, like if you're
Speaker 14: not great at the media, like most people most when
Speaker 14: Rod Mayo was coming out as a player, he did
Speaker 14: plenty of interviews as a coordinator. He was a position
Speaker 14: coach for a lot of it. He didn't do a
Speaker 14: ton of interviews. Most of these guys have not, so
Speaker 14: like you'll see, like I remember Nick Sirianni, who has
Speaker 14: proven to be a very good head coach, was a
Speaker 14: disaster his first press conference. You and I sort of
Speaker 14: take it for granted. It's very very hard. I don't
Speaker 14: care so much about that. What I care about is
Speaker 14: a lot of times that press conference face or persona
Speaker 14: or whatever is what you put in front of the team.
Speaker 14: That's more important to me, because, like you know, when
Speaker 14: you're it's like mess up in front of the media. Okay,
Speaker 14: who cares? But if you mess up in front of
Speaker 14: the team. They're gonna wonder if you're really authentic, are
Speaker 14: you acting? Are you trying to be? And I think
Speaker 14: that's where a lot of the Patriots coordinators under Belichick
Speaker 14: have run into problems because they were trying to be something,
Speaker 14: whether it's him, whether it's I'm definitely not going to
Speaker 14: be him. It's like players can tell when you're not
Speaker 14: just a leader, right, and so like talk about coordinators
Speaker 14: being ready, Like Dan Campbell wasn't a coordinator. He was
Speaker 14: just the best leader that the Saints had. So it's
Speaker 14: like sometimes coaches, you know, it's like, I really don't
Speaker 14: think that the best play calling head coach, the best
Speaker 14: play calling coordinator means you're going to be a great
Speaker 14: head coach. It's like, find the best leader, but that
Speaker 14: guy in front of the big room, not the small one,
Speaker 14: but the big room, and let him go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you've got to create a culture. And I
Speaker 2: think that I don't know what Ben Johnson's personality is,
Speaker 2: but is he going to be able to lead? Dan
Speaker 2: Campbell came in and we were like, oh, who is
Speaker 2: this guy? And then all of a sudden we realized
Speaker 2: that that guy is that guy and those players bought
Speaker 2: into that. And really that's the important part. The Cowboys
Speaker 2: they bought into Jimmy Johnson like, you have to buy
Speaker 2: into that. We may see somebody and go that guy's
Speaker 2: corny or you know, that guy's quiet, but you'll know
Speaker 2: when you're the feedback you get comes from your players.
Speaker 2: That's the ultimate, that's the only feedback you really need.
Speaker 14: Well, yeah, and like like for for me, like you know,
Speaker 14: I've been doing this for thirteen years now, and I
Speaker 14: get to know a lot of these coordinator candidates, a
Speaker 14: lot of the young coaches, and it's really been educational
Speaker 14: for me to as I talk about it and as
Speaker 14: I talk to gms and owners and whoever you know,
Speaker 14: whether publicly or probably about some of these candidates, because
Speaker 14: it's like, what makes a good head coach, we what
Speaker 14: makes a good coordinator is almost almost has nothing to
Speaker 14: do with each other. Like if you do the Venn
Speaker 14: diagram thing, they may not connect. Like I remember so specifically.
Speaker 14: I hate to even say this now, but kind of
Speaker 14: rolling my eyes at the line's excitement over d Campbell
Speaker 14: because I'm like, what are they seeing that I am
Speaker 14: not seeing? He's ever been a coordinator, like yes, he
Speaker 14: gave the speeches and the Saints to the point, but
Speaker 14: like he's not even a coordinator. And now, as I've learned,
Speaker 14: it's like who cares, Like find the best leader. And
Speaker 14: it's like, you know you talked about I was laughing
Speaker 14: as you were doing the open talking about how bad
Speaker 14: the lines draft, you know, drafts were. It's like, what
Speaker 14: is Brad Holmes doing? Don't they care about, you know,
Speaker 14: positional value. It's like, find good football players, have them
Speaker 14: play on your team. Have a lot of good football players,
Speaker 14: you don't have a better team. It's like same thing
Speaker 14: with coaches. Find good leaders, let them lead, and then
Speaker 14: everything else will sort of be fine.
Speaker 2: Finish this sentence. If the Steelers get blown out against
Speaker 2: the Ravens, I.
Speaker 14: Will be surprised. If the Steelers get blown out against
Speaker 14: the Ravens. You're talking specifically about Mike Tomlin. I don't
Speaker 14: think anything happens to Mike tom But I would say
Speaker 14: if the Steelers get blown out by the Ravens, then
Speaker 14: I will say they take another look at the quarterback
Speaker 14: position and try to figure that out for next year.
Speaker 14: I have thought, I have believed that their starting quarterback
Speaker 14: for next year is on their roster. My sense is
Speaker 14: that it was Russell Wilson.
Speaker 9: It has been very.
Speaker 14: Rough the last month, very rough, so maybe it's not.
Speaker 14: But I think we're about to find out.
Speaker 2: Let's flip it. If the Ravens lose.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean this is about as talented a Ravens
Speaker 14: team as as we could have. You know, I would
Speaker 14: be surprised if anything happens to Harbor, if that's what
Speaker 14: you mean.
Speaker 9: To me, he is.
Speaker 2: It's probably perception with Lamar, like this is the ultimate
Speaker 2: kiss of death with him, whether it's fair or not.
Speaker 2: But here we are home field advantage. You had home
Speaker 2: field advantage last year.
Speaker 14: You know the no I get it, it's there, I
Speaker 14: get and last year was probably like you know, I
Speaker 14: I would like to see the Ravens in the super Bowl.
Speaker 14: Would be very fun. And they're such a good team
Speaker 14: and I feel like they, you know, deserve to. So
Speaker 14: last year was frustrating because it's like, I don't know
Speaker 14: what else they have to do. And then they got
Speaker 14: Torrick Henry. They sort of form their identity even more.
Speaker 14: I think they're you know, good enough on defense. I mean,
Speaker 14: this looks like a team that should be should go
Speaker 14: deep into the playoffs and reach the Super Bowl. But again,
Speaker 14: like I don't think it's a It's so freaking hard
Speaker 14: to get there. It's so hard. And like you could
Speaker 14: say whatever you want about Omar or Josh Allen, same thing.
Speaker 14: It's like, I get it, but you got to beat Mahomes.
Speaker 14: So it's like sometimes you're just Mahomes is gonna beat you.
Speaker 9: He's very good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Jordan, you know, it's yeah the Jordan
Speaker 2: era that there's no shame in not winning a championship there.
Speaker 14: Look, look, Mahomes is a good pitcher, like I've seen
Speaker 14: I've seen the clips of him throwing. Like, if he
Speaker 14: wants to go play baseball, he's still got a great arm.
Speaker 14: If he wants to go play baseball, then I think
Speaker 14: that really opens things up at AFC.
Speaker 2: I think he'd be maybe a better baseball player than Jordan.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean Jordan was not very good.
Speaker 14: But on the other hand, like you drop someone into
Speaker 14: you know, was it doubles Birmingham double A?
Speaker 9: Drop someone into double A? Like he hit two hundred,
Speaker 9: that's pretty good. I wouldn't hit two hundred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're not You're not one of the greatest
Speaker 2: athlete you know in the world.
Speaker 9: It's offensive.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if you're the best athletic insider.
Speaker 14: Wow, that's really offensive. I was a high school baseball player.
Speaker 14: I was pretty good.
Speaker 2: Are you more athletic than Adam Schefter?
Speaker 14: I think, I mean, I think skill wise, just pure athleticism,
Speaker 14: Like I think I have a better arm. You know,
Speaker 14: I think if you psych, you know, having a catch,
Speaker 14: I think I would probably.
Speaker 2: Let's do the combine.
Speaker 14: He might beat me in a race, and I think
Speaker 14: he he is. I'm pretty sure he lifts. I think
Speaker 14: strength wise, he would probably get at me. But hitting
Speaker 14: a baseball, throwing talk about like golf, I feel like
Speaker 14: I probably got him, just so be really depending on
Speaker 14: the events.
Speaker 2: What if Glazier was in the octagon with you.
Speaker 14: Well, if we're talking octagon, me and Schefter have no chance.
Speaker 14: But you want to talk like golf, baseball, tennis. You know,
Speaker 14: I did go to a Nick Poltary week of tennis
Speaker 14: camp when I was eleven.
Speaker 9: Okay, well, so saying.
Speaker 2: My bad, I did not know that Fritzy. Will you
Speaker 2: check his resume next time? Yeah, that's impressious stuff here.
Speaker 9: I was a college athlete. I was a rower, But still.
Speaker 2: Were you a rower or were you crew?
Speaker 9: I was? I was.
Speaker 14: I was a rower as a lightweight rower at Columbia.
Speaker 14: I was very bad, but my team was very good.
Speaker 9: So there you go.
Speaker 2: Uh were you were? You weren't the one who is
Speaker 2: yelling like the I.
Speaker 14: Was actually doing the work. I mean not the continents
Speaker 14: don't do the work. They work very hard, but more
Speaker 14: metal work there.
Speaker 2: He's one of the great athletic insiders in the business.
Speaker 2: He's he in Rapaport. Thank you Ian NFL Network the
Speaker 2: Insiders tonight. That's really offensive. I know. I didn't even
Speaker 2: bring up Tom Pelisaro yet. Oh come on, yeah, Pela
Speaker 2: Saro is rangey. I'll get a text from Glazier here,
Speaker 2: Hey put him in the octagon. Yeah, nobody wants to
Speaker 2: go in the octagon with Glazier. No, you don't, No,
Speaker 2: you don't know.
Speaker 5: I can guarantee that he kicked me once when we
Speaker 5: shot that thing where I was wrestling him. We went
Speaker 5: through like a almost like a walk through, and he
Speaker 5: was like, what if I did something like this, And
Speaker 5: he went and kicked me in the thigh and did
Speaker 5: it as a joke that he was just kidding, like
Speaker 5: he wasn't even meaning anything, and it leveled me.
Speaker 2: It put me. I was horizontal. He swept my feet
Speaker 2: out right from under me. He grabbed me from behind
Speaker 2: and grab my neck. One time when we were in
Speaker 2: New York. PAULI was there and then he left. I said, Paula,
Speaker 2: he actually hurt me. He actually hurt me, screwed up
Speaker 2: my neck, you know. But he's in there eye and
Speaker 2: I said, oh, you know. Then he left my larynx. Damn. Yeah,
Speaker 2: don't mess with the voice. All right, Well, take a break,
Speaker 2: last call for phone calls. What we learned once in
Speaker 2: store tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Here's an odd topic for you. I'm watching Tropic Thunder
Speaker 2: last night. Is there a better first half of a
Speaker 2: movie than Tropic Thunder? Yes? He possibly super Bad? Oh,
Speaker 2: good call.
Speaker 5: If you're talking about movies that are great fifty percent
Speaker 5: of the way through. Yes, super Bad is right up
Speaker 5: there at the top of half of that movie is
Speaker 5: absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 2: Tropic Thunder is one hundred percent great halfway through. Yes,
Speaker 2: super Bad, very similar any other movie that comes to mind, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 4: It's a little different. I would say the first twenty
Speaker 4: minutes of Saving Private Ryan is unbelievable filmmaking, okay, and intense?
Speaker 2: Okay? Is it because it's so great in the first
Speaker 2: twenty that the rest of the movie can't compare, can't
Speaker 2: keep up with that. So maybe we're not being fair
Speaker 2: that it was so great and so much action that
Speaker 2: no matter what happened in the rest of the movie,
Speaker 2: it couldn't, you know, stay on the same level.
Speaker 4: It slows down a little bit and they go to
Speaker 4: the plot. They can't keep up with the action of
Speaker 4: the first twenty.
Speaker 2: But see Tropic Thunder. It's Ben Stiller's really good in that.
Speaker 2: My daughter is watching with me and she goes, is
Speaker 2: that Tom Cruise? And I said, yeah, She goes, what
Speaker 2: happened to him? I said, No, that's that's you know makeup. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they made him bold. Yes, I'll give you another one.
Speaker 4: That's I got two Halves movie, Holves Movie, Full Metal Jacket,
Speaker 4: the war movie. The first half is basic training with
Speaker 4: the sergeant and he's really intense, and then they go
Speaker 4: to Vietnam and it's a very different movie. Not that
Speaker 4: it's not good, but it's different.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. It kind of dawned on me that, like,
Speaker 2: do we have movies that are really good movies and
Speaker 2: then they're just good movies? Marvin, you got one for me?
Speaker 8: This might be sacrilege, but I think Coming to America
Speaker 8: the first hour is the funniest hour in the history
Speaker 8: of cinema. But I think they get into the I'm
Speaker 8: Looking for My Wife and all that as far as comedy.
Speaker 2: Okay, the first hour, everything's perfect. Lenny and Ford Lauderdale. Hi, Lenny,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 10: Dan?
Speaker 3: I'm a five right, sy right and tipping the scales
Speaker 3: of three builds. Okay, Hey, got two quickies for you.
Speaker 3: First off, how about Mike McCaughey and McCarthy going over
Speaker 3: to the Jets. He's got a relationship with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I don't like that.
Speaker 3: And then I also wanted to did you happen to
Speaker 3: see the the take of Jason Whitlock on Jroyjoy Taylor.
Speaker 2: I know, I'd rather talk about the jetge and McCarthy
Speaker 2: not going down that road. No, I have no interest
Speaker 2: in that story.
Speaker 5: Uh, I'm super interested in. It's just not discussing Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: not on the air. I'm like very interested in if
Speaker 5: I just I don't know that we're gonna spend time
Speaker 5: on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty minutes from now, we may be talking about
Speaker 2: the situation at Fox Sports. Yeah, having having been at
Speaker 2: a network where you know, people were accused of things
Speaker 2: against the breakdown, Yes, we are no need to be
Speaker 2: talking about really no, no, no, this day and sports teams,
Speaker 2: this Dane sports history. Paul, Luckily I have that ready.
Speaker 4: In Hinckley, Illinois, nineteen twenty seven, the Harlem Globetrotters played
Speaker 4: their first game, had no idea and Pete Rose in
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety one was out of prison on federal tax charges.
Speaker 4: Here's one same day, nineteen ninety four, Tanya Harding won
Speaker 4: the US Figure Skating champions h Tanya. Earlier that day,
Speaker 4: Nancy Kerrigan withdrew from the US Figure Stating Championship after
Speaker 4: being attacked the previous day.
Speaker 2: They always go together. Coincident. Nineteen seventy two, the Lakers,
Speaker 2: they won their thirty third consecutive game. They set the
Speaker 2: NBA record. They beat the Hawks that day by I
Speaker 2: think forty four points. Well, there was such a fun
Speaker 2: team following the Lakers. But I hear I was in
Speaker 2: Ohio following the Lakers and then they came into Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Got to see the Lakers with Wilt and Jerry and
Speaker 2: the whole crew there. Two thousand and eight, the first
Speaker 2: two loss team to play for the BCS title and
Speaker 2: win the title. Two thousand and eight, this team went
Speaker 2: twelve and two. Marvin Florida, No, LSU beat Ohio State,
Speaker 2: who threw four touchdown passes for LSU. And it's not
Speaker 2: Rohan Davy, Marvin, you were gonna go Rohan Davey, Paul Jefferson, No, Oh,
Speaker 2: Matt Mock, No, Matt Flynn. Ooh yeah, yeah, they won't
Speaker 2: a national title. That's what it says here. Beat Ohio State.
Speaker 2: They were twelve and two. Let me see anything else here.
Speaker 2: Jim in Cincinnati, Hi, Jim.
Speaker 12: Hey, good morning, love the show.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Jim, Hey, real quick.
Speaker 12: On, you know, swinging back to Saquon Barkley, but I
Speaker 12: was going back just with the whole MVP hustle and bustle.
Speaker 12: Early on he was in the mix. Now seems like
Speaker 12: he's not. And I'm just a little concerned with that
Speaker 12: because the first almost the first half of the season
Speaker 12: with the Eagles, they were trying to find themselves and
Speaker 12: he was really the steadying force for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can go back to Derrick. Henry was
Speaker 2: the steadying force for the Ravens as well, and they
Speaker 2: kind of canceled each other out. I think if Barkley
Speaker 2: had broken the wreck once again. You got to make
Speaker 2: it easy for voters sometimes like why do I vote
Speaker 2: for this guy? Or am I not voting for this guy? Well,
Speaker 2: this guy you have to vote saquon single season rushing
Speaker 2: record for the team that's the number two seed. You
Speaker 2: know you can you'd certainly have a case there. Lamar
Speaker 2: put up, you know, unprecedented numbers. But is it about
Speaker 2: numbers or team's success? Because there was a window where
Speaker 2: the Ravens weren't very good. I thought josh Allen had
Speaker 2: a consistent, consistently great year, and I think the expectations
Speaker 2: were lower for him than they were for Lamar. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know do you factor that in? I would I
Speaker 2: would give Josh Allen the MVP. I thought that that
Speaker 2: team played as a team. I think I think Baltimore
Speaker 2: is a better, far better offensive team than Buffalo. Maybe
Speaker 2: that doesn't factor in to your voting, and you know,
Speaker 2: that's just it. It's it's up. You know, it's open
Speaker 2: to your interpretation. But that's what I like about it.
Speaker 2: It's your vote on who you think is most valuable.
Speaker 2: Let's go around the room. What we learn on the program?
Speaker 11: Todd?
Speaker 2: Did you learn anything today? Seaton points out that inside
Speaker 2: the words Saturday is tird.
Speaker 7: And we're gonna all have a tough time getting past that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do we just make a T shirt just as
Speaker 2: Saturday and then emphasize turd? Yeah, that's what I learned today.
Speaker 5: That the word turn isn't such Saturday.
Speaker 2: Because Crappensburg State they play every game on Saturday. Yes
Speaker 2: they do. They do. Say at two o'clock, mar.
Speaker 8: Alf Marvin cham Gailey, cham Gailey didn't want Randy Moss.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oops, Paul, we took the Bengals off the board.
Speaker 2: Todd, what did I learn today?
Speaker 7: Sometimes we think a bit less of a head coach
Speaker 7: if they don't physically look like a head coach.
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