1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Murder in Oregon is a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 2: For thirty years now, the murder of Michael Frankie has 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: cast a dark shadow over the state of Oregon and 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 2: its institutions. He was a good and decent man, a 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 2: former prosecutor and judge, hired just the year before to 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: serve as director of the state's corrections department, and he 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: was stabbed to death on the night of January seventeenth, 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine, outside the office building where he worked 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: in Salem, known as the Dome Building. Much of what 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: happened that night remains a mystery. Frank Gable, a twenty 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: nine year old petty thief and small time drug dealer, 12 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: was arrested for the murder about a year later. Journalist 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: and author of Phil Stamford has been investigating the Frankie 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 2: murder for three decades. 15 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 3: It was not an accent, It was not a car 16 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 3: burglary gone bad. It was a public official who discovered 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: in his own department heads were going to roll. He 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 3: was about ready to demote or fire some of his 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: top aides. He'd already gotten rid of one, a lawyer 20 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 3: who'd been working there for over a decade. The night 21 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: before he was to address the legislative committee on this 22 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 3: very subject, he was stabbed in the heart in front 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 3: of the building where he worked. It was a cover 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 3: up from the beginning. They couldn't afford to even look 25 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 3: at the people who might have done it, so they 26 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: selected a patsy, and they made up the evidence against him, 27 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 3: put him on trial, and got a conviction. Those sons 28 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: a bit. 29 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: For more than thirty years, Gable has adamantly maintained his innocence, 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: and to this day, much about the Frankie murder investigation 31 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: and Gable's subsequent arrest still remained shrouded in secrecy. But 32 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: a few things do seem clear. The investigation into Michael's 33 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: stath was little more than a cover up. The corruption 34 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: Michael Frankie uncovered, and the individuals tied to that corruption, 35 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: and possibly Mike's murder, has not been properly pursued, which 36 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: is why for the past ten episodes of Murder and 37 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 2: Oregon we've been asking the question who killed Michael Frankie. 38 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: I'm Lauren Bray Pacheco, and this is Murder and Oregon. 39 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 3: The morning of January eighteenth, nineteen eighty nine, Kevin was 40 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 3: working at his construction company in Florida when he got 41 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: the call, and. 42 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: He was already suspicious before that. 43 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, a couple of weeks before or he'd had 44 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 3: a phone conversation with Mike, and Mike had told him 45 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: that he'd discovered an organized criminal element in his department 46 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 3: and he was going to be cleaning house. 47 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: And initially he's told by Dick Peterson that Mike was shot, 48 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: when in fact he was stabbed. 49 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 50 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 3: Dick Peterson, deputy director of Oregon Corrections, tells Kevin that 51 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 3: his brother Mike has been shot. 52 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: Here's Michael, Frankie's younger brother, Kevin. 53 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 5: What's going through my mind, I think is probably what 54 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 5: goes through everybody's mind when you get a tragic event, 55 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 5: is that I knew in my heart that I would 56 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 5: get out here and somebody would tell me it's a 57 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 5: big mistake. It was somebody else. Mike's okay, he's over here, 58 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 5: the person up on the patio with somebody else. The 59 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 5: gist of my thinking and feeling was this overwhelming grief 60 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 5: and sadness. 61 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: Kevin immediately flew to Oregon, as did his older brother Pat. 62 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 5: I remember seeing Pat. It looked like he just said 63 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 5: the weight of the world on his shoulders, and all 64 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 5: we could just hug each other and all I said, 65 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 5: was it true? That was it? 66 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: And then when Kevin gets out to Oregon, he is 67 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: interviewed initially by Detective Lauren Glover. 68 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I think it's that morning at the Dome building. 69 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 3: Lauren Glover was a state police officer who was one 70 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: of the principal investigators in the Frankie murder. 71 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: I assume that Glover asked the expected questions that you 72 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 2: would ask in a murder situation, Right. 73 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 5: Did Mike have any drug habits? Mike had any drinking habits, 74 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 5: they have any gambling habits? Do you know if he 75 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 5: was having affairs with anybody? They tell you this, They 76 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,119 Speaker 5: tell you that, and I said no. What he told 77 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 5: me was that he had uncovered an organized criminal element 78 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 5: and it kind of went over his head. 79 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 3: And we know this because years later we got the 80 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: officer's notes. Is that his brother was running into problems 81 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 3: with his top staff. 82 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: And then the Frankie brothers went with the police to 83 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: Mike's house to get clothing for the funeral for Mike's body, and. 84 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 3: What they saw there was pretty amazing. 85 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: Here's pat the oldest Frankie brother. 86 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 6: We went out to his house, his wife and I 87 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 6: and her dad and my brother Kevin with the police 88 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 6: to pick up clothing for the funeral people. There was 89 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 6: a forty five caliber pistol in the bed that had 90 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 6: been under his pillow, and a twelve gage state ritgun 91 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 6: leaning against the slanting glass door that opened that onto 92 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 6: a deck, And the deck and the sidewalk down below 93 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 6: were littered with hundreds and hundreds that spent twelve gage 94 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 6: shot gunshells. Even out there doing the walk, practicing with 95 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 6: the twelve games, that isn't a normal activity. I don't think. 96 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,799 Speaker 6: I don't think that's how I would want to spend 97 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 6: my life sleeping with a pistol under my pillow. 98 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: Not only would it seem that Mike was concerned for 99 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: his safety, but the state's official narrative of the murder 100 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: as a car robbery gone bad just didn't make sense. 101 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 3: Well, wasn't much of a robbery because he still had 102 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 3: his wallet, he still had his watch. What is missing. 103 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: His briefcase, and in that briefcase would have been floppy disks. 104 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 3: That's what we have to assume. 105 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: Yes, there was also unusual activity at the Dome building. 106 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: The day after his body was found, which would have 107 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: been a Saturday. 108 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: An inmate reported seeing a number I think it was 109 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: twenty three or something like that back of Uprenach that 110 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,239 Speaker 3: had been gathered up over the weekend. 111 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 5: There were twenty three trash bags full of papers that 112 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 5: were carried out of somewhere, and I would suspect some 113 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 5: of it came out of his office and they were 114 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 5: all shredded. 115 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: The Frankie family was assured the investigation was a top 116 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: priority and cautioned not to talk to the press, but 117 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,239 Speaker 2: Kevin in particular, remained skeptical. 118 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 5: From day one. I didn't believe that somebody was there 119 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 5: stealing something out of Mike's club compartment and kill them. 120 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 5: The whole scenario, everything just seemed absolutely wrong because of 121 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 5: what I knew about my brother, the fact that he 122 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 5: would grab somebody who in their right mind thinks that 123 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 5: Mike gives a shit about anything. They're going to steal 124 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 5: out of a state car seriously. 125 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: After the funeral, Kevin went back to Florida and back 126 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: to his business there, spending most of his time trying 127 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: to conduct a long distance investigation, which was very difficult 128 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: because he really didn't have any contacts back in Salem. 129 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: He was just calling blind in the corrections department phone. 130 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,239 Speaker 2: Book, and then a witness came forward. 131 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: Shortly after Kevin got back to Florida State Police held 132 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: a press conference and said they had a witness. It 133 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 3: was a maintenance person who it turned out was a 134 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: janitor named Wayne Huntsaker. 135 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 5: He said he saw two people. He turned because he 136 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 5: heard something like a grunt sound or a hurt sense, 137 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 5: like somebody getting punched in the gut, and he turned 138 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 5: around and he saw two guys facing each other at 139 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 5: that instant. One turned and ran this way, and the 140 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 5: other one went back into the Dome building. 141 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 3: The two men, he described, one was taller than the other, 142 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: and then one turned around and ran from the dome 143 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 3: building across the big green field there towards the State Hospital. 144 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: So the other one turned around and walked back to 145 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 3: the dome building. He's at leisurely at the time. But 146 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 3: what strikes me here is very odd is that the 147 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 3: one who turned and ran was noticeably taller than the 148 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: one who turned and walked back to the dome building. 149 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 3: Michael Frankie was about sixty three or sixty four, which 150 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 3: means that the guy who turned and ran he was 151 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 3: as tall as an NBA basketball player. It doesn't make 152 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 3: any sense. It doesn't fit. About a week after the murder, 153 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 3: the police held a press conference and announced they were 154 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 3: interested in talking with a man who had been seen 155 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 3: in the Dome Building the night of the murder. He 156 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 3: was seen in the Dome Building at six point thirty, 157 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 3: which was about an hour after the building had been 158 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 3: locked to the public. He was wearing a dark suit 159 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 3: and the woman thought it was a pinstripe suit. He's 160 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: quickly became known as the man in the pin strip 161 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 3: ripe Suit. 162 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 7: Now. 163 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 2: The thought that there was a guy inside the building 164 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: and a guy outside the building is also interesting in 165 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: light of the fact that we know that the number 166 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 2: three in command under Mike's department, Dave Colly, said that 167 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: he was afraid to go check Mike's office because he 168 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: was afraid he'd find him dead from a suicide. 169 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 3: Correct, that's what Colly said. 170 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 5: Who's the guy in the pinstripe suit and is stabbing him? 171 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 5: The best thing I think was planned that he was 172 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 5: there was supposed to be a suicide. Pinstripe suit was 173 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 5: supposed to disarm him, get him in his office and 174 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 5: either take him somewhere and kill him at home, or 175 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 5: have him do with the suicide. 176 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 2: Hair make it look like a suicide, and make. 177 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 5: It look like a suicide. I don't know if they 178 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 5: knew that he always used the north portico door instead 179 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 5: the main entry door, because the pinstripe suit was seen 180 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 5: at the main entry door going back and forth and 181 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 5: not here. So if he came out here and the 182 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 5: objective was to kill him, and now he's getting loose 183 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 5: and you have to stop him, and the shit hits 184 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 5: the fan. 185 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: After months with no information, Kevin's back in Florida and 186 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: feeling desperate when he gets an unusual tip. 187 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, a friend hands in the newspaper article about a 188 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: psychic who'd helped the local police and said, might as 189 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 3: well try her. So Kevin gave her a call and 190 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: they got together. 191 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 5: She said that they've got somebody in custody right now. 192 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 5: They think that he might have done it, but he 193 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 5: didn't do it, but he knows more than he should know. 194 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 5: His name's John Kay something called Glover. And I asked him, 195 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 5: I said, do you have somebody in custody right now? 196 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 5: He said, yeah, who snitched yet? We got a leak 197 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 5: in this Who told you that? And I said, I 198 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 5: went to a psyche and she said that he had 199 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 5: somebody in custody right now named John Kay. He says 200 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 5: it c crafts. 201 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 3: One of the most obvious things that Johnny chrls knew 202 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 3: that he couldn't have known unless he'd been there, was 203 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: the nature of the Frankie's wounds won a stab mark 204 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 3: to the left arm, probably a defensive wound, and the 205 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: fatal wound to the heart. And Johnny cross knew that 206 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 3: it hadn't been released to the public. But in addition 207 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 3: to that, he described the scene. He said Frankie had 208 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 3: come up on him when he was breaking into the car. 209 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: He tried to get away, he couldn't. Frankie was too strong. 210 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: They struggled. He had a knife, still trying to get away, 211 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 3: He started slicing at him and then he stabbed him. 212 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: The wind went out of him and he turned and 213 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 3: ran towards the old hospital, across the huge green lawn 214 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 3: there and around the green generator, which is exactly what Huntsaker, 215 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 3: the janitor, the State cops first witness said he saw 216 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 3: that night. 217 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: Kevin and Mike's brother Pat Frankie would visit Johnny Krause 218 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: in prison looking for answers. 219 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 6: And I went to the penitentiary with the Kraus's lawyer, 220 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 6: and I had a series of questions written out on 221 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 6: the three or five cards that I showed Krause through 222 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 6: the glass. I didn't want to talk. I didn't want 223 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 6: to recorded what I was asking and what he was 224 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 6: responding to. And I asked him about eight or ten 225 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 6: questions and he indicated that he didn't do it, but 226 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 6: he knew who did do it, and that he'd be 227 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 6: willing to cooperate along those lines. 228 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 2: Pat Caltville with a bombshell Krause shared. 229 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 3: He said, Pat, this goes to corrections. You're onto something 230 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 3: Pat told me. I put that in the column. 231 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: After Johnny Kraus's confession. He even took cops on a 232 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: ride to show them where they could find the bloody 233 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: clothes he ditched after the murder. During that ride, Kraus 234 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 2: also suggested a bit of a detour. 235 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: The police took him in a police car to show 236 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 3: them where he had buried some clothes that he'd worn 237 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 3: that night, and as they were driving down Park Avenue, 238 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: two blocks from the dome, building, which is where Michael 239 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 3: Frankie worked. 240 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 5: Kraus said, if you want to go see where the 241 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 5: knife was that killed Mike Frankie, go over to nine 242 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 5: forty two Park Avenue. And that's what Dale Penn and 243 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 5: the Cark and two state cops and Krass's attorney, and 244 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 5: they couldn't take two minutes out of their drive to 245 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 5: the penitentiary to stop buy nine forty two Park Avenue 246 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 5: just to check it out. 247 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 3: And that afternoon, the record shows he came back and 248 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 3: a meeting with Dayopinn and Sarah Moore, who was then 249 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 3: the lead prosecutor on the case, and said that he'd 250 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 3: been approached by two officials and corrections offered ten thousand 251 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 3: dollars killed Frankie, but had backed out of it, and 252 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: that someone else had done it. So all this is 253 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: going on behind the scenes, and we don't know it 254 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: until the records are released some time later. But what 255 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 3: we do know is that shortly after that, Johnny Krauss 256 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 3: was dropped as a suspect, and in fact it eventually 257 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 3: given immunity by the DA's office on the condition that 258 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 3: he'd not recant his recantation. 259 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: So it's that they didn't like his confession. They didn't 260 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: like the people his confession would ultimately lead to. 261 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: That's what it looks like for sure. 262 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: By now, Kevin was done taking orders from the folks 263 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: behind the official investigation and gives Phil the greenlight to 264 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: report on the corruption he knew his brother was investigating. 265 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: Phil does and includes a copy of a police sketch 266 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: he's tracked down. It's of the man in the penstripe suit. 267 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: And then Governor Neil Goldschmidt retaliates against both Phil and Kevin. 268 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 3: That's what set off Goldschmid. Next thing I knew he 269 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 3: was holding the press conference. He's saying, issue after issue 270 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: is in the paper, and nobody has ever stopped to say, 271 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 3: where does this garbage come from. You're impugning the character 272 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 3: of the Oregon State Police, which is an independent investigation. 273 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 3: He held another press conference and called it BS. After that, 274 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 3: Goldsmith's office and the Prosecutor Dale Penn started attacking Kevin, 275 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: saying there is no evidence at all that members of 276 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 3: the Frankie family said anything about this organized criminal element 277 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 3: in their initial interviews with the state cops, which of 278 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 3: course was not true. 279 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: Even as the official investigation pushed the narrative of a 280 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: car burglary gone bad. There was another development that pointed 281 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: in a very different direction. An inmate named Conrad Garcia 282 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 2: came forward with shocking allegations. 283 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 3: About six months after Michael Frankie is murdered, he goes 284 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 3: to his counselor in prison and tells the counselor that 285 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: he knows something about the murder. He says he was 286 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 3: approached by tim Natividad to do the murder and he 287 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 3: knows that Scott McCallister, the prison lawyer, arranged it. 288 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: Is there a record of that. 289 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 3: I pulled up the report by Laurance, Conrad's counselor, and 290 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 3: it says this is what the task force wrote from 291 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 3: his report. Laurance was interviewing inmate Garcia concerning an institutional matter. 292 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 3: During the conversation, Garcia told Durance, mister Frankie was killed 293 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 3: by Timothy David Natividad. This was arranged by Scott McCallister, 294 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 3: so that's information they had. 295 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 5: Conrad stated that tim Natividad killed Mike Frankie and that 296 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 5: Scott McAllister had put him up to it, and he 297 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 5: told that to his counselor and John Lawrence gave that 298 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 5: information into the State Police via the tip lines and 299 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 5: the tip sheets to the State Police investigators regarding Mike's murder. 300 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: And we spoke to two women extremely involved and familiar 301 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 2: with Timothy Natividad also known as Rooster, and both believed 302 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: he was violent, volatile, and very capable of murder. Here's 303 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 2: Carrie Rothschild, who was barely a teen when she was 304 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 2: trafficked by her mother to Natividad, a drug dealer. Carrie 305 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 2: was even with Natividad when another murder was committed. 306 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 8: There were some gunshots and the door opened and somebody 307 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 8: in the other room had shot one of the people 308 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 8: that he was with and killed him. And he had 309 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 8: them over his shoulder, and I've got I mean, I've 310 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 8: had nightmares about this day forever. 311 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: But he's carrying them, you know. 312 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 8: And then he takes them out side and put some 313 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 8: in a trunk of a car. And I went with 314 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 8: him in the van and I helped him, unfortunately clean 315 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 8: up the blood because it was on him. And he 316 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 8: looked at me and said, we'll never ever speak of 317 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 8: this again. And I was so scared. 318 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: Carrie's mother, Melody, was muling large amounts of drugs into 319 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: the prison with the obvious protection and knowledge of people 320 00:19:59,040 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: in power. 321 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 5: He's moving a lot of drugs into the joint. She's 322 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 5: going into visit three times a day, seven days a week, 323 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 5: which is unheard of. You've got to have some sort 324 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 5: of connection there to get in that many visits. You're 325 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 5: not allowed that many that often unless your name doesn't 326 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 5: go in the visitation records. So you must have known 327 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 5: somebody that could get you in without documenting your visit. 328 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 2: Carrie recalls corrections guards and officials coming to her house 329 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 2: to visit her mother, Melody, who was desperate to get 330 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 2: her fourth husband, Conrad Garcia, out of prison. 331 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 9: When Nativida would come to our house, usually he would 332 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 9: come alone, and he came to our house on a 333 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 9: couple of different occasions with different people. One time he 334 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 9: came with who I believe is Scott McAllister, and then 335 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 9: the other time he came with someone who I believe 336 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 9: is the guard from the prison. They pulled up in 337 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 9: government vehicles and I only know that now from working 338 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 9: in the field of the federal law. 339 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 2: Liz Godlove was Natividad's living girlfriend, gave birth to his son, 340 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: and was often on the receiving end of his violent 341 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: mood swings. 342 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 4: Tim got extremely dangerous, holding knives to my throat and 343 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 4: choking me out, and like the police were really there's 344 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 4: nothing they could do. I filed restraining orders. Tim would 345 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 4: get locked up for the day and get out, it'd be. 346 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 2: Worse, and she says Natividad became increasingly unhinged after Michael 347 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 2: Frankie's murder. 348 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 4: It was really super paranoid, angry, sad, mad. All the 349 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 4: emotions were like a lot of crying and shaking and 350 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 4: not letting me out of his site, not letting me 351 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 4: go to the store, or not letting me have family over, 352 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 4: keeping the blinds shut and saying don't let anybody in, 353 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 4: do not answer the door. And if I'm here, I'm 354 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 4: not here, you know, don't ever let anybody know I'm here. 355 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 4: He wanted to move to Bend and buy house in 356 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 4: those two weeks He's telling me all this. He wanted 357 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 4: to go to Hawaii, so he had all these big 358 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 4: plans right away. 359 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: Two weeks after Mike's murder, Liz would shoot Tim to 360 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 2: death in self defense. Then months later she would see 361 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 2: the police drawing of the man in the pinstripe suit. 362 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 4: The composite drawing that came out in the newspaper and 363 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 4: on the news looked to me and my sister Careen, 364 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 4: it looked like Tim. 365 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 2: Do you remember what you thought and what you said 366 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 2: when you saw? 367 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 4: Really we were shocked and said, oh my god. 368 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 2: So she went to the police. 369 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 4: As I said, you, guys, I think Tim killed Michael Franken, 370 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 4: need you to look into it. Tim always carried an 371 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 4: Tim had a huge knife collection. Tim was violent. Tim 372 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 4: told me he killed somebody, and I think it's Michael. 373 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 4: Look at this composite drawing. And they laughed and said, 374 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 4: you can't convict a dead man. There's nothing we can 375 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 4: do here. 376 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: And Tim Natividad is never pursued as a suspect. 377 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: No, despite what Conrad Garcia told his counselor that he'd 378 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 3: been approached by Natividad to do the murder and that 379 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 3: he thought that Scott McCallister was behind it, they never 380 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 3: really pursued that. No, they never did. 381 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 2: Why do you think, Well. 382 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 3: Obvious possibility is they couldn't have investigated him without investigating McAllister, 383 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 3: and they obviously did not want to investigate McAllister. And 384 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 3: so it was about this time the investigation started zeroing 385 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 3: in on small time drug dealer named Frank Gable, just 386 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 3: completely out. 387 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 6: Of them blue. 388 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 3: They had no physical evidence him with the crime, No and. 389 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 2: How did they build their case around him? 390 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 3: So what they did was to talk to a motley 391 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 3: collection of X cons and jailbirds who had serious sentences, 392 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: in some cases hanging over their heads and get them 393 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 3: to make up stories about Gable. They used Lilie detective 394 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 3: tests polygraphs to shape the testimony in just about every case. 395 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 10: I got that phone call at home on April ninth, 396 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 10: the morning of April ninth, and it was Captain Dennis 397 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 10: O'Donnell on the line. He stated his purpose for the 398 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 10: call was to inform me that they had indicted Frank 399 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 10: Gable for the murder of Mike. And I said, you 400 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 10: got to be shipping me. I said, why are you 401 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 10: calling me? Because I was expected that if there was 402 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 10: a call, that it would be calling from the DA's office. 403 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 10: And he said, we flipped a coin, and I lost. 404 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 2: Convinced there was more to his brother's murder, Kevin picked 405 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 2: up and moved to Oregon. He wasn't exactly welcomed. 406 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 5: The very first night that I was in Oregon. I 407 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,479 Speaker 5: got my tires slashed. Then I got a note saying 408 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 5: welcome to Oregon, now go home, placed on the windshield. 409 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 2: The Salem and State police would try to make his 410 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 2: life a living hell, and they'd go beyond verbal harassment. 411 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 5: It's not verbal when there's a gunpoint in your temple. 412 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 5: And that happened on several. 413 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: Occasions, one in particular that nearly turned deadly. 414 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 5: I sat there wondering if I was going to see 415 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 5: the windshield blow out before my brain said it. All 416 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 5: kinds of weird things were coming into my head now. 417 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 5: I kept watching the cops in my rear view mirror 418 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 5: because they had the light shining in the outside mirror here, 419 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 5: and I could see about five cops back there. 420 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 2: In the meantime, Gable's trial said yeah. 421 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 3: The lawyer assigned to Gable's case, Bob Abil, was hardly 422 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 3: capable of handling such a big, important, complex case. He 423 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 3: was on the skids himself as a lawyer, and he 424 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 3: was a heavy drinker. Besides. 425 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: In fact, his own defense team was so concerned that 426 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 2: he wasn't prepared for Gable's trial that they approached the 427 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: judge at the time with a formal letter asking to 428 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: postpone the trial. 429 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 3: They sent Judge West a letter saying just that, and 430 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 3: nothing came up, but the trial went forward. 431 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 2: Here's local television reporter Eric Mason. 432 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 11: I think all of us realized there was nothing really 433 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 11: that connected Frank Gable to this crime, and that the 434 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 11: people who had told the story that and had become 435 00:26:54,640 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 11: informants and stitches against Frank Gable. They were all professional lawyers. 436 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 11: They were all people who had made serious, big deals 437 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 11: before in their lives with prosecutors and understood the system 438 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 11: and the way it worked. 439 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 3: Jody and Shrety Harden were supposedly the state's star witnesses. 440 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 3: They're only eyewitnesses after they got their stories straight. They 441 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 3: claimed to have been in a car at the Dome 442 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 3: Building on the night of the murder and to have 443 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 3: seen the murder. 444 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 2: But their testimony contradicted the only reliable witness the state 445 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: had on the stand, Huntsacker. 446 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 3: Right, Huntsaker, who saw the two men in front of 447 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 3: the Dome Building, would have also seen the car that 448 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 3: Jody and Shorty were in, but there was no car there. 449 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 3: And in the trial, this is a pretty good example 450 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 3: of how incompetent able was he didn't even try to 451 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 3: point this contradiction out, and. 452 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 2: The jury was never told about Johnny Krause's confession and 453 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: Tim Natividade's name was never even mentioned. 454 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 3: No, the jury had no idea that someone else had 455 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 3: confessed to the crime. 456 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 2: Tom McCallum was the lead investigator for Frank Gable's defense. 457 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 3: When the verdict came back, Frank didn't want to come up. 458 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 3: He didn't want to come He was scared and didn't 459 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 3: want to come up. And here's a verdict. And I 460 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 3: went down and talked to him for about half an 461 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 3: hour and I said, yeah, fat, there's no way he 462 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 3: can find you guilty. And that's the way I felt. 463 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 3: And so, with absolutely no physical evidence connecting him to 464 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 3: the scene of the crime, and only the Furgir testimony 465 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 3: of several so called material witnesses, Frank Gable was convicted 466 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 3: of the murder of Michael Frankie and sentenced to life 467 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 3: without parole. 468 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: They even asked for the death penalty. 469 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 3: Which is to me, the final evil here is that they, 470 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 3: knowing that they had made up the case against this man, 471 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 3: then after he was convicted, try to kill him. 472 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: And so begins Frank Gable's long legal battle to prove 473 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: his innocence. 474 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 7: This case has been controversial from the start. When Gable 475 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 7: was arrested for the murder, he claimed he was set up. 476 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 3: I believe that I walked into a complicated drug ring 477 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 3: and really don't know how complicated it was until now. 478 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: And you think maybe that drug ring had something to 479 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 2: do with Frankie's murder. 480 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 6: I believe so. Yes. 481 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 7: He has filed multiple appeals. Today the judge ruled the 482 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 7: trial courtin. 483 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 2: Frank Caple filed a handwritten habeas corpus petition in two 484 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 2: thousand and seven. That Latin term literally translates to produce 485 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 2: the body. It's a legal recourse where a person can 486 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 2: report supposed unlawful imprisonment and ask for the chance to 487 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 2: have a judge determined whether or not the detention was legal. 488 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 2: It was truly Frank's last chance and would prove the 489 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 2: beginning to an uphill battle for his freedom. After reading 490 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 2: Phil Stanford's columns, Gable began to correspond with Phil. The 491 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 2: letters were heartfelt and personal. In them, Gable's mood wavered 492 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 2: at times between hope and despair. 493 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 3: September seventh, twenty eleven, Phil glad to hear from you, 494 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 3: all is okay on this end best prison can be. 495 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 3: I guessed been a little crazy here. Guy got stabbed 496 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 3: about fifty times. Heard he's on life support. Prison is 497 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 3: so full of violence. No words can express how I 498 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 3: hated in Heirphil. It's been such a long road. Not 499 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 3: much else really, just trying the best I can to 500 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 3: continue to deal with this nightmare so overwhelming at times. 501 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 3: I just pray that God sees fit to bring justice 502 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 3: in the near future. Amen, So tire Phil, take care. 503 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 2: While he was in prison, Gable was moved around repeatedly. 504 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 3: He got transferred to Kansas to be near his sister 505 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 3: who was ill, and so that explains the last one. 506 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 3: But the transfers before that, I think some of them 507 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 3: were just punitive. I mean, Kevin believes he was transferred 508 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 3: to the particular prison in California just because it was 509 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 3: so dangerous and they would have been more than happy 510 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 3: to have him get killed. 511 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: Things had a turning point when Gable's plight caught the 512 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 2: attention of a federal public defender, Nell Brown. 513 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 3: They continue to get things done. I just wish it 514 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 3: would be faster. I guess they don't understand that it's 515 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 3: been twenty two and a half years I've been locked 516 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 3: up and that any chance to have a family is 517 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,959 Speaker 3: slipping away. I always pictured myself with a wife, several kids, 518 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 3: on a ranch, enjoined, fishing and hunting with my kids, 519 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 3: riding horses, etc. I've got nothing at fifty two years old, 520 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 3: in prison, wrongfully convicted. 521 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: On October seventeenth. In twenty fourteen, Brown filed an amended 522 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 2: version of Gable's original petition for writ of habeas corpus, 523 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: this time with a proclamation of innocence, along with a 524 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,719 Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty nine page supporting legal brief. It 525 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 2: was an astronomical task. 526 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 3: First of all, she and her investigators contacted all the 527 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 3: material witnesses and got them to recant, to admit they'd 528 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 3: made up their testimony. She was using phone records. She 529 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 3: put together an airtight alibi for Frank on the night 530 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 3: of the murder at the time of the murder. This 531 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 3: could have been done before. It was really a brilliant 532 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 3: piece of investigation and argumentation. The one thing that impressed 533 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 3: me so much was in one of the appendices of 534 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 3: her report was a picture they had found in the 535 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 3: State police sevidence lockers of Michael Frankie's whiteboard, the whiteboard 536 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 3: he was using with his staff the night of the murder. 537 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 3: They were having a meeting talking about the talk he 538 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 3: was going to be giving the next morning to the 539 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,239 Speaker 3: Legislative Committee. And on the whiteboard, the last entry was 540 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 3: the a shed. The fire in the a shed was 541 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,959 Speaker 3: obviously going to be the last item on his speech. 542 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 3: It was the most important thing he was going to 543 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 3: leave the legislators with. 544 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 2: And the a shed fire was arson for insurance purposes, 545 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 2: which cost the state of Oregon well over a million dollars. 546 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 3: Yes, and it was final proof that, yes, he was 547 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 3: an investigating corruption. This is what the states had been 548 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 3: fighting against so long, the idea that he could possibly 549 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 3: have been investigating corruption. Here was the proof of it. Finally, 550 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 3: photographic proof of it. 551 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 2: Here's Nigel J. Quis, Pulitzer Prize winning reporter for the 552 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 2: Willlamme at Week. 553 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 12: I think the Federal Public Defender's Office did an amazing 554 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 12: job of tracking down a disparate group of people and 555 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 12: getting them to tell something closer to the truth than 556 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 12: they told in nineteen ninety and nineteen ninety one. And 557 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 12: you know that it's very heartening to see that nel 558 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 12: Brown in particular, but now in her colleagues were willing 559 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 12: to put that kind of time and those kind of 560 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 12: resources into a guy that nobody cared about. I mean, 561 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 12: you know those few reporters who were kind of obsessed 562 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 12: with this case, and then a small colory of people 563 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 12: cared about Frank Gabel, but nobody really cared about Frank Abel. 564 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 12: And for them to invest all that time and all 565 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 12: that shoe leather into getting those people to recant, it's 566 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 12: a pretty amazing. 567 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 10: Piece of work. 568 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 2: Brown also brought up the confession of Kraus being omitted 569 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 2: from evidence, as well as natividad by forbidding the defense 570 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 2: from presenting the jury with evidence of third party guilt, 571 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 2: along with other glaring violations of Gable's constitutional rights. Brown 572 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 2: made the case that not only did Frank Gable not 573 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 2: commit the murder, but he was complete innocent of the crime. 574 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 2: For Phil Stanford, the petition was an impressive presentation of 575 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 2: the argument Frank Gable had been arguing all along. 576 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 3: I realized reading these letters from Gable, he understood it. 577 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 3: He'd been reading the case four years, and he understood that, 578 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,959 Speaker 3: as he says in the letters here, they knowingly set 579 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 3: me up. They knowingly made up the evidence against me, 580 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 3: They knowingly obscured and confused the evidence on my alibi. 581 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 5: He understood it. 582 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 3: And he was sitting there locked up in one of 583 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 3: the worst prisons in the country, life without parole, you know, 584 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 3: really without much hope at that point, sending me letters 585 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 3: saying we need to investigate this, we need to investigate that. 586 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 3: It wasn't until the federal Public Defender Neil Brown presented 587 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 3: her brilliant study of the case, the Abeas Corpus petition, 588 00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 3: to the court, and I had a chance to read 589 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 3: that that I must say, for the first time I 590 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,919 Speaker 3: really understood the case. I mean, it's an absolutely brilliant job, 591 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 3: and the analysis is good. Evidence is also brilliantly presented. 592 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 3: He is quite innocent, and here is the proof. 593 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 2: Steve Jackson covered Gable's initial trial for The Statesman Journal. 594 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 2: Here's his take on Public Defender nel Brown's petition. 595 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 13: You know, now I talked to her at one point, 596 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 13: and she's admirable and that you know, she went to 597 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 13: bat for Frank and did her job. And that's the 598 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 13: sort of you know, attorney you want to have on 599 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 13: your side. You know, we should all get to have 600 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 13: that sort of an attorney on our side. 601 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 2: On April eighteenth, twenty nineteen, US Magistrate Judge John Acosta 602 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 2: delivered his ruling, but. 603 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 7: Just today a federal judge ruled he must be released 604 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 7: from custody unless the State of Oregon decides to retry 605 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 7: within ninety days. He has filed multiple appeals today the 606 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 7: judge rule the trial court messed up by not allowing 607 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,280 Speaker 7: evidence to showed another person had actually admitted to the crime. 608 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 3: What struck me most, of course, was the judges statement that, 609 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 3: given the evidence that was available then and new evidence 610 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 3: that had been brought forward, no reasonable juror would vote 611 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 3: to convict Prank Gable. 612 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 2: Here's reporter for the Portland Tribune, Jim Redden's thoughts. 613 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 14: Why they didn't prosecute Johnny Krause when he made the 614 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 14: confession even though. 615 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 15: He recanted it. 616 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 14: You know, the one confession he made had sufficient detail 617 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 14: to convince Acosta that you know, it should have been 618 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 14: entered in evidence. Why they decided not to prosecute him 619 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 14: and then. 620 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 3: Settled on Gable. 621 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 14: I have no idea, and I don't know. 622 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 6: That we'll have know that. 623 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 2: For Kevin, Frankie and Phil Stamford after nearly thirty years. 624 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 2: News of the ruling in Frank's favor was beyond emotional. 625 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 2: Here's a voicemail Kevin left me that night. 626 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 10: Hi, Laurene, this Kevin O. Man home fucking run. I 627 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 10: haven't cry so Sincepike got killed. And that's the truth is. 628 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 6: I don't know what to say. 629 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 2: Here's phil. 630 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 3: I got an email from Jim Redden. He was the 631 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 3: one who'd done the best job of keeping up with 632 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 3: new and she had sent him an email saying, gable winds. 633 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 3: I mean, that's her way of doing it. She didn't say. 634 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 3: We went and it still didn't really hit me, And 635 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 3: at some point I forget just what it was. 636 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 5: It hit me and. 637 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 15: I could feel my you know, sort of tears squeezing 638 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 15: out of my eyes, and of course I talked to 639 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 15: Kevin and and he said, yeah, I cried like a baby, 640 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,399 Speaker 15: and I said, me too. 641 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 2: After Judge Acosta's decision, Kevin received a letter from Frank. 642 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 5: Says I can't express all the emotions I feel. Me too. 643 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,399 Speaker 5: The ruling is awesome, but as I told my reign, 644 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 5: it's raining. His wife been stabbed, my throat's being cut shot. 645 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 5: I'm afraid I can't hold a job in the free world. 646 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 5: I'm a broken man, but I'm willing to fight and 647 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 5: overcome it. I'm still in prison, still scared to believe 648 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 5: it could finally be over. I may walk out free. 649 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 6: State. 650 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,879 Speaker 5: They wrongfully convicted me. I now what to see if 651 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,359 Speaker 5: they'll appeal, and they'll be stuck in here for who 652 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 5: knows how long. So tell I'm getting dressed out to leave. 653 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 5: I'll be uncertain, not able to believe this is truly over. 654 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 5: Hope to see you all soon. 655 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 7: Frank freedom after thirty years. On Friday, fifty nine year 656 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 7: old Frank Gable will walk out of prison. 657 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 5: Now, Oregon's Department of Justice has ninety days to either 658 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 5: release Gable or retry him. 659 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 2: Frank Gable did walk out of prison into the arms 660 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 2: of his wife on June twenty eighth, twenty nineteen, but 661 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 2: the joy of Frank's newfound freedom was short lived. The 662 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 2: state of Oregon appealed the decision the next month. 663 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 13: The Oregon Department of Justice is appealing, saying it believes 664 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 13: Gable remains a danger to the public. 665 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 2: Kevin Frankie thinks the state is running out of options 666 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 2: and excuses the State's. 667 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 5: Not going to win their appeal. Marion County is not 668 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 5: going to retrain that they can drag this appeal out 669 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 5: for years. And they don't have a case against him period. 670 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,320 Speaker 5: They have no witnesses, they have no evidence, they have nothing. 671 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 5: And now we have an open case. 672 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 6: Coming up. 673 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 2: On the final episode of Murder and Oregon, loose ends 674 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:26,720 Speaker 2: are tied. 675 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 12: A lot of people were never satisfied and assault and 676 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 12: they're even less. 677 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 2: Satisfied today and we present the pressing issues that remain. 678 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 5: There's a letter there is that I knew your brother 679 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 5: was killed because he knew too much and he was 680 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 5: stepping on the wrong. 681 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 2: Toes to call out the people who know who killed 682 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 2: Michael Frankie. 683 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: Murdering organ Is hosted by Lauren Bright Pacheco and Phil Stanford. 684 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: Executive producers are Noel Brown, Lauren Bret Pacheco, and Phil Stanford. 685 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 1: Supervising producer and lead editor is Taylor Chackogne. Sound designed 686 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: by Tristan McNeil, Story editing by Matt Riddle, written by 687 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,800 Speaker 1: Phil Stanford, Matt Riddle, and Lauren Bright Pacheco. Music written 688 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,399 Speaker 1: and performed by the Diamond Street Players and mixed by 689 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: Taylor Chackogne, with music supervision by Noel Brown, Additional music 690 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: by Tristan McNeil. Archival elements courtesy of kg W in Portland, Oregon. 691 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: The station behind the podcast Urge to Kill Murder in 692 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: Oregon is a production of iHeartRadio