1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Asia for this Wednesday January in 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Hong Kong, Tuesday January in New York and coming up 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: this hour. US stocks inch lower as the market analyzes 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: the latest patch of corporate earnings. Microsoft's profit top sandalists 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: estimates with help from its cloud services business and the 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: U S shoes, Google over an alleged monopoly on ads. 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: Germany and the US break deadlock to bring heavy tanks 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: to Ukraine. Classified documents found at Mike Penn's home. W 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: A show head says he's concerned about COVID and China. 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: I'm at Baxter with Global News. The highest men seed 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: remaining advances to the semis of the Australian Open. Dan Schwartzman, 12 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: I'll have that story more coming up in Bloomberg Sports. 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: That's all straight Ahead on Bloomberg Daybreak Asia on Bloomberg 14 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: eleven and three on New York, Bloomberg Washington, d C, 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg one O six one, Boston, Bloomberg nine sixties Sentrances 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: Go Serious Exam one nineteen and around the world on 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio dot Com and via the Bloomberg Business app. 18 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: Good Morning, I'm de prisoner and I'm Brian Curtis. Here 19 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: are the stories we're following today. All right, Doug, let's 20 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,639 Speaker 1: take a closer look at Microsoft. Those earnings out second 21 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: quarter profit, topping analysts estimates. We get the details for 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's Charlie Pellet, the software giant was helped by strengthen 23 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: its Azure cloud services business even as demands slump for 24 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: personal computer and corporate software. In Microsoft's closely watched cloud 25 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: computing business, sales gained thirty eight percent, compared with predictions 26 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: for a thirty seven percent increase excluding the impact of 27 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: currency fluctuations. Last week, Microsoft said it was firing ten 28 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: thousand workers in the past quarter. The software giants growth 29 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: engines have faltered as corporate customers became warier of spending 30 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: in an uneven economic environment. In New York, Charlie Pelt 31 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Daybreak Asia, Thank you, Charlie. Well Equity Strategies, saying 32 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: the next few weeks could tell us whether corporate America 33 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: remains strong or is beginning to slump. The chief investment 34 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: strategist over at City is Stephen Whiting. He's expecting to 35 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: see earnings take a significant hit despite some rosy estimates 36 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: it looks so much in the analyst earnings estimates, like 37 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter was the recession and here we are 38 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: sitting in the recovery, and it actually looks a little 39 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: bit like that in financial markets. And it would be 40 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: wonderful if that were really the truth, if we weren't 41 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: just on the leading edge of the hit that we're 42 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: going to have in profits um and of course how 43 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: markets traded last year are not anticipating this to be, 44 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: you know, some kind of profit Nravana. We don't have declines, uh, 45 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: you know about something that is Cities Investment strategist Chief 46 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: Investments Strategists Stephen Whiting. Now when it comes to US equities, 47 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: Whiting is overweight farmer suticals. And at the same time, 48 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: if you look at the Asia Pacific region, City's head 49 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: of Asia strategy is overweight Chinese equities and very bullish 50 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: on the Yuan Brian. And we're seeing signs of strength 51 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: dug in some developed markets. Data out of Europe, for instance, 52 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: showing the private sector unexpectedly returning to growth. SMP Globals 53 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: Flash Manufacturing Index arose to fifty point two in January. 54 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: That's the first time the gauge has pointed to growth. 55 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: Since June. Eric Robertson, his chief strategist at Standard Chartered, 56 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: we're seeing upside surprises in the data. This feared recession, 57 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: that food and energy crisis which was so talked about 58 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: last year, is just turning out to be less threatening 59 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: than expected, and so I think there's a very good 60 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: case for Europe to at least outperform from those really 61 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: downbeat expectations. Robertson says the situation in Europe does look 62 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: better than he initially feared. At the same time, SMP 63 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: Global says the region is quote not out of the 64 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: woods yet well. Emerging market equities could be gearing up 65 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: for a very strong run. That is the call from 66 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: Morgan Stanley. We have more from Bloomberg's Tom Busby. Stocks 67 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: and emerging markets are set to be this decade's winners. 68 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: That's according to Morgan Stanley Investment Management's Deputy Chief investment 69 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: Officer Gentandra Kendari. She says developing equities are trading at 70 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 1: attractive valuations and economies like India are set for better 71 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: growth than the US. In fact, Kendari calls India one 72 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: of the top trades at Morgan Stanley. So far this year, 73 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: the m s c I Emerging Markets Index is up 74 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: more than eight percent. Coodpared with a four and a 75 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: half percent advance for the SMP five hundred In New York. 76 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm Tom Busby Bloomberg Daybreak Asia and now back to 77 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: a story out of the United States. Who've been telling 78 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: you about this for the past twenty four hours or so, 79 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: but now it's official. The US government is suing Google. 80 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: We get the details from Bloomberg's and Kate's in Washington. 81 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: The Justice Department in eight US states are suing alphabets Google. 82 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: They say the company has an illegal monopoly on digital 83 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: advertising and they want break up the business. It's the 84 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: Biden administration's first major case challenging one of the largest 85 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: US tech companies. It's also one of the few times 86 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: the Justice Department has called for the breakup of a 87 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: major firm. The last time it dismantled the company was 88 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: the Bell Telecom System In in Washington. I'm in Kate's 89 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Daybreak Asia. All right, and thank you, And we're 90 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: seeing Google respond to those allegations from the US government. 91 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: The company is saying the Justice Department is quote doubling 92 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: down on a flawed argument. Google is comparing these charges 93 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: to a similar lawsuit brought by the state of Texas, 94 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: which it calls unfounded and Brian, staying with a theme 95 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: of Texas, can I pivot to Texas instruments. I mentioned 96 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 1: earlier that the company reported of first it's first drop 97 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: in sales since about and kind of with a tepid 98 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: forecast for the current quarter week demand in all ends 99 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: of the market for semiconductors. I thought this was curious 100 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: except automotive. Yeah, that has been an industry that has 101 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: been on fire. Uh, and apparently it's still very good 102 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: for for t I um that the I wanted to 103 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: go back to Google just briefly. The stock did trade 104 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: down two point one percent today, Doug, and that's because 105 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: of the waitiness I suppose of this action. But all 106 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: when you think about it, this could play out over many, many, 107 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: many years, and yet investors still reacted. And I'm looking 108 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: at the Microsoft share price now really fluctuating. You know, 109 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: from most of the period after the earnings came out, 110 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: the stock was up about four percenters, so now it 111 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: has moved down to just with a gain of about 112 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: two I think some analysts take from this Doug is 113 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: that this was more resilience by Microsoft than any new 114 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: news that some thought it could be a lot worse. Yeah, 115 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: particularly where the cloud service business is concerned. That of course, 116 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: asure we saw a weak demand for personal computer software 117 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: and corporate software as well. And then, Brian, if you 118 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: look at some of the cloud computing companies, UH names 119 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: like Mango, dB, Data Dog, they are rally here in 120 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: the late session. Yeah, and I wanted to mention Swatch. 121 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: It came out with its earnings. The stocks traded up 122 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: about five percenters so in Europe, and Swatch had some 123 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: positive comments about China, and that's very much in focus 124 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: now as China is reopening. We'll be getting comments from 125 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: CEOs of many, many companies over the coming days. It's 126 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: time for global news. The U S and Germany are 127 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: poised to break their negotiating deadlock over sending heavy tanks 128 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: to Ukraine. Ed Baxter has Global News in the ND 129 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: sixty newsroom in San Francisco. Ed. Yeah, that's right, Brian. 130 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: Both will offer tanks, sending Kieva powerful new weapon to 131 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: counter Russian offensives. This is something the NATO Secretary General 132 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: Yan Stoltenberg says is essential to the defense of Europe 133 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: as a whole. We have no indication that Preston Putin 134 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: has changed his goals. He wants to control Ukraine and 135 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: is planning new offensives. Biden administration expected to announce as 136 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: soon as tomorrow it will offer Ukrainian forces the M 137 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: one Abrams tank, dropping the criticism that it is too 138 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: hard to operate. Germany then will send its powerful Leopard tanks. 139 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,119 Speaker 1: The move will give Ukrainian President Vladimer Zelenski's forces significant 140 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: new capabilities as the war will shift to the east. 141 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: New Zealand has a new Prime Minister. Just within the 142 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: past half hour. Chris Hipkins has been sworn in, completing 143 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: the handover from Jacinda Ardern. He's expected to hold a 144 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: news conference this morning. World Health Organization Panel will meet 145 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: this week to discuss whether COVID nineteen still represents a 146 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: global health emergency. Director General Tetris gabrius As says he's 147 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: very concerned by the situation in many countries and the 148 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: rising number of deaths. He says China's particular concern after 149 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: its abandoning of COVID zero. The FDA is rolling out 150 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: procedures for annual COVID vaccines. The hope in some circles 151 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: is to have one annual shot that would cover with 152 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: COVID and influenza. Well, now, Dr She's Shaw earlier today 153 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: on Balance of Power on Bloomberg. She is with Stanford 154 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: Health Director of Infectious Diseases. She says, maybe not too fast. 155 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: I think the first step is that we need to 156 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: get to one shot that takes care of COVID for 157 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: the whole year um, and that's the hope for the 158 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: coming season. Dr Shaw says that this is the best 159 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: science at this point to protect against both diseases. Classified 160 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: documents have been found in former US Vice President Mike 161 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: Penns home in Indiana. Bloomberg Examrie Horndern reports she ordered 162 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: he ordered lawyers to do a search and they found 163 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,599 Speaker 1: about a dozen classified documents. We were then put in 164 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: boxes and driven to the National Archives. Right now we 165 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: have the Department of Justice and the FBI looking into this. 166 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: Per this report. One thing is notable though, that the 167 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: former Vice president Mike Pence has said that he did 168 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: not have classified documents previously, and now they are showing up. Yeah, 169 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: and the FBI and Justice apart but are investigating Meanwhile, 170 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: law makers on both sides of the aisle would like 171 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: to know more about the Biden classified documents. Republican Senator 172 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham says, the whole system needs looking at. I think, 173 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: uh clearly the way we handle classified information needs to 174 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: be uh improved upon. So I'm not going to pre 175 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: judge what happened with Trump or Biden. I'm glad people 176 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: outside of politics or looking at it. I have confidence 177 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: in UH Attorney General Garland to do it fairly and 178 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: approves of the Special Council in San Francisco. I'm at 179 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: Baxter and this is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg Debrik Asia, 180 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: Brian Curtis here in Hong Kong, along with Rushad Salamat 181 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: in Singapore, and our guest is Anna Han, equity strategist 182 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: at Wells Fargo Securities. And a plenty of time to 183 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: talk about the really big picture, the big macro story 184 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: and the FED in recession, all that, But let's get 185 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: your take on the earnings so far from the banks 186 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: at the outset to the tech results we saw today. 187 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: Your thoughts. Yeah, coming to earning season, you saw that banks, 188 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: which tend to be the first group that report and 189 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: kind of a bell weather banks for training up generally, 190 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 1: which is usually not a great sign if you look historically, 191 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: when banks outperformed coming into earnings, they tend to get 192 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: faded pretty quickly. We're not seeing that too much, uh 193 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: this season. So it's been encouraging to see that those games, um, 194 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: that these banks who were able to be earnings or 195 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: even miss earnings are still able to get some rewards. 196 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: And in fact, the most peculiar thing this earning season 197 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: is to see how light the penalty has been for 198 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: earnings misses. We'll see how that trends as we get 199 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: further into the season. So ultimately, and well, why I 200 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: guess investors being that I suppose forgiving in a way, 201 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: and also you know when you look at banks, what's 202 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: actually then being priced into them? Right right? You have 203 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: the exact word on my mind, which was forgiving. Uh. 204 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: To be honest, it could be possibly that people had 205 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: such negative sentiment coming into this season, and that's not 206 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: really the most bright sunny picture I'm painting here, but 207 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: it's true that a lot of people are expecting lower 208 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: EPs for visions and with that at UM some really 209 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: bad news this earning season. We also know that that 210 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: inflation has been you know, gnawing away at those margins. 211 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 1: I think that the action that you're seeing here is 212 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: a little bit of a relief. And in particular, you 213 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: saw some big names report some positive news in there 214 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: despite some of the bigger layoffs that we're hearing about. 215 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: I think that's helping lighten the penalty for now um. 216 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: And again it's that sentiment, that expectation coming into earning season, 217 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: that low bar makes it a lot easier to hop 218 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: over net interest margins. So pretty good for the banks, 219 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,599 Speaker 1: but then fears about recession. If you get a recession, 220 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: that wouldn't be good for the banks either. So let's 221 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: talk about that. Do you see a recession coming? We've 222 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: card back our view on the recession on how deep 223 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: the recession is. I think we can, you know, sit 224 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: here and go to it for tat on how exactly 225 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: we're going to measure this recession. But the idea that 226 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: we have here it's going to be mild. We do 227 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: think that consumer spending is going to contract, just looking 228 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: at how people have been using their debt and credit lines, 229 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: looking at that draw down of excess savings versus income. 230 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: I do think that we're going to see consumers pull back. 231 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: We will see earnings slow down, probably about a five 232 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: percent decline in large cap EPs growth. But we don't 233 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: think it'll be so dire enough where we'll see something 234 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: like the financial crisis, or we'll see anything, if anything, 235 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: nothing close to what we saw when the pandemic first hit. Okay, 236 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: well that's that's the case at the moment. But we 237 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: look at what happened, you know, the deletion of depletion 238 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: of those COVID, theators savings that's gone. We still have 239 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: inventory overhangs. We also have, of course, the jobs market, 240 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: which remains resilient. Um. I mean, where would a really 241 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: really deep recession, a recession come from, ultimately, because all 242 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: the fundamental will seem apart from of course, even inflation 243 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: is coming down. It seemed that perhaps the feed's job 244 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: may well, and I'm saying this controversiy is done, bring 245 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: up a good point. If the FED is done, I 246 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: think what could happen here is if a sentiment really 247 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: grabs hold. Right now, a lot of people are eyes 248 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: sharp on labor data, on watching wages, and that's been 249 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: somewhat of the lynch pin here. If we see some 250 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: sort of fear um that investors are so excuse me, 251 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: that consumers are suddenly feeling that weight I don't have 252 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: as much income coming in the door, or things could 253 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: get really rough and they contract their spending suddenly. I 254 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: think that's going to snowball effect into corporates who already 255 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: you're seeing some corporate belt tightening. If that really starts 256 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: to squeeze, that cycle can feed upon itself and there 257 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: you can see an aggressive contraction. But what we've seen 258 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: is really peanuts compared to what would be needed to 259 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: get the unemployment rate up to four and a half percent. 260 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: And it seems that company still want to keep their 261 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: employees because they don't think they can get them back 262 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: once you start to see growth coming back. So my 263 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: question is, if the job market doesn't crack, could we 264 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: see the Fed stay in hiking mode for much of 265 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: this year and then stay there for much longer. You know, 266 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: we would agree with that. Really, to get unemployment at 267 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: a high level or what we expect to be a 268 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: low four percent this year, we have to see, um, 269 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: some weakening somewhere. Something has to crack, like you said, 270 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: But what's particular about this, what's going on right now 271 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: is you're not seeing that as much. Um So, if 272 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: the FED stays on its path unlike which consensus expects 273 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: cut starting in the summer, I think that's going to 274 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: get pushed back and that could be a little rough 275 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: for equities as well. 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