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Speaker 1: And welcome to Monday's edition a Big Blue Kickoff live

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. He's Paul Latino, I'm Lance Beto.

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Speaker 1: Good to be with you for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Wild Card Weekend. In the books, we're gonna recap all

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Speaker 1: four games. Were also gonna talk about some common themes,

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Speaker 1: points about the offensive line and so forth, takeaways that

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Speaker 1: the Giants can utilize as they get set to make

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Speaker 1: changes to this roster in the offseason. Plus we'll get

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Speaker 1: to your phone calls obviously at two zero one four

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Speaker 1: five one three. So let's start with what was a

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Speaker 1: wild wild Card weekend group of games, and before we

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Speaker 1: get into the nuts of the bolts about the contest,

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Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest takeaways Paul and you

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Speaker 1: and I were doing some mathematics before the show was

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Speaker 1: it was no surprise that the four teams that won

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Speaker 1: All to Me won the battle in the trenches. Whether

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Speaker 1: it be from an offensive line standpoint or whether it

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Speaker 1: be for a defensive line standpoint. You look at what

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Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts did to Deshaun Watson. Their ability to

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Speaker 1: pound the football gave Andrew Luck what seemed to be

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Speaker 1: a year and a Sunday to throw the ball. Dallas Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: I thought, did the same. They didn't necessarily get an

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Speaker 1: They also ran the ball effectively with Zeke and then

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Speaker 1: in the games on Sunday, the Chargers got after Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Joey Bosa, Melvin Ingram all over the place. They didn't

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Speaker 1: run the ball crazy, the Chargers, but Philip Rivers certainly

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Speaker 1: had an opportunity to survey the field enough to build

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Speaker 1: a lead and close out the contest. And then the

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Speaker 1: job the Eagles did, Jason Peters completely neutralized Khalil Mack,

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Speaker 1: who was one of the most intimidating defensive lineman the

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Speaker 1: entire season. So there's a huge trend across the board

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Speaker 1: right there. Well, no surprise, something we've been preaching for

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Speaker 1: a very very long time. And just to give you

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Speaker 1: a couple of numbers here over the course of the

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Speaker 1: four wild card games, we did some totals. Losing teams

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Speaker 1: through the ball a hundred and thirty one times, took

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Speaker 1: six times. So if you want to call them disruptive plays,

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Speaker 1: between the hits and the sacks, that's thirty nine in

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Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty one attempts. Of course, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: count the fact that the sacks are actually dropped back.

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Speaker 1: So you could call drop backs a part, right, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not part of the attempt total. The attempt total

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Speaker 1: Winning teams a hundred and seven passing attempts, three quarterbacks sacked,

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Speaker 1: one quarterback hits, so twenty four disruptive plays hundred and

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Speaker 1: when teams are in front, they're gonna run the ball.

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Speaker 1: More so, the fact that winning teams ran in a

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Speaker 1: get that will push that aside. It does, of course,

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Speaker 1: go to the overall balance of what teams tried to do.

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Speaker 1: Um I did not calculate when the score was was

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Speaker 1: But you can't ignore the fact about the sacks and

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Speaker 1: you must always prioritize the trenches, and anybody who thinks otherwise,

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Speaker 1: you know, going out and getting a running quarterback is

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Speaker 1: a wet band aid. Okay, wet band aids don't heal

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Speaker 1: especially when you get to the postseason when the best

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Speaker 1: And you could also argue running quarterbacks tend to take

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Speaker 1: They still gave up all of those sacks last season,

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Speaker 1: So that's another route that you can go to address

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Speaker 1: two guys who are veterans. Stability. That's the big theme. Paul.

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Speaker 1: other thing that I want to point out, Paul, in

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Speaker 1: have strong defensive lines? Yes, they clearly have the personnel,

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Speaker 1: I think that's also why the cults, which is the

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Speaker 1: perfect example of what you're laying out, they got to

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Speaker 1: And then they also remember they also had Matt Slawson

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Speaker 1: Over the last few seasons, they've prioritized the offensive line

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Speaker 1: understanding that it's got to start there. He will continue

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Speaker 1: be here, and they just have to find the right

430
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Speaker 1: contractual mechanism to make that happen. So the odds of

431
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Speaker 1: Eli not being here are very, very, very long to

432
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Speaker 1: begin with. So it's it's a pointless conversation. We were

433
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Speaker 1: all wrong about our backup quarterback last year, and we're

434
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Speaker 1: saying he's definitely gonna be here, and he's the hera apparent.

435
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to put in the past, gentleman,

436
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Speaker 1: and m you know, until it's done, it's not done.

437
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,679
Speaker 1: I understand that, and I don't think it's Joe. I

438
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: don't think you're crazy to think that he may look

439
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Speaker 1: at what the free agent market is offering. But but

440
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Speaker 1: I think that once again, if you're Nick Foles and

441
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Speaker 1: based on the fact that you've had a great deal

442
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Speaker 1: of success in Philadelphia and the fact that now Winz

443
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 1: is somewhat of an injury question mark, I don't know

444
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Speaker 1: if the Eagle is gonna be so quick to let

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Speaker 1: him walk. That's my point. I think the Eagle is

446
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Speaker 1: gonna have a serious competition with him, So so we

447
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: don't even know if he'll hit the free agent market.

448
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: They can't afford to keep them both. But I just

449
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: told you, But they afforded. But Joe hold on, Joe,

450
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Speaker 1: Joe hold on, They afforded both of them. This passed

451
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Speaker 1: off season, they resigned that fols what's underneath the two

452
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Speaker 1: year contract already? Uh? Nick, and he stayed there and

453
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Speaker 1: when he understand Yeah, so so they can't. So if

454
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Speaker 1: they did it last off season and they go to

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Speaker 1: Nick falls and Nick, do you want to stay? We

456
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Speaker 1: want you back. These are the parameters. Will give you

457
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Speaker 1: some incentives if you can become the starter. He got

458
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Speaker 1: to the plaffs. Who's to say that he would turn

459
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Speaker 1: down something? So I'm not that's that, but but but

460
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Speaker 1: his big money would be on the on the market.

461
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Speaker 1: But but you're also well, but you're a million is

462
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Speaker 1: is that the very least that he should be getting.

463
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 1: He's not making anything nearer that. No, he's not making

464
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Speaker 1: that now because he wasn't coming into the season as

465
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Speaker 1: a starter for sixteen leaves. But you're also but but

466
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Speaker 1: but Joe, Joe, you're also looking at this. Joe, Joe,

467
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: you're looking at this. I would really like to keep

468
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Speaker 1: Ely and have a young quarterback. Okay, that's probably gonna happen, Joe, Joe,

469
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 1: that's probably gonna happen. Have a great day. That's probably

470
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Speaker 1: gonna happen. Don't you too, YouTube, don't stress out, Joe.

471
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Speaker 1: That's an all likelihood. What's gonna happen. I mean, the

472
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Speaker 1: odds of it not happening are a million to one.

473
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Speaker 1: Every time people look at free agents, they're always looking

474
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Speaker 1: at it through the lens of the team. Nobody ever

475
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: looks at it through the lens of the player. And

476
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Speaker 1: that's why I want and I'm not I understand what

477
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Speaker 1: Joe is hearing in the speculation in Philadelphia, whatever it

478
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Speaker 1: would be. But when you say Folds can get twenty

479
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Speaker 1: million dollars on the open market, yeah, probably somebody would

480
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Speaker 1: be willing to do that. Do we know that Folds

481
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Speaker 1: wants to leave Philadelphia? Do we know that he says

482
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Speaker 1: to himself at this point in his career, and Folds

483
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: has been around the block, He's been a few teams,

484
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Speaker 1: he may say to himself, I'm comfortable in Philadelphia. Paul.

485
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Speaker 1: I am a product of a strong stem that I

486
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Speaker 1: have familiarity with going back to my days in Kansas City.

487
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Speaker 1: As I mentioned, Folds was with Matt Naggy and Doug

488
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Speaker 1: Peterson in Kansas City. That's why Peterson brought him to

489
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Speaker 1: Philadelphia because he said, I want to have a veteran

490
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Speaker 1: quarterback when the event Wentz gets hurt, Paul knows the system.

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Speaker 1: It's the same philosophy, by the way, that Pat Shermer

492
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Speaker 1: adopted when he said the reason why Alex Tanny was

493
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Speaker 1: the backup for the majority of the season and dressing

494
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: was because he said Tanny could come in and a

495
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Speaker 1: pinch without many reps during the course of the week

496
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Speaker 1: of practice, and he can run this offense, whereas it's

497
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Speaker 1: tough for a rookie to do that. So that was

498
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Speaker 1: the same mindset that Philadelphia had. So I'm not saying

499
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Speaker 1: that Folds is a lock to stay in Philadelphia, but

500
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Speaker 1: I don't think you can completely dismiss the fact that

501
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Speaker 1: he may be comfortable there and he may not want

502
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Speaker 1: to test the market because he may say to himself,

503
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Speaker 1: why ruin a good thing? Where I may continue to

504
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Speaker 1: start if Wentz is not back to full health. And

505
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Speaker 1: he made He also made twenty million dollars this year,

506
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Speaker 1: so it's not like it's not like he's hurting for groceries. Yeah,

507
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Speaker 1: So I think he got to look at it from

508
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Speaker 1: that perspective. Now, Paul In bringing it back to the

509
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: Giants here, is it crazy? Listen, I know where you're

510
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: coming from. And just because Gettleman didn't come out and

511
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent say hey, Eli is our quarterback right now,

512
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Speaker 1: I think he clearly like anything else, it's a fluid

513
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: situation in the NFL. Why make declarations when things can change.

514
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Speaker 1: Not to say that Elie is not coming back, but

515
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Speaker 1: I think there's conversations that are going to continue to

516
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Speaker 1: be had from both sides, from Eli's perspective, from the

517
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Speaker 1: team perspective, and they'll continue to hash that out over

518
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Speaker 1: the upcoming weeks. But at the same time, I don't

519
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Speaker 1: think that it's crazy to think that maybe Gettleman in

520
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Speaker 1: the front office is at least looking at hey, this

521
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: guy potentially could be a free agent. What do we

522
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: think of him? This guy could potentially be a free agent.

523
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Speaker 1: What do we think of him? Even while they're working

524
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Speaker 1: things out with Eli Man. Well, you know, I understand

525
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: the name throwing of folds because of his connection to

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Speaker 1: Pat Shermer in Philadelphia and also Teddy Bridgewater, who had

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Speaker 1: a connection to Shermer. In Minnesota two guys. So those

528
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Speaker 1: those are the two guys who are going to enter

529
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Speaker 1: unrestricted free agency who coach Sherman has already had a

530
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Speaker 1: background with. So so that's the reason why those names

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Speaker 1: are constantly being thrown up in the stories. Okay, there's

532
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: a logical connection there, alright, that's not made up. They

533
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: did work together in previous locations. But again, in my opinion,

534
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: and and I'm giving that to you straight, Gettleman is

535
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Speaker 1: simply doing his due diligence. He's not going to promise

536
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: anybody anything on on his entire roster, and he was

537
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: very clear about that. He was not going to talk

538
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Speaker 1: about any player's status on his entire roster until he

539
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Speaker 1: talked to his possession coaches, which he finally finished that

540
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Speaker 1: on Friday, at least he was supposed to have done,

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Speaker 1: and then he was going to look at his tape

542
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Speaker 1: and then after that he'd be much more free to

543
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: speak about the status of a particular player. But that's

544
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Speaker 1: not now, and he would be doing an injustice to

545
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Speaker 1: the players, to the coaches, and himself if he came

546
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Speaker 1: out a hundred percent and definitively said this is what's

547
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Speaker 1: happening to this particular player on the roster. He was

548
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Speaker 1: simply not going to do that because he's a methodical

549
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: guy who's going to go through the process and do

550
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Speaker 1: his due diligence. Obviously, he's got a very good feeling

551
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: for what he might want to do, but he's gonna

552
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: wait until he dots all the eyes and crosses all

553
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Speaker 1: the teams. That's it. We want to remind you Big

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556
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Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines two zero five

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Speaker 1: one three. Phil is in North Carolina. Phil, Welcome to

558
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: the program. What do you have for us? Yes, Happy

559
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: New Year. So yeah, So I have talked several times

560
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: about my draft philosophy of and uh in terms of

561
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: not picking uh not in favor of picking running backs

562
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: and tight ends and in all these skill positions high

563
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: all the time, UH and taking taking lineman all those

564
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: years that we were picking wide receivers and and even

565
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Speaker 1: I would even put cornerbacks into this uh realm uh

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Speaker 1: and things those temper positions, and the Eagles were taking

567
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Speaker 1: defensive lineman and offensive lineman, and I think we we

568
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: see they we see the result. Uh, you know, it's

569
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Speaker 1: just it's just too hard to find these talented big men,

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00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: and that's got to be the emphasis. So I'm glad

571
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Speaker 1: that we're migrating in that direction. Well, I think you

572
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: also need to take it the consideration, and I completely

573
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: understand your point. Feel but you don't just pick an

574
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman because you're picking high sim me, because other

575
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: playoff teams have been doing it. The guy's got to

576
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 1: match the value of the pick. You gotta feel as

577
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: if we bring in Clenton Nelson, we think legitimately year

578
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: one we're gonna get an instantaneous reward. There may be

579
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: a year where the classes down the group of offensive

580
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: lineman is just not as impressive as previous years. His

581
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: point is, you have to have a general philosophy football,

582
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: one on one if you will, as to what the

583
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: blueprints going to be to build a success team. Of course,

584
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: there are extenuating circumstances and there will be exceptions like

585
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Speaker 1: there were with sa Kwan Barkley. This year. You had

586
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Speaker 1: to draft se Kwan Barkley because that's the guy who's

587
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: got the Hall of Fame jackets sitting in his closet

588
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: waiting to be worn. And I get that, and and

589
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: you know, because honestly, I'm not a big fan of

590
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: taking a running back dot high either, but this guy

591
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: was so so incredibly special. You make an exception every

592
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: once in a while because of the status of where

593
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: your team is and maybe that particular player, and also

594
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: the slot which you're picking out as well, and then

595
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: also what's available. I mean, there are a lot of

596
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Speaker 1: factors that can kind of tweak the blueprint just a

597
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: little bit. Oh yeah, definitely, you know, I agree. And

598
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Speaker 1: you know, it's just been too many years as an

599
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: old Giant fan that you know, we've taken people like

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Speaker 1: you know, going back Tucker Frederickson and and uh and

601
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: and and so forth, and and Ran Dane and and

602
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: u Dvid Wilson, you know, and we just haven't gotten

603
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: enough value of those days. Well. But at the at

604
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Speaker 1: the same time, Phil, and I'll let you continue, what

605
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: I was getting at was at the same time, though

606
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: they drafted Eric Flowers one year, So that's going in

607
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Speaker 1: the direction of your point, going after the big guys

608
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Speaker 1: that it didn't work out. So see, that's what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: is I agree with your philosophy, and I think you

610
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: have to prioritize the trenches. But what I'm saying is

611
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Speaker 1: the player has to be worth taking at that pick.

612
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Speaker 1: You don't just take the player simply because he plays

613
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Speaker 1: the position of importance. The other overriding motto is never

614
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Speaker 1: forced to pack. Yeah, exactly, Never reach on a person

615
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Speaker 1: just because you are enamored by the position ahead, because

616
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Speaker 1: then you have the Eric Flowers and you have the

617
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Speaker 1: William Joseph's Oh you had to go there, there the

618
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Speaker 1: Cedric Jones in the world. Yeah. So okay, so my

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Speaker 1: one one thing, My next thing is and then uh

620
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Speaker 1: listen is you know, there was four plays on defense

621
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Speaker 1: that I felt could have helped us, and the replacement

622
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: players I felt were inferior, and um, and those guys

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Speaker 1: were you know, uh for their value is Devon Carnard.

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Speaker 1: I've talked about Devon Cornard all year, and ameo'cara had

625
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,239
Speaker 1: had a good year back wise, and uh, you know

626
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Speaker 1: Andrew Adams. You know, even though I know he's a

627
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: strong safety, I gotta feel that if you stuck him

628
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Speaker 1: at free safety, he would have been better than what

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Speaker 1: we had. And uh, and then Moss. Moss was the

630
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Speaker 1: other guy. Uh, you know, I we somehow didn't find

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Speaker 1: he had you known't reading him a chance. Basically, I

632
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: felt that Avery Moss had some potential upset. So the

633
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: only thing I could think of is those were those

634
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Speaker 1: guys problem guys in the locker because well, I think

635
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: the replacement guys we got were inferior talent wise. I'll

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Speaker 1: d us each one of those with you. I believe

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Speaker 1: they thought that signing Michael Thomas would be better, all

638
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: better than than than Andrew Adams because both of them

639
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: were strong safety types who were both special teams guys.

640
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Speaker 1: And I think that they if they really wanted to

641
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Speaker 1: keep Andrew Adams my hunches, they probably wouldn't have signed

642
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Speaker 1: Michael Thomas. But they wanted Thomas especially because he was

643
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: mostly a great locker room guy and and they wanted

644
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: upgrade there, and so I think that was the tradeoff.

645
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna compare Andrew Adams to Michael Thomas, uh,

646
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: that's you know, you can argue that one all you want,

647
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: but I think Michael Thomas was probably a better pick there. Um.

648
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: In terms of Devon Kannard, Devon Canard was up for

649
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: unrestricted free agency. If you look at his snap availability

650
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: for the Giants and injury played career his entire time here.

651
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: For some strange reason, he played over the snaps. I

652
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: think with Detroit this season, suddenly he became healthy. But

653
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: here's the problem. If you're making a fine ancial commitment

654
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: to a guy for his second contract, and to this

655
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: point in time when you're trying to do the deal,

656
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: he has not shown an ability to stay on the field.

657
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: You can't pay him that kind of money. You allow

658
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: somebody else to open up their vaults and say, hey,

659
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: good luck if he can play all the snaps for

660
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: you enjoy. So yeah, that's a prudent and smart decision.

661
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: The other problem is with a Cora or Kara. If

662
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: you go back and you watch the tapes of the Lions,

663
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: he was getting his sacks and his quarterback kids playing

664
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: down with his hand in the dirt in a four

665
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: three formation. With the Giants, they were standing him up

666
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: a bunch during the training camp. They were saying, Okay,

667
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna be an outside linebacker for us, and you're

668
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: not gonna be in the dirt very much. Well, guess what,

669
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: that's not his best usage. So given bet your scheme,

670
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: they thought they were better off not holding onto a

671
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: player who was a better prototype four three defensive end.

672
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: I can't argue that I was a big war we

673
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: on require fan. I wish they had kept him. I

674
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: wish he had been playing a down four three defensive end,

675
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: but it's not's not the scheme that bets you wanted

676
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: to run. So because he didn't fit the scheme well,

677
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: they allowed him to go. And so as far as Moss,

678
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: I think Moss had a lot of raw tools. I

679
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: think that as you watched him in training camp, he

680
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: tended to go back to the same move time after

681
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: time after time. And in the NFL, you have to

682
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: develop a plethora of moves if you're going to crack

683
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: the lineup, because if you only have one, chances are

684
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: they've seen it on tape and they will neutralize you.

685
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: I think what must have happened with Moscars. I liked him.

686
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: I thought he had a lot of potential, and I

687
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: thought he had tools that could be developed. He must

688
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: not have developed the plethora of moves that they thought

689
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: he needed at this level, and that's probably why he

690
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 1: did not get activated. And I'm guessing on that because

691
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: I've talked to him on several times during the season,

692
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: and I told him, I'm not sure why you're not

693
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: coming up, but uh, it's nice that they still have

694
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: you around. Bottom line was they must not have seen

695
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: what they needed to see because he's been on the

696
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: practice squad after not making THEFT. I hope that explains

697
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: it for you. Oh yeah, no, that's good insight. Um,

698
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: And I guess I kind of take the field sometimes

699
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: you can. Player may not always fit the scheme exactly,

700
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: but if a player is counted, you gotta, you know,

701
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: you gotta sometimes find a way to get him on

702
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: the field. So that would be my only comment on understood.

703
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: And but I can I can see you know, I

704
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: can see you can you can make the injury current issue.

705
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: So so I tend to agree with you on that.

706
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: But good, thanks guys for talking. I appreciate it. You

707
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: can appreciate the phone call. Dennard. During his first few

708
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: seasons with the Giants fourteen and fifteen, he played twelve

709
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: games in nine games respectively. Then he find really played

710
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: all sixteen in two thousand sixteen, and then he played

711
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: fifteen and two thousand seventeen, so he started to show

712
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: that he could stay on the field in his last

713
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: two years of his rookie contract. But yes, being plagued

714
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: by injuries was something that held him back. And then

715
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: here's the other thing that we didn't bring up that

716
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: you have to take it the consideration to the last

717
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: caller's point. Even though you can argue they were on

718
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: the Giants roster and you would have liked to have

719
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: seen them be kept around, but they were under Jerry Reese,

720
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: and they were under Ben McAdoo and under Steve Spagnolo.

721
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: So now Pat Shermer comes in, he has his opinion

722
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: of these players. James Betcher comes in, he has his

723
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: opinion of these players. Dave Gettleman comes in, he has

724
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: his opinion of these players. You now have three different

725
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: voices evaluating players that were not here during their previous

726
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: tenures with the Giants. And they don't necessarily share the

727
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: same philosophies and ideas as the previous coaching staff in

728
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: previous and office members, So you have to take that

729
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: into consideration. If it's a carry over the same coaching staff,

730
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: then maybe I think you wonder, well, why did you

731
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: keep them around for those four or five years, and

732
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: I'll decide to get rid of them, then I think

733
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: perhaps that's a fair question when you have new voices

734
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: making decisions. To me, it's understandable that they don't necessarily

735
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: look at those players the same way as the previous people. Well,

736
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: that's also part of the equation. But now you look

737
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: at Canard and he played over eight seven percent of

738
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: the snaps for the lines this year. His durability was

739
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: not an issue at all. He was able to give

740
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: them a healthy amount. By the way, Canard and an

741
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: Ocquara both guys I like very much, and and it

742
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: has to be said, their production in the seven the

743
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: second half of the season went way down. They started

744
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: very well and in the last eight games, if you'll

745
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: look at their their stat totals, they did take a

746
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: significant drop off both players, unfortunately for them, because I

747
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: do like both guys um but and also understand this

748
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: too more so for can are not for a Kara corn,

749
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: I've got a healthy chunk of change to go to

750
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: Detroit and the Giants did not have a ton of

751
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: salary cap room. So when you combine the kind of

752
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: number he got to go to the bank with and

753
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: his lack of durability in their minds, that doesn't bode

754
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: well for for bringing a guy back. Devon Kannard had

755
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: seven sacks this season. He had five of those seven

756
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: sacks in the first five games of the season. That's

757
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: kind of what I just told you. Two sacks in

758
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: the last eleven, just to put things in perspective, because

759
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: you know what happens, Paul, People look at stat line

760
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: and it doesn't necessarily tell those stories. Well, he and

761
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: Romeo both had I think seven or seven and a half,

762
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: and they were the top two for the lines, right,

763
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: and and what was Romeo's breakdown to have had seven

764
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: and a half sacks They combined for fourteen and a half,

765
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: and and and Aqua's breakdown first half and second half, Well,

766
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: I just went over Canard. Let me bring up now

767
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: Achorus in terms of his sack total and I and

768
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: I know we started out very well and then suddenly

769
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: it started to fall. Okay, So Akuara had five of

770
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: his seven and a half sacks in the first six

771
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: games of the season, and then you take it to consideration,

772
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: he had two and a half sacks in well over

773
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: the second half of the season. So again, I'm not

774
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: trying to diss those guys, but you have to make

775
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: sure you understand exactly what the deal was. They both

776
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: got off to really strong starts, and they didn't necessarily

777
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: carry that over throughout the course of the year, and

778
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: both of the guys were relatively healthy. Now, Okwara, perhaps

779
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: when he first joined the Lions, they started to utilize

780
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: him defenses, didn't see him within this scheme, took advantage

781
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: of it. Then, like anything else you see a guy

782
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: on film, Paul, you tend to pick up his tendencies

783
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: and you can make the necessary adjustments. I'm not saying

784
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: that that was exactly what transpired, but perhaps that's something

785
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: that comes to borrow the way Oka played in over

786
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: seventy two of the Lions defensive snaps this year, again

787
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: handing the dirt four three defensive end. Different scheme. Well,

788
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: there's a reason why. A. The Lions gave Kennard that money.

789
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: They saw him as in every downtime I'm talking about,

790
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: but I'm bringing up said he played a lot of

791
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: snaps too, and then the same thing, they stayed healthy.

792
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: The Lions claimed the Quarra off of waivers. They claimed

793
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: him because they felt like they wanted to use him. Well,

794
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: they saw him in the dual practice sessions during the

795
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: summer when they played the Giants in those common practices

796
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: and they must have said, hey, you know what, we

797
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,959
Speaker 1: really need a four three defensive end. This guy looks

798
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: like he could fit the bill that they're not using

799
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: him that way, but wow, he got cut, we can

800
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: use him that way. Well, it was a Giants reunion

801
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: in Detroit because then Snacks wound up joining the term

802
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: later on in the season. And it doesn't surprise many that,

803
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Matt, Patricia, the coaching staff, the scouting

804
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: department saw the Giants up close and personnel for a

805
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: week during the course of training camps, and not only

806
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: were they monitoring their own players, they were monitoring the

807
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: Giants rosters. And I'm sure that was a big part

808
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: of the conversation. So, you know, those are a variety

809
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: of things that I think you have to look at

810
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: when you evaluate, well, why did a player thrive in

811
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: those other circumstances and with those numbers something that carried

812
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: out over the course of sixteen games, was it something

813
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: that peaked early in the season. So I hope that

814
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: that at least perhaps answered the question with respect to

815
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 1: why the Giants moved on from those players and why

816
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: perhaps they made some noise elsewhere. But there is a

817
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: common theme that I think we've seen in previous years, Paul,

818
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: when players have moved on from the Giants, it is

819
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: very rare in fairness, that you've seen them hang on

820
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: with another team and consistently produced. That is very rare.

821
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: We have not seen that happen more often than not. No,

822
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: not at all. The track record of of the the

823
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: Giants or former Giants, I guess is the proper term.

824
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: The track record of former Giants is that they usually

825
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: have not done very well if they've even hooked up

826
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: with another team, at least with the last decade or so.

827
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: But this subjects, this subject does bring up the bigger

828
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: point here, and Dave Gettleman addressed it in his end

829
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: of the season press conference that one of the other things,

830
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: in addition to the unknown of the quarterback position right

831
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: now and trying to tweak the offensive line, is he

832
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: realized that they do need to address the defense this offseason, Paul,

833
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: whether it be pass rushers, whether it be more depth

834
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 1: in the secondary. I mean, this was a defense that

835
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: was on the field a few times during the course

836
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: of the season, had an opportunity to make a stop

837
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: did not come through. This was also a defense that

838
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: finished tied for thirty in total sacks. This was a

839
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: defense that had trouble getting off the field on third down,

840
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: and in fairness, it was a defense that was being

841
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: tweaked and turned into what James Betcher wanted to showcase,

842
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: which was a completely different scheme. But I think the

843
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: Giants realized this offseason, if there's one area of the

844
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: team that you want to bring in some more beef,

845
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: it goes without saying it's the defensive side of the ball.

846
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman only made a couple of comments in terms

847
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: of the personnel on his roster last week, and it

848
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: was fair to say this because he was not isolating

849
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: any individual players. He simply said, we will always look

850
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,479
Speaker 1: to improve both sides of the line, the trenches, and

851
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: it's clear we got to get more playmakers on defense.

852
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: He felt very comfortable saying that stuff because those things

853
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: were very, very obvious. He did not need any tape

854
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: study to confirm his suspicions. Yeah, I think that clearly

855
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 1: the statistics and by him bringing up also how many

856
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: close games the Giants played, that was one of the

857
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: things he referenced twelve games decided by seven points or less.

858
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: You go four and eight in those games, and number

859
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: of them. As I just referenced, you had your defense

860
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: on the field at the very end, and whether it

861
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: be a game winning field goal, a game tying field goal,

862
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: to overtime, whatever it may be, there were a number

863
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: of circumstances where the defense did not come through. There

864
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: were the two examples in fairness, where you had the

865
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: San Francisco game the defense was on the field late,

866
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: they made them as very stop and then the Tampa

867
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: Bay game where you had the late interception where Jameis

868
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: Winston was trying to march them down the field. So

869
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 1: the defense did make plays, but they needed more from

870
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: that group, and they somehow held on against Houston too

871
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: when the Shawn Watson started to carve him up in

872
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: the second half and it just wasn't enough. But of

873
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: course some of those scores are skewed because of a

874
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: late score as well by the Giants that made it

875
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: closer than maybe what the game kind of felt like.

876
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: But look, it's very fair to look at this team

877
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: and say they were work in progress. They have clearly

878
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: gotten better in most areas and certainly in the cultural

879
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: area that so many people like to use that term culture. Yeah,

880
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: they've gotten a lot better in that regard, and that's

881
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: maybe the biggest one of all, because it's hard to

882
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: get better in everything else if you don't have the

883
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: proper mindset and the winning habits that good teams always show.

884
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: And I think, really, when you look at what Dave

885
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: Gentleman is on, that was the big hurdle that he

886
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: had a clear and I think he's probably I won't

887
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: say probably, it it certainly sounded like the other day

888
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: when he talked to us, he said we turned the

889
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: corner there that that big hurdle has been cleared. Well,

890
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: one of the first things that he brought up, relating

891
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: to what you brought up with respect to people were

892
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: questioning the culture of this team at the tail end

893
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: of last year, Paul. They were also questioning the competitive

894
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: nature of this team. Remember, and as you look at

895
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: if I said, twelve games are decided by seven points

896
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: or less, with the exception of the Eagles game. As

897
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm bringing up the schedule from this past season, being

898
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: really the only true lopsided game that went in favor

899
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: of the Giants opponent, you never really could point to

900
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: a game where you were like, you know what, this

901
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: team checked out in the fourth quarter. Those guys didn't

902
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: look like they wanted to play. I didn't get that

903
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: feel at all throughout this season, and even in the

904
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: Eagles game, you didn't because if you remember, in that

905
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: Eagles game, paul Quan Parkley had one of his best

906
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: performances in that game. He ran why I'm talking about

907
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 1: the first matchup with the Eagles and I'm talking about

908
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: the second one. Coincidentally had a good game in the

909
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: second game, as we but the first game he was

910
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: finding chunks of space here. They had that big fifty

911
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: five yard run off a screenplay where he ran all

912
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: the way from the right side to the left side

913
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: and then back. I mean, he was making constant play.

914
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: So the Giants were fighting in that game. It just

915
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: the Eagles jumped out in front so much and then

916
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: patting out their lead. But you didn't get this sense

917
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: at all that this team checked out at any point.

918
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: Is they simply didn't have enough of good players. That's it,

919
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with saying that. The fact that

920
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: I got to get more and they've got an off

921
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: season to do it, and that's exactly what Dan Gettlman

922
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: is set out to do this offseason. Because you know

923
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: everybody on your roster is not going to stay fully healthy.

924
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: You have to prepare for injuries to come up. Let's

925
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: head back to the phone lines. Two zero one four

926
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: five one three. Russell is in Missouri. Russell, welcome to

927
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: Big Blue Kick Off Live. What do you have for us?

928
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 1: It was going on business game yesterday. All I kept

929
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: saying is songs. This has not been a good year

930
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: to kick this. It has not been a good year

931
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: to kick this. There's a couple of things that went

932
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: on to the course. Um I watched that interview. I

933
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: said to myself, this is second year the giants that

934
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. I know you're about to hate me,

935
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: and what I'm saying is, but it's Thompson Man to

936
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: go second year. We can't blame bad government. We can't

937
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: bring pat s. The only person who still love is

938
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: Eli Man. He doesn't have anymore now. I know what

939
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: he said. He played good at the end of the year,

940
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: but that's because of Sak Barkley. Take Kwon Barkley. Is

941
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: that good? But when it comes if you take se

942
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: Barkley and old they'll Beckham out, you know, hasn't been

943
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: playing good. It's the truth. Well, but in fairness, though, Russell,

944
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: if you take away say Kwan Barkley and Oldell Beckham

945
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: from most quarterbacks, you show me quarterbacks that are gonna

946
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: be able to put up unbelievable numbers and you're not

947
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: removing his top two weapons. If you take away the

948
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: top two weapons of any quarterback, I think you canna

949
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: put that quarterback into precarious spot. See I guess, I

950
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: guess my biggest problem with the logic, and I think

951
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: it's very flawed the one that you present. And I

952
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: still can't imagine why people continue to to to throw

953
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: this out there. If you fix your offensive line, okay,

954
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: and you've got the running game and that that you've

955
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: got would say Kwan Barkley, and you've got the potential

956
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: weapons on the outside and the passing game, isn't that

957
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: really good news? Then? For whoever the next quarterback is

958
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: gonna be another year or two down the road, because

959
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: would you rather be a rookie quarterbike like Sam Donald

960
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: that does not have the plethora of weapons. The Jets

961
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: don't have a plethora of weapons on the outside their

962
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: offensive line is not very good and their running game

963
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: is not spectacular, So exactly what good did that do?

964
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: Sam Donald? You see? I mean, it just makes absolutely

965
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: no sense. You build the line, you got the running back,

966
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: you got the skill position guys on the outside, So

967
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense to address that because the next

968
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: QB is gonna be the beneficiary of that stuff. I mean, how,

969
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: how how is this hard? How is this hard? I

970
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: don't get it, That's what I'm saying. You get him

971
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: in another hero or two, right, Well you could you

972
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: You could get one in nineteen and he's gonna sit

973
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: behind Eli and learn which is really which is a

974
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: great idea, I mean, or they could also bring in

975
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: a free agent too. I wouldn't necessarily rule that out.

976
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: And he could be presented a situation where you know,

977
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: you serve as the backup this year and then perhaps

978
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: you have an opportunity to become the start of the

979
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: following year. I would not rule that out as well. Yeah, yeah,

980
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 1: that's all right, And I think Russell and I listen,

981
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: you're entitled to your opinion, and I'm not saying that

982
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: I disagree that you have to start thinking about the

983
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: future quarterback. I mean Eli's no youngster, and Eli is

984
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: not playing for another decade. Here, you don't have that luxury,

985
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: and you know it's spotty, Russell, and I don't want

986
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: to cut your shot up, but I want to mention

987
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: this too. Everybody who who gets on my case for

988
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: saying that that Eli is is still the guy, they

989
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: think automatically that I think Eli is the guy in Okay.

990
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: I don't think Eli Manning has ten years left to

991
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: his career. I'm not even sure that he's got more

992
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: than one. He may only have two thousand nineteen. His

993
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: contract is up. There may not be another contract for him,

994
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: but they're also maybe two thousand twenty. There may be well,

995
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: there may or may not be. I'm I'm willing to

996
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: say that I don't know that. I'm telling you I

997
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: think he's got a nineteen left in his in his body.

998
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: There's no doubt in my mind he's got nineteen left

999
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: in his body. I don't know if he's got twenty

1000
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: or twenty one left. And anybody who does tell you

1001
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: that is a fortune teller because they don't have the facts.

1002
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: We don't we don't have the evidence. You I understand what?

1003
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Flack Flacco. If he doesn't demand out of there,

1004
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: I'd be very surprised after the way they treated him.

1005
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: But also, they drafted a quarterback in the first round

1006
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: in Lamar Jackson, So when they made that investment, I

1007
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: think the writing was on the wall that they were

1008
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: eventually going to move on to him. I don't think

1009
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: that's necessarily surprised you. Let's not be mistaken here. The

1010
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: Giants have not taken a quarterback in the first round

1011
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: since Eli Manning has been here. In the last few years,

1012
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: Davis Webb was a mid round pick that Kylo Letto

1013
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: was a mid round pick. So it's one thing to

1014
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: say if David's Webb and Kyler Letta were a first

1015
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: round pick, and you're like, well, what's going on here?

1016
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: When are they eventually going to let him flap his wings?

1017
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: I get that argument. Mid round picks, there's no guarantee

1018
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: that those guys are automatically gonna be successors he I

1019
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: tried to do. So I'm just I'm just I'm like, hey,

1020
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: this year was not well, Russell. I listen, I disagree

1021
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: with you about Eli Manning not having a good year.

1022
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: Was he the top quarterback in the NFL? No, I

1023
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: think those statistically had a pretty good year, and I

1024
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: think he got to bring up the fact that he

1025
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: had his highest completion percentage and people are gonna say, well,

1026
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: he was checked down. Charlie. I completely disagree with you

1027
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: there because I think he made some of the necessary

1028
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: throws down the field, as we saw late in the season,

1029
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: and at twenty one touchdowns and eleven interceptions, I think

1030
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: you'll sign up for that and you figure your team

1031
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: is gonna be competitive, which they were. But let's not

1032
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: overlook the fact that Russ as Paul and I were

1033
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: talking about earlier. The defense has to improve. Okay, you

1034
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: don't win games just with your quarterback. Whether Elie's good, bad,

1035
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: or indifferent. You don't win games just because your quarterback.

1036
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: We just went over the four playoff teams that one

1037
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: this weekend. It wasn't just because Andrew Luck put on

1038
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: a clinic. It was because of what that Colts defensive

1039
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: front died Tod Deshaun Watson. It wasn't Dak Prescott making

1040
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: play Zeke the last time I checked ran the ball,

1041
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: the defense got pressure on Russell Wilson. Nick Foles was

1042
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: Nick Foles put it on an offensive clinic. The Eagles

1043
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: defensive front put some pressure on Mitchell Drobiski. They completely

1044
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: took away Jordan Howard and Terricohen And then you look

1045
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: at what the Chargers defense did to Lamar Jackson. What

1046
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: did that have to do with any of the four

1047
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: starting quarterbacks. I'm just saying, what I don't look that

1048
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: sit thing is man women, But you're Ricky dump That's

1049
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: how I got it. And then last person that's on

1050
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: this team is your quarterback. He's the one making twenty

1051
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: three million that hill I have a goals. He's making

1052
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: the money. So I'm like, okay, what are you doing?

1053
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: And what I'm saying he can't throw the balls down

1054
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: the old old back and I'm like, what are we

1055
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: doing at him? He too an interception and well he

1056
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: could have to stop. He was like, Eli, what are

1057
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: we doing? That's what you know from the quarterback. Well,

1058
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: I think I think part of the reason, thank you

1059
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: for the thing, because we're running out of time. Part

1060
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: of the part of the thing that you've got to

1061
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: take into account is that they had a dysfunctional offensive line,

1062
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: three versions of it in the first eight games of

1063
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: the year. And you know, I don't think it's fair

1064
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: to Joe X if he was the quarterback, to say that, oh, okay,

1065
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: team was one and seven in the first half of

1066
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: the year. Offense did not do very well and it's

1067
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: all on him. No no, no, no, no, no, no,

1068
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: no no no. When Joe X, whoever that quarterback is,

1069
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: had a functional offensive line, over the last eight games

1070
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: of the season, the offense average nearly thirty points a game.

1071
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: That's much more of what you can expect in two

1072
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen if there is a functional offensive line in

1073
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: front of quarterback Joe X. Let's not make this personal

1074
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: about Eli Manning. This is about Joe X playing quarterback.

1075
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 1: If he's got a functional offensive line, he's averaging about

1076
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: thirty points a game. I think I'd sign up for

1077
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: that for sixteen games in two thousand nineteen, at least

1078
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: I know I would. And maybe that's not enough for

1079
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: some of you folks out there, but I can't help that.

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00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,919
Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines. We got Neil

1081
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: in New York. Neil, welcome to the Big Look Kickoff Life,

1082
00:54:48,320 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: What's on your Mind? Defense the game for New York Giants,

1083
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 1: and helped or list about where the defense actually slammed

1084
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: there on somebody we can regain with thirteen points. Well,

1085
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: I think I think, well, Neil, I think you got

1086
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: to go back to the two thousand sixteen season. That

1087
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: would be my answer. When the defense was extremely respectable,

1088
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: the offense wasn't necessarily put it on clinic after clinic,

1089
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: and you did have a number of games where the

1090
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: defense was on the field, the defense made the stop

1091
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: and they were able to steal some victories. So Eli

1092
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: had probably the best one. Eli had six fourth quarter

1093
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: or overtime game winning drives, and in the number of

1094
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: those cases, there was a fraction of the time left

1095
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: because the Giants didn't have a running game and a

1096
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: good for minute offense, and so the defense had to

1097
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 1: finish up the job for him. And and obviously you

1098
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: can't just have a lopsided team where you expect your

1099
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: quarterback to be the miracle worker. And that's why we

1100
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: just laid out all the four playoff teams. That one

1101
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: they've got balanced. It's not a coincidence. I mean, I'm

1102
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: not an era I apologist. I love the guy, but

1103
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: I hear all awards and the fours, but he is

1104
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: down the list. And what needs to be fixed on

1105
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: this team and every I think, but we can't rush

1106
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: your pass or ever. I mean, come on, was that

1107
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: a very weak pass rush all season long? And that

1108
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: is really why we beat Tom Brady twice? He kept

1109
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: knocking him down. You don't knock anybody down. Yeah, then

1110
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman has said as much, got to improve the

1111
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: pass rush tied. You know that if you're not controlling

1112
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: the trenches, and obviously the trenches involved two things on defense,

1113
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: it does involve stuff in the run first, which everybody

1114
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: always says, you gotta make the other guy one dimensional. Well, okay,

1115
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: here's the problem. What if you stuff to run and

1116
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: you make them one dimensional to throw the ball, but

1117
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: then you can't get to the quarterback. That doesn't help

1118
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: you much. Either have to. But all these we can't get.

1119
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 1: I mean, how many times have we seen a quarterback

1120
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: get seven seconds? You know, within the last minute of

1121
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: the game. The survey with Feld look around the secondary

1122
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: is trying to cover somebody. But you know, we lost

1123
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: a lot of games like through the attrition of like

1124
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: we can't cover all day. Do you remember that? Do

1125
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: you remember that game against Dallas? I think it was

1126
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: three or four years ago. Where Romo had eight seconds

1127
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: at Medlife Stadium. He had eight seconds I believe is

1128
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: what they clocked it on television as he led the

1129
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: Cowboys to a come from behind victory. I mean, he

1130
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: literally could have had breakfast, lunch, dinner, had a midnight snack,

1131
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: all right, and then maybe he ordered out for his

1132
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: next morning's breakfast before anybody even got closed on that

1133
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: game was right around Thanksgiving you through the Den Bryant

1134
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,479
Speaker 1: in the back of the hand zone, I mean, and

1135
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: and unfortunately that's been too typical of the Giants pass

1136
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: rush over the course of the last few years. Well,

1137
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: we just need to, I mean, the guy at least

1138
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: make somebody uncomfortable back there when it's crunch time. Yeah,

1139
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 1: the days of touch straight Actually what we know. It

1140
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: was the best offense in the division as far as

1141
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: points scored, that is true. But at the same time,

1142
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: the defense gave up the most points, so part of

1143
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: it and that's where we're getting at. Yeah, Yeah, it's

1144
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: funny there, Eli lad offense scored more points than the

1145
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: Cowboys offense, the Eagles offense, both playoff teams, and of

1146
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: course the Redskins. Not that there anything to write home

1147
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: about either. But and yet suddenly there are so many

1148
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: people who want to blame the quarterback. Yeah, I figure

1149
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: that one out. But thanks for the call, appreciated care,

1150
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: thanks for tuning into the program. I think you gotta

1151
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: look at this season as a whole, and you can't

1152
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: look at it necessarily by just groupings of four games.

1153
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: Were there stretches where ELI and the offense struggled. Absolutely,

1154
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: I would not disagree with anybody for saying that. Were

1155
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: there also stretches when the offensive line produced where they

1156
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: were able to then move the football put points on

1157
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: the board. Yes, So that's what Dave Gettleman needs to

1158
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: say to himself, which is why he's going through the

1159
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: evaluation process. He needs to say to himself, Paul, when

1160
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 1: ELI was given the ideal circumstances, is that good enough?

1161
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: Is that two hour standard where we think we could

1162
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,439
Speaker 1: continue to produce? Let me ask you this, if over

1163
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: the second half of the season the offense average nearly

1164
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: thirty points a game and in half of those games

1165
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: he didn't have Oldell Beckham Jr. Well they put up yeah,

1166
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: and and you could say that he didn't have Oldell

1167
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. In the final two games of the season

1168
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: against two playoff teams, the Colts and the Cowboys, and

1169
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: they didn't have too much problems putting points on the board.

1170
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: They scored twenty seven against Indianapolis and then they put

1171
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: up thirty five against the Dallas Cowboys. Now at the

1172
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: same time, they go up against Tennessee, which was a

1173
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: borderline playoff team, and then scored nothing. So that was

1174
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: and that was the one game aberration in the second

1175
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,439
Speaker 1: half of the season where they just had nothing. Yeah,

1176
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: Chicago against a really good defense, they put up thirty

1177
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: that was in overtime. And then the Redskins were dismantled

1178
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: by injuries. I don't know how much stock it stuff

1179
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: did you want to put into that game, but they

1180
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: put up forty in that game. So the second half

1181
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: results were by far night and day compared to what

1182
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: the first half was. And that was by the time

1183
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: the offensive line started to settle in, they made their

1184
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: necessary changes. You were in games, just couldn't finished those games.

1185
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: The offense. Part of that is the defense. And final thought,

1186
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: I'd go as far as to say there's not one

1187
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: playoff team right now that's alive in the NFL postseason

1188
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: that would not take what the Giants put up offensively

1189
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: in the final two months of the season. From a

1190
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: production standpoint, yeah, I think they would be content with that.

1191
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: It's the defense though, that they wouldn't necessary. If you're

1192
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: gonna seven points or points whatever, it was nearly thirty

1193
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: a game and you said to any of the playoff

1194
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: teams right now, that's what we're gonna give you, Chances

1195
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: are they probably signed up for it. Absolutely consistency. That's

1196
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: what separates the men from the boys in the NFL,

1197
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 1: and that's where the Giants want. Ahead towards two zero

1198
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,480
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