WEBVTT - The Poetic Passing of the Pope 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:07.200 Hey, there're folks in this episode. He lived eighty eight years, 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:10.879 but Pope France has saved his best for last. And 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:13.640 with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:16.440 When I say robes best for last. When I say last, 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:18.319 I mean the last two and a half months of 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:22.600 his life that we watched in a very intimate way 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:24.959 and watched it very closely day and day out. And 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:26.800 I guess you could say Robes in two and a 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:28.280 half months of his life. The last two and a 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:34.160 half months. Things went from dire to miraculous, to triumphant 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.760 to shocking, but every step of the way there was 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:39.760 an inspiration he gave us. In the last two and 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:40.400 a half months. 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:41.400 It's so true. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:45.360 We were just reflecting doing the morning run every morning. 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.560 We were giving those constant updates, and we were holding 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.960 our breath each morning when we woke up to see 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:54.000 what the latest was with the Pope. So we were 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:57.000 rooting as the world was for him and in awe 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.840 of his ability to recover from what he was battling 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.400 double pneumonia at the age of eighty eight. I mean 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.000 that is significant. He nearly died twice and then he 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:09.480 gets out of the hospital, and his doctors say, rest, 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:15.840 take care of yourself, don't expose yourself to other people, crowds, children. 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.320 And you know what the Pope did. He said, Nah, 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:21.839 I'm gonna do what I love. I'm going to serve, 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:26.160 and in doing so, I don't I know this might 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.920 I know this is true. He taught us how to 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:32.320 live by how he died in these last few months. 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:34.280 And it should be said, folks, you're listening to two 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.400 folks here. Who's one grew up Catholic. But I'm not 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.000 gonna put words in your mouth. I think you say this. 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.959 You call yourself a I call myself a recovering Catholic. 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.160 Yes, okay, put words in your mouth. And I am 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.640 a black man from the South who grew up going 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:51.560 to the Church of Christ. Right, So I no Catholic 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.960 anything in my lane. But it doesn't matter if you're religious, 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.720 if you're Catholic, if you're Christian, if you're whatever. There's 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.520 a lesson he taught everybody, it felt like, and part 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:02.360 of that was that there seemed to be a separation 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:08.160 between the Pope as a religious figure and Frances as 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.880 a man. For some reason, because he does feel like 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.200 the Pope whoever it is, feels like a larger than 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.840 life character. He was really humanized the past two and 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:17.960 a half months by a lot of what he did, 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:18.720 you know. 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.240 And I totally agree with what you're saying because and 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:24.920 we don't and I don't mean to minimize any impact 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:28.440 he had on so many marginalized communities while he was 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:32.880 at his best, at his strongest, perhaps physically, these strides 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:36.560 he made towards the LGBTQ plus communities, the even women 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:41.520 within the Catholic Church. He was open and welcoming to 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.680 people in a way we hadn't necessarily seen. However, I 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.560 just feel like in these last few months, we did 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:51.079 see this man who struggled just like every other human 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:54.320 being on the planet, anyone who has known pain, anyone 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:57.040 who has known chronic disease, anyone who has feared that 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.000 they were going to die, that they were that weak 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:00.440 that they couldn't get up in the morning. 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.440 He was that to all of us. 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.560 And he actually talked about how he felt closer more 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:10.280 empathetic to anyone who was suffering because of the physical 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.000 suffering he was going through in these past two months, 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.839 and it just it humanized him. He was like all 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:20.000 of us and to see him push through and fight 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.480 to live, to serve, not for his own personal interests, 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.720 but to continue to serve. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.560 Even if you the lessons he taught us about death 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:31.360 than what we all have to go through will go 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:35.640 through so many of us still, even if that's a 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:39.640 long way off. We've had grandparents, we've had family members 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.960 that we have watched kind of physically deteriorate in a 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.360 lot of ways and don't come back. Folks don't check 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:47.520 into the hospital at eighty eight with double pneumonia and 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.000 check out. It's almost never, I just don't. So this 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.000 was and for us this morning, and folks don't know 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:58.760 we do put together daily newscast podcast morning run. So 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.000 when he first went to the hospital February fourteenth, every 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:03.840 day for the next thirty eight days we gave an 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.360 update on how the prope was doing. It was the 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.000 first thing every morning when we woke up, what's going 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.240 on with the pope. And most of the time there 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:15.360 were eight nine word statements from the Vatican only saying 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.640 he slept well, he got some food, holl at you tomorrow, 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.360 and then on the rare days they did fourteen words. 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.839 It was huge, big mornings. Wow, we got fourteen words 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:28.560 from the Vatican. But there were times we looked when 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.040 they said double pneumonia. And that was early because he 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.839 went in for bronchitis, right, Yes, it was very soon 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.440 after they said double pneumonia. We didn't think, Okay, wow, 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:38.720 this is this is over. 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.240 Momentum is a hard thing to turn around, and especially 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.760 when you're eighty eight years old and you are sliding 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.760 into death, which is what it absolutely appeared to be happening. 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.480 That Yes, we might have only gotten eight or nine words, 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.080 but you could read between the lines that this was 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.160 not going well for the pope. So yes, we were 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.919 all holding I think people around the world were collectively 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.880 holding their breath, but expecting that it was his time. 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:04.240 And so how interesting that he pushed through that pain, 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.320 He fought to live, His nurse fought for him when 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.679 doctors had given up. So you saw this ground swell 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.560 of support that came from the outside but also from 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.000 within him, and you thought, he's going to do something 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.640 like this is important. He lived to see another day 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:24.520 because of and then to see him get through the 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:29.240 holiest week in the Catholic calendar, to actually get out 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:32.880 and mingle and be with the people who he loved, 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:37.800 the people who are not the heroes and the important 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.120 people of the world, but the inmates and the prisoners 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.799 of Rome's prisons. But to reach out the way Jesus 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.520 did to the less fortunate. He was still able to 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.160 do that, and to have him be able to have 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.640 that final Easter blessing, that is a miracle. 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:54.560 And I'm sure if I've heard of it before, but 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.280 this is a man who refused to die on his deathbed. 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.960 He was on his deathbed at the hospital. That was it. 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.720 It really was. I don't care what nothing. Yes, he 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.040 got out of the hospital, but that was his deathbed moment. 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.840 He was not supposed to leave the hospital. And it's 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.159 bizarre that we always talk about what people in there. 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.240 I don't know. Something happens to somebody when they're younger 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.560 at twenty thirty four and they go through something physical 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:22.760 and they go through a health crisis, and you always 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.320 talk with people fighting to live. They just want more time. 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.760 They're fighting to live. This dude, it feels like he 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.520 was fighting to live just long enough. Like he and 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:36.000 maybe God, if you're religious, were the only two that 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:40.000 understood the assignment and what was happening, and he fought 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.520 to live as long as he needed to for what 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.159 he wanted to do, for what he thinks probably God 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:48.680 called him to do, and maybe for what the faithful 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.480 needed from him. But it's as I asked, you, can 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.680 you think of another celebrity of some death anywhere where 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:58.039 it seemed as poetic as this one? I can't think 0:06:58.040 --> 0:06:58.360 of one. 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:02.400 We actually really did try to sit and think with that, 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:06.200 and nothing came to mind, because I loved how you 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.920 put that it was a poetic death and the fact. 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.560 That he got and it was such a busy day 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:15.280 for him on Easter, he was he was working. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:20.200 Not only did he make that appearance at the balcony 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.840 and give that Easter blessing, but he also went down 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:25.600 in the popemobile and. 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:27.040 Was there with the people. 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.000 Can you imagine being in the crowd and having seen 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.360 him that one last time, not knowing it was going 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.280 to be his last. And before all of that, he 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.480 met with Vice President JD. Vance and we don't know 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.280 exactly what was said, but certainly he was at odds 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:45.360 with the Trump administration immigration policy and certainly made his 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.640 last message about finding peace with the war in Gaza. 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:50.760 So I don't know what that conversation was like, but 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.400 he's made no bones about how he feels about some 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:54.800 of the administration's decisions. 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.400 So perhaps it was a little testy. Perhaps it was a. 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.120 Little I mean, I can't imagine he wouldn't have or 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:02.080 he would have held back. 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.160 And that's okay, that's wonderful. We can sit look at that, 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.960 the Pope and JD. Vans are sitting next to each 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:12.720 other having a conversation. It's okay. These two knocked heads 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:16.000 on a bunch of issues. That's fine, and that's why 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:17.720 I wanted to and you and I were talking about 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:21.160 putting this together. And there are biographies out there that 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.920 people will be doing, the what we call the the. 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.760 Oh bids, the obituaries where you go through Pope Francis 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:28.080 was born in Yes. 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.400 No, and it's not necessary and too much of that. 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.520 And I'm not gonna mention a single thing that's been 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.040 said on social media with people already doing their thing 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:37.960 right when it comes to this man. They want to 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:39.880 talk about religion, they want to talk about history, they 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.760 want to talk about all politics and fighting back and 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:46.160 forth and once again pitting sides against each other. No, 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:48.800 can't we just look at and can we not just 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.800 trust that this was maybe a decent dude who did 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.559 the best he could, and he might have some opinions 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.160 you don't agree with, but his was a life of 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:01.000 service and it was not more on display. He literally 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:04.960 died to serve. What if he listened to the doctor's 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.280 orders and didn't keep rolling around out there for the 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.720 past month since he got out of the hospital. How 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.040 much longer could he have had life? I don't know, 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:14.960 but that would have meant some people might not have 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:18.480 had the easter they had yesterday. That's service. And why 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.280 can't we just honor the man and forget everything? Can 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.040 we just take him at give him benefit of the doubt. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:27.240 This is a good guy, yeah, and leave it at that. 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.960 I got chills when you were talking because I was 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:43.800 imagining all the people who are in hospitals, all the 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.640 people who are dying, and we're all dying, yes, but 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.160 some of us are closer than others. And we realized 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.199 that all the people who were suffering, all the people 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.960 who had wake up with pain, who wake up with fear, 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.800 who wake up with all of those things that the 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.120 pope was experiencing, and they had him to look to 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.200 and look towards and watch him lead the way. And 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.480 that is so inspirational until you're in a situation where 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:09.840 you feel powerless or maybe even hopeless, sometimes both. Sometimes 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:13.280 it just takes one person that you see in your 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.520 same boat or on that same path, and they do 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.440 it anyway, and they get up anyway, and they keep praying, 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.920 and they keep pushing, and they keep doing and being 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.120 even in pain, and. 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:27.600 I just I cannot. 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.640 It actually brings me to tears to think about the 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.720 impact that he has had and hopefully we'll continue to 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.640 have on all of us who will, Yes, if we 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.200 haven't already walked down that path, we'll be walking down 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.600 that path at one point. And to think about how 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.680 he handled himself and how he inspired us, and how 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.520 I mean, really he showed courage like that to me 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:50.800 is the epitome of courage. 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.040 How do you I mean, even if you don't get 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:57.720 the same result he showed, it's worth It was worth 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:02.000 it to stick around for another month. It was worth it. 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.839 And I said to you, Cyril, because we every single 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.160 day we did this with the Pope, and when we 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:11.240 got an updated and something sounded positive, and again we 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.520 might not have expressed it fully during the podcast, but 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:19.480 sometimes we did. But we were overjoyed and it was like, whoa, 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:20.920 this guy is going to get out of the hospital. 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:22.360 Who I'm telling you, He's going to show up to 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.160 Saint Peter's and it's going to be a huge moment. 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:25.880 You remember. And then it happened. 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.920 And then it happened, and now I kind of forgot 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.160 that he was even sick. I'm like, oh, he's on 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.880 the mend. If he's doing this, all right, he is 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.320 going to recad. I didn't anticipate death. 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:38.280 No, we were both shocked this morning. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.000 I mean we actually it's very rare that we're speechless, 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.320 but we were typing away working on the podcast this 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.360 morning and we heard it announced on CNN. 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.600 I believe, and it it. 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.760 Actually it shocked us to the point where we just 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:54.200 stopped doing what we were doing. 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.400 It shocked us to the point partly because of how 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.680 it was delivered. Look, I don't know who that person 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:00.920 might have been, that young lady was, but it was 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.280 the newscast had started at the top of the hour, 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:06.800 and the lead story I kind of remember it might 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:10.400 have been about the billess Wayne and Bilizueln immigrants. 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.000 It might have been that in Hegsath, I think it was. 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.280 They were doing like a double headline about politics in 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:19.280 the United States and our immigration policies, and Hegseath's group chat, 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.079 and all of a sudden it switches to the other 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.240 anchor and she quietly she. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.120 Simply, it was a weird delivery up to where we 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.600 didn't think it was real because obviously, wait, we didn't 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.640 miss that. The breaking news alerts hadn't come online yet, 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:36.960 And she just says in a very calm voice, like 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:38.040 nothing had happened. 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:38.800 Pope Francis. 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:43.160 Francis died overnight the age of eighty eight. Wait what 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.120 we thought she was wrong? We didn't think we were 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:46.679 hearing it right. 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.560 I wanted to hear like the big, cold open breaking 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:53.000 news just into you know, our broadcast center. 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:55.480 But no, none of that. It was actually kind of interesting, 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.000 it was. It came in with a whisper. 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:02.160 Almost it was jarring how quiet it was at the time, 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.360 and look, a lot happens and knew who knows how 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.080 she got the information in her ear and how it 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.440 went about, but that is how we got the news. 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:12.080 And of course frantically started looking for Vatican statements and 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.720 all this, which we eventually found, but it was we 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:16.960 have and robe. This is not a I mean for 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.920 both of us. We have covered popes in the past, 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.640 We've covered stories in the past about you're always covering 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:24.800 in some way, form or fashion. I have never felt 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:30.680 as connected or invested in the papacy as I did 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:32.920 with this guy over the past two and a half months. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.400 I agree with you because there were lessons and I 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:41.800 was watching a display of heroism and service that had 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.160 nothing to do with religion and had nothing to do 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:46.840 with the pope. I was amazed at what he was 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:48.800 able to do. And we should remind you that we 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:52.200 didn't find out un till later, but he was essentially 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:57.080 near death twice in the hospital. They were saying, he's 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.040 one of the times, like you, said the nurse, but 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.640 the doctors had made a decision to stop doing treatment, 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.880 so that was it. And then his personal nurse said, nope, 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:09.839 you fight and you keep going to the end, do 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.160 whatever you gotta do, and look what it got us. 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:16.000 I just I don't I hate when it delves into 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.360 and starts immediately going into something other than this just 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.360 was a decent guy. But then somebody immediately wants to say, well, 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.600 his view on this was blah blahlah blah. So he's 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.640 the worst pope ever. I don't want to rest in 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.760 peace that kind of stuff is flowing. Can we not 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.920 just for anything? Even the Pope? Just give him the 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.120 benefit of the doubt. He was a decent guy, did 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.120 his best. He was human, He made some mistakes, he 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.640 hasd some opinions you differ with, But damn how you 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:44.640 not applaud what this guy pulls off in a lifetime 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:46.360 and in the last two and a half months of 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:46.640 his life. 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.920 Correct And you know, you pointed out that you don't 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.960 have to look at the pope. This may sound funny 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:56.520 through a religious lens, because for me, when I saw 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.000 his devotion, it was more about faith. And we all 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.040 have faith in something whatever, whether it's in yourself, in 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.960 the universe, in your God, in your religion, but religion. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.560 Take that out of it and make this about faith 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.920 and about following through on your faith and being the 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.920 person and striving to be the best person and be 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.840 willing to learn and being willing to evolve. We definitely 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.280 saw this from the Pope throughout his papacy, but certainly 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:28.120 in the last few months, and I am he was, 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.520 and this is where he was constant. He was always 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.280 about serving the marginalized, always about being the voice for 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.560 people who didn't have any And I will always appreciate 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:40.080 that from him because we. 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.600 Need more leaders. That is the role. 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:47.800 That is why we do and have leaders in this 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:51.760 world to represent people who can't speak up for themselves, 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.040 who don't have power. And I really do feel like, 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.800 regardless of how you think of the Pope's policies or 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.760 his beliefs, he did that consistently. 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:05.240 It didn't feel like lip service at all. He's not 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.680 a politician necessarily, even though some would argue he's a 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.720 political figure. But we see so many politicians not calling 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.240 anybody out. But it seems to be lip service. It 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.160 seems to be they show up in this community on 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.480 a certain day to get a photo op. They'll go 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:21.160 stand with a group of black children and rah, and 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.560 they'll go over here with this group and righth Rah. 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.920 This guy has been washing the feet of prisoners for years. Yep. Okay, 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:29.600 you can call that a photo op if you want to. 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:34.360 But he showed up Thursday last Thursday at a prison 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.200 he's been to before, and actually said to them, I 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:37.640 would like to do it, but I'm not in good 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:42.360 enough health to wash your feet today, but please know 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.440 I want to and I wanted to be with you 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.320 on this day. And he still showed up. 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.080 Yeah, it was Holy Thursday. It was just last week. 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:51.360 And you know the other thing. 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:53.040 While he was in the hospital, we didn't get a 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.240 lot of specific information, but the one thing we got 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.600 every single day he made a phone call. He had 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.240 a can to that parish in Gaza, and he made 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.639 a phone call to check in on them to see 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.520 how they were doing. Every single day he was in 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:10.600 the hospital, according to the Vatican, we kept getting these 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:15.119 updates and in a perhaps pretty cool full circle moment. 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.360 And this isn't to have any opinion about what's going 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.040 on in the Middle East, because that has certainly caused 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:27.600 so much, yes, discord among many people. But one of 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:31.720 his last message read by his associate or by his assistant, 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:35.639 was for peace, for peace in the Middle East, for 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.879 the cease fire to take place, for the hostages to 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.439 all be released, for the prisoners to be released, to 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.240 allow people to have a free and peaceful existence. 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:46.080 Poor a guy who's dying, by the way, this is 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:49.080 what he's he continued, on his mind, that was on 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.440 his mind every day in the hospital. He's calling somebody 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:52.479 else to check on them. 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.000 That tells you. That tells you everything you need to know. 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.160 That tells you everything you need to know. 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.560 And it was it was this. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.520 We've covered so many stories in our lives, and we've 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.600 gone to the stories, We've flown around the world, we've 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.280 been right there where things are happening, and yet funny enough, 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:16.320 just given the power of what we watched and witnessed 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.399 over the last two months, I like to you to 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.120 your point, I feel more connected to him and more 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.040 invested in his last few months than I have in 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.879 really covering a lot of other events, because I just 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:31.000 it was real, it was raw, it was human, and 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.680 it's something that we could all relate to. It wasn't 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:34.200 for show. 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.240 Is it wild to say, maybe you can relate to it. 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:46.879 Maybe a lot of people can't. I didn't feel sad, 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.280 like tears came to my eyes and it was a 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:56.080 little overwhelming, and it was a little shoulders slumped a 0:18:56.119 --> 0:19:00.760 little bit, But this was a beautiful death. If it's 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.680 if you can say that anybody lives eighty eight years, 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:08.119 Congratulations right, you don't necessarily that's the celebration of a 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.840 life live that long, anybody makes it that far. But 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:15.399 the way it almost feels like he wrote his own death, 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.560 like this is the way I wanted to go. It's 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.520 incredible what this was. This is then the thing I 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:22.800 likened it too. I was trying to think of a 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:26.199 celebrity death. This is I have a personal connection to 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.199 this One's so why this one jumps out Chadwick Boseman 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.800 and I say it only in this way is that 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:36.439 we had no idea what he was going through, and 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:40.520 he showed up every day, He did his work, he smiled, 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:43.919 he hugged those kids, he took those pictures, he did 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:48.359 everything in service of it seemed like something he understood 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:50.680 at least what he was, and he didn't want to 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.199 be a distraction anyway. What the only thing I can 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:56.800 get close to liking into is just someone who put 0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:00.200 what they were going through a side for the sake 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.240 of the moment, for the sake of who they are, 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.000 for the sake of understanding what they meant to other people. Yes, 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:08.360 the Pope and the guy who played Black Panther, obviously 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.440 there are differences. So I'm not trying to say that 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:13.320 on the same level, but for the Pope to now 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:15.520 I look at it in this way, he put his 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:19.960