1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Hey, there're folks in this episode. He lived eighty eight years, 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: but Pope France has saved his best for last. And 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: When I say robes best for last. When I say last, 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: I mean the last two and a half months of 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: his life that we watched in a very intimate way 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: and watched it very closely day and day out. And 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: I guess you could say Robes in two and a 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: half months of his life. The last two and a 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: half months. Things went from dire to miraculous, to triumphant 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: to shocking, but every step of the way there was 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: an inspiration he gave us. In the last two and 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: a half months. 14 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: It's so true. 15 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 3: We were just reflecting doing the morning run every morning. 16 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 3: We were giving those constant updates, and we were holding 17 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 3: our breath each morning when we woke up to see 18 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: what the latest was with the Pope. So we were 19 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: rooting as the world was for him and in awe 20 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 3: of his ability to recover from what he was battling 21 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 3: double pneumonia at the age of eighty eight. I mean 22 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 3: that is significant. He nearly died twice and then he 23 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 3: gets out of the hospital, and his doctors say, rest, 24 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 3: take care of yourself, don't expose yourself to other people, crowds, children. 25 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 3: And you know what the Pope did. He said, Nah, 26 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do what I love. I'm going to serve, 27 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: and in doing so, I don't I know this might 28 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 3: I know this is true. He taught us how to 29 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 3: live by how he died in these last few months. 30 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: And it should be said, folks, you're listening to two 31 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: folks here. Who's one grew up Catholic. But I'm not 32 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: gonna put words in your mouth. I think you say this. 33 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 2: You call yourself a I call myself a recovering Catholic. 34 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, put words in your mouth. And I am 35 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: a black man from the South who grew up going 36 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: to the Church of Christ. Right, So I no Catholic 37 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: anything in my lane. But it doesn't matter if you're religious, 38 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: if you're Catholic, if you're Christian, if you're whatever. There's 39 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: a lesson he taught everybody, it felt like, and part 40 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: of that was that there seemed to be a separation 41 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: between the Pope as a religious figure and Frances as 42 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: a man. For some reason, because he does feel like 43 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: the Pope whoever it is, feels like a larger than 44 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: life character. He was really humanized the past two and 45 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: a half months by a lot of what he did, 46 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: you know. 47 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 3: And I totally agree with what you're saying because and 48 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 3: we don't and I don't mean to minimize any impact 49 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 3: he had on so many marginalized communities while he was 50 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: at his best, at his strongest, perhaps physically, these strides 51 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: he made towards the LGBTQ plus communities, the even women 52 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: within the Catholic Church. He was open and welcoming to 53 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 3: people in a way we hadn't necessarily seen. However, I 54 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 3: just feel like in these last few months, we did 55 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 3: see this man who struggled just like every other human 56 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 3: being on the planet, anyone who has known pain, anyone 57 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: who has known chronic disease, anyone who has feared that 58 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 3: they were going to die, that they were that weak 59 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: that they couldn't get up in the morning. 60 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: He was that to all of us. 61 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: And he actually talked about how he felt closer more 62 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: empathetic to anyone who was suffering because of the physical 63 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 3: suffering he was going through in these past two months, 64 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,839 Speaker 3: and it just it humanized him. He was like all 65 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: of us and to see him push through and fight 66 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: to live, to serve, not for his own personal interests, 67 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: but to continue to serve. 68 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: Even if you the lessons he taught us about death 69 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: than what we all have to go through will go 70 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: through so many of us still, even if that's a 71 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: long way off. We've had grandparents, we've had family members 72 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: that we have watched kind of physically deteriorate in a 73 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: lot of ways and don't come back. Folks don't check 74 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: into the hospital at eighty eight with double pneumonia and 75 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: check out. It's almost never, I just don't. So this 76 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: was and for us this morning, and folks don't know 77 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: we do put together daily newscast podcast morning run. So 78 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: when he first went to the hospital February fourteenth, every 79 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: day for the next thirty eight days we gave an 80 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: update on how the prope was doing. It was the 81 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: first thing every morning when we woke up, what's going 82 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: on with the pope. And most of the time there 83 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: were eight nine word statements from the Vatican only saying 84 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: he slept well, he got some food, holl at you tomorrow, 85 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: and then on the rare days they did fourteen words. 86 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: It was huge, big mornings. Wow, we got fourteen words 87 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: from the Vatican. But there were times we looked when 88 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: they said double pneumonia. And that was early because he 89 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: went in for bronchitis, right, Yes, it was very soon 90 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: after they said double pneumonia. We didn't think, Okay, wow, 91 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: this is this is over. 92 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: Momentum is a hard thing to turn around, and especially 93 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: when you're eighty eight years old and you are sliding 94 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: into death, which is what it absolutely appeared to be happening. 95 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 3: That Yes, we might have only gotten eight or nine words, 96 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: but you could read between the lines that this was 97 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 3: not going well for the pope. So yes, we were 98 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 3: all holding I think people around the world were collectively 99 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: holding their breath, but expecting that it was his time. 100 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 3: And so how interesting that he pushed through that pain, 101 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: He fought to live, His nurse fought for him when 102 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,679 Speaker 3: doctors had given up. So you saw this ground swell 103 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 3: of support that came from the outside but also from 104 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 3: within him, and you thought, he's going to do something 105 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: like this is important. He lived to see another day 106 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: because of and then to see him get through the 107 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: holiest week in the Catholic calendar, to actually get out 108 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: and mingle and be with the people who he loved, 109 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: the people who are not the heroes and the important 110 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: people of the world, but the inmates and the prisoners 111 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 3: of Rome's prisons. But to reach out the way Jesus 112 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: did to the less fortunate. He was still able to 113 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 3: do that, and to have him be able to have 114 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 3: that final Easter blessing, that is a miracle. 115 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: And I'm sure if I've heard of it before, but 116 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: this is a man who refused to die on his deathbed. 117 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: He was on his deathbed at the hospital. That was it. 118 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: It really was. I don't care what nothing. Yes, he 119 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: got out of the hospital, but that was his deathbed moment. 120 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: He was not supposed to leave the hospital. And it's 121 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: bizarre that we always talk about what people in there. 122 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. Something happens to somebody when they're younger 123 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: at twenty thirty four and they go through something physical 124 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: and they go through a health crisis, and you always 125 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: talk with people fighting to live. They just want more time. 126 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: They're fighting to live. This dude, it feels like he 127 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: was fighting to live just long enough. Like he and 128 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: maybe God, if you're religious, were the only two that 129 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: understood the assignment and what was happening, and he fought 130 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: to live as long as he needed to for what 131 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: he wanted to do, for what he thinks probably God 132 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: called him to do, and maybe for what the faithful 133 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: needed from him. But it's as I asked, you, can 134 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: you think of another celebrity of some death anywhere where 135 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: it seemed as poetic as this one? I can't think 136 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: of one. 137 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: We actually really did try to sit and think with that, 138 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 3: and nothing came to mind, because I loved how you 139 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: put that it was a poetic death and the fact. 140 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: That he got and it was such a busy day 141 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: for him on Easter, he was he was working. 142 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: Not only did he make that appearance at the balcony 143 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 3: and give that Easter blessing, but he also went down 144 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: in the popemobile and. 145 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: Was there with the people. 146 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 3: Can you imagine being in the crowd and having seen 147 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 3: him that one last time, not knowing it was going 148 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: to be his last. And before all of that, he 149 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: met with Vice President JD. Vance and we don't know 150 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: exactly what was said, but certainly he was at odds 151 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: with the Trump administration immigration policy and certainly made his 152 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 3: last message about finding peace with the war in Gaza. 153 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 3: So I don't know what that conversation was like, but 154 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: he's made no bones about how he feels about some 155 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 3: of the administration's decisions. 156 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: So perhaps it was a little testy. Perhaps it was a. 157 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 3: Little I mean, I can't imagine he wouldn't have or 158 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: he would have held back. 159 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: And that's okay, that's wonderful. We can sit look at that, 160 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: the Pope and JD. Vans are sitting next to each 161 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: other having a conversation. It's okay. These two knocked heads 162 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: on a bunch of issues. That's fine, and that's why 163 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to and you and I were talking about 164 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: putting this together. And there are biographies out there that 165 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: people will be doing, the what we call the the. 166 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: Oh bids, the obituaries where you go through Pope Francis 167 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 3: was born in Yes. 168 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: No, and it's not necessary and too much of that. 169 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna mention a single thing that's been 170 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: said on social media with people already doing their thing 171 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: right when it comes to this man. They want to 172 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: talk about religion, they want to talk about history, they 173 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: want to talk about all politics and fighting back and 174 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: forth and once again pitting sides against each other. No, 175 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: can't we just look at and can we not just 176 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: trust that this was maybe a decent dude who did 177 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: the best he could, and he might have some opinions 178 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: you don't agree with, but his was a life of 179 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: service and it was not more on display. He literally 180 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: died to serve. What if he listened to the doctor's 181 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: orders and didn't keep rolling around out there for the 182 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: past month since he got out of the hospital. How 183 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: much longer could he have had life? I don't know, 184 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: but that would have meant some people might not have 185 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: had the easter they had yesterday. That's service. And why 186 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: can't we just honor the man and forget everything? Can 187 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: we just take him at give him benefit of the doubt. 188 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: This is a good guy, yeah, and leave it at that. 189 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 3: I got chills when you were talking because I was 190 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: imagining all the people who are in hospitals, all the 191 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: people who are dying, and we're all dying, yes, but 192 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: some of us are closer than others. And we realized 193 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 3: that all the people who were suffering, all the people 194 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 3: who had wake up with pain, who wake up with fear, 195 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: who wake up with all of those things that the 196 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 3: pope was experiencing, and they had him to look to 197 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 3: and look towards and watch him lead the way. And 198 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 3: that is so inspirational until you're in a situation where 199 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 3: you feel powerless or maybe even hopeless, sometimes both. Sometimes 200 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: it just takes one person that you see in your 201 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 3: same boat or on that same path, and they do 202 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 3: it anyway, and they get up anyway, and they keep praying, 203 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 3: and they keep pushing, and they keep doing and being 204 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: even in pain, and. 205 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: I just I cannot. 206 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: It actually brings me to tears to think about the 207 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 3: impact that he has had and hopefully we'll continue to 208 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 3: have on all of us who will, Yes, if we 209 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 3: haven't already walked down that path, we'll be walking down 210 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: that path at one point. And to think about how 211 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 3: he handled himself and how he inspired us, and how 212 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 3: I mean, really he showed courage like that to me 213 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 3: is the epitome of courage. 214 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: How do you I mean, even if you don't get 215 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: the same result he showed, it's worth It was worth 216 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: it to stick around for another month. It was worth it. 217 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: And I said to you, Cyril, because we every single 218 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: day we did this with the Pope, and when we 219 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: got an updated and something sounded positive, and again we 220 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: might not have expressed it fully during the podcast, but 221 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: sometimes we did. But we were overjoyed and it was like, whoa, 222 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: this guy is going to get out of the hospital. 223 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: Who I'm telling you, He's going to show up to 224 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: Saint Peter's and it's going to be a huge moment. 225 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: You remember. And then it happened. 226 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: And then it happened, and now I kind of forgot 227 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: that he was even sick. I'm like, oh, he's on 228 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: the mend. If he's doing this, all right, he is 229 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: going to recad. I didn't anticipate death. 230 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: No, we were both shocked this morning. 231 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 3: I mean we actually it's very rare that we're speechless, 232 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 3: but we were typing away working on the podcast this 233 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 3: morning and we heard it announced on CNN. 234 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: I believe, and it it. 235 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 3: Actually it shocked us to the point where we just 236 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 3: stopped doing what we were doing. 237 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: It shocked us to the point partly because of how 238 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: it was delivered. Look, I don't know who that person 239 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: might have been, that young lady was, but it was 240 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: the newscast had started at the top of the hour, 241 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: and the lead story I kind of remember it might 242 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: have been about the billess Wayne and Bilizueln immigrants. 243 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: It might have been that in Hegsath, I think it was. 244 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: They were doing like a double headline about politics in 245 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 3: the United States and our immigration policies, and Hegseath's group chat, 246 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden it switches to the other 247 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 3: anchor and she quietly she. 248 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: Simply, it was a weird delivery up to where we 249 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: didn't think it was real because obviously, wait, we didn't 250 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: miss that. The breaking news alerts hadn't come online yet, 251 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: And she just says in a very calm voice, like 252 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: nothing had happened. 253 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: Pope Francis. 254 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: Francis died overnight the age of eighty eight. Wait what 255 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: we thought she was wrong? We didn't think we were 256 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: hearing it right. 257 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 3: I wanted to hear like the big, cold open breaking 258 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 3: news just into you know, our broadcast center. 259 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: But no, none of that. It was actually kind of interesting, 260 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: it was. It came in with a whisper. 261 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: Almost it was jarring how quiet it was at the time, 262 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: and look, a lot happens and knew who knows how 263 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: she got the information in her ear and how it 264 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: went about, but that is how we got the news. 265 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: And of course frantically started looking for Vatican statements and 266 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: all this, which we eventually found, but it was we 267 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: have and robe. This is not a I mean for 268 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: both of us. We have covered popes in the past, 269 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: We've covered stories in the past about you're always covering 270 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: in some way, form or fashion. I have never felt 271 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: as connected or invested in the papacy as I did 272 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: with this guy over the past two and a half months. 273 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: I agree with you because there were lessons and I 274 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: was watching a display of heroism and service that had 275 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: nothing to do with religion and had nothing to do 276 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: with the pope. I was amazed at what he was 277 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: able to do. And we should remind you that we 278 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: didn't find out un till later, but he was essentially 279 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: near death twice in the hospital. They were saying, he's 280 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: one of the times, like you, said the nurse, but 281 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: the doctors had made a decision to stop doing treatment, 282 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: so that was it. And then his personal nurse said, nope, 283 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: you fight and you keep going to the end, do 284 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: whatever you gotta do, and look what it got us. 285 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: I just I don't I hate when it delves into 286 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: and starts immediately going into something other than this just 287 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: was a decent guy. But then somebody immediately wants to say, well, 288 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: his view on this was blah blahlah blah. So he's 289 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: the worst pope ever. I don't want to rest in 290 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: peace that kind of stuff is flowing. Can we not 291 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: just for anything? Even the Pope? Just give him the 292 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. He was a decent guy, did 293 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: his best. He was human, He made some mistakes, he 294 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: hasd some opinions you differ with, But damn how you 295 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: not applaud what this guy pulls off in a lifetime 296 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: and in the last two and a half months of 297 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: his life. 298 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 3: Correct And you know, you pointed out that you don't 299 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: have to look at the pope. This may sound funny 300 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 3: through a religious lens, because for me, when I saw 301 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 3: his devotion, it was more about faith. And we all 302 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: have faith in something whatever, whether it's in yourself, in 303 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 3: the universe, in your God, in your religion, but religion. 304 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 3: Take that out of it and make this about faith 305 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: and about following through on your faith and being the 306 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 3: person and striving to be the best person and be 307 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 3: willing to learn and being willing to evolve. We definitely 308 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: saw this from the Pope throughout his papacy, but certainly 309 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: in the last few months, and I am he was, 310 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 3: and this is where he was constant. He was always 311 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: about serving the marginalized, always about being the voice for 312 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 3: people who didn't have any And I will always appreciate 313 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 3: that from him because we. 314 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: Need more leaders. That is the role. 315 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 3: That is why we do and have leaders in this 316 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: world to represent people who can't speak up for themselves, 317 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 3: who don't have power. And I really do feel like, 318 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 3: regardless of how you think of the Pope's policies or 319 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: his beliefs, he did that consistently. 320 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: It didn't feel like lip service at all. He's not 321 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: a politician necessarily, even though some would argue he's a 322 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: political figure. But we see so many politicians not calling 323 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: anybody out. But it seems to be lip service. It 324 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: seems to be they show up in this community on 325 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: a certain day to get a photo op. They'll go 326 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: stand with a group of black children and rah, and 327 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: they'll go over here with this group and righth Rah. 328 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: This guy has been washing the feet of prisoners for years. Yep. Okay, 329 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: you can call that a photo op if you want to. 330 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: But he showed up Thursday last Thursday at a prison 331 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: he's been to before, and actually said to them, I 332 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: would like to do it, but I'm not in good 333 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: enough health to wash your feet today, but please know 334 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: I want to and I wanted to be with you 335 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: on this day. And he still showed up. 336 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Holy Thursday. It was just last week. 337 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: And you know the other thing. 338 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: While he was in the hospital, we didn't get a 339 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 3: lot of specific information, but the one thing we got 340 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 3: every single day he made a phone call. He had 341 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 3: a can to that parish in Gaza, and he made 342 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 3: a phone call to check in on them to see 343 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 3: how they were doing. Every single day he was in 344 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 3: the hospital, according to the Vatican, we kept getting these 345 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 3: updates and in a perhaps pretty cool full circle moment. 346 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 3: And this isn't to have any opinion about what's going 347 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 3: on in the Middle East, because that has certainly caused 348 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 3: so much, yes, discord among many people. But one of 349 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 3: his last message read by his associate or by his assistant, 350 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 3: was for peace, for peace in the Middle East, for 351 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 3: the cease fire to take place, for the hostages to 352 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 3: all be released, for the prisoners to be released, to 353 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 3: allow people to have a free and peaceful existence. 354 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: Poor a guy who's dying, by the way, this is 355 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: what he's he continued, on his mind, that was on 356 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: his mind every day in the hospital. He's calling somebody 357 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 1: else to check on them. 358 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 3: That tells you. That tells you everything you need to know. 359 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 3: That tells you everything you need to know. 360 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: And it was it was this. 361 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 3: We've covered so many stories in our lives, and we've 362 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 3: gone to the stories, We've flown around the world, we've 363 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 3: been right there where things are happening, and yet funny enough, 364 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 3: just given the power of what we watched and witnessed 365 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: over the last two months, I like to you to 366 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 3: your point, I feel more connected to him and more 367 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 3: invested in his last few months than I have in 368 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 3: really covering a lot of other events, because I just 369 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 3: it was real, it was raw, it was human, and 370 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 3: it's something that we could all relate to. It wasn't 371 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 3: for show. 372 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: Is it wild to say, maybe you can relate to it. 373 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: Maybe a lot of people can't. I didn't feel sad, 374 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: like tears came to my eyes and it was a 375 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: little overwhelming, and it was a little shoulders slumped a 376 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: little bit, But this was a beautiful death. If it's 377 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: if you can say that anybody lives eighty eight years, 378 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: Congratulations right, you don't necessarily that's the celebration of a 379 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: life live that long, anybody makes it that far. But 380 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: the way it almost feels like he wrote his own death, 381 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: like this is the way I wanted to go. It's 382 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: incredible what this was. This is then the thing I 383 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: likened it too. I was trying to think of a 384 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: celebrity death. This is I have a personal connection to 385 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: this One's so why this one jumps out Chadwick Boseman 386 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: and I say it only in this way is that 387 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: we had no idea what he was going through, and 388 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: he showed up every day, He did his work, he smiled, 389 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: he hugged those kids, he took those pictures, he did 390 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: everything in service of it seemed like something he understood 391 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: at least what he was, and he didn't want to 392 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: be a distraction anyway. What the only thing I can 393 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: get close to liking into is just someone who put 394 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: what they were going through a side for the sake 395 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: of the moment, for the sake of who they are, 396 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: for the sake of understanding what they meant to other people. Yes, 397 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: the Pope and the guy who played Black Panther, obviously 398 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: there are differences. So I'm not trying to say that 399 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: on the same level, but for the Pope to now 400 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: I look at it in this way, he put his 401 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: life on the line to serve God, to serve the church, 402 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: to serve a community, serve the world. He literally put 403 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: his life on the line. Just goes. I said it 404 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: on the one of the podcasts, Dude, please just go 405 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: stop hugging kids, right he went through this, Please go 406 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: rest please, I said, Yeah, first time I see a 407 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: little kid cofing next to him, I'm a freak out. 408 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: Now we don't know what ultimately happened here, details will come, 409 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: but it couldn't have helped. 410 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 3: No, no, I mean he was actually with a child specifically, 411 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 3: you could see him touching and kids, which was a 412 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 3: very specific. 413 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 2: Request from the doctor's crowds and kids. Big no, nos. 414 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: He We're all trying to avoid that, right. 415 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 3: For a lot of reasons. And we don't have compromised 416 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 3: immune systems. We're just in the hospital for thirty eight days. Kids, 417 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 3: I always say this, are living walking petri dishes of germs. 418 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 3: So yes, anyone who was a school aged kid knows 419 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 3: you're gonna get sick a ton until they get through 420 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 3: those elementary school days. So yes, that is not anything 421 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 3: anyone should be exposed to, let alone an eighty eight 422 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 3: year old pope who just got out of the hospital with. 423 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: There are plenty of pictures of him the past couple 424 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: of weeks. 425 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 3: Hugging yesterday, yes yesterday, in the popemobile, touching, but it's 426 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: just who he was. It's how he connected with people 427 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 3: and is what made him so beloved by so many 428 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 3: because he did. I love the way you put that. 429 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 3: I thought that is actually a beautiful analogy of someone 430 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 3: who put their own physical pain and their own personal 431 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 3: discomfort aside to do what they know or knew was 432 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 3: the right way forward that would affect and impact the 433 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 3: most people in the best way, and they put what 434 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 3: they wanted or what they might have needed. I'm sure 435 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 3: there were plenty of moments where he wanted to die, 436 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 3: where he was probably willing to give up, But I 437 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 3: just think it's another it's a you know what, I 438 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 3: look at it like this too. So many of us 439 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 3: have had moments and we'll have more to come where 440 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 3: we want to give up, and he just showed that 441 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 3: you can keep fighting and getting another day, getting another week, 442 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 3: getting another moment with someone where you can have an impact. 443 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 2: Is worth it. It's worth the fight. 444 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 3: And when I think of him and I think about 445 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 3: what he did, I think about not giving up. I 446 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 3: will remember him. I will remember what he did in 447 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 3: these last few months the next time I'm feeling hopeless, 448 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 3: the next time I'm feeling helpless, and think about the 449 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 3: power of staying in the fight, the power of not 450 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 3: giving up, the power of just giving. I think he 451 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 3: is a shining, beautiful example that I hope we can 452 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 3: all remember. And yeah, this just felt like the right 453 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 3: podcast to do. We were talking about wanting, wanting to 454 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 3: discuss his life and his death, and traditionally you and 455 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 3: I would have if we were at a network, we 456 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 3: would have written or we would have read a an 457 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 3: entirely long written obituary. 458 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: Right we'd be on a plane of roam right now. 459 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 3: We know that. But but I just think talking about 460 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 3: the the emotional impact and the I just I am. 461 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 3: I am so blown away by the lessons that now 462 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 3: the more I think about it, the more they're there 463 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 3: right in front of me of what he gave the world, 464 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 3: and and everyone personally can choose to take what they'd 465 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 3: like from it. 466 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: But I know I am going to walk away from 467 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 2: today with. 468 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 3: A a clearer head, a sharper focus, and a bigger heart. 469 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: I can't believe. I really can't. And it was how 470 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: emotionally invested it got into the pope. There are celebrity 471 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: deaths that impact us all. I think if you would 472 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: have told me in January news came across Hope passed 473 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: away overnight, we'd have done the story it had been 474 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: what it was. That's sad for the faithful. We move 475 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: off fine. The way this happened had me so emotionally 476 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: invested in this guy in this moment that I can't 477 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: even quite understand it, but absolutely the lessons he's not 478 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: talking to your point. We look, we've had we all 479 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: have them. Somebody's going to have him today. You had 480 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: them this weekend. Whatever setback it may be, and we've 481 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: had plenty in recent days and weeks we haven't talked 482 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: about from a professional standpoint, physical of emotional, all kinds 483 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: of setbacks that just what life is This guy in 484 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: the past two and a half months has every single 485 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,239 Speaker 1: day because we've been reporting on it, has been a 486 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: new reminder every day of just what do you think 487 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: your problems are? And the way he served. That's what 488 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: they always say. If you're down or depressed, you know 489 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: how you can get out of it, Go be in 490 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: service to somebody else. And this guy just displayed it 491 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: in a way. And I would you say, as well, yesterday, 492 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: at least on Easter, he didn't look as good or 493 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: as healthy. It's yeah year a ring right. He didn't 494 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: look as good or as healthy yesterday as he did 495 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: that first appearance he made at the hospital. He didn't 496 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: look great, but he weighed. I remember interacting with one 497 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: woman down in the bottom. But then that second appearance 498 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: he made as surprise, we were like, whoa, well he 499 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: had apparatus on in one and then he went the 500 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: one where he didn't have. 501 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: He took off the breathing apparatus. 502 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, he made a previous appearance that wow, he looked 503 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: on the mend. 504 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: We were hopeful. 505 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: Then yesterday I didn't think it. When I saw the pictures, 506 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: I didn't think anything of okay, he's not doing as well. Fine, 507 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: then the news is man this morning, so twenty five 508 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: to thirty five. 509 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 2: To thirty five Eastern time, he's okay. 510 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: East times. When he passed a lot of people didn't 511 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: not get in the news until they woke up this morning, 512 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: and it was a shocker. 513 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 3: It was a shocker, But I just I think it's 514 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 3: so appropriate that he ended up passing on Easter Monday 515 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 3: and he got to completely lead his flock through Easter Sunday. 516 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 3: And that's a beautiful way to end a beautiful life 517 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 3: and a beautiful papacy. And I would love as we're 518 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 3: wrapping up, because I don't know how many people, I 519 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 3: hope all of you check out Morning Run every day, 520 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 3: but we always do a quote of the day. And 521 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: I went and I looked, and he's got plenty of 522 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 3: quotes out there. But I love TJ that you pointed 523 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 3: me in the direction of something you directly heard from 524 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 3: him last week when he was at that prison where 525 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 3: he wanted to wash the feet of those inmates but 526 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 3: he couldn't. But you know, reporters were shouting questions at him, 527 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 3: and one reporter asked him how he planned to spend 528 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 3: his Easter and his quote was, I am living as 529 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 3: I can. 530 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 2: Wow. 531 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: Can it be our answer to everything? Okay? So what 532 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: are you gonna do? How you doing? What are you 533 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: gonna do? I'm gonna do what I can. I'm gonna 534 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: do the best I can. Whatever I'm allowed to do, 535 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: I'm going to do it. That was a man who 536 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 1: accepted where he was at the time. We talked all 537 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: the time, what living like tomorrow's not gonna come, Living 538 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: like this is your last day? Like it doesn't seem 539 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: like that's practical to do every day because it was 540 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: my last day, I would go rise and road coaches 541 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: and go have some margerita. He can't do that necessarily, 542 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: But in his role, he looked like a guy who 543 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: knew he was about to die. He actually he looked 544 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: like a guy who knew exactly when he was going 545 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: to die. Because you don't put in a Sunday as 546 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 1: an eighty eight year old just got over double pneumonia 547 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: out of the hospital after a month. You don't put 548 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: in a day a work day like that. I don't 549 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: put in a work day like that on a healthy day. 550 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: It was insane. His day was crazy, how busy he was. 551 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 2: How cool was it that that was his last day too? 552 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 2: It's I love that it wasn't he knew it. He 553 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 2: wasn't in a hospital bed. 554 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 3: And look that happens, and that that sometimes you can't 555 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 3: avoid that, And that's that is how plenty of people 556 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 3: end up having to go, which is you know, but 557 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 3: I you just said something that that is just the lesson. 558 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 3: There's so many lessons, but this one acceptance, acceptance, surrender. 559 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 3: He was. He fought, he pushed, he did what he could, 560 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 3: but he accepted where he was. And isn't that so 561 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 3: important for all of us to do. We're not always 562 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: going to be at our best, our strongest, and a 563 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 3: lot of times we might be at our worst, but 564 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: there is a point in which we accept where we 565 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 3: are and we do the best we can. 566 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: You can live how you can. So so look forward. 567 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,719 Speaker 1: Resists the urge to get caught up in anything related 568 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: to this guy other than what we just witnessed over 569 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: the past two and a half months. As a guy, 570 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: as a man who happened to be in a position 571 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: to have the spotlight. He happened to be in a 572 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: position to have a role, but that had nothing to 573 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: do with the example necessarily that he said, you can 574 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: set that example. I can, we all can, and how 575 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: we live, and that's what he did. I don't think 576 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: whose line is that. That's Jim Valvano, right, Jim Valvano 577 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: with the v Foundation ESPN. They do all the time. 578 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: He said that in that classic, that historic now speech, 579 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: you beat cancer by how you live. The Pope didn't 580 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: have cancer here, but he set an example and how 581 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: he lived. How do you beat old age, how do 582 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: you beat disease? How do you beat these things? Look 583 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: at how you live. I'm never gonna think about this 584 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: guy as a sickly old man who just withered away 585 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: on his deathbed. Never, this dude went out with a fight, 586 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: and I don't. That's exactly how I want to go. 587 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: Is that somebody saw me out on a roller coaster, 588 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: or serving meals or kicking it or doing or working, 589 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: doing exactly what you're supposed to do and exactly what 590 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: you love. And then the next day, what today's dead. 591 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: That's that part. I just saw him yesterday. That's how 592 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: you should go. 593 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 3: So thank you, Pope Francis for showing us in how 594 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 3: he died, how to live. And I know that I 595 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 3: will be taking that with me today and hopefully for 596 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 3: the rest of my days to come. So we hope 597 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 3: you appreciated this episode in honor of Pope Francis, and 598 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 3: we hope you live like you're dying today and for 599 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 3: the rest of your days to come, but thank you 600 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 3: for being with us and we'll hopefully see you on 601 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 3: the run one day soon.