1 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: Yea, how often have you wondered what exactly is a 2 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: milkshake duck? Welcome to the show, fellow ridiculous historians. And 3 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: by the time this episode is over, you will know 4 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: what a milkshake duck is. But I don't think we 5 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: should spoil it just yet, you know, I mean, I 6 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: I just learned it myself, Ben. Apparently it's part of 7 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: his eyed guys, it's a very very current creation. And 8 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: your noll, that's me. We are not milkshake ducks ourselves. 9 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: I don't think so. Neither of one would hope. Neither 10 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: of course, is super producer Casey Pegram. When we were 11 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: bandying this story about at first, I was a little 12 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: concerned that it might be and I pitched part of this. 13 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: I was a little concerned that it might be too 14 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: close thematically to some things we had done fairly recently, 15 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: like the one where the guy tried to start an 16 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: island nation. Similar similar, similar, Um, Sorry, I have the 17 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: tune to dark wing Ducks stuck in my head. But 18 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: it's milkshake duck, shake duck. Let's get dangerous exactly. So 19 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: our story begins with a fellow named Gustaff Bromancus, I 20 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: like to call him Broman. So Gustaf Broman makes big news. 21 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: We don't know a ton about his maybe his early life, 22 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: but we do know when he popped in the eyes 23 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: of the media, and that was in eighteen nine. He 24 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: made a pretty astonishing and ambitious claim. He did. He claimed, 25 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: or dare I say? He announced unequivocally that he would 26 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: sail a thirteen foot long boat made from a cedar 27 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: log across the Atlantic Ocean. This is big news, my friend, 28 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: big popping news. He decreed it feeding frenzy. And remember, 29 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: you know, the late eighteen hundreds, this is a time 30 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: when these sorts of stunts are tremendously popular. Right, So 31 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: he would ride this log, which he called the Gustaf 32 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: Adolph the Second in honor, of course, the King of Sweden. Right, 33 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: what else would you name a canoe? But here's the thing. 34 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: His plan seemed pretty ridiculous just just from the beginning. 35 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: So here here's how he pitched his decree. He said, 36 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: I am going to sail across the Atlantic in this 37 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: amazing boat I've made from a cedar log. I'm gonna 38 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: start in cous Bay, Oregon, which was then known as Marshfield, 39 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: and then I'm going to sail down the coast to 40 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: San Francisco. Notice the Atlantic is nowhere in the picture 41 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: here yet. And then he says, then I'm gonna hop 42 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: on a train with the boat and take the train 43 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: across the country to New York. So he's got a 44 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: thirteen footboat. How how is he transporting this thing? He's like, 45 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: he's he's got a shipping container. He's taking it on 46 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: the he's hitting the rails with it. So this this idea, 47 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: it seems seems pretty weird, Like why wouldn't you just 48 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: start in New York? Right? Yeah, it's almost as though 49 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: he's got ulterior motives ben almost And this is where 50 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: we learned a really weird phrase or a phrase that 51 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: was unfamiliar to us. Do you remember that quote that 52 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: was published about Gustav's journey, which said, I arrangement can 53 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: be made with the old land railroads. Upon his arrival 54 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: in San Francisco, he will place machinery in his boat 55 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: or put around wheels, and by the use of napta 56 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: or electricity around her, direct to New York by rail 57 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: and then prepare for a trans atlantic voyage. I'm sorry, naptha, right, 58 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: So what the heck is naptha. At first I was 59 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 1: confused because there's a brand of laundry soap called Fell's Naptha, 60 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: which is used for treating stains. But naptha is a 61 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: flammable liquid hydrocarbon mixture. So it's it's like a fuel. Yeah, 62 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: it's a fuel, natural gas, petroleum distillates, distillation, cold tar, 63 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: and pete, and in different areas and regions in different times, 64 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: it could also just be a word for crude oil 65 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: or refined products like kerosene. So let's amend this. On 66 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: my part, he was riding the rails, but he was 67 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: going to make his boat into a miniature train car 68 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: that was part of his stick, so it would actually 69 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: ride the rails itself on wheels. Yeah, I'd like to 70 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: see that people have done that. There's a have some 71 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: car stuff episodes in the back about like a rocket 72 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: sled on rails and things of that nature. But what 73 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: happened next? How did he get all this? How did 74 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: he accomplish all these amazing things? Well, then he didn't. 75 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: My and he just didn't. It was what they call 76 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: a fool's Errand it was almost as though, no, it 77 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: was as though he never really intended on having success 78 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: any of these because you, like you said earlier, it 79 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: seems a little like he's going around is, you know, 80 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: something to get to something else, right, And uh, why 81 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: do it this way? It just seems utterly wrong headed. 82 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: And it was, and he had no intention of completing 83 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: this mission right. Four thousand people reportedly came to watch 84 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: him attempt to sail down the coast again into San Francisco. Uh. 85 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: His ship, which was pretty impractical, was immediately blown into 86 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: a sand bar far enough from sure that nobody could 87 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: get close enough to ask him what was going on. 88 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: And he just kind of hung out there for a while. 89 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: He was out of reach, he was out of reach 90 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: from any assistance. And then finally, luckily the tides were 91 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: on his side and they kind of got him moving again. 92 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: The tides got him moving again, and on March four 93 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: teenth of he arrived in San Francisco aboard the steamer Arcada. 94 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: Not on not on the Gustaf Adolph. No, it was 95 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: in the cargo. Really, Yeah, why, I don't know, I 96 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: don't know. It's it's a little it's a little suspicious. 97 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: So the l A Times reported that the captain of 98 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: the steamer had taken Gustaf Roman aboard to prevent him 99 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: from drowning as his boat capsized over and over and 100 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: over again. We're getting some of this info from a 101 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,239 Speaker 1: fantastic article on slate dot com called Meet Gustav Broman, 102 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century man who attempted to cross the Atlantic 103 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: in a log boat by Matthew Decim And there's some 104 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: great exerts from reporting from the time, And there's a 105 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: really good ape he have mine, We're gonna get do 106 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: in a little bit. That just makes me fills me 107 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: with with joy. But here's a little exert from the 108 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: San Francisco call peace. Um, they were not feeling Mr. 109 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 1: Broman's boat situation or his what do you call somebody 110 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: that makes boat boat a shipwright? A shipwrights? Is that 111 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: what it is? A shipwright? Between a ship and a boat. 112 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: That's that's the good question. I would say, this is 113 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: more of a boat. Yeah, well, let's give him some cred. 114 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: Let's come a boat, right, a boat right? Um. They 115 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: took issue with his boat right teeing skills and had 116 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: this to say, the craft fitted with contrivances never before 117 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: seen on land or sea, and having more depth than 118 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: beam is about as safe for passenger services a bailiff. Hey, 119 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: they said, they laughed. Not content with the natural crankiness. 120 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: Consequent upon its unshiplike construction, the architect has riveted brass 121 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: chain plates and other articles to the rail and deck absurd, 122 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: which further raises her center of gravity, making her an 123 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: elegant and graceful capsizer. If it is safe to say 124 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: that the bold navigator will navigate his uncanny and an 125 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: interesting craft into some fake museum, they are really giving 126 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: it to him here, and it would be proven that 127 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: she was designed not for ocean travel but for the 128 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: midway nickel trade. And they had a good laugh. So 129 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: you ad libbed a lot of that. But I really 130 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: appreciate how you were going from Matt Barry at the 131 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: beginning to think, yeah, um, that's a true description, Like 132 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: that's that's we have to emphasize that. You can you 133 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: can feel the snark on the San Francisco call, but 134 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: everything they're saying about this log boat is absolutely accurate. 135 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: It's just more tickled by the very haughty, taughty nature 136 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: of the sick burns. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's what 137 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: I mean, That's what I'm saying, Like snarky, and they 138 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: have that one line in the end from that excerpt 139 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: says she was designed not for ocean travel, but for 140 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: the midway nickel trade. And they were right that this 141 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: boat seemed designed for something else, but they didn't know 142 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: what the actual scheme was. You see, Goostaf Broman again 143 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: his real name, as far as we know, was sort 144 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: of already a celebrity, just not eboting circles. He was 145 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: a celebrity to law enforcement. Police across California knew about 146 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: this guy. And as soon as his boat made the 147 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: news is what is his elegant capsizing boat? Law enforcement 148 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: contacted reporters and gave them the hitherto unknown full details 149 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: of Broman's life story. And this is where it gets 150 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 1: stranger and stranger. We mentioned that earlier ap wire headline, 151 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: which is which is beautiful a Russian Finn. He is 152 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: a funny kind of finny cussus finny cuss, but there 153 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: is a method in his cussedness, for with all his 154 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: evil doings, he always comes out on top. So this 155 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: is where we learned about gooseta Off Broman and his 156 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: rap sheet that was like a mile off. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, 157 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: So so you want to walk through some of these examples. Boy, yeah, 158 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: a funny kind of finny cuss. Indeed, so apparently he 159 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: was known all over California for running a series of 160 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: varying degrees of bonkers scams. And I'm laughing, But like 161 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: one of them, particular, is really cold blooded, right, Ben, Yes, 162 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: one is definitely not. It'll look. We are often tempted 163 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: to paint hilarious cartoonish con artists as what they are, 164 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: you know, buffoons, but we have to remember that a 165 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: lot of these people are cold blooded, right, So this 166 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: is a reptilian thing. Gustav Broman makes his law enforcement 167 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: debut in San Pedro, Los Angeles County. He is arrested 168 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: for or he had a hotel keeper arrested for robbing 169 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: him a hundred dollars. But then and later in court, 170 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: it was proved there was nothing more than a blackmailing 171 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: scheme that Broman had come up with to try to 172 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: extort money from the hotel. Uh. He ended up getting 173 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: caught essentially sleeping around with several women and citizens when 174 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: they found out about his deceptive nature, literally tarred and 175 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: feathered him and drove him out of town. People really 176 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: did that Yeah, people did that. That's amazing. So not 177 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: only was he a cuss, he was also a leech. Yes, 178 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: he was both a cuss and electris cuss, a lectris 179 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: cuss or a custard letch right, a cuss rous letch. No, 180 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: we're just churchifying words at this point. But I like, 181 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 1: I like cuss rus. It's like a filthy susceros. Right. 182 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: So so this this, although it may sound endearing because 183 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: there's that instant karma that hits him. Uh, this doesn't 184 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: really illustrate the true nature of this guy's behavior. The 185 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: real reptilian stuff occurs in Santa Cruz, where he and 186 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: his brother lived in what was described as a shanty. Yeah, 187 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: and there's a some outdated language in this one. The 188 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: ap refers to his brother as an imbecile, which today 189 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: would obviously be considered a pretty nasty pejorative. At the 190 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: time was like, it was actually a medical diagnosis. I believe, right, 191 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: it is correct for somebody with developmental disabilities have a 192 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: fair way of uh saying him, that's a very fair 193 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: way of putting. It comes from the Latin word imbecillas, 194 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: meaning weak or weak minded, and at the time it 195 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: included people at NIQ between twenty six and fifty according 196 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: to the testing methods they used. It's right, and I 197 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: believe there was even a time where people that were 198 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: categorized as that were sterilized. There was forced sterilization of 199 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,599 Speaker 1: folks that were classified as being of lower i Q. 200 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: It was a whole thing. Yeah, And if you have 201 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: the morbid interest in this, we can break it down 202 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: for you. At the time when people use this, uh, 203 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: this sort of terminology as a description of cognitive ability, 204 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: because they saw imbecile was in between idiot and moron. 205 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: So an idiot was n Q of zero to twenty five, 206 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: imbecile fifty, and moron was fifty one to seventy. So 207 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: these were these pejoratives have very specific meanings, yeah, for sure. Um. 208 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 1: And again they were more or less like d S, 209 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: M level UM diagnoses or you know terms anyway. Um. 210 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: So Gustav's brother was in that was that in the 211 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: middle category of what you discussion. So he was certainly 212 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: not someone that could fully take care of himself, and 213 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: his brother really took advantage of that and in the 214 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: most ungodly awful way you could possibly imagine. Yes, he 215 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: committed he quite possibly we have to say that he 216 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: quite possibly committed fratricide. He took out two insurance policies 217 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: on his brother's life, one four or five thousand dollars 218 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: and the other four three thousand dollars. And let's let's 219 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: go to a handy inflation calculator here, just to see 220 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: how much money that actually was. All right, casey, if 221 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: we could have that handy dandy inflation calculator, sound que please, 222 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: so people know it's working and we're not just making 223 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: this up hand perfect three thousand dollars in the eighteen 224 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: nineties would equal a little bit more than eighty six 225 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and five thousand dollars would equal around one 226 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: hundred and forty three thousand dollars, almost one hundred and 227 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: forty four thousand. So these were significant amounts of money. 228 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: And took these two insurance policies out on his brother's life. 229 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: And then what happened not a month later, Yeah, the 230 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: shanty burned to the ground with the brother inside, and 231 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: he was also burned to the ground. The insurance companies 232 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: say this is sketchy. Yeah, of course it was. It's 233 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: never it's it's always a red flag when you take 234 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: an insurance policy on someone. Then a month later they 235 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: die in a tragic accident. That's that's not a good 236 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: look for And so the insurance companies say, we're not 237 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: gonna pay. This is ridiculous. The cops arrest Broman and 238 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: he has charged with arson and murder, and it does 239 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: go to trial. Yeah, and um, there's a woman at 240 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: the trial who, um really reads him the Riot Act 241 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: and gives a very strongly worded testimony against him. Um, 242 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: but he received a new trial and she kind of 243 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: changed her tune a little bit, almost as though she 244 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: were coerced or arm twisted in some way. Ben, is 245 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: that is that what you're thinking? Or turned? You know, 246 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: you can flip is what they call it in the mob, 247 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: right right, Nobody ever went broke betting on other people's 248 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: moral failings, you know what I mean. So he was discharged, 249 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: he got the insurance money, and then afterwards they learned 250 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: that the changed her testimony because he had promised to 251 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: give her a large a large lumpus scratch a piece, yeah, 252 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: a big if she would not testify against him on 253 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: that when that second go round, and then he I 254 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: guess maybe he cleaned up his act a little bit 255 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: null because he moved to San Francisco and decided he 256 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: was going to be a decent man. He was. He 257 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: was a wealthy man at this point, right, he got 258 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: those uh, those insurance pay that's true. I mean, I 259 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: don't know, it wasn't it wasn't like a millionaire money, 260 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: but enough to start a new life in new in 261 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: a new town, sure at that time. Yeah, So he 262 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: met a nice lady. He met a nice, nice woman. 263 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: She was named you will hear alternately described as Mrs 264 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: Lee Roy or simply Mrs Roy. She was both a 265 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: widow and wealthy, the old Mary, the wealthy widow scam 266 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: on to one W W, which is the origin of 267 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: the I R S tax form, the W two. Yeah, 268 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: is that true? Probably? Maybe? Okay, I'm going to choose 269 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: to believe that because that's what I do. So what happened, 270 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: what happened, Well, what happened was he uh, he put 271 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: a ring on it on Mrs Leroy, a quite a big, 272 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: big old rock, very valuable diamond ring. So things look 273 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: to be, um, you know, optimistic trending towards perhaps a 274 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: happy ending. If we want to believe in the inherent 275 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: goodness of all people. You mean the idea that people change, 276 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: that people can change for the better. Right, what is 277 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: it you always say, Ben, people don't really change that 278 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: it's become more people. We say people change, and that's true, 279 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: but it's a misnomer. As time goes on, we become 280 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: more concentrated versions of ourselves. Yeah, it seems like it 281 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: was happening with our boy, our boy Broman here. Possibly 282 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: the police did not believe that he had turned over 283 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: a new leaf. They had heard that Broman was back 284 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: in town. They're like, we got our on you, Broman, 285 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: because this is the time, this is the time in 286 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: American history where you could actually have someone go into 287 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: a town and then one of the towns people say, 288 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: you got a lot of nerves showing your face around here, 289 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't know if that 290 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: still happens in the US anymore. It's probably where the 291 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: expression get right out of town came from. We should 292 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: bring that back. That's good. I like to use it 293 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: from time to time, you know what, I think it fits. 294 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: I think it's really well, you know, But I only 295 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: use it in anger when I want someone to literally 296 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: leave town forever. But I say it in kind of 297 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: a funny way. So they're they're typically confused. They're probably 298 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: getting mixed message, get right out of town, and then 299 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: they go look and I'm like, no, go, I don't 300 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: want you here. Well, I hope you don't have too 301 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: many of those situations. Man, it sounds like real, real 302 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: weird Larry David moment. And I am flushed with enemies. Sir, 303 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: you're flushed with enemies. Well, then you might have something 304 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: in common with Broman. I hope none of your enemies 305 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: are in law enforcement. It they they say, you know, 306 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: we know what you're doing. You have a lot of 307 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: noise coming back here, and we don't have anything on 308 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: you yet, but we know how you operate, Gustav, so 309 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: we strongly advise you to leave the state. Don't make 310 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: this ugly. Yeah, you're right, then, he he was definitely 311 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: flushed with enemies. It looks almost as though he never 312 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: met a man or a woman, uh that he didn't 313 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: turn into an enemy as it turns as As it 314 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: turns out, the the woman from Santa Cruz, who herself 315 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: not a particularly law abiding citizens, she flouted the law, 316 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: flipped her testimony in exchange for ill gotten blood money. 317 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: You know, from the cold blooded burning alive of a 318 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: person with a developmental disability. She was going to take 319 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: that money and run with it. Um. But hey, surprise, surprise, 320 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: she got her instant karma too, and he didn't pay. 321 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: Could could have told her that was coming, not exactly 322 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: a sha balon. So she came a gun informed, didn't 323 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: she been? And he knew, he knew that the cops 324 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: are on the way. Uh. This, this angry person from 325 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: Santa Cruz was threatening to kill him, and if she 326 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: really wanted to burn down the house, she could also 327 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: take him to jail for witness tampering, um, knowing that 328 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: she would get charged with perjury. So he took He 329 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: took the famous advice that so many sketchy people have received, 330 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: were given to one another throughout the years, and he 331 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 1: high tailed it from Mexico. He went south of the border. 332 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: He went down south to get out of the heat, 333 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, wait for it to die down, 334 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: and there he would remain ben for a year's time. 335 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why I'm talking like. 336 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: I think it's from the AP report that we read 337 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: in the old timey language. I'm just kind of like 338 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: lapsing into that a little bit, yes time, And there 339 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: he took his constitutional indeed, well the better part of 340 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: four seasons, yes time. And as the season has passed 341 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: and he dissipated, so b been salid fourth yet again 342 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: for These States United, mopping his brow against the heat 343 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: of the Mexican son. Yes, yes, And so he returned 344 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: to California. He was next heard of in Sacramento, Sacramento, 345 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: which is the state capital of California. There we go, 346 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: can we get a correct answer game show? That's perfect? 347 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: How about? How about? How about can I get a 348 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: little round of applause? Do a little pat on the back? 349 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: Sound it? Now? It's fine, do any of that stuff, thanks, Casey. 350 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: So Broman has returned, and he's been living in Sacramento. 351 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: He had been visiting the house of a woman whose 352 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: last name was Brown, and he went to the chief 353 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: of police with a story, and he said, look, I 354 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: know we have a history, but I am coming to 355 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: you as a victim. Chief. I've been robbed. I've been 356 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: robbed of eight grand You gotta help me, Yeah, eight 357 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: big ones and some other colloquialisms for a thousand dollars 358 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: eight uh oh. In some writing. It would be a myle, 359 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: but it doesn't make sense spoken. Yeah, uh, acre, we 360 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: could make some up. Um similinas there you go. Yeah, 361 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: isn't similina the stuff that's in pasta? Yeah, there's also 362 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: similina flower. Yeah, that's why. That's that's what it is. 363 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: That's the flower that's that makes the pasta. Let's we 364 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: should keep going. I have a question for you. Yes, 365 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: what's the point of different pasta shapes? Oh? Some of 366 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: them hold sauces better in different ways, because it's really 367 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: it's like surface area. I've always been wondering that. Thank you, man, 368 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: that's what I That's what I heard. I'm also just 369 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: making this up, and I want to come clean with everybody. 370 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if W two stands for wealthy widow. Um, 371 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: right to your local I R S Agent and ask them. Yeah, 372 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: they'll they'll they'll be they'll get right back to you, 373 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure, and tell them we tell them, tell them 374 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: it's a matter of national security. Man, we're really we're 375 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: really dog paddling on this one, are we been? Well? Wait? Wait, 376 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: got Broman? Broman though this is an interesting turn, right. 377 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: He goes to the cops. He of all people, what 378 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: why would he do that? Because he said he got 379 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: robbed of eight Semlino's large But this man's on the 380 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: Belo list at every sheriff's office from Tijuana to San Louis, episbo. 381 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: It's speaking of like different times. Not only to do 382 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: the officers agreed to investigate this house with him, but 383 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: they let him come along as they execute the search warrant. 384 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: That's not done. That's not normal. Now, I couldn't do that. 385 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: I don't think they would do that. It was a 386 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: different time. It was a different time. So what happens 387 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: when they go in there, Well, the detectives searched detectives, officers, 388 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call him. They they searched the 389 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: premises and they found twenty bucks in gold, which it's 390 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: it's kind of a lot if you do the inflation thing. 391 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: What's that about? Two d bucks? Just I'm just don't 392 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: just spit ball in it here. You want to do 393 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: it for real? Oh yeah, let's do it for real 394 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 1: and not so twenty dollars in again around the eight 395 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: nineties would be five hundred and seventy five dollars six cents. Okay, 396 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: So so you know a decent little hall um, and 397 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: he roman told them that he this was something he 398 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: did because he's like, he's like the crazy old lady 399 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: that keeps all our money in a mattress, only he 400 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: keeps his under the carpet or h didn't beneath the 401 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: floorboards because of experience. Right, well, he'd been robbed. I 402 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: wonder why, he said, Oh see, you believe me now, 403 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: I got robbed once before, and since then, I always 404 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: mocked my coin, meaning what like like he writes his 405 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: name on it, like he maybe puts a specific scratch 406 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: on it so you can see that I got dimsies 407 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: that those are mine, which I hate touching change so much. 408 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: Would you consider a gold piece change though? I would 409 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: probably have to just suck it up. Didn't touch it, 410 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: put it in your mouth? No, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, 411 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. If well, uh no, he told the officer 412 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: to look behind the mirror, and then the officer found 413 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: a diamond ring. The police said, okay, wait, started interpt. 414 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: Did he have to tell the officers this is definitely 415 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: my coin because this is what the marketing looks like. Yeah, 416 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: he did that, Okay, I'm with you. Now I'm back 417 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,239 Speaker 1: I'm back in it because that proved he was associated, right, 418 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: But the police, for some reason still did not believe 419 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: he was on the up and up, and they said, 420 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: you know what, I think he's I don't know what 421 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: he's getting up to, but he's up to something. By gum, 422 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: I mean, did he really think he was gonna like 423 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: bamboozle some actual police officers to help him rob somebody's house. 424 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: Doesn't that seem kind of seem like what's going on here? 425 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: So he's a real bold fellawist whom so an officer 426 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: came from Sacramento to obtain his record at the at 427 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: the request of at request of the police. And remember 428 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: Mrs Lee Roy or Mrs Roy the widow on Vallejo Street, 429 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: she gets subpoenaed. She didn't ask for any of this, 430 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: Ben not. She's just a wealthy widow caught miss Man's crossfire. 431 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: You know, it's not right, it's not right. So it 432 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: turns out Broman had the widow arrested for stealing the 433 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: diamond ring that he gave her. I'm sorry all classes 434 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: adding insult to injury with what a D what a 435 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: giant D. Yeah, And the judge was like, lady you know, 436 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: this is this is this is tough. This is tough 437 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: all around. You should Roman arrested for perjury, so you know, 438 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: she swore out a warrant, but apparently it was never 439 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: solved and the case in Sacramento was dismissed. Back to 440 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: the top of the story, I'm a little confused about 441 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: what he had to gain from this whole log jam 442 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: in situation. Ah, there's an answer, there's an answer. Okay. 443 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: So I was confused too, because it was like, I 444 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: don't quite his schemes seem to become more and more ridiculous, 445 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: you know, increasingly circuitous. I always mocked my coin, my 446 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: cod I p on all of them. Right, it's a 447 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: it's it's very strange. It's like Tommy Wizo and the spoons, 448 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: you know. But here is the theory. The theory comes 449 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: from a guy named Detective Anthony, who was one of 450 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: the many law enforcement officials familiar with Broman's escapades. This 451 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: detective believes that Broman had purposely made a terribly, terribly 452 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: substandard boat because he wanted it to look like the 453 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: kind of thing that would easily sink, because he was 454 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: planning on the boat to be found bottom up in 455 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: some beach, and uh, he was going to essentially commit 456 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: pseudo side our favorite if the word for faking one's death. 457 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: Detective Anthony specifically says Broman will probably have his life 458 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: ensured for a big sum and after the boat has found, 459 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: a confederate will apply for the insurance money and he 460 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: and Broman will share it at his my belief from 461 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: my knowledge of this man. Question, sorry, I keep asking, 462 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: it's important. Why do this so conspicuously? Why make a 463 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: big show of it so he can have aunch of 464 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: witnesses that makes no sense, witnesses to his sad demise. Okay, 465 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: I guess that makes a lot. So it's like, oh, uh, 466 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,719 Speaker 1: four thousand people really did see him do it, And 467 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: now now we see why he was going to sail 468 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: down the coast to San Francisco first, and it made 469 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: up this cockamami story about what he was going to 470 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: do by turning his boat into a rail car. He 471 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: had no intention of doing that. He wanted somewhere but 472 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: tween uh Marshfield and San Francisco for his boat. He 473 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: wanted to disappear and have his boat wash up on 474 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: a remote area. You gotta give this guy at least 475 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: a little bit of credit for his massive massive that's 476 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: just so so massive. That's probably what kept capsizing the boat, 477 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: quite possibly, quite possibly. So, how does Detective Anthony's theory 478 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: measure up up? It measures measures what happened? What happened? Well, yeah, 479 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: he had a fifteen thousand dollars in life insurance policy 480 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: that he took out on himself from the United States 481 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: Accident Insurance Association. When when, when up, upon discovering this 482 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: whole scheme, promptly canceled his policy. Probably good business move 483 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: to do that. Surely this guy's reputation for insurance fraud 484 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: or at least his like. Because here's the thing, even 485 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: when you get paid out for insurre en policies, doesn't 486 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: that make it harder to get insured again? I guess 487 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: he insured his brother before though, But what a series 488 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: of red flags? You think? Well, that's the that's the 489 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: tough thing. Um. There's a great book called Playing Dead 490 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: which details the ways in which people can attempt to 491 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: fake their deaths. And the thing that gets most people 492 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: caught is when they attempt to receive some kind of 493 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: money from an insurance agency or a will. Because to 494 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: do that you have to have someone you can trust 495 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: who is able to collect for you, and they don't 496 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: really have any compelling reason to hold up their side 497 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: of the bargain, you know what I mean. It's also very, 498 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: very difficult to fake your death. Just in case you're wondering, 499 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: what can I, in this modern age do to make 500 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: my life more interesting, don't try to. Don't try to 501 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: fake your death. So that maybe a lieu of a 502 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: comic book recommendation, we could just do a book recommendation. 503 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: You read books playing dead. I read a Plaine Dead, 504 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: A Journey through the World of Death Fraud by Elizabeth Greenwood. 505 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: Weren't we going to maybe have an opportunity to interview 506 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: miss Greenwood? We did? We did stuff they don't want 507 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: you to know. Huh yeah, never quite happened. It was 508 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: that was that was our fault. I think I think 509 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: we were the ones who dropped the ball. And now 510 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: it's like sort of like forgetting someone's name and then 511 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: knowing them for years and then having to find it. 512 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: It's too late. You can't ask them any We can 513 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: follow I can follow up with the email thread from 514 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: I have an idea, what's your idea? Let's do it 515 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: for this show like a fresh start. There we go, 516 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: and let's pretend to be different people about that. What's 517 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: your what's your alter ego of choice lately? Oh man, 518 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it. On nex Powers astronaut 519 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: with a secret, that's a go to Yeah, nex powers 520 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: a secret. My mine is Neil Braun, Neil Braun Braun. 521 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: There we go. I'm a I'm a German attache. Nice, 522 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: I like it, or maybe i'll be Swedish. Nice, nice, 523 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: well done. I have been using the alias Casey Pegram 524 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: for quite some time, and I'm sorry about that. Casey. 525 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: I did have to stop. I don't know which one 526 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: of us it was, but the the heat got pretty 527 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: bad at jfk. Oh boy, Yeah, you've sullied my good name. 528 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: I think you sullied my fantastic alias Casey. Or maybe 529 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: there's a third Casey Pegram out there. There is, I've 530 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: seen him on Google. What Yeah, oh that's the one. 531 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: Then I was just having fun at a at an Applebee's. 532 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: Do you like Applebe's too? Ah? Yeah, you know, I'll 533 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 1: go to a Applebee's. What's their signature appetizer? Chicken? Crispers chicken? Yes, 534 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: some kind of chicken thing. We have to ask Paul. 535 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: Paul deck in Mission controlled decand is a huge fan 536 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: of the Applebee's because apparently when you're there your family, No, 537 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: that's olive guards. What are you at Applebee's. It's your 538 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: friendly neighborhood grill. There you go, there you go. And 539 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: by the way, I love the Monzarelli sticks. Monzrelli sticks 540 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: are usually you can't really mess up Monzarelli sticks. I've 541 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: seen it happen. It's not it can happen, they've but 542 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: they do a good job of it over at the Bees. 543 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: You like their at the Bees. So what you're saying 544 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: is they have a nice crispy exterior and a nice soft, 545 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: gooey into and they're not so hot that they burned 546 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: the roof of your mouth, and they're evenly cook and 547 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: are they are seasoned? Well, yeah, all the above. So 548 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: one time, this this has nothing to do with the 549 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: story of We're done right. We're basically now we're just 550 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: talking other chain restaurants. We're bringing some other restaurants. Well, 551 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: I wanted this thing about Applebee's for a long time. 552 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: I thought Paul was just pretending to like it, But 553 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: he's serious. We were on a video shoot one day, 554 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: and Casey, were you at that one? Absolutely? I was. 555 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: So we were on a video shoot one day years back, 556 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: and I think I was I was fuel producing or something. 557 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: I said, Okay, well we've we've wrapped this up. This 558 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: is a great shoot. It's time. It's time to grab lunch. 559 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: And we jokingly suggested to Paul that there was an 560 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: Applebee's nearby. He lost his mind and he had this 561 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: this shining almost no bowl childlike glee. I looked at 562 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: it more as the look of a madman. It's very similar, 563 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: kind of eyes glazed over, weird. Rict just smile and 564 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: we went and I think his his joy, his jubilation 565 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,439 Speaker 1: was contagious. So if you ever want to make Paul 566 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: deck and stay or apparently Casey pegroom's, then just uh, 567 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: send us some send us some Applebee's tickets, is that 568 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: the right one? Gift cards or something good cards keep 569 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: and buy those that your friendly neighborhood Kroger, CVS even Yeah, 570 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: or you could just leave us a review on your 571 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: podcast app of choice. Yeah, please do it, and don't 572 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,919 Speaker 1: don't don't be too harsh on us for this little 573 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: rambling tangent of an ending of the episode. We don't 574 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: do it that often. I don't think we're having a 575 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: good time. We're at the very end of the year 576 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: and the end of our ropes. And there are so 577 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: many there are so many casual dining restaurants that we 578 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: didn't get to mention. What about bob Evans. Was that 579 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: the one that's that's like only in like Pennsylvania, maybe 580 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 1: Canada and stuff. Yeah, they're us. Slogan is everybody is 581 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: somebody at bob Evans. Oh that's you know. The it's 582 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: also very like, yeah, it's we're all. We're all people. 583 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: We're all here at bob Evans. Have some pancakes. It's 584 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: a mistakesistential. Yeah, we are. We are punchy as can 585 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: be today. I love it. The universe is chaotic and 586 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,959 Speaker 1: meaningless at bob Evans. Bob Evans ben Um. We gotta 587 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: get out of Yeah, you know what, this is the No, 588 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: it's not sure we're gonna record, so it's true. Yeah, 589 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: this is the third. This is the Christmas episode. If 590 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: you want to plug that. Oh, Casey says, it's Christmas. 591 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, very popular holidays, very popular holiday, uh, you know, 592 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: celebrated by the religious and the secular alike, especially in 593 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: the US, especially in the U S. So um, happy holidays, 594 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, whatever you want to call it. To you 595 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,240 Speaker 1: and yours, hope you are having a wonderful time on 596 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,439 Speaker 1: one more or a bit round the sun. And as 597 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: you look back onen, we hope you find it more 598 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: full of fond memories than unpleasant ones. We hope that you, 599 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: regardless of your personal beliefs, get some get some quality 600 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: time in with your family. If you have that favorite 601 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: movie watch, or you have that favorite board game or 602 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: that family tradition, get together and play it. Yeah, Happy holidays, Uh, 603 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,919 Speaker 1: all the best from all of us to all of you. 604 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: Should all acquaintance be forgot on days of old Langston 605 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: lengths lengths sign Gustaf Roman. There you go, oh oh, 606 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: before we go this is we had to actually travel 607 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: back in time. We actually never even explained what the 608 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: milk shaped duck was. Right to make this correction because uh, 609 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: and that was I had explicitly promised that it was 610 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: the first sentence of the show of So to explain 611 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: what a milkshakeed duck is, we have to give a 612 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: shout out to a winter feed called a very pixelated 613 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: boat Christmas and this No Noel, you said you had 614 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: never heard of this before. Now I only heard of 615 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: it like the other day. Super producer Casey Pegram turned 616 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: me onto it, and I think you know what, Casey, 617 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: if you're okay with it, could you read the tweet 618 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: that gave us the phrase milkshake duck. Yeah. So this 619 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: is a tweet originally tweeted out June twelve, and it 620 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: has already kind of entered the Internet lexicon as like 621 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: shorthand for this phenomenon. So it says, the whole Internet 622 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: loves milkshake duck, a lovely duck that drinks milkshakes. Five 623 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,760 Speaker 1: seconds later, we regret to inform you the duck is racist. 624 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: So Gustaf Broman in that case, in this sense, is 625 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,760 Speaker 1: a milkshake duck because he was, for a very brief time, 626 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: this American hero