WEBVTT - That Was A Quick Hanging 0:00:01.890 --> 0:00:05.750 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the 0:00:05.769 --> 0:00:07.750 George Washington Broadcast Center. 0:00:07.810 --> 0:00:12.069 Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now, 0:00:12.470 --> 0:00:17.260 here's Armstrong and Getty. 0:00:23.700 --> 0:00:25.349 We have no idea what it was. 0:00:25.430 --> 0:00:27.090 It was a tremendous boom. 0:00:27.110 --> 0:00:29.110 A gigantic sonic boom. 0:00:29.330 --> 0:00:32.070 The air is filled with hundreds of thousands of pieces 0:00:32.110 --> 0:00:34.390 of paper that are just sort of floating like confetti. 0:00:34.610 --> 0:00:38.339 Stuff just started falling like bricks and paper and everything. 0:00:38.780 --> 0:00:40.340 When I looked over, there was this guy that was 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:40.860 on fire. 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.100 He was like screaming, and I just told him to roll, roll, 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:45.140 and he said he can't. He caught fire as a 0:00:45.180 --> 0:00:46.580 result of the falling debris? 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:49.870 So, Michael, I'm going to set up 36 here, and 0:00:49.890 --> 0:00:56.060 on that morning with the blue sky... and virtually every 0:00:56.100 --> 0:01:01.040 news camera available focused on the burning first tower. Well, 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.280 people wondered what the hell happened. This happened. 0:01:03.930 --> 0:01:06.150 Oh, my God. Another plane has just hit. 0:01:06.370 --> 0:01:07.509 Oh, another one just hit. 0:01:07.610 --> 0:01:12.619 Oh, my God. Oh, my goodness. 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:13.160 Oh, God. 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:15.380 There's another one. There was another one. 0:01:15.459 --> 0:01:15.839 Explosion. 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.160 One of our producers said perhaps a second plane was involved. 0:01:19.180 --> 0:01:37.380 You saw a plane? So a lot of people are 0:01:37.420 --> 0:01:40.819 telling their where were you, what were you doing stories. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.880 And I don't find many of them terribly compelling. I'll 0:01:45.900 --> 0:01:48.160 just say that Jack and I were off. He was 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.080 in Great Britain, and I was dropping my kids off 0:01:51.140 --> 0:01:54.320 at school, which is something I almost never do, can do, 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.040 because I've made my living in morning radio for years 0:01:57.060 --> 0:02:00.050 and years and years. And it was such a pleasure. 0:02:00.290 --> 0:02:02.810 And I knew that one plane had hit the building 0:02:02.910 --> 0:02:06.970 and thought, like so many of us, How could that happen? 0:02:07.170 --> 0:02:11.560 That seems too unlikely to be an accident, but what 0:02:11.590 --> 0:02:14.160 could it mean, huh? And then as soon as we 0:02:14.180 --> 0:02:16.880 got to the elementary school, one of our kids' friends' 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:18.900 moms came up and said, did you hear a second 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.300 plane hit the tower? And I said to my wife, honey, 0:02:21.380 --> 0:02:24.100 I've got to go to work, and ran home and 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.299 took a lightning shower and was on the air for 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:30.720 the next however long. And I think we all reacted 0:02:30.940 --> 0:02:35.130 that way. way on that day, as did, obviously, the 0:02:35.169 --> 0:02:45.050 president and the administration. Here, and Jack addressed this fairly 0:02:45.110 --> 0:02:48.110 forcefully earlier in the show, we're not in the sad, 0:02:48.190 --> 0:02:53.030 sad morning mode here. We're in the, let's appraise the 0:02:53.070 --> 0:02:56.480 current threat of Islamic extremism. Let's learn whatever lessons we 0:02:56.540 --> 0:02:59.700 can from the attacks and our response to it. the 0:02:59.740 --> 0:03:01.679 things we did right, the things we did wrong, those 0:03:01.700 --> 0:03:04.079 who are truly mourning, you have our sympathy, and those 0:03:04.100 --> 0:03:07.820 who are comforting the mourning, you have our sympathy. And 0:03:08.590 --> 0:03:12.130 at 9, at Ground Zero, rather, during the reading of 0:03:12.169 --> 0:03:16.130 the names of the victims, Mayor Mamdani and AOC were 0:03:16.290 --> 0:03:19.190 yucking it up. I just saw the video. They're laughing 0:03:19.210 --> 0:03:22.109 and talking to each other as the names were being 0:03:22.210 --> 0:03:25.750 read by the families of the victims. I've not been 0:03:25.790 --> 0:03:29.090 comfortable with Mamdani being there, being the mayor of New 0:03:29.130 --> 0:03:30.570 York City for a long time, and I've made that 0:03:30.610 --> 0:03:32.389 pretty clear for reasons that we'll be talking about in 0:03:32.410 --> 0:03:36.830 a second, but I found that absolutely disgusting. Absolutely disgusting, 0:03:36.870 --> 0:03:39.390 and I hope everybody in America hears it. So on 0:03:39.450 --> 0:03:49.060 that topic, or season, has anybody figured out precisely when 0:03:49.780 --> 0:03:55.160 43B happened? No, I'm sorry, 44B. happened, Bush and Condoleezza 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.390 Rice talking. It was fairly recently because they're both on 0:03:58.430 --> 0:04:02.830 in years. Go ahead and play that, Michael. 0:04:03.390 --> 0:04:06.310 I want you to talk about a couple of those events. 0:04:06.330 --> 0:04:10.560 You talked about going to the Islamic Center and trying 0:04:10.620 --> 0:04:14.980 to make sure that our Muslim American citizens knew that 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.659 we didn't blame them for what had happened. 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:19.790 I also made it clear that Islam was a religion 0:04:19.820 --> 0:04:23.030 of peace. not a religion of war, and that these 0:04:23.070 --> 0:04:28.650 people subverted their religion. Yes. You know, I get trying 0:04:28.770 --> 0:04:32.470 to sell that to the Muslims of the world, but 0:04:32.990 --> 0:04:36.570 they don't care what you think, Mr. President. To suggest 0:04:36.610 --> 0:04:39.770 that Islam as a whole, as a religion of peace, 0:04:40.070 --> 0:04:45.080 is stupid almost to the point of being hilarious. It 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:53.750 is utterly untrue. Here's my preface, my disclaimer. Hundreds of 0:04:53.790 --> 0:04:57.770 years ago, Christians would slaughter the hell out of each 0:04:57.860 --> 0:05:02.419 other over whether you're the right brand of Christian. It's horrible. 0:05:02.460 --> 0:05:04.640 I just happened to be reading about an incident in 0:05:04.700 --> 0:05:09.600 England back in the 1600s. Just horrible and indefensible. I mean, 0:05:09.660 --> 0:05:17.960 as a Christian especially. Christianity reformed. Thank God. No pun intended. 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:26.970 And there are folks... of the Muslim faith who are 0:05:27.190 --> 0:05:32.310 similarly attached to their religion as a personal expression of faith, 0:05:32.390 --> 0:05:38.880 belief in God, etc. And they have no more intention 0:05:38.980 --> 0:05:42.300 or desire to harm me or America or anywhere else 0:05:42.620 --> 0:05:45.420 than the Lutherans down the street. They are, and I 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:49.980 know a fair number, lovely, lovely people. They follow a 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:55.460 different religion. But the vast majority of Islam around the 0:05:55.500 --> 0:06:00.620 world is not reformed. It is substantially fundamentalist. And if 0:06:00.700 --> 0:06:05.440 you know the Koran and know Muhammad, it is, from 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:09.570 the beginning, a religion and a political system that are 0:06:10.550 --> 0:06:14.250 inextricable from each other. There is no notion of the 0:06:14.450 --> 0:06:21.370 secular in Islam. Fundamentalist Islam. Reformed Islam there is. But 0:06:21.690 --> 0:06:26.690 the reformed people, aside from getting my sympathy, because they're 0:06:26.710 --> 0:06:29.360 in a hell of a bad position, and I'll explain 0:06:29.380 --> 0:06:32.339 why in a second. They're almost irrelevant to the question 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:34.900 because there are hundreds of millions of people who believe 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.820 Islam is the way a society should be run, period, 0:06:38.290 --> 0:06:40.990 and that it is okay to torture, to kill, to enslave, 0:06:41.050 --> 0:06:45.450 to marry children, etc. There are instances where rape is permissible, 0:06:45.490 --> 0:06:49.030 especially of nonbelievers. All of that stuff is still believed 0:06:49.070 --> 0:06:52.590 by hundreds of millions of people. And it's a relentlessly 0:06:52.730 --> 0:06:56.570 expansionist worldview as well and has been from the beginning 0:06:56.750 --> 0:07:01.370 of Islam back to the time of the Prophet. And 0:07:01.390 --> 0:07:05.090 what's truly unfortunate, and this is what I said I 0:07:05.110 --> 0:07:07.500 would get to, for folks who are of a reformed 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:12.080 Muslim mindset, who, again, are my brothers and sisters, my 0:07:12.140 --> 0:07:16.600 fellow Americans, my neighbors, God bless you, however you see God. 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:21.429 But the problem for them is, just like we were 0:07:21.460 --> 0:07:24.610 talking about the Marxists, how they understand, all right, what 0:07:24.710 --> 0:07:28.270 are the real levers in American society? What are the 0:07:28.390 --> 0:07:34.830 powerful words? What are the accusations you can make that 0:07:34.870 --> 0:07:37.570 make people shut up and say, sorry, sorry, I didn't 0:07:37.590 --> 0:07:41.510 mean that, I'm sorry? Calling them a bigot is like 0:07:41.770 --> 0:07:43.910 number one in America after our struggle with the civil 0:07:43.950 --> 0:07:47.230 rights era and our history, which is not different from 0:07:47.370 --> 0:07:48.850 any other country on earth, by the way. Don't let 0:07:48.890 --> 0:07:50.850 the Marxists tell you it is. I mean, it's different, 0:07:50.890 --> 0:07:56.740 but it's not like fundamentally different. If you call somebody 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:01.490 an Islamophobe, which is a word you should never, ever use. Again, 0:08:01.550 --> 0:08:06.610 to quote Andrew Cummins, the writer, it is, Islamophobia is 0:08:06.650 --> 0:08:09.570 a word created by fascists and used by cowards to 0:08:09.610 --> 0:08:13.590 manipulate morons. So never use that word. But if you 0:08:13.630 --> 0:08:16.370 accuse somebody of being a bigot, or you point out 0:08:16.530 --> 0:08:22.070 not all Muslims are Islamists, Islamists, Islamofascists, whatever you want 0:08:22.090 --> 0:08:26.280 to call them, that's absolutely true. But the problem is 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:31.350 that the Islamists understand that. And the absolutely terrible position 0:08:31.390 --> 0:08:35.709 that reformed Muslims are in is that strategy number one 0:08:36.130 --> 0:08:40.030 of the hardcore Islamists is to claim up and down 0:08:40.250 --> 0:08:45.910 and swear that they're not that, that they're reformed Muslims. 0:08:46.010 --> 0:08:50.410 And you, for instance, suggesting that it's inappropriate that they're 0:08:50.429 --> 0:08:55.329 chuckling at the 9-11 memorial is bigotry. I am not bigoted. 0:08:55.830 --> 0:08:58.090 I know that so I can say it with confidence. 0:08:59.780 --> 0:09:02.219 For the millionth time, I've been studying political movements since 0:09:02.260 --> 0:09:05.760 I was a teenager. Fundamentalist Islam is one of the 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:11.490 most widespread, powerful, and dangerous political movements on Earth. Period. 0:09:13.750 --> 0:09:18.330 And to be afraid to say that because you're afraid 0:09:18.390 --> 0:09:22.949 of being called a bigot or an Islamophobe or whatever is, 0:09:24.410 --> 0:09:29.569 it's soft-headedness which I could excuse if it didn't result 0:09:29.830 --> 0:09:40.390 in what Gad Saad calls suicidal empathy. It's like the 0:09:40.770 --> 0:09:45.949 young women that we've played a few weeks ago who say, 0:09:46.030 --> 0:09:48.500 you know, if I was raped, I don't know that 0:09:48.550 --> 0:09:53.480 I would report it because our judicial system, our carceral system, 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:58.920 our prisons are part of structural racism, and if the 0:09:58.970 --> 0:10:01.120 person was a person of color, I would feel bad. 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:06.439 That's suicidal empathy. And that's the problem with being unwilling 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.160 to call out Islamism for what it is, because they're 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.959 counting on that. They depend on that. They need that. 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.920 And then you've got the unholy, and I mean that, 0:10:17.980 --> 0:10:20.679 alliance between the Marxists and the Islamists because they both 0:10:20.750 --> 0:10:23.410 know that they're useful to each other. And when the 0:10:23.450 --> 0:10:26.110 revolution comes and the West falls, then they will fight 0:10:26.190 --> 0:10:30.890 for control of it. And who wins depends. Look at Iran. Well, 0:10:31.130 --> 0:10:33.880 they won that one. You look at Soviet Union, they 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.739 snuffed all the Islamists. At the dawn of the Soviet Union, 0:10:36.780 --> 0:10:38.380 you probably don't know this because they don't teach it 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:42.830 to you. There was a significant Islamist movement. There is 0:10:43.050 --> 0:10:45.950 in practically every country on earth. And they snuffed the 0:10:45.970 --> 0:10:48.170 hell out of those people because they were a threat 0:10:48.190 --> 0:10:53.890 to the communists. Anyway, I wanted to get to one 0:10:53.990 --> 0:10:57.570 column that I'd read that really made the points I'm 0:10:57.590 --> 0:11:00.890 trying to make eloquently clear. And I'd assembled a handful 0:11:00.910 --> 0:11:04.720 of stories to illustrate it, and I've got like five 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:08.240 of them. It could have been 50, because there are 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:14.980 so many. But here's, in England, there's a new law 0:11:15.100 --> 0:11:18.080 that face coverings are going to be banned in major 0:11:18.140 --> 0:11:24.280 British cities within days to prevent masked protesters from committing 0:11:24.490 --> 0:11:27.430 acts of mayhem. Maybe you support that, maybe you don't. 0:11:28.620 --> 0:11:33.440 But burqas will be exempt. Traditional Islamic face coverings will 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:37.220 be exempt. So as the writer John Edwards, not the 0:11:37.300 --> 0:11:40.540 slimy South Carolina politician, but a British writer puts it, 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:44.920 we're rapidly moving towards a two-tier society where Islam has 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:49.340 a privileged place with special exemptions and protections spanning animal welfare, 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.640 free speech, blasphemy laws, and now civil liberties and freedom 0:11:52.679 --> 0:12:00.750 of assembly. And he's absolutely correct. You've got this. Abdul El-Sayed, 0:12:00.890 --> 0:12:07.719 the Michigan Democratic Senate candidate, spoke last weekend at an 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.760 Islamic convention in Detroit, and his speech was sandwiched between 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:16.069 a video montage featuring a firebrand imam declaring that America 0:12:16.140 --> 0:12:19.350 is going down and a speech from another cleric who 0:12:19.390 --> 0:12:23.550 said members of Congress who voted for the anti-Semitism bill 0:12:23.910 --> 0:12:29.309 were guilty of treason. he was amongst Islamists, the hardcore 0:12:29.350 --> 0:12:33.990 people I'm talking about. Muhammad Al-Said, uh, I'm sorry, Abdul 0:12:34.070 --> 0:12:40.679 Al-Said felt comfortable enough during the election season to consort 0:12:40.700 --> 0:12:46.300 with these people openly. That level of comfort alone should 0:12:46.340 --> 0:12:50.260 be a little, uh, disturbing to you. Uh, but again, 0:12:50.300 --> 0:12:52.000 I've got, you know, I've got a bunch more examples 0:12:52.020 --> 0:12:53.240 of that, but we're kind of out of time. You 0:12:53.260 --> 0:12:57.490 get the idea anyway. Um, Where this goes from here 0:12:57.650 --> 0:13:00.730 is the most fascinating question to me when we're thinking 0:13:00.770 --> 0:13:05.580 about 9-11. Because Al-Qaeda has gotten the hell beat out 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:10.699 of it. ISIS is mostly a non-factor as we understood 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.540 it back when they had the caliphate in Iraq slash Syria, 0:13:13.580 --> 0:13:19.080 that area. But you've got massive Islamist movements, incredibly well-armed 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.990 in Africa right now and in the Middle East. And 0:13:23.210 --> 0:13:27.550 obviously the Taliban is running Afghanistan again. So they remain 0:13:27.570 --> 0:13:33.140 an incredibly powerful and an incredibly capable political movement that's 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.280 utterly opposed to the West and everything we hold dear. 0:13:36.740 --> 0:13:38.340 There's not a shred of the Bill of Rights that 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.619 would survive. So more on 9-11 and a bunch of 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:49.050 different stories to come. Stay with us. Coming up, Rick 0:13:49.090 --> 0:13:53.150 Springfield killed a guy. But first, look, everybody, it's the co-host, 0:13:53.290 --> 0:13:54.230 Jack Armstrong. 0:13:54.690 --> 0:13:56.209 Hey, I'm back from jury duty. 0:13:56.690 --> 0:13:59.230 Welcome. How'd it go? Boy, that was a quick hang 0:13:59.290 --> 0:14:01.960 and well done. I shoved over the podium, I yelled, 0:14:03.340 --> 0:14:05.560 and ran out the door. Wow. 0:14:06.500 --> 0:14:09.740 I'm currently hiding in a barn, having been helped by Dr. 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:09.960 Mudd. 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:11.980 John Wilkes Bonehead. 0:14:13.990 --> 0:14:15.970 Now, I will tell my jury duty story, which is 0:14:16.150 --> 0:14:19.010 already interesting, which is, you know, one of the reasons 0:14:19.050 --> 0:14:21.390 I was excited about going. I'll tell that story coming 0:14:21.430 --> 0:14:21.750 up next. 0:14:22.430 --> 0:14:22.670 Yeah. 0:14:22.730 --> 0:14:23.030 Okay. 0:14:23.150 --> 0:14:23.510 Excellent. 0:14:23.690 --> 0:14:26.790 Excellent. Plus, Rick Springfield killed a guy. I want to 0:14:26.810 --> 0:14:27.410 be on that jury. 0:14:28.290 --> 0:14:28.670 Wow. 0:14:28.930 --> 0:14:29.330 Yeah. 0:14:29.530 --> 0:14:30.220 Go ahead, Michael. 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:30.560 Play 22 for us. 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:36.380 Rocker Rick Springfield, singer of Jessie's Girl, revealing to Joe 0:14:36.420 --> 0:14:39.540 Rogan he killed a man in Vietnam while he was 0:14:39.580 --> 0:14:42.370 there performing for troops. He said it happened during the 0:14:42.430 --> 0:14:45.950 war in 1968 before he was famous and adding he 0:14:46.010 --> 0:14:48.770 was staying at a U.S. Navy encampment when it came 0:14:48.810 --> 0:14:51.170 under attack. He said he threw a mortar that hit 0:14:51.190 --> 0:14:55.330 a Viet Cong attacker. Springfield says that experience never left him. 0:14:55.730 --> 0:14:58.240 What? He threw a mortar? 0:14:58.390 --> 0:14:59.380 Why did he have a mortar? 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.420 How old was he? Is that a thing? 0:15:01.970 --> 0:15:02.510 Wasn't he like 12? 0:15:02.510 --> 0:15:04.990 How old was he? So many questions. 0:15:05.390 --> 0:15:05.530 Right. 0:15:05.550 --> 0:15:08.450 Oh, he's like 72 or something and performs shirtless now. 0:15:08.490 --> 0:15:10.290 He's ripped. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:15:10.350 --> 0:15:11.030 I saw him live. 0:15:11.050 --> 0:15:13.510 Kudos. Yeah. Who could forget? 0:15:14.170 --> 0:15:16.070 I really liked his first two albums. I know that 0:15:16.090 --> 0:15:16.740 makes me gay, but. 0:15:17.310 --> 0:15:19.490 That was great pop music. Why not? If it makes 0:15:19.510 --> 0:15:22.230 you happy, that's good music for you. Dar, what was 0:15:22.270 --> 0:15:27.270 I going to say? Oh, yeah, the idea of you 0:15:27.310 --> 0:15:32.120 were there during an attack in Vietnam and... Again, I ask, 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.720 is Mortar throwing a thing? I don't know. 0:15:37.030 --> 0:15:39.530 He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that 0:15:39.570 --> 0:15:43.750 makes crap up like that, although he is very hot-tempered 0:15:43.810 --> 0:15:45.490 when I saw him in concert. 0:15:45.790 --> 0:15:46.030 Yes. 0:15:47.220 --> 0:15:51.980 Plus, he's envious of Jesse and his liaison, as he 0:15:52.020 --> 0:15:54.240 made clear in song. I'm told we'll have the story 0:15:54.300 --> 0:15:54.670 coming up. 0:15:56.250 --> 0:15:58.190 Katie can fill it in, right? Or is that why 0:15:58.210 --> 0:15:59.890 you're looking like that, Katie? No, I was just going 0:15:59.910 --> 0:16:01.810 to tell you he was 17 when this happened. 0:16:02.010 --> 0:16:02.270 Okay. 0:16:02.570 --> 0:16:02.970 Wow. 0:16:03.150 --> 0:16:03.390 Yeah. 0:16:03.650 --> 0:16:05.630 What an amazing experience. I mean, to go and play 0:16:05.650 --> 0:16:08.850 for the troops in Vietnam, I almost said I would 0:16:08.870 --> 0:16:09.470 have killed for that. 0:16:09.530 --> 0:16:09.850 He did. 0:16:09.870 --> 0:16:12.990 But as a teenage rock and roll guy, to go 0:16:13.030 --> 0:16:14.610 play for the troops would have been incredible. 0:16:16.860 --> 0:16:22.040 Yeah. He was on Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan wanted to 0:16:22.060 --> 0:16:23.040 talk to Rick Springfield. 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.810 Yeah. I would talk to him, I guess. Anyway, that 0:16:28.850 --> 0:16:32.330 wasn't a showstopper, but it certainly slowed it down. I'm sorry, 0:16:32.350 --> 0:16:35.810 I'm just picturing a young musician there. Now, we've both 0:16:36.130 --> 0:16:40.330 ridden along with various police forces, and on a couple 0:16:40.350 --> 0:16:42.880 of occasions, the cops said, listen, this is highly unlikely, 0:16:42.930 --> 0:16:45.900 but if everything goes completely nuts, here's how you get 0:16:45.940 --> 0:16:48.240 the shotgun out. And I'm like, okay. 0:16:48.940 --> 0:16:51.260 I saw him in a tiny, tiny little venue with 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.110 like 100 other people, and he wanted to kill his 0:16:54.180 --> 0:16:56.910 sound guy like he wanted to kill that guy in Vietnam. 0:16:57.090 --> 0:17:00.950 Wow. Wow, he had properly vented all of his rage 0:17:00.990 --> 0:17:03.210 in Vietnam, apparently. He was so angry. 0:17:03.230 --> 0:17:06.350 I want to tell you about my jury experience. Brushing 0:17:06.430 --> 0:17:10.720 up against the regular man. It's always interesting. 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:11.520 Oh, boy. 0:17:13.260 --> 0:17:14.359 Armstrong and Getty. 0:17:16.070 --> 0:17:18.170 So I had jury duty. I was gone. If you're 0:17:18.190 --> 0:17:20.389 just tuning in, I was gone for an hour, a 0:17:21.730 --> 0:17:24.930 little over an hour. And I thought I'd be gone 0:17:24.970 --> 0:17:27.919 longer than that. I didn't. I wish they'd have communicated 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.080 better what they were doing today or I wouldn't have 0:17:30.100 --> 0:17:33.320 gone in at all. You were allowed to Zoom, which 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:36.840 I didn't understand how that worked exactly. Plus, it's only 0:17:36.859 --> 0:17:39.000 a couple of miles from my house and I wanted 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:42.870 the experience of being there. All it was was they 0:17:42.900 --> 0:17:45.630 went through everybody's name and said, do you have a hardship? 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.400 And they answered yes or no. And if your answer 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.530 was no, you got up and left. Well, I could 0:17:51.550 --> 0:17:56.830 have done that over Zoom. Interesting, the description of a hardship. 0:17:57.490 --> 0:17:59.649 He said he's going to be very strict. They're seating 0:17:59.910 --> 0:18:04.070 three juries for three four-day trials. I have to go 0:18:04.130 --> 0:18:08.410 in Monday at 10. And I was kind of doing 0:18:08.430 --> 0:18:10.869 the counting on the screen and in the room and 0:18:11.070 --> 0:18:13.030 looks like about they're gonna need like half of us 0:18:13.850 --> 0:18:16.850 to get three three full juries for four try for 0:18:16.869 --> 0:18:19.650 uh three trials for four days but anyway um we'll 0:18:19.670 --> 0:18:22.600 see if i make the cut next week but a 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:27.359 couple of things um so i park and i'm walking 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.300 and i don't know where i'm going I'd never been 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:31.940 into this courthouse since they built the new courthouse. And 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.580 I see guys with blue cards like I got. And 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:35.719 I run up next to him. I say, hey, you 0:18:35.740 --> 0:18:37.179 got a blue card like me. I assume you know 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.280 where you're going. He said, yeah, you haven't been here before. 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:39.679 I said, no. 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:41.380 He said, well, you're going to be here all day. 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.020 He said, the last three times I've done this where 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.160 it's all day. So it turned out it wasn't even 0:18:45.570 --> 0:18:48.190 hardly five minutes, depending on where your name was in 0:18:48.210 --> 0:18:48.570 the list. 0:18:49.410 --> 0:18:49.770 Wow. 0:18:49.869 --> 0:18:50.830 How interesting. 0:18:51.390 --> 0:18:51.810 Yeah. 0:18:52.010 --> 0:18:54.970 People really rearrange their schedule a lot to go in 0:18:55.010 --> 0:18:56.530 there to answer. No. 0:18:56.770 --> 0:18:57.270 Okay. Go home. 0:18:57.970 --> 0:19:02.590 All right. But he said the judge said he was 0:19:02.609 --> 0:19:05.870 going to be really strict with hardships, and I understand 0:19:05.930 --> 0:19:08.690 why you need to be. He said having to rearrange 0:19:08.750 --> 0:19:11.490 things for your life or, hey, I'm going to miss 0:19:11.550 --> 0:19:15.540 work is not a hardship. And if you answered yes, 0:19:15.900 --> 0:19:18.240 you had to stay there until they went through everybody, 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.000 and then he was going to talk to everybody and 0:19:20.020 --> 0:19:22.760 get into the details about your supposed hardship and then 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.000 make a ruling whether that counted as a hardship or not. 0:19:25.580 --> 0:19:29.420 Yeah, I've seen that process, and they don't take any guff. 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.300 Well, they shouldn't. I mean, it's going to be really 0:19:32.340 --> 0:19:34.300 annoying for me. I've got to figure out a whole 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:36.560 bunch of child care stuff that is going to be 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:37.800 a pain in the ass, and I'm not even sure 0:19:37.820 --> 0:19:40.200 I've got people to do it. But, you know, if 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.230 everybody got out of jury duty because they have a 0:19:43.310 --> 0:19:46.070 job or child care, there'd be nobody on a jury. 0:19:47.650 --> 0:19:50.450 First of all, running up there, it said on the card, 0:19:50.530 --> 0:19:53.649 business casual, you know, dress appropriately for the courtroom. This 0:19:53.710 --> 0:19:56.119 is an important civic duty and all that. And I 0:19:56.150 --> 0:20:00.619 dressed business casual. There are plenty of dudes in shorts, flip-flops, 0:20:00.900 --> 0:20:02.920 tank tops, and backwards ball caps. 0:20:03.420 --> 0:20:03.660 Yeah. 0:20:04.980 --> 0:20:07.160 They didn't care much about that particular order or don't 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.640 know what it means. I often wonder stuff like that. 0:20:09.660 --> 0:20:11.520 Is that people? It's like, if you all do what 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:14.100 I want or like they don't know what that means 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.710 or they didn't read the card or what is that? 0:20:17.590 --> 0:20:17.909 Wow. 0:20:17.950 --> 0:20:21.950 Probably some of from each category, I guess. And then 0:20:22.290 --> 0:20:24.650 the other the other part, they should be admonished. Did 0:20:24.690 --> 0:20:29.149 the judge admonish them? I'm not a get dressed up 0:20:29.190 --> 0:20:32.010 sort of guy, but I feel like. I might be 0:20:32.050 --> 0:20:34.150 sending somebody to prison for the rest of their life. 0:20:34.350 --> 0:20:36.840 I feel like I had to dress like it's, you know, 0:20:36.890 --> 0:20:39.560 kind of an important thing. Not like it's a day 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:40.420 at the beach. Yes. 0:20:40.580 --> 0:20:45.060 I wore a shirt with a collar. Also on the 0:20:45.100 --> 0:20:49.200 Zoom thing. So I think there were as many people 0:20:49.300 --> 0:20:52.520 on Zoom as there were in the courtroom. And maybe 0:20:52.540 --> 0:20:54.119 they knew what we were doing today. I should have 0:20:54.140 --> 0:20:58.450 been on Zoom. But just hilarious. And this is like 0:20:58.530 --> 0:21:01.790 any business Zoom call, only worse because you're dealing with 0:21:01.910 --> 0:21:06.090 the masses. And when you deal with the masses, you realize, 0:21:07.170 --> 0:21:09.650 when you just do the random masses, you probably can't 0:21:09.690 --> 0:21:13.109 get a better cross-section of random than you can in 0:21:13.130 --> 0:21:14.970 jury pools, can you? I don't know what it would be. 0:21:15.770 --> 0:21:15.950 Right. 0:21:17.130 --> 0:21:19.890 And when you do that, you realize, I really hang 0:21:19.930 --> 0:21:25.179 around with people like myself. I do not hang out 0:21:25.300 --> 0:21:29.620 with just the random people as much as I think 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:31.960 I do. And none of us do, really. Right. 0:21:32.180 --> 0:21:32.400 Yeah. 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:32.780 Yeah. 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.639 Unless you deal with the public routinely. 0:21:35.940 --> 0:21:36.840 Even then. 0:21:38.010 --> 0:21:40.459 But in your personal life, you certainly self-select. I think 0:21:40.510 --> 0:21:41.010 that's the term. 0:21:41.369 --> 0:21:44.909 Like, you work at a restaurant, it's still selective on 0:21:44.950 --> 0:21:48.750 a certain level of a kind of people. Mm-hmm. Because 0:21:48.770 --> 0:21:50.570 you'd have people that are too good for the restaurant 0:21:50.609 --> 0:21:53.810 that you work at and people that are... Beneath the 0:21:53.850 --> 0:21:56.910 restaurant you work at. You're here, and you got everybody. 0:21:57.650 --> 0:21:59.790 Sir, you are beneath this Denny's. 0:22:00.070 --> 0:22:03.350 Now, get. 0:22:03.369 --> 0:22:06.410 Yeah, that's funny. So they got all these people. 0:22:06.430 --> 0:22:09.340 There's like 30 people up on this Zoom screen, and 0:22:09.730 --> 0:22:13.640 we all know the mute-unmute problem in business settings. But 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:17.460 those are people that are capable of working wherever you work, 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:19.920 and they still struggle a little bit. With this group, 0:22:20.300 --> 0:22:23.659 it was just... hilarious so you got some sort of 0:22:23.700 --> 0:22:27.020 guy in a cop outfit whatever his job is telling 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:30.660 everybody to mute before the judge even comes out and 0:22:30.780 --> 0:22:34.260 uh everybody and it's just a cacophony of noise coming 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:37.480