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Speaker 2: He just joined squad. Other boys? Are you serious? We're
Speaker 2: gonna do this, y'all know, like he did, go ahead
Speaker 2: and introduce the rest of.
Speaker 5: The going around around Maggy form a cowboy got buried
Speaker 5: Church for a cowboy, I struggs.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, all right boy, I'm crazy man.
Speaker 2: Let me take my head off.
Speaker 5: Y'all don really like that. I'm like, I'm not gonna
Speaker 5: stop wearing my green. Okay, this is my this is
Speaker 5: my uni. Okay, you've been rocking green for about the week,
Speaker 5: you know, ever since at one.
Speaker 2: Store the bird hold on give him so much. I
Speaker 2: don't know that they don't know about the time. I
Speaker 2: don't know nothing about the time. You don't know nothing
Speaker 2: about exactly. This is your own. Don't leave his own
Speaker 2: more fans.
Speaker 6: He's not there no more so. I mean, I guess
Speaker 6: now you're a saint. Guys, what they got?
Speaker 2: How much money do they have? Here's a new bag.
Speaker 2: You get a bag. You get a bag, You get
Speaker 2: a bag.
Speaker 5: Mars was not he saw the bag, so the SAQ
Speaker 5: one bag? Was we going to the courthouse? No ceremony needed,
Speaker 5: No we going to the courthouse. Don't even worry about it.
Speaker 5: We ain't gonna make this mistake. Go ahead, and this,
Speaker 5: this is the first mistake we made. We're gonna re
Speaker 5: up this because we already know how we got to
Speaker 5: the super Bowl was on them legs.
Speaker 2: Speak on it, okay, what he say back in the day,
Speaker 2: we got some good thing here.
Speaker 6: When you got a good thing, you gotta lock it
Speaker 6: down right away.
Speaker 2: No need to know. You just show up at Auntie.
Speaker 2: How you be like? I didn't know y'all was married to.
Speaker 5: The How is my man in New York still have
Speaker 5: a job? Man?
Speaker 2: What was his name? Martin?
Speaker 5: That mar.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you how you got a job.
Speaker 6: His son, you've seen his son made the calling who
Speaker 6: he said he should have drafted, and look what happened.
Speaker 6: He said. They said, hey, you listen to your son.
Speaker 6: Take this pic this year your last struct should be
Speaker 6: listening to it.
Speaker 5: Joe Shane, Giants, Jim got Let's be nice, must be nice,
Speaker 5: must be nice?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: How many?
Speaker 5: How many times can you make a mistake and you
Speaker 5: see it pay off on another team?
Speaker 2: You see.
Speaker 5: Where is Daniel Joe? He's somebody back up? Dis Wow,
Speaker 5: you hate to see it.
Speaker 7: Damn Joe always like, hey there's Nico. Wow, exactly, get
Speaker 7: it out, get off.
Speaker 2: It can always be worse. It can all you know
Speaker 2: the Murphy's law.
Speaker 5: The Murphy's law is it relates to the MAVs is
Speaker 5: never mind, not gonna do this.
Speaker 2: It's a different day, different day, different show. Let's go,
Speaker 2: let's go.
Speaker 3: Because somebody brought up Nico Harrison and I said, you
Speaker 3: see the Giants.
Speaker 2: Gym said, y'all will go. Spike guy. His owner was like,
Speaker 2: I'm mad if I see him in Philly.
Speaker 3: So not only did you see him in Philly, you
Speaker 3: saw him running up and down against you and Philly
Speaker 3: see the guy hoisting the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: You know that historic historic was.
Speaker 3: That's what's happening in the NFC East with the team
Speaker 3: that won the division and then the team also made
Speaker 3: the wild card whose former coaches Dan Quinn, who's former
Speaker 3: defensive coordinators, former assistant Joe Witt Jr.
Speaker 2: They went out and got Deebo Samuel's a wide receiver.
Speaker 5: They got gifted depot gifted gift for thank you, that's.
Speaker 2: The fourth You're just not gonna let that go. Hell,
Speaker 2: you just.
Speaker 5: Half catches. Oh wow, But that was That's why That's
Speaker 5: why I say it was gifted. That's why I say
Speaker 5: it was gifted because it's like a fifth for a
Speaker 5: fifth of Debo in that offense. I don't care what
Speaker 5: happened with Debo overweight. All that he's gonna be in
Speaker 5: shape when he show up for for OTA's. He gonna
Speaker 5: be in shape with that first game of the season.
Speaker 5: I mean, can you imagine with that with what they
Speaker 5: have offensively already, and to mix in Deebo Samuels with that,
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 2: Hey, it's about to get spooky.
Speaker 6: They just gave They just gave Cliff Kingsbury de bo
Speaker 6: yar Bro. You know how it is when you get cut,
Speaker 6: you get cut, you go to a new it's that
Speaker 6: new fresh.
Speaker 2: Grad like I gotta go, I gotta go.
Speaker 6: Let my old girlfriend know, Hey, I got this line up,
Speaker 6: Chris got it.
Speaker 2: I'm here.
Speaker 6: Debo is about to come over there. And if he
Speaker 6: comes back in peak performance, and add.
Speaker 5: That he doesn't have to be the number one guy,
Speaker 5: he don't have to. But you got scary Terry out there.
Speaker 2: You can double everything, Hayden, you can't double everybody. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be interesting. They're gonna be able to spread the field.
Speaker 3: They definitely so their their general manager in Washington was
Speaker 3: in San Francisco.
Speaker 2: So Adam Peters, Yes, shout out to my dog.
Speaker 3: He has he has a knowledge of what Samuel can do.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 3: But but notice it when when I was reading social media,
Speaker 3: I know if you caught some of the comments, people
Speaker 3: were trying to defend cowboys and saying that, hey, you
Speaker 3: know you got him for a five because of the money.
Speaker 3: Like I said, it's not it's not. It's not apples
Speaker 3: to apples, and Mingo was on a low contract and
Speaker 3: mainly were fighting fighting Clarence hill Man.
Speaker 2: You know what, look sometimes you just read it, have
Speaker 2: an opinion.
Speaker 3: I just read Cowboy fans that were trying to say, no,
Speaker 3: it's wrong, and clans you can't say it's the same.
Speaker 3: But what your initial reaction is A fifth Mingo four,
Speaker 3: make it make sense? And Cowboy fan several of them
Speaker 3: were saying because Mingo's younger, cheaper, therefore the pick was higher,
Speaker 3: have have not yeah, versus proven player who's been to
Speaker 3: Super Bowls.
Speaker 2: Two, they gotta pick up twenty two on it, right?
Speaker 2: Twenty two is that that's not.
Speaker 5: That's not a crazy number for a extremely solid See
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna say he's, you know, top three, top five,
Speaker 5: but he's an extremely solid receiver out there.
Speaker 2: Twenty two, that's that's not a bad deal.
Speaker 5: But what I think, what I think, just piggybacking on that,
Speaker 5: is I believe that he's in the league of his
Speaker 5: own as far as how he can transform from a
Speaker 5: slot to a running back.
Speaker 2: He's dangerous in that way.
Speaker 5: Short yardage guy, and that's what that's what the commanders
Speaker 5: are getting. And that's why it's like when you're sitting
Speaker 5: back as a Cowboy fans like, damn, it's embarrassment of riches.
Speaker 5: You get debo for the commanders in the way that
Speaker 5: now he's able to maneuver in that offense. I mean,
Speaker 5: the NFC East is gonna be often. It's changed very offensively.
Speaker 5: You better get you better get your defensives ready. Uh
Speaker 5: if you're in the NFC's is that why they paid
Speaker 5: uh Od's us so much?
Speaker 6: Because they've seen all the weapons that are coming to
Speaker 6: the place. You know, it's solidified defense. I was hoping
Speaker 6: you was gonna tell me, you tell me. I mean
Speaker 6: to be honest with you. It's no slack to him.
Speaker 6: He looking at his numbers. He's dependable, he's been there,
Speaker 6: he's been a starter since he's been here consistently.
Speaker 2: You're young, and what from.
Speaker 6: What I'm hearing about his leadership in the locker room
Speaker 6: that you can't keep letting all your talent go. Now,
Speaker 6: does he deserve the bag and this and that? I
Speaker 6: think he definitely deserves the bag. And if he didn't
Speaker 6: get it here, he was going to get that somewhere else.
Speaker 6: So like the Cowboys was like, hey, lock it up now.
Speaker 6: The only other thing about that is you got Mic
Speaker 6: on the other side. If I'm looking at Mike, if
Speaker 6: I'm Michaeh, I'm calling my agent and be like, hey,
Speaker 6: I know we say we're gonna make this work and
Speaker 6: build this team up, but uh that the bag just
Speaker 6: got bigger. If that made sense, If you paid him that,
Speaker 6: what does that say about me? And if you come
Speaker 6: anywhere close to that number what you gave him for
Speaker 6: what I've done and the accolades that I've already proven,
Speaker 6: I'm feeling slighted as a player. But then that also
Speaker 6: goes to see, we're gonna find out how are you
Speaker 6: really a team guy?
Speaker 2: If that makes sense.
Speaker 6: So as far as paying him, I think the Cowboys
Speaker 6: did right by solidifying a defense that when if you
Speaker 6: don't know if you can afford Micah and if he's
Speaker 6: gonna go, then yes, like don't let all my horses
Speaker 6: leave the stable. I think it was a desperate move,
Speaker 6: but you know what, they were desperate.
Speaker 3: Steven Jones talked about it yesterday the press. Come, yeah,
Speaker 3: we didn't, he said, if we don't have anybody else
Speaker 3: after Osis, Mazi, Mazi Mazi, That's what he said.
Speaker 2: So if anything.
Speaker 3: Olso to me left money on the table by not
Speaker 3: going to free agency.
Speaker 2: He definitely did.
Speaker 6: But that lets you know that one first of all,
Speaker 6: you're in Dallas America's team. If you get paid the
Speaker 6: money here off the field, all that stuff is gonna
Speaker 6: be something. But did he really leave money on the table.
Speaker 6: He left money. He could have caught a couple extra ten,
Speaker 6: maybe twenty somewhere else or something like that. Or he
Speaker 6: could have strong going the Cowboys with them being as
Speaker 6: desperate as they are, which.
Speaker 2: I felt like he did strong gardment.
Speaker 6: That's why the number is like when everybody when that contract,
Speaker 6: everybody knew he was gonna get paid, but when the
Speaker 6: numbers came out, everybody was like, you don't think he
Speaker 6: was back there? He said, Hey, I'm gonna loosen up
Speaker 6: this niggie on you real quick and go ahead and
Speaker 6: take that discount.
Speaker 2: And so great job for him. I think they overpaid him.
Speaker 6: I think they should have let him walk because you
Speaker 6: could have spent that money elsewhere.
Speaker 2: You gotta pay Micah and then.
Speaker 6: Potentially was going to be out there at this upcoming
Speaker 6: free agency with all the trades and stuff.
Speaker 2: So I'll disagree with you.
Speaker 3: And I said, from this standpoint, you let him walk away,
Speaker 3: who are you replacing him with. We haven't seen a
Speaker 3: plan that said, hey this person is you know if
Speaker 3: ibra Flus had somebody in mind or the team being known,
Speaker 3: you got to float out there.
Speaker 2: It would Hey, there's interest here. You didn't hear that,
Speaker 2: you didn't And that's what that's what that's a double
Speaker 2: a sword because.
Speaker 6: Even though you didn't, you didn't hear that, you still
Speaker 6: gotta pay Micah.
Speaker 2: And then there's but they've always said that. Knowing that,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's been the case. He's still going
Speaker 2: to get paid.
Speaker 6: So we know he's gonna get paid. Will he get
Speaker 6: paid the bag that he truly deserves? And then once
Speaker 6: you pay him, are you gonna have money to pay
Speaker 6: other people?
Speaker 3: Tell me the last guy Jerry Wanton who didn't get
Speaker 3: the full back?
Speaker 2: It that's true, I mean, but go down, go down
Speaker 2: the list.
Speaker 3: No, who is the last guy where they I mean
Speaker 3: eight player agent didn't come in there set in the market.
Speaker 3: They just don't do deals for their top guy. They
Speaker 3: set the market.
Speaker 2: CD, he didn't take you, CD didn't go.
Speaker 3: Well, he's going to be the fourth No that everybody
Speaker 3: come in everybody? Yeah that so, Travis Frederick, that is true,
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm saying. Once you set the market,
Speaker 3: you've already paid. Oh this money, DZU.
Speaker 6: With this money, you're gonna set the market with Michael
Speaker 6: because he's gonna get what he's gonna get. But then
Speaker 6: after that, where's the rest of the bag. There's still
Speaker 6: other holes that need to be filled.
Speaker 5: Can we can we talk about production, that's all, you know,
Speaker 5: And let's talk about production from a player standpoint. And
Speaker 5: Osa if he got over on him, if he if
Speaker 5: he should have you know, sat in a little longer
Speaker 5: to see if there was anything extra. Maybe so yeah,
Speaker 5: maybe so, Maybe he didn't shop his deal with other teams.
Speaker 5: I think when the Cowboys came to the table with
Speaker 5: their deal, his his pen could hit the path quickly
Speaker 5: to sign it and get on with me. You know,
Speaker 5: I'll but but but my my apprehension on it was
Speaker 5: based off of production alone. That's all I'm saying. And
Speaker 5: I didn't and I'm sure Steven wasn't saying that. He
Speaker 5: was what was the word you use it? Desperate they were,
Speaker 5: And he wasn't desperate in negotiation. He probably was trying
Speaker 5: to be you know, a strong arm Osa as well.
Speaker 5: But it's it reeks of player development, It reeks of
Speaker 5: what are you looking at in the draft. It reeks
Speaker 5: of our inability to bring in free agents that are
Speaker 5: worth the assault that can help us. You pay a
Speaker 5: guy that you don't think that you were probably on
Speaker 5: the fence with as far as his production is concerned,
Speaker 5: but also you're not shopping that deal looking at other
Speaker 5: guys that are out there that are available to you
Speaker 5: because free agency. Free agency is about to start. That
Speaker 5: was my only thing, and yes, Osa is the guy.
Speaker 5: I mean, excuse me, my Mazie is all that you have.
Speaker 5: And if you're gonna point to that, then obviously that
Speaker 5: puts you in a state of desperation. That puts you
Speaker 5: in a state of desperation not only from a free
Speaker 5: agency standpoint, but also in draft. What you're gonna draft
Speaker 5: and rounds one through three is what I want to
Speaker 5: see because if you don't come out to shoot with
Speaker 5: a defensive lineman or offensive something, you got to show
Speaker 5: in these first three picks that you have where what
Speaker 5: your needs are. And it's all in the trenches for
Speaker 5: the Cowboys.
Speaker 6: So who would have been out there on free agency?
Speaker 2: It's the perfect storm. We all know it.
Speaker 6: There are players that we feel that don't deserve it,
Speaker 6: bag that do deserve it, bag off of him, being dependable,
Speaker 6: consistent and being there, what's out there?
Speaker 2: Who are you really going to be bringing that's that
Speaker 2: much better than him?
Speaker 6: And that's dependable and you know what you're getting, because
Speaker 6: we also know that once you get the bag, you
Speaker 6: have that fear of like will you get complacent or
Speaker 6: will that make you more motivated?
Speaker 5: But de Montreal we got thirty one other teams that
Speaker 5: you can see that are making moves that don't just
Speaker 5: sit on their hands and say for who, for what?
Speaker 6: Yeah, make a move, make a move. And this was
Speaker 6: the Cowboys making a move. And that's why I said,
Speaker 6: was it the right move that a lot of fans wanted? No,
Speaker 6: But in the eyes, you can't be mad because now
Speaker 6: this is the one thing that the Cowboys have been
Speaker 6: saying for a year. Go get your guy, do it
Speaker 6: right now, and pay that guy. And when it came
Speaker 6: up time to say for this guy, they said that
Speaker 6: was their guy and they paid for him.
Speaker 2: Once again, they waited too late. Yeah, the time to
Speaker 2: do this was last year.
Speaker 7: It definitely was with other players you could have got well,
Speaker 7: but just oh so loan oh saloon.
Speaker 2: You could have got him at a cheaper price last year.
Speaker 3: But going into you know, you wanted to make a
Speaker 3: guy prove it and okay.
Speaker 2: And you wanted to take care of Dak and see
Speaker 2: the lamb. So you waited. So this is the cost
Speaker 2: of waiting.
Speaker 3: The price went up, and we can debate all day like, hey, man, no,
Speaker 3: it's ain't.
Speaker 2: Aaron Donell Part two, Chris Jones, You no, no, but.
Speaker 3: You need a defensive tackle. You didn't have anything else.
Speaker 3: And before you let him walk out of the door
Speaker 3: for nothing, pay this man and at least you have something.
Speaker 3: Because ebra Flus needs and this defense. You need this player.
Speaker 3: So therefore the value of the player for them that
Speaker 3: it increased.
Speaker 2: Yea perfect storm.
Speaker 3: And exactly perfect storm. So he was a free agent,
Speaker 3: he had a great year, he was healthy. You bring
Speaker 3: him at Ebraflus.
Speaker 6: The demand, Hey, why that's why if I understand why
Speaker 6: he didn't go to free agency.
Speaker 2: In an eber Flu's defense.
Speaker 6: That like the wife front is the four demon lineman.
Speaker 6: All this about it is just penetration. Can you cause gap?
Speaker 6: And can I get linebackers to feel the holes right there?
Speaker 6: And if that guy is that guy, it's like, oh man,
Speaker 6: I'm about to be making plays, I'm about to be
Speaker 6: getting sacked. I got paid the money, so I'm going
Speaker 6: to have the opportunity and once again here on America's team.
Speaker 6: The tension that's going to be there to you, the pressure.
Speaker 6: If I'm him, I'm like, hey, this is one I'm
Speaker 6: about to elevate.
Speaker 2: Pressure. Make diamonds a bus pipes.
Speaker 7: Right now, and no state taxes exactly, exactly, a perfect
Speaker 7: the perfect perfect storm.
Speaker 5: You hit free agency at a time where the Cowboys
Speaker 5: desperately needed a defensive tackle. You hit a high mark
Speaker 5: twenty something a year. No state tax isn't for him,
Speaker 5: It's I'm good. I ain't got to move my house.
Speaker 5: We get a bigger house outside looking at we ain't
Speaker 5: part of the organization outside looking in, man, did they
Speaker 5: feel the need?
Speaker 2: Did they?
Speaker 5: Because if you look at the rest of the division,
Speaker 5: for being completely honest, that's what we do here on
Speaker 5: the on the players line, also, Diggi Zua is a
Speaker 5: rotational player for the Philadelphias. He's a rotational player for
Speaker 5: the Washington Commanders. He may start with the New Yorkers.
Speaker 5: They got that big Boyonaire as well in the New
Speaker 5: York defensive line. Did they feel that need with Odiggezua
Speaker 5: here with the Dallas cow because that's not mister you said.
Speaker 5: He had a great year. He was also part of
Speaker 5: the defensive line that was getting ran through. Okay, Like
Speaker 5: I'm just just just play alone. I'm just looking at
Speaker 5: I'm I'm definitely there with you.
Speaker 6: But like you said, I can't let everything go when
Speaker 6: everything is real and breaking down and so on the
Speaker 6: outside looking in, I'm gonna be like, dang, this is true.
Speaker 6: That's why I asked you, I said, I don't think
Speaker 6: as a fan, I would be like, yo, we shouldn't
Speaker 6: have paid them that much. We should have just let
Speaker 6: him go out there because he would have got it
Speaker 6: in another conference, but not over here for what we need.
Speaker 2: But then it's like you're rolling the dice. He really
Speaker 2: want to do?
Speaker 6: I really want to go over there and wait for
Speaker 6: the girl that might not give me a date. When
Speaker 6: I got the girl that's consistent, that is here, right
Speaker 6: and potentially, when.
Speaker 2: You're the last one, you're the last one. This is
Speaker 2: the last call. This is the last call. Look at
Speaker 2: you down there at the end of the war. Come
Speaker 2: with me, guys.
Speaker 6: Hey, I'm telling you right now, I be mad if
Speaker 6: this turns into Cinderella.
Speaker 5: You think so he could, and you're talking about you're
Speaker 5: talking about it from a scheme standpoint. You're talking about
Speaker 5: from scheme standpoint, and abra flu scheme is going to
Speaker 5: accentuate some of the talents, some of the things that
Speaker 5: he already has in his wheelhouse. I look at him
Speaker 5: when he played with dan Quinn. You know, he had
Speaker 5: an opportunity under dan Quinn and then you still had
Speaker 5: a defense that was left more to be desired in
Speaker 5: the running game, stopping the run as well. So look,
Speaker 5: he has he can always All these guys have built
Speaker 5: in excuses. Three different defensive coordinators in the last three seasons.
Speaker 5: Oh have we not seen the best of them? Okay,
Speaker 5: and he got the bag. Now we get an opportunity.
Speaker 5: Now we get an opportunity to really judge. And let's
Speaker 5: just be honest. Let's be black and white. Now, all right,
Speaker 5: black and white.
Speaker 6: Now, if you don't show up, I'm gonna be the
Speaker 6: first one to say, hey, he came in there, no
Speaker 6: ask on and said hey, drop out, or he's gonna
Speaker 6: be exactly.
Speaker 2: Say he gonna come in there. Let's get a break
Speaker 2: his key. Let's get a break in his Zach Martinsen
Speaker 2: no masks, no mask.
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Speaker 3: first ballot, Hall of Fame. We don't even it's just boom,
Speaker 3: Mike drop, Hall of next stop.
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. That happened yesterday at the Star.
Speaker 3: When Zach Martin retired from the Dallas Cowboys and Barry Church, Treymore.
Speaker 3: You all played with one Zach Martin, number seventy, So
Speaker 3: I'll turn the floor over to you.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had the pleasure of being Zach's teammate for
Speaker 5: three year his first three years in the league before
Speaker 5: I went to Jacksonville. And you know, you hear it
Speaker 5: all the time, kind of corny coach talk about, you know,
Speaker 5: first in the room, last the league, you know, the
Speaker 5: hardest working. But this is true when you talk about
Speaker 5: Zach Martin and exactly what he personified as a professional
Speaker 5: out there.
Speaker 2: He wasn't a big raw rock guy that you know,
Speaker 2: bring up the troops Cowboys on three. You know we're
Speaker 2: gonna do that. He wasn't that.
Speaker 5: He was a lead by example, and he showed each
Speaker 5: and every one of those young guys behind him how
Speaker 5: to be great when you go out there. I mean,
Speaker 5: the guy has more with all Pros or Pro Bowls
Speaker 5: than holding.
Speaker 2: Penalties out there. And he's been like that since day one.
Speaker 5: All right, Like my welcome to the League moment happened
Speaker 5: four years after I got to lead by rookie, which
Speaker 5: is crazy, And I'm talking about Zach Martin here.
Speaker 2: You know we're coming out and nature. You know the cow,
Speaker 2: but they try to do that. You got to earn
Speaker 2: your position. You gotta learn this thing. Man. By day three,
Speaker 2: Zach Martin was running with the ones. So I'll never
Speaker 2: forget it. Man. We in cover three and in cover
Speaker 2: three the strong safety. You come down.
Speaker 5: You got the force, which means you gotta make the
Speaker 5: running back, cut back inside.
Speaker 2: But just socks. It's a power.
Speaker 5: Play, which means the Marko Murray's gonna do his little
Speaker 5: counterstep and it come to the outside. And in power
Speaker 5: play you also get the guard that pulls as well.
Speaker 5: In this situation, it happened to be Zach Martin. So
Speaker 5: I'm reading it. I'm like, oh, I got this. I'm
Speaker 5: coming down here. I'm gonna either make this play or
Speaker 5: I'm gonna force it back to the rest of my help.
Speaker 5: On a defensive line, I see Zach Martin pulling.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, this.
Speaker 5: Young rookie, I don't know what the heck is going on,
Speaker 5: But as he getting close one, you got a lot
Speaker 5: ahead of steam. Won't me put my shoulder in there?
Speaker 5: At least study him up a little bit. Man, When
Speaker 5: I tell you. This man knocked me from the hash marks,
Speaker 5: damn near to the numbers. It was that real a
Speaker 5: that's a long ways. And I remember the old Martin
Speaker 5: sitcom back in the night when Martin would get tossed
Speaker 5: and then it'd be like cut to a rag dog man.
Speaker 2: That was me, all right, And I'm.
Speaker 5: Like our parallel My feet are parallel to the ground,
Speaker 5: and I'm just in the air.
Speaker 2: This dude didn't do me like that.
Speaker 5: So soon as I hit the ground, you know, I
Speaker 5: hop back up, Marion Nelle, you know, don't lay on
Speaker 5: the ground.
Speaker 2: All my teammates like, yeah.
Speaker 5: Good job forcing it back, Church, good job forcing everything back.
Speaker 2: Scam all those boys they hyping me. Yeah, yeah, good job.
Speaker 2: So then we get to the.
Speaker 5: To the meeting room after practice, you know, no dog club,
Speaker 5: and you know what it is.
Speaker 2: And you know, Garrett, we always talk about it.
Speaker 5: He got this damn Garrett vision where he breaks down
Speaker 5: these plays after practice.
Speaker 2: So you know, he bring his old laser pin out there,
Speaker 2: he's circling it.
Speaker 5: This is what we want right here, gentlemen, you'll see
Speaker 5: this right here, This is what we want.
Speaker 2: Circling that play. He rewounded probably about four or five times.
Speaker 2: This is the physicality we need.
Speaker 5: I'm just flying back and forth every time, and I'm
Speaker 5: sitting there and I'm.
Speaker 2: Mad as hell. Rewind rewind Look this thing back, look
Speaker 2: right here. Look it looks better at slow. Cut this
Speaker 2: thing back one more time. Be mad. Of course, he
Speaker 2: cut it back one more time. I stood up, and.
Speaker 5: You do that thing again. I'm gonna cut your big ass.
Speaker 5: I'm talking to everybody, start dying, laughing all your his
Speaker 5: feelings now, But nah, it just to bring it back
Speaker 5: to Zach. After all, that is man, This dude is
Speaker 5: the ultimate professional. And I'm glad I was his teammate
Speaker 5: in those early years and you know his play the
Speaker 5: rest of his history Hall of Fame career. But man,
Speaker 5: slewte to that man because he's one of those ones.
Speaker 5: He's one of the great ones that I've ever seen
Speaker 5: play the game at his position.
Speaker 2: I bet you saluted him. I was in his career.
Speaker 2: I thought it was bad. I didn't get that hit
Speaker 2: that bad and you hurt. You heard I was parallel
Speaker 2: to the ground. Ain't got the.
Speaker 5: Tails that way, all right, man, Like, don't be boring
Speaker 5: your helmet hitting these guys like that.
Speaker 2: I was sick, But it happened.
Speaker 6: I'm telling you for me like it's personal, because not
Speaker 6: only was it we teammates, but I had to go up
Speaker 6: against this guy. Not only did I have to go
Speaker 6: against him as a teammate, but I got to see
Speaker 6: him on the other side.
Speaker 2: Of the ball when I was at the Johnson.
Speaker 6: So for him to come in and be the guy
Speaker 6: that he is, the Cowboys has this history of lineage
Speaker 6: of going and getting office linemen and getting them while
Speaker 6: they're young and putting them behind other people. So for
Speaker 6: him to come in. You got Tyron Smith that everybody's
Speaker 6: talking about. You got Travis Frederick that they're talking about.
Speaker 6: You got them talking about, Hey, you remember the old
Speaker 6: Cowboys when they had be Waters and them. Oh man,
Speaker 6: they Larry Allen. They've been moving stuff since, moving stuff.
Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden they talk about Zach Martin,
Speaker 6: he getting drafted there and this and that, and I'm like,
Speaker 6: ain't over really gonna I don't care what y'all talking about,
Speaker 6: Like I'm about to go in here and sosce him up.
Speaker 6: And when I tell you, I wasn't going against him
Speaker 6: like that. But when I seen him on film and
Speaker 6: they said them cross stunts and we had to run
Speaker 6: a text I was like, oh, snapt as soon as
Speaker 6: I come in here, ain't no rookie gonna touch me.
Speaker 6: I came in and when I tell you that boy
Speaker 6: hit me with a stone wall. And it was like
Speaker 6: like now you walk into a door and then you like, oh,
Speaker 6: it's the wrong way.
Speaker 2: This is like.
Speaker 6: It was like that, and I had to stop and
Speaker 6: just deva and I was like, yeah, coach, hey, from
Speaker 6: now on, can we do a text stunt please, like
Speaker 6: make the tackle go for y'all or don't know, make
Speaker 6: the tackle go first, clean that up, make sure his
Speaker 6: hands ain't on me.
Speaker 2: So I can get here Scott free. And just it's
Speaker 2: a testament to him.
Speaker 6: You always had him on the game plan for It's
Speaker 6: very few guys that you come in day one and
Speaker 6: you say, hey, that's the guy that we're watching. He
Speaker 6: commanded that respect on the line that was with a
Speaker 6: prime Tyron Smith, a prime Travis Frederick. Like he bought
Speaker 6: these guys in and like you said, it's very rare
Speaker 6: that somebody spends their whole career with somebody and for
Speaker 6: you to drop the mic like that, it was like, oh, man,
Speaker 6: seeing them on the other side in that sky report.
Speaker 6: But when I got here to see who he was,
Speaker 6: I thought he was going to be nasty. I thought
Speaker 6: he was going to be violent everything that he was
Speaker 6: on the field. But he was the gentle giant. He
Speaker 6: don't he don't like he said, He don't say much,
Speaker 6: he don't none of the offensive lineman.
Speaker 2: Let's get that straight here.
Speaker 6: The Cowboys talk like that, they've always was the silent killer.
Speaker 6: But to see him and I come over there, joke
Speaker 6: with him and this and that, and he'll just go
Speaker 6: out here, go to practice, go through the motion. But
Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, it's like Goku, he just
Speaker 6: turns up out of nowhere and go super Saiyan.
Speaker 2: It hit you with something you like? My bad bro?
Speaker 2: He just practice, chill out.
Speaker 6: And so for him to go do that be a
Speaker 6: unanimous Hall of famer one My hat goes off to him.
Speaker 6: I saluted him as a competitor, but I even gained
Speaker 6: a bigger, more found respect for him as a teammate
Speaker 6: because he really was the last the first guy in
Speaker 6: the last guy out like him in Tynment, they're all
Speaker 6: pulling up, all the greats they pull up together. They
Speaker 6: taught him that tradition, and not only did they teach
Speaker 6: him the tradition, he embraced it and took it further
Speaker 6: than beyond. Like you said, Perennial Pro Bowl, he's been like,
Speaker 6: how many holding calls does he have in his career?
Speaker 6: Less than ten digits? And then all on seven holding
Speaker 6: calls in your whole career with the same team, Like,
Speaker 6: that's what everybody. The only thing that he's missing is
Speaker 6: a Super Bowl. But as far as like individually wise,
Speaker 6: he's done that and more. He's like when everybody gave
Speaker 6: their flowers to Aaron Donald and said your generational talent,
Speaker 6: that's the same conversation that everybody around the league should
Speaker 6: be having about Zach Martin.
Speaker 2: All players are having that, the fan base is having that.
Speaker 6: So for him, salute well done, go into the Ring
Speaker 6: of Honor, and when you get that gold jacket. Man,
Speaker 6: I just hope they showed me on the highlight tape
Speaker 6: so I can say I was around great.
Speaker 3: Go YouTube the Senior Bowl practice between Aaron Donald and.
Speaker 6: Zachly that's crazy, that's crazy to think about.
Speaker 2: I didn't even think about it. Heck, what you got on. Look.
Speaker 5: I love the fact that a generational player gets an
Speaker 5: opportunity to get his flowers in real time, and it's
Speaker 5: done a lot of times. Not a lot of times.
Speaker 5: Great players don't get that. And you know, I just
Speaker 5: go back to draft night when we could have done
Speaker 5: much worse and and went Johnny Manziel instead of Zach Martin.
Speaker 5: Thank God for all those You're okay, it's okay, it's
Speaker 5: it's you know, it's it's it was a good it
Speaker 5: was one of the best decisions ever made a cowboy.
Speaker 2: You know that that we went Zach Martin.
Speaker 5: And man, just watching him as you know, when you
Speaker 5: you understand that you're watching greatness, you're watching the guy
Speaker 5: in real time actually be dominant over other grown men
Speaker 5: playing this game. And you know, my conversations about Zach Martin.
Speaker 5: I've had these conversations with my uncle Joe Green about
Speaker 5: Zach Martin and his eye quote he could have played
Speaker 5: during our time.
Speaker 2: And that's that's something crazy, and that's.
Speaker 5: Something that you know when I when I've talked to Zach,
Speaker 5: I've told him, Man, look, I got to tell you
Speaker 5: what uncle said about you, you know, and he's just
Speaker 5: a great player, great player to watch, a great player.
Speaker 5: When you go back and you watch trench and I've
Speaker 5: always told you, guys, trench warfare. When I'm calling a game,
Speaker 5: I'm watching the trenches. And when I'm watching a game,
Speaker 5: I'm watching the trenches. And Number seventy has always been
Speaker 5: that dude that has dominated his one on ones. He's
Speaker 5: dominated when he's pulling. You see guys get to the
Speaker 5: carpet when Number seventy is coming. And that's just the
Speaker 5: respect that guys have for you. And when you hear
Speaker 5: guys like yourselves talking about him, that's echoed all around
Speaker 5: the league. And what the words has been about Zach
Speaker 5: Martin sou Man. I got ticked off last season when
Speaker 5: he was getting a lot of criticism and it was
Speaker 5: only because of who he has been consistently as a pro.
Speaker 5: So man, that's yeah, right there, you hit it. That's
Speaker 5: what makes this so great right now because the flac
Speaker 5: that he did get last year and like to see everybody,
Speaker 5: we know it's a turn turn lead for him to
Speaker 5: immediately announce that retirement and get his flowers, it's like
Speaker 5: it's a full circle moment, like, oh, y'all really do
Speaker 5: love me, y'all do appreciate me, Like as a player,
Speaker 5: that's great, but then not the one thing that we're
Speaker 5: talking about him as a player. But I think we
Speaker 5: all four can agree on this, not only as great
Speaker 5: of a player, he is the person, the human being
Speaker 5: like knowing him and how he embraces everybody from top
Speaker 5: to bottom on that roster, no matter if you're Ezekiel
Speaker 5: Elliott or if you're a journeyman like me, like he
Speaker 5: gives your flowers. D Moore, you made that play Church,
Speaker 5: you did this like he gives his credit. Doesn't talk much,
Speaker 5: but his personality, it's very rare. Do you meet somebody
Speaker 5: that is great like that but will be humble enough
Speaker 5: to talk to everybody and do that too.
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm.
Speaker 6: Saying it is he deserves it. When you say that
Speaker 6: certain people deserve it, I'm glad.
Speaker 2: He's getting in it. So yeah, I just had to
Speaker 2: throw that too. Sit in there.
Speaker 3: Clarence Hill thought had a good point yesterday on the
Speaker 3: media Mash and Beat right where he said Zach Martin
Speaker 3: is the best Cowboys player in organization.
Speaker 2: Post Super Bowl, post their Super.
Speaker 3: Bowl wins, And we kind of thought about it, and
Speaker 3: we did bring up DeMarcus Ware's name, but I sided
Speaker 3: with Clarence because I said, Rare is the talent where
Speaker 3: not only when he's retiring, he's going to the Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame. You can argue he is one of the
Speaker 3: top five at his position to ever play that position
Speaker 3: in this league.
Speaker 5: And you know how don that get tough when people
Speaker 5: have recency bias and or they don't know about those
Speaker 5: that played before him. But when it comes down to
Speaker 5: Zach Martin, none of that even comes into play.
Speaker 2: Everybody agrees with what you just said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and you were talking about one of the
Speaker 3: top five guards in his history that have ever played
Speaker 3: this game. He is there in the mix and it's phenomenal.
Speaker 3: So congratulations to him. Five years.
Speaker 2: He will go.
Speaker 3: Whether it's Sharene Williams or whoever's going to make the
Speaker 3: presentation with Jack Martin, I think it's pretty easy. Zach
Speaker 3: Martin eleven years, uh nine Pro Bowls, seven and first
Speaker 3: Team All pros out keep going, no, no, that's it,
Speaker 3: I present Zach Martin. Yes, sir, all right, our final
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Speaker 3: I saw Michael Parson's maps ball on Sunday.
Speaker 2: And he likes.
Speaker 3: To tweet a lot of stuff. But ultimately my thought
Speaker 3: is this, and you guys tell me everything.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be here. He likes being here, yeah he
Speaker 2: I mean I don't. And he's going to get paid. Yeah,
Speaker 2: first of we know what's didn't get paid. But overall,
Speaker 2: he likes this scene.
Speaker 3: He likes this, he likes the way he's treated, he
Speaker 3: likes being a star, likes he likes it here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, star likes the star.
Speaker 5: It's a difference being a superstar here in now versus
Speaker 5: being a superstar anywhere else. Yeah, Mike's gonna get the bag.
Speaker 5: You saw Max Crosby contract come through yesterday and he like, Yeah,
Speaker 5: if Max Crosby got that, then obviously you know what
Speaker 5: Micah's gonna get. And I would have thought that the
Speaker 5: organization would have done Michaeh's contract before OS's. But fine,
Speaker 5: you see them clearing out, restructuring and all that with
Speaker 5: CD and now DAK, and they're clearing up money, maybe
Speaker 5: clearing up money not only for Michaeh, butffer move coming
Speaker 5: ahead because they have to make a splash, because you've
Speaker 5: said it before, there are too many holes to feel.
Speaker 5: And if you're gonna give coach Schottenheimer a chance this season,
Speaker 5: you're gonna have to give him some dogs, some people
Speaker 5: to operate with. And there are a ton of names
Speaker 5: that have been cut that I've already in our group chat,
Speaker 5: I've thrown names around. I'm getting shot down, but that's
Speaker 5: all right, that's all right. Something's gonna happen. Some's gonna give.
Speaker 5: But michaels I got Michael's I got and if and
Speaker 5: if you're gonna go as far as to some of
Speaker 5: these other guys that we've seen get paid, and you said,
Speaker 5: as you stated, Jerry doesn't lose on getting his guys,
Speaker 5: anyone that he wants to sign. I believe Michael's in
Speaker 5: that list of superstars that he wants to sign. He
Speaker 5: wants to have here, wants him to retire as a
Speaker 5: Dallas cowboy. And look, I just think as far as
Speaker 5: this defense is concerned with coach ibra Flus, you want
Speaker 5: all of that. You want to bring in the guys
Speaker 5: in the draft, but also get guys during free agency
Speaker 5: so you can ramp up this defense because last last season,
Speaker 5: look this is a wash. You didn't get any production
Speaker 5: from that. Michael was hurt for a lot of the
Speaker 5: majority of the season. But look, I look for them
Speaker 5: to get that contract taken care of because you.
Speaker 2: Have to.
Speaker 6: Is playing for Ebra Flues, you have to get it done.
Speaker 6: Think about it. When his time at the Coats, you
Speaker 6: had DeForest Buckner, you quidy p you had a tie
Speaker 6: that was on the outside like you had a superstar,
Speaker 6: and then you had somebody consistently you locked it up with. Oh,
Speaker 6: now you have to lock it up with a generational
Speaker 6: talent and Michael, And like you said, the star loves
Speaker 6: the star, like he gets everything that he wants with
Speaker 6: his media, broadcasting and stuff like that. And then on
Speaker 6: top of that, I think you kind of feed off
Speaker 6: of the he's finally turned that corner to where it's
Speaker 6: like the media doesn't bother him, Like he's learning to
Speaker 6: make the media work for him. So like all the
Speaker 6: stars that are lining, and then when you go schematically wise,
Speaker 6: like you got your consistent guy, you got somebody that's
Speaker 6: dependable on Oh, right here that's going to do that.
Speaker 2: It's going to free this up for me. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: still do that.
Speaker 6: So like you said, Jerry doesn't miss on this guys,
Speaker 6: he never does, even when it's always been a question
Speaker 6: Daz Oh, when you're gonna pay Daz Brian, Hey, when
Speaker 6: are you gonna pay Zach Martin, when you're gonna play
Speaker 6: Ezekiel Ellen, when you're gonna pay dak His guys get
Speaker 6: that bag. So Michael's gonna get the back. It's just
Speaker 6: about how much of a bag he's gonna get. Because
Speaker 6: the longer you prolong that, the more expensive it get.
Speaker 6: Just like and you don't want to have those feelings.
Speaker 6: And this is just me speaking from a fan's perspective.
Speaker 6: You don't want to have those feelings with the Oas
Speaker 6: or the Dak Prescott. Like, oh man, if we'd have
Speaker 6: just paid Dak two years ago, we wouldn't be sitting
Speaker 6: over here restructuring his contract. If we to pay Ezekiel
Speaker 6: a couple of years ago, maybe he wouldn't have held
Speaker 6: out and went to Cabo and we could have seen
Speaker 6: the com zeke that went there. So that's my only
Speaker 6: thing is like not at all? Got it show Michael
Speaker 6: the love and the respect that he needs to make
Speaker 6: him more motivated to be here, because he already wants
Speaker 6: to be here.
Speaker 2: But you need to add that gas.
Speaker 6: In the celerant. So it's just about when is it
Speaker 6: gonna happen? And then because if you keep waiting and
Speaker 6: that price keep going up, Max just got his bag,
Speaker 6: well guess what.
Speaker 2: He might not need the Max.
Speaker 6: Deal, but he needs to be somewhere in that ballpark
Speaker 6: or it is going to be a disrespect. And now
Speaker 6: but you having to pay him because we know Jerry's
Speaker 6: gonna do it. Are you going to be able to
Speaker 6: get the rest of those dogs. Are you gonna be
Speaker 6: able to go fix the other side of the trenches?
Speaker 6: Are you gonna lock up only two star players on
Speaker 6: your defensive line like that?
Speaker 2: That's where it gets a little danger and Dicey.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's gonna get paid. He has to with Eberflus defense.
Speaker 5: You know a lot of zone they rush for. You
Speaker 5: gotta have somebody get he.
Speaker 2: Get in this defense.
Speaker 5: If you don't, then you're not gonna get any pressure
Speaker 5: on the quarterback and his defense is gonna get picked alive.
Speaker 2: So the deal is gonna get done.
Speaker 5: It's just a matter of when and what the amount
Speaker 5: is is gonna be And I see him being one
Speaker 5: of the highest non paid quarterbacks in the National Football League.
Speaker 2: That'd be Max Crosby. For two weeks, He'll be Yeah,
Speaker 2: two weeks Max and play and Max will be just fine.
Speaker 6: I'm I'm gonna tell you like this, them state taxes
Speaker 6: over here and him getting a bigger bag. It's gonna
Speaker 6: look better for Michael though. So Hey, slow and steady
Speaker 6: wins the race.
Speaker 2: Heckman, Harrison, what's up? Bro?
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Speaker 2: Do that don't do that. I don't ever do that
Speaker 2: to you.
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