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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death Presents External Exams with Nicole and Jimmy.

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Speaker 2: On today's external Exam on Mother Knows Death, we will

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Speaker 2: be talking with an FDNY battalion chief whose name is

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Speaker 2: Jeff Fassenelli, and he is going to talk to us

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Speaker 2: about some of the stories we've been talking about in

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Speaker 2: the news the past couple of weeks. Two of the

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Speaker 2: stories that we have talked about. One of them is

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Speaker 2: that there was a lithium ion battery fire on an

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Speaker 2: airplane from a portable battery charger, and another one that

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Speaker 2: happened more recently is that three generations of a family

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Speaker 2: were killed as a result of a lithian ion battery

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Speaker 2: fire in New York City. So we thought it would

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Speaker 2: be great to talk to someone that actually goes to

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Speaker 2: these fires. So, Hi, Jeff, how are you well?

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Speaker 1: Nicole? Thank you for having me. I'm good tech you

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Speaker 1: doing very very good. I appreciate the opportunity to come

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Speaker 1: out to your show. I'm excited to have the dialogue today,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I keep.

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Speaker 2: For having me, of course. And do you want to

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Speaker 2: get into a little bit of where exactly do you

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Speaker 2: work in New York You're a battalion.

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Speaker 3: Chief, sure, absolutely so.

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Speaker 1: So first, before we start, I just want to say

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Speaker 1: that this little little disclaimer that today I'm I'm not

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Speaker 1: giving an official FDN Y press conference. Basically, this is

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Speaker 1: just my own views on things, in my own opinion.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily represent the FDM Y, So I'm not

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Speaker 1: speaking in an official capacity, just a conversation between Napole

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Speaker 1: and I today based on my experience working as an

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Speaker 1: fdmy battalion chief and I work in the Bronx, the

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Speaker 1: eighteenth Battalion, which if you looked at the map, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty much the center of the Bronx.

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Speaker 3: We cover the Bronx Zoo Arthur.

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Speaker 1: Avenue, Fordham, part of Fordam University like that housing for

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Speaker 3: So in that area of.

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Speaker 1: The Bronx is where I work, and I'm in charge

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Speaker 1: myself and the chiefs and the battalion. We oversee six companies,

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Speaker 1: three engine companies and three ladder companies in that in

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Speaker 1: that general area administratively, and then we respond to fires

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Speaker 1: and emergencies in that area.

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Speaker 2: Okay, great, So we are going to talk about mainly

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Speaker 2: Lithian ion batteries today. It seems like as of right now,

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Speaker 2: there's been at least two hundred and forty three fires

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Speaker 2: that have been caused by lithian ion batteries. So, assuming

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Speaker 2: that you work in the city, you've been to a

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Speaker 2: few of these fires. There's been at least ninety three

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Speaker 2: York City. Yes, and there's been seventeen of them that

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Speaker 2: have been associated with these lithian ion batteries. So can

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Speaker 2: you first explain to us for those of us that

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Speaker 2: don't really understand, because honestly, I don't one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: understand what is a lithium ion battery.

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Speaker 1: Sure, so in the early nineties, you know, technology is

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Speaker 1: always evolving, right, and we've always had like if you

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Speaker 1: big difference is the technology in the batteries. The lithium

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Speaker 1: ion is the type of technology, the type of chemistry.

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Speaker 1: Basically they use graphite in silicone all these different types

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Speaker 3: And also has a longer life cycle, meaning that when

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Speaker 1: Your cell phone or your laptop, or your remote control vehicle,

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Speaker 1: last a long time between chargers, between charges, and the

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Speaker 1: It goes through so many life cycles. These newer batteries,

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Speaker 3: The problem we run into is when people don't use them.

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Speaker 2: Them, do you. I have been hearing on the news

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Speaker 2: out things about these about counterfeit lithian ion batteries. What

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Speaker 2: exactly is that.

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Speaker 3: So there's a couple things with the counterfeits.

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Speaker 1: One is that the batteries so like today is a

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Speaker 1: perfect thing because today's cyber Monday.

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Speaker 1: So if you're shopping and you see something that, like

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Speaker 1: Made to the safety specifications in the United States, Meaning

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Speaker 1: you'll see UL which is underwrite laboratories. Right, that's a

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Speaker 1: But you're gonna pay for that also, right, the price

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Speaker 1: You want to buy something cheaper, that's great, but it's

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Speaker 1: I want to go online. I want to order something

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Speaker 1: Now you spend fifty bucks and you got to inferior

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Speaker 1: because it wasn't built to the right specifications. That's the

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Speaker 1: one counterfeit. The second counterfeit is people are buying cheap

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Speaker 1: they're buying ul labels, these stickers which say oh you will,

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Speaker 1: So they're onto it and they're searching, they try to

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Speaker 2: So that's scary for that. This is why this is

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Speaker 2: a problem then, because the average consumer, how would you

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Speaker 2: how would you really know? You know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: like if you order something on Amazon, I just had

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Speaker 2: That's how you guys know each other through leadership under fire. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: But I but I bought a weed whacker for out front,

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Speaker 2: these are the kinds that are a problem.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely yes, yeah, with out of doubt, Like you know,

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Speaker 3: But the charger, you know, is it's it's it's definitely

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Speaker 1: You'll look on the air, it'll have a u WELL

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Speaker 3: Will it work? Will you have a problem?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's probably it's gonna work, but you gotta

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Speaker 1: take more precautions. Definitely don't leave it charging because it

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Speaker 1: It overheats and you get that thumber runaway and the

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So, so I think you're saying, then maybe it's

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Speaker 1: But it could be the name brands too, because people

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Speaker 1: Stuff like that roughly about nine hundred and fifty of

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Speaker 3: But that could easily change.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and if you're anything like Gabe, you get

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Speaker 3: It's I don't like it.

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Speaker 1: I come in, but I missed, Like I worked at

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Speaker 1: To see anybody have a fire, right, I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: Right. You know, things happen that are out of all control.

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Speaker 2: I feel the same way about autopsy. Right, it's just

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Speaker 1: Right, exactly. But but you want to be part of that,

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Speaker 1: and it was it was an older building. The building

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Speaker 1: has been there well over one hundred years old. There

436
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Speaker 1: used to be a warehouse. It's a two story probably

437
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 1: fifty foot width by about one hundred foot deep, and

438
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Speaker 1: two floors of it used to be a manufacturing like

439
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Speaker 1: a warehouse type building.

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Speaker 3: They repurposed it and they put individual rooms. They have

441
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Speaker 3: like sheet rock. The whole rear of the first floor

442
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,399
Speaker 3: is one big walk in refrigerator, you know the Stainles

443
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,640
Speaker 3: Stel refrigerator you've see like in a commercial built commercial restaurant.

444
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 3: This one is the entire back of the first floor

445
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 3: and everybody rents space out of it, so you have

446
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Speaker 3: all your cold stuff stored in there.

447
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Speaker 1: And they had thirty six individual rooms maybe about twelve

448
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,520
Speaker 1: by twelve in dimension, eighteen on the first floor and

449
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 1: eighteen on the second floor, and their individual kitchens. And

450
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Speaker 1: what they have is a gas stove, food prep area,

451
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, sink and everything and all it is food prep.

452
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 1: And then outside you have e bike after e bike

453
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Speaker 1: waiting to pick up all these orders.

454
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Speaker 3: Door Dass, Grubhub whatever.

455
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Speaker 1: The companies that are in there they lease out because

456
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Speaker 1: what happened during the pandemic, places were closed they could

457
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Speaker 1: have for rent, right nobody was going out, so restaurants

458
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 1: were closing, but people still have to eat. So why

459
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 1: would I spend all this money on rent in New

460
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 1: York City to have a restaurant where nobody's coming. I'll

461
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 1: just get a kitchen, pay a minimal staff, no weight staff,

462
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 1: just somebody to cook, clean and prepare the food and

463
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Speaker 1: then get all these apps with the delivery bikes and

464
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Speaker 1: here come.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's delivery bikes. It's it's some days you

466
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Speaker 3: pull on.

467
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Speaker 1: The block, it looks like like the five Borough Bike Tour.

468
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 1: It's like bicycles all over the place with these scooters

469
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Speaker 1: because they're all delivering stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's and that's interesting because like we where we

471
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Speaker 2: live in Jersey, and even in Camden where Gay works,

472
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Speaker 2: it's the grub Hub and especially door Dash I think

473
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 2: is most popular around here. It's everybody gets it. But

474
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Speaker 2: it's just easier because they have cars and you can

475
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Speaker 2: even though Camden is a city, you could still easily

476
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Speaker 2: kind of pull up there and drop food off, whereas.

477
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Speaker 3: In New York, New York, it's tougher.

478
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but there's bike lanes everywhere. New York

479
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: is much more. Uh, it's tougher to get around with

480
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Speaker 1: a car in New York. You know, tie parking and

481
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Speaker 1: tie it's just tough. So a lot lot of screwters

482
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: and bikes and the city's pushing that they want they

483
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: want more bikes, but it comes with a price. Too,

484
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: because the bikes have issues if you're not buying the bike,

485
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 1: if you're not maintaining it, if you're not charging it properly.

486
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: So the fire department is aware that the city council

487
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: is aware of it. They try to pass legislation to

488
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Speaker 1: put like regulations in about where you can store your bikes,

489
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Speaker 1: how you can safely charge them.

490
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Speaker 3: There's technology they can. There's a company called cell Block

491
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Speaker 3: who we actually.

492
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Speaker 1: Use in the FDNY, who makes a material which we'll

493
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Speaker 1: get into it a little while. When we do have

494
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: a fire, we have to contain these battery cells. We

495
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: overpack them in a drum. They put this material look

496
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Speaker 1: like little like round little bulls, and it solidifies around

497
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Speaker 1: the battery. They dump that it's cold. Cell Block, but

498
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: cell Block also makes other stuff where you can safely

499
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Speaker 1: charge bikes and batteries.

500
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Speaker 3: They'll make like volts and stuff.

501
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Speaker 1: They have all this technology that the city's trying to

502
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Speaker 1: like harness to make it safer for charging because these

503
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,719
Speaker 1: devices are here forever, they're not going anywhere. Right, Hopefully

504
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 1: the technology you'll get better to make it safer. But

505
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: you know, nobody's gonna get rid of their cell phone

506
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Speaker 1: or their laptop anytime soon, or their scoo and stuff

507
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: like that. I mean even going to Italy. I remember

508
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: as a kid going to Italy, it was always Vespas

509
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: flying around.

510
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 3: I had a little scooters. So you know now it

511
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 3: looks like that in New York now.

512
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Speaker 2: But yeah, that and that could be something like those

513
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,959
Speaker 2: companies might have to fork out the bill for like

514
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: providing for these things. Yeah. Absolutely, IC definitely making money

515
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 2: off of it, right, they're making it.

516
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course they're a business to make the money

517
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 1: without a doubt. And one area where I'm kind of nervous,

518
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Speaker 1: which it hasn't happened yet, but.

519
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Speaker 3: I see it.

520
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Speaker 1: Not that I ride the subway very often in New

521
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Speaker 1: York City because I you know, I drive to the

522
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: fire housin Park, but we do go to the subways,

523
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of geting ahead of myself. But these

524
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: fires are almost like the Christmas tree fires where they take

525
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 1: off so fast. The intensity of these fires when they go,

526
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: when you have that thermal runaway, the internal battery itself

527
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,239
Speaker 1: failed and the fire happens. I'm sure if you can,

528
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,239
Speaker 1: you can go on YouTube and Google and in one

529
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Speaker 1: of these is actually a video of a fire in

530
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Speaker 1: the Bronx, which I wasn't at. It was a Supermark

531
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Speaker 1: and one of the delivery bikes in like the backstock room.

532
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: You see one of the employees walk in and he

533
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: sees some smoke and within like a second, the thing

534
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: is just like this big, big white, bright light engulfed

535
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: in flames, and it's off to the races, and the

536
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: whole supermarket took the supermarket out, a whole big supermarket

537
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: going to the ground because it took off. I'm concerned.

538
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have a problem in New York City.

539
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: This is my own guess. They're not really even though

540
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: it's against the regulations. People bring these bikes onto the

541
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Speaker 1: subway car.

542
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Speaker 2: God, yeah, where you're going with.

543
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: This, it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen because these devices.

544
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Speaker 1: I mean, you talked about the one thing on the

545
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: airplane right where that Yeah, so that's even worse. Now

546
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Speaker 1: you're I mean, but the train's not is bad too,

547
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Speaker 1: because you're in a tunnel somewhere.

548
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Speaker 3: And now what now you have this this.

549
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Speaker 1: If you've ever been on a subway in Russia, hour right,

550
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,719
Speaker 1: people have sold shoulder to shoulders.

551
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Speaker 3: You can't move anywhere.

552
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: Now this thing takes off, it's not it's not gonna

553
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Speaker 1: be good. So that's one area I'm kind of nervous about.

554
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Speaker 3: The subway.

555
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Speaker 2: So that's a word of advice, Like if you see

556
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Speaker 2: someone with one of the those bikes on the subway,

557
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: get on another car, on a different car.

558
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't be I wouldn't be comfortable with one

559
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: of those bikes in the car and no knowing how

560
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: I know how they are on the fire conditions, Absolutely not.

561
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was one of the questions I had

562
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: for you. Like they they burn differently than like, let's say,

563
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 2: if wood was burning.

564
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Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely yes.

565
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: With they burn with like such an intensity and a

566
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Speaker 1: rapidity that is unbelievable.

567
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Speaker 3: You know that.

568
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Speaker 1: It used to be always like Christmas tree cars they're

569
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: coming into like end of December and January. They dry

570
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: out And if you ever see a Christmas treet tree go,

571
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: it goes super fast and creates a lot of heat

572
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: that I want to say pales comparison, but it's not

573
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: even close to what a battery does. These things are

574
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: like an explosive force and it happens so quick and

575
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: it has so much heat in intensity it's just like catastrophic.

576
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Speaker 1: And you know, you put that in a confined space,

577
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: like you know, in a public hallway or in a

578
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Speaker 1: house well between you and the exit, you don't have

579
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Speaker 1: time to uh, like you're There's a video from Lower Manhattan,

580
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: if you've ever seen it on YouTube. It's a city

581
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: housing project. There was two adults and two kids in

582
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Speaker 1: the apartment, and I believe that the adults had a

583
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Speaker 1: business where they would charge people to come charge their

584
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: devices there. So they were batteries all over charging and

585
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: that's how they were making money. Well, one of them

586
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: failed and the apartment was completely in gulf. The two

587
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: adults ended up losing their lives, but the two kids

588
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: had the wherewithal to make it to the window. And

589
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: there's a yellow gas pipe that runs the xterior of

590
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Speaker 1: the building, which was like pretty close to where the

591
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: window was. They both they were like four or five

592
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: floors up, so they're fairly high up in the building.

593
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,959
Speaker 1: They were able to get out of the window and

594
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: shimmy down that gas safety. It's all our video, I

595
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 1: mean everything is our video today, right, so you can

596
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: watch it if you google it, you'll see it, or

597
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: YouTube you'll see them climb out of the window and

598
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: they climbed down before the fire departments even in the

599
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: I mean it happens that fast. Like you know, we

600
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: get there within a couple of minutes, but you don't

601
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: have a couple of minutes if you're in that apartment.

602
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Speaker 3: You got to you gotta go, like now.

603
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 2: So when you guys show up to one of these fires,

604
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 2: do you know right away that this that that is

605
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: what it is because it has a different presentation or

606
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: is it something you learn like afterwards?

607
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: Uh?

608
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 3: You Usually it's afterwards.

609
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: Although I do pull up to fires where like the

610
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: fire is pretty well advanced, and you know, I work

611
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: in a populated area, so it's not there's.

612
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: Like a delay and discovery of the fire.

613
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: Everybody has a cell phone, so you know, fire out

614
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: of window, people are call and we get like multiple calls.

615
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: People are calling right away, so it's usually discovered fairly quickly,

616
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: as as opposed to working in a remote area where

617
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: it could be burning for a while nobody reported it.

618
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: I don't have that. Everybody reports it pretty quick. So

619
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: a lot of fires I'm coming to now are pretty advanced.

620
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: But then for a couple of different reasons, it could

621
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: be building construction. But these things tend to to definitely

622
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: make the fire go into its advanced ages a lot faster.

623
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Speaker 3: Excuse me.

624
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: So when I pull up and I see an advanced fire,

625
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: it's one of my questions in my mind, Oh, I

626
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: wonder if this.

627
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: Is uh and you know that they am I on battery.

628
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: Then once the fire is knocked down and you know,

629
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: we're in there, we're doing our search. We kind of

630
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: have to determine, you know, cause and origin. We try

631
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: to figure out if we know what would happen. If not,

632
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: we turn it over to our you're a fire investigation.

633
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: They'll call me say cheap we got we got a scooter,

634
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: or we got batteries and stuff, and then that tough'ts

635
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: the whole protocol for us as far as how do

636
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: we deal with that and everything. So if I don't

637
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: know right away because uh, you know maybe but more

638
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: than likely after the fire lockdown, they'll call me and

639
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: they'll say, we have a scooter or it not necessarily

640
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: that the scooter started the fire, but it might have

641
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: added to the fire, uh, because.

642
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 3: It was involved in the fire.

643
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: So sometimes I've had fires where this where the battery

644
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: wasn't the cause of the fire. It was involved in

645
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: the fire air and once it started burning, it just

646
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 1: added to the fire problem.

647
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's another interesting fact. So you keep you

648
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: keep mentioning scooters or scooters, like, would you say, like

649
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: the number one.

650
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: These e bikes seem to be the most the most prevalent.

651
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: That from my experience is Yeah, it's the it's the

652
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: e bikes, the scooter stuff like that, the hoverboards, those

653
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: type of devices the one that I see most often

654
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: causing the problem. That not to say that a laptop

655
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: or a cell phone can't cause a problem. I tell

656
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: my kids, like I you know, and I get it.

657
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: They're on their phone with their girlfriend or their friends

658
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: or whatever, and they fall asleep and the phone's charging

659
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: in their bed.

660
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, First of all, I don't even

661
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: want them having their phone at night. It's for other reason.

662
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: That's like a whole other reason exactly.

663
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: I said.

664
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: But if you've gotta have it, I want you to

665
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: put it like on the night stand or on the

666
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: desk and let it charge, because you know, you covered

667
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: with the blanket and the pillow. Now you're overheating the

668
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: device it's charging. It's just increasing the likelihood having a problem.

669
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not a fan of having the

670
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: phone and you know in the bed with the charger

671
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: or an iPad or a laptop or anything it needs.

672
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 3: It doesn't need to be smothered. You're just creating you're

673
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 3: increasing your chances of having a problem. Basic.

674
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've actually had a couple followers of mine send

675
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: me like crazy photos of like one kid had the

676
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: same thing you're saying, like the phone was plugged in,

677
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: then the bed next to him and it like it

678
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: caught on fire and burned his necklace on his neck

679
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: and the cord was like all burned up, and I

680
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, Like but this is it's

681
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: just like stuff regular people don't don't realize. This is

682
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: why we have to talk to firemen that see this

683
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: kind of stuff.

684
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: Because absolutely, yeah, I mean, you know what, you can't

685
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: control everything, but you can kind of minimize your exposure

686
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: to issue. So if a device is gonna fail internally,

687
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: there's not much you can do to prevent it other

688
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: than you know how you store, how you charge it.

689
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: You'll follow the directions by the manufacturer. So I don't

690
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: charge things overnight if I don't have to when I'm sleeping,

691
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: I definitely don't keep anything near my egress. So I

692
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: don't have anything between me and my way out of

693
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: the room. I don't have anything by me in the window.

694
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: I don't keep anything in direct sunlight. Like if you

695
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: ever have you ever had your cell phone like on

696
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: the dashboard of your car and it sits in the

697
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: sun and that's you know, you take it and then

698
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: there's like a thermometer there on temperature gage is the

699
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: phone's too hot?

700
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: Have you ever?

701
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's internally heating up and that's not good.

702
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: So now you couple that with charging it, and you

703
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: could be active for problem. So you know, they're they're

704
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: electronic devices and they have limitations, and if you push

705
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 1: those limitations that that's when you can have a problem.

706
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: And those are the ones that are made to normal standards.

707
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: Now taking the fact that you have counterfeit ones who

708
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: aren't made to the right specifications, which might have a

709
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: fire on the normal conditions, and now you put that

710
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: under your pillow or under your bed, or indirect sunlight

711
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: or you know, in the path of your egress, and

712
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: people are surprised when they have a problem.

713
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: It's like, well, you what do you expects gonna have.

714
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: This is this is something I was gonna like talk

715
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: to you about just because I have you here, because

716
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: this is always interesting to have with the firewives that

717
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: when we sit around and talk about like what is

718
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: your husband totally crazy about in your house or whatever.

719
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: So Gabe is the same way as far as like

720
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: the way the furniture is set up in the bedrooms

721
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: and stuff. You can't put anything in front of the window.

722
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: He's just where our kids just like they want to

723
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: put a big dresser or big like bed or something,

724
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: and he's always crazy about that. Like this has to

725
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: be clear every single night, all the time. So what

726
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: are some things in your house that you're that you're

727
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: like a little nuts about because of your experience?

728
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, I agree with that. So first of all,

729
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: no candles in our house.

730
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: Uh. The only thing I'll let I say, all right, listen,

731
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: if you want to have to have have a candle,

732
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you know in the house, a floating bath one, okay,

733
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: so if it flips over, it's in the water.

734
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: I'm okay with that.

735
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: Otherwise, nothing by the stove, nothing by you know, no

736
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: candles in the house that been to a bunch of

737
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: fires where candles cause fires, obviously.

738
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,959
Speaker 2: Right, So let me tell you about this thing I

739
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: just bought. It's like a It's a thing that plugs

740
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: into the wall and you put the candle on it

741
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: and it melts the wax and the smell comes out.

742
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: But like there's no flame. Is that okay?

743
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: So I have a problem with those other like those

744
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: the ones that get really hot that you're plugging, like

745
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: the scented ones.

746
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: I hate those things. I tell my wife doesn't know

747
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: what we're not getting those things.

748
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: They get so hot, Like I touched a few of them, Like,

749
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: I don't like this, it's like the oil inside of it.

750
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not.

751
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: A fing like gape doesn't know that we have those,

752
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: but we have not say.

753
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: I don't know anything. I don't know anything. But uh, person,

754
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of those. No, I'd rather I'd

755
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: rather not. I just don't trust. I mean, anything can

756
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: happen with those days. You're just taking an extra chance.

757
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're home during the day, you have

758
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: it in, you want to plug it, keep it, eye

759
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: on it, Okay, But like I wouldn't sleep with it in,

760
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: and I certainly wouldn't leave it pluged in when I'm

761
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: not home.

762
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: So anything you're saying, like anything that feels hot when

763
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: you go up to it, is just.

764
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: Like, well, well, not like you know, things gonna get heat.

765
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: Like my laptop is warm right now because you know

766
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: it's it's it's running and charging.

767
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: That's normal. But I mean, like sometimes they get extra hot.

768
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 3: I don't like when it's hot.

769
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: And I've had a few cell phones too that were

770
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: charging and I was like, man, it gets awfully hot.

771
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm not sure what's up with that's

772
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: all unplugged.

773
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: Let it cool off for a while.

774
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: No, he's just supposed to get hot, Like you know

775
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: your TV's hot. I mean things get hot normally. That's

776
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: in a microwave. That's normal. Uh, operating temperature with the

777
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: operating that's that's fine. But like those those little like

778
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: renews it, I think they call them the little liquid

779
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: things you plug in, Like I think it's super hot.

780
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: I don't. I just don't feel puffable with those. I don't.

781
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: I don't like those from my house. But I'm kind

782
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: of a little oci also. I told us, like when

783
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: we go on vacation, my wife and kids are kind

784
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: of like programmed. Now, whatever hotel room we're in, I

785
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: go all right, before we settle in, I want you

786
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: to count the number of doors and what side of

787
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: the hallway it's on to the staircase. So if we

788
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: have to go and there's a smoke condition or it's

789
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: lights out they lost power, you know, I know that

790
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: I make it right out of my room, three doors in,

791
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: just open the door that's the staircase and move them

792
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: in the stairs and we can go. So I do

793
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: stuff like that where, you know, just for a situational awareness, I.

794
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: Think that's genius, actually, and I'm gonna I'm gonna mention

795
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: that to Gabe that we should, that we should because

796
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: he's got his own things that we do or whatever.

797
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: But I think regular people don't understand that. When you're

798
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: in the hotel, like, it looks all light bright and shiny,

799
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: and I have no idea what it's like to be

800
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: inside a fire because I've never been in one, but

801
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: I've seen videos obviously, and it's scary that you only

802
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: could feel, and you don't like in your own house,

803
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 2: you can probably more easily find your way out.

804
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 3: Because you know, you familiar with it.

805
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: Although I would counter that with the fact that you know,

806
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: when you're walking through your house, your vanished point of

807
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: your house is from on your your whatever however toil

808
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: you or that's your view of your house. Right in

809
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: a smoke condition, you're not going to be standing up

810
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: walking around your house, so your your view of your

811
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: house is going to be on the ground.

812
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: Can you know where you are?

813
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: Obviously, But we're not used to crawling around our houses, right,

814
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: So middle of the night with smoke and everything, you

815
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: could be disoriented number one, because it's stressful.

816
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 3: Number two. More than likely you came out of a sleep,

817
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 3: so you're kind of like figuring out what's going on.

818
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: And you're not used to.

819
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: Crawling around your house, so you could even be disoriented

820
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: in your own house. People, We lose more people in

821
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: the United States in their own house houses than anywhere else.

822
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: And fires, and that's where you live. It's what you're

823
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: most familiar with.

824
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: So should we drill our kids to get out of

825
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: the house by crawling around the floor and us too?

826
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: I guess I don't, But I mean it's good to

827
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's familiar with landmarks and stuff.

828
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you know your house, so but uh, it's

829
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: good to have drills for sure where you're gonna meet obviously, absolutely,

830
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean.

831
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: Without a doubt.

832
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, without a doubt, because it's that that's realistically, that's

833
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: and statistically, that's where you're gonna have the problems.

834
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 3: At home. You spend the most time there, right, and

835
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 3: that's where they could be the most.

836
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: Uh you know, you're sleeping every night, that's when you're

837
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: at your most prone basically, and the fire starts.

838
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 3: That's where we have all these problems.

839
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's this is it's also interesting now you're like,

840
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna do some stuff every I

841
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: always want to hear other people's perspective from this because

842
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 2: it's like, but I I always tell Gabe, I'm like,

843
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 2: if anything happens to our house, it's one hundred percent

844
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: going to be while when you're at work, and I'm

845
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: going to be here by myself with the kids and that,

846
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like that that always scares

847
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 2: me because if he's here obviously, I'm like, I don't

848
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: even worry, but I do worry those couple of nights

849
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: that he's you know, he's not here.

850
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 1: I told that my wife and I had the same

851
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: conversation like during uh, during Sandy and like that.

852
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: I believe the the October before.

853
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: Sandy, we have like two catastrophic storms that we lost

854
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: power and everything, and we didn't have a generator in

855
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: our house, and both for Sandy and in the year

856
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: before we had other storm.

857
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 3: I was working.

858
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: So she's home by herself, and the kids were younger

859
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: back then, obviously, and she's like, you're never home with

860
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: didn't go crazy.

861
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm working. So I said, you know what,

862
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 3: I said, that's it, I said.

863
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: The year after Sandy, I saved some money and we

864
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: put a natural gas generator like a stand by generator

865
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: at our house. So this way of power goes out,

866
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: it automatically starts up and powers the house. And then

867
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: she's good, we haven't lost power since I'll know that.

868
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: So but whatever, at least the peace of mind knowing

869
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: that I'm at work and then you know, everybody back

870
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: home is at least they have some power to you know,

871
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Speaker 1: put some lights on and heat or whatever it is,

872
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Speaker 1: and I don't have to worry about it, like the's

873
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: some pumps and stuff like that. So at least they're

874
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Speaker 1: kind of when I'm in the city dealing with all

875
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Speaker 1: the stuff down there.

876
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Speaker 3: In the back of my mind, at.

877
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: Least I know that there's some some of a safety

878
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: net back home for everybody else.

879
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good idea. I know that haven't to

880
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: us like our alarm, Like you know, the house alarm

881
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: has went off like twice just for I don't know why.

882
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 2: Sometimes it gets like a high pitched sound, the glass

883
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: break goes off or something. One time it was like

884
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: there was like a five fox outside that was like

885
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: mating caller screaming and that high pitch noise. But it's

886
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: always like he's not home and it's three o'clock in

887
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 2: the morning and scaring the shit out of me, and

888
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, like why, like how do

889
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: you even pick this? I don't even understand.

890
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Speaker 3: And then the police come and see what's going on.

891
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: Right, we can actually call them and say like, don't

892
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: come if it's not But that one time, I was

893
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: like should I have them come? Like I don't know

894
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 2: why it went off, but I did hear the fox scream,

895
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Speaker 2: so I was like it was probably that or whatever.

896
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Speaker 3: Gotcha? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the things it always happened. That's

897
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 3: that's the life.

898
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: Of being in a firefighter's wife right, Like it's like

899
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: whatever you need is so for everybody else?

900
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 3: What about me?

901
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, your wife and I could have some conversations.

902
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, without a doubt, without of doubt.

903
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Speaker 3: All right.

904
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Speaker 1: So one other thing I do it if I just

905
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Speaker 1: my seat, my OCD kicks in. And I've had a

906
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: bunch of these is whenever we go away, like not

907
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: every day, when I go away, like for a weekend

908
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Speaker 1: or whatever, we're doing something with the kids with sports,

909
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Speaker 1: I always got the water off to my washer and

910
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: dryer because I can't tell you how many broken hoses

911
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: I've been to and it creates floods everywhere, especially the

912
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: hot water hose. You keep that valve on and it bursts,

913
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Speaker 1: and I've been to houses where there's water coming out

914
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Speaker 1: of the staircase because the water is just running.

915
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Speaker 3: Nobody.

916
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Speaker 1: Yes, I shut the valve off behind the behind the

917
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Speaker 1: washing machine, because I you know, if it bursts, it's

918
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: only a couple of a gallon into a water. If

919
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: that valve is open, you know, until somebody shuts it,

920
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: the water's gonna be running.

921
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Speaker 2: So yeah, this is like again things that just regular

922
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Speaker 2: people don't think about yeah, I know and that and

923
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Speaker 2: that would be thousands of dollars worth of damage.

924
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Speaker 1: Like I'm mad a plus your water building the roof

925
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Speaker 2: Circling back to our battery discussion, like what I guess

946
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Speaker 2: I mean in a perfect world, like if you could

947
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 2: fix everything, Like what what's the solution because where let's say,

948
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Speaker 2: for example, you were saying that we would put it

949
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Speaker 2: like in our shed or something at our house if

950
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Speaker 2: we had something like that charging, But like what when

951
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: you live in an apartment, an apartment building, Like what

952
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: what is the solution to to not having these things

953
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: in buildings?

954
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: So legislation is one of the biggest things. You're not

955
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: really supposed to have them in your apartments, right, So

956
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: New York City they have their legislation now where they're saying,

957
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: so the landlord is supposed to post it, and it's

958
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: supposed to let you know when you when you rent

959
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: there or you own, like you're not allowed to keep

960
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: them in your apartment. So they're gonna have to come

961
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: up with it, and they're doing it with city housing projects.

962
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: They have these different programs where they're like safe areas

963
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: to charge and they'll give it like docking stations that

964
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: are outside the building or in a safe area or

965
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: in a room that's made to contain a fire. It's

966
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: gonna have to be through design and through legislation. And

967
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: the biggest thing too, is like and bigger than us.

968
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: It's more on a federal level, I think, is with

969
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: the trade. Like you know, things that come in you

970
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: order something on Amazon from some foreign country. You know,

971
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: they don't follow the same regulations that we do. They

972
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: don't have the same safety standards, So you're getting something

973
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Speaker 1: cheaper from another country.

974
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Speaker 3: You know. That's on a federal level. We really can't

975
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: change that locally.

976
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: That that's more of like you know, international trade has

977
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: to really get involved and say, listen, we're not going

978
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: to accept stuff that's substandard.

979
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: We don't we're not going to even have it coming

980
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: to the country.

981
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Speaker 2: That makes you nervous. With other things like blankets and

982
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 2: like pajamas, you know how like pajamas for kids are

983
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 2: supposed to be like yeah, anyway, and like the like

984
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: cosmetics and stuff that have chemicals in them that we

985
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: don't allow.

986
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: Here, people get REACTI exactly exactly how many times you

987
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: see people go for surgeries other countries that aren't allowed

988
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: to here and they have problems over there, Like you know,

989
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: there's there's rules and regulations in place for a reason, right,

990
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: I mean, trying to protect our people for the best

991
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: they can, and people want to circumvent that. The other

992
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: big problem, though, is even if we enforce all this stuff,

993
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: Let's say, let's say we get the legislation in and

994
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: then then the federal government.

995
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 3: Puts these these these restrictions in place.

996
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: That's great, But what do we do with everything that's

997
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: already here right cause that's not gonna that's not going

998
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: to be retroactive saying that, Okay, now the problem solved,

999
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: Like no, no, no, we're going to prevent stuff from happening

1000
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: in the future by you know, not allowing this stuff

1001
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: into the country and having rules for it. But there's

1002
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: already how many millions of devices are already here, how

1003
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: many millions of batteries are already here?

1004
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 3: We're you know, that could be a problem.

1005
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: So it's not going to solve everything because we already

1006
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: have stuff here. You know, if I had the million

1007
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 1: dollar answer, I mean, I don't know. That's just part

1008
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: of it, I think, and I think a lot of

1009
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Speaker 1: it is also public education, like you know, teaching people

1010
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: what can happen to these things if you don't use

1011
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: them properly. If you if you don't, you know, take

1012
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: all the instructions of how you're supposed to use the

1013
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: actual how you're supposed to charge them, how you're supposed

1014
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: to use them. Don't use secondhand batteries, don't repurpose them.

1015
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: Know what a counterfeit like ul.

1016
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 3: Sticker looks like like a fake sticker.

1017
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: You know, if you're spending if you're buying a piece

1018
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: of equipment that should cost a couple hundred bucks and

1019
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: you're getting it for fifty bucks, that should be raising

1020
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: a flag like, oh, you know, why is it so cheap? Well,

1021
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: it's so cheap because it's probably not made the way

1022
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be made.

1023
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Speaker 3: So you know what I'm saying.

1024
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: Like, So, I think a lot of it is with

1025
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Speaker 1: public education and and and how you take personal responsibility

1026
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: for your stuff, like you know what, don't charge things overnight,

1027
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: don't charge things in the public hallway, don't charge things

1028
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, well under your blanket or your pillow while

1029
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: you're sleeping at night. Do I think there's a personal

1030
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: responsibility on everybody to kind of, you know, take precautions

1031
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: that can minimize your risk of having.

1032
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: A catastrophic event with these batteries. Yeah, one's whole solution.

1033
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Speaker 2: It's it's really good like this. Hopefully like everyone in

1034
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: New York will just listen to this podcast and it'll

1035
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: just wow, that's a lot.

1036
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, just to make you aware.

1037
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Speaker 1: I mean, like that's awareness with anything, right, I mean,

1038
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: any any type of public awareness, just to be.

1039
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: Because people operate, they don't they don't even know that

1040
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: this is a problem.

1041
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: People buy stuff and they do things every day and

1042
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, like we were kind of joking before,

1043
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: like I'm not a tech savvy person, right, so my

1044
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: kids usually help me with stuff. But like imagine like

1045
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: a generation that's older than us, they're not used to

1046
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: even having cell phones. They don't even think about it,

1047
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: Oh I got a cell phone. They're not thinking about, oh,

1048
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: it's charging you know on my couch and the pillow

1049
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: when it overheated. That not even and they've been don't

1050
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: even know how to use the cell phones on people

1051
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: like I'm not even trying to figure this out.

1052
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 3: So they did not really even think that's not even

1053
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:23,479
Speaker 3: on their radar.

1054
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Speaker 2: Basically, Yeah, I mean, this is a conversation I have

1055
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: with Gabe all the time about like we were talking

1056
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 2: about this is like a completely different story. But I

1057
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: just thought, you're gonna think I sound like an issue.

1058
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 2: But like I before I met him, I didn't even

1059
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 2: know there was a difference between professional firefighters and volunteer

1060
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: firefighters as I grew up in the Burbs and we

1061
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: just had, I guess, volunteer all over. And another thing

1062
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: is like if someone's house caught on fire, I just

1063
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: always was like, oh, well, the fire burned it down.

1064
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: I didn't really realize that the firemen can really if

1065
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: they're doing a good job and the response time is good,

1066
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Speaker 2: that their job is also to not only save people,

1067
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Speaker 2: but to protect the property as well. So sometimes we'll

1068
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 2: just be talking about that that like things burn faster

1069
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: than they should or whatever, just because like somebody wasn't

1070
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: doing the proper thing, and and I'm like, I don't.

1071
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Speaker 2: I try to tell him, I'm like, I rich people

1072
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: don't really think about that. They just think, like the

1073
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: fire burned it down, it wasn't anybody's fault, or.

1074
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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, no, absolutely, I mean there's things I mean,

1075
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: but like you know, there's things that we're hyper focused

1076
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: on it because that's what we do. That's what we

1077
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: see all the time, right, we get cold to these

1078
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: emergencies and wet, and we see it. But a lot

1079
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: of people take it for granted, like you know, like

1080
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: they don't it's not on their radar. It's like a

1081
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: blind spot for them, like, oh, I just take it

1082
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: for granted that my house is going to be there,

1083
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: or well I just plug my phone in and I

1084
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: just take it off and I go to work that day.

1085
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 3: It's just going to be working for me.

1086
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: But when things happen, like I said, we get cold

1087
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: to all these things that happened, we see the negative

1088
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: effects of all these things, and it's I mean, statistically,

1089
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: like I said, I mean, the numbers are creeping up.

1090
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: I think we said it's like eighteen fire deaths or

1091
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: seventeen fire deaths this year from batteries, and that's trending upwards.

1092
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 3: So we definitely have a huge problem on our hands.

1093
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: But I think if we're making people more and more

1094
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: aware of it, I'm hoping that those numbers will start

1095
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: coming down.

1096
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: I mean, we always have fired.

1097
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: Us unfortunately, but but but we can't, you know, we

1098
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: can't control.

1099
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 3: So I've got to be measured in how I say this.

1100
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: In the profession that we all work in emergency services, Right,

1101
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: I look at like, bad things happen regardless, Like we

1102
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: try to save as many lives as we can, but

1103
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: still bad stuff happens.

1104
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 3: Right, So I look at it two ways. I look

1105
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: at it. The best way for me to reconcile these

1106
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 3: things is like my process verirs the outcome.

1107
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: So I look at it. I have my training, my education,

1108
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: I drill my firefighters, we do public awareness, we do

1109
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: all this stuff. We're going to work with the legislation

1110
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: to enact law to keep people safe.

1111
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: And that's all in our process.

1112
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 1: Right, We control our process even we do all that stuff, Right,

1113
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 1: you have a fire, we don't really control the outcome.

1114
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: People die, things happen. That's not really in our control.

1115
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,479
Speaker 1: So I focus more on our process and the things

1116
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: of what I can actually control and then hope to

1117
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: minimize the risk for everybody. But the outcome is really

1118
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: largely out of our control. Like if if there's a

1119
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: catastrophic fire and people died in spite of all these

1120
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: things that we had in place.

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00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 3: You know, we don't you know, I don't have I

1122
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: don't have control.

1123
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: Of it, So I think that's yes, And that's something

1124
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: I see a lot with the cases that I present

1125
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 2: on my website, just with other types of accidental deaths.

1126
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: It's like you just can't. Every day you just hear

1127
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: of something and you're like, how did that happen? No

1128
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: one's ever died like that, No one's. It's just like

1129
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: there's freak accidents all the time, and you can't control

1130
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: all of it. Obviously, No you can't.

1131
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: You can't, Yeah, absolutely so. And we do that with

1132
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: like leadership on the fire. We talk about that, especially

1133
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: as like a chief officer. I talk about the h

1134
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: and this is not mine, this is what I gotten

1135
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: from working with leadership on the fire. But I talk

1136
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: about the ape, like the things that we can control

1137
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: as humans. And I try to in my personal life

1138
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: but also my professional life, try to remember that I

1139
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: control my attitude.

1140
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 3: There's one hundred percent of my control. My preparation, right, my.

1141
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: Training, my my physical working out, the classes, I go to,

1142
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: the drills and stuff like that, any preparation I put

1143
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: into it. Nobody can prepare for for me or you

1144
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: or anybody. You prepare for yourself and then my effort, right,

1145
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: So if I decide I'm going to give two hundred

1146
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,720
Speaker 1: percent today whatever it is. I mean, you control your effort,

1147
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: and whenever you energy you're going to expend, that's completely

1148
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: into your control. So I put that with my process,

1149
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: my attitude, my preparation, and my effort. I focus all

1150
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: that on my process. So I know what my process

1151
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: is as solid as I possibly can make it, and

1152
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: I keep that independent from my outcome. I know my

1153
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: process is good, and I work on my process, and

1154
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 1: that's what I give every day when I go to work,

1155
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: and you know, at.

1156
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 3: Home, I try to give one hundred percent.

1157
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: I focus no three things what I can control, and

1158
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: I just kind of accept the fact that the outcome

1159
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: of that is out of my out of my control.

1160
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: It kind of helps, especially when you have like a

1161
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 1: lot of fatal fires and stuff. It kind of helped

1162
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: reconcile in my head, like, all right, listen, I did

1163
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: everything I was supposed to do. I controlled it what

1164
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: I could control, the uncontrollable through out of my out

1165
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: of my you know that I can't do anything with

1166
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: those that stuff happens.

1167
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes I think I think that those rules are just

1168
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: not applicable to firefighters, but just for everything, just like

1169
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: you know, one of my kids has like a health issue.

1170
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you could use it towards any aspect of life,

1171
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 2: which which is hard because you have to focus and

1172
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: just be like you can't control this, and that's that's

1173
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: like the Yeah, the pandemic and everything like that was

1174
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: hard for me because I'm in medicine and just sitting

1175
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 2: back and like having to deal.

1176
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 3: With that absolult So that brings me up.

1177
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: So and I'm sure you know, being married to a firefighter,

1178
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: we're like fixers and doers, right, you can't tell a

1179
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 1: firefighter like, oh, you can't do that, you can't fish Like, no, no,

1180
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it, right, So like that's like a

1181
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: huge lift for us, Like what do you mean I

1182
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: can't control that? Yeah, of course we can. Like no,

1183
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: you really can't, Like that's your control. Like if you

1184
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: think about it, you know, looking at it from a

1185
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: bigger view, w it's like, now we don't we really

1186
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: don't control the outcomes of these things. And my wife

1187
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: and I were talking, you know, medically during the pandemic,

1188
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: like the engine companies and this is ftmy specific they

1189
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: go on what they call CFR they're trained to CFRD

1190
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: Certified First Responder with a defibrillation training, like basically a

1191
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: step below and EMPT. So they go out and they

1192
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: do all medical runs and they're usually quicker because there's

1193
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: more of US engine companies before EMS, and they work

1194
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 1: together with the EMS and the FDA wide. Then they'll

1195
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: transport to the hospital and everything, and they're a little

1196
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: higher level of care, you know, advanced life support and

1197
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: stuff like that.

1198
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 3: They're higher levels than we are.

1199
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Speaker 1: But during the pandemic, it wasn't uncommon for the engine companies,

1200
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: like in my area throughout the whole city to go

1201
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: on emstrants fifteen twenty times a tour, and most, if

1202
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: not all of them were COVID cases and the people

1203
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: were were deceased, so like where they had to actually

1204
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: change our protocols for this at the state level for

1205
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, like basically abandoning their patient because you know,

1206
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do your interventions until either you are

1207
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: exhausted or until you're relieved by somebody equal or higher. Well,

1208
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: we didn't have resources for that, and these and there's

1209
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: other people we have to serve. Now you're there with

1210
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: a person that's deceased, you know, how when do you call,

1211
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: Like when do we say we're done here?

1212
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 3: We can't do anything.

1213
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: So there was a huge there was a lot of

1214
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: problems psychologically for guys, like like kind of reconciling that,

1215
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 1: like you know, we're here to help, like these people

1216
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: can't even be helped. And at the same time, we

1217
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 1: reading the newspaper and I was saying to my wife

1218
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: they said, oh, hospitalizations from Covert to down And I'm like, yeah,

1219
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: do you know why that is? It's because they're not

1220
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: making it to the hospital. They're dying in their apartment,

1221
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: so of course it's down. They never left that, they're

1222
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: dead in their bed, so that's why the hospitals are down.

1223
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, it was tough time to.

1224
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: Go through such a crazy Yeah, you've been something through

1225
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 2: some crazy things in your career. What what's next for you?

1226
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 2: Like I know that you So you've been you've basically

1227
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 2: been on the job like as most as long as

1228
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: Gabe has been. So what's the deal in New York

1229
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: as far as retirement goes and stuff?

1230
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: So you're eligible for retirement in twenty years, which, oh, okay,

1231
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: you can go for me. Yeah, regardless of it, there's

1232
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: no age requirement, so it's you have to be twenty

1233
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: one to get hired, so potentially forty one you could

1234
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: be the earliest you can retire.

1235
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 3: You got to do twenty years. Again, I've been on

1236
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 3: for a little while.

1237
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: The pensions are different now, so if you're a new hire,

1238
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: it's a different pension system.

1239
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 3: It's different. They have an age.

1240
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: Requirement and a time requirement where somebody that came on

1241
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: the job before it's only time on. So for me personally,

1242
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: twenty years on the job regardless of your age, and

1243
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: you'll retire with a half paid pension. But you know,

1244
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean we still have the four kids there in school.

1245
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: I got colleges coming and everything, so long as they

1246
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: stay healthy realitically probably another ten years or so.

1247
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just as Gabe game is like, I'll never retire,

1248
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: but I don't have to write.

1249
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: Now twenty six so you know, six then we'll say,

1250
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: and that'll give me thirty three years.

1251
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 3: Then we'll say, but yeah, I have no plans.

1252
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: And actually, uh, this past June, I shot for the

1253
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: promotion exam for the next rank. I did fairly well.

1254
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: There's no promotions yet. They gotta you know, it's a

1255
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: whole civil service. It's uh, I joke about hurry up

1256
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: and wait with the city, right, you take everything like

1257
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: a year, but they're working on it and probably within

1258
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: the year, so I probably get promoted to the next rank.

1259
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 3: Is that deputy chief?

1260
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: Okay?

1261
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 3: Yep?

1262
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: I didn't know if it was like the same or

1263
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: remember that's cool enough?

1264
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 3: Yep. So so that'll be the next the next next venture.

1265
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: And what and you did you spoke about We've both

1266
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: spoke about leadership under Fire a couple of times, but

1267
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 2: can you explain to everyone what exactly that is because

1268
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 2: for people that don't know about it.

1269
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 3: Sure. So.

1270
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 1: Jason Dressler is the founder of Leadership on the Fire.

1271
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: He uh is currently a lieutenant in the New York

1272
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: City Fire Department, but he started this initiative within the

1273
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: FDNY and on the outside with Leadership on the Fire

1274
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: basically based on his experienced as a Marine Corps officer,

1275
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 1: and he was overseas, you know, fighting commanding a group

1276
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: of Marines, and he had his experiences there and he

1277
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: played baseball at a fairly high level so.

1278
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 3: During college.

1279
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: So bringing his sports experience, his military experience, and his

1280
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: firefighting experience together, he's in a unique position, and he

1281
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: saw like there was this gap in human performance. Basically

1282
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: the military had it, professional sports had it, but the

1283
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: fire service really didn't. And the Fire Service was always

1284
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: focused on like studying about you know, how our tools

1285
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: respond to stress, and how our infrastructure like the gas

1286
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 1: and electric services response to stress. How a building response

1287
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: to stress, you know, from collapse or fire, but nothing

1288
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: really how we responded. And when I say stress, I

1289
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 1: don't mean like PTSD type thing. I'm talking more about

1290
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: when humans are performing understrustful conditions, how how we react.

1291
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: What happens like when that saber truth tiger was chasing

1292
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: us years ago. You know, how does that manifest now

1293
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, where there's no more

1294
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: sable too, tiger, but you have a building on fire,

1295
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: or you have an active shooter coming after you or

1296
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: whatever it is like, you know, our body doesn't all

1297
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: the difference. We just know that it's a fight, flight

1298
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: or freeze type of reaction. So it explores that and

1299
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 1: so much more. You know, how we how we react

1300
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: to stress, What what systems are online or offline, you know,

1301
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: auditory exclusion, tunnel vision, loss of fine motor skills, memory

1302
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: distortions and stuff like that. Like it's it's amazing and

1303
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 1: there's so much to it, and I'm, you know, just

1304
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: scraping the tip of the iceberg, and they are so

1305
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: fight so far ahead of me as far as like

1306
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: Jason and people we are in Luff and in the

1307
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: FDOI are like we been on this path for a while,

1308
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: like studying this stuff. I'm coming in behind them trying

1309
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: to study. But the more I kind of read and

1310
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: try to ask, the more questions I have, the more

1311
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: like there's like so much to it, it's unbelievable. But really,

1312
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: who's championing this is professional sports because of the lucrative

1313
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: nature of sports. So like if we're like let's say

1314
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 1: you and I are professional baseball pitchers. Physically we're pretty

1315
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: much equal. We can throw high speed in the same pitches.

1316
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: But what differentiates us. It's really the mental game, and

1317
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: that's where they're focusing on in sports. And then like

1318
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: in the high operative military world too, they do it too,

1319
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: Like the Special Forces people.

1320
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 3: Do that, so we're kind of like modeling it off them.

1321
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 2: But for the Fire Service, it's it's such a great organization.

1322
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: I'm glad it can be a part of it.

1323
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, game is absolutely you know how Yeah, it's it's

1324
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: it's really helped me. And you know, I've had some

1325
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: catastrophic fires both previous to having any kind of understanding

1326
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: of human performance under stress, and I thought like something

1327
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: was wrong with me, and then I've had some catastrophic failures, fires,

1328
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: fatal fires. After that I had an understanding of human

1329
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: performance on the stress, and it was a huge difference

1330
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: in my performance number one and number two, just kind

1331
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: of how I view it and how I think about

1332
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: it and understanding like what I was feeling and what

1333
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: happened to me, and knowing that none of us are immune.

1334
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: If you're human, like, you're not immune from this stuff,

1335
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: like it's gonna happen. Even with understanding of it. You

1336
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: can still have tunnel vision and you can still have

1337
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: like these memory gaps and memory.

1338
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 3: Distortions and off.

1339
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: And the bottom line is that that that's helped me

1340
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: again with that, with that eight and looking at process

1341
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 1: first outcome. But the other big thing is that's helped

1342
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: me out is that it's totally normal, like you're not crazy,

1343
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: like you're normal, like you experienced this stuff. Yeah, that's

1344
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: that's because you're human and you're normal. And for me,

1345
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: as the firefighters at the chief like that kind of

1346
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: like is like okay, yeah, hey, I was suppot to

1347
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,479
Speaker 1: feel that way because this is like, you know, people

1348
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: are dead. I feel like crap and okay that's moment.

1349
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's really crazy because it's like this, it's

1350
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 2: the same kind of thing with I mean, obviously my

1351
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: job isn't isn't on that level, although all I do

1352
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 2: is deal with dead people and and horrible diseases and stuff.

1353
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: But nurses deal with it, police officers, EMTs everything, and

1354
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: we're like not designed any different than than a person

1355
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 2: that works at Starbucks or that works in an office.

1356
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: So there should be special tools for for people that

1357
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: are dealing in heavy jobs like that.

1358
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 3: You know, yes, And I think.

1359
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: One of the biggest things I got out of left too,

1360
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: And it's a it's a it's a kind of like

1361
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: a a shift in your and your view of things

1362
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: is you know, if you google like mental health and

1363
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: like stress and like in all those areas police, fire,

1364
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: medical staff, you're gonna see at bunch stuff on PTSD,

1365
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: right and and that that and that's real and that's

1366
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: that's definitely something we have to deal with. So being

1367
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: exposed to stress in the right way, you actually experience

1368
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: like post traumatic growth.

1369
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 3: Like so you're growing out of the experience.

1370
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: So like you know, because you're doing your good work

1371
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: and you're helping and you're exposed to all this kind

1372
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: of bad stuff, you're kind of manifesting it inside like saying,

1373
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, this stuff happened, but I'm focused on

1374
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: my process and not really kind of independent on my outcomes.

1375
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 3: And then we're doing all this stuff. You kind of

1376
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 3: grow out of it and you kind of I don't

1377
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 3: want to say you're immune from it, but it definitely

1378
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 3: builds up.

1379
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: I guess there's a tolerance the right word where you

1380
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: kind of are as opposed to the idea an untrained

1381
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: personal with the actual average civilian walking into this being like,

1382
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: oh this is terrible, Like yeah, all right, but you

1383
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: know what, you kind of get like a growth out

1384
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: of it where next time you go to it, you

1385
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: kind of know what to And I'll give you a

1386
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: quick example, and I had this years ago when I

1387
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: was the first time I became a firefighter.

1388
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 3: I was in a ladder company.

1389
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: It worked overtime in an engine company, and the engines,

1390
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: as you know, do EMS runs. So when I was

1391
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: in the academy, I had to get trained for CPR.

1392
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 3: Right so, and I'm sure you've done this how many times? Right?

1393
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,479
Speaker 2: Well, I don't ever do CPR on dead people.

1394
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 3: No, but I don't.

1395
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 2: I'm not CPR trained at all.

1396
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 3: Oh you're not.

1397
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean I can't help.

1398
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: Them, they're right, Yeah, you can't help those people. Yeah,

1399
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: that's too far. Got now, you're right, you're Have you

1400
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:39,439
Speaker 1: ever taken a CPR course.

1401
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 2: I did a long time ago in college, like twenty

1402
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: five years ago or something.

1403
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: So it's probably the same like American Heart Association, Right,

1404
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: you do everything, You get your protocol.

1405
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 3: And what are you doing your what are you practicing on?

1406
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: You're practice practicing on like an amper rubber human, putting

1407
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: your stuff fanning and you're pressing on this plastic thing, right.

1408
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1409
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: So that was my experience up until the first day

1410
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: that I went on an EMS call and.

1411
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 3: I had the CPR for real.

1412
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: Well, nobody told me that I'm gonna feel ribs break

1413
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna smell and hear stuff and see stuff

1414
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: that I wasn't ready for. That you can't replicate in

1415
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: a plastic mannequin that you're doing your CPR on. So

1416
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: that kind of like destroyed me at first, because I'm like, what,

1417
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, it was an older woman, she was I mean,

1418
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: no pultal britage. She was technically dead right, and she

1419
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: she died. She was dead, and we're there to help,

1420
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: you know. We put the DFIB on and we're waiting,

1421
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, no shock advice and we're doing compressions, were

1422
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: waiting for.

1423
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 3: PMS to come. We got the oxygen on or all

1424
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 3: that stuff.

1425
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: But like, you know, I'm pushing down and I feel

1426
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: the ribs and I you know, it's there's the smells

1427
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: and the sites in there, and I'm like, holy, what

1428
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: the like?

1429
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 3: I was totally not prepared for that.

1430
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: So could I could I have had like a PTSD

1431
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: like reaction to that, absolutely, because it's like traumatizing, Like

1432
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: what the like?

1433
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 3: I was not prepared for that. Whereas you know, if

1434
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 3: you kind of trained somebody to expect to see that

1435
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 3: the first time, which I wasn't. I was used to

1436
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 3: the rescue Randy platic Mannaguan, that's not reality. So like

1437
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 3: if you if you train realistically and you go to

1438
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 3: Kohl's you, and you kind of, you know, are slowly

1439
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 3: exposed to this stuff.

1440
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: When it really happens, like it's not really going to

1441
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: be there's much of a like a holy crap moment

1442
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: did because you're kind of expecting it. And then once

1443
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: you've been in the field for a while doing stuff,

1444
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: and I'm sure in your field too, once you've seen

1445
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: it a bunch of times, it's kind of like you

1446
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: expect it.

1447
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 3: You know it. It levels the level of stresses down

1448
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 3: a lot.

1449
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: And I don't want to say your callous, but your

1450
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: reactions are much more temperate, I guess because you kind

1451
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: of are expecting and knows what it's about.

1452
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I can't even believe the transition that

1453
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: I had in such a short period of time where

1454
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 2: I went from like the very first time I went

1455
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 2: to go see an autopsy, there was like ten people

1456
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: in the room and I was just like, there's like

1457
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 2: a dead guy laying there, you know, like, why is

1458
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 2: no one acting weird there's a dead person laying there,

1459
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,439
Speaker 2: to like a year later, eating my lunch like next

1460
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 2: to a dead Yeah. Nothing, you know what I mean,

1461
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 2: Like you know.

1462
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say that you Yeah, I don't.

1463
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it would never happen for multitude or reasons,

1464
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: but I would. I would think that it would probably

1465
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: be good training for a new firefighter or a new

1466
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: MT or a new cop in their academy to have

1467
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: to go view an autopsy, because I mean, you're dealing

1468
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: with people so like dead people, like whether we're dragging

1469
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: them out of a building or cutting him out of

1470
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: a car or whatever.

1471
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you see, like I mean, I know that

1472
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 2: stuff that Gabe has seen, and it's like, I don't

1473
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 2: think even pulling a body out of the water, someone

1474
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: that jumped off the bridge or something, and seeing a

1475
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 2: body that's been in water for a couple of days

1476
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: in the summer. Yeah, Like it's very traumatizing to see

1477
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: a human like not dead, let alone like in that

1478
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 2: condition like severely decomposed or something, or or really mangled

1479
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 2: from an accident. And you could see anything like when

1480
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 2: you're a firefighter.

1481
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely where it's most of it all. Yeah, absolutely absolutely.

1482
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 2: I mean Gabe went on a call once of I

1483
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 2: think the guy it was like a machinery accident. The

1484
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 2: guy got his hands stuff, you know what I mean,

1485
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: Like you could see some really gnarly stuff. Absolutely that

1486
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 2: that could really scare like a young guy especially that

1487
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely I was.

1488
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: I was twenty three when I got hirded in the FDOI, right, Like,

1489
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: I went to college, I lived at home, I worked,

1490
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, my now side job was my full time

1491
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: job back then, and you.

1492
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 3: Know, I wasn't exposed to any of that stuff.

1493
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: So here I am twenty three years old, Like all right,

1494
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: next thing, I know, I'm doing CPR as a woman.

1495
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, what you know?

1496
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you know, twenty three if you

1497
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: could say the same thing about like the military guys

1498
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: back in Vietnam or World War Two, they're eighteen and

1499
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: they were in war and they' seene all stuff for

1500
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: the first time, you know. But yeah, you grow up

1501
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: kind of fast and you see that because you're not

1502
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: used to it. It's not like a normal thing. But

1503
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: for us, it is in our medical or first responder world,

1504
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: that is totally normal for us.

1505
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting that you're married to a doctor too,

1506
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 2: because I'm like you guys, you guys have the same

1507
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 2: kind of thing. There's like she has her experience with

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01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: her with what she's seen her career, and you have yours,

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Speaker 2: and it's it's cool that you could understand each other

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01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 2: on that level, you know.

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Speaker 3: So one of our first real quick that to go

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Speaker 3: to that.

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Speaker 1: One of our first dates, she was doing her residency

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Speaker 1: at Schneider's Children's Ljut and Queen look, I sphere she

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01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: did her residency. I was going to pick her up

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01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: after work for dinner. We're gonna go out. So I

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01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: went to that. She was doing her er rotation back then,

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01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: and I'm waiting for her. She's, oh, come in, I'll

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01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: be a couple minutes. I said, all right, So I

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01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: come in. I'm sitting down by like the nurses station,

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01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: and these two guys walk in in like suits and

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01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: they have to badge slipped out, so they're obviously detectives.

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Speaker 3: So I didn't think anything of it.

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01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: But they went into the same room where my then

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01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: girlfriend wasn't at my now wife and she comes back

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01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: as she goes, listen, you know, I want to call

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01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: and make the reservation. Later we're going to be delayed

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01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: for a while, all right, So long story short, she

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01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: had like a child abuse case. Somebody came into the er.

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01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: She saw some signs and she mandated reporters. She made

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01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: the phone call like hey, now this is this is

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01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: no good. And the cops came and there the detectives

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01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: took information. So, like, you know, that was all new

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01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: to me. I didn't know anything about mandated report or anything.

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01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 3: I'm dope.

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01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: It was probably twenty four back then, twenty yeah, twenty

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01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: four years old. I'm like, yeah, right, I's go out

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01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: to dinner. And then she says, no, I got to

1539
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: do this. I'm like, what's a mandated report? Like I

1540
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: didn't know any of that because that's not my world,

1541
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: like you know, some some some same way that people

1542
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: don't know about these batteries, the same way I don't

1543
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: know about being a mandated report.

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01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, what are you talking about?

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01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: You have to so yes, So from the get go,

1546
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: from our early earliest days, like both all worlds kind

1547
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: of like match together, but like I didn't really understand

1548
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: her world. She didn't understand my world. But now with

1549
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: kind of you know, even though we're on the same thing.

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01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just it's just cool though when you have,

1551
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: like imagine if she was dating a guy that had

1552
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 2: like an office job. It's just not that you can't.

1553
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 2: You have to be able to vent about like really

1554
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 2: heavy stuff, and it's just easier when someone could understand

1555
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: that level of experience at your job. You know, it's

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01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 2: it's it's not like it's just really I.

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01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 3: Lost on you, absolutely exactly, Yeah, without a doubt.

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01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 2: All Right, Well, thank you so much for being here

1559
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 2: with us today. We're definitely going to have you back

1560
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 2: to talk about nine to eleven because that's yeah, but

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01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 2: I'll have to mentally prepare for that because I kind

1562
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 2: you know how. That's another thing we could talk about

1563
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 2: is just how when you work in a really heavy field,

1564
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 2: how you totally compartmentalize things and like shut that part

1565
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:10,959
Speaker 2: of your brain off.

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01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 2: And I like to think of my husband as like

1568
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 2: sitting around the table at work and watching TV and

1569
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 2: eating a lot of like Spanish food. That's that's what

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01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 2: he does when he's at work, So I don't like

1571
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 2: to think about what he actually does.

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01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and it's interesting next time we talk we

1573
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 3: can talk about that.

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01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: But like we talk about this in luff and in

1575
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: the FDNY, like we're wired to think that we're in

1576
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: different silos, like what happens at home happens stays at home,

1577
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: and what happens at work stays at work and never should.

1578
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 3: Those two world meet. But reality is that's not the case.

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01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: Like it gets stuck in traffic coming to work, or

1580
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: you had a fight with your spouse before you come

1581
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: to work, it's obviously going to impact your work environment

1582
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: because we're human, right, that's you carry that with you,

1583
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: or if you go to a traumatic fire or you

1584
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: deal with some stressful thing at work when you come home,

1585
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, now you're dealing with the kids, in your

1586
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: in your spouse.

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01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 3: It's like, you're not gonna take.

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01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: That much to kind of, you know, push your buttons

1589
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: because you're already at that elevated level. Even though we

1590
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: like to think we separate stuff, I don't think we're

1591
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: really good at separating stuff.

1592
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 3: It's kind of no for sure.

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01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the person that's married to you has to

1594
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 2: really be able to maneuver that the best. Right, I'm

1595
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 2: getting better at We've been married almost ten years now,

1596
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm getting better at it. But yeah,

1597
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 2: it is. And he's had a couple of really hard

1598
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 2: days at work that have have been hard on all

1599
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 2: of us really for months afterwards, because and you feel it.

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01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: When he comes back, you felt it, like you know,

1601
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 1: something's not yeah, yeah, oh yeah to the work stays

1602
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: at work and home states at home is like, that's

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01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: not reality.

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01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 2: And he has the task force too. You know, he

1605
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 2: went to Miami when the condo collapsed. He was there

1606
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 2: for at least a couple of weeks, if not a

1607
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 2: month or longer. And when he came home, you know,

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01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 2: you have to think, okay, like and I know, because

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01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 2: this is what's cool, Like I know what he just

1610
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 2: looked at and smelled for the past couple of weeks,

1611
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 2: So I you know, like I'm able to really visualize

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01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 2: that how horrible it was doing that, you know, whereas

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01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 2: another person might not understand because they don't know you know, absolutely.

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01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: But but the flip side of that too is that

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01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: you now, I mean you used to him being gone

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01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: for twenty four hours, Well okay, no problem, can figure

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01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: that out.

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01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 3: But he's gone for three weeks. That puts all the

1619
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 3: stress at home on you.

1620
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well whatever, that's what I feel like. It's a

1621
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 2: it's a small contribution to society, right for the work

1622
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 2: he was doing there.

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01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's not a lot.

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01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: A lot of spousess don't don't see that sometimes, and

1625
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: it's it's harder on like the marriage too, cause he's

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01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 1: what do you mean You're gonna be gone for three weeks?

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01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 3: Like so it's that's it's good that you are understanding

1628
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 3: of it.

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01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 2: What did they say, Absence makes the heart grow fonder? Exactly,

1630
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: It's true.

1631
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 3: That's also a problem when I retire. I don't know.

1632
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 3: I mean she likes having to better herself two nights

1633
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 3: a week, so I.

1634
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 2: Know, it's like we have this whole other life when

1635
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 2: Gabe's not home. You know, like we eat like cereal

1636
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 2: for dinner and just like we like watch Yeah, we'll

1637
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 2: eat ice cream in bed and watch like trashy TV

1638
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 2: shows and it's different. But yeah, when he retired, but

1639
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 2: he's never going to retire, even if he retires as

1640
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 2: a firefighter, He's getting another job right away because I'm

1641
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 2: going to make him get another job exactly. All right, Well,

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01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 2: it's so great talking to you. Thank you so much.

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01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 3: Thank you, Nicle. I really appreciate the opportunity to thank

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01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 3: you so much.

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01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to mother nos death As a reminder,

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01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 2: my training is as a pathologist assistant. I have a

1647
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 2: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

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01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,400
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1649
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:53,120
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1650
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:58,360
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1654
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,879
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01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,559
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