1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: I got this problem. I go to Costco and when 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm there, I always sneak and I buy like a 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: big giant cub of peanut and MPs and I eat them. Carob, 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: get sick. 5 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 2: You are weak, John Cipher. The KGB is going to 6 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 2: see this, and they're going to know this vulnerability. This 7 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: is Jerry O'Shea and my co conspirator, John Cipher, and 8 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: this is a mini episode of Mission Implausible. 9 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: So in nineteen seventy eight, the government passed the PISA Law, 10 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, to try to create a 11 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: mechanism by which intelligence collectors in the intelligence community could 12 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: collect on foreign intelligence targets. The thing that we're talking 13 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: about today. Section seven oh two of the Pisa Act 14 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: was enacted to address a collection gap that resulted from 15 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: the evolution of technology in the years after the Pisa 16 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 1: actress passed in nineteen seventy eight. So by the mid 17 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: two thousands, many terrorists and other foreign adversaries were using 18 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: email accounts served by US companies and telecommunications companies in 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: the United States. In other words, someone talking from Pakistan 20 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: to Afghanistan, their email may rout through the United States, 21 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: and therefore we needed to create a process by which 22 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: we could collect this. That's what seven h two is. 23 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: The program cannot target US persons regardless of location, whether 24 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: they're overseas or in the United States. 25 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: But for the audience, if you're not dealing with ISIS 26 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: terrorists in Afghanistan, and you're not dealing with Russian intelligence 27 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: officers and having shady deals with them, you don't actually 28 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: have to worry about this. So anybody out there who 29 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 2: is not dealing with Russian intelligence officers Chinese intelligence officers 30 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: are terrorists. FIS A dozen't impact on you, And if 31 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: people try to make you believe that it does, they're 32 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: conspiring to get you to believe something that isn't true. 33 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: So why that's a big deal this week is that 34 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: law runs out at the end of the month and 35 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: Congress has to either change it, reform it, or continue 36 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: the law. And people on the far right and far 37 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: left are trying to kill off fis A seven oh two. 38 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: Many people in the middle but also our national security 39 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: professionals are saying it's critical. Sixty percent of the presidential 40 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: daily brief material that is briefed from the intelligence agencies 41 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: to the president comes from seven oh two FISA collection 42 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 1: and multiple terrorists plots have been foiled based on this information. 43 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: For example, the location of the OLCAEDA leader Zawahiri, who 44 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: was eventually killed in Afghanistan last year, it was all 45 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: information that came from FISA seven or two collection. What's 46 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: happened as former President Trump is running for reelection that 47 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: FISA seven or two should be killed now because in 48 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, the information that led to the Muller report 49 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: and the Senate report and a number of people that 50 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: were part of the Trump campaign being arrested because of 51 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: contact with Russian intelligence officers. Those people have convinced themselves 52 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: that they were being quote unquote spied on by the 53 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: FBI or the intelligence community, and so therefore we have 54 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: to get rid of it. 55 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: I'm not sure exactly what an aspersion is, but let 56 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 2: me cast one out right. So if I've got something 57 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: to hide, the last thing I want is someone investigating me. 58 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: So when edver anybody says get rid of the process 59 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: of like checking up on me, I got to wonder, 60 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: like why, I just want to go through a real 61 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: quick list of people in Trump's organization who you know, 62 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: why he might be concerned. So there's his campaign chairman, 63 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: Paul Mayniford, senior campaign official, Rick Gates, national security advisor, 64 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: Mike Flynn, his son Don Trump, Jared Kushner, Trump campaign advisor, 65 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 2: George Papadopolis campaign advisor, Rick Page, Jeff Sessions, Jack Guy, 66 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: the name of G. D. Gordon, Roger Stone, Mike Caputo, 67 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 2: Eric Prince, Abby Berkowitz, Michael Cohen, and Avonka Trump. All 68 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: these people, and you can go look it up, were 69 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: in touch directly or indirectly with Russian intelligence officers. If 70 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: you're saying, hey, in my world, me and all my 71 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: friends are in touch secretly with Russian intelligence officers and 72 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: lying about it. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with 73 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: having Russian intelligence officers as your best friend and your 74 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: best friend's best friends. But I worry about that. 75 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: But what happened Trump in Russia and Russia collusion, all 76 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: those things that happened in the twenty sixteen election, That 77 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: was a tool that was used to spy on Russians, 78 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: on Russian intelligence activities in the United States. It just 79 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: turned out that Trump campaign officials were on the other 80 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: end of those calls. So the reason this is a 81 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: big deal is almost every NAW security professional is saying, 82 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: this is absolutely critical. This is where we get the 83 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: bulk of our intelligence. This is the place that we 84 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 1: stop hackers, that we stopped terrorists. And just because President 85 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: Trump misunderstands the thing and wants to attack what he 86 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: calls a deep state, and in this case he's one 87 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: hundred percent wrong, it was a different FISA law that 88 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: the FBI used to track foreign interference in the United States. 89 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,239 Speaker 1: There was a case just last week, for example, where 90 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: a teenage boy planning to attack churches in Idaho in 91 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: support of ISIS was arrested. Now, I don't know for sure, 92 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: but I wouldn't be surprised if that came through some 93 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: sort of PISA seven or two collection that the FBI 94 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: then queried to find out that there is an American 95 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: tied to a foreign terrorist organization and they were able 96 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: to stop him. His plan was, and the quote, was 97 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: to stop close by the church, equip the webs, and 98 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: storm the temple, kill as many people as possible before 99 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: they inevitably disperse and scatter, then burn the temple to 100 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: the ground, and flee the scene. And then he said 101 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: he would repeat it for all twenty one churches in 102 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: the town. 103 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 2: And he could have been talking to someone in Afghanistan 104 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: telling him how to build a bomb. And I would 105 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: want to be the one going to the relatives of 106 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 2: the people who were killed and saying I just didn't 107 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: want Fiza, because you know, I don't know what you'd say. 108 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: You know, there's always been conspiracies around intelligence services because 109 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: it's secrecy and surveillance. 110 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: I got to tell you, John, when I was on 111 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 2: the inside, we had trouble figuring out which possible like 112 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: numbers to follow of people that we were pretty sure 113 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: were involved in terrasm. You know, if you're speaking Urdu 114 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: or Farsi or Arabic, these are generally the Chechen these 115 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: are the numbers that were interested in. If you're speaking 116 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 2: in English, chances are you're not being picked up anyway. 117 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: So this specific conspiracy theory about what's happening today, though, 118 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: is a conspiracy much from the right. Is it confusion, 119 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: is it to raise money, is it for personal in reasons? 120 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: All these type of things. But in this case, it's 121 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: really about Donald Trump trying to reap for election. Yeah, 122 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: I think so, And so I think he is trying 123 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: to stir up people in his base that the evil 124 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: government is out for him, and you need to stick 125 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: with me against this evil government. But what's interesting to 126 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: me is that conspiracy that's being used by the right 127 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: now is one that was very strong on the left. 128 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: And the issue of surveillance and FIZA things in the past. 129 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was always the big brother thing was always 130 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: more about the left. So I guess the personal paranoia 131 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: has sort of chained sides. Oho, there's still plenty of 132 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: like paranoia on the left as well. 133 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a long history of the FBI surveiling 134 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: people like Martin Luther King and using illegal means to 135 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: do so, and so that's why there's ben reforms and 136 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: that's in fact why FISA was created in nineteen seventy eight, 137 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: so that there is oversight and judges and processes. In 138 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: a sense, throwing out FAIZA now is actually creating the 139 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: problem that the Republicans claim that is why they want 140 00:06:59,000 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: to throw it out. 141 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 2: And it looks like the House is going to pass 142 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: FIZA now. It still has to go to the Senate, 143 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 2: and there's still supple of hurdles it has to go through. 144 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: But I'm wondering, why is it you think, John that 145 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: when they brief Mike Johnson and some of the other 146 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: senior people what made them change their minds. 147 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: You know, on one hand, to be partisan and to 148 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: support this base, you want to create an enemy, the 149 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: deep state, this conspiracy they're working against. But on the 150 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: other hand, you do have a responsibility American people and 151 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: American securities. When you're briefed that the great proportion of 152 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: the intelligence we have that saves American lives is from 153 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: this program, you're put into a hard place. You want 154 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: to support what Trump is saying, supposedly, but at the 155 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: other end, you don't want to be stuck with Americans 156 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: dying and saying that's because you were afraid to do 157 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 1: your duty and vote in this way. 158 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: You know, Thoughts and prayers is what you'd say, but 159 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: I'm not going to actually friggin do anything about it. 160 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: Good chatting, but remember on Wednesday, there'll be a new 161 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: episode of Mission Implausible and we're going to be talking 162 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: about UFOs with comedian Michael ian Black.