1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Can't find AM six forty you're listening to the John 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio apps. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: Now, the US Coast Guard has released footage of it 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: seizing a second Venezuelan oil tanker in a tactical operation. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: This is the second Venezuelan vessel seized by the United 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 2: States in recent days, and the President has been talking 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 2: about it. 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 3: News Nation's Joe Khalil joins. 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: US Joe, what's the strategy here? I mean, people are 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 2: trying to understand what the president is after. Here are 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: we trying to blockade, stop all flow of oil to 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: put pressure on the Venezuelan government to effectively abdicate? 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 3: Where are we? 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard to get a read on long term strategy. 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 4: You know, we've heard regime change floated, and it's something 16 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 4: that when President Trump is asked about, it doesn't rule 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 4: it out. And there are certainly some of his allies O. 18 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 4: Lindsay Graham being one, who are openly advocate cating for 19 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 4: regime change in Venezuela. But short term, what the Department 20 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 4: of War saying, what President Trump is saying is, you know, 21 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 4: these ships that are transporting oil, many of them are sanctioned, 22 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 4: which means that they're not authorized to be carrying oil. 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 4: This is in a legal act, and so the US 24 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 4: Navy and the Coast Guard are going to be stopping 25 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 4: and seizing the oil and seizing these ships. You know 26 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 4: where it gets into sort of dangerous territory here is 27 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 4: the Venezuelan government has now said that they're going to 28 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 4: be equipping many of those tankers or having them be 29 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 4: escorted by their own naval assets. So what we have 30 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 4: is if you've got armed naval assets on these oil 31 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 4: tankers from Venezuela and then you've got the US Navy 32 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 4: and Coast Guard interdicting them, you know, that clearly sets 33 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 4: up the possibility for some kind of an armed conflict there. 34 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 4: And you know then you know, puts American service members 35 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 4: at risk, that risks blowing up into a you know, 36 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 4: more violent, long term situation. So you know, it's hard 37 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 4: to grasp long term. I think that's where a lot 38 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 4: of lawmakers, from my perch on Capitol Hill are questioning, too, 39 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 4: is what is the end goal here with this? 40 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 3: It's troubling. 41 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: I have to say, as a Trump supporter, I find 42 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: this troubling and I don't I think maybe we're having 43 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: a hard time seeing a long term strategy here because 44 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 2: there may not be one in the poker hand of 45 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: things you can do to force other governments to behave 46 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: where is like blockades, you know, oil block energy blockades. 47 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,559 Speaker 2: I mean, is this something that historically has been successful 48 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 2: in getting other nations to come to the bargaining table, 49 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: play ball, stop what they're doing, or just abdicate. 50 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 3: I mean, is this I don't recall this working in 51 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 3: the past. 52 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 4: No, it's a great question that you bring up. I think, 53 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 4: you know, in a separate content text, this may be 54 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 4: a little bit different because you know, you could see 55 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 4: a blockade sort of like sanctions, where a sanction is 56 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 4: meant to force a government to you know, potentially stop 57 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 4: buying oil from Venezuela. Right, we could sanction another country 58 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 4: if they purchase, you know, oil from Iran or what 59 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 4: have you. But in the context of this situation, you 60 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 4: remember that you know, us seizing effectively these oil tankers 61 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 4: also comes along with several strikes on drug boats that 62 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 4: are allegedly carrying drugs, you know, out of Venezuela. We 63 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 4: know that they're not they're not sentinel boats, but these 64 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 4: are boats that are carrying like cocaine out of Venezuela 65 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 4: and coming to Central and South America. So, you know, 66 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 4: if you put all of it together, you know, obviously 67 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 4: it's it's much more of a significant move than just 68 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 4: sanctions or just even even blockades. The blockades. What they 69 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 4: do though, is, you know, Venezuela like seventy percent of 70 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 4: its economy, I think sixty eight percent they rely on 71 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 4: the oil shipments and the revenue they get from that, 72 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 4: some of it legal, some of it not. So it 73 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 4: is hitting. It is putting some pretty intense pressure on 74 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 4: the Maduro regime if the if the goal is again, 75 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 4: you know, for them to abandon drug operations. Who knows, 76 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 4: you know, whether we're gonna have to see whether this 77 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 4: is an effect effective tactic or not, but certainly a 78 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 4: drastic one, and I think you're right to, you know, 79 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 4: point it out. 80 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: Yeah effective. 81 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: You know, people were questioning the effectiveness of the of 82 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: the drug operations, of sinking those drug boats, and. 83 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 3: I honestly, I don't have a problem with that. 84 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: I really don't have a problem with that because I 85 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 2: don't think that any harm can come from us sinking 86 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 2: a drug boat, Like will that stem the flow. I 87 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: don't know, Let's keep going until we notice, you know, 88 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 2: any changes, and if there's no changes, we'll come up 89 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: with a new strategy. But I didn't have a problem 90 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 2: with that, the seizing and the blockade of petroleum and oil. 91 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 2: I the way it's always been explained to me is 92 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: it's supposed to create such uncomfortable conditions in the country 93 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: that the people are starting to get starved, right, and 94 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: they their economies are. 95 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: Beginning to. 96 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: Disintegrate, and then they rise up and throw the lead. Right, 97 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: that's the strategy. Well, that's gonna take a long time, 98 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,559 Speaker 2: and you know, and it's not necessarily the most moral 99 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: way to go, because the people are the least I mean, 100 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: the most vulnerable, not the leadership. 101 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. And also you know, not to mention that we've 102 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 4: tried similar things in the past where we've thought, you 103 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 4: know what, we could achieve a change in regime in 104 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 4: South America by you know, making conditions harsh for people 105 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 4: or by supporting what are already smaller insurgents, you know, covertly. 106 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 4: And it hasn't always worked out well. In fact, it's 107 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 4: almost never worked out well. 108 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: It's almost never worked out right. 109 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 4: When you go back to the thirty to forty fifties, 110 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 4: sixty seventies, and you can read a lot about what 111 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 4: happened in Nicaragua and in other places. But you know, 112 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 4: we not something we have not tried before. We have 113 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 4: experience with this. Unfortunately. 114 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, the communist still controlled Cuba. Joali News Nation, Thanks 115 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: so much. Appreciate you spending time with us. Happy holidays, 116 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 2: of course you too, say the years. 117 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to be the next challenge. I'm not sure. 118 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: This is going to end anytime soon. I'm sure it 119 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: will end well for us. I mean, we can do 120 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: whatever we want. And really, when you consider that it's 121 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 2: in our hemisphere, we have hegemony there. 122 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: That's a political science term, and that. 123 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: Means effectively, we're the big boys on this side of 124 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: the world. We can do anything we want with our 125 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: two continents, and we will and we can compel them 126 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: to behave for the best interests of the United States. 127 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 3: But you either have to go all in or stay 128 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 3: the hell out. And II leen on staying the hell out. 129 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 2: These days, America is way stronger, way more unified than 130 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: it is now. And that's why I criticized this administration 131 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: for getting involved in these other nations problems. Blowing the 132 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: drug boats out of the water all good. Starting blockades 133 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: and seizing vessels. 134 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: Not as good. It's the John Covelt Show, Loup Penrose Inva. 135 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: John Covelt on KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on 136 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. 137 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 5: You're listening to John coblt on demand from KFI AM 138 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 5: six forty. 139 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 3: Loup Penrose sitting in for John today. Good to be 140 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: with you. 141 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, man, these Venezuelan oil tankers, they're sanctioned by. 142 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: The European Union. 143 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: Two because there you've been transporting oil to Iran, which 144 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: is a no no. 145 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 3: On the international stage. 146 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: So we've been the ones that were elector or volunteered 147 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: to put an end to it. 148 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: It's really just that simple. Well, what do you mean 149 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 3: a no no on the world stage? Says who? That's 150 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 3: number one? Number two? 151 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: How did I miss an election? How do we get 152 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: elected to solve this problem? 153 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 3: I get it. 154 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: We're a member of the world community and we should 155 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: be involved. Like it's like a great big hoa right, 156 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: we should be up to speed on what like the 157 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: bad actors are doing when code enforcement's called. 158 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: But it's always us. 159 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: I never see another nation take charge in any of 160 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: these matters. Great Britain was supposed to have the best 161 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: navy in the world. Why don't they go do it? 162 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 2: They know all about votes. Aren't there other nations that 163 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: can do good things for the good and safety? Now 164 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: this is in our hemisphere. We're not the only nation 165 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: in this hemisphere. Everybody talks about Canada. Oh, Canada so great. 166 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 2: Canada's got socialized medicine, free healthcare in Canada, there's so 167 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: much more polite. 168 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 3: We shouldn't be picking on the Canadians. They're really nice. 169 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: And now that. 170 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 2: Trump picked on them, they're not, you know, going to 171 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 2: Palm Springs to be snowbirds. 172 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 3: Why can't the Canadians do it? Why do we have 173 00:08:58,600 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: to do it? 174 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: Mexico has boats, all right. Drugs are a problem in Mexico. 175 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: Brazil is a big country. Why is it always the 176 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: United States? That's the part that bothers me. Every once 177 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: in a while, it would be nice if somebody else 178 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: in the world could solve another country's problems. Also, it'd 179 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: be great if for five minutes two nations could stop 180 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: fighting with each other. And the only person on planet 181 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 2: Earth that can get you to stop fighting is President Trump. 182 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 7: What's upssay? 183 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 8: I heard you say it's fun to blow up boats 184 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 8: kill people. 185 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 7: Well, imagine you're speeding down the highway. 186 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 8: How fun it would be if someone dropped a multimillion 187 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 8: dollar bomb on you for speeding. 188 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: I'm not sure it's exactly the same thing or even close. 189 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 7: Now. 190 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: I did not say it's fun to drop bombs on boats. 191 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: I said it's fun to watch the bombs being dropped 192 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: on the boats. 193 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 3: Two separate things. 194 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: Hey, lou if we're not a Christian nation, then what 195 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: religion would you consider this country and this nation to be? 196 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, attention, Vice President Jadvance. We are not a Christian nation. 197 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 3: What do you mean? 198 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 2: What religion do I consider the nation to be? We're 199 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 2: not a religious institution. We're a republic of free people. 200 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: I'm frankly jarred at the question. What are you talking about? 201 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: That's the whole premise of the United States of America. 202 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 3: We are a nation of. 203 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 2: Free people, free to worship as we see fit. We 204 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: don't have a state religion on purpose, that was the 205 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: whole design. You know, there's a fantastic documentary on this 206 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: that I want to turn your attention to if you're 207 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 2: still listening. It's called the Charlie Brown Thanksgiving and it'll 208 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: explain it all to you. Unbelievable Lou Penrose and for 209 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: John Coblt on the John Cobalt Show. So Christmas is 210 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: coming and people are racing out to get gifts. And 211 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: I was shopping over the weekend, not for Christmas gifts, 212 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: but in an appliance store, and I was looking for 213 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: an American made appliance, just to see. 214 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 3: I know that it would be challenging, but. 215 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: Everything in my house growing up was made in America. 216 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 3: And if you grew up. 217 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: As I did in the late seventies and eighties, every 218 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 2: appliance in your house, which probably was there from the 219 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: sixties and the seventies if you were growing up, was 220 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 2: manufactured in the United States, and it was such high quality. 221 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 3: And now you go to an appliance store. 222 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: And I went to an appliance showroom with my wife 223 00:11:53,000 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: because we are thinking of widening the stovetop. And you know, 224 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: it's kind of an investment because you gotta cut the 225 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 2: marble and the whole thing or whatever, the granite, whatever, 226 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: the countertop is made at it. 227 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 3: But I want more burners. 228 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: For whatever reason, the kitchen was designed poorly and just 229 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: there's not enough burners. And so I'm looking and I'm like, 230 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 2: underneath you know, each appliance to try and find where 231 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: it's made, and that they're all either assembled in Mexico 232 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: with Chinese parts or they're made in China, even the 233 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: high end ones, and they're all tinny sounding if they 234 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: are stainless steel. 235 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: The stainless steel gauge is so. 236 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: Thin that I mean it's ridiculous sounding, like almost like 237 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 2: a cowbell sound. And the parts are plastic. The knobs 238 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: themselves are plastic. One of the reasons that we are 239 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: in like endeavoring is because I have to replace the countertop. 240 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: I have a countertop. It's a high end make I 241 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: won't name it. I like the company. The other appliance 242 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: is match, so I got to go with it, and 243 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: it's supposed to be very good. 244 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 3: It rhymes with gatorade. 245 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: And they put the knobs on top, which is I 246 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: don't love the design, but it is what it is, 247 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: so you don't have to cut into the countertop. 248 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 3: And the knobs now are made of plastic. 249 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 2: So right next to these oversized burners that are supposed 250 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: to give you. 251 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 3: That great, big blue flame you need for the high heat. 252 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: And they even have a little sunk in the middle 253 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 2: roundy thing so that you can use a walk. You know, 254 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 2: imagine how much heat you have to use for a walk. 255 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: And adjacent to that burner is a plastic knob, and 256 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 2: of course the knobs started to melt, and the ones 257 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: that haven't melted, the whatever paint. 258 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 3: Or chrome faux chrome. 259 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: Covering that are on the knobs have flaked off, and 260 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: it looks like hell. And I called the company and 261 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: they tell me it was a design flaw, and they 262 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 2: mailed me out six new knobs which are made of plastic. 263 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: You guys, couldn't pony up for metal knobs and then 264 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 2: just coat the metal knobs with stainless steel or paint 265 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 2: the metal knobs stainless steel. 266 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 3: But this is. 267 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: Where you decided to save money on the knobs of 268 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: the cook top. 269 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: It's absolutely amazing. 270 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: And it got me thinking about all the things that 271 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: were in my house growing up, and everything was such 272 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: high quality. The quality of all the appliances in my 273 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: house as a kid was so much better. And I 274 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: just don't know why we put up with it, why 275 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: we had to close all the factories that manufactured what 276 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: we used to call white goods, but just effectively appliances. 277 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 3: I get it. 278 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: There's some things that can effectively be manufactured in other countries. 279 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: Socks comes to mind. 280 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 2: We don't probably need to manufacture socks here in the 281 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: United States. But ovens and refrigerators, and washers and dryers 282 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 2: and dishwashers. Why and fawcets themselves. Why can't these things 283 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: be manufactured in the United States the way they were 284 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: when I was a kid growing up, there was so 285 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: high quality. 286 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: All the kitchen appliance is in your house. 287 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: If you grew up in the years I did, you 288 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: had a Hamilton Beach blender. You know where Hamilton Beach 289 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: was manufactured, Wisconsin by Hamilton and Beach. 290 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: They were the inventors of the company. Worked pretty good. 291 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: I don't ever remember my mother get another blender my 292 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: entire life. If you grew up as I did, you 293 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: either had an electro Luxe vacuum cleaner, which is a 294 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 2: Swedish name, but it was manufactured in Connecticut, or a 295 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: hoover which was manufactured in Pennsylvania and there were monsters. 296 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: Now the vacuums are plastic crap from China and they 297 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: don't pick up anything and if they're rechargeable, forget it, 298 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: because the battery life on it will be nothing and 299 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: it won't even pick up the crumbs on the kitchen table. 300 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: So I'm a huge fan of re assuring these manufacturing 301 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: jobs in the United States. I'm having to pay more 302 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: for American made thing that works where I don't have 303 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: to buy the extended warranty because it's gonna break in 304 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 2: three years. 305 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 3: It's the John coblt Show, Lou Penrose. 306 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: If John Cobelt on KFI AM six forty live everywhere 307 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app. 308 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM sixty. 309 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: Lou Penrose sitting in for John today and tomorrow. 310 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 3: If we don't have a religion, then why do we haven't? God, 311 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: we just printed on all of our money. What's money? Hey, 312 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 3: great job, Louis. 313 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I get it, I get it. 314 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 9: I understand who the heck made us the police of 315 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 9: the world. I don't like it either, but somebody's got. 316 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 10: To do it. 317 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 2: No, that's not true. Yeah, somebody has to do it. 318 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be us. I don't care what 319 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: goes on in Venezuela. I'm not from Venezuela. I have 320 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: nobody there that I need to see, and it sounds 321 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:55,359 Speaker 2: like there's problems. 322 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 3: So I'm not going to Venezuela. 323 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: If they want to send drug boats here and we 324 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: want to blow them out of the water, I'm all. 325 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 7: For it, all for it. 326 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 3: Keep doing it, very very efficient. I don't know what 327 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 3: it does to the fishing industry. 328 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: I know that Venezuela exports a lot of crab meat, 329 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: so I don't know how that's going to affect the 330 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: you know, the sea life over time. But I don't care, 331 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: don't care. I don't eat a lot of crab. But 332 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 2: when we got to get now, we're going into regime 333 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 2: change by stealing the oil. Let somebody else do it. 334 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 2: There are other countries in the free world. 335 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 9: And that other guy's analogy about dropping a bomb on 336 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 9: a car for speeding not even close to being the 337 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 9: same thing. That guy is a moron. Blow them all 338 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 9: out of the water. The more I can watch, the 339 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 9: happier I get. 340 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 8: I'll tell you what, Come on, man, if you're smart, 341 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 8: you know both parties are screwing us. 342 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 7: Why do you think nothing's made in America anymore? 343 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 8: Because rich Republicans, rich Democrats shipped off the manufacturing overseas, 344 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 8: and guess who's the biggest power of manufacturing today China, 345 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 8: Communists China number one. 346 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 7: That USA don't make squat anymore. 347 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate the call. You're not wrong, but we're 348 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 2: trying to manufacture back in the United States, and it's 349 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 2: not true that nothing is manufactured in the United States. 350 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: When we do manufacture things, it's amazing. I mean, the 351 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: United States manufactures some pretty amazing things, usually military, but 352 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: some pretty amazing things. I've seen it. A lot of 353 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 2: these custom engineering projects are absolutely astounding. American engineering is. 354 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,479 Speaker 3: Second to none. 355 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 2: So we could use that American ingenuity to manufacture I 356 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 2: don't know, an oven, a stovetop, addition, washer, a refrigerator, 357 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 2: and the good news is we know the recipe because 358 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 2: we use to manufacture all those things. That's all I'm 359 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 2: saying is why don't we manufacture things that we use 360 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 2: every day. I get that technology changes, and you know, 361 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 2: the RCA television that you watched growing up is now 362 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 2: a flat screen visio. But for the most part, the 363 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 2: oven hasn't really changed, and the refrigerator, they've only become 364 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: more efficient. But like, what's the difference between the refrigerator 365 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: you grew up with and the second or third refrigerator 366 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 2: that I bought in my house. I've been living in 367 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 2: my house the baby was not yet born. I remember 368 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: that because my wife couldn't lift any boxes. And so 369 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 2: now the baby is twelve. So I've lived in my 370 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 2: house for twelve years. I have gone through three refrigerators. 371 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 3: You know why. They're plastic crap from China. When do 372 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 3: you ever. 373 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 2: Remember your parents getting a new refrigerator? When do you 374 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: ever remember your your grandparents getting a new refrigerator? 375 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: Never? 376 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 2: Because they were American made, high quality, commercial grade stuff 377 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 2: and if something went out, you would call a guy 378 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 2: and he would come and repair the part. 379 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 3: I don't remember if. 380 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 2: It was this Christmas or last Christmas. We do we 381 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: have a tradition where we make cookies. The whole family 382 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: comes over like pretty much like it's just a second 383 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: Christmas Eve. Everybody comes over some one of the first 384 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: weekends in December and make Christmas cookies and all the 385 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: kids decorate the cookies and all the cousins and it's 386 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 2: a thing. And the refrigerator went out like literally the 387 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 2: morning of of cookie night. And I called and they said, 388 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: you know, it probably is just a thermostat or relay switch. 389 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 2: I kind of diagnosed it over the phone, and they said, yeah, 390 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 2: based on what you're saying, like it's some like what's happening, 391 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 2: Like the bottom is cold, but the top is not cold. 392 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 3: So it could just be the fan. 393 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: It could be a couple of things, none of which 394 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 2: is going to run you more than thirty dollars in parts, 395 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: but the service call is going to be more than 396 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: two hundred dollars. And that assumes we have the part 397 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: on the truck. And you can go right now to 398 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 2: cost go and get a brand new refrigerator for six 399 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: hundred dollars and they'll deliver it. So it's like, all right, well, 400 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: all right, I guess I'm throwing away a refrigerator over 401 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 2: a twenty eight dollars part because it just makes sense 402 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: because the refrigerator is already a couple of years old, and 403 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 2: that's where we're at now. So it's not good like 404 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 2: it's bad from other earth. This stuff all goes into 405 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: the landfill. It's all junk. You talk to anybody in 406 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: the refrigeration business, commercial refrigeration business and I have they'll 407 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 2: tell you, oh yeah, lou for sure. The iron that 408 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: they use in China really isn't iron, and pressers have 409 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: to be made of iron. 410 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 3: So they deteriorate very quickly. 411 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: And you're lucky if you're gonna get three years out 412 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 2: of a refrigerator, Like you got to be kidding me. 413 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: Like my grandparents had the same refrigerator my entire life. 414 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 2: After they died, it was still in the kitchen, still working. 415 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 3: So why we went this. 416 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 2: Route of shipping all the American jobs overseas, firing all 417 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 2: the American workers, importing plastic crap from China that breaks 418 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 2: in three years, I'll never know. But as I said, 419 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 2: I was at the store and I literally could not 420 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 2: find one that was manufactured in the United States. And 421 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: this was a showroom, so it had all the brands, 422 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 2: and they all look good, and some of them better 423 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 2: than others, but as a whole, they were all a 424 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: little more tinny, a little bit thinner, a little plastic e, 425 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 2: a little the knobs rattled, just a little bit more 426 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 2: anything I remember growing up as a kid, and I 427 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 2: don't like it. So it's time to fire up the 428 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 2: factories manufacture these things in the United States. 429 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 3: Put Americans to work. 430 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: Doing it, we'll have high quality stuff, we'll keep the 431 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: junk out of our landfill, and you won't have to 432 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: be chased in the showroom by some guy trying to 433 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 2: sell you the extended warranty. Right when you go buy 434 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: an appliance, what's the first thing they want to sell 435 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 2: you the extended warranty? 436 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 3: Why? 437 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 2: Because they know it's a piece of plastic craft from 438 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 2: China and it's going to break in three years. It's 439 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: the John Covelt Show, Lou Penrose sitting in for John 440 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 2: Coblt on KFI AM six forty. 441 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 5: You're listening to John cobelts on demand from KFI AM sixty. 442 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: Lou Penrose sitting in for John Coblt today and tomorrow. 443 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 3: The Jesus Christ Show on Christmas Eve. That makes sense. 444 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 4: So. 445 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 2: Barry Manilow announced today on social media on Instagram that 446 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: he's been diagnosed with lung cancer, but boy, talk about 447 00:23:59,040 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: getting it early. 448 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 6: Mary Mannelo has shared on Instagram that he has been 449 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 6: diagnosed with lung cancer. The eighty two year old singer 450 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 6: released a statement saying that during recovery from Bronchitas, his 451 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 6: doctor ordered an MRI to make sure things were okay 452 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 6: and found a cancerous spot on his lung. 453 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 2: So small the cancerous spot that they can go in 454 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 2: and remove it and no chemo, no radiation, but still 455 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 2: a concern. It doesn't look like it's spread. He's going 456 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: to cancel some dates and get right back to work. 457 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 2: That's good news from bad news, Lolo. 458 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 10: In the seventies, everything we could buy in this country 459 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 10: is made in this country. And now there's almost nothing 460 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 10: that you can buy that's made in this country with 461 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 10: real parts from this country, including China gives us parts 462 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 10: for the hull of our submarine. 463 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absurd, and how are we better off? Like, 464 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 2: how am I better off? It's junk, it's all junk. 465 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 2: It breaks it in the landfill. You gotta buy it again. 466 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 2: This argument that, well, you see, Lou, we shift the 467 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: jobs overseas to take advantage of cheaper labor. That makes 468 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: it more affordable, and that means people with less money 469 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: can still buy things, and that's good for America. How 470 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: is that good for America? You gotta buy it twice, 471 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 2: three times. I have a story. So in nineteen seventy two, 472 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 2: two engineers from the Westinghouse Corporation got together on their 473 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 2: own time in the garage or something and designed and 474 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 2: built one of the most recognizable kitchen appliances ever invented. 475 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 2: It was high quality kitchen counter appliance, brilliantly designed, and 476 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 2: it went on to become the most successful brand in 477 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: its category. By nineteen seven, three more Mister Coffee Coffee 478 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 2: makers were sold in the United States than any other 479 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 2: product in that genre. 480 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 3: In nineteen seventy four, more Mister Coffee Coffee Makers. 481 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 2: Were given as Christmas gifts than any other kitchen appliance. 482 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: They were everywhere they were giving people would give them 483 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 2: as wedding presents. 484 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: It was an appliance. It was high quality, commercial grade, 485 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 3: and it worked. Everyone had one. 486 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 2: Everybody had one, and they were in the home, and 487 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 2: they were also at the office, and they were at 488 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 2: the galley, in the er, they were in the hospitals, 489 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 2: they were everywhere. 490 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 3: Your mother had one. 491 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 2: You remember exactly where it was on the kitchen counter. 492 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 3: You can see it right now. 493 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 2: And it worked every single day. Then around nineteen eighty one, 494 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: the company was sold to a company in China. They 495 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: closed the factory down in Ohio, shipped all the jobs 496 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 2: to China, brought it back in the country. No tariff 497 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 2: no tax still use the name mister Coffee. So when 498 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 2: you went to the store, you thought you were buying 499 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: the mister Coffee like the one, the one your mom had. 500 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 2: Complete piece of crap, right. The heating element is ridiculous. 501 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 2: It would yellow and look terrible. Sometimes the little door 502 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 2: didn't close right, and you'd step away for a second, 503 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 2: come back to the kitchen and this coffee all over 504 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 2: the counter. You've had that happen where the grounds get 505 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 2: clogged or something. The caraf is such a flimsy piece 506 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 2: of crap that if you brush it against the side 507 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: of your sink, it'll shatter and cut your hand. And 508 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,959 Speaker 2: you got to go to the store to buy another caraf, 509 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 2: And you thought you were ahead of the game because. 510 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 3: It was nine to ninety nine at Walmart. 511 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: I told the story, and I had a friend who 512 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 2: is a surgeon at Kaiser, and he said, look, you 513 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: are so right. 514 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 3: You're so right. I probably went. 515 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 2: Through nine mister coffees from freshman year through my residency. 516 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 2: And my mom still has the exact same mister Coffee 517 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 2: that I grew up with in my house in Burbank, 518 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 2: has it of course, I'm right, Like it didn't work 519 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 2: out we have a kitchen filled with junk that doesn't 520 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 2: work and a bunch of workers unemployed. 521 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 11: Come on, lou you know the problem is labor people 522 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 11: in the United States want thirty fifty bucks an hour. 523 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 11: Now LA wants to give the hotel workers thirty bucks 524 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 11: an hour during the Olympics. 525 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 3: You can get. 526 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 11: Somebody over in China to do the same thing that 527 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 11: they want to do here for thirty bucks an hour. 528 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 11: They can do it for two dollars an hour in China. 529 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 11: That's the whole reason. 530 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 3: Why. 531 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not true. That's the common reason. That's the 532 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: narrative that's out there. We can't compete with the foreign 533 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: labor force. And that's not true. That has completely been disproven. 534 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 2: First off, on its face, prima facia, it's not true. 535 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 2: If that's true, then how did your grandfather afford to 536 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 2: buy your grandmother the refrigerator, the stove of the oven, 537 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: the coffee maker. 538 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 3: Was your grandfather a billionaire? 539 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 2: Like when they were made in the United States, people 540 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 2: they afforded them and they were able to pay people. 541 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 2: So it is not true that we cannot compete with 542 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 2: the international cheap labor force. That's number one. Number two, 543 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 2: Why do we have to. I'm happy to pay somebody 544 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: a good wage. Making appliances is an honest day's work. 545 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: Manufacturing is worth it. You're ahead of the game because 546 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 2: it won't break in three years, so it's worth it 547 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: to pay a little bit more for quality stuff. And 548 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: by the way, when I say plastic craft from China, 549 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 2: please don't misunderstand, this has nothing to do. 550 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 3: With the Chinese. 551 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 2: They export plastic craft from China to US. Do you 552 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 2: know who doesn't have plastic craft from China? The Chinese 553 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 2: they make good stuff for themselves. So having to buy 554 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: it over and over again because it's junk, you're not 555 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: ahead of the game on price. 556 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 3: Number two. 557 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 2: When you close down a factory that makes kitchen appliances 558 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 2: in the United States that Americans will always need, you 559 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 2: put American factory workers out of work, and you're putting 560 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: them out of work in the middle of life, so 561 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: many in the middle of a thirty year mortgage, many 562 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 2: in the middle of their young children growing up like 563 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: these factory towns employed tens of thousands of Americans throughout 564 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: the Midwest four years, and those jobs supported towns and 565 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 2: mortgages and houses and economies, and they were good paying jobs. 566 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 2: Factory work in the United States post World War Two 567 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 2: was good money. One pay check carried the house. One 568 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 2: both could go out to work if they wanted to, 569 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 2: but one could cover. When you put these people out 570 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 2: of work, there are social costs right, unemployment, the breakup 571 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 2: of families, houses, going into default payments, going into default. 572 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 3: Mortgage is not being paid. 573 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 2: So this is not and then that depression causes all alcoholism, smoking. 574 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 3: Lung disease. Everybody's sitting at the casino. It's not good. 575 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 2: So this whole free trade experiment did not work out 576 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 2: for us. Free trade is like free love. Sounds great, 577 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 2: doesn't work and in the end all you wind up 578 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 2: with is a social disease. Lou Penrose on KFI AM 579 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 2: six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 580 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: Hey, you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. 581 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: You can always hear the show live on KFI AM 582 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: six forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday, 583 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.