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Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x M Triumph

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Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Taylor Swift is getting ready for

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Speaker 1: a performance not on stage, but in a federal courtroom.

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Speaker 1: Swift is being sued by former k y g O

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Speaker 1: d J David Mueller. Swift claimed Mueller's hand grabbed her

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Speaker 1: backside inappropriately and his radio station fired him. This TMZ

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Speaker 1: picture showing the two together will be at the center

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Speaker 1: of the trial. Look at where his hands. It's an

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Speaker 1: odd spot. My hand was never under her skirts. I

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Speaker 1: never grabbed her. Taylor Swift on the stand and emotional

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Speaker 1: and raw testimony. It seems to be getting worse as

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Speaker 1: people in the courthouse are asking why did this guy

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Speaker 1: bring a lawsuit against Taylor Swift? And when you take

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Speaker 1: a look at that photo, you can see her just

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Speaker 1: crip enging away from his hand on her bare backside.

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Speaker 1: I mean, see Grace. This is Crime Stories. But first,

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Speaker 1: a major development in the search for Chase Masner, the

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Speaker 1: Golden boy who goes missing, seemingly leaving his wife, his

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Speaker 1: two little girls, and his mom behind in a cloud

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Speaker 1: of dust. While authorities insisted he just was living off

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Speaker 1: the grid, the family never believed that, along with their

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Speaker 1: friends dubbed Team Chase, they were right and police were wrong.

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Speaker 1: We now know Chase Masner's body has been found buried

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Speaker 1: in the backyard of a so called best friend, Brad Clement.

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Speaker 1: Clement goes on the run, but in the last hours

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Speaker 1: Brad Clement apprehended. Joining me from Channel forty six, Daniel Wilkerson,

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Speaker 1: Daniel quickly. How was he arrested? He was found Nancy

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Speaker 1: in a public parking lot. He had in a U

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Speaker 1: haul I'm told in a fictitious name. When he didn't

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Speaker 1: return at you haul in time. Uh, somehow cops were

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Speaker 1: onto him. They traced at you caul, and the cops

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Speaker 1: showed up there in the public's parking lot and took

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Speaker 1: him down. WHOA. The photo of him faced down in

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Speaker 1: the rain made me feel a tiny bit better. Not

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Speaker 1: so for the family of Chase Master and his two

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Speaker 1: daughters who will grow up without a dad. Joining me

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Speaker 1: from Crime Online is Lee Egan. Lee. This was not

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Speaker 1: a fly by the City of your pants operation here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, wasn't his car found at his mother's home

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Speaker 1: with the tag change? It was when Detective Twigs went

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Speaker 1: out there. Initially he did see read leaving in that car,

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Speaker 1: so we thought maybe he would be in that car

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Speaker 1: driving away, but obviously he wasn't. They traced him too

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Speaker 1: a U haul van in the public's parking lot and

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Speaker 1: when he was walking out, I'm hearing he was barefoot

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Speaker 1: walking in the rain. They grabbed him, arrested him and

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Speaker 1: it came from tracing the U haul and possibly from

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Speaker 1: tips that came in from other people. I want to

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Speaker 1: think right now everyone sending in tips from Sirius Sex

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Speaker 1: and crime Online, your tips have been vital to this investigation.

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Speaker 1: Authorities have arrested Brad Clement barefoot in the pouring rain.

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Speaker 1: Still unclear whether he new cops were coming, whether he

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Speaker 1: was tipped off, but he was leaving the grocery store

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Speaker 1: parking lot when authorities spotted him, having been living in

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Speaker 1: a U Haul on the run, attempting to leave the jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: And now will we get answers regarding the death of

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Speaker 1: Iraqi war Vett Chase Masner. We are taking your calls

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Speaker 1: and I want to go first out to Sherry Dunne,

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Speaker 1: who has been involved in the search for Chase Masner.

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Speaker 1: Sherry weigh in, I'm of course over the moon that

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Speaker 1: they have called him. It should have been done a

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Speaker 1: long time ago. UM, I'm just more than thankful for

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Speaker 1: you guys for not stopping and helping the family getting

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Speaker 1: I'm just really relieved we've at least gotten to this milestone.

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Speaker 1: Kim Harris from Team Chase. Kim, when you learned that

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Speaker 1: Brad Clement had just been apprehended, what was your first reaction? Relief?

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Speaker 1: I was absolutely relieved, and I won't lie. I I

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Speaker 1: loved seeing that picture. But the last six days have

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Speaker 1: been gut wrenching. In the last three and a half

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Speaker 1: years have been but this last six days Stephanie needed

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Speaker 1: relief and and she admitted to getting a sense of

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Speaker 1: very quickly to Brian Hopkins from Team Chase joining us

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Speaker 1: all Team Chase calling in right now in response to

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Speaker 1: finally and arrest in this case. Brian Hopkins, what was

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Speaker 1: your first thought when you saw that photo of Brad

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Speaker 1: really good point. From the very beginning, he Brad Clemett

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Speaker 1: excuse why they couldn't come in the backyard. Police did

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Speaker 1: Team Chase. Mike, thanks for being with us. When you

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Speaker 1: Now we're just waiting for the truth to unfold. What

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Speaker 1: do you think. It's just an overwhelming feeling of of

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Speaker 1: and I just feel like we we really went all

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Speaker 1: everyone right now. You know what, you really you really

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Speaker 1: top of the Chase Master story. Daniel Wilkerson with us

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Speaker 1: from Channel Daniel. What's next? You've got to keep in

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Speaker 1: that the Department of Defense they're gonna send those dental

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Speaker 1: Of course she knows that this is Chase, and police

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Speaker 1: are pretty sure of it as well. I can also

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Speaker 1: tell you, Nancy, this wall went down in a shopping

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Speaker 1: question now really remains was it intentional or was it

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Speaker 1: court and joining me from writer online dot Com Alexis

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Speaker 1: Terres Chuck. You know, Alexis, The more I look at

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Speaker 1: That and Taylor's amazing testimony. When you say amazing testimony,

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Speaker 1: basically the superstar Taylor Swift saying this DJ groped her

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Speaker 1: Alexis Torez chuck with a big laugh. He got with

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Speaker 1: And yes, Alexis, I have prosecuted rapes, sodomy's, child molestations,

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Speaker 1: She is at a concert in Denver, Colorado. She invites

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Speaker 1: they they were laughing really loudly, really inappropriately and talking. Okay, alright, Alexis, Alexis. Now,

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Speaker 1: he grabbed her or anything about it. And I know

427
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: people think this is some people think this is much

428
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: ado about nothing, but I disagree with that. Any time

429
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: a woman is taking advantage of and I don't care

430
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: if she's my favorite restaurant over at the waffle House

431
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: or she's superstar Taylor Swift, it doesn't matter. And when

432
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: people laugh about it and make fun about it and

433
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: discount it, that all plays into the culture of it's okay.

434
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 1: And Alexis, I gotta tell you, I've dealt with so

435
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: many rape victims and sex assault victims. This really rubs

436
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: me the wrong way. It's just like a tiny, tiny

437
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: slice of assaults on women. It's very I had to

438
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: tell you, it's very upsetting to me to see that

439
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: smile on his face and then he turns around ensues

440
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: her if these allegations are true, Alexis and she went

441
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: immediately to her and they went to his boss's First

442
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: of all, they had him thrown right out of the show,

443
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: and then they went and told his boss and they said,

444
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: here is what happened. Now, she says, I did not

445
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: tell them to fire him, but I told them what

446
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: he did to me, and that was up to them,

447
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: and they clearly believed her. What could possibly be in

448
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: it for him to bring this lawsuit, well, I mean,

449
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: why would he do it? He says that he she

450
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: has destroyed his name, destroyed his I mean he has

451
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: been unemployable since it's happened. And and it's not just

452
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: a oh I crushed my car when I was drunk

453
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: all by myself and didn't hurt anybody. This is lu

454
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: This is something with like the one probably the most

455
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: famous pop singer in the world. And it was so

456
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: creepy that he would do this to Taylor Swift in

457
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: her house. Basically, you know, you've been invited for your

458
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: job to come in and meet her and say hello,

459
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: and her music gets played on your station all the time.

460
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: You have a good relationship with her, and then you

461
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: assault her. And if Taylor can't if you didn't stop

462
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift or being assaulted, and nobody can stop at

463
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: it everybody. People can just grab you on the street,

464
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: they can grab you in your office, and can grab

465
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: you in your house. This is such a violation of

466
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: her private space and it just shows that this man

467
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: had just no regard for her as a person at all.

468
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: You know. Another thing, if she had not fought back,

469
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of corporate cultures, you get

470
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: a lawsuit and it's just settled. And I understand that.

471
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: I understand it because it costs so much, so much

472
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: money for a corporate giant, you know, a big, big

473
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: operation like Taylor Swift. She's not just Taylor Swift, she's

474
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: Tellor Swift, Inc. You know. It's it's multimillion dollars at

475
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: stake all the time. It's a machine for them to

476
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: have to go to trial is very area expensive. I'm

477
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's easier, so

478
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: much easier and so much more cost effective to settle,

479
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, settle it for fifty thou instead of trying

480
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: it for half a million. Really seriously, especially when you

481
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: take into the account her time, all her lawyers, everybody

482
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: in court, that is a lot of money. She's not

483
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: doing that, she's not taking agreeing to a settlement to

484
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: make him go away. She's saying no, and she's standing

485
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: up in court. So what's going to happen next, Alexis Terrestria,

486
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: let me ask you a more question before I get

487
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: to the trial, Alexis, let me ask you this. If

488
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: she hadn't a fought back, can't you see the field

489
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: day online, all the memes, all the jokes about Taylor Swift.

490
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's going to be a cold day in

491
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: h E double l before some other dude sneaks up

492
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: behind her and grabs her are end? I mean, really

493
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: it Actually, it actually worries me that people are going

494
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: to try to start doing this with other people. Because

495
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: even if she if she wins, When she wins, I

496
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 1: feel that this is going to be a great victory

497
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: for her. But I feel like people didn't get creepy

498
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: ideas and they're like, well he almost you know, and

499
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: they are just gonna try to do it. It really

500
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: worries me for everyone's safety. And I don't understand why

501
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: people just think it's okay to touch anybody at all,

502
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: and certainly not somebody in a professional situation and in

503
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: a sexual assault situation. But she she had to fight back.

504
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: She never could have settled this at all. It would

505
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: have been admitting a guilt. And she says, I knew

506
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: a hundred percent exactly what happened. This man grabbed me

507
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to let him get away with this.

508
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: And she said she dealt with it very quietly. She

509
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: never went public with this at all. They quietly called

510
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: the radio station. He lost his job. She didn't, she said,

511
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: she didn't. This is not just about Taylor Swift. No,

512
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: this is about women everywhere every day that get assaulted,

513
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: that gets sexually harassed, that get underpaid, that get talked

514
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: down to the works. I mean, come on, Alexis, You're

515
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: in the news business, I'm in the law business. How

516
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: many times do you just suck it up and keep

517
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: going because there's too much of a D A M

518
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:32,239
Speaker 1: in bother to lead yet another crusade. I mean, you know,

519
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: and it it just wears you down. And I don't

520
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: know all your stories. Although we're friends, we talk about

521
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: good things. Stories are children. But I don't know of

522
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: a single woman in the business world that has not

523
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: encountered this. And I'll just start with my mother. She

524
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: worked her way up from a bank teller to a

525
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: CFO of a company, and you can only imagine the

526
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: crap she put up with and people are That is

527
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: why Taylor Swift standing up for herself is basically saying

528
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 1: a message to all people, men and women, really stand

529
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: up for yourself. You know, she obviously has a lot

530
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: of money and can fight this. Not everybody is in

531
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: her position. But if you see the way that she

532
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: has been questioned in this, it is probably the most

533
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: respectful sexual assault case I've ever covered. And I know

534
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: you've you've prosecuted so many, but for the ones that

535
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: I've covered, there are always questions about, well, why was

536
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: she wearing a thong underwear? Why wasn't she wearing boy

537
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: shorts underneath? There a different kind of underwear, Why was

538
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: she wearing a dress? Why couldn't she working? Nothing like

539
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: that has been brought up this time. It is been

540
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: about please do not go to the underwear. Please just listen,

541
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: because you know, Alexis, you haven't been on every single

542
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: show we've done on Taylor Swift. Most guys Colleen wanting

543
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: to know what was she wearing underwear exactly? And then

544
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: when I and then they want me to explain the

545
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: whole song thing. Okay, I was doing laundry the other day.

546
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: My son came and he said, Mom, you've got to

547
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: get some new underwear. I said, John David, when I

548
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: get you through graduate schools lone, then I'll buy some

549
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: new underwear. Okay, when you had a nice, fancy job

550
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: doing something awesome, then you can buy me a new

551
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: pair of underwear. And now go do your reading assignment.

552
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: Since please don't start with the underwear. Okay, I never

553
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: imagine those words coming out of my mouth. Okay, Alexis

554
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: Terres Chuck. We're standing by at the courthouse waiting for

555
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: the latest in Taylor Swift. Thanks friend joining me right

556
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: now is a guest. I have really been looking forward

557
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: to talking to its author, Riley Sager, which is a pseudonym,

558
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: it's not Seger's real name, And he is the author

559
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: of the best thriller I've read in a long time.

560
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: It's called Final Girls. And you know how hard it

561
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: is for me to make time to read a book.

562
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: When I'm reading a book, I feel so guilty because

563
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be writing my own book. But I've

564
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: just got to say I loved it. I'm talking about

565
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: Final Girls. And it's the first thriller from Riley Sager,

566
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: which I said is a pseudonym. Riley native of Pennsylvania, writer, editor,

567
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: graphic designer who now lives in Princeton, New Jersey. Now

568
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: Riley Sager not giving away the author's identity. Yet loves

569
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: to read, loves movies, loves to bake. Okay, Riley Sager,

570
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: identify yourself there. Yes, wait, wait, wait, so you're not

571
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: a girl. No, I'm not a girl. And a lot

572
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: of people, um get confused about that. Unfortunately, Hey, you

573
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: know what, I don't care if you're a little green

574
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: man from Mars. This book is awesome. I love the book. Okay,

575
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: but first let me understand this. You went under a

576
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: pseudonym because there were many reasons. Um. One of them was,

577
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean you because you're a published author. You know

578
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: how publishing can be weird sometimes publishing and it can

579
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: be weird, and you know, there's so many books out there,

580
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: and it's really hard to like sort of break out

581
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: from the pack. And in my previous books, I was

582
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: not breaking out of the pack, if you know what

583
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: I mean. I was like at the back of the pack.

584
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: And once you get in that position, you sort of

585
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: need to just switch things up. And so my agent

586
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: and I were like, you know, let's hit that reset

587
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: button on your career and you know, come up with

588
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: a pen name. And so that's sort of how it

589
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: was born. Okay, So Riley Sager is not a woman.

590
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: But I've got to tell you something I would never

591
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: know it from reading Final Girls, the name of his

592
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: first thriller, Riley. The plot line behind this it's all

593
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: about college unit. I'm gonna get back about how you

594
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: picked the name Riley Sager, but I've got to get

595
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: into this book. Quincy. Quincy Carpenter goes on a vacation

596
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 1: with five of her friends and comes back alone. She's

597
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: the only survivor of a massacre, and I mean a

598
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: masacre like hum chainsaw massacre, um movie horror style massacre.

599
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: And in one instant she becomes a member of a

600
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 1: club that nobody wants to be part of a group

601
00:35:54,600 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: of similar survivors known in the media as the Final Girls.

602
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: One of those Final Girls is Lisa, and this reminded

603
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: me of the Ted Bundy case down in Florida, who

604
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: lost nine sorority sisters to a college dropouts knife. Okay,

605
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: I can't help but attach real cases to the cases

606
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: you've made up. Sam who goes up against someone called

607
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: the sack Man during her shift at the night Light

608
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: in I Love that name, The Ninth Light in And

609
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: now Quincy, who runs bleeding through the woods to get

610
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: away from Pine Cottage and the man she refers to

611
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: now only as him with a capital H. So she's

612
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: one of the final girls left over from murders. And

613
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: then suddenly those girls start dying. One turns up dead.

614
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: I believe it's in a bathtub. So where did you

615
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: get the idea for final girls? Well, the term final

616
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: girl is actually film study speak for the girl that's

617
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: always standing at the end of a horror movie. And like,

618
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: the best example is always like Jamie Lee Curtis and Halloween.

619
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: And I was actually watching Halloween on Halloween and like

620
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: started thinking about, like the the concept of the final girl,

621
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: Like she is a survivor and it's always a happy

622
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: ending for her, and you know, the movie ends on

623
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: an upbeat note normally, and I started thinking about how

624
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: what it must be like for that last woman standing

625
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: and how it's really not a happy ending at all. Yes,

626
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: she survives, but all her friends are dead and she

627
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: just has years and years of trauma and struggling ahead

628
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: of her. And so that was really something that interested

629
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: me to see, like, what is the life of a

630
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: final girl, like ten fifteen years that this massacre happens. Wow,

631
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: When you were just talking, everything that ran through my head,

632
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 1: from um, living through my fiance's murderer, to that feeling

633
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: when I walked away from my dad's casket, to all

634
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: tons of crime victims that I have represented over the

635
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: years that yes, you when the case knock on wood,

636
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: but then you walk out of the courthouse and it's

637
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: just you and the world and this memory of this

638
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: traumatic experience that you live with every single day. And

639
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, and I'll just keep referring to

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Speaker 1: your as Riley's acre, but that that feeling of it

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Speaker 1: just being you when you said the final girl, Wow,

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Speaker 1: you know what I've never I know that feeling, and

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Speaker 1: I know that feeling crime victims when the case is

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00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: over and everybody leaves the courthouse and they're just standing

645
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: there and looking at you like somehow I'm going to

646
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: fix it. Yeah, like it's over, but it's it's not over.

647
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: It's never over. No, how how do you know that.

648
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean, have you been a victim of crime? How

649
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: do you know that feeling? Because it's the strangest feeling,

650
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: and I felt it after every jury trial. I not

651
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: a victim of crime, but it was born out of

652
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: a really really bad year when just like everything just

653
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: sort of like went off the rails. You know, there

654
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: were deaths in the family, there was you know, like

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Speaker 1: a job loss, there was you know, a it just

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00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: was like this year of accumulating just bad stuff. By

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Speaker 1: you know, the end of it, I'm like, I'm just

658
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: so tired of this, like why is everything going wrong?

659
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: And I really, even though our journeys are very different,

660
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, Quincy survived and unspeakable thing, and these girls

661
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: all did, but in a way I could relate to that.

662
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: I could relate to their anger and their frustration and

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00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: even the sense of you know, the character of Quincy

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00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: is very much in denial. She puts on this veneer

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00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: of you know, sweetness, and she's a baking blogger and

666
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: she has a beautiful apartment and she tells everyone I'm

667
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: fine when she's so not fine. And I was doing

668
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: the same thing in my own life, and so that

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00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: really helped me understand and relate to her character. It

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00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: made it a lot easier to write her. Wow, Okay,

671
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: I'm just soaking in every single thing that you're saying. Now.

672
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: I have an issue, not a problem, but an issue.

673
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: I haven't quite identified it yet because I haven't slowed

674
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: down long enough to think about it. The boyfriend, her boyfriend,

675
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: who was a public defender. She has a problem with

676
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: him representing people who clearly are guilty. He says they

677
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 1: have a right to be represented and they're both right.

678
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: Where did you come up with his character? I thought

679
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: that he would be a very good counterpoint for her,

680
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: um because she, you know, went through a very traumatic

681
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: thing at the hands of a specific person, and you know,

682
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: I think she's drawn to the safety of his profession

683
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: and he's a you know, a very solid presence. But

684
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: at the same time, there is this aspect of he's

685
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: defending people who have done horrible things, and that sort

686
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: of really does cause a rift in their relationship. You know.

687
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: I never let myself get close to very many defense

688
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: attorneys in all the years, because I may like you know,

689
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: some I have, but I may like them, you know,

690
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: on a personal basis, but it's really that's a tough

691
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: pill for me to swallow that they know they're getting

692
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: guilty people out of jail, and anecdotally and statistically, when

693
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: people get out of jail, they kind of do the

694
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: same thing. Again. It's just like releasing someone out that

695
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: you know is going to hurt an innocent person. Again,

696
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: that really weighed heavily on me. Let me let me

697
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: ask you a question. Your star, Quincy Carpenter. Is she

698
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: patterned after any particular person? No, not, not really. I

699
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to you know, when when you're writing, like

700
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: the character is so of form as you as you

701
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: go along, and it's a very weird process and it

702
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: sounds weird when you know I'm talking about it, But

703
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: she really kind of just developed and evolved during the

704
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: writing process, so she wasn't based on any one person,

705
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: especially any one survivor. You know, just hearing your voice,

706
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: it just, um, I don't know what I was expecting.

707
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: I guess you're just so real. And guys with me

708
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: right now? Is author Riley Sager pseudonym read about that

709
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: in the Wall Street Journal and he is talking about

710
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: this incredible new book, Final Girls, his very first thriller

711
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: by Riley Sager and I've got to tell you, as

712
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: a fellow writer, I certainly don't put myself in the

713
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: same league with you and other grades, but I'm really

714
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: knocked out Final Girls and you're thinking behind it when

715
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: you describe Jamie Lee Curtis and that last person standing

716
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: and now what she's going through. I've got to tell you.

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00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: It's an incredible book. And all I can say is,

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00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 1: I'm really you know, you don't want to think about

719
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Speaker 1: this right now, but I'm really looking forward to your

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00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: next book. Oh, thank you. It's it's a lot of pressure.

721
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Speaker 1: I have to have to admit I was. I was

722
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: working on it when all of the the buzz started

723
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Speaker 1: to build, and you know, we were getting some really

724
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Speaker 1: wonderful things said by really incredible authors, and I just

725
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: was like at my laptop, going, oh my gosh, I'm

726
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: never going to top this. M I. But you know,

727
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: you gotta keep working and soldier on and write the

728
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: best book you possibly can. So I hope it's working.

729
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I'm in line at the bookstore

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Speaker 1: right now. Okay, I can't wait. Thank you so much

731
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: for being with us, everybody the author of Final Girls,

732
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: and it is just it's incredible. I actually broke down

733
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Speaker 1: and I went and hid from the twins and read

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Speaker 1: your book and I just I love it. You're awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for spending a little bit of time with us,

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Speaker 1: and God willing will meet again. Thank you so much,

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00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: my friend Mike. Bye bye, Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off,

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,