WEBVTT - Walk The Moon 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:04.280 Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Inside the 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.520 Studio on iHeart Radio. My name is Jordan Runt t Dog, 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.920 but enough about me, my guest today are responsible for 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:13.600 one of the most truly joyous pop singles of the 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:16.600 last decade, the exuberant Shut Up and Dance with Me. 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:19.119 We need a little of that energy these days, which 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.200 is good because the band are back with a new 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.360 album called Heights. No release date's been set, but they've 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.200 given fans a taste with their new single, the euphoric 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.560 self acceptance anthem can You Handle My Love? And as 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.240 if That's not enough. They've also dropped two more tracks 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.600 off of Heights, Giants and the applete titled I'm Good. 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:38.960 Fans will be able to hear these songs live and 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.040 in the flesh this fall when the band hit the 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:43.720 road as part of their Dream Playing Tour. I'm so 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.760 happy to welcome Nick Elion Seawn of Walk the Moon. 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:50.839 Thank you great everybody. There was so much to talk 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:52.239 to you guys about it. I know you have a 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:54.440 new album on the way, Heights, but I wanted to 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:56.480 start by talking with you about your new single can 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.640 You Handle My Love? And it's it's an ode to 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.200 imperfections in a sense. I think you've you've called it 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:03.440 a self love anthem. Can you tell me a little 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.480 bit about where that song came from. I love that. Yeah, 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.360 I really do feel that way about it. It's like, 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:13.039 through this, through this lens of meeting someone else, I'm 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:17.920 meeting myself. You know, I'm I'm realizing all the all 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:19.960 the bits and pieces of myself that I want somebody 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:21.679 else to like. Actually that those are the places where 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.240 I get to love myself. And it's one of those 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.679 one of those songs that was like coming together in 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.800 the moment through this vibration. This music just feels like 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:31.520 so much fun. I just wanted to feel like, I 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.920 just wanted to remind people of what they love about life. 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:37.560 You know. It's just like something that's that's really I 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.240 don't know. It feels like a summer day or something beautiful. 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.680 It's funny you mentioned it getting to know yourself better 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.320 in a funny way through through your partner, seeing your 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.480 own similarities in them, and and having that reflect back 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.880 on you. I mean, I guess there's pros and cons. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.720 It makes me think of that old Seinfeld joke where 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:54.840 he's dating the woman who's just like him, and then 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:56.360 later on he's like, wait a minute, I don't want 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.480 to date me. I hate me a classic? But what 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.680 once you? Once you push through that, it's a wonderful thing. 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:04.960 I mean the lyrics are are so I mean to 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:07.360 my ears, very personal. I mean, I'm a freak and 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.560 it's literal, got a hole in my heart, cann fill 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:11.680 it with chemicals just the way. I am not trying 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.040 to be difficult. I know you said on social media, 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.079 Nick that that you write in a in a diary. 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.280 Do you ever use your journal entries? Is jumping off 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:22.600 points for for lyrics? Absolutely all the time? Yes, it's 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.760 kind of it's kind of back and forth. I'll find 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:27.120 myself often like writing a song I'm not even sure 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:28.760 what's about. Then I'll go back and read something and 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:32.400 I'll realize, you know, that that had been stirring in 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:34.320 my mind, or or it'll be kind of in this 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:38.920 really weird reverse chronological thing where I'll write a song 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.480 and not be entirely like it'll feel authentic and but 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:44.919 but I won't be certain, like where who it's about 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:46.720 in my life or whatever. And then maybe a year 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.240 two years later, I'm like Oh no, it's like it 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.760 was about this that's happening now. How do I do that? 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:53.840 I think I think life is just in Life happens 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.520 to us in cycles, and so themes will repeat, you know, 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.959 as you as you grow and evolve and you meet 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:04.080 life in you know new ways and you make different choices. 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:07.120 These you know, these these cycles come back and and 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.600 so maybe that's maybe that's why I'm living in my 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.600 own time portal. I'm not really sure. Yeah, I believe 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:14.320 that there are people who come into our lives for 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.960 a reason, to bring us to a new place and 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:18.680 kind of get us to that next I don't want 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.840 to call it step, but whatever that next places. And 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:22.640 it must be funny for for all of you listening 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.720 to these songs back, almost like dream decoding. You realize 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:27.839 later on, like, oh my god, that that's what all 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:29.880 that meant. That's what you know. They always say that 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.840 every character in your dream is really you. I love that. 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.160 I think that's really flaws seems too harsh, thrown imperfections. 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:38.440 Do you have any tips, all of you for for 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.480 for self acceptance? What do you want people to get 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:44.080 from this song? Something I sort of started to say before, 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.760 but that I keep coming to, Well, this is this 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:50.360 is a fun time and a strange time for personally, 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.280 for I think for us where we are talking about 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.240 the music for the very first time, and so there 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.120 are some ways that we've you know, chatted about, like 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:00.480 these are some of the themes of the album. But 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.360 a lot of times this this stuff is we're coming 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.200 into realization of it in some of these first few interviews. 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.680 You know. That's interesting. Yeah, And so something that I 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:13.760 keep coming to is this feeling of like I really 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.280 I want listeners to be reminded of what they love 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.400 most about their life. I want to be own them 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.719 to be reminded of the things that they like the 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.400 most about themselves. And I think that that's for me 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:26.760 as in like a self love journey and the self 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.920 acceptance journey. Like that's that's part of it. It's like 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:34.719 being reminded, whether it's through another person or reflection or 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.040 whatever it is, of the things that I actually appreciate 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.359 about myself, Like, oh, I've been spending the last thirty 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.560 years building this person, and you know, I actually kind 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.440 of like what we've we've created here. I like where 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:51.359 we're going and coming into an acceptance of like the 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.280 places where I'm not perfect, that doesn't that doesn't mean bad. 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:56.960 Those are just growth, growth spots, you know, growth areas, 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:00.120 And I don't know, I feel like that's however you're 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.560 looking at it, you know, I get I really like 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.440 to get into the nerdy philosophy. I don't know vibe 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.840 about it, but like it is something we're all doing right, 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:11.200 We're all just I feel I trust that people are 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.480 all trying to be better people all the time. You know, 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.040 they're really trying to do their best with whatever they have. 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.400 I think when you when you have, when you live 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.640 a life that's as documented as ours has been for 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.640 the last ten years there, you know, there are a 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.359 lot of photos and and it's funny for me to 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.680 look back on the photos and think about how like 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.680 I felt badly, you know, during this time of my life. 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.560 Maybe I felt badly about my body, but I felt 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:37.320 great about the pants that I was wearing. And now 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.760 ten years on, I feel great about my body and 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.880 think my pants are stupid, you know, And so like, 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.719 I've been there so hard. That's a few things have 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.919 resonated with me more than what you just said. The 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:53.960 police can and so trying to I think with with 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.720 that in mind, like trying to keep that in mind 0:05:56.760 --> 0:06:00.800 and having an eye on on your future. Often what 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:04.080 you know your life may look like in retrospect helps 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:08.360 you can can help you feel better about the process, 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.200 you know, and and knowing that this this moment, this 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.320 moment isn't forever and um, and it's going to get 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.120 better and some things are gonna get better and some 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.640 things are gonna get worse. But it's always evolving, you know. 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.720 You know, God, life should be amusing, right and it's 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:25.440 okay if it's if it's funny, you know, I'm in retrospect. Wow, 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:27.280 that's really I never thought about that. Like you said, 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.839 about having a life that is so well documented and 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.240 the evidence is right there either on the Internet or 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:34.160 on your albums. Does that sort of give you in 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.320 a funny way, almost like a bit of a leg 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.359 up on the rest of us for for what you 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.880 just said, just sort of appreciating being in the moment 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.119 and kind of knowing that you kind of can choose 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.360 your path forward. It isn't really all this preordained thing. 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.560 I mean, every day is a chance to to be different, 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.480 to love yourself, to move in the direction you want 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:53.640 to go. You know, the thing that I think about 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.280 a lot now is like, what's it gonna look like 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.680 when my son's friends my son is too, when my 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.200 son his friends find these interviews that I'm doing now 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.360 and make fun of him because of some dumb ship 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.440 that I said in two thousand and twelve, Do you 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.880 know what I mean? Uh, That's what I'm thinking about now. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.000 You know, these are the way these like certain things 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:15.920 will come back and haunt you just no matter who 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:17.560 you are, some things will come back and haunt you, 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:19.560 and some things will come back and lift you up, 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.200 you know. And and every day we get to choose 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.080 what had the way we see ourselves and the way 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.000 we see other people. Are we looking at the things 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.520 that lifted those people up? Are we looking at those 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.840 things that that we're you know, humiliating? Yeah? And so 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:33.800 it's a it's a choice, you know, it's a choice. 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.840 And oftentimes, because of emotions, it doesn't feel like a choice. 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.240 And now I'm spinning it out into the theory theoretical 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.960 stuff that Nick was talking about a minute ago. You know, oftentimes, 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.120 because emotions doesn't feel like a choice, it feels like 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.119 you have to feel a certain way, but you don't. 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.320 You can use choices. It's just that. And that is 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.160 very much like our new record, which we chose to make, 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.040 and the day and the choice that we decided to 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.960 be all on tour highly encouraged you to make the 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:07.120 choice to buy the to come see the tour. Yeah, 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.560 and all the it's good to be doing interviews again. Well, 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:12.120 I mean, I was gonna say, and some of the 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.560 few interviews and statements that I've read you talking about 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:16.040 this new album, he said, it's a lot more of 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.640 a sort of an up album and more optimistic than 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.920 two thousand seventeens. What if nothing? What do you think 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.200 was responsible for that shift? I mean, was it reaction 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:25.880 to everything going on in the world or was it 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:30.240 something within yourself? That's a great question. In I think 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.199 I think any artists, I imagine can't help but like 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.280 be informed, Like the art can't help but be informed 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.800 by the world going on, you know, around them. Although 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.600 even though was one of the darker years that we've 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.480 all experienced, this one has has come out with a 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:47.719 little more sunshine. Maybe that's why, maybe you know that, 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:52.240 maybe that's partly why I think in my my father 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:56.280 was passing away, and there was I don't know, there 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.679 were some wild current events that continued to just I 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:01.360 don't know them that made the world seem a little 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.920 scarier in some ways, and that was just I don't know. 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:05.800 We wanted to We wanted to make something a little 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.280 more dark Horse for for Walk the Moon, even though 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.319 one ft the single and one foot's like the most 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.280 hopeful you can do it anthem we've written. Maybe so 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.760 even even dark for Us is not super dark, but 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:23.680 it's not tom Ways right the piano. I think maybe 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:27.720 more than any of the like philosophical stuff, there's something 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.400 that in us the want to return to our roots um, 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:34.360 and there's there's something in my opinion, there's something of 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.880 like the first record and that time that's like come 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.000 back to life in this on this album is like 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.839 a little bit of this unbridled like hope and also 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:47.880 wildness and fun. I really feel like that came through 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.120 on Giants. I think that's a great song about you know, 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.720 sort of a David and Goliath story taking on these 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.040 these big fources. I really liked that. That was of 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.160 the I think three songs that are out now, that 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.240 was I think my favorite, just because I I thought 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:01.760 it was a great message. Tell me a little more 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.720 about that track, Giants, thank you so much. Yeah, as 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:06.720 you're talking about that, I'm like, actually, some of these 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.600 some of these tunes came from some of the darkest moments, 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.640 and it's like anything, it's like transmuting those things into 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.439 into making that choice, like doing something positive with it. Yeah, Giants. 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.600 Giants for me lyrically came from a place of like 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.679 being in a really tumultuous relationship and it felt like 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.079 every single day we were like dealing with something, processing 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.680 something together. Some you know, something would like turn the 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:31.520 whole felt like it would turn the whole relationship on 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.560 its head. And yet I was like, so you know, 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:36.400 it was it kind of ended. It was a it 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.960 was a story relationship. But there were times where we 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.000 we're kind of like looking at each other like we 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:44.360 can make it through anything. We're gonna We're gonna lovingly 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.800 make our way through any obstacle. And it felt like 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.040 it felt like knocking down these giant monsters every day, 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.000 Like every every day we come up with our sword 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.240 and shield and we're gonna, you know, like clockwork, they 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.400 show up that morning, by that by that night, we've 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.400 slaid them. You get a couple hours asleep and wake 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.360 up and do it again. If I can offer an 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.240 alternate perspective on it. I remember when that song was 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.319 was being developed. We were in l A recording, We 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.920 were recording can You Handle My Love? And you were 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:13.280 giving me a ride to the studio on that particular week, 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.800 and we'd be driving to the studio and Nick would 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:21.080 be like sharing these really intense experiences that he was 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.120 going through when he went home every night, you know, 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.480 when he went home from the studio, and then it 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:28.200 would be like, you know, it's it's l A, so 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.719 it's forty minutes anywhere. So it's like, you know, it's 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.959 so it's for it's forty minutes of like, oh my god, 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.720 that happened last night. And then we go and then 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.160 we go into the studio and we would have to 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:44.240 like like strap on our armor to make this up music, 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.640 you know, to like put that back or at least 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.560 Nick props to Nick put that away for the ten 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.040 hours that we're in there and record and record stuff 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:53.920 like can You Handle My Love? You know, and so 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.839 like even that was a was a demonstration of of 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:09.600 being able to persevere in and overcome. How's the last 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.280 year year and a half at this point? Wow, been 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.840 a productive time for you because I feel like half 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.719 the people I know work has been a great thing 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.880 to throw themselves into. Is great to have something else 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.800 to focus on rather than you know, external chaos, be 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.280 it personal or just geo political with you know, coronavirus 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.520 and everything. Or is it hard to kind of get 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:30.640 that motivated? Did you feel kind of way down by 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:32.599 it all? Or did it depend on the day. We 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:36.280 kind of like didn't stop because we were like literally 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:40.360 reporting I'm good in the studio and that was like right, 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.440 and everything shut down. So yeah, it's like we've we've 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.840 been busy doing the rest of the album. Is it 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.240 just like there's there is just a little bit of 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.840 extra work that goes into it obviously, you know, we 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.400 all just rushed a great our studios so we could 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.240 actually keep working. So like Giants is the first one 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:02.000 we did. So it was sort of us, like you said, 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.880 like David David Beliath, Yeah, we were kind of just 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.120 just like little little guys just like Okay, well we 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:12.880 gotta make this big thing now. Yeah, we got've been 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.880 busy working on Giants being the first one was a 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:19.600 really affirming experience because we were recording separately from the 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:23.160 for the first time. It's not like an electronic drone tune, 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.199 you know what I mean, it's like a big it's 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:30.200 like a big rock. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And so and 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:34.600 so we're recording. We're recording this separately in our homes, 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:38.320 which are thousands of miles apart, and and really like 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.920 not dipping our toes but diving in, you know. And 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.240 and it worked, you know, and we knew and we 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.040 knew that the recording was working and that we were 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:50.080 excited about it, and that really gave us strength to 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.280 carry on and finish the record. Um and the way 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.760 we did and what was that? Was there a learning 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.160 curve to that? Like how how did it go when 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.559 you first started doing the remote? Like that must have 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.520 been a huge adjustment. Yeah, well, you know at the time, 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.800 now in the middle of you got it down every 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:11.840 well everyone everyone's like, oh, you can do anything over zoom, 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:13.679 But at the time we didn't know if that was 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:17.760 really possible. Fortunately, combination of a few like pretty simple 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:23.000 applications and a really talented engineer and us like as 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:27.080 as Sean said, upgrading our personal studios. It really there 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.440 was there was a bit of a curve, but you know, 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.960 in a in a way it was pretty smooth. I 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.560 think we were all like really pleasantly surprised with how 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:39.320 like it didn't diminish the creative experience. You know, there 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:41.880 were like there were hurdles, and it's a very it's 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.720 a totally different thing like walking into my living room 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:46.880 and then closing the computer and then I'm out and 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.200 you know, I'm not in the studio anymore. Um, just 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:51.960 a it's a it's a different thing. The energy is 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.200 a little different. Um, you know, you're not having necessarily 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.920 that same dream life experience of like there's your one 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.080 of your favorite producers and in there with your band 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:07.040 and like that you've got the Yeah, yeah, so the 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.480 recording console count costs as much as your house. You 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:12.720 like that kind of thing. You know, it's just you 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.400 and your laptop. Yeah exactly. So you know it wasn't 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:20.160 the same, but the but the creative process was really 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:24.240 preserved in this magical way and I think enhanced in 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.040 some ways. Right. I think I think the record has 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.920 like a richer texture from doing it at home because 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.800 we would we would do the tracks that we expected 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:34.560 to do. You know, we would get together on our 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:38.040 zoom and I do the record the guitar parts UM, 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:39.400 and we'd be like, all right, great, we have them, 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:41.680 send them over and we'll we'll get them edited. And 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:43.680 we'd hang up and I'd be like, oh, I forgot 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:45.920 I have this one pedal that maybe what if I 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.240 just ran it through that and sell it, Like, let's 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:50.400 just see what happens. And so we would all do 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:55.600 work kind of offline and find like deeper creative places 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:57.880 that we might not have found when you know, we're 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.600 on the clock at a at a fancy studio, or 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.240 that we might not have given ourselves permission to try, 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:05.440 you know, if we weren't in the safe space of 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.120 our of our homes. So I actually think the record, 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:12.160 the record has a Richard texture and more detail because 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:17.160 of UM recording it at our at our relative spaces. Wow, 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.880 that's really interesting. What was the process like of actually 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:21.800 building up the tracks? I mean, did they start with 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:23.880 you Sean and lay down the rhythm track and then 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.240 based on top of that and kind of get the 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.000 you know, the rhythm as the foundation or how did 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.840 that work? I mean that's that's generally the order we 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.440 started recording. Um, yeah, we'll start with drums and then 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.320 base and then are and yeah, so that that part 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.960 really didn't change much, you know, it was just the 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.560 only thing it changed, is like we we just got 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.680 to listen to our our own system. That it's it's 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.680 kind of nice sometimes just being able to control the 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.920 on your own volume something you don't so yeah, that, 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.400 like Eli was saying, you know, just the comfort aspect 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:03.520 once we got plastic hurdles and learning just using all 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:07.280 this this new gear, using proper techniques that we might 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:11.160 not use when just something I mean, it's so cool 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:12.840 the thing that you're right. I mean, not only are 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.479 you just emotionally more free being in your own space, 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.639 but you're right, you're not on a studio time or 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:19.920 you know, every hour is god knows how much money 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:21.840 and you really gotta like nail it. That's got to 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.280 be so liberating in a in a funny way. I mean. 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.080 And you also work with some really incredible collaborators on 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.600 this record, to Kay Flay, Tommy English. But what did 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.159 those folks bring to the table for these sessions. It 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.520 was so awesome working with Kay play and Tommy on 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:36.439 on Keny Hand of My Love. Um, you can actually 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.240 hear kay Play's voice on Keny Hand of My Love. 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.480 There's like um in the middle of the verse, got 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.119 a hole in my heart and cheme it go what 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.440 you got? Like that little what you Got? That's that's 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.359 kay Like literally the lead vocal on the song is 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.600 is like the first one, the first run through, and 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.280 that's the first take. That's the first take. I mean 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.080 that was like that was the first like it was. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.560 It was like while the song was being written like that, 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:00.679 you know, but kay Play's lit early in the in 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:02.800 the back of the room going what you Got, and 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.720 like we're like, well, let's keep that perfect. I can't. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:07.680 I can't say that was the one take all the 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:09.560 way through. That's that's not that's not true. But it 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.520 was like that was the first iteration. Like the energy 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:16.280 of that that first night, UM is there. You know. 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.240 I didn't go back and re redo any of that 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.639 because it was it wasn't We didn't need to. However, 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.840 one of my favorite collaborators, and this is a producer, 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.480 Paul Meaney. He's the you know, formerly the lead singer 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:31.800 of Mute Math. I remember the year that I started 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:36.239 Walk the Moon in college, I was obsessed with with 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.600 Mute Math. I was like really into Mute Math. Had 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.679 gone to see them with my buddy at bow Guarts 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:45.959 in Cincinnati, UM, where we're coming back through this fall 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:50.000 playing playing two nights at bill Guards and like front row, 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:55.720 just going nuts, and and then ship ten years later, 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:59.080 he's like producing our half the album, and that's that's 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.399 so cool, you know. It's it's really interesting working with 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:05.240 different producers. And on this record we have Mike Crossey, 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:09.400 who's like very much this how you how I might 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:13.640 imagine a producer like this, this guru wise figure with 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.199 a you know, an accent of the of the British 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.320 Isles and um. And Paul Meny, on the other hand, 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.199 is a band guy. You know, he's like, it's like 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:23.440