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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven with

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Speaker 1: me an all star panel to break it down. First

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Speaker 1: at NC Domestic Law dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoanalyst

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Speaker 1: to the Stars, joining us I guess from Rodeo Drive

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. She's also star of a brand

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Speaker 1: new Netflix series, He's Bleeding Empire. Greg Smith, longtime friend

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Speaker 1: of rescuing animals. The Evergreen attorney found a Colorado's animal

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Speaker 1: law center. But fast forward a couple of years, I'm

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Speaker 1: the one that ends up getting charged and Emmy is

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00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: now in need of being rescued herself. I've always fought

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Speaker 1: for the enderdog, and now I'm the underdog. How did

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Speaker 1: this turn into her fighting for the underdog? Guys? The

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Speaker 1: Evergreen resident and lawyer Jennifer Amy, also known as Jennifer Edwards,

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Speaker 1: arrested charged with solicitation a first degree murder, two counts

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Speaker 1: of retaliating against a witness or victim, and three counts

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Speaker 1: of stalking. According to an affidavit that has just been

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Speaker 1: filed in the Jefferson County by the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office,

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Speaker 1: to you, Tyler Hunt, who was she stalking allegedly, So

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Speaker 1: this goes to the husband and the old pair. They've

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Speaker 1: told investigators that they've been living in constant fear due

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Speaker 1: to the domestic violence incidents that have been going on,

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Speaker 1: and they've said they've at times that they leave their

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Speaker 1: home and go into hiding and said they frequently see

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Speaker 1: vehicles passing with people taking photos. That's all in the affidavit,

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Speaker 1: So it apparently has been going on for a while.

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00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: There's also in the background of this, the marriage trial

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Speaker 1: that's sort of going on, and she's claiming that all

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Speaker 1: of this is an attempt to wield a sword against

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Speaker 1: her in that marriage battle. So it's a bit of

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Speaker 1: a backdrop too. Well, there may be a backdrop, but

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Speaker 1: what I know is what I've heard on tape. Take

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Speaker 1: a listener our Frank Keegan Harsha at Fox thirty one.

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Speaker 1: Since January of twenty twenty, Emmy has been charged with

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Speaker 1: sixteen felonies in five different cases. The crimes range from

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00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: domestic violence and stalking to child abuse and retaliating against witnesses,

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Speaker 1: but no charge is more serious than conspiracy to commit murder.

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Speaker 1: I was set up, and I have been repeatedly set up,

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Speaker 1: and all I can say is I want the truth

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Speaker 1: to come out. Well, as Oscar Wilde famously said, be

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Speaker 1: careful what you ask, my dear for you will surely

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Speaker 1: get it. You want the truth to come out, the

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Speaker 1: truth and close tape recordings of her allegedly asking for

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Speaker 1: someone to murder her husband. Take a listen again to

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Speaker 1: Keegan Harsha Fox thirty one. Emmy agreed to sit down

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Speaker 1: with us inside the Jay to tell her side of

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Speaker 1: the story. He talks about this murder for higher I mean,

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Speaker 1: what can you say about it? This whole thing is crazy.

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00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: This whole thing is crazy. I don't want to hurt anyone.

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Speaker 1: Things happen, but not the way, not anything that's in

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Speaker 1: the report. Did you want to kill? Did you want

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Speaker 1: harm to come? I don't want anybody hurt or injured,

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Speaker 1: of course, not what an investigator side differently arresting Jennifer

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Speaker 1: Emmy on January twenty fifth. She's now being held on

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Speaker 1: a three million dollars cash bonds. I wouldn't be able

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Speaker 1: to wait to play that in front of a jury,

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Speaker 1: knowing full well that the judge will instruct the jury

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Speaker 1: that one may immediately regret the deed. But that does

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Speaker 1: not negate intent to commit harm at the time of

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Speaker 1: the incident. When she first bargained with someone to commit

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Speaker 1: a double murder hiring a hit person, the deed was done.

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Speaker 1: It's over with. She can cry all she wants to

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Speaker 1: blame steroids and an autoimmune deficiency. That does not negate

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Speaker 1: what she said allegedly to the hired help. Of course,

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Speaker 1: this would not be the first time that a woman

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Speaker 1: is hired a hit on her husband. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to is the name Dahlia Dippolito ring a bell? Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to? Our friends At ABC twenty twenty, Terry

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Speaker 1: Parker investigated. Reporter for WPPF twenty five News covered the story. So,

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Speaker 1: this guy Mohammed walks into the Boying Beach police station

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Speaker 1: and he says, I know a woman who's trying to

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Speaker 1: hire a hitman to kill her husband. She asked ifind

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Speaker 1: someone who can kill her husband for her. The man,

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Speaker 1: Mohammed Shahati, was recorded as he talked to detectives about

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Speaker 1: his one time lover, Dahlia Dippolito. He tells bullies he's

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Speaker 1: speaking out to save the man's life. Yes, because serious

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Speaker 1: on eating this gun. It's white a story if true,

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Speaker 1: because while he can describe Dahlia seven dark looking girl girl,

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Speaker 1: actually he can't even tell cops her last name or

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Speaker 1: her address. By the time, we didn't know what to believe.

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Speaker 1: We were kind of, you know, when sure what we had.

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Speaker 1: They had the reservations. They had to say, let's see

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Speaker 1: some proof. To get proof, the cops make Muhammad a

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Speaker 1: confidential informant. He arranges to meet Dahlia at this gas station.

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Speaker 1: Cops are staked out as their mystery woman arrives. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to report that the staying occurred before the

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Speaker 1: hit went down. But the staying included pretending the hit

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Speaker 1: went down and then informing the grieving bride. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to police Sergeant Ramsey breaking the knees to Dahlia

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Speaker 1: di polto her husband is I'm sorry to Ramsey. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to call you. Thank you for comment. I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry to call you. Listen, we had to a report

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Speaker 1: of the disturbance at your house and there were shots

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Speaker 1: fired as your husband, Michael. Okay, I'm sorry to tell

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Speaker 1: you man, he's been killed. You've been killed. Try to

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Speaker 1: calm up right now. We need to we need to

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Speaker 1: get I can't look. We have to do our job.

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Speaker 1: You want to find a stiller, okay. We need you

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Speaker 1: to calm down. I need you to go with these dives. Okay.

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Speaker 1: If you have enemies, is there anyone who want to

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Speaker 1: hurt them? Okay, who want to hurt him? Witness you

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Speaker 1: said they saw a blackmail running from you. I can't

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Speaker 1: like to stain them them, Madam. I cannot do this

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00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: right now. I need you. I need you to take

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Speaker 1: your station. I can't go with these detections. If you

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00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: want to help your husband, okay, If you want to

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00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: help your husband, you need to go to the station

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00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: with these younges and tell us everything you know about

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Speaker 1: who he knows, who's connected to the boy. We were

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00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: in taking care of dogs around will control for right now,

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00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: everything's under control. It hurts to hear that, But keep

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00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: in mind it's all fake. That's all I discussed with

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00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: ABC's Amy Robot. Listen, we know the cops are acting.

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Speaker 1: What about Dahlia. It's all of that tremors and shaking

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Speaker 1: of her body. There wasn't any real tears coming on

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Speaker 1: grind that they're screening. They're bending over a narrow street.

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00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: Wherever you are tonight, don't worry, you're safe. They hustled

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Speaker 1: Dahlia off to this interrogation room for questioning. Another recorded moment,

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Speaker 1: are you you don't know? Anybody will you would want

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Speaker 1: to kill her? It's almost like something out of Law

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Speaker 1: and Order. They got down to serious business in the

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00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: end to Polito convicted. Of course, while she was out

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00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: on her house arrest, she mused to get pregnant and

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Speaker 1: have baby. Don't know how that happened. She's not the

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00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: only one. Take a Listen to ABC seven New Chicaca

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Speaker 1: reporter John Garcia. We're talking about Tina Jones and a

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Speaker 1: dark web murder for hire plot. Jones was having an

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00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: affair with the intended victim's husband, who she worked with.

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00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: She used the relative anonymity of the dark web to

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Speaker 1: hire a company called Sicilian Hitman International to kill his

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00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: wife all from her quiet, suburban displays apartment. But a

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00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: network news organization investigating the dark web stumbled down to

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Speaker 1: the plot and reported it to Woodridge Police. Without their

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00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: bringing this evidence to law enforcement's attention, who knows how

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00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: this case would have ended up. She admitted that she

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Speaker 1: had access to Hitman website. Investigators found evidence of bitcoin

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Speaker 1: payments and communication between Jones and the Hitman website on

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Speaker 1: her laptop Sicilian Hitman dot com. Really you think they

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00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: fbr train that site? Minute by minute? These women were

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00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: talking about real money. But in the case we're talking

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Speaker 1: about right now of animal rights activists and lawyer Jennifer

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00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: Emmy out of Evergreen, Colorado, she was talking about one

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00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars Tyler Hunt crimalline dot com. After discussing

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00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: the hit could cost up to one hundred grand, Emmy

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00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: allegedly said quote the money would not be a problem,

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00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: and the informant said he believed she was serious. Investigators

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00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: also alleged Emmy searched online for how to get rid

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Speaker 1: of the other woman for good, so we don't have

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Speaker 1: to worry about the money. I guess because she was

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Speaker 1: willing to pay a hundred grand for the hits. Yeah,

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00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: it's correct. She also looked up how to cover her

567
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: tracks online and how to abate law enforcement. So she

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00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: definitely I was thinking about after the fact as well.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, she definitely had a plan of mine. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to ignore computer searches like that, Jo Scott Morgan. Yeah, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: it is difficult to ignore a computer search like that,

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00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: you know. I mean we're also tuned in nowadays, in

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Speaker 1: particular with things like Google searches, and you know what

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Speaker 1: you put in because anybody could be looking and listen

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Speaker 1: the idea of you know, when you mentioned the Sicilian

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Speaker 1: hit men, I remember this case and I thought, even

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00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: back then, who in their right mind would actually seek

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00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: out a group of people like this that would be

579
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: offering these kind of services because it's going to be

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Speaker 1: surveiled and there are key words that can go into this.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you once you develop information in

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Speaker 1: an investigation, say for instance, in the case of this

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00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: woman that's trying to have the pair killed and of

584
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: course are soon to be ex husband, if you can

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00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: get that solid information where she's stating something and then

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00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: you follow that up with kind of a retroactive investigation,

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00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: go back and look through all of those logs and

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00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: all those things that are kept in her searches is

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00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: damning evidence. Nancy. As of right now, where a defense

590
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Speaker 1: attorney might like his client to have said I didn't

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00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: do it, she has said that it's all because of

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Speaker 1: the steroids. Now they're all locked into those statements. Remember

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Speaker 1: those statements were made to the press, to the media.

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00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: The constitution can protect you sometimes against what you say

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00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: to cops, by not what you blab to the press.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice un false. Nancy Grace crime story

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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,