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Speaker 1: sure do love taking the black car of the little

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00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 1: plane more than the yellow car of the big one.

427
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 1: I went, oh. I was like, that's awesome. And then

428
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,719
Speaker 1: I tell him, you've got big ideas these things? You know? Now,

429
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,159
Speaker 1: how to explain how we get these things? How did

430
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: they come? Now? The other thing is with the affluents.

431
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 1: And as you know, it's much harder to say no

432
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: and to follow through on no you cannot, and it

433
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: is to say yes. And when you're an affluent position,

434
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: it's easy to say yes, Oh that toy broke, Oh,

435
00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,159
Speaker 1: let's get another one, instead of going, let's get the

436
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 1: toolbox out and let's and see if we can maintain that.

437
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: Because I know it was only a twenty, and I've

438
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: got twenty. It's not a matter if I have the

439
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 1: twenty or nine. You don't spend it because you got it,

440
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 1: We have it and it broke. Now let's go fix it.

441
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: Instead of said, oh, can you get another one? Or

442
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: putting a patch on a damn soccer ball, I'm gonna

443
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: sad of No, we're not just gonna go get another

444
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 1: soccer ball. And do you do that? That's great? And

445
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 1: are you strict because I don't think strict has anything.

446
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,719
Speaker 1: I know people who have no money who spoil their

447
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: kids because it's the path at least resistance. I do

448
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: not negotiate with terrorists. If I say we're not going

449
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: to do something. If you do something, I always follow

450
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: through because then you'll have no leverage with your kids.

451
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: They'll not believe you. It's they'll call your bluff. Well

452
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: we we, yes, we have rules and expectations and we

453
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: do follow through the discipline for for those and and

454
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: as I was saying the no, the following through and

455
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: the consequences for kids doing something that we know, if

456
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 1: we let that slide, they're not gonna be well, they're

457
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: not gonna be equipped to go through life. You gotta

458
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: understand if you do that when you're out of the house,

459
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: the world's gonna come back and and it hits you

460
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: square in the face. You canna end up, you know,

461
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 1: hurt and jail whatever. No, so there are consequences. It's

462
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: harder to follow through on them time wise, because you've

463
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: been there. You think it's either night, good night, they're

464
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: all down to sleep, and all of a sudden something

465
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 1: that comes up. You're like, I gotta deal with this now,

466
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: don't I dude, damn it, But you gotta follow through

467
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 1: on it. Um or Yeah, they will call your bluff. Um.

468
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it's it's it's also I like to say,

469
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: it's like, how how high is the limb on the

470
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: tree that our kids? This is a metaphor, how high

471
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: is the limb on the tree that our kids climb

472
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 1: out on? How How high do we let them go? Yeah?

473
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,239
Speaker 1: Keep climbing, right, We had no supervision. We ran out

474
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: the back door. Yeah yeah. But you look below, you go, well,

475
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 1: that's that's about a tin footfall. It's on grass. He's

476
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 1: gonna have bruises and scrapes. That's worth it. He not

477
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: afraid of hight you. But then where do you go?

478
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: Whoa that fall? We're going to the emergency room or

479
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: worse that's smart. Check this out down here, because you

480
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: don't want to make them because kids aren't afraid lights

481
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: until they fall. But how when do you when do

482
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: you let them learn on their own? Because what are

483
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: they going to really remember? We can teach them as

484
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: much we want, as much as we want, but those

485
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: experiences that get up that great plan they had not

486
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: work out. I love that, and you have a six

487
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a tricky expression, but I talked

488
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: too many successful people who are in relationships with successful people,

489
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: so I call it successful relationships to double entendre. And

490
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: obviously nobody's relationship is perfect that I've spoken to. But

491
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: people have different rules. Like I've spoken of one person

492
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: who said to me, um, I don't fix her. I

493
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: fixed myself, or I let my partner on, you know,

494
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: a loose leash. They have to be who they are

495
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,479
Speaker 1: allowing to be who they are. And another great thing

496
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: was we don't worry about the optics of what it's

497
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: supposed to be like. So how do you describe or

498
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 1: definition or tools for a successful relationship with another successful,

499
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: strong personality. It's a different disparity than you grew up with.

500
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: You grew up with your father put the food on

501
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: the table, and you're talking about a different dynamic than

502
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: an equal in that way. Yeah, well, I mean I would.

503
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: I would jump on the train of the last two,

504
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: the three you brought up. Um. Yeah, we allow each

505
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: other a loosen leash that we're not over on each

506
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: other's over each other's shoulder and everything. But then we

507
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: try to practice let's come together at the end of

508
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: the day and just kind of say, hey, so we're

509
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: so we're up to date because I can get going.

510
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: I can go head down and get going, and all

511
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 1: of a sudden look up and I come to Kamilla

512
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, so, here's what I got. And she's like, whoa,

513
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm giving it the notice version because

514
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: I've been working on it and it's going through my head.

515
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: It makes clear sense to me because I've been working

516
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: on for a month and now I'm just unloaded in

517
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: her and she's like, whoa, I didn't even know that

518
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: was an area you were heading. To slow it down. Um,

519
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: And then we try not to. We don't compete. We're

520
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: not playing the well you get to do that, so

521
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: I get to do this. There's certain things that you know,

522
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: I mean look she makes. She makes more sacrifices for

523
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: me than in my work life than than she asked

524
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: me to make for her. Um, me and me and

525
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: our me and our family. I mean, she said, very

526
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: early on, when we decided we were gonna have children,

527
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 1: she put her hands on the night we decided, Okay,

528
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: let's pull the goat. She put her hands on my

529
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: shoulders and said, one rule, if we do this, I

530
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: go what she goes, you go, we go there. Every

531
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: time I go to work coming, I've been together fifteen years,

532
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: Mary for coming on nine the longest we've been a

533
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: part of. Nine days. We kids, everybody, we pulled them

534
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: up out of school. If she drops everything, Popeye is

535
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: going to work in Mauritius or rakovec or New York City,

536
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: we all go. That's why I'm negotiable. So when I'm

537
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: dealing with the studios, like, that's not negotiable. I needed

538
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: the house. My family is coming. We're bringing a tutor.

539
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: This is the package you're gonna get if you're getting me.

540
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: And so we're a traveling band like that. Um, And

541
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: that's been I mean, in ways I can't even say

542
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: how important that's been for us as well. And you didn't.

543
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: It's not great you decided it. It's a mandate and

544
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: it's not a want, it's a need. So there's difference

545
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: between wants and needs. It's a need. And that goes

546
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: to what you said about we don't live in the

547
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: same word. We don't trying to say, well, what does

548
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: the world think about how you do this? No, we

549
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: gotta make our own bubble Camilla. This is our bubble.

550
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: We gotta do but how we do it? And you know,

551
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: people can keep handing these books. You know when you

552
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: have first have a kid, here's what you should read.

553
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: I always think a bit like a little forward. I

554
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: was like, let me ask you for some persistence first,

555
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: people to give you advice, like, no, we gotta do

556
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: it by our own and bubble. We know what makes

557
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: us happen. We know what keeps us tight as a family.

558
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: It may not be our others do it, and we

559
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: got to keep that bubble tight um because when we

560
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: get up and we get away from it, we look

561
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: back and we go we were slipping on our fundamental

562
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: we left left or we thought someone had a bright

563
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: new idea over there. Oh, look how they do it.

564
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: And now we're doing the math. You know, Oh that's

565
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: the grass wasn't greener. It actually didn't work out what

566
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: we thought was really successful. Actually that math did not

567
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: that up for them. Yeah. And I always talk about

568
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: unsolicited advice, not loving to give it and not loving

569
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: to get it, Like it's unsolicited. I'm not. No, there's

570
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: no perfect parents, there's no perfect child. So if you

571
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: don't want advice, you don't have to take it. No

572
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: one's an expert, your father. Is it defining character in

573
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: your life? It is so prevalent? Uh, you took I

574
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: mean obviously the roads less traveled is any road you take.

575
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: But you took the road less traveled in your house,

576
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: the road that he didn't really paid for you. And

577
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: it seems like it's defined you. And you've been very

578
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: authentic in addition to intentional. So can you like describe

579
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: what that brings up for you, what that means to you?

580
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: Can I was I always expect to go to law school.

581
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: I was gonna be the lawyer. That was it. I

582
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: mean from from twelve years old on and I went

583
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: to University of Texas heading toward law school, and all

584
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: of a sudden was having traveled, getting sleeping at night

585
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: with the idea of I can graduate. Now I gotta

586
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: go another three years to law school. I won't be

587
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: doing having an imprint on the world until I'm in

588
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: my thirties, and I don't want to spend my whole

589
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: twenties studying. So I was writing a lot and sharing

590
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: stories and decide I wanted to go be a storyteller.

591
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: I want to go to film school. Well, this is

592
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: gonna be a big ask from my dad. It was

593
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: paying my way, and I was really nervous about asking.

594
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: Might call him one night, made sure it was seven

595
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: thirty at night and it would be home from work,

596
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: having to be with my mom in a good mood,

597
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: amiable to the amicable to the idea, and I said Dad,

598
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: I said, uh, he goes. What's upbody? I said, I

599
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: don't want to go to film school anymore. I don't

600
00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: want to law school anymore. I want to go to

601
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: film school. Because he's sure that's what you want to do.

602
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: I said, yes, sir, five second posity as well. Don't

603
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: half ascid with that. He gave me approval, he gave

604
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: me privilege, he gave me responsibility, he gave me accountability,

605
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: He gave me a kick in the backside. He gave

606
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: me for all of it, but the way he said

607
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: don't have asset, he gave it. Now here's what I

608
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: realized just in the last five years, because that decision

609
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: was when I was twenty and I think this is

610
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:33,719
Speaker 1: what every parent actually once. So we raise our children

611
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: in a structured because if you do this, you're gonna

612
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: follow these rules, stick with this plan, you're gonna be

613
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: able to go succeed in life. And if they do that,

614
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: we're happy. But what it makes us really happy, just

615
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: like in every great entrepreneur in the world, when the

616
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: child goes, uh, I'm going my own way and I'm

617
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: not asking permission. When I asked my dad that night

618
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: and said I called him to say I don't want

619
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: to go to film school. I don't want to low school,

620
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: want to go film school. I really wouldn't ask me.

621
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: And he heard my voice that I was not bluffing

622
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: and I really wasn't asking his permission. And so in

623
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: the twenty technic call, which ended with him saying don't

624
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: have asset, I think he inside felt like, yes, I

625
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: bothered him right, he didn't. He came to me I

626
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: could help by his voice. Wow, he knew I wasn't bluffing,

627
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: And I think that day is when he goes I

628
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: was a good father to him. I raised me have

629
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: this the confidence to go, I'm going my own way.

630
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm breaking out amazing. That sounds like a major pivotal

631
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: life changing point. And he did give you terms, don't

632
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: have asset, I'll pay. That could be your next book,

633
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: don't have asset. It could be like a giving the

634
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: actual advice to business. Uh. You know people often think that,

635
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: well many actors uh and celebrities. I want to have

636
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: a brand, be a brand, attached to a brand, slap

637
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: their names on things. And I notice you do not

638
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: slap your name on things. You have had a long

639
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: standing relationship with Lincoln, you've aligned yourself. What's the alcohol brand?

640
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: Wild Turkey. They're both very on brand. They're both very solid,

641
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: they're very smooth, they're very quality. Like it makes sense

642
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: and who how do you know this? Because branding, which

643
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: is something that I am good at, and most people

644
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: do not adhere to the brand. They don't protect the realm.

645
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: And the realm isn't necessarily the forty movies you've done,

646
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: that's the vehicles for the whole realm, which is the

647
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: brand of you. I I that is very clear to me,

648
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: and I want to understand that because that's being a

649
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: business person. That's why I wanted to talk to you.

650
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: That's a business in itself. You are a business. What

651
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: was that now used earlier? Rather have six than twelve buckets? Buckets?

652
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: Call them camp fires or valhallas. I mean, you don't

653
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: want too many. You don't want camp fires or it's

654
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: like what do you You're dabbling, You're dangling the toe

655
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: and everything. I'm not sure what you're really for. So

656
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: you can. You don't want to over leverage yourself. If

657
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: you're in a position to anchor yourself with another product

658
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: in a brand end that hopefully, in success you become

659
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: synonymous with, then you don't. You don't want to over

660
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: leverage yourself because you get people get mixed messages. Now

661
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: you lose some equity. Yeah, So I mean there are

662
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: those are two American made brands. They're two sort of

663
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: American inventions. Um, the automobile and bourbon. I like both

664
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: of them. I and I drink it. I say to myself, UM,

665
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 1: and I have to say no. Obviously, thankfully a lot

666
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: more than I say yes, um, what what am I

667
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: going to be involved in with that? I'm thinking about

668
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: it on Saturday night, I'm thinking about it on Tuesday,

669
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it in church. It's something that's in

670
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: my consciousness. Oh, you know, would be a good idea

671
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: for the ad that we're gonna do with Wild Turkey,

672
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: or you know what, it's gonna be a good idea

673
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: with the Lincoln that that It's not something that I

674
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: have to show up on my desk. You Okay, Now

675
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: I gotta put on this hat. My mind creatively it

676
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: goes to ways to sell those brands. And that's how

677
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: you're a good partner because it's authentic you're building. And

678
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: then the next partnership you do will build upon those

679
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: two things. And then you know, you gotta obviously you

680
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: have to watch if you have when I say over

681
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: leveraging yourself, you have to watch if you get like,

682
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: for instance, say my deal with Wild Turkeys. Okay, I've

683
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: got a contract with him. I can't do anything. I

684
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: can't be a part of pushing any other brown liquor,

685
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: but maybe say I could do white liquor and say

686
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: if hockey company comes to me and they want to

687
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: do the thing. I have to think, wait a minute,

688
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: even though I may be able to if I was,

689
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: that's going to delude, That might delude my I'm long

690
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: branch wild Turkey guy, and I like that. Yeah, I

691
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: could get some more cash on my cow here today again,

692
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: maybe for the next few years. But it's a short

693
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: term thought. It's a short yet, McConaughey, because you lost

694
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: equity that when you're you're a say it one time

695
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: guy with Wild, you're a say it one time guy

696
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: are with Lincoln, you don't have to repeat yourself. And

697
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: if you start spreading then or get categories that are closed,

698
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: you have to start listening a little bit. But wait,

699
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: did you hear what I said? You know the way?

700
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: I gotta say it again because you're not. You're only

701
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 1: people are only listening half as half as closely because

702
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: they see you. Oh wait, you're doing both those. I

703
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: thought you were just one say what you mean and

704
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: mean what you say? Did you think you had the

705
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: thing growing up the gut inside like I might have

706
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: something different, special, like I should go for this, or

707
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: did you just put one foot in front of the

708
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: other with just a passion? I mean, did you have

709
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: that drive that fire. I'll tell you this, I'm competitive,

710
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: But starting at about fifteen, I started to go, wait

711
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: a minute, you may like ping pong and be a

712
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: good player, but you're not gonna be a professional ping

713
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: pong player. So if you get when I would get beat,

714
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: it didn't bother me being like things in my life

715
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: that I would lose that, I was like, this is

716
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: not my what I'm gonna do. I gotta figar out

717
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do and then I want to be

718
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: Then I want to be the champion and fighting. So

719
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: I started to allow the things that I was competitive

720
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: to go. No, that's I don't mind losing it that

721
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: because I'm not that's not my dedication in life. Um

722
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: I got I out. I would I could out hustle

723
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: people I got. I mean, I was the guy that

724
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: got sometimes picked for coming in second five times in

725
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: a row over the person who won the first race

726
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: by ten yards because I kept going back and re

727
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: entering the race trying to win, and I got picked on.

728
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: I went, I went Charlie hustle over here. So persistence

729
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: was was was one thing. The other thing was we

730
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: were taught early you're knock on a door and you

731
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: get a know today that's not final. You can go

732
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: back tomorrow because maybe the person on the other side

733
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: of that door was in a bad mood yesterday and

734
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: maybe they got a better night's sleep tonight and had

735
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: a good morning with their wife or spouse this morning

736
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: and now a little so timing um in context of

737
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: timing and when to come back to someone with the

738
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: same product where they gonna be. It's like when I

739
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: called my dad that night on the phone, Mall, I

740
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: picked out seven thirty pm on a Tuesday night, because

741
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: I said, he's home from work, he's eating dinner, he's

742
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: having to be with mom on the couch, he's relaxing.

743
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: That's the time to tell him I want to go

744
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: to film school, not at nine am when he's stressing

745
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: going to work to copel on the phone. So picking

746
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: out when you when you when you want to go

747
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: to your target is something that I was getting turned

748
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: onto early on. I would grew up in a family

749
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: of salesman right, got it? And it sounds like and

750
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: it's amazing, does it? The passion forget your family? We're

751
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: talking about business mostly today. What makes you who you are?

752
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: The way your mind works, the passion. What's the greatest

753
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: passion in a in a hobby, in the cars, in

754
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: in a passion project? Which movie didn't make you money

755
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: but you loved it? Like where have you been the

756
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: most alive? Or where are you the most alive? And

757
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: this whole sort of business acting success journey when my

758
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: work as an artist translates, for instance, with with with

759
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: with the book that I'm running around with for twenty

760
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: eight weeks. All right, when someone tells me, I saw

761
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm seeing my stories and your stories, I'm going, oh,

762
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: I have a little reciprocity going here. Did I tap

763
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: a nerve? Did I tell something very personal that tapped

764
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: the nerve of humanity that people are seeing? Oh, I'm

765
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: seeing myself in you. I'm going, oh, here we go.

766
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: So as an artist, that's my one is to communicate

767
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: my product. Now I do movies and and I and

768
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: and and I got more successful it personally selfishly my

769
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: acting career. When I said f the bucks, I'm going

770
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: for the experience. When I put my head down and

771
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: some of them didn't make any money, my movie started

772
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: making more money when I said F the box, I

773
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: got that's the big picture. That's the big picture. That's

774
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: the thing. When people are negotiating deals, you have to

775
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: know don't try to take every nickel off the floor

776
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: because you could make a decision. I was going back

777
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: to a TV show and I didn't care what I got, hey,

778
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: but I wanted to be able to be allowed to

779
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: do Shark Tank. Like sometimes you'll say, Okay, give gives

780
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: that don't aren't obvious. The give isn't always the money.

781
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: The give is is just to give some being creative

782
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: with a contract, you don't have to be a lawyer.

783
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: You just gotta think about what you're willing to give

784
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: and what you want. That's what you're talking about, and

785
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: that's passion. You're you you're very passionate about this book,

786
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: and it's from a true place. Certainly, I didn't go

787
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: to Harvard, but I assume you make a lot more

788
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: money on your your movies than you do on this book.

789
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: But you want to connect your your your a certain

790
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: age and you're having an experience and you want to

791
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: love what you're doing. I mean, that's the best part

792
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: about It's passionate. Yeah. Well, look, I love making movies

793
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: and I love acting, and I've I've some of my

794
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 1: favorite experiences have been movies that didn't do well. Gold

795
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: was an extraordinary experience for me because that was me

796
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: being able to live with my idea of my father

797
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: in that character for three months. Movie didn't do any

798
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: good box office, but I loved the experience, loved it perfect.

799
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: Um So when your father passed away, Uh, some people

800
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: say you have to lose a parent of a I'm

801
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: a man. I didn't. I haven't heard about a woman.

802
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: But did you feel like you became a man? Sure

803
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: as hell? Kick started me? I mean a major kickstart.

804
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: And that was the green light of his passing away.

805
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: There were you know, values that he was raising me

806
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: on that I was practicing, but I was making b

807
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: minuses and c pluses in them because I knew I

808
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: had him. He had my back. At the if the

809
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: s h I t really hit the fan, my dad

810
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: was there. He was above law and government, you know,

811
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: if I really crutch, he was. He was a safety

812
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: net for me, subconsciously even knowing that. And then he

813
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: physically passes away and leaves his life all a sudden,

814
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: I go, he's not there to catch you if you

815
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: really need him. WHOA? So I started going, you better

816
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: quit being a boy and just practicing these little things.

817
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: You better look the world in the eye. And I

818
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: mean I stood taller, My heart went higher, and chin

819
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: went up. I remember this, all these things, mortal things

820
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: in life that I had reverence for, fame, money, people,

821
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: they lowered down the eye level. I looked him in

822
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: the at all these things that I've been patronizing and

823
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: sluffing off is not worthy of me. And whatever rose

824
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: up at eye level, and I remember going, damn at

825
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: the world's flat. My peripheral vision got wider, I could

826
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: see further, I could see clearer, and I was I

827
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: became a lot more courageous to go, let's quit act

828
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: like one, let's start being one. And that whether that

829
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: was a man, or whether that would be more me

830
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: or whatever it was, I was like, it's time for

831
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: you to walk stand up straight. Matthew walked through this

832
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: world and it was the green light. It was a

833
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: shift I do with my daughter at night. Rose and

834
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: thorn of the day, the high and the low. So

835
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: of you this career. What was what's been the rose

836
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: and what's been the thorn? Wow? I mean, Jesus been

837
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: a lot more roses for me. Um, you know, walking

838
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: on the right bar and getting cast in my first

839
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: film days confused that was in a bar. I don't

840
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: think that I didn't know that. I walked in the

841
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: right bar at the right time. And I was in

842
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: film school and I only went to this bar because

843
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: I knew the bartender. He was in film school with

844
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: me and give me free drinks. He comes in my drink.

845
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: It was at the top of the Hyatt in Austin, Texas.

846
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: The guy in the bars in town producing the film

847
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: went down and introduced me to him. Four hours later,

848
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: me and that guy, Don Phillips get kicked out of

849
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: this bar. On the way home, He's ride with me

850
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: is I'm taking a taxi back to my house to

851
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: drop me off. He says, we ever done any acting?

852
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: I said, well, man, I was in a middle Light

853
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: commercial and a Trisian You'rewood video. I didn't say anything,

854
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: and he goes, you might be right for this part.

855
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: Come to this address tomorrow morning. I go down three lines.

856
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: I go back three lines from into three weeks work.

857
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: I go back to school for a year after that

858
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: great summer where I found what would become more than

859
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: a hobby for me, where I found what would turn

860
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: out to be a career move out to Hollywood. First

861
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 1: two auditions I went on, I got the part. Wow

862
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: what were they? What were the angels in the outfield? Wow? Wow?

863
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: Then a time to kill as all of a sudden,

864
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: Now I become famous, big studio movie. I'm the lead

865
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: the Grisham novel. It works over the weekend. Now that

866
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: introduces its first thorns of fame where the world becomes

867
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: a mirror. And now I'm not meeting strangers anymore, and

868
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: I have no anonymity. But I'm gonna deal with that.

869
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: And as you read the book, I just put on

870
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: backpacks and got the hell out of Dodge to go.

871
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: Hear myself think. I went to places like Peru and

872
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: Africa on my own. And then the work that I

873
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: did I had um did warm films, and then had

874
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: a great run of romantic comedies. Now here comes a

875
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: big thorn romantic comedies. I started getting so successful in

876
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: them that if I want to do a drama, the

877
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: studios are like, no way, no, McConaughey, he's cute, shirtless boy.

878
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm com I'm like, I like the wrong coms, but

879
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: it's there. The success of these is disallowing me from

880
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: me even being considered to do those Basically the insers, yes,

881
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: stay in your zone. So I couldn't do what I

882
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: wanted to do. I said, I'm gonna stop doing what

883
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: I was doing. I pulled the plug, moved to Texas,

884
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: called my age and everybody. I said, no more rom Coms.

885
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: Nothing I do in anymore. No, but that's scary stuff.

886
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: That sounds cute now because we have the playbook of

887
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: what happened. But that's the big picture. That's that's the

888
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: big picture. And into limbo a right and nobody. It's

889
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: being in the rom Com actor from twenty into being

890
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: nothing like you were a big deal, but like you've

891
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: had longevity. That's what we talked about this whole time.

892
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: This is so interesting. You had to make a big

893
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: choice and give up a lot of money at the

894
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: moment for the moment to have the big to jump

895
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: to fly. Okay, give a couple of examples on this.

896
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: So I come down and I shed many a teer

897
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: on Camilla's shoulder about this choice, and she was like,

898
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it, and she repeated my dad's words

899
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: to me because we were like, we don't know how

900
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: long you won't work all my money, manager, do I

901
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: have to have I saved my money because I may

902
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: not be working for a while. You've saved it well,

903
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: and I go, okay, So we say no, how old

904
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: are you? How old you at the time? This is

905
00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: twelve years ago? Some fort that's courageous. Okay, So I

906
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: don't Nothing comes in, but wrom content now? I say, no,

907
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: I read him? I said no, I read him. I

908
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: said that this one comes in with a with a

909
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: five million dollar off I read it, No, thank you.

910
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: They come back eight million dollar offer, said don't even

911
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: need to read again. No, no, no, thank you, already

912
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: read it. They come back, tend me, no thank you,

913
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: twelve million, no thank you. They come back at fourteen

914
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: point five million dollars. Same script that they offered me

915
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: from five that I said no to. What do you

916
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: think I said when they offered me fourteen point five?

917
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: I said, let me read that again. I read the

918
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: same script that I said no to a five man

919
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: with a fourteen point five million dollar offer, and guess

920
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: what it was the exact same words. But it was

921
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: a better script. It was funnier, it was more dramatic.

922
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: It had angles. Who I might be able to make

923
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: this baby work right here. Ultimately I go no, thank you. Now,

924
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,479
Speaker 1: when I said no to fourteen point five, I think

925
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: a little lightning go through Hollywood that they go again,

926
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: Like my dad, McConnaughey ain't bluffing, He's really not doing it.

927
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: As soon as that happens, now, nothing comes in. For

928
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: one year and two months, for fourteen more months, nothing

929
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: comes in. Now, I'm like, I think I may have

930
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: had my last day in Hollywood. I gotta think about

931
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: new careers. I gotta I think maybe we want to

932
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: go to be a high school football coach or orchestral conductor.

933
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about other careers. I may not ever work

934
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: in Hollywood again. Well, what happened twenty months after I

935
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: have said no? Phone rings? Well? Guests, who's now a

936
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: new novel? Interesting casting? Good idea for the drama Lincoln Lawyer? Guests,

937
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: who's now a new novel? Good idea for Killer Joe,

938
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: for Mud, for Magic Mike for True Detective, for Dallas

939
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: Buyer's Club. Bernie McConaughey. Why because I had that twenty

940
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 1: months I unbranded. I was forgotten. We don't know where's

941
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: McConaughey be. And he's not in our Eaters is a

942
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: romcom guys. Not our TV's a romcom guy. He's not

943
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: shirtless on the beach. There's no beaches in Texas and Austin.

944
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: Where is he? So went from He's not all right,

945
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: he's out. He's not doing those two all of a sudden, like,

946
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: where the hell is McConaughey, what's he doing? So then

947
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: all of a sudden that was gone enough out of

948
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: people's eye, got some anonymity. For all of a sudden,

949
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: somebody go, you know, would be an interesting idea to

950
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: go to McConaughey for the dramas that I wanted. When

951
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: they came, I just jumped on. So I unbranded brand.

952
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: You did a rinse because I was on a very

953
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: you know, questionable television show. And you can't hate what

954
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: made you. That's the problem. People think you think you're

955
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: better than it because you that's what made you. But

956
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: you're trying to be something else, and you're trying to

957
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,479
Speaker 1: look at the board and you gotta do the rints

958
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 1: and it's tempting to dip back in, but the second

959
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: you dip back in, you unrint. So you really did

960
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: a couragious game change or pivotal rinse. Wow, so your

961
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: rose was your thorn. You have the same thing, and

962
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: that enhanced the red lightstern green my thorn. It was

963
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: the penance, it was a sacrifice, and I bet on

964
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: it and gurrant, and it took many a wobbly day

965
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 1: by me for Camilla to go, stay on the track,

966
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: stay on. We were gonna outlast this. She's good, she's

967
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: a she's tough, she's a partner. Wow. Okay, that's amazing.

968
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: And then that led to many of the other roses

969
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: that I've had. I mean, I love my work I've

970
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: been able to do I I love making films. I

971
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: love finding characters that scare me in the right way,

972
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 1: and I've been doing it for twenty nine years. Well,

973
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: I want to say something. I'm really glad that you're

974
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: here today. You're obviously way more like successful and famous

975
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: than I am. But I have some really interesting people,

976
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: and I've stuck to my brand of what I'm doing here.

977
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: And like I said, some famous people have said they

978
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: want to come on, and it's tempting to me because

979
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: they're super famous. But I want to talk about this,

980
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: and I'm so glad that my gut instinct really thought

981
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: of you as a brand in a business and you're

982
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: so authentic and I'm so impressed by you. And I'm

983
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: you know, the sitting you're almost the same age. But

984
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you because you just made such great

985
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: decisions and for people at home, every little decision makes

986
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: a difference. Don't get sucked up in it and don't

987
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: torch yourself. But this is literally a puzzle and a

988
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: house that you've built one brick at a time. And

989
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: I see it that way. So that's what I want

990
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 1: the show to be, to show people how you built

991
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: the house. I'm so grateful for you today. This is

992
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: my rose. Awesome, awesome talking to you, you know, on

993
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: that on that that note you just said to the

994
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: to the listeners about the choices we make. I mean,

995
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: I will say this, Sometimes we can get into what

996
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: we call paralysis of analysis. For like wait to do

997
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: A do I do B? Do I do A do

998
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 1: do B and you can look up in a decade,

999
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: can be gone. Sometimes it's like just make a choice

1000
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: and commit to it. It's gonna may be the wrong.

1001
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: It'll reveal though itself and then you'll know and you

1002
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: go ah, okay. Or to reveal a new track for you.

1003
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: But sometimes it's like john't don't fall, But in putting in,

1004
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: commit to don't have facet and it'll reveal itself and

1005
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: turn out sometimes to be Oh, the decision wasn't that

1006
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: different from the other one either. I mean there's many

1007
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: outcomes from it. But I've got friends and I've seen it,

1008
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: and I've done it myself at times being caught in

1009
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: limbo and looking up and going year just went by.

1010
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: All roads lead to Rome. Just get in the damp

1011
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: car and make a left, make a right, right out

1012
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: of gas. You are amazing at this end. Please buy

1013
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: this book, this book green Lights. It's so authentic. I'm

1014
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: just impressed. And if there's anything you want to say

1015
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: at everybody, say hello, are your wife and your family?

1016
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: But if does any mantra already do you want to

1017
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: close with Otherwise? Just if we all made sense of

1018
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: humor r and default emotion, we might all get along

1019
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: a little better. All right, Well that's why we like

1020
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: each other. Matthew, have a wonderful day. Tone Nicole, I

1021
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: said hello and thank you for doing this. Thank you

1022
00:50:50,200 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: much awesome. I haven't wanted many celebrities and actors on

1023
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: here if they don't really fit the mold of what

1024
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: we're talking about, um of really being able to teach

1025
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: us or give us stories, or humanize themselves and be

1026
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: vulnerable and and provide wisdom about all the little decisions

1027
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: that it takes to be successful. Matthew McConaughey is the

1028
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: quintessential example of someone who has stayed true to himself,

1029
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: adhered to the brand, protected the realm, been in, had integrity,

1030
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: been intentional, and really has a career and a family

1031
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: and a business and a brand to show for it.

1032
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: Like we really just unwrapped and sort of did a

1033
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: reverse engineer on Matthew McConaughey and how he got here,

1034
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: and it now makes sense. He's certainly not just some

1035
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: good looking, shiny shirtless actor. That's the last thing. So

1036
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that he had him on. It's one

1037
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: of my favorite interviews and I'm just grateful. There's so

1038
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: much to learn the misinjury about life and law, us

1039
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: and love and parenting and business and entertainment and writing

1040
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: a book. So thank you all for listening. Remember to rate, review,

1041
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: and subscribe. Thrilled, Thank You Just Be is hosted an

1042
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: executive produced by me Bethany Frankel. Just Be as a

1043
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: production of the Real Productions and I Heart Radio. Our

1044
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: Managing Producer is Fiona Smith and our producer is Stephanie Stender.

1045
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: Our EP is Morgan Lavoy. To catch more moments from

1046
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Speaker 1: the show, follow us on Instagram and just be with

1047
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Speaker 1: Betty