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Speaker 2: The week on the Just Baseball Show Top ten Team Outfield.
Speaker 2: We've got a whole bunch to get to this week.
Speaker 2: We've got a World Baseball Classic preview and prediction episode.
Speaker 2: Peter is going to be back to drop his I
Speaker 2: guess picked to win and probably pick to make it
Speaker 2: out of each pool. But me, Jack him Arum are
Speaker 2: taking you through Team Outfields here on Monday, March sixth.
Speaker 2: First and foremost, I've never understood the whole Royal family thing.
Speaker 2: Did you see my tweet on Sunday morning? William and
Speaker 2: Kate were at a spin class in like a suit
Speaker 2: and address and they had like a quick twenty second
Speaker 2: race and it made Reuters like it made global news
Speaker 2: and there was a video of it and then the
Speaker 2: rest of the spin class had to clap after the
Speaker 2: twenty second race. It was the dumbest shit I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: And Clay Snowden, one of our writers, made a great
Speaker 2: comment about it. He was like, Americans know way too
Speaker 2: much about celebrities, Like what if we knew less? And
Speaker 2: my thought is, yes, you're not helping, not helping, but
Speaker 2: what do we do about the Royal Family? Because like,
Speaker 2: what do.
Speaker 3: You ignore them? That's what I do. I legitimately don't
Speaker 3: even like the names that you just mentioned. If you
Speaker 3: gave me a lineup of faces, I would not be
Speaker 3: able to line them up. I'm not kidding. South Mark
Speaker 3: actually just had a great episode on on the Royal
Speaker 3: Family and in that situation, which was really really funny,
Speaker 3: so I would I would recommend checking that out. But
Speaker 3: now I I it's one of my biggest pet peeves
Speaker 3: on earth that specifically not a reality TV guy, not
Speaker 3: a Royal Family guy, And yeah, I'm checked out. I
Speaker 3: don't I don't pay attention whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I eat up a good season of the Bachelor, and
Speaker 2: like I eat up my numbing television.
Speaker 3: I don't judge that. I don't judge that. That's that's
Speaker 3: that's some good mind numbing stuff to like just unplug
Speaker 3: and change it up. I'm okay with that, But I
Speaker 3: draw the line at like inside Edition, let me keep
Speaker 3: up with what every celebrity is doing and just like
Speaker 3: make their lives feel miserable because they have no privacy.
Speaker 2: So you're not a keeping up with the Kardashians person,
Speaker 2: I assume hell no, okay me neither me neither. I
Speaker 2: think my thing with the Royal family is like I
Speaker 2: care so little about them that I want to know
Speaker 2: what's going on because I think it's funny.
Speaker 3: I yeah, I just I don't even get it. I
Speaker 3: don't what do they do? They just get money for
Speaker 3: I think so like Royal I don't. I don't don't
Speaker 3: understand that that's thing anymore. It's twenty twenty thirty, right,
Speaker 3: you see a separate government that like actually makes decisions.
Speaker 2: They just know they have a prime minister, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: forget it, move off. Are a baseball time? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about team outfields before that. A couple
Speaker 2: of a couple of overreactions from spring training come from
Speaker 2: Tampa and Cincinnati. Cincinnati Ellie de la Cruz with a
Speaker 2: triple in a nuke Christian and karnassion Strand with what
Speaker 2: a four hundred and forty foot home run? Are you
Speaker 2: all the way pot in on that or what? I like?
Speaker 3: I am? And I'm not like, I know he's going
Speaker 3: to hit for a ton of power. I'm just worried
Speaker 3: about like the hit tools and everyday player Uh, we
Speaker 3: know he can do that. You know, so Red's prospects,
Speaker 3: Christian and karnassion Strand he's gonna hit you your tape
Speaker 3: measure shots. It's just can you catch up to vll Oh.
Speaker 3: It's got a little bit of a pushy swin, which
Speaker 3: is gonna make Vello a little bit difficult. But man,
Speaker 3: when he gets into one, he gets into one. Speaking
Speaker 3: of which, I just went to my first spring training game.
Speaker 3: It was a blast. It was a blast just to
Speaker 3: be at the field. The game itself kind of sucked.
Speaker 3: It was Marlins, Mets, Mark Vientos put on a show.
Speaker 3: And actually, I'm glad you brought up spring training real quick,
Speaker 3: because how about all of these youngsters, Man, Like, these
Speaker 3: aren't just the youngsters coming in against other youngsters. Curtis
Speaker 3: mead multi home run game is Ray Raise prospect, Mark
Speaker 3: Vianto's Mets prospect, multi home run game, Jordan freaking Walker
Speaker 3: basically almost it for the cycle. That's, of course, the
Speaker 3: Cardinals prospect. We're going to talk about all these guys
Speaker 3: in detail on the call up, but all of these
Speaker 3: guys pertain to the Just Baseball Show because they're making
Speaker 3: their damn case to be in the opening day lineup.
Speaker 3: And I don't think that Vientos is just because of
Speaker 3: the roster. I don't think that Meat is because of
Speaker 3: the rays. And I don't think that Walker should be
Speaker 3: because he has not played in Triple A yet and
Speaker 3: still needs to get his he wet in the outfield.
Speaker 3: But shit, man, Walker keeps doing this, I might have
Speaker 3: to put my hands up and just say, hey, just
Speaker 3: throw him out there. He's swinging it too well. So
Speaker 3: it's kind of funny because he would fit into this
Speaker 3: Cardinals outfield, which we will be talking about in this episode.
Speaker 3: But I just wanted to mention all the youngsters swinging
Speaker 3: it and spring training so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah. My other overreaction was TODJ. Bradley looked great again
Speaker 2: for Tampa in the same game that Need had a
Speaker 2: multi homer day, So the youth is there. I think
Speaker 2: Taj Bradley is good enough to be in that opening
Speaker 2: day rotation, even though he will likely not be because
Speaker 2: they're so crowded. If Glassnow is hurt, he could be
Speaker 2: making a case for it. But I have no idea
Speaker 2: how severe Glassnow's issue is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the thing with Taj is this splitter. That's
Speaker 3: the big X factor. And again we're going to talk
Speaker 3: about him when we start breaking down the top one
Speaker 3: hundred prospect lists should be out soon. But if his
Speaker 3: splitter is semi consistent, because his slider, you and I
Speaker 3: have seen it, it's phenomenal. The fast fall is fantastic.
Speaker 3: If the splitter is just semi consistent, this guy is
Speaker 3: going to be a problem. And guess what, Jack, It's
Speaker 3: been pretty consistent in spring training and look at what
Speaker 3: he's done. So man, if the Rays kind of get
Speaker 3: him right, that's a perfect guy to be able to
Speaker 3: plug into that rotation. And I would love I would
Speaker 3: love to see him starting triple ultimately too, just another
Speaker 3: guy just like make a few starts in triple, which
Speaker 3: is weird. I feel like I'm I'm I'm perpetuating service
Speaker 3: time manipulation here. But I just I like seeing guys
Speaker 3: like come into the big leagues hot, you know, kind
Speaker 3: of ride that wave in hot instead of like go
Speaker 3: sink or swim. See how you do. But yeah, my
Speaker 3: overreaction is going to be Mark Fianto should be their DH,
Speaker 3: you know, or at least their left handed mashing DH
Speaker 3: the Darren rough roll right away. I think he can
Speaker 3: be better than Rough from day one. I know they
Speaker 3: gave up some decent pieces for Rough, so they don't
Speaker 3: want to just you know, relegate him into the but
Speaker 3: I think Mark Vanto can be a better option right away.
Speaker 3: He took some freak swings at that game. He tomahawked
Speaker 3: one up and then also hit a really nice put
Speaker 3: a nice swing on a Dylan Floro you know, breaking ball,
Speaker 3: which you know, again this is I think this is
Speaker 3: a guy that can really produce for them.
Speaker 2: Mark Vanzos, Yeah, I was just on on Saturday night.
Speaker 2: I was just on Chatterbox Reds with Nick Kirby, who
Speaker 2: obviously does great work in Cincinnati, and you and I
Speaker 2: both know him and have read his stuff, has listened
Speaker 2: to his stuff, and Nick I kind of explained my
Speaker 2: thought process in regards to Christian and Karnacion strength because
Speaker 2: obviously he's kicking tail right now, He's kicking ass, said
Speaker 2: would he make sense on the opening day roster and
Speaker 2: I said no, because he I wanted to see him
Speaker 2: get comfortable and double, and then get comfortable and triple
Speaker 2: because my overwhelming prospect thought is in terms of hitters,
Speaker 2: the moment they get comfortable at a level, I think
Speaker 2: is when you can move him up. But I got
Speaker 2: to see him get comfortable and succeed at each level
Speaker 2: as post to arms, where like, if you look great
Speaker 2: for four starts, just go up to the next one. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I agree with that too, especially.
Speaker 2: But I think the conversation changes with Jordan Walker because
Speaker 2: he's the He might be the best power hitting prospect
Speaker 2: in baseball. Yeah, he might be making his push for
Speaker 2: best hitting prospect in baseball, like not all around best
Speaker 2: offensive prospect in the game. If he continues to do
Speaker 2: what he's doing right now, it's hard not to put
Speaker 2: him on the opening day roster.
Speaker 3: He's going to force their hand if he keeps doing
Speaker 3: what he's doing it. And we've seen more teams push
Speaker 3: guys up from double, you know, and I think that's
Speaker 3: something that Walker looks like he could be ready. Uh
Speaker 3: you know. The one thing for him is the sliders.
Speaker 3: Maybe give him a little bit of trouble last year,
Speaker 3: but it looks like he's already making those adjustments. He
Speaker 3: didn't go yard off of some you know, random minor
Speaker 3: league filling guys. He went yard off of Josiah Gray,
Speaker 3: which I know a lot of people did. But then
Speaker 3: he went yard off of a couple other big league
Speaker 3: arms in that game, and he's continued to just mash
Speaker 3: against big leaguers, so I think that's something to really
Speaker 3: look at. My concern is the defense, But if you're
Speaker 3: hitting like that, who cares, and I think the defense
Speaker 3: will come along. But he could also kind of rotate
Speaker 3: in the DH roll or whatever. So I'm interested to
Speaker 3: see what they do. But Walker, if he keeps doing this,
Speaker 3: he's going to force their hand and people are going
Speaker 3: to be clamoring for him on the opening day roster,
Speaker 3: and I think we're already starting to see that momentum
Speaker 3: build a little bit. The one thing within karnasil streand
Speaker 3: real quick chasing way too much that that's something that'll
Speaker 3: get exposed more at the big, big level. I'd love
Speaker 3: to see him just show an improvement with the approach
Speaker 3: and double especially triple A where guys have better command,
Speaker 3: and then send him up there. I think that's a
Speaker 3: different case. Walker might be forcing the hand here for
Speaker 3: the Cardinals that said we're gonna talk about the outfield,
Speaker 3: where does he fit in? Obviously, once he's ready, you
Speaker 3: move somebody, because he's Jordan freaking Walker. But they've got
Speaker 3: a lot going on out there, and a lot of
Speaker 3: moving parts that I'm really interested. And that's why it's
Speaker 3: so surprising that they haven't traded from some of this surplus.
Speaker 3: But again, we'll get to that.
Speaker 2: Brother. The answer may be dh with Yepez, you move
Speaker 2: Yepez out of the dh roll, and it's just Jordan
Speaker 2: Walker's to lose. Right.
Speaker 3: I love yet Best too, though, I know, but it's
Speaker 3: Jordan Walker. Yet Best could be really special, but it's
Speaker 3: Jordan Walker. Yeah, Best could be special?
Speaker 2: Could yepes be Jordan Walker.
Speaker 3: I think he could be better than Jordan Walker for
Speaker 3: the first half of this season.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's fair. Through twenty at bats, Walker's hitting
Speaker 2: four point fifty with three homers. So yeah, Like, if
Speaker 2: he continues this, you make space.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta know, you can't. You literally cannot. I
Speaker 3: think they should legitimately put him in situations where he
Speaker 3: is expected to fail, so that they could say, okay,
Speaker 3: here you struggled against Verlander. But or if he goes,
Speaker 3: you ont off Verlander, You're like, all right, here, we
Speaker 3: gotta do it.
Speaker 2: You want to be able to point to it like
Speaker 2: an arbitration hearings, Right, It's like this is what you
Speaker 2: did poorly this spring and this set, how you're not
Speaker 2: on these.
Speaker 3: Just sink or swim in the toughest spots. And I
Speaker 3: think they're going to do that. I think he's gonna
Speaker 3: be at the top of the order for them throughout
Speaker 3: the spring and they're gonna say struggle or if you can,
Speaker 3: if you can survive the final boss here, yeah, then
Speaker 3: there you go. You're good to go. And I think
Speaker 3: that's something he can rise to.
Speaker 2: Think about that lineup too. Nuke Bar's playing for Japan,
Speaker 2: Edmond's playing for Korea, Goldschmidt and Aeronado were playing for US. Like,
Speaker 2: there's a spot for Jordan Walker in the lineup every day.
Speaker 2: So he's going to be seeing a lot of the
Speaker 2: best arms because guess what, a lot of the best
Speaker 2: American arms, a lot of the best Dominican arms are
Speaker 2: not pitching for the US or the Dominican.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, correct, So it should be fun. That's that's
Speaker 3: definitely got to follow closely the rest of spring training.
Speaker 2: Yep. All right, outfields, We've got three honorable mentions, and
Speaker 2: then of course the top ten, the two that we
Speaker 2: left off San Francisco and Minnesota Minnesota. Is Gallo, Buxton
Speaker 2: and Kepler Buckston obviously greats. Can't say on the field, Gallo,
Speaker 2: they figured out a way to shift against him.
Speaker 3: Boom, that's so funny.
Speaker 2: It's so funny, like they're royally fucked if he hits
Speaker 2: the ball to left field. But chances are he's not
Speaker 2: hitting the ball to left field.
Speaker 3: Dude, I think he can, Like, I think he's going
Speaker 3: to figure that out. And for those who didn't see it,
Speaker 3: they legit put two outfielders in left and right. Excuse me,
Speaker 3: they put.
Speaker 2: Nobody in shallow right, and they had the center fielder
Speaker 2: in the right field are pretty much playing straight up
Speaker 2: the right fielder towards the line a little bit.
Speaker 3: So there was like five hundred square feet of open
Speaker 3: space basically and in left and left center field, and
Speaker 3: like he could pop up into left field. Expected batting
Speaker 3: average of zero and it's gonna fall for a double triple.
Speaker 3: I'm really interested to see how this goes, because I
Speaker 3: think that Joey Gallo is capable of inside outing a
Speaker 3: pop up. The problem with the shift was those wouldn't play.
Speaker 3: You still had to hit the ball hard somewhere to
Speaker 3: fall because you had to hit it into the outfield
Speaker 3: hard because you had three outfielders. Still, the hard part
Speaker 3: was sneaking it through the infield. Regardless. Joey Gallo is
Speaker 3: is not a guy that we're you know, I think
Speaker 3: expecting to be much more than a slightly above replacement
Speaker 3: level player. So it's hard to put that outfield above
Speaker 3: that said, healthy bust In, some of the young guys
Speaker 3: performing that Kepler is underrated. If Warnick or somebody else
Speaker 3: kind of fits in here and can contribute, it's a
Speaker 3: it could be a good outfield, but it's just not
Speaker 3: proven enough and too many I think too much variants,
Speaker 3: even with their best player in Buxton and Center to
Speaker 3: put them in the top ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can't or even in the honorable mentions, right,
Speaker 2: they might be Fifteen fourteen is San Francisco. And the
Speaker 2: way we went about this, and you can follow along
Speaker 2: the write up it's on just Baseball dot com. It's
Speaker 2: also in the episode description. And the way we did
Speaker 2: this is the projected starting outfielders are the three projected
Speaker 2: outfielders on fangrafts, but of course we're gonna mention the
Speaker 2: others that could factor in. San Francisco is the other
Speaker 2: like just missed, and that is Confordo, mikeys Streemsky, Mitch
Speaker 2: Hanneger and Jock Peterson has slated as like the opening
Speaker 2: day d H Right now, Conforto, I don't want anybody
Speaker 2: just banking on him being good. He missed an entire
Speaker 2: year of baseball more more.
Speaker 3: Like, and since the last time he's played, it's been
Speaker 3: how long, I mean, how many days do you think
Speaker 3: since the last time he played an actual Major league
Speaker 3: baseball game.
Speaker 2: It is the Jonathan Isaac thing, Like he's been gone
Speaker 2: for a really long time, So we.
Speaker 3: Don't know how his body's going to react. We don't
Speaker 3: know how It's been a long long time. So we'll
Speaker 3: see and and remember like this is a guy that
Speaker 3: we saw a lot of players impacted by the shortened
Speaker 3: twenty twenty season. He plays twenty twenty one, one hundred twenty
Speaker 3: five games after that, like, we'll see how he does.
Speaker 3: But that said, he wasn't doing that well too, right,
Speaker 3: Like twenty twenty one was a bad season for him.
Speaker 3: I like the Canfordo pickup. I think he can be good.
Speaker 3: I think it was a good deal for the Giants,
Speaker 3: but we can't bank on him. I agree he can't
Speaker 3: bank on him being anything more than a one and
Speaker 3: a half two win guy. I think he can very
Speaker 3: easily be better than that, but a bank on that
Speaker 3: would be would be malpractice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And Hanneger is good. We both
Speaker 2: like Hanneger. Mikeystremsky is solid, but they're they're not top fifteen,
Speaker 2: I don't think. And our three honorable mentions are Arizona,
Speaker 2: Chicago White Sox, and the LA Dodgers. Start with the Diamondbacks.
Speaker 2: As of right now, it's Corbyn Carroll, Alec Thomas, Jake McCarthy.
Speaker 2: You've got Lordus Gurriel as the DH type. This is
Speaker 2: an outfield that could be really good or could be
Speaker 2: underwhelming for our expectations, like Alec Thomas got optioned at
Speaker 2: the end of last year, but we also think Alec
Speaker 2: Thomas can be great, and we think Corbyn Carroll can
Speaker 2: be a six win player. But he also may sputter
Speaker 2: that there is a whole bunch of deviation available for
Speaker 2: the Arizona Diamondbacks.
Speaker 3: I would I could make a case. I think that
Speaker 3: they could be higher because while there is uh like,
Speaker 3: there is deviation there. Like you said, I don't think
Speaker 3: this outfield is capable of being bad because even if
Speaker 3: they're not hitting, they're gonna defend and they're gonna run,
Speaker 3: and they're gonna put the ball in play enough, Like
Speaker 3: even Alec Thomas last year, but where he was just
Speaker 3: not hitting, I know they sent him down. I think
Speaker 3: there was more to that. I don't totally know why,
Speaker 3: but like even being lost out there and not playing well,
Speaker 3: like he still was above replacement level, which is saying
Speaker 3: a lot because he was really not hitting for them
Speaker 3: at all. I look at a Jake McCarthy, great defender,
Speaker 3: he's gonna steal bag, he's gonna put the bat on ball.
Speaker 3: Gorman Carrol's a fast player in Majorleague Baseball and hits
Speaker 3: the ball hard like he's gonna find a way, and
Speaker 3: the defense is great. Triples yeah, oh yeah, no. I
Speaker 3: think if you look at my right up on him
Speaker 3: from even two years ago, I said he's going to
Speaker 3: lead the leaking triples because of that outfield too, just
Speaker 3: the space out there. Peralta, David Peralta always had a
Speaker 3: ton of triples out there, So imagine what Corman Carroll's
Speaker 3: gonna have out there. I think this outfield's going to
Speaker 3: find a way to even at the bottom be good,
Speaker 3: but this could be a great outfield if these guys
Speaker 3: hit the way they can. I am a little bit
Speaker 3: concerned about the bats of McCarthy and Thomas, Relatively speaking,
Speaker 3: I'm not really worried about Carrol, even as a rookie.
Speaker 3: I think at the very worst you're getting above average production.
Speaker 2: From him, which is why at the twenty twenty two
Speaker 2: end of season updated the top one he was one
Speaker 2: over gunner because like, there's nothing to worry.
Speaker 3: About with Carol No, literally nothing.
Speaker 2: I think Jake McCarthy is a very underrated talent for
Speaker 2: Arizona ninety nine games, finished fourth and Rookie of the Year,
Speaker 2: voting eight homers forty three driven in. He was twenty
Speaker 2: three for twenty six in the stolen based department. If
Speaker 2: you're that good of a base dealer with a seven
Speaker 2: to seventy oh ps, you've got a spot man. And
Speaker 2: I think Guriell is like the rotating guy in the outfield,
Speaker 2: and he who knows, maybe Gabriel Moreno hops in a
Speaker 2: corner at some point if they feel like Carson Kelly
Speaker 2: needs to catch. I think too.
Speaker 3: Garriella is a left fielder, is like God forbid, Thomas
Speaker 3: stinks or McCarthy thinks what we don't think is gonna happen,
Speaker 3: Like Garriell in the corner is still an above average
Speaker 3: big league outfield act correct, So I mean they've got
Speaker 3: a nice even though he's not a good or a
Speaker 3: great defender, he's gonna hit and he's gonna be fine
Speaker 3: enough defensively. Yeah, last thing on them, McCarthy, I don't
Speaker 3: know how to feel about him. Like, I know, he's
Speaker 3: a good player. He's hit at least above average. He's
Speaker 3: put up above average numbers at every stop and kind
Speaker 3: of done similar to what we saw last year. But like,
Speaker 3: do you think that he can maintain a two eighty three,
Speaker 3: three forty two, you know, four to twenty seven slash
Speaker 3: line at the big league level, you know as he continues,
Speaker 3: or is he more of a one hundred WRC plus
Speaker 3: guy with all of the little you know, I guess
Speaker 3: what would you say, like accents to his game right,
Speaker 3: like all of the little like tangibles. Yeah, Like that's
Speaker 3: the one thing I don't know. I I he is
Speaker 3: a very tough read for me. I think that he
Speaker 3: can be close, like close to what he was last
Speaker 3: year though ultimately gun in my head, that's probably what
Speaker 3: i'd say, But I do have some concern of, like,
Speaker 3: you know what if he does regress a bit offensively.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So he had a one eighteen ops plus last year,
Speaker 2: even if he's like a one oh three to one
Speaker 2: oh five ops plus guy, I feel good about everything
Speaker 2: else that he does. And he's always going to be
Speaker 2: the third outfielder here, you know what I mean? Yeaheah,
Speaker 2: So I feel decent about that. An ode to John Rothstein.
Speaker 2: It is conference championship week, Conference tournament week in college basketball.
Speaker 2: It is March by stock now in the Arizona Diamondbacks outfield.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll say also, real quick, Kyle Lewis, Like
Speaker 3: I don't. I think he's pretty pretty cooked in terms
Speaker 3: of playing center and stuff. But that guy can get
Speaker 3: by in a corner. Again, that's that's a bonus guy
Speaker 3: to throw out there. If anything goes wrong, that's not bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Second, Honora, we'll mention is the White Sox. One
Speaker 2: of these things is not like the other. Andrew Ben
Speaker 2: and Tendy Luis Robert and Gavin Sheets. Is the projected
Speaker 2: opening day outfield. There were two massive holes for them
Speaker 2: in the corners last year with Vaughan at first. Now
Speaker 2: there's one. It's in right. I thought Ben and Tendy
Speaker 2: was a really good signing for them because Tim Anderson's
Speaker 2: gonna lead off and Benny's probably gonna hit two, and
Speaker 2: then Luis Robert. We know when he's on the field
Speaker 2: and if he is fully healthy, he can be that
Speaker 2: perennial All Star, borderline MVP candidate type talent. It's the
Speaker 2: Buxton conversation. I think that the second and third options
Speaker 2: with Eloi Jimenez is the DH. Please God do not
Speaker 2: let him play outfield. But if he does, he's gonna
Speaker 2: suck defensively, but we know what he can do with
Speaker 2: the bat when he's healthy. I think that if you
Speaker 2: have even eighty percent of Buston and Luis Robert, I
Speaker 2: think Ben and Tende and sheet Slash Jimenez is better
Speaker 2: than Gallo and Kepler.
Speaker 3: The reason why I love Ben Attendy and I love
Speaker 3: that signing is that you know what you're gonna get
Speaker 3: with him, right, Like there's something just settling about finally
Speaker 3: having a White Sox player that you know, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we can pencil him in for you know two and
Speaker 3: a half three wins, we're.
Speaker 2: Saying we couldn't do that with you on Winkata.
Speaker 3: Dude, I mean like even that, Like it's a roller
Speaker 3: coaster with all these guys, it's an absolute roller coaster.
Speaker 3: So just knowing that Ben Attendy's gonna hit for average,
Speaker 3: sneak out enough home runs, He's gonna you know, be
Speaker 3: fine defensively, Like, it's just refreshing, right, So you can
Speaker 3: pencil that guy, you can sharp be that guy in
Speaker 3: Oscar Colos is a great backup plan if Sheet struggles,
Speaker 3: which makes me feel better about the one hole out there.
Speaker 3: And Colos is swinging it, man, another guy that you
Speaker 3: think it's even a backup plan, I think it's gonna
Speaker 3: end up being the primary plan here. This is a
Speaker 3: team that I think has, you know, they know the
Speaker 3: pressure that they're feeling to win now. And if Colas
Speaker 3: keeps swinging it in the spring, that's a team that
Speaker 3: I think would say fuck it before many others. And
Speaker 3: I think colos is just ability to crush fastballs will
Speaker 3: let him you know, be competitive from the from the
Speaker 3: get go. And he hits left as well. So Colos
Speaker 3: is a guy that I think really helps the outfield
Speaker 3: situation overall. I think this outfield you talk about like
Speaker 3: variants and best outcome potential, this outfield has a chance
Speaker 3: to be one of the better outfields. If Luis Robert
Speaker 3: is doing what you said he could do, which I agree,
Speaker 3: I concur and and if e Boy Jimenez is producing,
Speaker 3: I know you can kind of count that as an outfielder.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he'll jump out there from from time to time.
Speaker 3: But Colas will be the big X factor here because
Speaker 3: I don't think you're gonna expect much from sheets, good
Speaker 3: depth bat, good bench bat that you can fit in there,
Speaker 3: but Colos is the big X factor.
Speaker 2: Favorite thing that Baseball Reference does for their spring training stats.
Speaker 2: They have something at the tail end called opponent quality,
Speaker 2: and they graded on a one to ten scale, one
Speaker 2: being you're facing a position player on the mound, ten
Speaker 2: being you're facing a major league arm Oscar Colas, in
Speaker 2: eight games so far this spring, has an opponent quality
Speaker 2: of seven and a half, which sits right in between
Speaker 2: double and triple A. He's seven for sixteen with a
Speaker 2: double and one strikeout in sixteen played appearances against double
Speaker 2: A slash triple A.
Speaker 3: Pitching I saw our guy Elijah Evans, who's out there
Speaker 3: covering spring training in Arizona.
Speaker 2: Doing a great job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, doing a great job and writing some stuff up
Speaker 3: with spring training notes and do an interview. So check
Speaker 3: out his stuff on just Baseball dot com. But I
Speaker 3: saw he put out a video of Coloss with a
Speaker 3: nice two strike swing up the middle, and that was
Speaker 3: something that, you know, like he was a guy that
Speaker 3: it was big hack, big hack behind oh two, I
Speaker 3: don't care big hack again. Yeah, Which, you know what,
Speaker 3: if I'm in the minors, man and I'm putting up numbers,
Speaker 3: I'll keep ripping it too. I'm not gonna pretend like
Speaker 3: who gives a shit? Like he was raking, who cares?
Speaker 3: Like take your hack so too too, like whatever. But
Speaker 3: this is a guy that now realized I'm trying to
Speaker 3: make a big league club, and to see him have
Speaker 3: a different approach is refreshing. And I think that's a
Speaker 3: testament to his maturity and a testament to the fact
Speaker 3: that this is a guy that's serious about making the team.
Speaker 3: And I think the White Sox are noticing that, and
Speaker 3: I think he's going to force their hand to make
Speaker 3: this team.
Speaker 2: I think so too. All Right, third honorable mention. And
Speaker 2: again one of these things is not like the other
Speaker 2: in the other way is the LA Dodgers, David Peralta,
Speaker 2: Trace Thompson, Mookie Bets. This is the conversation around outfields,
Speaker 2: and we just had a conversation pre recording about where
Speaker 2: the Yankees should sit on this list because they have
Speaker 2: the best player in baseball and the best season arguably
Speaker 2: in baseball history from a year ago. And then they
Speaker 2: have Aaron Hicks in the outfield as well. The Dodgers
Speaker 2: have two platoon guys and Mookie Bets. Mookie Bets alone
Speaker 2: makes them an honorable mention in outfield. I think if
Speaker 2: Jason Hayward does what we think he may do this year,
Speaker 2: I then immediately a top ten You're in like fully
Speaker 2: bought in, dude.
Speaker 3: That I had the weird like not fully bought in.
Speaker 3: I'm just in on, like give him some at bats
Speaker 3: this this swing adjustment, like trading him like a prospect.
Speaker 3: His swing before was so like I can't emphasize enough
Speaker 3: how like he got away with so many bad moves.
Speaker 3: If he was a prospect, I would like I'd be
Speaker 3: very out, but he got away with excuse an athletic freak.
Speaker 3: But then it started to not work as much and
Speaker 3: they were able to game plan for him a bit
Speaker 3: more and he slowed down a little bit. Hayward's old
Speaker 3: swing was like if you put a gun to his
Speaker 3: head and said, you have to hit this ball on
Speaker 3: the ground or I'm shooting you. Like that's what his
Speaker 3: swing was.
Speaker 2: Now it's to the first basement.
Speaker 3: Yes. Now his swing's like he's trying to lift the ball.
Speaker 3: Like it's much more geared towards what we're seeing some
Speaker 3: of the best hitters in today's game do. He's staying
Speaker 3: in his back hit better like he used to have
Speaker 3: a lot of forward move. Freeman got with him there,
Speaker 3: and usually I don't buy that kind of stuff, But
Speaker 3: just looking, if you put side by side the swings,
Speaker 3: it's not even close. It's night and day. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying this guy's gonna be a star, but I think
Speaker 3: he could be a contributor and worth the roster spot,
Speaker 3: which they need right now. It's funny. That's one of
Speaker 3: the weirdest tweet engagements I've ever had. Was I just said,
Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm in on
Speaker 3: this swing, Like this plays on Jason Hayward zero retweets,
Speaker 3: like a hundred likes and just people just like I
Speaker 3: probably bookmarking it, like all right, man, he said it,
Speaker 3: like I'm liking it, and I'm coming back to this.
Speaker 2: They're ready to dm old takes exposed. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never had one hundred likes and zero retweets, like,
Speaker 3: I've never had that before, So I'm very it was
Speaker 3: a very interesting, like very very interesting just social experiment there.
Speaker 3: Chris Taylor, like he struggled last year, man, but that's
Speaker 3: still an above average big League or even if he
Speaker 3: replicates last year, I think he'll be better. I do.
Speaker 3: That's a great outfield option as well.
Speaker 2: But Taylor's got to play the infield.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, but you figure he still has
Speaker 3: to be considered in that outfield, right, Like he still
Speaker 3: has to be a guy that's that's relevant to that outfield.
Speaker 3: And then James Alton, James Altman's got to be got
Speaker 3: to be considered out here too.
Speaker 2: I really like Alvin. Yeah, I mean shit.
Speaker 3: Already the other day, I know.
Speaker 2: I know, Like trust me, I'm keeping tabs because you
Speaker 2: and Taylor Davis made fun of me for taking him
Speaker 2: pretty high in our twenty year Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was a stupid pick. Yeah, in our in our
Speaker 3: in our redraft, he's twenty six. We're doing a redraft.
Speaker 3: There's like twenty year olds on the board, and you're
Speaker 3: ripping the twenty six year old rookie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with freak tools. Jason Hayward. Listen, he's not thirty eight.
Speaker 2: He's thirty three years old.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: He's not like Johns, like that build that he had
Speaker 2: in Chicago six five, two forty. He still looks like that. Yes,
Speaker 2: he's still technically like in an age where a lot
Speaker 2: of people are nearing the end of their prime. He's
Speaker 2: not over the hill. He had a problem, and if
Speaker 2: he fixes it, he's got five more major league seasons
Speaker 2: available for him pretty much.
Speaker 3: Dude, think about where Trace Thompson was before last year
Speaker 3: and what swing adjustments and things have done for him.
Speaker 3: And he's guess what the same age. Trace Thompson's thirty two,
Speaker 3: Jason Aedward's thirty three. Like, think a better from that
Speaker 3: perspective for a second. Like, he's not cooked. He can
Speaker 3: make adjustments, And that's why I'm kind of in on
Speaker 3: a bounce back that said, this outfield is very deficient
Speaker 3: from what we're used to for the LA Dodgers.
Speaker 2: All right, Jason Hayward, I'm grabbing guys that are born
Speaker 2: right around his birthday August nine to nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 2: Anthony Rizzo is a day older than him. Let's see,
Speaker 2: Patrick Corbin is right around there. Jabbari Blash is right there.
Speaker 3: He just came out a legend.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean like, if you don't think Anthony Rizzo
Speaker 2: is over the hill, you better not think Jason Hayward
Speaker 2: is over the hill. But I understand why you would think.
Speaker 3: So, Yes, because of the way his game declined so quickly.
Speaker 3: I really think it was the swing just not working.
Speaker 2: There we go, all right, Number ten, the other LA team,
Speaker 2: the Angels, Taylor Ward, Mike Trout, Hunter renfro. Ward had
Speaker 2: a good season last year. Hunter renfro is a thirty
Speaker 2: homer threat. They've got Mike freaking Trout in center field.
Speaker 2: They're not not a top ten team. I think that
Speaker 2: there is a bit more depth and a couple more
Speaker 2: dynamic players on the teams above them. But when you've
Speaker 2: got Mike Trout in the outfield and you've got guys
Speaker 2: that are serviceable flanking him. This is a top ten
Speaker 2: outfield in the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is another one you could bump
Speaker 3: up a little bit just because Renfro is a guy
Speaker 3: that you know what you're getting. You're getting a right,
Speaker 3: like you said around thirty home runs, Taylor Ward, it
Speaker 3: was an All Star last year, and like, this guy's
Speaker 3: really good. And then we know what Mike Trout is,
Speaker 3: don't don't really need to talk about Joe Adele. I
Speaker 3: think if you're counting on anything from Joe Adell, you're
Speaker 3: you're you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
Speaker 2: I'm counting on an All Star season from Adele.
Speaker 3: Oh, well, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
Speaker 2: That's what I do for That's what I've done for
Speaker 2: twenty five years. Now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you go. And then Brett Phillips, you know, great, great,
Speaker 3: great attitude, So.
Speaker 2: You really can't do guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I do think that that three is
Speaker 3: a clear cut top ten outfield in baseball though, that three,
Speaker 3: Like again, I love referencing it because I think it's
Speaker 3: the best point that that could be made that uh,
Speaker 3: you know, foolish, foolish baseball Bailey made on the on
Speaker 3: the plots surround Mike Trout and show him Tony with
Speaker 3: guys who don't suck, and and that they haven't really
Speaker 3: done that and now they're they're doing that and and
Speaker 3: that makes it a really good outfield.
Speaker 2: Yeah right too, all right, number nine. Tell me if
Speaker 2: you think the Angels should be ahead of number nine,
Speaker 2: But it's the Phillies. Kyle Schwarber, Brandon Marsh, Nick Costianos,
Speaker 2: Marsh was an outfield made of Mike Trout in LA
Speaker 2: at the beginning of last year. If we did this
Speaker 2: last year, Marsh would have been in the number ten spot.
Speaker 2: But Marsh holds down center. He's surrounded by two guys
Speaker 2: that are defensive liabilities. But Schwarber is a fifty homer threat.
Speaker 2: Nick Costianos can't be worse than what he was last year,
Speaker 2: and Marsh has proven ample value for the Philadelphia Phillies.
Speaker 2: I like them over the Angels, I think because of
Speaker 2: the impact that Schwarber can make. Costianos if he does
Speaker 2: get back to Nick Costiano's light, even if he's twenty
Speaker 2: five homers, if he's an eight hundred ops, feel good
Speaker 2: about it. And then Brandon Marsh. I'm high on Marsh.
Speaker 3: I agree with everything you're saying. I would probably go Angels.
Speaker 3: Here's my thing, Taylor Ward or Nick Castianos, actually even
Speaker 3: even different, Hunter Renfro or Nick Castillanos.
Speaker 2: So I think we're going to disagree here, but I'm
Speaker 2: probably going Castianos for twenty three. If you look at
Speaker 2: twenty two, obviously Renfro, if you look at twenty one, obviously, Castillanos.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm worried like he might he might just stink.
Speaker 3: And then Schwarber is awesome, but Mike Trout can give
Speaker 3: you that with a glove in center field. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: then Taylor Ward or or Castianos, then.
Speaker 2: I'll take Ward.
Speaker 3: I think you could make the the the Angels case
Speaker 3: over this group. Here's the big big issue here. When
Speaker 3: Bryce Harper comes back, is he dhing or is he
Speaker 3: playing the outfield? Because even even a slightly below average
Speaker 3: or below average defensive Bryce Harper out there, like you
Speaker 3: put Castianos at DH and it's Harper, Schwarber and marsh
Speaker 3: That's that's fucking nasty. And and I think he's gonna
Speaker 3: play a little outfield. I don't know how the arm
Speaker 3: situation is gonna be. I feel like you can play
Speaker 3: some outfield once he comes back.
Speaker 2: If I were a betting man, he d H.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't pretend like I know, I have zero idea.
Speaker 3: It's probably the right I think they probably it's probably
Speaker 3: the sharp play is the betting yeah, yeah, And then
Speaker 3: if you're wrong, it was still the sharp play. I think.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like with how bad Casianos
Speaker 3: can be out there, if if his arms, if Harper's
Speaker 3: arms good, like I feel like he got the Tommy
Speaker 3: John surgery to kind of come back and play defense.
Speaker 3: I just don't know when that will be, you know,
Speaker 3: And like if you go to the postseason, don't you
Speaker 3: want Harper out there? I don't know that that's the
Speaker 3: tough one. Are we operating under the assumption that Harper
Speaker 3: plays zero outfield next year?
Speaker 2: I think I am or this year I should say yeah.
Speaker 3: In that case, I'm taking the Angels.
Speaker 2: Okay, but all right, But for.
Speaker 3: What that's sort But I don't think it's like far off.
Speaker 3: And again Schwarber's if Casianos bounces back, then it's a
Speaker 3: really fun one. And the thing that's weird about casianas
Speaker 3: bro is it's not like Philadelphia is is a graveyard
Speaker 3: and we talked about how he really hits well and
Speaker 3: hit well in Cincinnati and the splits and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Philadelphi is a good place to swing. It's a good
Speaker 3: place to hit man, especially for Reguard that goes oppo,
Speaker 3: like Casiana says, so hopefully he bounces back. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I do think that's a fun, interesting debate between those
Speaker 3: two unpredictable outfields.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean you ask what changed for Casianos and
Speaker 2: it was literally just impact of the baseball. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: struck out three percent more of the time, but as
Speaker 2: average Egsavila went down two and a half miles an hour.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 2: That's so weird.
Speaker 3: It was a negative one f war guy last year.
Speaker 2: That's so weird from him. Never expected it. All right,
Speaker 2: I will cook these beauty of recording this podcast before
Speaker 2: the article goes live. Is I can go and change
Speaker 2: the ranking. So I think I will adjust these rankings
Speaker 2: accordingly because you have convinced me. I have learned from
Speaker 2: my co host arm let's go. We can be supportive here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel bad that I said that your James
Speaker 3: Altman pick was stupid. It wasn't stupid.
Speaker 2: It was bold feel bad.
Speaker 3: You know it was bold, stupid was a mean word.
Speaker 2: Oh you say enough mean shit to me that I
Speaker 2: don't feel it anymore. I only feel it occasionally, all right.
Speaker 3: Remember auting me as an abusive co host and Fred.
Speaker 2: Number eight is Saint Louis there started there. They're projected
Speaker 2: starting outfield Lars Newbarn left, Tyler O'Neal, and center Dylan
Speaker 2: Carlson in right. The conversation is between eight and seven,
Speaker 2: we can knock two birds out with one stone. Number
Speaker 2: seven is the Yankees. Aaron Hicks, Harrison Vader, Aaron Judge.
Speaker 2: We had a conversation about this pre record, and do
Speaker 2: you take three good guys or do you take a
Speaker 2: bad guy in average guy and the best hitter in baseball?
Speaker 3: You know what this reminds me of as you just
Speaker 3: framed it like that is like those graphics where it's
Speaker 3: like you have twelve dollars and.
Speaker 2: That's exactly like do you spend five dollars on somebody
Speaker 2: or do you take like the four dollars guy at
Speaker 2: each spot and all of this one?
Speaker 3: This is one honestly, Like what those are you watching
Speaker 3: on YouTube? Like comment below, Like if you're a Cardinals
Speaker 3: or a Yankees fan, like, shut it respectfully. But if
Speaker 3: you're a fan of like the twenty eight other teams,
Speaker 3: I want to hear from you because I'm just I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I had so many Cardinals and Dodge, so many fans
Speaker 3: when I did the top five farm systems for Bleach Report,
Speaker 3: How could you omit this farm system? I'm like, jeez, okay,
Speaker 3: you're an idiot. You're an idiot for not liking my
Speaker 3: favorite team's farm system. I got a lot of Dodgers
Speaker 3: people saying that they're the their system was better than
Speaker 3: the Orioles, which I was like, false. How do you
Speaker 3: justify Orioles over Dodgers was a message I got, and
Speaker 3: I literally just sent a screenshot of their top ten.
Speaker 3: But anyway, sorry, I digress. I want to see in
Speaker 3: the YouTube comments which outfield you would prefer, because it
Speaker 3: is like that budget situation where you have four dollars
Speaker 3: for Judge Harper whoever, and then like one dollar at
Speaker 3: the bottom is like as Waldo Cabrera and all these
Speaker 3: other guys, and then two dollars would be like Dylan Carlson,
Speaker 3: three dollars would be Tyler O'Neal let's say. This is
Speaker 3: where it's hard because you're pretty much locked in for
Speaker 3: an MVP candidate. Now, I think with Aaron Judge every
Speaker 3: single year, I think that's very fair to say. And
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be again one of the best
Speaker 3: buyers in baseball. And I think that's very hard hitting
Speaker 3: analysis here. Harrison Vader was a very important addition to
Speaker 3: the Yankees outfield because he just gives them, assuming he's healthy,
Speaker 3: just a good safe defender that can at least put
Speaker 3: give your league average slightly better offenses and move.
Speaker 2: Judge out of center, and move Judge out to the centerfielder.
Speaker 2: But you don't need him in center.
Speaker 3: You don't need him out there. So I'll be an
Speaker 3: elite right fielder that is really solid. The question is
Speaker 3: Aaron hicksonna play left if Ozwaldo Cabrera is playing left?
Speaker 3: Because I don't want to be like, oh, Hicks is
Speaker 3: going to be a disaster for them. That's not fair
Speaker 3: because if he is a disaster, then they'll put Cabrera
Speaker 3: out there. So operating under that assumption, do you take
Speaker 3: those three or do you take O'Neill Carlson And in
Speaker 3: New bar I think what it boils down to, is
Speaker 3: what do you think we're gonna get from O'Neill and
Speaker 3: Carlson ectrics? We were expecting new Bar to be good.
Speaker 3: Everyone on Earth is expecting New Part.
Speaker 2: To be the most overrated under under.
Speaker 3: Underrated player out. Yes, but like I think we're all
Speaker 3: banking on three and a half f wour at least,
Speaker 3: and I think he's gonna be a really good player.
Speaker 3: Is Carlson gonna gonna be Dylan Carlson? But even if
Speaker 3: he's not, he's still he's still I think matches beater
Speaker 3: at the very least, right, Like, I think, do you
Speaker 3: think that's fair to say he matches beatter at the
Speaker 3: very least? I think he'll be better. There's a reason
Speaker 3: why the Cardinals traded one them. It's not just control.
Speaker 3: Carlson has way more upside.
Speaker 2: I think, yes.
Speaker 3: And then it's just what do you get from Tyler O'Neal,
Speaker 3: who was a five and a half one player but
Speaker 3: also has struggled to stay healthy and is kind of
Speaker 3: a one hit wonder at this point. Yeah, you chose
Speaker 3: the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: I did. Now, if we're looking at an accumulation thing, right, like,
Speaker 2: if we're looking at war accumulation. Judge on his own
Speaker 2: beats two Cardinals, So are you gonna get two anyone?
Speaker 2: He beats two All Stars, right exactly like, are are
Speaker 2: you going to get Baiter and hickslash Cabrera beating out
Speaker 2: Tyler O'Neil. I would say yes, because two is usually
Speaker 2: greater than one, especially when you're talking about guys that
Speaker 2: are fine pieces. You mentioned five point six f four
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty one for O'Neil, he had a one
Speaker 2: forty four WRC plus. He had a one oh one
Speaker 2: WRC plus this past year, but he was a bad defender,
Speaker 2: so he was a one point three win. He was
Speaker 2: hurt too, Yeah, but like one point three in ninety
Speaker 2: six games. He's somewhere in between that, I mean. And
Speaker 2: it's such a shitty cop out thing to say, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you got to ask yourself, is he a three
Speaker 2: win guy? Or is he a four win guy? And
Speaker 2: I personally want him to be a four win guy,
Speaker 2: but I think he's closer to a three win guy.
Speaker 3: He's three and a half, yeah, something like that. And
Speaker 3: I don't think he needs to be playing every single
Speaker 3: day because you want to keep him healthy. Carlson, Now
Speaker 3: we were expecting him to build off of what was
Speaker 3: a really solid, you know, first full season two point
Speaker 3: six four one thirteen WRC plus good defense, eighteen homers.
Speaker 3: He follows that up reportedly banged up last year, so
Speaker 3: give him the benefit of the doubt. There cuts the
Speaker 3: k rate down by five percent, which was a great sign.
Speaker 3: But offense tikes a hit. He was a league average
Speaker 3: one hundred WRC plus two point four four off the
Speaker 3: back of great defense. So if this guy's a little
Speaker 3: bit better offensively, he's a three three and a half
Speaker 3: wind player. Again, I think, if you're who are you
Speaker 3: taking going into next year? And I know, put put
Speaker 3: the our war on Peter Apple aside for a second
Speaker 3: on the Harrison Bader stuff, because.
Speaker 2: No, I'm taking Carlson over Baer. I was about to
Speaker 2: ask you, do you think they made the right decision
Speaker 2: moving Baiter?
Speaker 3: Well, I think the control made it a no brainer, honestly.
Speaker 3: And I love the Beata pickup for the Yankees, And
Speaker 3: I think it's really funny how it's become like because
Speaker 3: we but you and I don't mind Beata. I think
Speaker 3: you and I both think he's a good player. Peter
Speaker 3: Peter really likes him, going into this year, and I
Speaker 3: understand that he showed a lot of good things and
Speaker 3: he's looked good this spring. But it's become kind of
Speaker 3: one of those uh subtle, just Baseball show debates that
Speaker 3: have come up, and I think it's funny, but honestly,
Speaker 3: I really do think if I had to take one,
Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna take Carlson just because I think he
Speaker 3: I think he's a little say but that said, like,
Speaker 3: he was not as good last year overall, so I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be shocked if Beata's better. I think they they
Speaker 3: literally could be a wash, and I think it's safe
Speaker 3: to call them a wash. And if you do that,
Speaker 3: then it's it's Judge versus So how you if you
Speaker 3: call Bater and Carlson a wash, it becomes down to
Speaker 3: Judge versus O'Neill and Noukebar. It's Judge and Hicks slash
Speaker 3: Cabrera against O'Neill and Nukebar. That's it's it's an oversimplification,
Speaker 3: but it's really tough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is really tough. I take Carlson over over
Speaker 2: Batter because Carlson like had a bad year. I think
Speaker 2: everybody would say bad year, right, power went away, but
Speaker 2: he was still a one hundred WRC plus guy. Bater
Speaker 2: was an eighty six WRC plus guy, and yeah he
Speaker 2: was banged up, but that shows you like a bad
Speaker 2: year of Bata is eighty six, A bad year of
Speaker 2: Carlson is one.
Speaker 3: Hundred's one hundred and apparently Carlson was banged up too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So, Uh no, it's an oversimplification, but I
Speaker 2: think you have to take the guy that had eleven
Speaker 2: and a half war last year.
Speaker 3: And you got to also consider what the Cardinals. Brendan
Speaker 3: Donovan can go out there. We're talking about depth. I
Speaker 3: think that's what puts the Cardinals over the top, because
Speaker 3: God forbid somebody gets hurt, you know, God forbid judge
Speaker 3: missus time like that. Yankees outfield isn't fucked. If O'Neill
Speaker 3: or new Bar whoever goes down like Yepez can go
Speaker 3: out there, They've.
Speaker 2: Got maybe Walker's opportunity.
Speaker 3: Walker could go out there, Burleson can go out there
Speaker 3: like that. And these aren't just like Plug and Prey,
Speaker 3: like all of those guys are our potential, you know,
Speaker 3: fringe all stars at least not Burls. I think Burroson
Speaker 3: is above average bat but I mean, Yepez could swing
Speaker 3: it well enough to be an All Star one here
Speaker 3: or too. Like we know what Jordan Walker can be.
Speaker 3: Brendan Donovan is just a really good utility guy. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I side with you with the depth. I think it
Speaker 3: puts him over the top. I'll go Cardinals. Wow, so
Speaker 3: you do go Cardinals the depth, just kind of thinking
Speaker 3: about it from that perspective, because you know, I think
Speaker 3: the Yankees are already using their depth and left, assuming
Speaker 3: that Hicks is gonna stink, because I think he's gonna
Speaker 3: They've just got way more options. I mean, I would
Speaker 3: I would argue that Burleson. I would want to start
Speaker 3: Burrows in day one if I were the Yankees. Let's
Speaker 3: say the Yankees acquired Burleson, I'd say, bench checks and
Speaker 3: start Burleson. Correct, And that's a guy that's that's legitimately
Speaker 3: stashed on the bench right now.
Speaker 2: For that about Yepez too, right like, yeah.
Speaker 3: As I'd say start him and left right away. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So these are all guys that I would start in
Speaker 3: the Yankees outfield that are on the bench. Brandon Donovan,
Speaker 3: I would say start him right away. I think he's
Speaker 3: better than obviously better than Aswalda. Caberry's a better version
Speaker 3: of him. So all of these guys, I would say
Speaker 3: I would start in left field for the Yankees, and
Speaker 3: they're not starting in the outfield for the Cardinals because
Speaker 3: there's a better option. So that kind of tells you,
Speaker 3: I think, how they line up.
Speaker 2: So do you do you consider Donovan a breakout candidate
Speaker 2: or would you consider last year his breakout?
Speaker 3: Last year was his breakout. I think that's what he is.
Speaker 2: I think he solidifies himself as more valuable than Carlson,
Speaker 2: O'Neill and Bar this year. That's my hot take. I
Speaker 2: think that that's a hot take. Yeah, I know we
Speaker 2: posed it. It was just like stream of consciousness questions earlier.
Speaker 2: I think it was in December when when I posed
Speaker 2: a bunch of questions and I said, ranked these guys
Speaker 2: by value, and it was Gorman, Donovan, Carlson O'Neill, and Neotbar.
Speaker 2: I think I had Donovan two or three. My take
Speaker 2: now is I think Donovan's a clear cut one over
Speaker 2: all these guys.
Speaker 3: Wow, all right, I got no issue with that. I
Speaker 3: think that's that's hot. It's hot. Though that's hot, it's hot.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you need to come out with a hot take,
Speaker 2: and I just came.
Speaker 3: Out with a hot takes.
Speaker 2: Hot thanks man, all right. Number six the Mets, Mark Kenna,
Speaker 2: Brandon Nimo, Starling Marte projected as the opening day outfield
Speaker 2: guys waiting in the wings. Baby may hop out into
Speaker 2: a corner, right. I There are some serious options for
Speaker 2: the Mets here, and I think what puts them over
Speaker 2: the Yankee cardinal grouping is Nimo is a five and
Speaker 2: a half win player, and when he's on the field
Speaker 2: for a full season, he is five to five and
Speaker 2: a half wins. Mark Canna is a very underrated piece
Speaker 2: to that Mets team. He's always gonna get on base,
Speaker 2: He's always going to provide decent defense. He's always going
Speaker 2: to put up you know, a w RC plus probably
Speaker 2: overall hundred. And then Starling Marte is Starling Marte.
Speaker 3: My only things I'm worried about Marte. I really am
Speaker 3: he double groin surgery like that, that's nuts. I don't
Speaker 3: even know that. I've never heard of that. Like and
Speaker 3: then a guy that's built on speed, oblique and double
Speaker 3: groin that said like he's Starling Marte, He's he's he's
Speaker 3: a honest too, like I'm going to bank on him
Speaker 3: being he's still pretty good even if if if the
Speaker 3: you know, the speed isn't there and we can't again
Speaker 3: we can't project injuries, so we don't go there. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, back to back three win seasons from Mark Canna,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, that's that's what you can pretty
Speaker 3: much lock in from him. A one twenty eight WRC
Speaker 3: plus last season was just great. What we saw from
Speaker 3: Brandon Nemo spectacular. There's definitely a lot of risk here
Speaker 3: of regression because of Marte, yeah, and his injury stuff
Speaker 3: this offseason in last year, Cana turning thirty four and
Speaker 3: Nemo just coming off a career year. But just based
Speaker 3: on what we got last year and what we have
Speaker 3: to assume that they you know, they can do going
Speaker 3: into next year, this has to be an outfield that's
Speaker 3: ahead of the ones we just talked about.
Speaker 2: Since twenty eighteen WRC plus from Mark Canna by year
Speaker 2: one fifteen, one forty six in one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: six games in twenty nineteen, one twenty nine. In twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: he played fifty nine games, played one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: one games. In twenty one. He had a one to seventeen,
Speaker 2: and you mentioned the one twenty eight and one hundred
Speaker 2: and forty games this past year. He's got a career
Speaker 2: WRC plus at one eighteen and that's some bad years
Speaker 2: to open his career.
Speaker 3: He was a real spot.
Speaker 2: This guy's a sneaky, awesome hitter.
Speaker 3: One of the most underrated players in baseball. Rule five
Speaker 3: draft pick out of the out of the Florida Marlins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the side burns. You think he's underrated, like he's
Speaker 2: he's almost frowned upon because he still has sideburns.
Speaker 3: I think that did cost him a little bit on
Speaker 3: the contract, right, two years twenty six and a half
Speaker 3: would have been two years forty. I think if he
Speaker 3: didn't have the sideburns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, you got to figure those things out. Man.
Speaker 2: All Right, Number five.
Speaker 3: Seattle my players too much, I think, if we're gonna
Speaker 3: be honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these guys are human beings, man, Yeah, They're not
Speaker 2: just pieces of hair. Seattle starting projected outfield Jared Kelnick,
Speaker 2: Julio Rodriguez, Tioscar Hernandez. I love the Oscar makes him
Speaker 2: a top five outfield.
Speaker 3: I love the order that you just went in there.
Speaker 2: Yes, uh, miserable maybe a quadruple ele guy will see Yeah,
Speaker 2: perennial MVP candidate for the next fifteen years, Taioscar Hernandez.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. Te Oscar was everything they needed, right,
Speaker 3: everything they needed. I'm excited to see what ta Oscar
Speaker 3: does in this line. We just talked about him. But
Speaker 3: Kelnick is the X factor here we are again. We
Speaker 3: said it last year, We'll say it again this year.
Speaker 3: Kalnick's to the X factor. He looks good in spring training,
Speaker 3: for whatever that's worth. What I will say is he
Speaker 3: is going the other way. He is putting better swings
Speaker 3: on left on left, which is encouraging. And this guy's
Speaker 3: twenty three. So while we feel like we've been hearing
Speaker 3: about him forever, he is twenty three. AJ Pollock to Hedge,
Speaker 3: that is huge, huge, huge, huge, So Aj Pollock being
Speaker 3: in the mix here as well. He can still play
Speaker 3: a good outfield, right, I mean, this is a guy
Speaker 3: that can still play a good left field if you
Speaker 3: need him to. I feel good about having him in
Speaker 3: the equation to take a lot of that pressure off
Speaker 3: of Kellnick. If he doesn't pan out, this is still
Speaker 3: a good outfield. And then you got you know, utility
Speaker 3: guy like Dylan Moore. You know Sam Haggerty involved in
Speaker 3: there too. It's a good outfield. It's led by like
Speaker 3: you said, perennial MVP candidate. If Julio can continue to
Speaker 3: make that leap and t Oscar hits the ship out
Speaker 3: of the ball, it's it's a good, good outfield. That
Speaker 3: could be great if Kelnick makes the leap. If he
Speaker 3: if he doesn't, A j. Pollock is still a good
Speaker 3: enough third option in that outfield.
Speaker 2: First game out of the All Star Break, who is
Speaker 2: the starting left fielder?
Speaker 3: God, ain't that the question is a lefty pitching. I
Speaker 3: think I think Kelnick swings it well enough to be
Speaker 3: a platoon guy. I think so. I'm gonna say it's
Speaker 3: alrighty And I think I think he plays. I can
Speaker 3: he hits the ball too hard, He's too talented.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I think Kelnick's gonna be I don't know. I don't
Speaker 3: think he's gonna be, you know, the guy, the perennial
Speaker 3: All Star that we thought, But I think he could
Speaker 3: be a productive power bat in a corner. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say Kelnick. I'm gonna say Knick's first first
Speaker 3: game out of the All Star break. He's the outfielder.
Speaker 2: So they also have Cooper Hummel kind of waiting is
Speaker 2: like the second or third. Hummell can play some outfield.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of options to platoon with Kelnick. Right,
Speaker 2: you can go with Dylan Moore, you can go with Haggerty,
Speaker 2: or you can go with Cooper Hummel.
Speaker 3: And Pollock and Pollock. Yeah right, I think Pollock's the
Speaker 3: lefty masher that would be That would be that option.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that makes sense. All right. Four, Dalton varshow
Speaker 2: Kevin kier Meyer, and George Springer is the projected starting
Speaker 2: outfield in Toronto. Nasty kier Meyer is not going to
Speaker 2: give you much offensively, but he's going to give you
Speaker 2: a Gold Glove caliber center field production. George Springer in
Speaker 2: a corner is an All Star. And Dalton varshow is.
Speaker 2: We know Dalton varshow Man he was putting up Gold
Speaker 2: Glove numbers in center and he's a catcher.
Speaker 3: Yep, and I think he will be even he could
Speaker 3: be one of the best defenders in baseball and left field,
Speaker 3: like legitimately that good. So if you have that outfield
Speaker 3: right there defensively alone, that could be the best defensive
Speaker 3: outfield in baseball. It could be very well up there.
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, Springer can hit to a
Speaker 2: nine hundred OPS and varshow is a seven fifty to
Speaker 2: eight hundred OPS guy at least.
Speaker 3: And and oh, by the way, all of them can
Speaker 3: steal bags. You know, they're even a slowed down kier
Speaker 3: Meyer is still going to steal ten to fifteen bags.
Speaker 3: There's just a lot more there. I think Kevin Bigio
Speaker 3: has been getting some work in the outfield too, which
Speaker 3: is just another nice power left handed option there. And
Speaker 3: then what Merrifield can can slide out there if you
Speaker 3: need him to. This is an outfield that's deep, that's
Speaker 3: really good defensively and really good offensively. And they were
Speaker 3: they were able to give up offense for defense with
Speaker 3: ker Meyer because he's gonna be your nine hitter if
Speaker 3: he's playing center field the way we think he can.
Speaker 3: He's not even thirty three yet, so I think it
Speaker 3: was really injuries. I don't think he's slowing down that much.
Speaker 3: This is a really, really good outfield. It could be
Speaker 3: one of the best in baseball if Springer is playing
Speaker 3: to his ability, and if Barshall like Varshall could be better.
Speaker 3: You said he's seven to fifty seven to eighty guy,
Speaker 3: I agree, Like that's the baseline. Why can't this twenty
Speaker 3: six year old take another leap offensively? You know, maybe
Speaker 3: he does so.
Speaker 2: Varshow last year one hundred and fifty one games had
Speaker 2: a seven forty five ops. But the counting numbers were
Speaker 2: good for him. Twenty seven homers, seventy four driven in.
Speaker 2: He was sixteen for twenty two in the stolen based apartment.
Speaker 2: If he gives you identically that and gold glove caliber
Speaker 2: left field defense, you're thrilled with that trade.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what they traded for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, all right. Number three the Atlanta Braves Eddie Rosario,
Speaker 2: Michael Harris, Ronald Acuna Junior. You like that order too, Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Love that order.
Speaker 2: I'm going left field or right field. I'm going left,
Speaker 2: center right Eddie Rosario. Obviously as flashes in the pan
Speaker 2: of being like, oh my gosh, this is the NLCS
Speaker 2: MVP Eddi Rassario, But for the most part he's Eddi Rossario, Like,
Speaker 2: is there a better option out there? Michael Harris? Is
Speaker 2: what I think we had? A bit? Three in the
Speaker 2: center field rankings Trout one, Julio two, Harris three, and
Speaker 2: then Akunya. If Akunya is healthy again, he's a He's
Speaker 2: a top MVV two talent and baseball yeah, MVP candidate
Speaker 2: forty forty threat. Like if anybody's gonna go fifty to fifty,
Speaker 2: it's Tatisa Racunya. So this outfield, if everything's perfect, could
Speaker 2: be the best outfield in the game, even if Akunya
Speaker 2: is not one hundred percent right, even if Harris hits
Speaker 2: two ninety instead of three hundred, and even if Rasario stinks,
Speaker 2: it's probably still top five.
Speaker 3: Can Travis Darnault play left I.
Speaker 2: Hope that William Cantrara has played.
Speaker 3: If they're Billy bombs out there like that is, I
Speaker 3: don't know why these teams hate left field. We're looking
Speaker 3: at like a lot of these teams are just ignoring
Speaker 3: left field. Look if Rosario and I know he was
Speaker 3: dealing with like I issues and other injuries, I'm just
Speaker 3: like a lot of different things last year. If Rosario
Speaker 3: can be a league average hitter man, then this outfield
Speaker 3: will be a problem. And I think it's easy to forget.
Speaker 3: Like Brazzario in twenty eighteen was a four win guy
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen. His defense stunk, but he hit thirty
Speaker 3: two pomps and drove in one hundred and nine. We
Speaker 3: saw the magic that he was able to produce in
Speaker 3: that World Series. Rung like, if he can just be
Speaker 3: a league average bat with what you're gonna get from
Speaker 3: Michael Harris defensively and offensively, and then Ronald Occonie, like
Speaker 3: you mentioned that outfield is a problem, but man, I
Speaker 3: just I would love a better option in left field.
Speaker 3: I really would.
Speaker 2: So I'm scanning for options on the roster. Orlando Arcia
Speaker 2: played six games and left. It's probably not a big upgrade.
Speaker 2: Sam Hilliard can play left. It depends how you view upgrade.
Speaker 2: Because Hilliard has a bit more powered, a bit more speed.
Speaker 2: The problem is he can't make contact with the ball sometimes.
Speaker 2: Jordan Luplow is probably not an upgrade.
Speaker 3: He is against the left eas and that's the thing.
Speaker 3: Is like, Okay, if you get a one five WRC
Speaker 3: plus from Rosario just against righty's, which I think is
Speaker 3: a very fair bar, and then you get a one
Speaker 3: fifteen WRC plus from loop Low against lefties, which is
Speaker 3: pretty much what he has been at the minimum for
Speaker 3: his entire career. Then you're you've combined an above average
Speaker 3: platoon and left.
Speaker 2: Field, and they're looking at that as the comp.
Speaker 3: That's all they need, that's all they need, because we
Speaker 3: just talked about center, like that's that's all they need.
Speaker 3: So that's why I like the Looplo pick up for
Speaker 3: them and hopefully, hopefully that's what they'll they'll be able
Speaker 3: to get out of left field.
Speaker 2: Arguably the best Gwinnette striper of all time this year,
Speaker 2: I'm calling it Kevin Polar serving as the understudy to
Speaker 2: Michael Harris. So if Harris is dealing with like banged up,
Speaker 2: soreness or anything, just Polar comes up, plays some center
Speaker 2: and then goes right back down.
Speaker 3: I love it. By the way, Pilar is just always
Speaker 3: going to hang around, I think forever. Yeah, man, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, if you can catch balls, you can do it.
Speaker 3: Looplow one twenty five WRC plus in his career against
Speaker 3: left et seventy six WRC plus in his career against
Speaker 3: Righty's got you.
Speaker 2: There. We go Platoon number two, the Houston Astros. We're
Speaker 2: saying Houston here because your don is projected in the
Speaker 2: opening day outfield. They bring Michael Brantley back. They probably
Speaker 2: feel better about your Don in the outfield than they
Speaker 2: do Brandley. So it's you are Don Alvarez in left,
Speaker 2: Chas McCormick and center Kyle Tucker and right. Chaz has
Speaker 2: proven to be an above average center fielder for the
Speaker 2: Houston Astros. He's a one to fifteen WRC plus guy sneaky,
Speaker 2: and then you are Don's you were Don, and Kyle
Speaker 2: Tucker is a two hundred million dollar outfielder.
Speaker 3: I think Chas McCormick's one of the most underrated players
Speaker 3: in baseball right now. And I don't mean that in
Speaker 3: a way of like he's a star, like no, but
Speaker 3: just like he is really good. He's not an after
Speaker 3: really solid. It's a really solid player. He's he's played
Speaker 3: two big league seasons, and he is in his two
Speaker 3: big league seasons thus far, a one to eleven WRC
Speaker 3: plus back to back seasons of two win production. And
Speaker 3: even more important, he's gotten better offensively like we saw
Speaker 3: him last year. Year. The slug went down a little bit,
Speaker 3: but he still matched his home run total, he matched
Speaker 3: his run total, he basically matched every counting stat, upped
Speaker 3: his walk rate, lowered his k rate. Again, I think
Speaker 3: this guy can take another step this year. He's a
Speaker 3: great defender. It's all that the Astros need in center field.
Speaker 3: And yeah, Jordon in a corner, but even if it
Speaker 3: was Brandly in a corner like that's still a really
Speaker 3: good outfield. Probably not number two, but it's still a
Speaker 3: really good outfield. And then Jake Myers is like your
Speaker 3: fourth outfield option. He was really good before, you know,
Speaker 3: getting hurt in the postseason, just hasn't been able to
Speaker 3: totally get back. And then it's you know, kind of
Speaker 3: fighting for opportunities now because of McCormick's you know what
Speaker 3: he's done. But I think if Jordan is even playing
Speaker 3: in left field, by the way, in Houston has got
Speaker 3: to be one of the easiest left fields to play.
Speaker 3: They're gonna tell.
Speaker 2: Them those Crawford boxes. He can take a weird bounce
Speaker 2: off those things.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but the move put his back against put
Speaker 3: your back against the Crawford boxes, and just come in.
Speaker 3: That's all he has to do. And if it's to
Speaker 3: to his left of the Crawford boxes, they'll say, that's
Speaker 3: Chaz's territory. Don't cross that line. It's hot lava for
Speaker 3: your not And I think that's basically what it's gonna be.
Speaker 3: So like, that's a really good outfield production wise, And
Speaker 3: I still am still waiting on the Kyle Tucker MVP season.
Speaker 3: I still believe it can come, and if it comes,
Speaker 3: that might be the best outfield in baseball.
Speaker 2: So how do you feel? I know, Hensley is an
Speaker 2: infielder for the most part, but he's like played left sporadically.
Speaker 2: He did get a start in left field last year.
Speaker 2: Could Hensley like play the outfield if need be?
Speaker 3: I think he can a little bit. I know he
Speaker 3: did it in triple and he's just like one of
Speaker 3: those guys that's not going to be great anywhere, but
Speaker 3: he's like kind of good enough everywhere, sneaky athlete. He
Speaker 3: can swing it too, Like his numbers in the minors
Speaker 3: then his numbers in the big leagues and that short
Speaker 3: stint really good. He can play out there. I think
Speaker 3: he can get.
Speaker 2: By yeah, one hundred percent. There aren't very many backup options. Listen,
Speaker 2: if Jose Siri was the starting center fielder.
Speaker 3: Oh Man MVP over the field over.
Speaker 2: The top of Alvarez, Siri and Kyle Tucker, all right,
Speaker 2: but the best outfield in baseball going into the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three season. Is San Diego the Padres. I'm counting
Speaker 2: Tatis right now because he's only gonna miss three weeks.
Speaker 2: Opening Day, it's probably gonna be Matt Carpenter out there
Speaker 2: in left, and you got Soto and right and Grisham
Speaker 2: and center. Who knows what Carpenter is going to be
Speaker 2: this year. Obviously he was Babe Ruth for the Yankees
Speaker 2: last year. But once Tatis comes back, it's Soto, Grisham
Speaker 2: and Tatis in the outfield, two top five top ten
Speaker 2: players in the game, and a Gold Glover in centerfield.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, that's the thing, is like, even if
Speaker 3: Grisham can't hit, he's gonna defend and he's gonna run
Speaker 3: into a few. The thing that makes me feel a
Speaker 3: little bit better about Grisham too, is I I actually
Speaker 3: believe in Jose Zokar, Like I think Azocar is not bad.
Speaker 3: I think he's a really decent fourth outfielder. And if
Speaker 3: if Grisham's really really stinking it up, you could plug
Speaker 3: a Zocar out there and I think he'd be fine.
Speaker 3: Like he was good in TRIPLEA, he's been good in
Speaker 3: the minors and his numbers last year were not terrible.
Speaker 3: He was a solid defender, and I think he can
Speaker 3: keep getting better. That was his first taste of the
Speaker 3: big leagues last year in sporadic playing time, and he
Speaker 3: held his own. So I like Azocar as a backup option.
Speaker 3: I think there's a reason why they've kind of held
Speaker 3: onto him, and I think they like him as an
Speaker 3: option there. But the offensive potential of a Tatis, you know,
Speaker 3: especially combined out there with what they're going to get
Speaker 3: from Sodo, that woul could be the best outfield duo
Speaker 3: production wise in Major League Baseball, right, I mean, like,
Speaker 3: is there gonna be anything like that?
Speaker 2: We've got two guys that, like if they achieve ninetieth
Speaker 2: percentile outcome for them is what seven wins each? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you've got two seven win players and I.
Speaker 3: Think ninety percentile outcome. They're combining for close to eighty
Speaker 3: home runs.
Speaker 2: Eighty homers, they're combining for two hundred RBIs. Tatis may
Speaker 2: steal forty bags in his own right, And what is.
Speaker 3: Matt Carpenter going to give them? Like, I don't know
Speaker 3: how much he's going to be playing the outfield, but like,
Speaker 3: if he's filling in in spots and playing like this
Speaker 3: guy really raked last year. I'm really interested to see
Speaker 3: what they get from him. Matt Carpenter is a guy
Speaker 3: that was one of the best hitters in the game
Speaker 3: for a span of several years when he was in
Speaker 3: Saint Louis. Another guy that like, yeah he's older, but
Speaker 3: wasn't like forty and made a swing adjustment and found
Speaker 3: something last year. I'm really interested to see what they
Speaker 3: get from him. I know it's not Yankee Stadium that
Speaker 3: he's sitting in, but I think this is a guy
Speaker 3: that can contribute for them too. I just like all
Speaker 3: of the other options that they have there too, to
Speaker 3: kind of mix and match. But the big question is
Speaker 3: is what are you getting from Trent Grisham And.
Speaker 2: Can I say I buy the Grisham bounce back?
Speaker 3: Like I buy what does a Grisham bunce back look like?
Speaker 2: So he's a career seven eleven ops guy after a
Speaker 2: six twenty six ops Last year he had seventeen homers,
Speaker 2: which was a career high, but that's because he played
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty two games and his next high
Speaker 2: was twenty games fewer than that in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Eight h eight ops in twenty twenty seven, forty ops
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, six twenty six in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: If he's seven forty, this is far and away the
Speaker 2: best outfield in the game. And I'm I'm sold on
Speaker 2: Grisham being my everyday center fielder. If he is seven
Speaker 2: to eleven, if he's career average, I still feel okay
Speaker 2: considering that he's got two goal gloves under his belt.
Speaker 3: Dude, if he's seven eleven, that he that's great because
Speaker 3: he what was he six twenty six last year? He
Speaker 3: said six twenty six still matched his f WUR total
Speaker 3: from last year.
Speaker 2: He's so good defensively, and then.
Speaker 3: In the in the shortened twenty twenty season, he was
Speaker 3: on pace for a six win season almost. So, like,
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think he's gonna do that, obvious,
Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonn the way he hit in
Speaker 3: that hot streak there. But if he gives you a
Speaker 3: hot streak and then finishes the year, you know, right
Speaker 3: around to seven to eleven, seven thirty. If he gets
Speaker 3: up to seven thirty, he's a three to win player,
Speaker 3: maybe above that, maybe coas to three and a half.
Speaker 3: So if That's what you're getting is the compliment to
Speaker 3: what could be the best power hitting corner outfield duo
Speaker 3: and baseball. You're in business. That's the best outfield in baseball.
Speaker 3: That's simple.
Speaker 2: And if anybody is going to challenge Michael Harris for
Speaker 2: the Gold Glove, that isn't Jazz Chisholm. It's going to
Speaker 2: be Trent grisha.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a challenge in terms of in their own right,
Speaker 3: in their mind or like actually challenge.
Speaker 2: Well, Jazz told us that he was going to go
Speaker 2: win a gold Glove. So if Jazz doesn't win it,
Speaker 2: the only guy that holds a candle to Trent Earth,
Speaker 2: the only guy that holds a candle to Michael Harris
Speaker 2: is Trent Grisham.
Speaker 3: Thirteen outs above average.
Speaker 2: Lush Yeah, man, I mean crazy.
Speaker 3: And that's that was while sucking at the plate. So
Speaker 3: I love that he can flush that and you know,
Speaker 3: not trickle out into the field. It was the best
Speaker 3: defensive outfield season of his career. So if he can
Speaker 3: just get even slightly back closer to his league average
Speaker 3: or to his career average, excuse me, even if he's
Speaker 3: a six to seventy five OPS guy, he's probably closer
Speaker 3: to a three win season. Three wins from your center fielder,
Speaker 3: when you could get seven each from your two corner guys,
Speaker 3: you're in business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, after some debriefing, our three honorable mentions Arizona,
Speaker 2: the White Sox, and the Dodgers. Philly is ten, the
Speaker 2: Angels are nine, the Yankees are eight, Cardinals seven met six, Mariners,
Speaker 2: five Blue Jays, four Braves, three Astros two, and the
Speaker 2: Padres are the best team outfield in baseball. You got
Speaker 2: anything else? Because I want to rap with something.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think. I don't think I got anything else?
Speaker 3: What you got? So?
Speaker 2: Dave Wills was the radio voice of the Rays for
Speaker 2: the last decade and a half, and he unexpectedly passed
Speaker 2: at fifty eight years old. And something that I have
Speaker 2: done over the last however many years, five six, seven
Speaker 2: years is listen to pretty much every broadcaster in baseball,
Speaker 2: listen to every TV broadcaster, listened to every radio broadcaster
Speaker 2: in baseball. And there was no broadcast that I enjoyed
Speaker 2: listening to more than Tampa Bay Ray's radio Baues. And
Speaker 2: I listened to way more Tampa radio than you would
Speaker 2: ever expect. And Dave Wills was previously a White Sox
Speaker 2: pre and postgame host. I wasn't you know, an active
Speaker 2: White Sox fan when that happened. He's been in Tampa
Speaker 2: for the last i want to say, eighteen years with
Speaker 2: Andy Freed, though. That duo is and was incredible, and
Speaker 2: my heart goes out to Andy Freed. And Dave Wills
Speaker 2: was no offense to Andy, but my favorite listen of
Speaker 2: baseball radio broadcasters because he was funny as fuck. He
Speaker 2: was so funny. He was like, I mean, if anybody
Speaker 2: was going to talk about cold ones well broadcasting an
Speaker 2: MLB game, it was Dave Wills. So so so thankful
Speaker 2: that in the years that I have learned to love
Speaker 2: baseball on the radio and call baseball in the radio,
Speaker 2: I could turn on Tampa Bay Rays broadcast and listen
Speaker 2: to Dave Wills and that's that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's wild. I actually just saw that before
Speaker 3: we recorded, and I was going to ask you because
Speaker 3: I didn't know if he was still active. I'm not,
Speaker 3: I'm not that briefed on all of the radio broadcasters,
Speaker 3: but I saw a lot outpouring and man, I'm I
Speaker 3: thought you encapsulated that beautifully. And I'm going to go
Speaker 3: back and listen to some stuff, because when whenever you
Speaker 3: say somebody can can broadcast, they can really freaking broadcast.
Speaker 3: So it's just it just sucks. Like fifty eight is
Speaker 3: so young, but got to live out the dream and
Speaker 3: and got to be where we all kind of hoped to.
Speaker 2: Be, so and he was so good.
Speaker 3: He loved it. It sounds like I loved it.
Speaker 2: He loved it, and like he was so technically good
Speaker 2: at play by play. When you can be so technically
Speaker 2: good and be fun ear than hell, that's the goods man.
Speaker 3: What's what you're trying to do. That's what you're trying
Speaker 3: to do right now, right like you're getting that.
Speaker 2: I hope, so I hope to be ten percent of
Speaker 2: the broadcaster that Dave Wills was because that guy was awesome.
Speaker 2: So that's it for us. Every link and need in
Speaker 2: the show notes, Peter and I will give you a
Speaker 2: World Baseball Classic preview tomorrow. Thanks guys,