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Speaker 1: Welcome in Thursday edition. Clay Short Wednesday, dang it, dang it,

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Speaker 1: way right off the top, right off the top. I

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Speaker 1: a dinner with Julie Talbot, our boss, and I was thinking, oh, no,

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Speaker 1: what day is it? Want a rough start for me?

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Speaker 1: Right off the times Wednesday. It's Wednesday. For anybody out

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Speaker 1: make it a little bit easier. Celebrating his dad's birthday. Congratulations,

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Speaker 1: Happy birthday early to mister Seconman. And you see some

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Speaker 1: photos posted, you'll see that, yes, the hair is genetic.

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Speaker 1: He's got a right out of hair for seventy eight.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say, as I said that, Am

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Speaker 1: I going to go oh for two? Right off the top?

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Speaker 1: Is this a big surprise birthday celebration? And I was

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Speaker 1: going to get the day wrong and blow the surprise

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Speaker 1: all within the space of a minute. But I do

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Speaker 1: not think that I managed to do that. Nope, getting

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Speaker 1: a top all right, well done, sir. We got a

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Speaker 1: big show to do. We've got a big show where

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Speaker 1: two radio professionals with a fantastic show to do, Clay,

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Speaker 1: and it's possible I'll even know what day it is

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Speaker 1: by the time we finish. All Right, bunch of things

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Speaker 1: to get into here. Russia Gate has exploded. More of

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Speaker 1: the internal documents released by D and I Tulci Gabbard.

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Speaker 1: We will discuss what we think is happening there. Tons

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Speaker 1: It does not appear, unfortunately, we'll get into this a

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Speaker 1: exactly what went on there. As part of his plea deal,

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Speaker 1: to be any requirement that he address the families and

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Speaker 1: It's an awful story. We've talked about it some over

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Speaker 1: the past several years. The victim impact statements currently underway

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Speaker 1: live on television being covered on Fox News and other networks.

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Speaker 1: So we will talk some about that case. Our friend

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Speaker 1: Sonny hostin at the View says that Stephen Colbert threat

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Speaker 1: being fired threatens the constitution. We will likely have some

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Speaker 1: fun with the dumbest show on television. Can we producer rally?

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Speaker 1: You know, we don't ever pitch ourselves for shows because

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Speaker 1: you know, people ask us, because that's nice. Just reach

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Speaker 1: out to whatever contact you can find in the view

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Speaker 1: and say that Clay and Buck would love to come

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Speaker 1: hang with the ladies one day. We got we gotta

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Speaker 1: offer this up. We got to offer this up. I

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Speaker 1: would enjoy the fireworks that would ensue, especially because they

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Speaker 1: have a live studio audience. But we start off with

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Speaker 1: the continuing fallout. Obama issued a statement yesterday evening saying

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what Trump is talking about. Basically,

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Speaker 1: I haven't done anything wrong, and I do think that

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Speaker 1: we talked about this yesterday, and I am open to

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Speaker 1: being told that I am wrong, as I always am.

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Speaker 1: I've been married for twenty years eight hundred and two

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Speaker 1: I believe that the twenty sixteen Russia collusion UH lies

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Speaker 1: media took it and ran with it, hook line and sinker,

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Speaker 1: and in that mind, let me play this flashback just

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Speaker 1: to take you back for those of you who have

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Speaker 1: forgotten to what twenty seventeen television news sounded like. This

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Speaker 1: is cut for Russia hacking the election to elect Trump?

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Speaker 1: What is the end of our democracy?

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Speaker 2: Votes were definitely affected, But you're Russia hacked the election

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Speaker 2: to tilted to mister Trump.

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Speaker 1: The Russians definitively hacked the election. Russia did hack the election,

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Speaker 1: no doubt. The Russians hacked the election.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Russia hacked the election.

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Speaker 1: Backed Russia hacked the election.

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Speaker 2: President elect Donald Trump still not sounding convinced that Russia

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Speaker 1: This dossier alleged a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and

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Speaker 1: the Russian effort to hack the election. The Director of

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Speaker 2: The FBI, the CIA, NSA, the former Director of National Intelligence,

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Speaker 2: James Clapperman. They've all said this. So to believe that

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Speaker 1: Okay, So they said that they hacked the election, they intentionally,

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Speaker 1: They hacked Hillary Clinton's cell phone. That doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: that there are going to be major consequences. Now, what

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Speaker 1: is it, nine years after much of this happened, eight

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Speaker 1: you would you agree with that in general? That I

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Speaker 1: what I keep coming to. And I've said deprivation of rights,

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Speaker 1: We have all these different trip wires, so to speak,

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Speaker 1: But I'm pretty good at seeing where this stuff is going.

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Speaker 1: So yes, Clay, you and I are an agreement that it

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Speaker 1: say it. That doesn't mean we shouldn't know it, though.

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Speaker 1: There's the political cal and that's the other part of this.

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Speaker 1: look at how dishonest these Democrats really were on Russia collusion.

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Speaker 1: Part of the problem, Clay, I think is for people

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Speaker 1: To me, we're basically writing a history book so that

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Speaker 1: You've worked in intelligence a long time. Obama is now

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Speaker 1: not using the word hacked. They're using the word manipulate.

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Speaker 1: How many elections in the lives of everybody out there

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Speaker 1: listening right now, do you think Russia or the Soviet Union,

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Speaker 1: My argument, I want to hear your art. My argument

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Speaker 1: the idea that they tried to turn this into an

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Speaker 1: First of all, the Soviet Union was running communist spies

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Speaker 1: actually really good on anti communism because there were absolutely

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Speaker 1: high level Communist penetrations in the United States government. And

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Speaker 1: But the record is quite clear. The Venona Project is

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Speaker 1: Witnessed by Whittaker Chambers, a book that far more people

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Speaker 1: all this out there, Clay, because yeah, of course there's

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Speaker 1: what happens all the time. So the idea that Russia

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Speaker 1: Facebook is completely insane. But as I've said, it really

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: So if I tell somebody, you know, Clay, if I

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Speaker 1: tell somebody that I've hoard a glass of boiling water

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Speaker 1: And that's essentially what they did with these Facebook ads

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Speaker 1: it would be like saying, Clay Clay, have you ever jaywalked?

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Speaker 1: about analysis that is meaningful, it's generally analysis of what

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Speaker 1: big disagreements about that. So I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people presume that there is one understood story that I

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Speaker 1: think what you have to contemplate is that there are

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Speaker 1: potentially ten different arguments being made about what might have occurred.

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Speaker 1: Just use what happened with Iran. We just had the

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Speaker 1: bombing of the nuclear sites in Iran. Different agencies have

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Speaker 1: different interpretations based on the data of what might happen,

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Speaker 1: and inside of those agencies there's probably a divergence of opinion.

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Speaker 1: My point on all that is Obama is going to

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Speaker 1: be I believe clearly within his presidential powers have believed

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Speaker 1: that Russia hacked or manipulated the election in favor of Trump,

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Speaker 1: because there are enough signposts that he can point to

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Speaker 1: information and tell me what they think, and we took

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Speaker 1: this interpretation. I think it's gonna be very hard to

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Speaker 1: charge him. There may be some feeling of the process

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Speaker 1: is the punishment goes both ways. Perhaps because Democrats do this,

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Speaker 1: judges do this to stop Trump. They know they're not

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Speaker 1: going to get their way, and they know what they're

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Speaker 1: doing is wrong, but they do it anyway. There may

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Speaker 1: be a little bit of that mentality behind bringing a

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Speaker 1: charge of some kind against a federal indictment against some

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Speaker 1: of the individuals from Russia collusion. That is possible to

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Speaker 1: me that that may happen in an effort to get justice,

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Speaker 1: But I just think that it would come apart within

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Speaker 1: the system at some level. That's where I'm just very

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Speaker 1: confident you're not going to get a full conviction of

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Speaker 1: anybody involved in Russia collusion that is currently being talked

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Speaker 1: about has seen because of things like the statute limitations,

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Speaker 1: because of the statutory definitions involved. I don't and because

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Speaker 1: of the DC jury pool slash DC judges that would

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Speaker 1: oversee this. I think it's really hard, but maybe they

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Speaker 1: try it anyway, and maybe that's really what there is

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Speaker 1: a push for. Right now, we're gonna I know, we're

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Speaker 1: getting a lot of emails and calls. People are angry.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean. I'm not saying they should get

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Speaker 1: away with it. I'm just saying I think, unfortunately, they're

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Speaker 1: likely to continue to get away with it. But I

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Speaker 1: could be wrong. I think you have to analyze it

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Speaker 1: legally and rationally, and as we told you would likely

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Speaker 1: be the case. What do we tell you, Hey, the

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Speaker 1: South Florida case against Trump on classified documents garbage. We

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Speaker 1: told you that it was likely to get tossed, that

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Speaker 1: it was within also said that there was zero chance

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden would spend a single day in prison. Zero chance.

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Speaker 1: And people got a little bit huffy about that one.

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Speaker 1: Remember that, Clay, Yeah, like, guys, his dad's the president.

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Speaker 1: They bring charges, sure, Clay Ashley nailed that one early. Well,

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Speaker 1: they bring charge a shore. But hot, is Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: gonna let his son go to federal prison? No, we

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Speaker 1: told you he would pardon. People said, well, he's saying

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Speaker 1: he's not gonna part, and we were like, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: part at the last minute. By the way, there are

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Speaker 1: some interesting actually tons of super interesting questions. Matt in Rockville,

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Speaker 6: Hey, guys, Yes, so one of the things that you're

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Speaker 6: talking about is getting an indictment in DC. Well, if

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Speaker 6: you remember, I Lean Cannon, the district judge in Florida.

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Speaker 6: One of the reasons that she tossed out the case

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Speaker 6: after the mar Lager raid was that Jack Smith and

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Speaker 6: paneled a grand jury in DC to go after him

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Speaker 6: in Florida, which makes zero sense. And another example what

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Speaker 6: they've done before is if you remember the guy who

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Speaker 6: made the meme about voting for Hillary Douglas Mackie. Douglas

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Speaker 6: Mackie was tweeting from Florida. Where did they go after him?

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Speaker 6: The Eastern District of New York. Why the Twitter servers

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Speaker 6: were in New York. So that's where they went after

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Speaker 6: him and arrested him and put them on trial. So

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Speaker 6: there are ways to go about doing this, and we're

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Speaker 6: just you know, the shoes on the other foot. Now,

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Speaker 6: guys like, if you can do it, we can do

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Speaker 6: it back to you. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So these are smart questions, and let me what you're

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Speaker 1: really hitting is venue. And every lawyer will tell you

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Speaker 1: that one of the most significant things about any case

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Speaker 1: is where it's located. And they actually have a term

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Speaker 1: for it. It's called forum shopping. Where you go to

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Speaker 1: a district, or you go to a state, or you

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Speaker 1: go to a locality that you believe is far more

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Speaker 1: likely to be favorable towards your perspective. Actually, where you

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Speaker 1: file the race to jurisdiction can be a huge part

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Speaker 1: of a story. This is getting into the weeds. The

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Speaker 1: example that you cited is a good one actually in Florida.

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Speaker 1: If you remember, Jack Smith actually started to prosecute Trump

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Speaker 1: for classified document issues in DC. That's where you and

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Speaker 1: paneled the grand jury. Then I think he realized, uh, oh,

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Speaker 1: I should be doing this where mar A Lago is located,

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Speaker 1: and just picked up that entire process and tried to

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Speaker 1: relocate it to Florida, where the crime is committed is

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Speaker 1: a huge part of the venue. I think you would

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Speaker 1: be very hard. Given Barack Obama lives in DC, and

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Speaker 1: given the president by and large is located in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. For most of his time in office, I

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Speaker 1: think it would be very hard to bring charges. Leave

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Speaker 1: aside the presidential powers aspect, it would be very hard,

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Speaker 1: I think, to bring charges against Barack Obama somewhere other

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Speaker 1: than Washington, d C. Which is why I go to

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Speaker 1: both presidential powers and then the grand jury. Do you

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Speaker 1: think a grand jury that ninety five or ninety eight

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Speaker 1: percent voted Obama is going to indict Obama for crimes?

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Speaker 6: I do not.

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Speaker 1: Now, to your point, they could decide hey, where could

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Speaker 1: we go elsewhere? I think they would have a major

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Speaker 1: venue ish you, and I think in the event there

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Speaker 1: were charges brought, Obama would say, hey, this is clearly

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Speaker 1: a DC related circuit challenge, and I think the courts

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Speaker 1: would likely relocate that anything involving him back to d C.

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Speaker 1: But I thank you for the call, sir. It's a

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Speaker 1: smart question that he's asking. That gets into very smart

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Speaker 1: legal procedure. Wise, I would just say, this is where

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Speaker 1: we get into does the Trump administration decide that we

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Speaker 1: are in an eye for an eye era of the DOJ,

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Speaker 1: which I think our caller was also getting. He said,

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Speaker 1: look that they can do this to us, we can

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Speaker 1: do this to them. That could be the case. So

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Speaker 1: I would be far less surprised to see an indictment

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Speaker 1: brought against a John Brennan. I'm not even sure what

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Speaker 1: the statute would be currently, but let's just say they

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Speaker 1: find a statute they're going to use. I would be

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Speaker 1: far less surprised to see that happen. And then I

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Speaker 1: would just see an actual trial with an actual jury

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Speaker 1: convicting and there being some consequence beyond it. But the

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Speaker 1: process is the punishment works both ways. That is what

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Speaker 1: I am saying. So maybe that is the desire here.

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Speaker 1: If they brought charges against Obama, you would see a

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Speaker 1: form of what happened when they brought charges against Trump.

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Speaker 1: That is, Obama's attorneys would seek to dismiss the charges

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Speaker 1: by arguing that all of his actions were within presidential powers.

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Speaker 1: And ironically, after criticizing Trump. This is just giving you

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Speaker 1: a preview of how this would go. After criticizing Trump

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Speaker 1: and saying, oh, this is how dictators destroy our constitution,

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Speaker 1: Obama's attorneys would argue entirely based on the Trump precedent,

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Speaker 1: that he could not be prosecuted for anything that happened.

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Speaker 1: Every president is going to use the Trump precedent to

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Speaker 1: their advantage for the rest of our lives. Well, the

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Speaker 7: Hey, I look at I look at Obama from my

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Speaker 1: Look, I don't disagree with the concept of to me,

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Speaker 1: the most relevant thing here is setting the historic record

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Speaker 1: in place, and so in the future people understand what

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Speaker 1: happened in Trump one point zero. Look, I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: as well. Joe in Miami, what you got for us?

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Speaker 3: I just want I do agree with that. It could

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Speaker 3: be another Lucy Charlie Brown situation, but just a spin

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Speaker 3: on it that hasn't been pointed out. When they got Trump,

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Speaker 3: they had the presidency on their side, they had half

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Speaker 3: of Congress, they had the FBI, the CIA, the Justice Department,

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Speaker 3: and this court system with their venue, you know, picking

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Speaker 3: the right venue, and they had media on their side.

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Speaker 3: But however, this time Trump has the presidency, he has

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Speaker 3: all of Congress, FBI, CIA, Justice Department, and the court system.

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Speaker 3: Is going to be a battle, but he does have Fox,

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Speaker 3: which is the number one show out there. And even

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Speaker 3: though they had everything they had, they were only they

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Speaker 3: were able to throw them in jail and almost try

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Speaker 3: to bankrupt him. Yeah, now that we have more on

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Speaker 3: our side, we should be able to do at least

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Speaker 3: that maybe not throw them in jail, but at least

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Speaker 3: bankrupt them and like you said, set history straight and

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Speaker 3: ruin their life hopefully and run them through the mill.

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Speaker 3: You know, these are things we could do, not to

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Speaker 3: give up, but we have I feel more on our side,

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Speaker 3: and we have the truth. They did all this with

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Speaker 3: just lies.

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Speaker 1: You're preaching to the choir. Preacher to the choir. Here's

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Speaker 1: the deal. And I'm telling you this as a lawyer.

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Speaker 1: You have to find something to charge them with, right

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Speaker 1: and it has to be within the statute of limitations,

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Speaker 1: and it has to be actionable based on the venue.

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Speaker 1: That is what we have tried to focus on. What

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Speaker 1: are the charges going to be? I thought maybe you

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Speaker 1: could get them. I think Buck you said ten years

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Speaker 1: on leaking intelligence documents to the media, which we know happened.

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Speaker 1: Those are tough cases to prove, but we know that

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Speaker 1: they got information at the Washington Post the New York

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Speaker 1: Times to be writing the stories that they did. I

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Speaker 1: think the challenge you're going to find is the precedent

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Speaker 1: Trump set when he won those Supreme Court cases is

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Speaker 1: as long as you're acting arguably within your authority as president,

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Speaker 1: it's almost impossible to criminally charge you. Obama would cite

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Speaker 1: the Trump precedents now ironically to protect himself