1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Do you know another parent or a soon to be 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: parent and expecting mom or dad. Please don't give them 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: another onesie or another toy that you know is going 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: to end up in the garage or at the goodwill. 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: Give them something that matters, and what matters the most 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: protecting your child. What do you love the most in 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: the world Your children? I do, and I will do 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: anything to protect my twins. Go to crime stops here 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: dot com. It is a five part series with action 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: information that you can use to change your life and 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: protect your child's life. Payment starting at six. Give that 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: as a gift, not another one that you're a plastic toy. 13 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: Give them something that matters. Find out how to protect 14 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: your child out and about at the mall, at the store, 15 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: at the grocery store, in the parking lot, at home, 16 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: by doubt about protection regarding babysitters, in daycare, even online 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: cyber security. Oh yes, my children are online, and you 18 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: better bet I'm doing everything within my power to protect them. 19 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: Payments starting six. I would much rather have that than 20 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: yet another plastic baby doll, or God forbid, a toy gun. 21 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: Just what I don't want. Joined the Justice Nation. Crime 22 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: stops here dot com Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Based 23 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: on our investigation thus far, we believe Jamie was in 24 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: the home at the time of the homicides. We believe 25 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: she is still endangered. This remains an active investigation. We're 26 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: following up on every tip We've received over tips in 27 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: our community and from across the nation. We have closed 28 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: of those bombshell news in the search for a missing 29 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: little girl, Jamie Class. In the last hours, the Wisconsin 30 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: Sheriff announces two vehicles of interest are being sought in 31 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: connection with the missing Wisconsin girl, Jamie Class. Jamie has 32 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: just turned thirteen. I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 33 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Okay. Done. Now the 34 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: examination of video camera footage, both from businesses and homes, 35 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: we have determined two vehicles that were in the in 36 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: the Class home near the Class home at the time 37 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: of the incident. You'll see three photos up here. The 38 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: first vehicle is likely a two thousand eight to two 39 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: thousand fourteen Dodge Challenger redd or orange and color. The 40 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: second vehicle is likely either a two thousand and six 41 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: to two thousand and ten Ford Edge Black or a 42 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: two thousand and four to two thousand and ten Aca 43 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: m d X black in color. Again, I want to 44 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: stress these are vehicles of interest only. If anyone sees 45 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: or has seen these two vehicles in and around Baron 46 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: Coney over the past two weeks, they were asked to 47 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: call our tip line with the time it was observed, 48 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: location and license plate number if available. Once again, we 49 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: were only gonna take tips based on the above information, 50 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: nor other makes and models of vehicles are being followed 51 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: up on. Also for the community, this is a good 52 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: time now that we have some vehicles of interest to 53 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: look for changes in behavior or routine of people. We 54 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: have the two cars described, either they don't drive them anymore, 55 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: they've changed their routine and what they drive, or where 56 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: they drive. Sightings of Jamie you should call nine on one. 57 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: Sightings of this vehicle you should call our tip line. 58 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: We need your help. Jamie's family needs your help. Her 59 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: parents can no longer help her. When police arrived at 60 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: their home just minutes after apparently a pocket dial nine 61 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: one one, both parents day head, the front door kicked in, 62 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: the parents shot dead, neighbors here two gun shots, and 63 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: within the minutes after the nivel one call is made, 64 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: the little girl is gone straight out to Alan Duke, 65 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: joining me, Alan, this is major. I'm assuming they're getting 66 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: this from neighboring surveilla's video. It's from surveillance video, not 67 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: just from neighbors, but also some from businesses in the area. 68 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: These vehicles were seen in the area on video and 69 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: they believe they could very well be connected to calling 70 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: them vehicles of interest. There's a lot happening in this 71 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: case today. This two thousand volunteer search is something that 72 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: I'm interested in. You don't just call for two thousand 73 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: volunteers to walk over one area unless you've got a 74 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: reason to. When the sheriff says investigators think there is 75 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: a reason, there is a reason. According to sources inside 76 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: the investigation, joining me, New York psychologist Karen Stark Vince 77 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: and Hill cop turned private eye, author of playbook to 78 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: a Murder also with me, renowned criminal defense attorney Jason 79 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: Oceans who works in the Tri State area. To you, 80 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, private investigator, what does this mean? Interpret the 81 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: tea leaves for me, Well, Nancy, looking at these two 82 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: vehicles that are vehicles of interest, what this tells me? 83 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: This is a very small town three square miles, So 84 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: it tells me that these vehicles probably don't belong there. 85 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: You're talking about a dog Challenger, which is a very 86 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: flashy vehicle and possibly an accurate Those would stand out 87 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: to those people in that small community. So it tells 88 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: me and maybe someone that came in went into that home, 89 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: they knew exactly what or should I say, who they 90 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: were looking for to uh go into that home. So 91 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: I think these vehicles are key in this case. Right now, Nancy, 92 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: at this hour, we know the sheriff has been using 93 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: drones and infrared to search the area, including nearby densely 94 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: wooded forest. Jamie class missing from her home, and this 95 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: morning we are finding out that the investigation is honing 96 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: in on a local hollow as police beg for two 97 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: thousand volunteers to help with search efforts. And this is 98 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: just before the teens classmates gathering for a vigil in 99 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: the Barron County Sheriff's office asking for volunteers to gather 100 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: in order to search the Hungry hollow grounds. How have 101 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: they come up with that specific spot a local hollow. 102 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: It's not clear if the search is related to a 103 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: tip regarding the location of Jamie or other evidence that 104 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: may lead to Jamie. What could that be straight out 105 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: to Jason Ocean's Jason. I just every time I think 106 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: of Jamie, I see her face and then I see 107 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: Lucy's face, my daughter Nancy. That's that's normal for as 108 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: I think nationally, whenever we hear that the child is 109 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: missing in Europe us your heart and makes you think 110 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: of your own. So you're not alone in associating that. Now, 111 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: I think the fact that as all mentioned the town 112 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: as mobilized as small town, uh, is you know, testament 113 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: to testament to them and their commitment to the family 114 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: for sure. Now, when we refer to a hollow, a 115 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: hollow is for instance, a dip in the ground. It 116 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: is kind of like, um, how would you describe it, 117 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: Alan Duke, I would say, coming across the hill and 118 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: then you go down the hill and that whole area. Yeah, 119 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: it would be referred to as a hollow. In this 120 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: particular hollow is what the Sheriff's office is asking for 121 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: volunteers to come. It's Hungry Hollow grounds. The Baron County 122 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: Sheriff asking for volunteers to gather today to search the 123 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: Hungry Hollow grounds there, Wisconsin. While at the same time 124 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: the FBI expanding it searched nationwide after placing Jamie at 125 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: the top of the missing person's list. You know, to Karen, 126 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: start yourk psychologists joining me. Many people suggested that this 127 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: little girl was part of the murder of her parents 128 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: and her own disappearance. I do not believe that the 129 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: cops have clearly stated that she is in danger. I 130 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: don't believe that for one minute someone targeted this girl. 131 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: Nothing was stolen, no one was sex attacked. There was 132 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: not a burglary in the middle of the night or 133 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: when nobody was home. They specifically came after midnight when 134 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: the lights were all cut off, to get in there 135 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: and get the girl. If they wanted to steal, they 136 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: could have done it while everybody was gone during the day. 137 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: Karen start, Why do people always think the worst? Well, 138 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: because that's human nature and Nancy and UM, I guess 139 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: that everybody. Um it's much more exciting sometimes to think 140 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: that some kind of plot has evolved then and include 141 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: this girl. Then to see the reality of the fact 142 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: that there was no nothing that was stolen. There was 143 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: She's thirteen years old. Um, this this little girl is missing, 144 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: and um, let's hope really meant that she's alive, because 145 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: it's a long time already and what she has to 146 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: endure when she's finally found. God Willie, she's found. This 147 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: is the second mass search for Jamie class the only 148 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: one hundred gathered last week. But now the sheriffs are 149 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: honing in on a particular area. This is they announced 150 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: cars of interest a Dodge Challenger red or orange, a 151 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: forward edge black in color or an accurate black in color. 152 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: The tip line so significant seven five, three, seven, three 153 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: zero six or eight five seven four four three eight 154 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: seven nine. Go to crime online dot com for updates 155 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: throughout the day. In the search for Jamie, Please help 156 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: us bring her home and if you cannot help us physically, 157 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: please pray for Jamie. Do you know another parent or 158 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: a soon to be parent and expecting mom or dad, 159 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: Please don't give them another onesie or another toy that 160 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: you know is going to end up in the garage 161 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: or at the goodwill. Give them something that matters and 162 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: what matters the most protecting your child. What do you 163 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: love the most in the world? Your children? I do, 164 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: and I will do anything to protect my twins. Go 165 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: to crime stops here dot com. It is a five 166 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: part series with action in for Nation that you can 167 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: use to change your life and protect your child's life. 168 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: Payments starting at six nine. Give that as a gift, 169 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: not another one that you're a plastic toy. Give them 170 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: something that matters. Find Out how to protect your child 171 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: out and about at the mall, at the store, at 172 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: the grocery store, in the parking lot, at home. Find 173 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: out about protection regarding babysitters, in daycare, even online cyber security. 174 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: Oh yes, my children are online, and you better bet 175 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: I'm doing everything within my power to protect them. Payment 176 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: starting six I would much rather have that than yet 177 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: another plastic baby doll, or god forbid, a toy gun. 178 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: Just what I don't want. Joined the Justice Nation, Crime 179 00:11:53,160 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: stops here dot com. Where are you at the happened? 180 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: I was down. I think he did it. I don't 181 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: know what to think. You are hearing the sound of 182 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: Sharika Adams the night that she was shot. She died 183 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: eight months pregnant with NFL star the number one draft pick, 184 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: Ray Caruth, who went on to play who was playing 185 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: for the Carolina Panthers. That night, he had invited his girlfriend, 186 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 1: the mother of his baby, out to a movie. They 187 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: went to a movie, but they were in separate cars. 188 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: At his request, they were going to meet there. He 189 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: was in front of her as they left a late 190 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: night movie and as they drove away, he suddenly hit 191 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: the brakes. She hit the brakes behind him, and as 192 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: she did, a car pulled up beside her. Someone came 193 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: out and shot her. She died. Her baby was left 194 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: with cerebral palsy. That baby is now nineteen year old Chancellor. 195 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: He has lived with Shrika's mother, Sandra all this time, 196 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: and in the last hours, Ray Carruth walks from jail, 197 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: walks from jail free free. Take a listen to Chancellor's grandma, 198 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: who has been raising him all this time, as she reacts, 199 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: I don't even want to see Ray Caruth go to hell. 200 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: I want him to come to repentance because Ray is 201 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: never going to have peace in his life until he 202 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: tells the truth. In the past, I didn't think it 203 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: mattered that he just do his time, get out, be free, 204 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: going along his way. But I think as the time 205 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: gets closer for him to get out, I am feeling 206 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: very differently. Part of me wants to be there the 207 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: day he walks out so he can acknowledge his son. 208 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: And then there's part of me that just wants to 209 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: be chilling out on a beach somewhere on October two 210 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: and not even thinking about that it's October twenty. You 211 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: are hearing the woman that has raised baby Chance for 212 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: all these years. Well as it all boiled down. You 213 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: know how drowning rats are. They'll grab onto anything. Take 214 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: a listen to the known to trigger me and testifying 215 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: under oath and the death, the murder of an eight 216 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: month pregnant mob Sharika Adams, the detention officer grimly two 217 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: weeks after you caused that, I hope the bitch dies. 218 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: You see that. That's the bitch I was talking about. 219 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: Oh I see break a ruf. Oh that's the bitch 220 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: I was referring to. Who got me into this? Okay, 221 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: this is the bitch I was referring to. He didn't 222 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: stand up. I stood up for mine. I said, I 223 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: did it. I did it because he made me do it. Okay, 224 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: he made the other two. Also, what about that, Jason Oceans, 225 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: you're the veteran criminal defense attorney. How do you get 226 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: around testimony like that? And to this day the number 227 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: one draft pick making forty thousand dollars a game. Still 228 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: says he was not involved. He says he's sorry for 229 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: his part, but he's never really comes very very huge, 230 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: come clean. Uh oh oh oh, Jason Oceans. So you've 231 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: got children, so you go along with they did it. 232 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: They're doing it, dad, Can I do it? Have you 233 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: ever said if they jumped off a cliff, would you 234 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: jump off a cliff too? I bet you have. But 235 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: you're telling me right now they all do and nobody 236 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: comes clean. That's your defense, Jason Oceans. I expected more. 237 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: That made defense. He's done. He's done his time, subject 238 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: to the court eat years. We look on profile of 239 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: a lot of cases pop killers who get loose eventually. Uh, 240 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: we just don't throw you in a goolag forever. As 241 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: much as the publicity of a heinous crime like this 242 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: grabs at us, there's there's regular crime and people being 243 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: released all the time. You understand the system. It's what 244 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: you telling me. I'll understand the system like that somehow 245 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: makes it okay. You're prosecutor man. No, I think you 246 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: should have gotten the death penalty for killing her and 247 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: leaving the baby forever. It was cerebral paul sy. You 248 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: know what listen to vam Brett Watkins at trial. That's 249 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: your client the bit at the time that you made 250 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: that statement, Sharika Adams was fighting for her line, right. 251 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 1: Did the captain tell you what happened that day? My 252 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: question is Sharika Adams was fighting for her life, wasn't she? 253 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: She was? But this this wasn't about Sharika Adams. It 254 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: was about the president who got me involved in all 255 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: this for six months. Your client did this. This wasn't 256 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: a one day affair. It was for six months. He 257 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: dragged me into something that I didn't want to be 258 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: involved with. Cling Have you ever referred to women as 259 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: it's not It's not something I would do all the time. 260 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right. He's such a choir boy. He's never 261 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: called a woman a bit, right, Karen Stark. He is 262 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: lying through his teeth. That was the proven trigger man 263 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: who was arranged by Ray Caruth, the NFL star, and 264 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: he wanted Shrinka Adams dead. I remember it like it 265 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: was yesterday. I sat there and watched that testimony come 266 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: from the stand. Because he referred to Sharika Adams his 267 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: girlfriend as they quote, who chie mama that was after 268 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: him for money. So what's his answer, killer, kill her 269 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: and the baby. But what he didn't count on is 270 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: Sharika Adams making that nine one one call and fingering 271 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: him Karen Stark. And now the trigger has up there 272 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,239 Speaker 1: saying while Sharika Adams is lying in the hospital with 273 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: her baby inside of her, fighting struggling to live, to 274 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: save the baby, he says, I hope the bitch dies. 275 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: Now he's trying to twist that around and make me 276 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: think he was talking about Ray Caruth. Well, the whole 277 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: story is like that, Nancy. It's so awful that this 278 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,719 Speaker 1: woman is pregnant. What's incredible is that the baby even lived, 279 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: although the baby has cerebral pauses as a result of 280 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: what happened. But when you think about this, you think 281 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: about this guy who's it's like a superstar. He's getting 282 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: to be really famous, and this is all of a 283 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: sudden and albatross on his neck to have this girlfriend, 284 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: and instead of saying, let me break up with her 285 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: and do the right thing, he decides it's a good 286 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: idea to have her killed. Until this day he doesn't 287 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: admit it yet. He asked to be forgiven and thought 288 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: somehow at one point that he should raise, blab blah blah. 289 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: You know to Vincent Hill, former cop turn p I 290 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: author of playbook to Murder. You know the title of 291 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: your book right there tells me you're all about sports 292 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: and you're all about murder. Vincent Hill, he was already 293 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: supporting one child um out of wedlock, not judging, don't care. 294 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: What I care about is motive for murder. So he 295 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: did not want to support another baby. Well, what happens 296 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: to these guys? They finally make it big and then 297 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: they want lose their mind when they get all that money. Well, 298 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: you can give a man as much money as you want, 299 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: but you can't take the hood out of them if 300 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: you will. I mean, let's be clear. He took the 301 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: cowards way out, not only for not wanting to pay 302 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: for this chance. Do you mean but you can't take 303 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: the hood out? Are you suggesting it because he's African America? 304 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: Because let me tell you something. We just covered a 305 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: rich millionaires that murdered his wife. What he's full of 306 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: hood to what I'm saying, Nancy, I mean something or 307 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: just uh predisposed to be evil? And this guy he 308 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: took the coward's way out, not only and not wanting 309 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: to pay for this child. But he went and hired 310 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: this hit man to do it. He wasn't even brave 311 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: enough to do it himself. He got this guy who says, oh, 312 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: well he made me do it. Well, that's just like saying, well, 313 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: it's the dude's pants. I didn't really want to do it, 314 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: but he made me do it. He was a coward, 315 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: all right, right right, this is Van Brett Watkins you're 316 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: talking about. Listen, I hope the bitch that's a bit 317 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: of a talking about. Oh I see, where are you at, 318 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: a brit I think he did it. I don't know 319 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: what you are hearing the sound of Sharika Adams. She 320 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: had gone to a late night movie with her boyfriend, 321 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: the father of her baby. Eight months pregnant. She was 322 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: when the dad, Ray Caruth, high flying football star, slammed 323 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: on the brakes. She stopped behind him, and at that 324 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: exact moment, another car pulled up an opened fire, shooting her. 325 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: She lingered in the hospital for a period of days, 326 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: and it was then she continued to say, Ray Carruth, 327 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: the father of her child, was involved. I mean, see, Grace, 328 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: this is crime stories. Thank you for being with us 329 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: as we have reported on crime online dot com. Ray 330 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: Carruth has just walked free. He walked out of that 331 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: correctional institute into a waiting white suv. He wasn't so 332 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,719 Speaker 1: worried about Sharika adams murder and his child living a 333 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: life with cerebral paulse that he didn't have time to 334 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: smile and nod at all of the cameras. But the 335 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: woman left to raise the little boy was Shaika adams mother. 336 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: Sandra listens, pretty, mommy, A Ray would never come back 337 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: here and do anything, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't 338 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: send someone. So I am a little anxious and I'm 339 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: not going to live in fear, but I'm taking a 340 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: lot of precautions because he usually gets somebody else to 341 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,719 Speaker 1: do his dirty work. And we're going to protect arly. 342 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: You are hearing Sandra Adams and she has taken the 343 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: little boy Chancellor to his mom's grave. There was a 344 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,239 Speaker 1: big flurry of activity when Ray Caruth said that he 345 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: wanted to take custody of the little boy Chancellor. Jason 346 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: Oceans has he lost his mind? He tried to the 347 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: little boy, he can't have custody. I certainly don't think 348 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: that anyone who's going to afford him custody. That could 349 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: have been a quick sound by relative to catching on 350 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: his way out. You know, eighteen years is a long 351 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: time to be in prison and reflect certainly uh Shrieker's 352 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: mom uh comments on repentance, and you know, I'll certainly 353 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: echo that focused relative to that, I don't think he'd 354 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: be a good caring father based on the facts and circumstances. 355 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: So I think it's really a red herring and more 356 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: food for fadder in terms of our discussion. Well, wait 357 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: a minute, I don't know about it being a red hearing. 358 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: Jason Oceans. You may be a veteran defense lawyer in 359 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: New York City in New Jersey, but let me tell 360 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: you something. He wrote a jail house letter to Sandra Adams, 361 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 1: Chancellor's grandmother, saying, quote, you know you're not gonna live 362 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: forever because she's the grandma, and I want custy. I 363 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: want to take Chancellor, you know what, over my cold 364 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: dead body, Jason Ocean. And so it's just not some 365 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: uh pipe dream he planned to take the boy. I 366 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: would imagine at that point when when Grandma passes in 367 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: a hundred years, that the stay or some other family 368 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: members would come in and protect Chancellor some m You'd 369 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: think so, right, you'd think so, But you wouldn't think 370 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,479 Speaker 1: somebody would gun down the mother of his baby, with 371 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: her eight months pregnant. Let me jog everyone's memory. Let 372 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: me jog Alan Duke's memory as to what exactly happened 373 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: with an Alan door wide receiver. Ray Ruth found hiding 374 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: in the trunk of a car in and arrested and 375 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: charged with hiring a hit man to kill his pregnant girlfriend, 376 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: Sharika Adams. Sharika dial nine one one, telling the operator 377 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: of someone drove by and shot her on Ray Road 378 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: in November. She later died in the hospital, her unborn 379 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: son delivered by emergency C section. Can you imagine what 380 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: they all went through? Alan, Do do you remember when 381 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: this happened and this guy had it all Alan forty 382 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a game. I remember it quite well. In fact, 383 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 1: I remember after she died in the hospital he flat 384 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: and I think that's an admission of guilt right there. 385 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: They founded hiding in a trunk in West Gennessee, surrounded 386 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: by bottles of urine. I just want to throw that 387 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: in there. His pants were down around his knees. Talk 388 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: about a glorious arrest. They find him, like in the 389 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: parking lot of a gas station or something. They opened 390 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: the trunk. Caruth is in the trunk. Yeah, I always 391 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: do that, hang out in the trunk with my pants down, 392 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: t teen in a coke bottle. But there he was, 393 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: his pants down. Um oh, if I could only be 394 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: in there for the arrest with bottles full of urine 395 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: around him? What about that Vincent Hill. That's a pretty 396 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: long fall from glory. Forty dollars a game to hiding 397 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: in the back of your trunk with your pants down 398 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: surround about bottles of urine Vincent Hill. Yeah, you talk 399 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: about a fall from grace, Nancy. I mean, it's clear 400 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: he was trying to get to California. That's where he 401 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: told Wendy Call to take them so he could flee 402 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: to Mexico. They were on I forty westbound and Nancy, 403 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: let me point this out. Can you imagine if Sharika 404 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: did not make that nine one one call where we 405 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: would be would Ray have gotten away with this? Because 406 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: keep in mind back in nine why are you calling 407 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: him Ray like your best friends? What do you hav 408 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: him over for dinner tonight. Well, I mean, that's that's 409 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: his given name. But back in nine cell phone towers 410 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: and all that was in its infancy stage. Could you 411 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: imagine if she had not made that nine one one 412 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: call and died there on the scene, rayk Ruth could 413 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: have very well have gotten away with this. But thankfully 414 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: she had all the evidence right there in that nine 415 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: one one call. He hit the brakes, someone pulled up 416 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: behind me and shot me. I think that sealed his 417 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: fate and I'm glad she was able to make that call. You, 418 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, has never admitted guilt, but he wrote 419 00:27:54,840 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: this really complicated fifteen page letter to CBSF Philly, at 420 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: w b TV and Charlotte and he wrote, quote, I 421 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: feel responsible for everything that happened, and I just want 422 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: Sandra Adams to know that, truly, I'm sorry for everything 423 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: I wanted. That says she won't sue his pants off 424 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: for wrongful death action, or you know, maybe she already did. 425 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: So he's still can't come clean. He's still even to 426 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: this day, can't come clean. Karen start, what's that all about? Denial? Nancy? 427 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: And it reminds me of Scott Peterson, cried, Yes, it's 428 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: just like Scott Peterson. That was really good. And of 429 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: course you've covered both of those. And then in that 430 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: respect you're looking at criminal. Wait a minute, hold on, 431 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: Jackie Howard, did you actually shake your head no? When 432 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: I said it reminded me of j Scott. You're saying 433 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: your head because he could not admit to his family 434 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: and friends and adoring public he did it. He so 435 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: did it. He could not accept the concept that he 436 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: was not the Scott Peterson. They all had come to 437 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: know the same thing here. What about it, Karen start, 438 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: I mean contradictions. If you look at the contradictions between 439 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: the evidence and in the case of this man, how 440 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: he's saying, you know, please forgive me. But what are 441 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: we supposed to forgive him for if in fact he's 442 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: not guilty and he's hiding in the trunk of a 443 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: car and he's trying to escape, and and he's teaching 444 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: into a coke bottle. Let me just throw that in 445 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: attempt of Okay, I'm going to say that I'm Jason Notions. 446 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: Jason notions, I want you vincent, he'll Karen start, Jackie 447 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: Howard and aland to all imagine him in the dark 448 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: of a trunk trying to t te directly into a 449 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: coke bottle. Yeah, I'm going to keep bringing it up 450 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: because it makes Jason Notions evincent. He'll cringe, all right, 451 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: That's why I'm doing it. But well, hey, Nancy, maybe 452 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: he'll write a book and say Charlie did it, and 453 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: he'll get a hypothetical like someone you're talking about, O J. Simpson. 454 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: And that's what's irritating me because I was just asked 455 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: recently on Daily Mail TV, what's going to happen? You know, 456 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: he's a licensed barber and he cuts hair or a 457 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: dollar a cut behind bars. He could go out watch, watch, 458 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: watch and open like um, a luxury barber shop where 459 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: they sell like booze and food or whatever, like a 460 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: sports barber. Why am I giving this guy ideas like 461 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: TVs all around it to watch football games and sports 462 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: games while you get your hair cut. Just keep watching 463 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: and he's gonna be lauded and put on a pedestal, 464 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: just like O. J. Simpson. And you know what that 465 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: that may be true, But when I think of Raker Ruth, 466 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: this is what I think of. Where are you at? Happened? 467 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: I was down at my boot I think he did it. 468 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: I don't know where to think of. Rayker Ruth down 469 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: to the Seamson Correctional Institute right at eight am, trading 470 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: that prison jump sued for normal clothes, a black snow 471 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: cap in a leather jacket. He was escorted by several 472 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: corrections officers into this white suburban that immediately sped off. 473 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: Ruth was convicted of being the mastermind behind the murder 474 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: of his pregnant girlfriend, Serika Adams, who was shot four 475 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: times while driving down the street in Charlotte. Thankfully, doctors 476 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: were able to save her son, Chancellor, who's now eighteen 477 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: years old and suffers from cerebral palsy. Cerebral policy will 478 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: afflict him for the rest of his life. Now. We 479 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: also heard from ray Caruth himself. Take a listen to 480 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: the former NFL star and convicted killer speaking to WU 481 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: s o c t V. Out of here. Um nervous. 482 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: It's about how we received by the public. I still 483 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: have to work, I have to live, I have to 484 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: exist out there, and it just seems like there's so 485 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: much hate and negativity towards me. Actually somewhat frightened, so 486 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: I just you know, it's a lot of it's mixed emotions, 487 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: but mainly I'm just worried about how to be received. 488 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: So coming out of here what means supposed to be 489 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: isn't regaining my freedom, but hopefully handy an opportunity to 490 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: find different ways to be there for my son that 491 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: I hadn't had a while I was incarcerating. I just 492 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: wanted to really be forgiving. You know, I noticed in 493 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: the sound he's very worried about how he is going 494 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: to be received, what people think of him, Karen start 495 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: you the New York psychologists put a shrink on that. Well, 496 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: because he's narcissistic, Nancy, he's a pathological liar. He can 497 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: believe his lies even if it's contradictory, and it's all 498 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: about him. Then he frozen at the end that he 499 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: wants to be a good father to the son whom 500 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: he actually wished was dead, or he went to try 501 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: to shoot the mother while she was pregnant. So if 502 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: you look at what he's saying, it's just a bunch 503 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: of hogwash. None of it makes any sense at all. 504 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: Pathological liar, narcissists, and did you know that's a lot 505 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: of very impressive terms. Let me go to Jason, Ocean's 506 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: criminal defense lawyer. Jason to me, what it boils down to, 507 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: he just does not want to admit what he did 508 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,959 Speaker 1: well on the head the narcissism, I mean, these are 509 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: star athletes, were come from an early agent, put on 510 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: a pedestal, and the fact that he could think that 511 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: in that stage of his life, that this is what 512 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: he needed to do and move forward. Um, you know, 513 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: just highlights the narcissism. You know, he spocused about him, 514 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: his look and all he's received. I don't know, you know, 515 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: that's I think what goes into what really happened to 516 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: start with. He did not want to be saddling another child. 517 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: He did not want to pay child support. Take a 518 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: listen to Careu's teammate Frank Garcia speaking to w you 519 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: z y t V. I don't know if you think 520 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: of anybody that's working in you know, next to you, 521 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: or that you speak to every day, is capable of 522 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: doing something like that. He's going to be out in public, 523 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know if you've ever sat 524 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: next to a convicted uh, you know, killer or somebody's 525 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: success as I haven't, and I don't know how I 526 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: would react to that it would be a little nerve racking, 527 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 1: to say the least. I'm guessing you know what birds 528 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 1: of a feather flought together. Listen to vam Brett Watkins, 529 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: and you've you've got a gun there that he said 530 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: he told you to get down Atlanta, right. The purpose 531 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,479 Speaker 1: of that gun, according to you, is to carry out 532 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: the shooting, right exactly. And so you get this call 533 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: and you're and you're petrified, and so you go over 534 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: there because you feel petrified, but you don't bring the 535 00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: gun that you supposedly bought for purposes of this kid, 536 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 1: right exactly. So you're sort of a hit man without 537 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: a weapon. That what you are. If that's what you 538 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: want to say, Well, that's what you were according to you. 539 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: If that's what you I could kill you with my hands, Okay, 540 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: is that what you were? I could kill you with 541 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: my hands. I don't need again, and I didn't need 542 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: a gun, Okay, I put I left the gun in carry. 543 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: Can I just point out that that really doesn't help anything, uh, 544 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: Vincent hill cop turn p I author of playbook to 545 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: a murder? That really doesn't help you on the stand 546 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: when you look at the lawyer ago, I don't need 547 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: a gun to kill you. I can kill you with 548 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: my own hands. I'm sure the jury went home with 549 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 1: that ringing in their ears, probably had nightmares. Yeah, Nancy, 550 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: I think one of the jurors described the best that 551 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: he was glad that Marshams were in the courtroom. He 552 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: actually went on to say, I could rip you apart 553 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: with my bare hands like a rag doll. So you're 554 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: paying yourself as very violent and brutal killer. So why 555 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: would you go on the stand and say that it 556 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: didn't help it? On? It shows there's no self control. 557 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: But my point with this is birds of a feather 558 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 1: flock together. You lay down with a dog, you wake 559 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: up with a flee That's just how it goes. So 560 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: if he's such an angel and he had nothing to 561 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 1: do with Rika Adams murder, what was he doing hanging 562 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: out with Van Brett Watkins, the trigger man? I mean, 563 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: look around and who your friends are? And I am 564 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: not because Lord, you know, think think about it, Alan, 565 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: do you you know? I am certainly no Bible scholar, 566 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: all right? But Christ hung out with hookers and tax 567 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: collectors and bad guys and and good guys and and 568 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: great people and the disciples me hanging out with everybody. 569 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: My point is not to look down on people in 570 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: any way, but look at who you are choosing to 571 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: be with. Who are your children choosing to be with? 572 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: The school bully or the a student? Who who are 573 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 1: your children hanging out with? Who are you hanging out with? 574 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: Because that is a reflection of you. I think, um 575 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: am I crazy here and start of course not Nancy, 576 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 1: That's exactly true. And if you think about the fact 577 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 1: that here's somebody who is actually bragging about the ability 578 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: to kill and yet saying I had nothing to do 579 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: with it. For all, the contradictions here are outrageous, and 580 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: it's it's no surprise that they wound up going to jail. 581 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: Is everybody sitting down, y'all better lay down, because let 582 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: me tell you something. When Raker Ruth walked out of 583 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: that CI people actually started clapping. They were clapping. Okay, 584 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: I don't really know what to make of that, that 585 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: people were lapping when Ray Carruth walked out of jail. 586 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 1: You know what, I'm all happy for second chances, you 587 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: know what. And let's just see what Ray Carruth does 588 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: with his second chance, because he's got it. He is 589 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: a young man. He is out free, he's walking amongst 590 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: us right now, at this very minute. He can start 591 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: all over. But I just wonder, based on what he 592 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: was saying, is he really going to start over or 593 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: is it just more of the same. I remember this 594 00:38:38,640 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: one about where are You're at? I don't Nancy Grace 595 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,720 Speaker 1: Crimes Stories, signing off goodbye friend.