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Speaker 1: You want weird, wild, wacky, you know where to go.

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Speaker 1: Jason starts always bringing it in the Athletic with his

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, good to talk to you guys. It really

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Speaker 2: World Series Game seven had ever had either, and we

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Speaker 3: Wow, Jason, forget the game? How about the series?

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Speaker 4: Was this the best World Series we've ever seen as

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: Every game was closed? I guess Game one you throw

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Speaker 4: out Game one, But after that every game was closed.

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Speaker 4: Every game came down to a pitch here, a pitch there.

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Speaker 3: We had base running good and bad. We had this

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Speaker 4: I mean it was every game besides probably Game one,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, even Game one had the Barger Pinch Grand Slam,

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Speaker 2: and they've ever been one of those. Every game had

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Speaker 3: Did the Jays outplay the Dodgers? I know the Dodgers won,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think we could say yes, But

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Speaker 2: you don't know. Baseball is about that, and it's especially

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Speaker 2: six and seven Game seven, the Blue Jays didn't have

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Speaker 2: I think how incredible it is that they had second

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Speaker 3: All Right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go off

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Speaker 4: Say that, and I'm sorry crass for this is because

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Speaker 3: Be a smashing by the Dodgers. Right.

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Speaker 4: So the little old Blue Jays, who won the most

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Speaker 4: I'm tired of hearing people say, oh, the Dodgers didn't

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Speaker 3: Well as the Blue Jays boohoo.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry blue Jays fans, get played great, but the

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Speaker 3: And you know what you can say, the ball been

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Speaker 4: Know, Mickey rojas ikf lead, whatever you want to say.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, the champion is the Dodgers.

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Speaker 3: That's it. There's no crying in baseball, right, there's no

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Speaker 4: The Dodgers played better because they won four before the

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Speaker 2: Of course, you're right. Whoever's holding the parade played better

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Speaker 3: We're talking We're talking about the Dodgers right now, because

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Speaker 3: We knew it was going to be as the playoffs

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was mind blowing. The Dodgers had four starting

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Speaker 2: World Series happened one hundred and one years ago, one

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Speaker 2: And then we did find three other games where four

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Speaker 4: Hey, Jason, this was the Dodgers use their strength, right.

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Speaker 4: Their strength was their starting pitching, and they relied on it.

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Speaker 4: I want to see. Everyone questioned Yamamoto, Right, oh, they

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Speaker 3: I love this.

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Speaker 4: You know what, it shows you guys can pitch more

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Speaker 4: Innanamamoto now has four months to get ready for next year,

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Speaker 4: This was exactly what the Dodgers needed to do to

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Speaker 4: fact that, again I keep going back this how competitive

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Speaker 4: this World Series was, Jason. Will we ever see another

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Speaker 2: Did the baseball guys watch this show? Because I want

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Speaker 2: we can speak it into existence. If I had told

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Speaker 3: All right, I need you to compare two years what

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Speaker 2: In your opinion, Well, I mean that's a great call.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Jason. It was a great world series. But I

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Speaker 4: I played against a lot of these guys. I think

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Speaker 3: Have been into. So five of the eight maybe, But I.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: I'm a Bonds guy, I'm a Clemens guy, I'm a

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Speaker 4: Mattingly should be in for what he did for the

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Speaker 4: I throw Mark Burley's got it. If Fernando Vealanzuela gets in,

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Speaker 4: how do you distinguish who you vote for in this?

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Speaker 4: And do we know who's on this committee? Because that

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Speaker 2: Well, we let me say this. We can't predict what's

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of guys on here who I have

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Speaker 2: I thought Dwight Evans might be on there. He got

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Speaker 2: last time around. The big surprise to me is Fernando. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he's been retired for eighteen years, never appeared on any

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Speaker 2: And it makes me wonder, are we seeing the shift

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Speaker 3: Because of this list, Is there a maximum amount of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've served on these before, and it's really hard.

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Speaker 2: The way it works now is you have eight you

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Speaker 2: So say, if you have somebody like Fred McGriff who

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Speaker 2: you could you could see a scenario where Bonds and

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Speaker 2: but it's that there's just not enough space. There's only

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Speaker 2: you know again, three times sixteen is forty eight total votes,

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Speaker 2: and you've got to get twelve to get elected. Like,

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Speaker 3: Who do we know who votes on this Jason? Do

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Speaker 3: we know who's on this committee?

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Speaker 2: I can, I mean, I can tell you the makeup

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Speaker 2: Then there's a number of Hall of Fame players who

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Speaker 2: that can be three, four, five, maybe even six depending

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Speaker 2: HG have done this, you know. I know people take

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Speaker 2: I think he never got elected, and then thrown out

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Speaker 2: to all those baseball people in the room and say

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Speaker 2: is amazing, just like you guys, they played against these players.

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Speaker 2: And it's a really valuable part of the process. And

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Speaker 2: writers shouldn't corner the market on who a Hall of

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Speaker 2: Famer is and isn't. People in baseball should get a

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Speaker 2: second look from a committee like this. I'm really glad

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Speaker 2: this committee exists.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I forgot to mention Carlos s dog Gotta,

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Speaker 4: who was one of the best hitters I ever played

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Speaker 4: lead to all second basement and home runs, right, Like,

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Speaker 4: how is he not in? I just I never understand

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Speaker 3: Twenty more homers.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, these are guys that I know when

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Speaker 3: A Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 4: I can't hit like him, right, Like Jeff Kent. It's

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Speaker 4: to me that when I look at this, that some

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Speaker 3: It's insane to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I voted for almost everybody on here, I think,

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Speaker 2: so I'm looking at it, I guess I'd never voted

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Speaker 2: for Valezuela. I mean Carlos Delgado. He was on a

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Speaker 2: But somebody got elected from the ballot his year. We

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Speaker 2: Chef went all ten years. Dale Murphy went fifteen years

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Speaker 2: and never got elected. Bonds and Clemens went the distance.

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Speaker 2: They had opportunities. The fact that Carlos Delgado was one

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Speaker 2: and done, that's like that changed the way I vote.

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Speaker 2: I'm serious. When he was one and done, I thought

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Speaker 2: Almost every election now, if we have a real the

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Speaker 2: the ballot because it's embarrassing when we don't elect players

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Speaker 3: All Right, My last question you guys brought up Jeff Kent.

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Speaker 3: When's a j Persinski going to get put on the

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Speaker 3: I joke about it, but I'm actually kind of serious.

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Speaker 3: The two positions that I think are underrated, I mean

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Speaker 3: So if we talk about Jeff Ken as a second baseman,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to see aj on this ballot.

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Speaker 2: When you appear in the writer's ballot, did you get

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Speaker 3: One of them wasn't Jason Stark?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? That is true, but that notwithstanding.

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Speaker 4: How was Jorge Pisada one and done?

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Speaker 5: Look at his number right right, not on this ballot? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: not anywhere to be found. He was out quick. I

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Speaker 5: mean I could go through a whole list of dudes.

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Speaker 5: I played again Johnny Damon and we could throw in

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Speaker 3: He was one done. He's got twenty eight hundred and

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Speaker 4: Like, there's a slew of people I look at and

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Speaker 4: I'm like, how they how are they off the ballots

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Speaker 2: Well, again, we went through a period where the ballots

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Speaker 2: so hard, you know, I used to I went years

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Speaker 2: or could we do it? So we look at every

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Speaker 2: they don't want that. They turned that down. They get

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Speaker 2: limit from what we've been told, right, So what do

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Speaker 2: you do when the ballot has more deserving names. It's awful, awful,

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Speaker 2: awful to send that ballot off and realize the people

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Speaker 2: people who think Hall of Fame vating, voting is fun,

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Speaker 2: it's easy. Look, it's a privilege, But it is so

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Speaker 2: hard when you hold that ballot in your hands, because

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Speaker 2: it's not just about clicking a box. This is about

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Speaker 2: lives and legacies. This is life changing when these guys

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Speaker 1: And it creates really good content.

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Speaker 2: Stop it craps.

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Speaker 1: It creates really good content and discussion and debate about

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Speaker 1: our sport. Yeah, I'm frustrated too that they don't extend

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Speaker 1: it past ten, but I get what the concept is

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Speaker 1: for them, like figure it out in ten and if not,

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Speaker 1: then we debate it and we talk about it on

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Speaker 1: shows like this. So Jason, I would say, get some rest.

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Speaker 1: You seem well rested, full of energy. I know this

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Speaker 1: Game seven and the entire postseason probably gave you even

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Speaker 1: more energy. So thank you for stopping by. It was

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Speaker 1: much needed. Your our historian for sure on this, so

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Speaker 1: appreciate you and everyone check out his article which has

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Speaker 1: much more in the Athletic in terms of the historical

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Speaker 1: perspective on what we saw from the World Series. Thanks Jason,

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Speaker 1: good to see it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you too. Always great to visit Foul Territory. See

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Speaker 2: you guys,