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Speaker 1: podcasts three and out. It is Sunday. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: to talk about. Listen, Let's let's start with a non

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Speaker 1: competitive game. Rams forty two, Niners twenty. It's just amazing.

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Speaker 1: The Rams are the least penalized team in the league.

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Speaker 1: No penalties in this This is one of those things

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Speaker 1: when I used to cover the Patriots, right I was

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Speaker 1: a stickham thing? People would field on the ball? An

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Speaker 1: they're well coached the Rams for the second year of

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Speaker 1: the least penalized team, you go into a heated rivalry game,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the forty nine ers. Their defense is

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Speaker 2: And that's essentially what the Rams did. And Stafford is

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Speaker 2: He's probably had some years. I have to really dive in,

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Speaker 2: Remember McVeigh all offseason said, listen, we value what because

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Speaker 2: of our money situation, we are underpaying Matt Stafford and

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Speaker 2: we technically have to underpay him. We know he's better

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Speaker 2: I mean, Trevor Lawrence makes more than him, right, Tua

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Speaker 1: Oh and the Niners will get calls on Matt Jones.

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Speaker 2: And they'll say and Kyle, Kyle's been open about it.

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Speaker 1: Colin no no, I mean I'm impressed with mac Jones.

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Speaker 1: that's the the opposite of the script. Those were crucial

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw some of that Wisconsin. You know,

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Speaker 2: don't judge scores. You know you're not gonna hit many

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Speaker 2: How are the Bears going to score? But then it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nothing on these New York football teams. It's

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Speaker 2: five touchdowns, who's gonna throw forty again? And now he

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Speaker 2: gets this. This kid's over his head. You know that

426
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Speaker 2: this is a situation that listen. It's not his career's

427
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Speaker 2: not written, you know, his second year in his career,

428
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Speaker 2: but twenty thirty years ago, this guy sitting for two

429
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Speaker 2: or three years. This guy's never touching the field. And

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Speaker 2: he's on the field on a team with a lot

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Speaker 2: of good players, a great coaching staff. I mean, their

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Speaker 2: defense was playing their ass off as long as they could.

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Speaker 2: But your quarterback, he threw two that even I think

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Speaker 2: Moose Johnson was calling the game, He's like, on one,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what he's looking at there. You

436
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Speaker 2: cannot throw that ball that the two DB's Willie Mays

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Speaker 2: catch just right in their hands. They both led, they

438
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Speaker 2: both went the field goals. Now they ended up losing

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Speaker 2: by eight, and I think they had another like a

440
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 2: kickoff return they fumbled that they scored immediately. So turnovers

441
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Speaker 2: kill them. But two of them directly on JJ McCarthy

442
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Speaker 2: that are just basically acting as punts. And I just

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Speaker 2: think when you start losing high character guys on your team.

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Speaker 2: I don't really blame Jefferson here, like I can't battle

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Speaker 2: for this guy, you know, I don't think he's good enough,

446
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Speaker 2: and we saw it. I keep bringing this up because

447
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Speaker 2: I was around this team a lot. When you have

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Speaker 2: a team that views themselves as like a bunch of

449
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Speaker 2: pro bowlers that can compete, and the forty nine ers,

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Speaker 2: like their star players never bought in. It's not that

451
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Speaker 2: they're not nice, they don't like the guy personally, but

452
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Speaker 2: if you're not good enough, like this is a production

453
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Speaker 2: based business, it's pretty black white. You can either play

454
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Speaker 2: or you can't. The Bears are a good example of

455
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Speaker 2: like their standard's not that high, Like if they get

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Speaker 2: to eight or nine wins this year, that's a success.

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Speaker 2: The bike exists. Won fourteen and we're sixteen minutes away

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Speaker 2: from being the number one seed. Soessin, Jefferson goes, I

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Speaker 2: got this kid. We have to hold his hand. Who

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Speaker 2: cannot I mean, playing a real opponent at home, that

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Speaker 2: was the other thing. We're playing a real opponent at

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Speaker 2: home and a big underdog with this guy.

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Speaker 1: And John operationally eight false starts at home. That's like

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Speaker 1: a college quarterback playing at Georgia. Well, you're overwhelmed. You

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Speaker 1: can't hear. The whole thing is a mess. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it's one of those things where players talk to your

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Speaker 1: point earlier. They know what Donald's doing. Donald's been the

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Speaker 1: number one ranked PFF quarterback for like a month. I

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Speaker 1: mean I watched him today. He has the weirdest turnovers.

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Speaker 1: By the way the ball ricocheted off his tight ends

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Speaker 1: helmet for an interception. Donald has the weirdest turnovers in

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Speaker 1: the league. But you can't, you can't. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the thing about Baltimore is they was field goal, field goal,

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Speaker 1: field goal. But one of the things about Baltimore is

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Speaker 1: they just keep coming at you. That that team is

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Speaker 1: just kind of a relentless attack. I mean, God, remember

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago when they played the Bears

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Speaker 1: with Tyler Hontley the backup, and you're like, Jesus, this

479
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Speaker 1: is an incredible effort. Baltimore has got a culture that's

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Speaker 1: been built for years, and they even in that first

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Speaker 1: half when Brian floores, he's given him trouble. They just

482
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Speaker 1: can't quite move the chains. They just keep getting points

483
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Speaker 1: and points, and then all of a sudden you look up.

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Speaker 1: They blow. You know, a couple of big plays and

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Speaker 1: it's over. Yeah. I respect the Colts. They just moved

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Speaker 1: off Anthony Richardson. I respect Kyle Shanahan, he just moved

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Speaker 1: off Trey Lance. I think at the end of the

488
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Speaker 1: year you let him play the rest of the season.

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Speaker 1: Between the injuries and what I'm watching off the first

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Speaker 1: scripted drive, it just doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: You can't fool me, like you said with the comedian analogy,

492
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Speaker 2: like it's not even you just got to watch them

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Speaker 2: and as the game goes, he can make a good play,

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Speaker 2: and then he makes two horrendous plays and the interceptions

495
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: of just throwing yolo balls. The Ravens are healthy now

496
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Speaker 2: relative you know, beside the guys on an injury reserve.

497
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Speaker 2: So who are as two interceptions to Stark's first rounder

498
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Speaker 2: from Georgia. And Marlon Humphrey is one of the more

499
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Speaker 2: versatile dbs in the league. So it's like you're playing

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Speaker 2: those type guys. This is real. This is no longer

501
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Speaker 2: You're not getting Rutgers here on a Saturday at one o'clock.

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Speaker 2: This is Marlon Humphrey, mckaye Starks, John Harbaugh, Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 2: They're fighting for their lives. Right, He's a team over

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Speaker 2: the last couple of years who has been They would say,

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Speaker 2: we just haven't figured out in the playoffs, but we

506
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Speaker 2: have been the chiefs equal, you know, one through seventeen

507
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Speaker 2: throughout the season, right, but we just we are better

508
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Speaker 2: than you. And there's no way this essentially a rookie quarterback.

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Speaker 2: And as the game went on. That's the one thing

510
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Speaker 2: with football, right, anyone that gambles knows this. You can't

511
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Speaker 2: get too excited after a quarter Let the game play out.

512
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Speaker 2: The cream usually rises, you know, the more pressure comes

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Speaker 2: on a quarterback. They keep bringing different looks and I

514
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Speaker 2: think the vice kings, listen, we all make decisions. Some

515
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Speaker 2: of them don't work. That's a pretty that's a decision

516
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Speaker 2: that's gonna be hard to live with for a while.

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Speaker 2: The Sam Darnold situation, because one thing, if like, hey,

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Speaker 2: the Seattle gave him two hundred million dollars, it would

519
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Speaker 2: have ruined a role. They gave him fifty five million

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Speaker 2: dollars guaranteed. And like you said, he's been one of,

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Speaker 2: if not the best, quart Like he's playing at a

522
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Speaker 2: level that's no different than good Mahomes, good Allen, like

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Speaker 2: he's an elite player. It's and now you got this

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Speaker 2: guy because you drafted him really high. Who's You're not

525
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Speaker 2: gonna make the playoffs this year? I mean, they got

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Speaker 2: a game I think this upcoming week, or maybe they're

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Speaker 2: on a I'm pretty sure they played this upcoming week

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Speaker 2: against the Bears. I mean that's you know, now the

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Speaker 2: Bears are gonna have a lot to play for because

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Speaker 2: early that's Week one kind of embarrassed them. They got

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Speaker 2: some momentum coming in. JJ's kind of out of point.

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Speaker 2: You've been talking about this. You kind of get till

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving your second year. Now, I think they would say

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00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: he didn't get his first year, but like you think

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Speaker 2: they're just gonna roll it out again year three. That's

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Speaker 2: that's just not the way the league works. It's a

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Speaker 2: pet peeve of mine when people say, like no one

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Speaker 2: has any patience anymore. Well, yeah, the league in like

539
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven, the teams were worth like one hundred

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Speaker 2: million dollars. They're now worth seven billion dollars. They're paying

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Speaker 2: people one hundred and fifty million dollars. Well, yes, patients

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Speaker 2: is shorter, welcome to twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Well, the other thing John is, you shouldn't have as

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Speaker 1: much patience because these quarterbacks come in with ten thousand throws.

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Speaker 1: They have private coaches, the seven on seven camps. This

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Speaker 1: is not the Eli Manning era. This is the Arch

547
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Speaker 1: Manning era where you're making six million dollars in college

548
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Speaker 1: private coaching. Sometimes you fly private jet. You can get

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Speaker 1: places faster. So I've always said Thanksgiving, second year, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to my GM in the room and talent. It

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Speaker 1: used to be I want three full seasons. I'll give

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Speaker 1: you three full seasons unless you're just absolutely out of

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Speaker 1: your mind overmatched. So I don't have a problem with

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Speaker 1: And you also say, well he hasn't been healthy. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of a you problem. Like I had nothing against

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Speaker 1: brock Purty, but you know who was always healthy mostly

557
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Speaker 1: was Brady and Big Ben and Brett Favre. And those

558
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Speaker 1: guys are healthy because they're durable. You know, Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: doesn't get hurt. He's big and strong. That's one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons, John, that traits matter, size matters, thickness matters.

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Speaker 1: I remember when Matt Ryan came out. I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: like everything about him. He looks like a four iron,

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Speaker 1: Like he just Now, Matt was one of those get

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Speaker 1: goff by the way, never gets hurt, has a thin frame. Dude.

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Speaker 1: It cal was raggalled three years. Never gets hurt. I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry JJ McCarthy struggled with injuries. And now for our

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Speaker 1: next segment, Whiskey Business. Yes, Whiskey Business, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Green River Whiskey, the official whiskey of the Colin

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Speaker 1: Coward Podcast. Okay, New England twenty eight Tampa twenty three,

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Speaker 1: Tampa on a bye took a seven tozh in lead,

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Speaker 1: and that was about the only time you thought they

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Speaker 1: were the better team. So, I mean, it's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: I've been waiting for New England Trayvon Henderson to play more.

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Speaker 1: I loved him aout Ohio State today. A couple of

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Speaker 1: big runs. They have running back injuries and Mike Rabel

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Speaker 1: wants I think Rabel's a little bit like Belichick in

577
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Speaker 1: which is just because you're a great rookie or top pick,

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Speaker 1: you have to earn your way, You have to earn time,

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Speaker 1: and if you don't block, if you don't pass block

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Speaker 1: particularly well. A lot of these NFL coaches, John, they

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Speaker 1: don't care where you're drafted. As a running back, like,

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Speaker 1: they won't play until you can block late Corum. Last

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Speaker 1: year they won't play it. So Travon Henderson, who I

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Speaker 1: thought was a pretty good blocker out of Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: he got some carries today. Holy shit, boy, he is

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Speaker 1: he is? He pops. The other thing that I watched

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Speaker 1: with New England Williams, the young receiver, the complete burner.

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Speaker 1: Remember remember him, Washington State?

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Speaker 2: Yep, he.

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Speaker 1: Was a blur on TV. But you know what I

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Speaker 1: noticed in this game. This just may be me, but

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Speaker 1: it was almost like Drake May was in Baker's head.

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Speaker 1: Like Baker has a lot of confidence, and Drake May

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Speaker 1: is just making plays and he's making big throws. And

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Speaker 1: they take a lea and it's in Tampa and it's

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Speaker 1: Baker's house, and Baker was like running more than he

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Speaker 1: should run. He was he was. Baker was doing a

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Speaker 1: little too much to me, running around in the pocket

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Speaker 1: looking for the big play downfield. Now, Tampa's a big playoffense.

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Speaker 1: But you I mean, watching that game, watching Drake May,

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Speaker 1: I kept asking myself, is New England the best team

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Speaker 1: in the AFC? Certainly?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean when they're in first place in their division,

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Speaker 2: you know, with the Bills, who last week we thought

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Speaker 2: could win the Super Bowl, and it turns out they

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Speaker 2: just play up for Kansas City and then down to

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Speaker 2: whoever else they're play. I mean, they got curb stomped

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Speaker 2: today today. It was a big swing in that in

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Speaker 2: that division. And like you said, I think the knock

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Speaker 2: that people had on New England was they're just not

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Speaker 2: gonna have enough speed and skill guys on offense. I

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Speaker 2: did the same thing and I just looked up when

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Speaker 2: you were talking. Kyle Williams ran a four to four

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Speaker 2: to zero with the combine. You know, Henderson ran a

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Speaker 2: four to four to three. It feels like when he's

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Speaker 2: in the open field he plays faster. So you got

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Speaker 2: two young players who what I think Henderson had a

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Speaker 2: fifty five yard run today and a seventy yard runing

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Speaker 2: Kyle Williams, and he is.

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Speaker 1: A big, fast athlete.

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Speaker 2: I do think Tampa has been a little house of

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Speaker 2: cards right They have a bunch of injuries right now.

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Speaker 2: They're just not quite the same thing, same team. Mike

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Speaker 2: Evans is there's an element to him of like the

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Speaker 2: heartbeat of their offense. When he's in there, he just

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Speaker 2: gives them a safety net He's almost like what George

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Speaker 2: Kittle is the forty nine ers. Now he's gone. I

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Speaker 2: mean they're depending on young wide receivers. I just think

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Speaker 2: Baker feels like I have to carry us. It almost

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Speaker 2: feels like a throwback to a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 2: and he's kind of had to do that all season, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean they started when they start four and oh,

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Speaker 2: it's all the comeback touchdown drives. I thought the bigger

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Speaker 2: if they could get Henderson going with Kyle Williams. What

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Speaker 2: a stud Mike Vrable is. I mean, this guy's got

636
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Speaker 2: a harbought touch, comes in there immediately. I understand their

637
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: schedule has been easy, but when you watch him play,

638
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: it's not like they're just easing into these victories like

639
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: that was. We're in control. We have some young, explosive players,

640
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: and we have turned this quarterback immediately into an MVP candidate.

641
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt like the Buffalo game. You're like, oh,

642
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: New England's better than Buffalo. Like New England after Baker

643
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: hit Mecha Abuka, you're like, oh, seven to nothing in Tampa.

644
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: From that point on, New England was the better football team.

645
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: Control the game.

646
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: I've known Sean for a long time, and I like him,

647
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: and I know a lot of people I think yourself

648
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: included just over the time, like is this guy good

649
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: enough for Josh Allen? Today was a moment where you're like,

650
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 2: is this guy better than Mike Vrabel? Moving forward? And

651
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: is in this safe situation where is Sean McDermott if

652
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: they are a one and done team and all of

653
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: a sudden Mike Vrabel's in the second round or somehow

654
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: is in the third round playing the Chiefs or something.

655
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: Is this going to end the Bills coaches tenuere because

656
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: of Mike Vrabel? He might be that powerful?

657
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: Well, I think about it, like Kyle Williams. They haven't

658
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: played him. I mean that's been one of the things everybody,

659
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: myself included. Kyle Williams is your fastest, most dynamic receiver.

660
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: He got a ball down the sideline today. It looked

661
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: like a track meet. It looked like the combine run.

662
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: You're like, holy sh he was good and then gone.

663
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: So the thing is, you're a Patriot fan, is Williams

664
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: and Trevon Henderson they're just now playing regularly. So it's

665
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: like you know and and Rabel. You know Kyle Williams

666
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: may not want to block. He's kind of a thin guy.

667
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: He may not be a blocker. One of the reads.

668
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: You hear this all the time, like tight ends have

669
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: to block. Receivers don't, especially the fast ones and running backs,

670
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: the gifted ones. So you know, I bet you that

671
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: some of this with Rabel is listen, you're we're not

672
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: putting you back there by Drake May If you aren't picking,

673
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, you're not stopping people in the a gap,

674
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: Like we're just stop putting on the field because his

675
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: talents so remarkable. He just pops when you give him

676
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: the ball. And I just watched them today. I'm like, oh,

677
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: wait a minute, we haven't seen the best of New

678
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: England because these two players change the offense.

679
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: I think defensive coaches tend to be like, uh, you

680
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: know parents from the fifty sixties, you know, kind of

681
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: driving a hard line, right, you know, most offensive coaches

682
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 2: if this guy, if those two guys had been around

683
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell, Sean McVeigh, Kyle shanahan, more than likely some

684
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: of their deficiencies might have still got them some packages.

685
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: Defensive guys do not care they have and it's it's

686
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: always the tug and pull between offensive and defensive guys

687
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: when they're on the same staff. You know, when one

688
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: guy's a head coach, I think offensive coaches and you've

689
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: known some over the years, I'm sure that have complained

690
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: about their defensive head coach vice versa. I think the

691
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 2: defensive head coach sometimes wants them to be a little

692
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 2: more conservative. There's always kind of a little tuggle war there.

693
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: But I think when you have guys, you know what

694
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: Mike Vrabel does, You know, he does feel a little

695
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: like he's got the old school hard ass and BELICHICKI

696
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 2: into him, but he also feels kind of like new

697
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: and relevant. The way the guys like him, the way

698
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 2: he's hugging up guys, He's kind of got this perfect blend.

699
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: He just feels pretty damn good. And this team was

700
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: so bad, not just last year with girod Mail, for

701
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: the last couple of years of Belichick. I mean, this

702
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 2: team wasn't like a one year train wreck. It felt

703
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: like they had about what like thirty six months of

704
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: being like the butt of the league, Like from a

705
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: joke standpoint, So what he has done from a culture standpoint,

706
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: let alone on the field. I mean Drake May went

707
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: from like, hey, he's got some talent. Holy shit, this guy.

708
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: A pro bowler hit by the way, and today Drake

709
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: wasn't seventy five percent completion. Todd Bowles is one of

710
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: the smartest defensive guys in the league. He and Brian

711
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: Flories dial up some of the nastiest plitzes. And Tampa

712
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: was on a buy. That was a hard spot for

713
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: Drake May. That was a that's I took Tampa today.

714
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: It's the one game I lost. I thought on off

715
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: of buy. Second year quarterback Todd Bowles Vida Villa, you

716
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: won't be able to run. I'm like, oh, it's gonna

717
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: be a problem. This is a rough spot. And Drake

718
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: didn't play his best game. I think he had a

719
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: pick at one point and wrote it and wrote it

720
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: down and not a great pick. But it's like, listen, hardball,

721
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: Sean Peyton, Mike Frable, just pay eighteen million bucks and

722
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: get the right coach, don't don't Brian Schottenheimer and he

723
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: just just go you know when these everybody wants to

724
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: go with coordinators. And don't get me wrong, Ben Johnson

725
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: or Shane Steike and were so respected throughout the league

726
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: and had done so well as coordinate. I mean we

727
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: used to on a regular basis every week talk about

728
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson when he was with the Lions. We're like,

729
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: who is this guy? This offense is crazy. Shane Steiken

730
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: first year had Herbert out of college. I mean, Tom

731
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: tellsko is like at maybe the smartest offensive coach I've

732
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: ever been around. So there are some coordinators that come in.

733
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we know what Stikeen did with Philadelphia. We

734
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: took over to play calling and Philadelphia went from meh

735
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: to super Bowl. But by and large, you know, there's

736
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: only a few guarantees in the league, and one of

737
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: them is you go get these successful coaches. I've said

738
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: this with Mike McCarthy, and I don't think he's nearly

739
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: as good as Peyton, Harball or Vrabel. Mike McCarthy would

740
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: clean the Jets up. They wouldn't be great, but he'd

741
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: clean them up.

742
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 2: They look like I'd say giants too, if they're gonna

743
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: fire a table.

744
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean McCarthy's a pro. He may be a

745
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: number two starter. You know, he's not Yoshi, but he's

746
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,360
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747
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Speaker 1: in a bottle. Today. Miami thirty, Buffalo thirteen. It was

753
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: sixteen nothing Dolphins at half. An interesting number is Josh

754
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: Allen had three point five to three seconds to throw.

755
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: That's his highest since twenty eighteen. Nobody's open, so they

756
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 1: didn't make a big move at the trade deadline, and

757
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: I think everybody thought they should probably add a piece

758
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: because Kansas City's defense. But they had ninety yards at half.

759
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: They didn't have a they didn't pick up a first

760
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: down on third in the first half. And this is

761
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: a Miami team we thought quit three weeks ago. We

762
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: always talk about quarterbacks. You get until the second year,

763
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving second year. I think we've just got to be

764
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: brutally honest with Sean McDermott here. It's not just Kansas City.

765
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: There's just too many games where you're just like, I mean,

766
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 1: Buffalo should never look like that ever, they should never

767
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: look like that.

768
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: I understand in college when you have a two top

769
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: ten teams play each other, and then the following week

770
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: you're playing a two win team and you're tied at halftime.

771
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: Like these nineteen year old guys. This is a team

772
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: that's now for the last five years, been one of

773
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: the top what two or three teams in the entire league.

774
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: And they've got older players here. Man, They've got a

775
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: lot of twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine year olds.

776
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: The coach has been there, I think since twenty seventeen.

777
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: Josh has now been the starter for a long time.

778
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: It's not just on Sean, it's also you know the quarterback,

779
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: you know, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady. They take a lot

780
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: of that responsibility as well. So today was embarrassing. I

781
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: mean it truly was. It was. It should have been

782
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: fourteen nothing. I think the kicker missed an extra point.

783
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 2: It was fourteen nothing or thirteen nothing for you even

784
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: blinked two, had a couple. He threw a beautiful touchdown

785
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: pass to Jalen Waddle, Yes, and it was like, okay,

786
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: fourteen nothing or thirteen nothing. Bill starts slow. I've seen

787
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: them happen and then ended up winning thirty five to

788
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: twenty or something. And they never got out of the

789
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: malaise and it started raining. It was probably humid, and

790
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: they just looked lifeless. Josh threw one of the worst

791
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: interceptions I've ever seen him throw. I don't know if

792
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: he's on the wrong page with the wider. You just

793
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 2: threw it right to the to the wide receipts or

794
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: to the cornerback. They had an awful fumble early in

795
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: the game when they were driving. They just looked lost.

796
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: And that's the type game when your main rival, now

797
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 2: who's back is winning and now has a lead, kind

798
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: of a commanding lead because they already beat you, and

799
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: their scheduled so easy, so they're not going away, and

800
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: you just look big picture, this is going to be

801
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: the worst team of the Verbel Era for the next

802
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: couple of years when you factor in how young it is. Right,

803
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: you just listened to a couple guys that just started

804
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 2: playing their left tackle. It's his rookie year. Their quarterback

805
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: is a second year. This is the first year of

806
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 2: the coaching staffs together. So like their aros pointing up,

807
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 2: and I think it kind of reflects that the Bills

808
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: can really get up for the Chiefs, and for whatever reason,

809
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: I remember hearing like Houston Rockets, maybe because Kenny Smith say,

810
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 2: you know, the sad part is right when we got

811
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: good Jordan retired, they could never stop a keeam and

812
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: we always played the Bulls well, and if we ever

813
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: saw them, we would have stopped that streak because they

814
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: would have had no shot because they had no center.

815
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: We were a team that we played them really well.

816
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 2: And some in basketball it happens a lot, right your

817
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: matchup football kind of happens sometimes, but if you're good

818
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: enough whatever. For whatever reason, the Bills match up because

819
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: their pass rush is good. They treat that game in

820
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: the regular season like the super Bowl. They just look

821
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 2: like the best team in the league when they play

822
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: the Chiefs. Yep, before and after then they look much

823
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: more pedestrian. Today though was I don't know. I mean,

824
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: I felt like it was one of the more embarrassing

825
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 2: performances of the Allen Sean McDermott little air.

826
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Speaker 1: Or I think it may be the most. I thought

827
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: maybe they lost a few years ago at home on

828
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: the opener to the Steelers and they were a favorite,

829
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: and I was like what in the hell is that.

830
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: I thought that game against the Saints this year it

831
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: was competitive. I was like, what would bother me today?

832
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: Is that Miami in the first half averaged six and

833
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: a half yards of play. So in my take is

834
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 1: it would be one thing if the offense sputtered your

835
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: defensive coach, John, I've been on this forever. What do

836
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: you do with your side of the ball? That wasn't

837
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: just Josh Allen like that defense had no energy? That defense,

838
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: I mean it just they generated this incredible pass rush

839
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: against Kansas City and really, I mean two is one

840
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: of the easiest guys to rush in the league, and

841
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: he had time to throw. They ran the ball?

842
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: Is in New England? Are you taking New England? As

843
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: we said here today? Do you think New England?

844
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: New England's got the better coach? I think New England

845
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: and now with Williams and Trayvon Henderson, it's like, oh,

846
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: I feel like New England now is on the up,

847
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: like they're an AS sending team. I don't think Buffalo is.

848
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: I mean we forget before that Kansas City game, I

849
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: mean we'd seen them Buffalo go to Atlanta and get worked.

850
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean they've had that Saints game they want at home.

851
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: Was troubling, Like they've had a lot of Somebody told

852
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: me this in the league at the beginning of the year.

853
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: They said, Buffalo doesn't have nearly the roster people give

854
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: it credit for. They're like James Cook, Josh Allen Oliver,

855
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: the defensive lineman, who's hurt, Like, who's hurt? They're like,

856
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: you know, Dawkins the left tackle. I was talking to

857
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: an execut in the league and he's like, you know,

858
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: he goes the better rosters or the Rams and the

859
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: Eagles and the Lions and the Packers and Kansas Cities

860
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: like Raven. He's like, Buffalo's roster is not that good.

861
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: Josh left tackle, quarterback, running back, interior d lineman. That's

862
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: why they went and got Bosa. I mean, they've drafted

863
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of draft capital on their defense.

864
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: That's why they went and got Bosa, who played well

865
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: against you know, Kansas City, But okay, Seattle forty four,

866
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: Arizona twenty two. It was thirty five nothing, So you know,

867
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: it's just impossible to keep that up. And Darnold had

868
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: a couple of just like funny, like bizarre turnovers. That

869
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: ball bounces off a tight end's helmet. You know I'm

870
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: gonna throw this to you. I got Pete Carroll and

871
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: John Snyder. You know this battled. They battled, and there

872
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: was a little tug of war on Pete's kid and

873
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: John Snyder. And I'm not going to go into too

874
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 1: many details, but Pete and John John almost left for Detroit,

875
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: remember that years ago because he wanted his final say Well,

876
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: since Pete's been out of the building, John Snyder's two

877
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: drafts have been a plus, a plus he is now

878
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: doing and I think John, Jason Light, Howie Roseman, how

879
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: he's a deal maker. I'm not sure there's many guys

880
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: better than John Snyder. A just personnel, college personnel drafting it.

881
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of guys better. Again, I think

882
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: Jason Light and Tampa's are really good. That's Seattle roster.

883
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: I wrote this down young, fast, physical. You can turn

884
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: the sound down. John against Washington and against Arizona. It

885
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: looks like a college mismatch. They are so fast, they

886
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: are so physical. Donald's in total control of the offense.

887
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: Play action, run game, deep game. I don't see the whole.

888
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: I really don't see the whole With this team. They

889
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: drafted that safety. That kid's a banger of the South

890
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: Carolina safety. I don't see the weakness with the team.

891
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 2: I think the point of difference they have that obviously

892
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 2: play the Rams this upcoming week, which is an incredible game,

893
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: is their dbs are good and the Rams aren't. I

894
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: think that's the difference because the offenses are both elite,

895
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: pass rushes are awesome. Coaching staff's high end. If you

896
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: and me were the NFL, like in college, how they

897
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: have the College Football Committee and he rank them one

898
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 2: through twelve. I would rank Seattle after this week number one.

899
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: They would be my number one team, and you just

900
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: if you just watch them without the sound on. Obviously today,

901
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: but over the last couple of weeks, the team speed

902
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: in which they had. I think the Lob team with

903
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 2: Pete was probably the most physical team I've ever seen live.

904
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: I do think the fastest team I've ever seen live

905
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: is the Peyton Manning Denver Broncos. Their defense, every single

906
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,919
Speaker 2: guy could run fast defensive lot. It was DeMarcus Ware,

907
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 2: von Miller, Wolf, Malik Jackson, Trevathan They had a key

908
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: to leap, but their speed and physicality was just I've

909
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: never seen anything, and I've saw them live a bunch

910
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: of times. This team has some similarities to those two teams. Yeah,

911
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: who are kind of taking the league by storm. Every guy,

912
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,959
Speaker 2: I mean, like you said em and Worry he's like six.

913
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: He is their potential Kyle Hamilton. But they already had

914
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: some good dbs, right they drafted the kid Witherspoon from Illinois.

915
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,479
Speaker 2: They already had woolin. Obviously, their their linebacker play is fast.

916
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: Once they got Ernest Jones, they're they're head coach. I mean,

917
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 2: we talk so much, and rightfully so about these offensive coaches.

918
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: He's got a chance to be pretty special. His demeanor,

919
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 2: he has a very modern demeanor, you know, like when

920
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: you watch Rabel. Rabel is not the throwback of like

921
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: what I grew up on, guys screaming. He doesn't he's

922
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: not is maybe he's a players coach. Yeah, when the

923
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: doors are shut, I think he's on him in the meetings.

924
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 2: But on the sideline, he's very common collected. I would say,

925
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald. It almost feels like is he on a

926
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: couple of zanies or something like it show? But he

927
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: he there's no he because he knows like he is

928
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: he is very common. His team reflects that, and I

929
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: would say this, they are personnel of trading Gino and

930
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: signing Sam. Has got a chance to be an all timer.

931
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: I mean, that's got a chance to be because they

932
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: didn't give Sam. I mean he's gonna end up probably.

933
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: I mean, he's not going anywhere for a while. They

934
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: gave him one hundred million dollars over three years. I

935
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: mean it's relative to the other contracts we've seen Colin around.

936
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: Well, it's five million guaranteed, so the salary, the cap

937
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: hit is just nothing.

938
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: JSN looks like Jerry Rice. I knew the guy was good,

939
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: but this year he is. It's like Pooka by the way,

940
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: right when, but now this guy was. We knew more

941
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: about JSN than Puka because he Ohio State and first

942
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: round pick, but you knew after a couple of weeks.

943
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: Puka was a rookie, Like is this real? And then

944
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: it just never stopped, you know, jas N like is

945
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: he really this good? And every single week it's like

946
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: he's unstoppable.

947
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: And JSN was like a five star recruit. First round

948
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: I think it was a first round.

949
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 2: Receive hit twenty.

950
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, the only question was is he a one?

951
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: Everybody knew it was really good. Now you're like, yeah,

952
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: he's just contest catches speed. Then they go get Rashid's

953
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: heat from New Orleans and you know that he now

954
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: has the offensive coordinator that he had in New Orleans.

955
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: Now he's in Seattle again. This is a big play offense.

956
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: What I like about Seattle they can grind you down.

957
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: If they have a lead, they can run the football

958
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: up they have a lead. They are a big play offense.

959
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: They can play from behind. You know, I'm just I'm

960
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: writing this down throughout the course of the game. Jsan

961
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: first receiver to a thousand, It's not that weird with Seattle,

962
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: where they average six and a half to seven yards

963
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: of play like it happens regularly, and there is something

964
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: to be said of trusting your eyes. I think this

965
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: is now even more than Mike McDonald. I think it's

966
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: John Snyder's organization. And I've texted Snyder a couple of times.

967
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: He travels. I mean, he's at every weekend. He is

968
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: a you got to go to these games, Like they

969
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: always say, to sell a company, you have to take

970
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: a thousand meetings. John Snyder's on a plane every weekend.

971
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: He doesn't scout off the TV or film. He wants

972
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: to go to the games. And I mean, they're just

973
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: an when I watch them play. I'm like, when you're

974
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: a big playoffense and your quarterback has mobility, so you

975
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: can go down the field, the quarterback, you can move

976
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: the pocket, you can grind people with a lead. You know,

977
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: it's like Detroit if Goff had mobility, and that's the

978
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: whole like GoF doesn't, but Detroit's a big playoffense and

979
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: can grind you down. Just think of Detroit's offense and

980
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 1: then if Jared Goff could move, you'd be like, shit,

981
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: what do you do? But we've seen Detroit do that

982
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 1: for three years. I think Seattle like, if you don't

983
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: pay attention like we do, obviously, people that do this

984
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: for a living shit, man, they're embarrassing teams these How

985
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: often do you get a thirty five nothing lead in

986
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: the first half of a pro football game?

987
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: And Arizona had been playing well, even their record's not

988
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 2: that great, they have been in every single game they

989
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: played this year. A week ago, they easily could be

990
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 2: you know, coming into this game, they could have been

991
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: six and three. I would say. The thing with John Schneider,

992
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: when you think about we talk about offensive coaches, You're like,

993
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 2: if JJ can't play for Kevin O'Connell, that's a JJ issue,

994
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: not a Kevin issue. Right. If you can't play for

995
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan, that's a you issue because and and that

996
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: skill is why those guys are going to be paid

997
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: at the top of the market until they retire from

998
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: the NFL. John Schneider start, he was the guy that

999
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: pounded the table for peak against Pete Carroll for Russell

1000
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: Wilson and ultimately got him to relent and draft him. Obviously,

1001
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: that changed the course of their franchise when they pivoted

1002
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: off Russell. And remember John wanted to do it earlier,

1003
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 2: try to trade him to the Cleveland Browns so he

1004
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: could draft Josh Allen. That's what he was gonna take.

1005
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 2: Then he trades for Gino or he gets Gino as

1006
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: the backup, and they were cool with like, I think

1007
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: we can handle this for a little bit, and he

1008
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: was right. Gino was actually and they got Drew Locke.

1009
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: Remember they won a Monday night football game against the

1010
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: Eagles with Drew Locke, who is the worst of this

1011
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: whole group, and then he pivots to Sam Darnold. Like

1012
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 2: I would say as a quarterback evaluator, John schnyders as

1013
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: good as it gets from a GM perspective, and if

1014
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: that's gonna be the guy that you're gonna invest most

1015
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: of your money into as a franchise, his skill, let

1016
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,439
Speaker 2: alone his ability to build the team. It's I mean,

1017
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 2: this is now like how many different iterations of the team,

1018
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,479
Speaker 2: the lob team. Remember then they transitioned in the late

1019
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 2: twenty tens. They were still good. You know, they weren't.

1020
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 2: They weren't going to Super Bowls, but they were never

1021
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: They didn't have four win seasons. They were winning nine

1022
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 2: to eleven games. And now, I mean, what do they

1023
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: look like to you? A fourteen win team? Who's there

1024
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: if DeVante Adams who kind of hurt his back at

1025
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: the end of the game, we have to monitor that

1026
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: throughout the week. I like, see, I think that's gonna

1027
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: be a tough way tough ita.

1028
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: I do too, I would take it. I think the

1029
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: advantage of Darnold's mobility. I really think in these close games,

1030
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: your ability to roll the pocket and make plays, I

1031
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: think it matters because both those defensive fronts, especially the

1032
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: Rams get a pass rush, I'll take the mobile quarterback.

1033
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 2: One more thing. You know in the NFL, not all

1034
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: these teams have huge home field advantage. Just one of

1035
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: the advantages not having to get on a plane so

1036
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: it's easier on guy's body. Seattle, Arrowhead, Buffalo, there's a

1037
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: short list. So if they can get the number one

1038
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: seed or home field, it's a big advantage. In Philly,

1039
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: that place is hard to play in. If Seattle can

1040
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: get home playoff games, maybe because remember everyone beat up

1041
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: Sam and he didn't play well those last two games,

1042
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 2: but they were both on the road in Detroit, which

1043
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: is obviously a hard place to play.

1044
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: And then it was the biggest game. That was the

1045
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: biggest Lions game at home in probably twenty years.

1046
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: I would say, I'm forty years old. In my lifetime,

1047
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 2: it didn't get any bigger, and he played bad. And

1048
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 2: then remember the playoff game because they lose, they're supposed

1049
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: to come to The Rams have to play in Arizona

1050
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: because of the fires. If they get home playoff games,

1051
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna like Sam Darnold's chances more because i think

1052
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 2: people are like, what's he gonna do? In the playoffs, Like,

1053
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think he'll be okay this time.

1054
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: If they're gonna puk like this, well, it's a long flight.

1055
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: It's right on the Puget Sound and that I grew

1056
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: up there. It's a wet, c old rain, it's windy,

1057
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: it's on the sound. It's tough, and Darnald, by the way,

1058
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: has got a big arm and they run the ball.

1059
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: Donald's ball is gonna split through the cold weather. Like

1060
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: if you come up there, you better be ready to

1061
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: throw it because that ball it's windy and wet in

1062
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest. I want to talk about this game.

1063
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: It was the first game today in overtime. Colts come

1064
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,479
Speaker 1: back thirty one to twenty four over the Falcons. Two

1065
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: things jumped out to me. One will get to later.

1066
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 1: Pannicks off target throws. There must have been eight to ten,

1067
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: like really off off target. I will say this though

1068
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: the Coltstol line was not good. God Atlanta had seven sacks.

1069
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: So Daniel Jones, but he looked like the old Daniel Jones,

1070
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: like the fumble issues reverted and he just even when

1071
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: he got bumped out of bounce on he has a

1072
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: major fumble issue. But between you got to give Chris

1073
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: Ballard credit because they were missing some people today. Jonathan

1074
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: Taylor right now is probably the best back in the league.

1075
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: Warren is a pro bowler at tight end. He made

1076
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: a huge, huge catch late in the fourth quarter. I

1077
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: almost thought they won despite Daniel Jones today. I really

1078
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: I felt that.

1079
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: I totally agree. I thought I'm watching the game at

1080
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: the gym the second half because early I it was

1081
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 2: easier to get up because it starts a seven thirty

1082
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 2: when the clocks moved back from me and Indy came

1083
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 2: out and just rolling and I was like, Ah, they're

1084
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 2: gonna They're gonna blow him out. And then they started

1085
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: blitzing Daniel Jones. He started. I mean, he had some

1086
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: bad He had an awful fumble where he just gets

1087
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 2: He had kind of looked.

1088
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: Like the horrible He had three sacks in this game

1089
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: where he looked like a rookie. It's like Daniel get

1090
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: rid of the ball.

1091
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: It felt like they played like nineteen ninety six football

1092
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 2: are running back and our tight end is gonna carry us.

1093
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: We're not gonna throw these bombs d Alex Pierce. We

1094
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: don't have any time to protect and Jonathan Taylor I

1095
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 2: thought today officially like threw his hat in the ring

1096
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: like he's an MVP candidate. If this team's gonna win

1097
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: thirteen or fourteen games, like you're gonna run for two

1098
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 2: thousand eat single handedly carry him and Warren. I mean

1099
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: those two, combination of those two guys, I thought might

1100
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: have ended. If you tell me we wake up in

1101
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: the morning run he Morris has been fired. It was

1102
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 2: because of those two guys today in Germany. So I'm

1103
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 2: with you. It's that the Warren pick God, he is

1104
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 2: his ball skills for a guy that big. I mean,

1105
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 2: Danie Jones clows it up in his vicinity. Who can

1106
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: cover him? There's dbs and linebackers aren't six foot five.

1107
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 2: You can't get up that the one you're talking about,

1108
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: he is so with his arms, yeah, he's probably I mean,

1109
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: how high do you think that ball is at seven

1110
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 2: feet in the air? When he talked about his arms

1111
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 2: extended and the Jonathan Taylor runs, what are you supposed

1112
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: to do? I mean, he's he's a dominant force. But

1113
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 2: that's a that's a big win because it felt like

1114
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: they were falling apart and then Atlanta, you know, takes

1115
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 2: and then you're like, God, they just traded a first

1116
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 2: round pick and saus getting cooked. He dropped a pick.

1117
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 2: You're like, this is not going well. I thought they're

1118
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: going to lose this game and the headline is going

1119
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 2: to be you just traded two first round picks for

1120
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 2: a guy that everyone says can't catch out. A ball

1121
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: just go right through his body and then basically a

1122
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: two point conversion. He's falling on the ground. You know,

1123
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: it's like this guy, if you can't cover to Daniel.

1124
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones does deserve credit. He had that last drive

1125
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: he had. He it was pretty good late in the

1126
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. That throw to Warren was a big time throwing,

1127
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: a big time catch. So Daniel and maybe at a

1128
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: hand sized thing. Daniel had a fumble problem in New

1129
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: York and it reared its head again today. So he's

1130
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: had a In fact, let me look this up. His

1131
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: turnovers the last two weeks have been absolutely atrocious.

1132
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: Hold, I think he's gonna be He's gonna be a

1133
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: guy in the first round. You know, let's say they're

1134
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 2: the two seed, they're gonna depending on who they're playing

1135
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: in some of these playoff matches. I think a lot

1136
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 2: of people are gonna bet against and the the headline

1137
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 2: is going to be I do not trust Daniel Jones

1138
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 2: in this playoff game.

1139
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 1: Seven giveaways in his last two games. So it's it's

1140
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: it's it's a natural regression. Though I don't want to

1141
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: overreact because he was virtually perfect and now all of

1142
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: a sudden, the Colts O line probably I didn't check

1143
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: their oline health, but probably missing a starter got worked

1144
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: a little today. Atlanta created great pressure. I mean the

1145
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: Colts OL line struggled.

1146
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 2: In Atlanta's defense in defense of them is actually not bad,

1147
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: and their pressure this year has been pretty good. They

1148
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: drafted a couple of guys in the first round. They

1149
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 2: have been feisty upfront. Honestly, the offense you had mentioned Penix,

1150
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 2: he has not looked good. You know, bo Nick has

1151
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 2: taken a lot of shit, and I'd say Penix looks

1152
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: as every bit as bad as him. His team's not

1153
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: as good, but he is skipping ball. And I'm a

1154
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: Penix guy.

1155
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: Or was so much.

1156
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: I probably have to be out that it's just not

1157
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: gonna work because a lot of people I know in

1158
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: the league Colin were not Penix people.

1159
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: Well, no, I and It's funny because I listen, third

1160
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: game this season for penis under one hundred and eighty

1161
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: passing yards, third game in a row under sixty percent completion.

1162
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: Remember he's twenty five years old, so he should be.

1163
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: He's had a lot of snaps. Between Indiana and Washington,

1164
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: he's had a lot of snaps. I mean it feels

1165
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: like to me, he also had you know, he had

1166
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: forty five starts in college. I thought he was more

1167
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: naturally accurate, Like I just thought he was one of

1168
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: those guys like C. J. Stroud. He justin Herbert. He

1169
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: just throws strikes. You know, he's just a pitcher that

1170
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: throws strikes and he misses a lot. And I mean

1171
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: John wild left, he must have skipped four balls today.

1172
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,919
Speaker 1: So it's not because he doesn't have the weapons. I mean,

1173
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: he's got two really good receivers. He got a star back.

1174
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,959
Speaker 1: I think their offensive line is okay. He gets decent protection. Again,

1175
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: it's eye test. I don't love what I see now. Again,

1176
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: he did not play last year, so I do feel

1177
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: like some is he hurrying stuff? And I do think

1178
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: he's he feels like he's hurrying stuff. But you you know,

1179
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: it's there's some wild pitches here pretty regularly.

1180
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 2: Well, remember he didn't get what he what was he

1181
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: sack like six times his senior year at Washington the

1182
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 2: year that they went to the National Championship. Remember he

1183
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 2: didn't get His offensive line won the whatever the moral

1184
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: award is. And you get hit a lot more in

1185
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 2: the NFL, and I feel like once he gets hit,

1186
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: it kind of throws him off. But twelve of twenty

1187
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: eight in an NFL game against the defense, he wasn't

1188
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 2: playing the Denver Broncos to day. One thing about Indianapolis,

1189
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 2: I wouldn't exactly call them the eighty five Bears on defense.

1190
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: Well, they like you say, they had Sauce Gardner, but

1191
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: there's a reason they went and got him. Like their

1192
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: defensive secondary John was all beat up. They were missing

1193
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: two starters.

1194
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: So I think the Pennix thing, ultimately, what is gonna

1195
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: get Rahee Morris and everyone in Atlanta fired, And it

1196
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 2: would get most people fired when you lose in the

1197
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: NFL because you've whiffed on the quarterback. They paid Kirk

1198
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 2: Cousins ninety million dollars for two years. Yep, you know

1199
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 2: that he has an under five hundred record and I

1200
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: think his tops down to interception ratio is essentially one

1201
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 2: to one, and got benched year one and they're paying

1202
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: almost thirty million dollars to be the backup. Mac Jones

1203
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 2: is making I think three million dollars this year. Kirk

1204
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: Cousins is making twenty seven point five. Cousin started one

1205
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: game and they got destroyed. That's a problem. And then

1206
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: the reason you you paid him, and then a month

1207
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 2: later you draft this guy. You like, we love this guy,

1208
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,919
Speaker 2: and you're watching these other court even JJ McCarthy, who

1209
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 2: I don't really like. I see more like his physical attributes.

1210
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: I'm watching Penis. I'm like, where is this arm? He

1211
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 2: had Ryan Grubb. Listen, Ryan Grubb and Seattle in the pros.

1212
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 2: He's never coached in the pros. It did not go well.

1213
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: I watched Ryan Grubb in college. I mean he had

1214
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 2: Ty Simpson LA yesterday slinging that thing against LSU. I go,

1215
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: Ryan Grubb's a big time coach, and I watch him

1216
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 2: with Zach Robinson coaching. Sometimes in the NFL, you're gonna

1217
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 2: get some not every guy is Bill Walsh and you

1218
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 2: Pennix feels like they got no clue what's going on?

1219
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 2: He's playing bad, feels like he's lost his confidence, and

1220
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: like you said, he's not an upside guy. He was.

1221
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 2: This was my issue with them signing cousins. If you

1222
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: love Pennix at the Combine or whatever, he is a

1223
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,439
Speaker 2: ready made plug and play player. He's not. Let's let's

1224
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 2: uh Aaron Rodgers had to fix the ball placement. Pennix

1225
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 2: was just he he plays like he's played probably since

1226
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 2: junior high. He just the problem is it's not translated.

1227
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 2: I knew so many scouts that because I'm just again,

1228
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 2: I'm a West Coast guy, root for him. They were

1229
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 2: a fun team to watch. This guy's really grown them.

1230
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a good NFL player.

1231
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 2: Most people that went through there obviously the injuries, but

1232
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 2: they said when you watch them live, when you go

1233
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: to practice his physical attributes. You know, he threw a

1234
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Speaker 2: beautiful deep ball in college, and they threw a lot

1235
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Speaker 2: of bombs because they had obviously great wide receiver talent. Polk, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, Rome and McMillan the plays for I mean,

1237
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1238
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: not freezing cold, it's pretty damn good. And you watch

1239
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1240
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 2: actually pretty good now. Obviously Drake London is a high

1241
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1242
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Speaker 2: the Colts. It's just that's that's bad. Today I thought

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Speaker 1: de bor So I had said when he took over

1264
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: for Nick saving because I think Ohio State's the best

1265
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: team in the country. I think Bama's second, Indiana's third.

1266
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: I don't buy an M, and M's beating a lot

1267
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: of teams that have fired their coaches, like Arkansas, Florida, Auburn,

1268
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: like they they're kind of they're kind of facing a

1269
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: lot of these wobbly teams. So I think Ohio State's

1270
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: the best team, Bama second. So Kaitlin de borg goes

1271
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: sixty seven and three at Sioux Falls, Okay, twenty five

1272
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: and three at Washington Fresno State briefly. Then he goes

1273
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: seventeen and five at Bama so far, and one of

1274
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: his losses was to Ohio State in a playoff. Nobody

1275
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: was beating them, go Aast Tennessee and he lost the

1276
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: game at Oklahoma night game. They played like shit, got

1277
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: into a big hole. Whatever. But Bama does not have

1278
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: a lot of nil money. And even though he replaced Saban,

1279
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: he did have to change the culture. And you know this, John.

1280
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: You can replace a good coach, it doesn't matter. You're

1281
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: still bringing in what you may run a different, completely

1282
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: different offense. The head coach probably took his defensive coordinator

1283
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: or offensive coordinator. You have to build a staff. Doesn't

1284
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: matter if you're replacing Saban. It's hard. You know guys

1285
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: are leaving, you're bringing new people. You don't know. You

1286
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: don't you don't know half your roster. You haven't watched film.

1287
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: When you get that job on your roster, you don't know.

1288
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 2: What you have.

1289
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: I like ty Simpson six two, two ten, not a

1290
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: big physical presence, not super mobile, good arm, not special.

1291
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: He may get drafted number one, two or three, and

1292
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: I think ty Simpson's okay. I don't see the wow trade.

1293
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: But he was a good high school player. I mean

1294
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: he didn't do it. First three years at Alabama. He

1295
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: was twenty nine or fifty five, no touchdowns. He didn't

1296
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: blow people away. I think, and you look at Bama's schedule,

1297
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: I think maybe the Pennox thing is his coach is

1298
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: a freaking rock star. I think a lot of it

1299
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: is not just grub. I think it's Kaylin de Boor

1300
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: because I watched Ty Simpson and everybody's in love with him,

1301
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, oh, I don't get what's well,

1302
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: I don't get the great thing.

1303
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 2: I think they're a powerful duo because last year something

1304
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,919
Speaker 2: was off with Bama. In fairness, they had a quarter

1305
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: back that I would say, Jalen Milroe doesn't exactly scream

1306
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 2: Kaylen de Boor, you know, and you know, so he

1307
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 2: gets a real much more of a pocket passer. Even

1308
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 2: last night that DC for LSU is actually pretty good.

1309
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,439
Speaker 2: Blake Baker, he's been awesome for them. As they start

1310
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 2: hitting Ty Simpson, you look like he's not handling this

1311
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 2: very well. He's getting crushed. Right. Ryan Grubb is When

1312
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 2: him and Kaylen de bor are together, they are borderline unstoppable.

1313
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: I mean, Who's I would say, the only guy that's

1314
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 2: beat him in recent memory is like, you know, Florida State,

1315
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 2: think give him a little bit of a pass started.

1316
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: They went to Georgia and beat Kirby and Athens.

1317
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 2: For sure, if they played Florida State, post him. If

1318
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 2: they played Florida State today, they beat him by fifty.

1319
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 2: So it's like that was one of those that's probably

1320
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 2: the most you know that game, looking back in five years,

1321
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 2: how the hell did that happen? But I do think

1322
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 2: that Kaylen, when he's had Ryan Ryan Grubb with him,

1323
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 2: that offense isn't unstoppable because last year I think they're

1324
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 2: their quarterback coach who kind of went back down, who's

1325
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 2: also been with the career. You know, it's just sometimes

1326
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 2: it's difficult. This guy has been calling plays, but Klin

1327
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 2: last night, what he's done with Tys Simpson. I mean,

1328
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 2: Ryan Williams was supposed to be like they're justin Jefferson.

1329
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 2: He's not even their best wide receiver. They got multiple

1330
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 2: other guys. I think one concerning part, I like text

1331
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 2: A and M more than you. I think if text

1332
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 2: A and M played Indiana on a mutual on like a,

1333
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 2: you know, like the equivalent, what's gonna happen in the playoffs.

1334
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 2: I would like their chances in that. But we're gonna

1335
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 2: learn a lot more about them. They play Texas coming up,

1336
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 2: they're gonna be in the SEC Championship game against a

1337
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 2: Bama against the Georgia. We'll really learn how good they are.

1338
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: I think they're pretty good. But I think Alabama's offensive

1339
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 2: pass the game with those two guys. I mean LSU

1340
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 2: that was their last Hail Mary of a respectable game.

1341
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 2: That's a rivalry game, McElroy said on the broadcast. He said,

1342
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 2: this is by far the most physical game you play

1343
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 2: at Alabama. This game means so much. Auburns the rival

1344
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 2: but LSU's are equal in terms of we recruit the

1345
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 2: same guys now in the transfer portal, I'm sure they're

1346
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 2: looking at the same guys to recruit, but I think

1347
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 2: Kaylin do bore I questioned moving around right, the personnel

1348
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 2: or the personality West Coast Dakota guy in the.

1349
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: South, how was my question? Midwest guy going to the South.

1350
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: I know, Jim McElwain. You go to the South, it's

1351
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: just different. It's relentless, it's kind of it's not realistic.

1352
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: And you're replaces like replacing Howard Stern in FM radio.

1353
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: You're replacing Saban and people just don't understand that you've

1354
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: got to redo the staff and Bama can't now afford.

1355
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: Bama is struggling to keep up with Nil. When you

1356
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: watch Bama today, I think A and M's got a

1357
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: good athletes or better. I think Texas has as many

1358
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: good athletes, but when Saban was there pre andil you

1359
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: watch Bama and Georgia was the only school that matched

1360
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,919
Speaker 1: up that even look the part. There's six or seven

1361
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: teams in college that look like Bama now have the

1362
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 1: same level of Ohio State's got better players than Alabama.

1363
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 2: Do you know what they respect? On the SEC? Do

1364
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 2: you win? I do you win? And now he's winning

1365
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 2: and no one cares. So if you win, whether you're

1366
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 2: from the Dakota, whether you're from Fresno, or whether you're

1367
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 2: from Egypt, they don't give a shit. Now, I also

1368
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 2: think they the Sabin personality is kind of what he

1369
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 2: was winning and he had just this. He was a

1370
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 2: tornado of alpha. I mean for a guy that's five

1371
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 2: foot eleven, it's not like Sabin is built like Mike Vrabel,

1372
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 2: but everyone quivers when he walks in the room. That's

1373
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 2: not really Debor's thing. I knew people that played for

1374
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 2: him at Fresno State. They're like, you know, he's much

1375
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 2: more like intellectually quiet. They're like Jeff Tedford is much

1376
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 2: more of a hard ass screaming at you. That's not

1377
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 2: really Debor's demeanor. So it's clearly and maybe that demeanor

1378
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 2: of Saban. It doesn't work as much unless you know

1379
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 2: he was unique because he had a resume. Him and

1380
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 2: urban Meyer, like those days are kind of over Dan Lanning,

1381
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 2: players coach Lane Kiffin kind of players coach. You know,

1382
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 2: Signetti's kind of a throwback. But I would imagine players

1383
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 2: love playing for him. So yeah, it's what he's done

1384
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 2: at Alabama. That's pretty been. It's been fun to watch

1385
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 2: because I thought ty Senson like this little I remember

1386
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 2: watching Florida State thinking this is not gonna work. You're

1387
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 2: watching them last night, just slink touchdowns, Like wow, what

1388
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 2: a job.

1389
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: By the way that the Fernando Mendoza throw to beat

1390
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 1: Penn State in the back of the end zone, that

1391
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: final drive may have been the throw of the year,

1392
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 1: the toe of the year I came out of that game.

1393
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: I think Indiana's really well coached. I think Mendoz is

1394
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: a really good college quarterback, and they've got playmakers. I

1395
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 1: don't know what the ranking was on these recruits, but

1396
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,600
Speaker 1: they just have a lot of football players. They have

1397
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: Like when you watch Indiana's defense, I don't know if

1398
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: they have a bunch of NFL guys. It's just a

1399
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: bunch of highly productive tough nosed football players to tackle

1400
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: really well. They're in the right spot. I don't know

1401
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: if they're four and five star guys. They don't look

1402
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: necessarily the part, but they don't miss a lot of tackles.

1403
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: They got worked. In the second half, Penn State moved

1404
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: the ball up and down the field on Indiana. Like

1405
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 1: you could tell Penn State had more foreign five star guys.

1406
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:00,799
Speaker 1: That offense with a backup quarterback just ran, passed, chunk

1407
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: plays up and down. But I'll give Fernando Mendoz a credit.

1408
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: That final drive, he made a couple of great throws

1409
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: and you get why. I mean, like, that's when you

1410
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,640
Speaker 1: watch a college quarterback like that. That throw at the

1411
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 1: back of the end zone was high so only one

1412
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: guy in the stadium could catch it. You know. In

1413
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: the NFL, just throw to the end zone. You throw

1414
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: low front of the end zone, high back of the

1415
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: end zone. And I watched that and I'm like, that's

1416
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 1: an NFL throw. That's a big times throw.

1417
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 2: A little more graceful, probably Omar Kelly Junior, but it

1418
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 2: had a little Montana Dwight Clark in the back of

1419
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 2: the end zone. You just put it up in the

1420
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 2: back of the end zone off the back foot. I

1421
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 2: do think, you know, you look at Mendoza, you look

1422
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 2: at Dante more on his game winning drive. Yes, I

1423
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 2: had a theory yesterday. It was kind of blown up

1424
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,679
Speaker 2: once Washington lost in Wisconsin. But do you think Oregon

1425
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 2: and Washington are more equipped to play some of these

1426
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 2: late October November games. They practice in the spring and

1427
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 2: now at home in colder weather than what's a USC

1428
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 2: and UCLA. So when they're going to some of these games,

1429
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 2: it's not going to be it's going to be colder,

1430
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 2: but they're used to practicing. If they want to practice

1431
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 2: outside and wet and cold.

1432
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: No USC in that Iowa weather, I wouldn't. I wouldn't.

1433
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 2: Oh, they lose. They lose that game ten out of

1434
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 2: ten times. They could not win that game.

1435
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I said, when Oregon and Washington came in,

1436
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm from there. That is big ten weather. It's it's

1437
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 1: wetter than cold, but I mean Seattle and Eugene November,

1438
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:31,440
Speaker 1: it's it's rain and sideways. So I think Oregon's personnel

1439
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: they're more than equipped to handle it. I thought that

1440
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: was a gut check win Oregon was missing. I think

1441
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: they're top three receivers. I could be wrong, but.

1442
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're in an offensive lineman. I think too.

1443
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: They were a mess. I mean they basically in the

1444
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: second half until that final tribe, they were just like,

1445
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: we're just gonna run the football. We just want to

1446
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: get out of here. We got a lead, we just

1447
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: want to get out of the stadium healthy. So they

1448
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,679
Speaker 1: were falling apart a wide receiver. And I think that's

1449
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: a much harder win than people think. You go to Iowa, Iowa,

1450
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: you know it's it's Ioway's got a good on line,

1451
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: Iowa can run the ball that Iowa's got six pros.

1452
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 1: They always have six pros on their team. So and

1453
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 1: it's pissing raining sideways. I thought it was a really

1454
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 1: impressive Oregon win.

1455
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 2: I think winning on the road in college in the

1456
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 2: Big Ten in the SEC, like winning at Auburn is

1457
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 2: very impressive. Winning at Iowa in November eighth is a

1458
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 2: great win. I'm not a good win, a great that

1459
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 2: feels like one of the better Oregon regular season wins

1460
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 2: in a long long time. Like that that was if

1461
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 2: you come away anything, Oh it's Iowa, They're gonna win

1462
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 2: nine games. But who do they beat Well, they probably

1463
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 2: got four guys on defense. They're gonna start in the NFL.

1464
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,839
Speaker 2: They have one of the more respected programs from gms

1465
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 2: and coaches in the NFL, and they win eight or

1466
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 2: nine games for a reason in that conference. Like they're

1467
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 2: a well and how cold it is? This is what

1468
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: I say about the Caleb Williams thing today. I don't

1469
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 2: think people realize you're at what was the weather today?

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01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean, is it snowing and snow on my lawn?

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Speaker 2: It's you know, how hard is to play football in that?

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Speaker 2: I just how cold your feet are? Your hands are

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01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 2: as skill guys? That I was the throw. Mendoza made

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01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 2: some huge throws on that final drive. I would say

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01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 2: Dante Moores that throw he made down the right sideline.

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Speaker 2: Those couple throws from Mendoza and Moore's throw there, that's

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01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 2: as good as you get. That's as good as it gets.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean to me, Dante Moore and Mendoz I

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01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: have separated. Those are the two best college quarterbacks. If

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Speaker 1: they come out, they're one and two in some order.

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01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:35,520
Speaker 1: I like Dante Moors wiggle, he moves really well, really impressive.

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Speaker 1: All right, John hard Rock, bet I have not been

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01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: good on Monday Night Football've had a great year, blazing five.

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01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: I keep taking all these favorites in Monday Night football.

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01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: So green Bay Lambeau at home minus now one and

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01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: a half. I like Philadelphia in the points. I liked

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Speaker 1: it when it was two and a half better than

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01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: one and a half. But it's off a bye. I

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01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: felt last time they played, Philadelphia really found themselves. I

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01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 1: like their roster. I think my concern with Green Bay

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01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: is what are they They've got some key injuries now,

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01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: Tucker Craft gone for the year. I think he's a

1493
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl tight end. Reid's been banged up. I think

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01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: Philadelphia has found their identity, and I'm not sure green

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01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: Bay offensively knows what there is. I like Philadelphia to

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01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 1: win outright.

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Speaker 2: I've been going against you on Monday Night, but I'm

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01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 2: gonna ride with you. I think there's a chance if

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01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 2: the Eagles are up fourteen to three or fourteen to seven,

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01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 2: going I think you get some booze. I think there

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01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 2: is growing pressure on the floor losing these games that

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01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 2: they should win as big favorites. Now, like you said,

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01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 2: the Eagles don't only how often do the Eagles fly

1504
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 2: under the radar? Coming into a big game. But they've

1505
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 2: added Jalen Phillips. They added a couple of corners, Jau Alexander.

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01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I like the Eagles in this spot

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01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 2: because I think the pressure is all on green Bay.

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01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 2: All right, buddy, great job, See you Colin the volume