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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Getty and he Armstrong and Getty at

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Speaker 2: ten o two East Coast time.

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Speaker 3: We have a ruling from the US Supreme Court on

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Speaker 3: the popular app known as TikTok. The Supreme Court upholds

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Speaker 3: the law that was passed by Congress in a bipartisan manner,

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Speaker 3: signed in the law by Joe Biden last April to

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Speaker 3: find a new buyer within two hundred and seventy days.

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Speaker 3: The Supreme Court has now ruled that that law stands.

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Speaker 3: What happens to the app, however, is.

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Speaker 1: A wide open question.

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Speaker 4: So this is just happening now, and we were planning

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Speaker 4: to talk about TikTok anyway.

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Speaker 1: What does this mean? Joe?

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Speaker 5: Well, as always, I want to point out, it's a

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Speaker 5: ban on the Chinese ownership of the social media app

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Speaker 5: because they are a hostile power. That's what the law says.

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court upheld the ban quote. There's no doubt that

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Speaker 5: TikTok offers a distinctive and expansive outlet for expression, means

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Speaker 5: of engagement, and source of community. But Congress has determined

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Speaker 5: that devestiture is necessary to address it's well supported national

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Speaker 5: security concerns regarding TikTok's data collection practices and relationship with

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Speaker 5: a foreign adversary. For the foregoing reasons, we conclude that

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Speaker 5: the challenge provisions do not violate petitioners First Amendment rights.

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Speaker 5: Just as Soda Mayor has an opinion concurring in part

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Speaker 5: she thinks it does touch on the First Amendment, some

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Speaker 5: gorstch concurs in the judgment that is the result.

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Speaker 1: What was the ruling? M miss that. What was the number?

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Speaker 1: Do we know? Oh?

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Speaker 5: I don't have that number. There are various concurring opinions.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, it's not always like six to three. Sometimes

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Speaker 5: it's four plus one plus one to three, if you

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Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. Because they partially agree with each

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Speaker 5: other anyway, So yeah, TikTok must divest itself from its

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Speaker 5: Chinese overlords if it wants to keep doing business in

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Speaker 5: the United States, Thank goodness.

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Speaker 4: In two hundred and whatever day starting Sunday or did

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Speaker 4: that start a long time ago?

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Speaker 1: And the deal and the time is up on Sunday.

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Speaker 5: The time is running out. I think, Yeah, it's up

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Speaker 5: on Sunday. So that was a last minute of yours.

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Speaker 5: And you know what, Listen, I don't want to court

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Speaker 5: a fight with hardcore Trump supporters, and y'all are absolutely

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Speaker 5: welcome any time, and sometimes we'll agree, sometimes we'll disagree,

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Speaker 5: and that's fine.

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Speaker 1: We can still be friends. But Trump's jumping in and.

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Speaker 5: Saying, yeah, maybe I can say, well, I can work

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Speaker 5: out a deal because TikTok's been good to me and

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Speaker 5: they helped me get elected. I'm sorry, no, no, not

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Speaker 5: going there. And the Supreme Court is not going to

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Speaker 5: let it happen either. So this is by fifty times

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Speaker 5: the most significant thing you will hear about out the

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Speaker 5: question of TikTok and its Chinese ownership. Peter Schweitzer as

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Speaker 5: always doing some great writing. It was published in Breitbart,

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Speaker 5: and you know, Breitbart primarily does a very very good job.

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Speaker 5: It's disappointing to me that this will not be heard

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Speaker 5: more widely. But he has dug deep and long into

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Speaker 5: available documents, speeches, memos, etc.

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Speaker 1: From the Chinese.

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Speaker 5: Communists, and the title of the article is why Beijing

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Speaker 5: wants Americans to keep using TikTok, And he talks about

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Speaker 5: how everyone's talking about the potential ban and weighing in

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Speaker 5: with friends of the court, briefs and statements and the

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Speaker 5: rest of it. From Trump to Mike Pence to nearly

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Speaker 5: two dozen state attorneys general blah blah blah. But there's

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Speaker 5: none of their opinion, Schweitzer rights from a source to

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Speaker 5: the court, will not hear from the Chinese Communist Party,

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Speaker 5: what do they think? Very few are talking about what

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Speaker 5: the Communists in Beijing think of the looming TikTok decision.

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Speaker 5: China is wielding. TikTok is a weapon wage unders diricted

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Speaker 5: warfare on the US. That is why the Chinese CCP

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Speaker 5: views TikTok as a quote modern day trojan horse, that's

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Speaker 5: their quote, and classified its powerful algorithm is a top

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Speaker 5: secret quote national security asset.

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Speaker 4: I believe maybe she listens to the Armstrong and Getty

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Speaker 4: show or gets the podcast. I believe we called it

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Speaker 4: a trojan horse and talked about how it makes the

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Speaker 4: original trojan horse seem like nothing. Oh, the original wooden

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Speaker 4: trojan horse pushed in there. Okay, some warriors jumped on.

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Speaker 4: That's not like re educating your youth for the next

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Speaker 4: several generations.

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Speaker 5: Though in the Comi zone, words TikTok's constant stream of

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Speaker 5: short and over stimulating videos make for a powerfully addictive

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Speaker 5: source of propaganda. In a restricted Chinese academic journal, Colonel Deju,

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Speaker 5: a professor at China's top military academy, wrote that the

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Speaker 5: real battle between the US and China is quote information

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Speaker 5: driven mental warfare. A separate journal, he said, Younger People's

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Speaker 5: Liberation Army propagandists and increasingly realize the popularity of short

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Speaker 5: videos online, and TikTok is the best example of this

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Speaker 5: so far. He's talking about Red Army propagandists and how

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Speaker 5: valuable they think TikTok is leading the Chinese People's Liberation

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Speaker 5: Army in the future, will refer to it as the

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Speaker 5: PLA strategist Zeng Hufeng argues that the CCP must use

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Speaker 5: quote information and popular spiritual and cultural products as weapons

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Speaker 5: to influence people's psychology, will attitude, behavior, and even change

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Speaker 5: the ideology, values, cultural traditions, and social systems. According to Zeng,

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Speaker 5: these cultural tools, including apps, video games, et cetera, should

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Speaker 5: be used quote to target individuals, groups, countries, and even

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Speaker 5: people around the world.

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Speaker 4: They are obviously, have been, and we're planning to continue

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Speaker 4: using our freedom against us the one hundred percent the

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Speaker 4: battle between democracies and authoritarian regimes. Sometimes you hear it

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Speaker 4: argued as to like, which is better for the people?

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Speaker 4: You people are crazy. I mean, it's not even a

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Speaker 4: close call. Democracies are better for human beings. Then I

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Speaker 4: don't care if they can build bridges more efficiently and

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Speaker 4: quickly or whatever. But in terms of which system is

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Speaker 4: going to win, which is going which is better in

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Speaker 4: terms of dominating the world, I'm not certain in the

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Speaker 4: modern techno era, where you can reach across borders, that

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Speaker 4: the free countries can survive ahead of the.

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Speaker 1: Mean countries.

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Speaker 5: I want to get back to the text of this

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Speaker 5: because it's so great. But that is a great topic.

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Speaker 5: And if you look at the history, we'll just save

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Speaker 5: the United States during certain times of extreme strife, trouble,

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Speaker 5: world wars, civil wars, that sort of thing, measures have

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Speaker 5: been taken that in retrospect, during peace times when all

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Speaker 5: the danger is passed, very easy to say that measure

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Speaker 5: was unfair, it was mean, it was too much. But

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Speaker 5: that happens in history because if you lose the great

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Speaker 5: battle with communism, and are you know, feeling the whip

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Speaker 5: of your Chinese overlords, but are saying to yourself, well,

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Speaker 5: at least we didn't do anything that could be seen

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Speaker 5: as races. At least we didn't suspend habeas corpus. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: that sort of thing. Well, congratulations, that's just groovy. Good

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Speaker 5: for you. But anyway, so where was I? According to

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Speaker 5: Chinese military strategist, Beijing can win this in this way,

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Ken. In this way win quote mind superiority

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Speaker 5: by cutting off historical memory, deconstructing cultural symbols and perception

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Speaker 5: manipulation via propaganda spread on digital platforms like TikTok. All

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Speaker 5: of these are quotes from the Chinese themselves. TikTok is

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Speaker 5: a means of quote subconscious messaging in which Chinese strategists

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Speaker 5: say is more effective than overtly political propaganda and I quote.

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Speaker 5: The ultimate goal is to manipulate the country's values and

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Speaker 5: achieve strategic goals without an actual overt military battle. In

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Speaker 5: an obscure CCP report titled Analysis of Modern Network Media

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Speaker 5: Warfare in the Perspective of Intelligent Technology, Beijing's military strategists

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Speaker 5: revealed that the best formats and forms of propaganda work

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Speaker 5: on young, impressionable people through amusement and I quote and

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Speaker 5: you know people say it's dance videos, Take it easy.

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Speaker 5: Entertainment is the main motivation for Generation Z content consumption,

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Speaker 5: said Pang xing Gang, the deputy director of the Propaganda Department,

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Speaker 5: in another strategy paper entitled Research on International Communication Strategies

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Speaker 5: and Practice Paths of Generation Z. Entertainment is the main

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Speaker 5: motivation for Gen Z con consumption. By better understanding those

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Speaker 5: we mean to propagandize, the CCP can explore effective communication

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Speaker 5: strategies and paths and improve the ability to set agendas.

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Speaker 5: There are a litany of these quotes about how content

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Speaker 5: control is becoming more and more important Digital propaganda and

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Speaker 5: opinion manipulation and social media platforms quote and found that

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Speaker 5: emotional content can easily lead the audience to have the

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Speaker 5: illusion of independent thinking and attribute irrational emotions to righteous

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Speaker 5: indignation or empathy, which intensifies.

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Speaker 1: The value of delusion. In other words, to boil it down.

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Speaker 5: They've realized that if you can give impressionable young people

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Speaker 5: pleasure or righteous indignation through entertainment vehicles, and then direct

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Speaker 5: that entertainment in subtle ways towards shaping their beliefs, it

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Speaker 5: will be extremely effective, And they're right, of course, I

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Speaker 5: remember talking about the contrast between like Twitter and Facebook

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Speaker 5: and Instagram and TikTok attitudes towards the Chinese Communist Party

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Speaker 5: beliefs about the wigers in China huge golf in the

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Speaker 5: numbers of the users of those various social media platforms.

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Speaker 1: So I've I've.

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Speaker 4: Kind of assumed this whole time that the way out

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Speaker 4: of this not very satisfying, but the way out of

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Speaker 4: this was somebody else is going to come up with

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Speaker 4: something more entertaining or as entertaining or TikTok in the

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Speaker 4: way that Facebook obliterated MySpace, that it'll get taken care

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Speaker 4: of that way.

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Speaker 1: But maybe not. I mean, is the algorithm just something

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Speaker 1: we can't replicate? Apparently not.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's like, you know, the iPhone took other

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Speaker 5: by the argument that we just need to come up

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Speaker 5: But meanwhile, and this will be my final quote from

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Speaker 5: Peter Schweizer's piece, Oh Whoosit's on this page? Chinese government

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Speaker 5: study on online manipulation further noted that online propaganda quote

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Speaker 4: That is a quote, Wow, well you can't keep the

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's ninety percent of your friend group. What is

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Speaker 4: It doesn't make any difference really, because people are going

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Speaker 5: Trump was wanting the whole TikTok ban to not happen

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Speaker 7: They say this, there's no doubt that for more than

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Speaker 5: The headline, which I'm afraid we have buried, is that

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Speaker 5: How they got to that conclusion varied a bit among

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Speaker 4: Communist Party because that's the way everything works there.

439
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Speaker 1: But you can become rich and successful. Did some. Uh,

440
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Speaker 1: there's a.

441
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Speaker 4: Smart coder in the United States, some Zuckerberg type person

442
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Speaker 4: in China figure out an algorithm for just a really

443
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Speaker 4: good social media app, and then the Chinese Communist Party thought, ah.

444
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Speaker 1: This would be a good way to hook young people.

445
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Speaker 4: I mean, did it happen that way, or did they

446
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Speaker 4: set out originally to come up with the best most

447
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Speaker 4: addictive app you can come up with. This is how

448
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 4: we're going to infiltrate the United States. I wonder which

449
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 4: happened first. I think you nailed it with the first one. Honestly,

450
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 4: it reminds me of what they taught us in scriptwriting

451
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Speaker 4: class back when I was doing that back in the day,

452
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Speaker 4: that if you are trying to write a movie that

453
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Speaker 4: moves people to believe something or other, it's never gonna

454
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Speaker 4: get and people are never gonna watch it because it

455
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Speaker 4: won't be entertaining. Make an entertaining movie, and if there's

456
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Speaker 4: some messaging around the edge is fine. I don't think

457
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Speaker 4: they would have come up with something so brilliant if

458
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Speaker 4: it was in the hands of the military.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, you're right. That is almost certainly true.

460
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Speaker 5: But here's here's what you need to know. And again

461
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Speaker 5: we highly recommend Michael Pillsbury's book One hundred Year Marathon.

462
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Speaker 5: One of the other aspects of it that's crazy interesting

463
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 5: is that there are all these I can't remember the

464
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 5: eighteen strategies, or I should remember it. It's around here somewhere,

465
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 5: but ancient Chinese wisdom about warfare and strategy, and a

466
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 5: lot of it has to do with not letting your

467
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 5: opponent know you're at war with them until you have to.

468
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 5: Masquerade is a friend, Masquerade is someone cooperating, perhaps a

469
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Speaker 5: trade partner. Deception is to be respected and worshiped and sought.

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Speaker 1: It's not me and cheating. How dare they?

471
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Speaker 5: No, it's clever in the Chinese traditions, and that's exactly

472
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Speaker 5: what's going on here. But that was a tangent. Go ahead,

473
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Speaker 5: and then I'll make that say.

474
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Speaker 4: How much of a win did she think it was?

475
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Speaker 4: When the worst virus to hit the planet in a

476
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 4: century leaks out of their lab and he observed that,

477
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, in the United States, the president of

478
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Speaker 4: the United States is stopping.

479
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Speaker 1: People from claiming it was us. Isn't this awesome?

480
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Speaker 4: He's yelling at Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook to make sure

481
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Speaker 4: nobody says it was our fault.

482
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Speaker 1: This is fantastic.

483
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, she's in Pink's advisors are probably how did you,

484
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Speaker 5: how did you manage this? A wise one, and he's like, yeah,

485
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Speaker 5: I don't know. They're just doing it. They're weird anyway.

486
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Speaker 5: So here's my main point, getting back to your excellent

487
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Speaker 5: question about TikTok. They have a whole of society program

488
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Speaker 5: to bring down the United States and achieve Chinese.

489
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Speaker 1: Supremacy over the globe.

490
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Speaker 5: It's absolutely well known whole of society, so I'm sure

491
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Speaker 5: they have an entire bureau full of people that, like

492
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Speaker 5: I don't know, scroll through newspapers or TV or social

493
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Speaker 5: media or the financial papers and they go, let's see,

494
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Speaker 5: we've got you know, Hijian Ping's flour mill that makes

495
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Speaker 5: flour for baking bread. Is there anything we can do

496
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Speaker 5: with that? Probably not. I don't see it as very promising. Okay,

497
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Speaker 5: let's move on. We've got TikTok. It's a crazy popular

498
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Speaker 5: short video platform that American kids love. Could we do

499
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Speaker 5: anything with that? And obviously the answer was hell, yeah

500
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Speaker 5: we can. Are you kidding?

501
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Speaker 1: Yes?

502
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 5: So it literally they go through banking, industry, trade, food, media, clothing,

503
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Speaker 5: everything and they assess, how can we utilize this to

504
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Speaker 5: affect our main goal, which is the usurpation of the

505
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Speaker 5: United States, And TikTok is just a gold mine.

506
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Speaker 4: And they're educating they're young people that China is fantastic

507
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 4: in the savior of the world and the United States

508
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Speaker 4: is evil. We're educating our young people that the United

509
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Speaker 4: States is evil. Yeah, and anything that's not the United

510
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Speaker 4: States is good. That's when they're paying attention to anything

511
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Speaker 4: at all and not just watching videos until it's time

512
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Speaker 4: to go to bed.

513
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.

514
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Speaker 5: And as they made clear in the Schweitzer piece that

515
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Speaker 5: we cited extensively earlier, they understand that they need to

516
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Speaker 5: be subtle about it. They need to tweak and move

517
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Speaker 5: by inches not feet in yards in terms of changing

518
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Speaker 5: young people's perceptions.

519
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Speaker 1: But they're very, very good at it.

520
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 5: And again, if you have one hundred year time frame,

521
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Speaker 5: you have the patience to be subtle.

522
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Speaker 4: But final word on TikTok for now. Anyway, I did

523
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 4: not understand how this would work. You did because you've

524
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Speaker 4: been reading about it, but I wasn't. I thought it

525
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 4: was just going to like end on Sunday. It will

526
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 4: be imperceivable when the dedline comes, right, you won't even

527
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 4: be able to notice any difference for maybe quite some time.

528
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 4: It'll still be on my phone and you'll still be

529
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Speaker 4: watching videos. Yeah, that's the best understanding I've come to

530
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 4: it that. Yeah, you just can't download the app anymore.

531
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Speaker 4: And because of the nature of apps and the Internet.

532
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 4: Change is absolutely inevitable, and at a certain point, the

533
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Speaker 4: amount of change that has to do with how apps

534
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Speaker 4: connect and they function and they process things, it will

535
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Speaker 4: make it unusable. You know how often you update all

536
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Speaker 4: your apps. There won't be an update for TikTok, right,

537
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 4: so at some point it'll stop working, but it'll happen slowly.

538
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Speaker 4: I was picturing more of a big giant off switch

539
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 4: and TikTok goes off Sunday. But that's not how what's happening.

540
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Speaker 5: And if I'm Chijin Pang, I've got my best and

541
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Speaker 5: brightest saying, all right, how do we get it into

542
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Speaker 5: the hands.

543
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Speaker 1: Of the American youngsters? Anyway? What do we do?

544
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: Right?

545
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: Route do we go through? They're working on that like crazy.

546
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and may have a good solution, I'll be darned.

547
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 4: Senators were a lot more vocal behind the scenes, urging

548
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Speaker 4: Joe Biden not to run. The news is out today,

549
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 4: as we've predicted around now, people are going to start

550
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Speaker 4: running to Mark Alprin had a great podcast yesterday, the

551
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 4: four million dollar question. He was calling it, who are

552
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Speaker 4: the first biggest people to turn and run to book

553
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Speaker 4: publishers to have the book written about all the things

554
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Speaker 4: that were going on? Is it common delicious? I mean,

555
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Speaker 4: who is it going to be? Because there are going

556
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Speaker 4: to be a bunch of people anyway. We got some

557
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Speaker 4: of that. We'll get into an hour three and other

558
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Speaker 4: stuff on the way Armstrong, Hetty.

559
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Speaker 9: The counselor says they're taking a month off for emotional

560
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Speaker 9: and mental safety? Was your city councilor at large? Two

561
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Speaker 9: new end uses the pronouns they them. The counselor accuses

562
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Speaker 9: the mayor and another counselor of referring to them in

563
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Speaker 9: a way that does not reflect their gender identity. Now

564
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Speaker 9: new When has filed a complaint with the city's Office

565
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Speaker 9: of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, and investigation is underway. Last

566
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Speaker 9: night at the council meeting, new When said they didn't

567
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Speaker 9: feel safe come into.

568
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Speaker 1: The council floor. One of the counselors.

569
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Speaker 9: Knew when accused, did issue a statement essentially saying that

570
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Speaker 9: she referred to the counsel or in a way that

571
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Speaker 9: was an honest mistake, and she apologized.

572
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Speaker 4: That's a woman who says she was misgendered. I don't

573
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Speaker 4: know which direction this is, but a person who says

574
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Speaker 4: they were misgendered and now needs a month off to

575
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Speaker 4: feel safe.

576
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Speaker 5: We gotta stop me too, me too, I feel completely unsafe. Oh,

577
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Speaker 5: we gotta see in February.

578
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 4: We got to quit acting like mental illness as something

579
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Speaker 4: to be coddled or described in any way other than

580
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Speaker 4: your mentally ill. You might need a month off because

581
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Speaker 4: you're mentally ill, maybe you need to be in a

582
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Speaker 4: hospital or something like that. But you're mentally ill, paranoid, schizophrenic,

583
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Speaker 4: or you're you're depressed or something, But you're like clinically

584
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Speaker 4: diagnosably mentally ill is the thing. It's not you were

585
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 4: misgendered and you need a month off. That's not the story. Yeah,

586
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 4: we used to treat mental illness, not affirm it.

587
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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, can you imagine what.

588
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Speaker 4: Would you do that whole month? Get up a weekend.

589
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 4: You'd get up and say, am I okay they called

590
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Speaker 4: me a dude when I'm a chick or vice versa.

591
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Speaker 4: All right, and I'm still honor right, I better go

592
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 4: back to back.

593
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Speaker 5: Actually, what's even funnier really is that they called him

594
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Speaker 5: a dude when he is a dude.

595
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Speaker 4: That was the crime. Oh well right, yeah, so but

596
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Speaker 4: he presents as.

597
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Speaker 1: A they them it right. Okay, So that's that story.

598
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 4: Update you on another story that we had the drunken

599
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Speaker 4: Southwest pilot.

600
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Speaker 1: We now know more, but we heard what we did.

601
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Speaker 4: Get a text from a pilot about the whole eight

602
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 4: hours Bottle to throttle is the guideline. So eight hours

603
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Speaker 4: between your last tip it a bottle in your mouth

604
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Speaker 4: and when you're supposed to grab the throttle, bottle of throttle.

605
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Speaker 4: I don't know if this guy did it or not.

606
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Speaker 4: Let's find out. Clip twenty four Michael so I downloaded

607
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Speaker 4: Red Note.

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Speaker 10: And pilot David Allsop was taken into custody. The TSA

609
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Speaker 10: says an officer contacted law enforcement reporting an individual in

610
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Speaker 10: the crew screening lane who smelled of alcohol and appeared intoxicated.

611
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Speaker 1: The flight was.

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Speaker 10: Scheduled for a six oh five am take off to Chicago.

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Speaker 10: According to the police report, Allsop was seated in the

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Speaker 10: cockpit performing pre flight checks, the arresting officer saying he

615
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Speaker 10: detected a strong odor of what seemed to be alcohol,

616
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Speaker 10: adding Allsop claimed he last drank last night and had

617
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Speaker 10: a few light beers. They conducted a sobriety test there

618
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Speaker 10: on the jet bridge, an officer saying Allsop failed and

619
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Speaker 10: refused a state mandated blood test. Federal regulations banned pilots

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Speaker 10: from consuming alcohol within eight hours of a flight takeoff.

621
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Speaker 10: Southwest Airlines tells ABC this pilot has been removed from duty.

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Speaker 4: He is going through his pre flight checklist. Uh, do

623
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Speaker 4: I have a vomit bag? Do I have a big

624
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 4: greasy burger because I'm gonna need that.

625
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Speaker 1: You get some snacks? I get some?

626
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Speaker 4: Uh so, still still drunk from the night before is

627
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 4: almost certainly what that is?

628
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Speaker 1: Closed her down at two or later. And then.

629
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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, you don't have the right stuff to fly

630
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Speaker 5: for a major airline. Goodbye, good luck in your future endeavors.

631
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Speaker 1: It's terrible. Yeah, the end of his career.

632
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 5: But I met playing Chicago directly on Rush Street. Run

633
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 5: into some bargain a double bourbon. Not in the party going.

634
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Speaker 5: Who did the Were the passengers aware of this?

635
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 4: I wonder if they were told. They probably just told

636
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Speaker 4: there was an issue with the there's an issue with

637
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Speaker 4: the crew, and we're going to have to Uh uh,

638
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Speaker 4: I don't know, sit here for four hours and not

639
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Speaker 4: tell you anything.

640
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Speaker 5: Get backup crew in a bit of a scheduling staff

641
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Speaker 5: who hope everybody's comfortable sitting here on the.

642
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Speaker 1: Tarmac for hours.

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Speaker 4: Pilot was drunk off his a and and so we're

644
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Speaker 4: going to get you a new pilot. He was, He

645
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 4: was torking his way down the rimp and hitting on

646
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Speaker 4: all the stewardesses.

647
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Speaker 1: And so we're gonna get a new pilot.

648
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Speaker 5: Now, you have advocated in the past for a passenger

649
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Speaker 5: vote before you turned back, and we've got a bit

650
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Speaker 5: of a problem with the lavatory.

651
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Speaker 4: To Oklahoma City on time. Bring him out here, I'll

652
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Speaker 4: question him. I'll see if I think he's drunk enough

653
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Speaker 4: to fly or not, because yeah, you don't want him

654
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Speaker 4: to drunk drunk, but if he's just a little buzz

655
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Speaker 4: he can fly the plane.

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Speaker 5: Wait a minute, the co pilot's young, healthy and stone

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Speaker 5: cold sober. I say we roll the dice. Let's tax.

658
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 5: That is the way to do it. A passenger vote.

659
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Speaker 5: I do want to return to the gender bending madness

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Speaker 5: story about that city council person.

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Speaker 1: There's a more serious side to that.

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Speaker 5: Perhaps next hour more on the TikTok band decision.

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Speaker 4: People are starting to talk about Joe Biden's mental state

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00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 4: in a way they have not before.

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Speaker 1: This is so freaking good. You got to stick around

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Speaker 1: four hour three Armstrong and Getty