1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much 3 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: for tuning in. Big thanks to our super producer, mister 4 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: Max Williams. 5 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it right this time, guys, Urah. 6 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: This is one for the peasants and the pezz Philosophers. 7 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: Ben, you want to sign my Urah? 8 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 3: Actually, can I jump in here? I actually have a 9 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 3: story for Noel. You know, I always listened to it 10 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 3: afterwards because you have to edit it. So I thought 11 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 3: up a nomadic device for you in case you ever 12 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 3: need to figure out. So it's like, uh, ooh, baby, baby, 13 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 3: it's the wild World. 14 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: It says it's ooh uh Okay, I don't remember that. 15 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: I'll probably never say it again now that I've finally 16 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: closed the loop on that. But yeah, we are not 17 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: talking about military words of motivation today. We're talking about 18 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: something else entirely. 19 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: Yes, going back to the puns peasants philosophers, the we 20 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: talked about some divisive candies quite recently, and we also 21 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: arrived at a conversation about an iconic thing pez And 22 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: I'm not sure you guys whether the rest of the 23 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: world knows what PEZ is. I've traveled pretty widely and 24 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: I don't see Pez all the time. But maybe it's 25 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: like a sleeper hit candy, you know, maybe it's just 26 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: somewhere in the aisle. 27 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: I guess I feel like people maybe know the dispenser 28 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: is more than they know the candy, and they're like, 29 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: what even is that? For me, certainly the dispensers hold 30 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: a lot more interest than the candy itself, as I 31 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: find the candy to be of that same echelon of 32 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: trash candy as like Neco wafers and Smarties. 33 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: So here's the thing, and this is very interesting. This 34 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: is part of our show today. PEZ has an origin 35 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: story that may surprise a lot of people. It may 36 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: indeed be ridiculous history. We're going to go to Teresa mckemmer, 37 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: writing for Smithsonian Magazine pretty often. Here. Let's give you 38 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: one quote, folks. Teresa says, one product hits a perfect harmony, 39 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: the Pez dispenser, part character, part candy, and all collectible. 40 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: The trinket has delighted kids and collectors around the world 41 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: for decades, and yet when Austria and confectioner Eduard Hass, 42 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: the third invented pez. He set out to corner an 43 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: entirely different marketing. Can I get some dramatic music? 44 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: That's an entirely different market to be sure? So first 45 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: let's introduce us to our main character, the inventor of PEZ, 46 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: as you said, Ben Eduard Haas the Third, of course, 47 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 2: indeed his bio from MIT. They don't write bios for 48 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: just anyone. He was born near Vienna, Austria, in eighteen 49 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: ninety seven and was part of a very enterprising family. 50 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: His grandfather, Edward Haas the First, was an actual facts 51 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: doctor and had created a new type of baking powder 52 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: that was used to make cakes lighter and arier. His son, 53 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: Edward Haas the Second, briefly attended medical school, but instead 54 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: of going into the medical field, he ran a wholesale 55 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: grocery business. Enter Edward the Third, who tries his hand 56 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: in mixing up a batch of this baking powder. Because 57 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: I guess it didn't really take off. It was just 58 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: more of like a pet project of Edward the second 59 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: and the hopes that he could sell it as part 60 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: of the wholesale grocery operation. He did succeed in his attempts, 61 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: which gave him the needed boost of confidence to go 62 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: into the confectionery business and to jump in here real quick. 63 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: I don't think this source had it in them, but 64 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: I think it was different source I was reading. I 65 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: think he was like sixteen when he was doing this, 66 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 3: like really young enterprising chap exactly. 67 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, back in the late eighteen hundred's, 68 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds, sixteen is essentially thirty five years old, right, 69 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: that's a quick inflation calculation. 70 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 2: He's a regular Timothy Chame portraying young Willy Wonka. 71 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: Well, it's tough to get into acting, you know, and 72 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: we wish Tim the best. 73 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: By Jade, I like young Tim. I'm going to see 74 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: him in June too, this evening. 75 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: So by the nineteen twenties, we've got this family baking 76 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: business right from Austria, and our buddy, Eh the third 77 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: takes over managing the company when he turns eighteen, and 78 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: he does one of the coolest things you could do 79 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: at the time. Takes out some ads in the local newspaper, 80 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: which is like posted on social media, and they say. 81 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 2: Look at this. 82 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: Are you worried about having to measure all your cake mix? 83 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: Forget about it. We've got pre measured cake mix just 84 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: for you, and I love that you point out the 85 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: mit bio. 86 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I mean, obviously, pre measured cake mix 87 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: is a huge business today, you know, with things like 88 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: Betty Crocker, boxed cake, you know, angels, all of that stuff. 89 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: So maybe he seemed early to the parties here, because 90 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: I guess it wasn't that necessarily that concept that took off, 91 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: but something that it led to. 92 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: And before we get to that cool story about Betty 93 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: Crocker and shelf Stable cake mix in particular, they didn't 94 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: need to add an egg. If you buy it now, 95 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: you don't need to have an egg. It was entirely 96 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: a piece of propaganda, meant to make it feel like 97 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: you were cooking because you cracked an egg and put 98 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: it into the thing. This is a true story, you 99 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: believe you You're right, absolutely, no, that has started with 100 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: cake mix, just like Drake started into grassy but he 101 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: had so much further to go in. 102 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: The mid nineteen twenty to the top. 103 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And he started from the bottom of 104 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: the cake pand a long way to the top. In 105 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: the mid nineteen twenties, Hass got peppermint oil from a 106 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: local chemist and he said, I'm going to make a 107 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: peppermint candy, and the way he pitched it in the 108 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History Universe was something like, not just regular peppermint candy. 109 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: It's elevated, it's sophisticated, it's strong and cold pressed. 110 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: I'd never heard that term as associated with this kind 111 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: of thing. I guess I just think of that as coffee. 112 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: But I guess it really is just a particular process 113 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: of distilling something into something else. I guess it's not 114 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: just a way of making iced coffee. You can do 115 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: it with other things to kind of like, you know, 116 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: steep something. 117 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: I'm picturing I'm picturing a bunch of people sitting around 118 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: and going. 119 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,119 Speaker 2: Wal we press our pepper mint's hot and he says, 120 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: hear me out. 121 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna put a lot of sugar in these, and 122 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:39,559 Speaker 1: we're gonna make them tiny tablets, lozenges, pills, and we're 123 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: going to also be very mindful about the shape. They're 124 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: gonna be a little rounded, rectangular bricks. That way we 125 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: could wrap them more easily. 126 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: Right. 127 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: We talked about this in our Devisive Candy series. The 128 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: innovation of individual packaging or machine wrapping is huge for 129 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: the game. 130 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: And also how a lot of those folks that were 131 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: kind of early to market were using pre existing War 132 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: era wartime type machines or you know, things that were 133 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: already used in pharmaceutical manufacturing to press these tablets. That's 134 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: why they look so pill like. But he did just 135 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: that and dubbed it PEZ, which is short for a 136 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: German word that means peppermin that I'm going to give 137 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: a go to. I believe it's fer minz Minza. Well done. 138 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta get weird with the RS on that one. 139 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: The thing is, this guy sends out sort of prototypes, 140 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: right demo versions of this to his friends, to his 141 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: co workers, and they all love it. They love it 142 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: so much that he starts making little packages for it, 143 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: little tits, and this this leads to the creation of 144 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: food manufacturing corporations Pez Candies, and locally they're a hit. 145 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: You know, people are talking to each other in suburbs 146 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: of Austria and they're like, you gotta go to Vienna 147 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: and when you go, you gotta get the good candy. 148 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: What's the good candy? And they're like, well, you know 149 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: how we say the resiments. He says, well, just call 150 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: him PEZ. You want to be cool, you want to 151 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: be a local. And so Hawes, to his credit, knows 152 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: he has a smart thing. He knows he's got lightning 153 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: in a jar here. So he says, how can I 154 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: get pez outside of Austria. 155 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's put this lightning in a ten baby, because 156 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 2: ten can be repurposed, you know, like it was still 157 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 2: to this day, alzoid tins are used for guitar picks 158 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: and little trink buttons or whatever, sewing kits, things like that. 159 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: It's nice to have an extra thing that retains your 160 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: branding and then is used for other purposes. So he 161 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: creates these. It's very you know, esthetically pleasing little pocket 162 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: tins for this candy, and it does gangbusters business at 163 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: least in regionally, locally, like you said, hosp wanted more. 164 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: You wanted to take it wide. Oh the whole time. 165 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: By the way, he's handied these things to his friends, right, 166 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: he's like waving his hands and performatively coughing because they 167 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: all smoke. 168 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: Ah, yes, of course, I mean the Germans. The Germans 169 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: loved their cigarettesa as did you know Europeans and Americans. 170 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 2: This was a golden dime for cigarettes. But I believe 171 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: to your point been there was enough intel creeping in 172 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: data that maybe this wasn't the best thing to do. 173 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: And so there was almost like a new ish market 174 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 2: opening up for anti smoking, for quitting smoking cessation. Right. 175 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: We didn't have nicotine lozenges or patches, but mints early. 176 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: That was an early form of kind of that oral 177 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: fixation sort of substitute. 178 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and in the early days, a lot of the 179 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: advertisements concerned breath, like fresh breath smelling better, and you 180 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: could see in some of the ad marketing quotes like 181 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: no smoking passing allowed, peasy. 182 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 183 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: They were on to something, and the idea was that 184 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: they could help people, as you said, quit smoking tobacco. 185 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: I imagine it was mainly tobacco. And they're coming in 186 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: at a very weird time socially, because this is post 187 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: World War two. Smoking is very very in it's very 188 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: on vogue at this point because everybody's a little bit 189 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: fatalistic in Europe, just being honest, and so this guy 190 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: is still thinking of these things as just branded peppermints, 191 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: and he says, you know, if you're trying to quit, 192 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: you might have some sort of oral fixation or some 193 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: need to busy yourself with your hands. So he says, 194 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: let's give them something else to put in their mouths 195 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: in place of a tobacco cigarette, and this is how 196 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: we're going to target smokers. There's a bit of Berneze 197 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: level calculation here. 198 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, because it's also I believe it stemmed from 199 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: the availability of the peppermint oil and also the reputation 200 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: that it had as being a bit more of a 201 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: medicinal kind of thing because it was only really available 202 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: in pharmacies. But it's my understanding the has for this 203 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: experiment either like happened into a connect for some peppermint 204 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: oil or something, you know, and then was like, let's 205 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: make let's make this peppermint oil into peppermint oil and 206 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: aid or little tablets that we can sell for the 207 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: purposes of smoking cessation. So you have the birth of 208 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: the very first flavor of PEZ. 209 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 210 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 211 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: And going back to the cold pressing, want to give 212 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: a very important shout out to Sean Peterson, who is 213 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: the company historian PEZ Candy Incorporated. Sean points out that 214 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: there is a logic, a method to the madness of 215 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: cold pressing. To your point, peppermint oil was tricky for 216 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: most industrial applications because it evaporated in heat. Cold pressing 217 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: changes this. You put the sugar and the various flavoring together, 218 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: you literally. 219 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: Just smash it. 220 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: You just smash that stuff together until it becomes cohesive. 221 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: And originally they didn't have the dispensers. They just had 222 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: like we're saying, the altoids level metal tins where they 223 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: were wrapped in foil. But this was a huge technological 224 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: breakthrough for the Peppermint game. 225 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 2: Interesting, so cold pressing really is just kind of like 226 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: suspending something in a solution and just letting it kind 227 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: of do its thing. 228 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: In the case of pez they just spushed it together. 229 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: I cannot speak with any sort of authority about cold 230 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: press coffee. 231 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: It may well just be a mismatching of terms, and 232 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: the cold pressing that I'm familiar with for like coffee 233 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: would be a different process. But cold press coffee, oh, 234 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: I think it's literally just taking a you know, like 235 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: you know, like macerrating coffee grounds in cold water and 236 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: then putting it in the fridge and letting it sit 237 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: in there. Like I have like a cold press kit 238 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: that's literally just like a like a what do you 239 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: call it? Like a kind of a narrow carafe, and 240 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: then it has this sort of agitator stick that you know, 241 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: fits through the top, and you literally just mix it 242 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: a lot like you would with a French press, which 243 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: you do obviously hot, but instead of it being with 244 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: hot water, it's with cold water, and then you just 245 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: let it sit in the fridge and then the poor 246 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: spout on the carath filters out the coffee grounds. You 247 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: essentially just get like cold water that's been steeped in 248 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: coffee grounds, but it doesn't require heat. Hmm. Okay, was 249 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: that a thing you think that Haas was aware of? 250 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: Or I think it might I don't know, like I'm wondering. 251 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: It's maybe a conversation for another time, but the history 252 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: of cold pressing or if these things are indeed related, 253 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 2: But it does feel like they might well be, because 254 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: I think of cold press coffee is a little bit 255 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: more of a modern thing. But a lot of times 256 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: things that sort of catch, you know, the the zeitgeist, 257 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: become in vogue often are things that are old that 258 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: just haven't really been and had a resurgent moment. You know. 259 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: My favorite example of that is the UH is the 260 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: resurgence of handmade in your favorite local products. Originally most 261 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: human things were indeed hand made, So anyway, be cautious 262 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: when you go to the grocery store, folks, or your 263 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: favorite tobacconist or your favorite candy store. There is a 264 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: big psychological question that Haas and his team spend a 265 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: lot of time on. They think, well, if we are 266 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: replacing smoking cigarettes, shall we not replace everything? Like, we 267 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: want to make our new thing as familiar and as 268 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: seamless in the world of habit as we can. And 269 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: that is why true story. In nineteen forty seven, Haas 270 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: and his team designed the pez dispenser on purpose to 271 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: look like a cigarette lighter. 272 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: Holy crap, that's brilliant marketing. So it's like it's almost 273 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: like a comb switchblade. You know, it's sort of neuters 274 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: the thing. You know that was like the danger. It 275 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: takes the danger out. You know, am I going to 276 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: kill you? Orre am I handsome? Or it could be both. 277 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 2: You could technically shank somebody in the neck with a 278 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 2: calm switchblade. You have to have a lot of forward motion. 279 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: That's very true. It's awesoint. I had no idea about this, 280 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 2: but it makes perfect sense. It's got that hinge. It 281 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 2: reminds me of like those old classy kind of metal, 282 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 2: more slim cigarette lighters from back in the day. That 283 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: would have been gold and maybe something you would have 284 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: gotten for retirement, you know what I mean, like these 285 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 2: very very yeah, very classy. So it would have been 286 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 2: a way of even because hell, guys, lighting a cigarette 287 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 2: is also a fixation of its own kind, you know, 288 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 2: just flicking that thing, getting that reaction, hearing that sound. 289 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: The muscle memory, the ritualization. It's kind of like when 290 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: people worry at rosaries, right, or count the beads. It's 291 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: a it's like a fidget spinner. 292 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: It's like a total fidget spinner. Holy crap, this is brilliant. 293 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: So they start with it as you know, this very 294 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: recognizable device. When did they slap Shaggy from Scooby Doo's 295 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 2: head on these guys. 296 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: Well, that's gonna take a Oh man, I'm ready to 297 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: get in nineteen. Oh this is fun. This is not 298 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: get through this fun weird stuff, and it's going to 299 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: change the way you look at PEZ, who is not 300 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: an official sponsor of today's program. 301 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: PEZ should sponsor more podcast stuff. I'm just saying, Yeah, 302 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 2: they'd be great for it, you know? Is it funny though? 303 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 2: How Pez is one of those legacy brands It literally 304 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 2: doesn't have to advertise. Have you ever seen an ad 305 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 2: for Pez ever? 306 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: Also, I got to pitch Pez cast You're welcome. 307 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: Well branded content, babe. Oh, Mac's too late sponsors Pez 308 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,239 Speaker 2: Max is like my arm recovered just for this, for this, 309 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 2: and now I'm literally gonna injured it again by slamming 310 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: my fist down on the desk and rage. 311 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: So it's nineteen forty nine and they advertise at the 312 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: or they start selling these at the Vienna. 313 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: Trade Fair and Austrian's Fair type situation practically, yeah, and 314 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: they call. 315 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: It pocket article dispensing container, super saxy Austrian name. 316 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I know Austrian Germany are not the same, 317 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: and I do know that. Yeah, they have a similar vibe. 318 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 2: I've been, I've been adherence to the rules, the little bits, 319 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? You know, nonsense, Yes, enjoyment true, 320 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 2: z Peppa mants is mandatory. Indeed, mandatory enjoyment. I love that. 321 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: So they do look like and you can again see 322 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: early designs. The very first Pez container does not have 323 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: a Scooby doo. Uh Mascot audit. But it looks like 324 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: a slim, rectangular cigarette lighter. And they probably based it 325 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: on two things. The resemblance to an earlier piece of 326 00:19:54,600 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: technology and the easiest, most efficacious way to package these 327 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: peppermint bricks. Right, So they were It's strange. 328 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 2: I didn't know this. 329 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: I assumed the old pez dispensers would have been rat 330 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: of some sort of metal substance, But no, they were plastic. 331 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 2: That shocked me a little bit, right, I mean, I 332 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 2: guess we're talking nineteen forty seven, so I guess I 333 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: didn't really think of plastic as being as common as 334 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 2: it is now. Is that when did plastic really start 335 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 2: to find its way into mass you know, mass produced products. 336 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: We're talking about plastic, plastic, modern plastic. 337 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 2: Bake light, wasn't it bake light? Yeah? So is this 338 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 2: plast What is this? 339 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 3: After the Second World War? According to Plain Products, and 340 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 3: then again during the nineteen sixties and seventies, is like 341 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 3: when it really I think started getting. 342 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 2: Very affordable to do things with plastic. I see, okay, 343 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 2: it was it was before. 344 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: It was definitely before the golden age of plastic. 345 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 2: I thought, so, yeah, that's it. So they were sort 346 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: of to the to the dance. 347 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: Think about it. They're like early adopters. They are too 348 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: candy what Apple is to cell phones. You know, they're 349 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: they're very it's very sexy. If you want to be 350 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: cool in Vienna and abroad, you pull out your PEZ. 351 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: And they were originally called pull out. 352 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: Your Pez sounds naughty. 353 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,479 Speaker 1: The only guy can judge us, or maybe the creator 354 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: of PEZ. At first they called these things, uh, you know. 355 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: They they sold the container as like an early adopter, 356 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: look at this kind of flex. 357 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 2: But they originally commemoratives, like almost like a yeah. It 358 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 2: was like a promotional, yes. 359 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,959 Speaker 1: Promotional perfect. They originally didn't call it just Pez. They 360 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: called it Pez drops, and they marketed it as something 361 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: that you would buy if you were an adult and 362 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: doing well in life. 363 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: It was aspirational, got it. Yeah. The advertisements also touted 364 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 2: the health benefits and they showed you know, happy affluent 365 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 2: couples making out with the caption deliciously fresh breath. You 366 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 2: mentioned another slogan earlier. I believe right, Ben, Yeah. 367 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: No smoking pezzing allowed. Also got you've got the again. 368 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 1: The parallels with Edward Bernez are amazing here because they 369 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: also built a street team. They would have they would 370 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: have free samples, cool looking people out in busy squares 371 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: or major events. Picture your favorite sports game, there's someone 372 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: there handing out free samples of Pez they had. They 373 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: had super attractive people in advertisements who'd be like, are 374 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,239 Speaker 1: you already pezzing? They were called the Pez Girls. They 375 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: were very famous in their time. I would argue we 376 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: can also see some parallels with vaping today. 377 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely, they took a took a page out of 378 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: the old Pez playbook. Right. So this is all of 379 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 2: course in Europe early on, and it's not until the 380 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 2: early nineteen fifties that the Pez candies start to be 381 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 2: available in the United States. But instead of it taking 382 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 2: off as some sort of anti smoking aid, seemed like 383 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 2: kids were super interested in this new fangled Pez stuff. 384 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, we want to give a very special, very important 385 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: thank you to Haas the third for not making candy cigarettes, 386 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: you know, for going with Pez the tablet over PEZ 387 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: the cylinder. 388 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: Much more clean cut, much more wholesome. 389 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so sales, like you were pointing out, the 390 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: whole sales are not amazing. 391 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: Just because there's only one demo. It's like just the 392 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 2: kids right, Yeah, it's just the kids. 393 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: And at this point, penny candy is still a thing, 394 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: so it's like, why am I going to buy my 395 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: kid this weird. 396 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 2: Flex, expensive European mint? 397 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: Exactly for everybody, uh, for everybody listening along. I want 398 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: to describe to you, because we are an audio show, 399 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: fellow ridiculous historians. Noel, you had the most beautiful furrow 400 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: in your brow. I saw you experiencing that moment where 401 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: you're like, weird European mints. 402 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I know no shade to weird European mints. 403 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 2: I enjoy them every now and again. You know, at 404 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 2: the at the Leadle, you get some in the checkout 405 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: at the Aldi or the Legle. There's some some good 406 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 2: ones out there. Like altoids has to be European. Isn't 407 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 2: that Swiss or something? It has to be. It's like 408 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 2: a legacy euro mint. And and I remember a time 409 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 2: where altoids were not as widely available as they are today. 410 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,479 Speaker 2: And we're in and of themselves a bit of a flex. 411 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 2: Altoids are like buttered cookies. You know, they're they're better 412 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 2: in the they're better because. 413 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 3: The ten also ready to be surprised, they're from London. 414 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 2: Okay, well still why the Fisherman's friend the grossest? 415 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, I don't This may not be a story 416 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: the Jedi would like me to tell you. But folks, 417 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: you can listen back through how Stuff works, and should 418 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: you be an astute history student, you will find most 419 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: of the old school Stuff podcast had a period where 420 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: they had to talk about Altoid's, in particular the history, 421 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: the science, how they're made, what peppermint is anyway, you know, 422 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: you get in situations, and that's where has found himself 423 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: because he was like, what they don't like my fancy 424 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: European anti smoking mints, And then his folks got back 425 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: to them and he said, well, sir, we apologize. Turns 426 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: out only chill like the mints in the United States, 427 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: and low and behold, they leaned into that demographic. 428 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: Huh what else do kids like? Ben uh, fruity flavors, 429 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 2: cartoon mascots. Perhaps I think you're onto something. 430 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 1: Maybe Anticlaus, Yeah, maybe a Popeye, maybe a cowboy, maybe 431 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: a space trooper of some sort. 432 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 2: Make them tasted not like extremely strong anti smoking emnts, 433 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 2: would rather like oranges and lemons strawberries. Perhaps I'm telling 434 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,719 Speaker 2: you vapes. It is totally the vape, dude, it's it is. 435 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 2: It is entirely that thing that's wild. Only you know, 436 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: we're just peddling sugar here, not necessarily popcorn, long inducing 437 00:26:55,080 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 2: you know, in inhalables. So by nineteen fifty five, away 438 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 2: full vape on this and they have they have notable 439 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 2: public figures for children branded in the vape, similar to 440 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 2: the way that faster people are gonna come after. 441 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well, vapes weren't a thing at. 442 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 2: This now it's very and they were not sure. 443 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: They were not peddling something insidious. They were like, let's 444 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: make this candy. Let's make sure we appeal to the kids, right, 445 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: just like old dirty bastard said about Wu Tang. 446 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 2: And so they get for the children, Yeah, they get 447 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: the uh, they. 448 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: Get the most notable figures for kids in America back 449 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: in the day we're. 450 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 2: Talking would have required agreements, would have required licensing, right, 451 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 2: and that's when things get really interesting. Sorry, Yeah, what 452 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 2: are some of the big names that first rolled out 453 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 2: that would have been of the era, Well, Mickey Mouse obviously, 454 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: what else. We've got Bozo the Clown, who was massive 455 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: both in stature and shoe size and also popularity, and 456 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 2: then of course Casper the Friendly Ghost. So those were 457 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: some of the earliest and I mean again, I don't 458 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 2: have the specifics in front of me, but those would 459 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: have had to have been marketing agreements between the owners 460 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 2: of that intellectual property and company. I would imagine maybe 461 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 2: that law was less buttoned up as it is today, 462 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,239 Speaker 2: and at first they were like, oh, they're gonna love 463 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: to be associated with this, but I would imagine they 464 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 2: would have had to at least talk to those, you know, 465 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 2: whoever owned the rights to those characters, because certainly that's 466 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 2: the direction that it went in. 467 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding, Uh, stay tuned for the ridiculous history 468 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: Pez dispensers we're going to do. We're not talking. Well, 469 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: maybe you know it's good to dream the year two, Yeah, 470 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: the Dare two. Uh. The weird thing about this is 471 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: they yet again hit on this amazing moment in the 472 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: zeitgeist society and PEZ becomes a pop culture icon. Everybody's 473 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: got to have it for several decades. It's kind of 474 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: like when you see politicians put a little selfie on 475 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: social media and they've got a tidy bottle of hot 476 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: sauce there you go. 477 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: I keep that thang on me. No stop it, Hillary Clinton, 478 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: You're embarrassing yourself. Go home. Well it's like. 479 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: That, but you know, for the world with PEZ, for 480 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: the Western world, especially in nineteen seventy three, Pez builds 481 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: a candy factory and warehouse. This is a Wonka moment 482 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: you were talking about earlier. They build it in Connecticut, 483 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: in Orange, Connecticut, and it's entirely to supply the Western 484 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: world with Pez. Or excuse me, it's entirely to supply 485 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: the United States with PEZ. And now that factory is 486 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: still around, they make all the Pez. They make so 487 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: much Pez. 488 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: You guys, apparently they have the large the world's largest 489 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 2: PEZ dispenser, because of course they do. It was going 490 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 2: to exist. It was going to exist there. Man, they're 491 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 2: a veritable Sackler family of candy distribution. Well they're a 492 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 2: little better than Sacklers. I know. I can't. It's Gallows 493 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 2: humor because it's just so sad. Yeah. 494 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we do Gallows humor because in these economic times. 495 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: It's tough to afford tears. Yeah. 496 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: So this factory is amazing though. It is a study 497 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: and efficacy. Right now, they make about twelve million tablets. 498 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: They call them a little pet bites. 499 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 2: Sorry, that's what Maybe that's what invoked the big pharma 500 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 2: thing for me. The twelve million tablets today. You know, 501 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 2: they got the medicinal background. But no, maybe tell us 502 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 2: a little bit more about what happens to our buddy 503 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 2: haas he did. Yeah he overdosed on pens. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, No, 504 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 2: I'm joking. That didn't happen. He did, though, pass away 505 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty six, and he did, of course leave 506 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: behind a massive enterprise of confectionery sweeties. Pez Candy Incorporated 507 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: actually took you know, became the going concern. It was 508 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 2: originally I believe has was his name was in the 509 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 2: name of the company. 510 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the innovations to the dispensers continued after his death. 511 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: You know how like if you look at one now, 512 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: you'll see feet at the base boz can the standout 513 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: levelsay case, yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly, you nailed it. And 514 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: if you are a Pez collector there are a ton 515 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: of Pez collectors, then you're looking at the feet first, 516 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: the way people look at shoes. You're you're saying, well, 517 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: how can I tell whether this is a vintage Pez? 518 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: Dispenser or me reduction. 519 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 2: Same with matchbox cars. We talked about matchbox cars, I 520 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: believe in a previous episode. Check that one out there. 521 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: You know, that's a very similarly collectible thing where you 522 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 2: can tell what era they came from and looking at 523 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 2: like the wheelbarings or whatever it might be. I think 524 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 2: most people have at some point in their life owned 525 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 2: a Pez dispenser, you know, bought one on a lark 526 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 2: at the grocery store. Checkout Max. You'll be proud to 527 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 2: know that the I have. It's actually in my kids room, 528 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 2: a unopened star Trek. The next generation theme set of 529 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 2: Pez Dispensers, including John Luke Picard as Borg. You guys 530 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: are nerds. No, yeah, I didn't know yet a name. 531 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 2: He's in there. The regular JLP is there, and some 532 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 2: of the other hits from that you know era of 533 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 2: the show, which one is JLP John Luke Picard. Oh, 534 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I took some liberties there to celebrities there. 535 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: So this is true, and you have hit upon quite 536 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: a potential investment there, Noel, because these Pez dispensers, for 537 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,719 Speaker 1: the enthusiast thing self from anywhere for a few bucks 538 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: to thousands of dollars, as you found, Max, one of 539 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: the most rarefied of pez Dispenser designs is from nineteen 540 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: sixty one. It sold for twelve thousand, five hundred US 541 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: dollars in twenty thirteen, so that's still kind of twelve 542 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. And then the station like a political like 543 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: themed promo branding kind of stuff. Yeah, the donkey of 544 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: the which which party? 545 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: Is that? Again? 546 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 3: I always forget Democrats. They they had the donkey and 547 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 3: the elephant. 548 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: And originally there was going to be a turkey as 549 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: the political mascot back at the Dame Ben Franklin Love 550 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: you wanted that. 551 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 2: To be the bird the national yeah, instead of the eagle. Yeah. 552 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 3: But I don't know if it's completely apocryphal, but everyone 553 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 3: would called uh Andrew Jackson a jackass that he liked 554 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 3: it so much that he changed the Democratic Party's symbol 555 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 3: to a donkey. 556 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 2: That's it is. 557 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: But there's validity to it because he definitely was a jackass. Yeah, 558 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: that's true. And also the donkey was a more respected 559 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: character in political discourse. 560 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 2: At the donkey was in the Bible. Man. He ferried U, 561 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 2: Jesus and Mary to whatever the wise men I don't 562 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 2: remember the story. 563 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: Alex Jones is zading donkeys these days, speaking of speaking 564 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: of biblical terms for donkeys. So oh yeah, so uh 565 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: we can. We can go back and forth and explore 566 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: so many ins and outs. I think you hit on it, guys. 567 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: The branding is what really set pass apart. The candy 568 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: itself remained relatively consistent. It was the dispensers that changed. 569 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 2: I think there have to be some people out there 570 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 2: that genuinely enjoy Pez for the flavor. But I like 571 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 2: I like it. I just don't like powdery Jockey candy. 572 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 3: It's mostly nostalgia, yeah, Chris, but my parents would always 573 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 3: get Alex and I Pez Spencer's for Christmas. 574 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 2: Boy is it ever? 575 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 3: Can I talk about one cool thing I found that 576 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 3: Pez has done in the past for jury So they 577 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 3: have done two seperate one and they did one for 578 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,720 Speaker 3: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, and they did one for uh, 579 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 3: Prince William and Dutchess Kate, which it was they created 580 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 3: like these Pez Spencer Limited run put up the auction 581 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 3: and all proceeds when one time one was for Make 582 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 3: a Wish Foundation, the other one was for Starlight Children's Foundation. 583 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 3: So basically like, hey, we know you. I want to 584 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 3: collect it, help us help you. You spend a bunch 585 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 3: of money, we'll give it the charity. 586 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 2: So good. I support that. 587 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: I support uh. I support that probo or branding or merchandising, 588 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: whatever we want to call it, for charitable causes. And 589 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: I'm very, very interested in imagining what Jonathan Strickland aka 590 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: the Quister pest dispenser looks like. 591 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 2: It would look a lot like the Jean Luke Picard 592 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 2: in my Star Wars set. 593 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: Is the Jean Luke Pericard different or JPL as you say, 594 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: is that different from the locutest? Oh? 595 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah? Cutis? Is he has the Yeah? So what 596 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 2: I'm saying, there's that guy where he's white and he's 597 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 2: got the gear and the eye thingy. 598 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 4: No, that would be cool though, shine, No, it's a 599 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 4: pest dispenser, you know what I say that not knowing 600 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 4: enough about you know, uh, are there some really mega 601 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 4: bespoke pest dispensers that have moving parts that like like? 602 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,760 Speaker 2: Of course, I thought maybe we could up today's episode 603 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 2: by naming a few other pretty pricey pez dispensers that 604 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 2: have sold throughout the years, starting with of course the 605 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 2: political Donkey, as we mentioned, that's the number one, so 606 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 2: maybe we spoiled that one a little bit. But in 607 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 2: nineteen fifties, clear space gun Pez Dispenser also sold in 608 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 2: a year that is unknown for eleven thousand, two hundred 609 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 2: and eleven dollars. And then the Prince Harry and Megan 610 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 2: Markle one you mentioned was also a pretty pricey collector's item, 611 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 2: although I don't imagine that money would go towards the 612 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,240 Speaker 2: make a Wish thing. It was just the initial sales, right. 613 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's the that's the auction it is. 614 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,320 Speaker 2: That was the auction, Okay, So that was the reason 615 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 2: that was so inflated was because it was specifically for 616 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 2: like a once one, one of a kind kind of situation. 617 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: I got it, And we want to end with a 618 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: PSA fellow ridiculous historians Pez enthusiast as well. If you're 619 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: buying a cap in hook Pez dispenser, it needs to 620 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: have the soft head. 621 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 2: Oh boy, what does that mean? I'm glad you asked 622 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 2: picturing like as a plushy or something like that. I 623 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 2: don't know how that would work. 624 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 1: It means it means that they were for a time 625 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine. During the late nineteen seventies, if 626 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: we're being honest, for a couple of years, they were 627 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: cheaper to produce than the typical plastic model, so there 628 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:34,240 Speaker 1: were a softer petroleum substance. But then in nineteen seventy nine, 629 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: same year, the oil crisis hits and it becomes very 630 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: expensive to make the soft head Captain hook. So if 631 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: you were ever if you ever find yourself in a 632 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,760 Speaker 1: PEZ convention and you want to know who knows their business, 633 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: look for the person who was just individually squeezing Captain 634 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: hook Pez dispenser as avocados. Yeah, like avocado is just 635 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: like produce. 636 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 2: Well, I can't imagine these wouldn't be behind glass though, 637 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 2: they wouldn't be letting you squeeze them. But maybe maybe 638 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,879 Speaker 2: with gloves on. You know, you could if you did 639 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 2: happen to find one from your squeezings. You couldn't at 640 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 2: about a grand from one of those. 641 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: Uh yes, US dollars even today. I also want to 642 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: mention you can get a for anybody looking for Halloween ideas. 643 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: You could get a Pez container costume, and I think 644 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: you can customize it. 645 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we mentioned this off air, But I 646 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 2: mean it is a little bit macab the way the 647 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,919 Speaker 2: candies are essentially, you know, dispensed out of the neck 648 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 2: hole of the head. It's you know, the thing goes 649 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,800 Speaker 2: all the way back at a very severe disturbing angle, 650 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 2: and then a weird little rectangle of white candy pops out. 651 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: Aren't there somewhere they've like sculpted the lower jon office. 652 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 2: Yes, and it's like looks like a hinged mouth, like 653 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 2: a yeah, it's like a mouth, yeah, a million percent. 654 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 2: It's weird, but it's one of those things that we 655 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 2: just accept because it's just been It's another example that 656 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 2: we run into all the time with history. Now this 657 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 2: is state of the obvious of like people being first 658 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 2: to market with something. We just grow to accept it, 659 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 2: even if it's kind of weird. So where do we land? 660 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 2: Are we all fans of pez I like to to 661 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 2: Spenser's I think it's cool. Yeah, American kitch, you know, yeah, yeah, 662 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 2: even though it's not Americana from Vienna. Yeah, Americana via Vienna. Yeah, 663 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 2: there we go. That's fine. 664 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: Apples are from Kazakhstan, and we say as American as 665 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 1: apple pie. 666 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 2: So rits are probably from somewhere in the levant you. 667 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: Know there we go uh with that, We want to 668 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: give a big, big shout out to our super producer 669 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: mister Max Williams or research associate mister Max Williams, and 670 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: our resident Pez model, perhaps non consentually, Jonathan Strickland aka 671 00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 1: the Quist. 672 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 2: No, he would be so on board, he would love it. 673 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, now that I think about it, I 674 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 2: want to say that at some point he either had 675 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 2: made or someone had made a custom bobblehead of Jonathan Strickland. 676 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 2: It was him, wizard. Yeah, it sounds about right. It 677 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 2: sounds like something he would do. Huge thanks to Chris 678 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 2: Frasciotis Ves Jeck Coates here in spirit, Alex Williams, brother 679 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 2: of Max, who composed this slam and jam in theme 680 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 2: tune that you're hearing right now, big. 681 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: Big thanks to aj Bahama's Jacobs. Check out his show 682 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: The Puzzler. We got a fellow Ben. He's a real 683 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: expert on Badasses of the Week. He'll be joining us 684 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,720 Speaker 1: soon and of course grateful thanks to Megacube. 685 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 4: Indeed, we'll see you next time, folks. 686 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app Apple podcasts, 687 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.