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Speaker 1: Never told you protection if I hire radio and today

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Speaker 1: Now that's the show Obi wan Kenobi has rapped after

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Speaker 1: we built it up quite well. I built it up

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Speaker 1: quite a bit, and you would just supported me. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You did watch it right, you've watched it. I did

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Speaker 1: all the way. I had some questions. I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Um may have been one that was like, this doesn't

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Speaker 1: make sense. Are they red conning this? Yes? Now I

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Speaker 1: know the time. I mean it was a tire. It

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Speaker 1: way possible, but it's pretty much a whole show that

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Speaker 1: was trying to Rick I knew hope essentially, and they

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Speaker 1: succeeded in the many ways, but also created other plot holes.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I guess we'll re wreck on this

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Speaker 1: And I promised Samantha this one's gonna be short, and

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Speaker 1: maybe for a spoiled happy hour something, because I do

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Speaker 1: have a lot of stuff I want to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: But for this one, we unfortunately have to talk about

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Speaker 1: toxic fandom, which all the time with these things and

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Speaker 1: the really gross and really gross racist and sexist responses

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Speaker 1: we saw when the show was coming out, after it

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Speaker 1: back and talk about it because it was a big

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Speaker 1: deal in a lot of ways for women in marginalized folks.

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Speaker 1: It was directed by Debra Chow who worked on The

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Speaker 1: Mandalorian Uh, and Kathleen Kennedy was so impressed with what

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Speaker 1: and direct this. She directed every episode. It was scored

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Speaker 1: by Natalie Holt, which is a big deal, the first

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Speaker 1: woman to score a live action Star Wars project. And also,

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Speaker 1: I've been meaning to talk about women in the Composing

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Speaker 1: and it really didn't get a lot of attention, so

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Speaker 1: I have been thinking about that, um. But the big

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Speaker 1: story was Moses Ingram, who played Riva, who was, oh,

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Speaker 1: I should have set this at the top. No spoilers,

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Speaker 1: then like Disney released a tweet that was like Reva's welcome,

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Speaker 1: McGregor tweeted about it, um, which is better, unfortunately than

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Speaker 1: the past response has been, especially because we have talked

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Speaker 1: But then Bree Larson is like, I'm getting death threats

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Speaker 1: before and it is incredibly unfortunate and incredibly disheartening, UM

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Speaker 1: Tala and the unnecessary plot line, two different plot lines

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