1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Then it's the off season and we ain't going nowhere. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna continue to give you content all off season long. 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: So again, hit that sub button. If you're new, hit 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: that notification button, because all off season we're gonna continue 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: to deliver the news and the updates and to keep 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: you guys informed on your favorite players and your favorite teams. 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: And again, we always appreciate you. Baby. 8 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. And you know 9 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: what time it is. It's the off season, which means 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: we can get into pointless debates about which defense is better. 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: The twenty fifteen Denver Broncos no Flies on are the 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen Seattle Seahawks legion of boom And in my personal, 13 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: biased opinion, it's the legion of boom and it's not 14 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: even close. But I will make that point in a 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: lot of ways, in a surgical way throughout this show, 16 00:00:58,280 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: and you'll see what I'm talking about. 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: But first off, we'll start. 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: I got a ton of respect for the twenty fifteen 19 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. Von Miller, DeMarcus whare Key, Chris Harris Junior, 20 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: some of my favorite corners, some of my favorite guys 21 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: to watch on tape. Some of the best corners of 22 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: the National Football League during the decade that we played 23 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: very effective. Like my guy TJ wore big time hitter, 24 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: a guy who played the game at a high level, 25 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: played it the right way. Darien Stewart was a ball 26 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: hawlk in that secondary, also laid the hammer. Had a 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: lot lot of respect for those guys Bruton who played 28 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: a really good, really good at that season. But I 29 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: just don't see it. I don't I don't see it 30 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: being close. You talk about our defense, is two Defensive 31 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: Player of the Year candidates that year who came in 32 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: top five in voting, third and five respectively. Two first 33 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: team All pros. Cam got a second team All Pro. 34 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: We got two All Decade members. Chris Harris junior may 35 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: the All Decades team, so got to give him respect there. 36 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: But that season are I mean it really it really 37 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: if you really looked at the paper, it's not even 38 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: a debate. It's not even debatable. It's not if you 39 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: go back and look at it, it's not even debatable. 40 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: If you look at the opponents we played in the 41 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: Super Bowl in the offensive efficiency and effectiveness of those teams. 42 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: Is it debatable it's really not MVP Cam. 43 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: No question about a great year, great season, that season, 44 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: you gotta shut him down in the Super Bowl. But 45 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: was that season better than than Peyton Manning's twenty thirteen 46 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: where he threw fifty five touchdowns and five thousand some yards. 47 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: No, I'll tell you that's written. No, it wasn't. 48 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: All MVP seasons aren't created equal, and one Peyton had 49 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: is in the history books for a reason. And we 50 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: shut it down and we made it look easy because 51 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: of the deep team had and because of the defense 52 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: we had, because of the players we had. 53 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: Now, let me explain, because. 54 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: Your general manager, John wil Lway, at the time he 55 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: said it best. He watched our secondary and said, hey, 56 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,119 Speaker 1: we need to recreate that to get back here. 57 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: And we appreciate that. 58 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:25,119 Speaker 1: Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, and we're flattered. 59 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: You built the defense based off the legion of boom 60 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: and they got to the Super Bowl in dominant fashion 61 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: and got the job done. 62 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: That's something to be said. 63 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: I can respect that, But to then go back and 64 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: say we were better, I'm gonna need you to prove 65 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: that point. I'm gonna need to see the numbers because 66 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: the numbers they not numbering. 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Let's go statistically, 94 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,239 Speaker 1: because I want to make sure you guys understand this fully. 95 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: The no fly zones defense as a whole, including everybody, 96 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: had fourteen interceptions. 97 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: Fourteen. That's not a ton. That's not a ton. That's 98 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: not a lot of interceptions in general. 99 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: I had eight alone and twenty thirteen if you just 100 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: look at the starting secondary. If you look at Chris 101 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: Harris Junior had two, A Keep had three. I think 102 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: Darien Stewart had one. Ward had zero. I'll see who 103 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: else had had a couple in this in this year 104 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: that played. 105 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: A ton Bruton. Bruton had two. 106 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: So basically, if you take their whole second, starting secondary 107 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: and even the safeties that were rotated in, there's about 108 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,799 Speaker 1: nine interceptions in there. If you look at our secondary, 109 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: just the starters, cam Earl, Thomas, Byron Maxwell, myself, that's 110 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: twenty interceptions. Like what are we really talking about here? 111 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: What are we really what are we really discussing? If 112 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: you go through passing yards per game. The Legion of 113 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: Boom gave up one hundred and seventy two passing yards 114 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: a game Number one in the league, No Flys one 115 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: gave up one ninety nine. That's a that's a twenty 116 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: seven yard difference per game. Okay, if you look at 117 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: passing tds per game in the Legion of Boom, what 118 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: they give up passing touchdowns a game. That's twenty fifteen. 119 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: Got my stats right here, Thanks, and gentlemen, I'm not 120 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: playing today. Legion of Boom gave up sixteen passing touchdowns 121 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: that season. In twenty fifteen, the Denver Broncos defense gave 122 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: up nineteen passing touchdowns. Again, how is it a debate? 123 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: Gave up more yards, gave up more touchdowns. Now I 124 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: hear the debate. Oh, they carried this offense and this 125 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, you know, was throwing ducks. 126 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: And doing all this. 127 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: Their offense held the ball for thirty minutes in the game. 128 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning had about the same amount of passing yards 129 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: through the playoffs as Russell Wilson. 130 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: They ran the ball for about the same amount of 131 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: yards as we ran. 132 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: The difference between the Legion of Boom and the no 133 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: fly zone is your offense would have preferred us. And 134 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: Keith said something crazy. He said, we played the sexier 135 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: branded defense and y'all would have yall people loved watching us. 136 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: That's more. 137 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: You know, how many kids have come up to me 138 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: and said, man, you made playing dB fun. Again, Man, 139 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: you made playing dB cool. We would have given your 140 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: offense fourteen more possessions than you guys gave them, and 141 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: that's not including the picks that went for touchdowns. So 142 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: when you complained about the offense, but you have half 143 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: as many interceptions as our defense provided, I don't understand 144 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: how the conversation is there. So the offense stopped them 145 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: from creating turnovers? 146 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. 147 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: We doubled jump on interceptions. You had fourteen, We had 148 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: twenty eight. As a team. We had eight. We had 149 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: eight turnovers in the playoffs alone. In three playoff games, 150 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: we had eight at three in a Super Bowl. We 151 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: had three in the fourth quarter of the NFC Championship alone. 152 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: Every time the San Francisco forty nine ers offense lined 153 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: up with the ball, the possession ended with us taking 154 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: it from them. What are we really talking about? And 155 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: then the people saying Oh well, y'all didn't play anybody 156 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: in those playoffs. What what what are we talking? We 157 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: played Drew Brees in the Divisional He had fifty one 158 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: hundred yards, thirty nine passing touchdowns to twelve interceptions. That 159 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: would be an MVP season in most seasons. That would 160 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: have probably want him the MVP in this day and age. 161 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: But Peyton had more. Peyton had the most passing touchdowns, 162 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: most passing yards in the history of National Football League. 163 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: And we held him to eight points. And we didn't 164 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: make it look that hard. We didn't make it look 165 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: that hard. Y'all played Cam and A and a bunch 166 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: of guys, that receiver that likely wouldn't have been number 167 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: one receivers anywhere in the National Football League. Congratulations he 168 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: was MVP. Cam had a heck of a year. The 169 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers had a heck of a year. But it's 170 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 1: not a comparison, guys, it's not. There's no number, stat 171 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: or or anything you can put out there that would 172 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: prove that point outside of suggest subjective opinions about, oh, well, 173 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, I thought they were better than you, guys. 174 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: We played man coverage on third down. Anybody out there 175 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: please somebody pull up the numbers, pull up the tape, 176 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: because watch third down. Nobody's playing one hundred percent man 177 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: a man coverage, So don't get that confused. I hate 178 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: when people say we played man, they play zone. No 179 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: you didn't. You played zone and we played some man. 180 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: You played some zone, We played some man. We played 181 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: some man. Y'all played some zone. Like that's how football works. 182 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: Because but the difference is we didn't play zone because 183 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: we had to. We didn't play zone because we were 184 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: incapable of playing man. We could have played man. We 185 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: did play man when push came and shove. You can 186 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: watch the tape and somebody can pull up the percentages. 187 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: I know somebody out there has has gone down and 188 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: combed through our and can show you we probably played 189 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: I don't know, eighteen percent man and man coverage was 190 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: probably right around the league average. We played it on 191 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: third down because you got to play it on third down, 192 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: and played it on second down sometimes when the situation 193 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: called for, it played on first down. Sometimes when when 194 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: the run game and the situation called for. There's a 195 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: lot of factors that go into playing man and man 196 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: coverage versus own. But when you have players as smart 197 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: as the players we had. You have some of the 198 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: highest IQ players in the National Football League on your defense. 199 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: kJ Wright one of the smartest players in the National 200 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: Football League, Cam Chancer one of the smartest players in 201 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: the National Football League myself, Earl Thomas. Then it's a 202 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: waste of resources to say, hey, we're gonna put you 203 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: on this guy and you stop him, because that might 204 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: not even be the guy that beats you. That might 205 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: not be Jackson Smith and Jig But was the offensive 206 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: player of the Year this season, honestly the best receiver 207 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: in the National Football League. He went out of the 208 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: Super Bowl very early. What did man coverage matter? At 209 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: the point? What matters is taking a football away. And 210 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: that's why most teams play zone. Now, most teams play 211 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: predominantly zone, and you're not seeing a lot of teams 212 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: that play predominantly man make. 213 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: The Super Bowl because it's easily beaten. 214 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: It's not easily beaten because you just don't have the personnel, 215 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: but schematically it's easily beaten. 216 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: You can you canna have. 217 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: The best goringner in the league in the scheme, they 218 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: can run a play where people getting his way and 219 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: the receiver just weaves his way through all the way 220 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: across the field and is now open, like there's nothing 221 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: protecting the dB from just getting picked off during the 222 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: play by bodies. So you lead a lot of things 223 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: up to chance, up to the referees calling a penalty. 224 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: So our defense was, Hey, really, smart players, we're gonna 225 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna run. We're gonna run the same defense as 226 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: often as we can, and when we gotta run man 227 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: and keep things tight, we will. But we're gonna allow 228 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: our intelligence to benefit us in the maximum way. And 229 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: that's what we did. That's why we had so many turnovers. 230 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: That's why we had twenty eight interceptions by the starting secondary, 231 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: because smart players were putting themselves in position to be successful. Like, 232 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: when you run the same defense, it's nothing special, they're 233 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: not the coaches were putting a ton of seasoning on 234 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: these plays they run. It's not some exotic blitz package 235 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: where we're depending on the coordinator to put us in 236 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: position to be successful. No, it's really smart players saying, hey, 237 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: this is what we're running, this is the formation they're 238 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: giving us, These are their tendencies in the formation, communicating thoroughly, 239 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: Hey you got this, Hey we're gonna bastardize this this way, 240 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: to give them a too high look, or to give 241 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: them this look, and then we're gonna run the route 242 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: for them and we're gonna take the football from them. 243 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: They gave us opportunities to see the formation, to see 244 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: the ball. That's why we ran the defense we ran 245 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: because we were really smart and it what made us 246 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: really really effective. And that's why we led the league 247 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: in turnovers, we led the league in passing yards, we 248 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: led the league, and we let the league in scoring 249 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: for four years straight. You know why we do that 250 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: because we are coaches on the field. We're understanding what 251 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: we're dealing with, We're understanding the personnel we're dealing with, 252 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: and then we're just damn good players. And we'll go 253 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: back to Leeds commentary about if you put the two 254 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: secondaries against each other, I'm picking me all day. First off, 255 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: and Lee, there's not a corner in this world that's 256 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: gonna say anything other than what Leave said. I'm sure 257 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: if you ask Chris Harris Junior, he's saying the same thing. 258 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: You ask Bayern Maxwell, he's saying saying, that's how we built, 259 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: that's how corners talk. 260 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: I'm picking. 261 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm not picking nobody over myself at any time any place. 262 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, especially guys that played in the same time 263 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: as I played. So I respect that. I ain't got 264 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: no problem with that, But that's not saying that the 265 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: necessary truth if you took there are guys on our 266 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: secondary that if you took from our secondary in twenty 267 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: thirteen and put them on the Denver Broncos secondary, they'd 268 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: be the best guys in that secondary. As that debatable point, 269 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: is that something that we're debating. I had eight interceptions 270 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: in the season that season, the seasons we're comparing to 271 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen versus twenty fifteen, that would have objectively been 272 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: a better season than anybody on that secondary. Earl Thomas 273 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: had five interceptions that season, first team All Pro, third Defensive. 274 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: Player of the Year voting. 275 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: That would have objectively been better than any season anybody 276 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: on Denver Broncos secondary. Had Cam Chancer, second team All Pro, 277 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: with a ton of devastating hits, a ton of really 278 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: incredible moments that you weren't seeing. I mean, some of 279 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: the greatest plays in Super Bowl history that you're really 280 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: not appreciating, and I wish I could break him down 281 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: for you. He was getting a scene where falls off 282 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: the scene to cover the over route that should have 283 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: been wide open. Peyton Manning was pulling his hair out 284 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: about it because they thought that was a gimme, and 285 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: it should have been. But if not for cam Chancer's 286 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: incredible play. But I say all this to say, the 287 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: gap between the twenty thirteen Legion of Boom and the 288 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen No Flies On isn't even a closable gap. 289 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: Now, let's step back. 290 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: If you compared the twenty fifteen Denver Broncos to the 291 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen Seattle Seahawks, then you got a better argument. 292 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: You got something to say. Damn you got you got 293 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: a point to make. That was a down year for us, 294 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: but we still led the league in points. We still 295 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: were better than the twenty fifteen Denver Broncos in point 296 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: We were second in yards. We gave up less passing touchdowns, 297 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: had the same amount of interceptions. Like, again, you're you're 298 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: not even gonna be able to find a great gap 299 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: there they had. They gave up to one and ninety 300 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: nine passing yards a game. I think we gave up 301 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: to ten. Like people were like y'all lost to the 302 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: Panthers that year and they beat the Panthers. We gave 303 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: up one hundred and sixty one yards in one touchdown 304 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: to Cam Newton. I think y'all gave up two forty 305 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: five in the Super Bowl. Like it just doesn't always 306 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: work out perfectly in these games. Yead Jonathan Stewart had 307 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: had a great run in the game. There was a 308 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: there were some some plays that that are offense would 309 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: have wanted it back. Some plays we would have won 310 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: it back. Shoot, it wasn't our best work were that 311 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: was our off year. We did not play as well 312 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: as we should have been that game, and they played 313 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: the better game than they won. 314 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 2: That's why they want but to act like. 315 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: This was some crazy deal and to actually ignore the 316 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: offense that we faced in the Super Bowl, which is 317 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 1: one of the statistically greatest of all time, and we 318 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: made them look like they were a JV team that 319 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: got to play on the same field as us. They 320 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: got the garbage time touchdown that we were pretty upset about. 321 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: Demarius had a bunch of catches and garbage time. But 322 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: for the most part, we just dominated them from start 323 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: to finish. 324 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: They ran that hurry up stuff. We were better. We 325 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: were more prepared. 326 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: We were ready for all of it, all the smoke 327 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: we scored, even if you take away the pat our 328 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: defense scored eight points in that game. Our special team 329 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: scored six, so that would have been fourteen. That would 330 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: have been enough to win without our offense stepping on 331 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: the field with the kind of game we played. And 332 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: again I keep hearing this, like, oh man, they drugged 333 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: this offense. I would imagine we would have drug them 334 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: there too, and would have made it look easy. Wou'd 335 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: have made it easier with more turnovers. 336 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: We ticked the ball. 337 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: We took pride in coming over, getting on the field 338 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: and saying, hey, we about to take the football again. 339 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 2: And in this day and age, it's hard to do. 340 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: So I say all that to say, if you guys, 341 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: if somebody can show me a stat or a number 342 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: that makes their point, I'm all ears, But there aren't many. 343 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: There aren't many. And the man versus his own stuff 344 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: isn't isn't what y'all making it out to be. Right 345 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: now in this day and age, nobody's playing more than 346 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: I think Denver played thirty thirty two percent. Cleveland played 347 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: a really crazy amount. I think they might have played forty, 348 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,719 Speaker 1: which is outrageous for this time. I don't think before 349 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: them that the league average is like thirty four thirty 350 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: five at its highest in twenty nineteen. It's at about 351 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: twenty two now the league average man coverage percentage of 352 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: man coverage playing. Most people only play it on third down. 353 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: It doesn't make a ton of sense to play in 354 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: the red zone because teams are getting too creative. And again, 355 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: it just feels like lazy coordinating to put your defense 356 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: in those positions where hey, it doesn't matter what you do. 357 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: They can pick you off, they can run away from you, 358 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: they can motion back and forth, get lost at the 359 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: snap and then run the opposite way and you beat like. 360 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: It really puts a lot of weight on the secondary 361 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: and on the player to get things right. And even 362 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: when you get things right, it might be in an 363 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: incredible catch like That's why the Super Bowl winning teams 364 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: over the last couple of years have not played a 365 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: ton of man coverage. A lot of them are six 366 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: big vangil six this, two highbrid cover three three fire zones. 367 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: A lot of coverages like that. That's what the league 368 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 1: has moved to. And again, if you really look at 369 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: a lot of teams still play Cover three because it's 370 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: still great against the it still does the job that 371 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: it needs to do in sacking eight in the box 372 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: and getting guys gap sound. Seattle Seayawk still played in 373 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: a lot of Cover three this year. They played too high, 374 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: they played six, they played four, they played two man, 375 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: they played regular man, but they played a lot of 376 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: three as well. 377 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 2: So I just don't get it. I don't get it. 378 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: Y'all could tell me I'm wrong, but the numbers support 379 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and I don't see what the numbers 380 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: how you can beat those numbers. If the numbers were 381 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: the opposite way, I wouldn't have an argument to make. 382 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: If you said the Denver Broncos had had a better 383 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: points per game than us. We had fourteen, they had eighteen, 384 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: then I wouldn't. 385 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't be able to make that argument. 386 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: If they had given up less passing yards per game 387 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: than US, I wouldn't be able to make this argument. 388 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: If they had double our interceptions, I wouldn't be able 389 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: to make this argument. And the opposite would be true 390 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: and it would be factual if they could make the claim, hey, 391 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: we had double y'all interceptions like, what are we talking about? 392 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: How would that be an argument? How would it be 393 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: an argument if you said, hey, we had we had 394 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: thirteen more turnovers than y'all as a defense, how would 395 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: it be an argument. The part of the argument that 396 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: changes it is the two Hall of Fame pass rushers 397 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: they had. Von Miller was the best player on that defense. 398 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: I think if you ask anybody who the best player 399 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: on our defense that season was, it would start with 400 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: the secondary, regardless of who you pick. Now, Bobby Wagner is, 401 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: in my opinion, the best middle linebacker they ever played 402 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: in the National Football League, and his numbers and accolades 403 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: support that. I think Cliff Aver and Mike Bennett are 404 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: two of the best pass rushers. They're going to be 405 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: underrated for most of their career, but in twenty thirteen 406 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: they were. They weren't even the starters that year. It 407 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: was Chris Clemens and Red Bryan Steele, and they would 408 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,479 Speaker 1: and people don't even realize that. That's what made us 409 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: so great is how deep we were. Bruce was coming 410 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: off the bench. It was a lot of guys, great guys, 411 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: truck drivers coming off the bench. Brian Brandon mee bang 412 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: was starting shit, kJ and Malcolm were rotating at times. 413 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: kJ and Mulckham were rotating to the point where Malcolm 414 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: ends up getting Super Bowl MVP. 415 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: It's crazy. 416 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: And then we're not even talking about Walter Thurman, the 417 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: third who would have been a starter on every team 418 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: in the National Football League that season and he got 419 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: a little banged up and things didn't work out like 420 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: it should. But one of the best Nickels in the 421 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: National Football League that season as well, and Byron Maxwell 422 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: would have led for the twenty thirteen season, would have 423 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: led to Denver Broncos in interceptions, Like. 424 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 2: If it was the other way, would it be an argument. 425 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 2: It wouldn't. It wouldn't. 426 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: So that's why I don't understand where the ankst and 427 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: this conversation has gotten and how it's gotten out of control. 428 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: It's like not supported by anything. And if it was, 429 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 2: I would respect it. 430 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: I would respect if Leeb had eight interceptions first team 431 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: All Pro, fifth and Defensive Player of the Year voting, 432 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: and I had three interceptions and we won the Super 433 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: Bowl and we were playing a lot of man, I'd say, Lee, 434 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: you had a better season that year, Like I think 435 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: I'm better and I think you know, I still got 436 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: my numbers and I still do my thing. But if 437 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: we're comparing him to seasons, he got that one. That's 438 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Guys got a 439 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: lot of respect for what they did, uh that season 440 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: they dominated, But what we did is better, and that's 441 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: the easy way to put it. Appreciate y'all joining me 442 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: as always. You could be anywhere in the world, but 443 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: you're here with me, and I surely do appreciate it. 444 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time.