WEBVTT - Frampton Comes Alive... With Crime!

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Dutton Zaren Burnette. Is so good to see you.

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<v Speaker 3>I know where you been.

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<v Speaker 2>How you been since the last time I say you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a week now.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really sorry to hear that it's been awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh good, Thank god it you're just messing with when.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not good. You make it awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh look at you.

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<v Speaker 3>Every day spent above ground is a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>Turning broken eggs into lemonade.

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<v Speaker 3>For totally so juicy.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes anyway you what's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 3>The helicopter outside the studio.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yes, they we've been listening to that air beater.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if we should go outside and make sure

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<v Speaker 3>that they're not like ante situation.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm sure we're fine. We don't need to know anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Ignorance is bliss.

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<v Speaker 3>From what I want to wind up on our show.

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<v Speaker 2>It comes right in live raid on Ridiculous Crime. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I have something for you. If you got a second,

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<v Speaker 2>sure you can just forget about the helicopter.

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<v Speaker 3>I can.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to imagine one of the smartest men

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<v Speaker 2>in the world I.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't get to do. What's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you actually haven't. Oh well, tell me what's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>It all on the line here. Sure, it's a mashup,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, so just.

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<v Speaker 2>Calm down, okay, just over here.

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<v Speaker 3>This may be one of the worst ones I've ever done.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, you saved the best. Relax.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why the helicopters areund drop that. So do you

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<v Speaker 3>remember last year I talked to you about Ago Nog

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<v Speaker 3>sip and cream? Yeah, so it's just like agogg.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately I do remember these things, like I wish I

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<v Speaker 2>get to be like, no, I have no recollection.

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<v Speaker 3>What's Ago and Tennessee's sugar Lands Distilling Company? Oh god,

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<v Speaker 3>they got together, they're the ones who did Ago nog.

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<v Speaker 3>Well they came up with a new sip and yeah

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<v Speaker 3>it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>New it couldn't be stopped.

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<v Speaker 3>It's inspired by brunch. So it's a cream liqueur called

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<v Speaker 3>Ago Brunch in a jar.

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<v Speaker 2>That's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>And it combines the flavors of buttered and toasted a

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<v Speaker 3>gole waffles all right, savory bacon slices, sure, and a

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<v Speaker 3>drizzle of maple syrup.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all. No orange juice to make it at.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone if some like Arizona State Sorority Girl goes like

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<v Speaker 3>buck wild on a brunch and just cuts it loose

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<v Speaker 3>and then doesn't feel so hot and runs down a

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<v Speaker 3>hot sidewalk in flip flops and then falls down and

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<v Speaker 3>barfs in a jar. That yeah, it's my guess. Here's

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<v Speaker 3>their quote. Between the juggle of constantly changing schedules, household errands,

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<v Speaker 3>family outings, or busy work days, it can often feel

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<v Speaker 3>impossible for parents to find moments they can savor for themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>I prefer the jiggle, the juggle. That's me.

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<v Speaker 3>You're jingling baby, So Joe Boprez, this is the marketing

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<v Speaker 3>director with Ago got you know, God bless them. So,

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<v Speaker 3>then he continued Ago Brunch in a Jar makes it

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<v Speaker 3>easy for parents to kick back when they're not caring

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<v Speaker 3>for their little ones. So, whether parents want to punch

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<v Speaker 3>up a weekend brunch on a Saturday or savor some

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<v Speaker 3>of those classic brunch flavors during their downtime, this feel

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<v Speaker 3>good Ago inspired liqueur is the perfect treat. So you

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<v Speaker 3>just crack a jar, put a silly straw in it.

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<v Speaker 3>You're waiting for the kids to come out of school,

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<v Speaker 3>you're in the pickup line, you're just like pounding, just

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<v Speaker 3>chugging so hard and then you figure I get pulled over.

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<v Speaker 3>They think I've just been eating waffles.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't spell Sunday with that.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's available throughout the US. You can purchase it

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<v Speaker 3>online in some states, and unlike Ego Nog, which only

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<v Speaker 3>came out for the holiday season, remember around the year round. Baby,

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<v Speaker 3>you gotta be twenty one and older, so no kids.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's in a mason jar too, just like you

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<v Speaker 3>hit rock Bottom. It's white and creamy. It's the perfect

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<v Speaker 3>way drink white.

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<v Speaker 2>Mason jar is glass, right, drink is white.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks like mayonnaise.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like, yeah, you're just sipping on glue.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you know something ago? Brunch in a jar is

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<v Speaker 3>the perfect way to elevate weekend brunch, the fun cocktail

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<v Speaker 3>or to enjoy classic brunch flavors during your well deserved

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<v Speaker 3>me time in the evening.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't know what the word perfect means.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they don't. Here's the thing. Basically, they're saying parents

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<v Speaker 3>who hate their children and love liquor drinking with some

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<v Speaker 3>lego liquor, and that zaren is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>That is certified.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, this was kind of like mustard Skittles.

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<v Speaker 3>We got a lot of tips on. Yeah. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>shout out everybody because it was just weird indentated.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I just ask why do you people hate me? Yeah? Well, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>I got one for you. If he got a second,

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<v Speaker 2>I can do that. Okay, please, If you will, imagine

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<v Speaker 2>one of the smartest men in the world. Yes, okay, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>this man, he too, as long as he is straight,

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<v Speaker 2>can be felled by the power of the bikini. Yes. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>take the case of Paul Frampton, one of the most

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<v Speaker 2>brilliant mathematical physicists alive today. He risked it all to

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<v Speaker 2>chase after a bikini model a lost it all. The

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<v Speaker 2>spoiler alert turns out the bikini model was fake, but

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<v Speaker 2>the kilos of cocaine that the world famous physics professor

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<v Speaker 2>smuggled for her We're not wait. This is Ridiculous Crime

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<v Speaker 2>A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always ninety nine percent to free and ridiculous. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right, Elizabeth. Yes, I got a question for you,

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<v Speaker 2>my friend. Yes, you know how I love physics.

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<v Speaker 3>I do know that. Actually I've seen this should.

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<v Speaker 2>Be scribbling and reading weird stuff. Right. Well, this cat

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell you about. He's one of my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite theoretical physicists working today. Oh, I've read his journal

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<v Speaker 2>papers like I'm a fan of one of them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well he's got a lot of papers.

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<v Speaker 3>Well no, I'm saying you like one of your favorite

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<v Speaker 3>the You have like a list of like four of

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<v Speaker 3>your three favorite theoretical.

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<v Speaker 2>John Carlos Bays is definitely a favorite.

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<v Speaker 4>Was your second.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to fall for this trap, Elizabeth my Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Frampton, Yeah all right, Peter, but yes, he also

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<v Speaker 2>came alive for crime. He's proposed novel theories for dark matter.

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<v Speaker 2>In his theory of dark matter, it would be attributable

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<v Speaker 2>to primordial black holes. All words you love?

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<v Speaker 3>Yum?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, dark matter, primordial black holes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so much sense to me.

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<v Speaker 2>He also this guy he created the chiral color model.

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<v Speaker 3>You're kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he did the three three one model, which re

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<v Speaker 2>expresses the standard model with a different algy day. He

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<v Speaker 2>also has built models for matter antimatter asymmetry, and a

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<v Speaker 2>binary tetrahedral group as a flavor symmetry speak English, Right,

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<v Speaker 2>you love all this. He also, by the way, has

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<v Speaker 2>calculated the rate of vacuum decay for the onuantum field theory,

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<v Speaker 2>and he constructed a matrix to determine if forty two

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<v Speaker 2>it's truly the answer to life, the universe and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, no, I through that last one in there

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<v Speaker 2>just for you. Okay, So let's say. My point is

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<v Speaker 2>this cat Paul Frampton, major heavy hitter in the world

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<v Speaker 2>of theoretical physics. But these days, if you google him,

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<v Speaker 2>that's no longer the first thing that pops up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Instead you'll see stories about the time he smuggled cocaine

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<v Speaker 2>for a bikini model who never really existed. Now it

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<v Speaker 2>sucks if you're a physics academic and an academic journal

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<v Speaker 2>like the like Advancing Physics publishes a story with the

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<v Speaker 2>headline unc physics professor is convicted of drug smuggling and

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<v Speaker 2>Argentina and you're the professor because now everyone in physics

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna read this story. There's nobody doesn't know this

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<v Speaker 2>story in his field.

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<v Speaker 3>Aren't those supposed to be like academic paper is not

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<v Speaker 3>like a gossip rag?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, yeah, exactly. The physics world, like, hey, we

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<v Speaker 2>got one for y'all. You got to put down your tee.

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<v Speaker 2>This is gonna be good. Okay, Elizabeth, this cat, as

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<v Speaker 2>I told you, he can calculate dark matter and the

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<v Speaker 2>vacuum decay rate of imaginary quasi particles. I hate somehow

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't see an old fashioned long con right in

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<v Speaker 2>front of him, even when it had been a right

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<v Speaker 2>smack on the ego. Okay, this is what happens when

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<v Speaker 2>a middle aged man thinks that Miss Bikini World is

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<v Speaker 2>in love with him. Yeah. By the way, the Bikinian

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<v Speaker 2>model in question, she is a real woman. She's not

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<v Speaker 2>like an ai creation. Her name is Denise Mulaney. She

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<v Speaker 2>is an internationally famous model, and uh, I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to imagine this person at the other

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<v Speaker 2>end of his online communication. Elizabeth, this is Denise Mulani.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yikes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think most men would look at that and say

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<v Speaker 3>like or aa, or you.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they cartoons are cartoon wolves.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just be anyone attracted to women would be like

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<v Speaker 3>Bazonga Zonga.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, she is very curvaceous. She was known for her.

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<v Speaker 3>Come back.

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<v Speaker 2>I like your cartoon wolf sexuality. Men are just reduced

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<v Speaker 2>to like text ap and.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I see a guy in like short shorts and.

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<v Speaker 4>You're like, it's the leader hosen, that's what does it

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<v Speaker 4>for you?

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<v Speaker 2>You like the spender's in something meat. No, okay, we're

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<v Speaker 2>learning a lot about Elizabeth today. Well, this theoretical physicist

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Frampton, he could, as I said, fully, rationally, logically

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<v Speaker 2>believe that this woman who I just showed you reached

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<v Speaker 2>out to him, started texting with him, and she fell

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<v Speaker 2>in love with him.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, poor lady's bikini tops falling off on the beach.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's got too much bothosom so hard for her. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this man has three degrees from Oxford, and yet he

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<v Speaker 2>never questioned the logic of this. Yeah, this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is a likely not surprise you. But as I was

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<v Speaker 2>about to say, one former student they put it, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>women came later in Paul's life.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh well yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I mean, but hey, women came later in my life,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, ultimately, if you want to put it that way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't married in my twenties or thirties or any

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<v Speaker 2>of that stuff. So I can relate to Paul right now,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you could say the same thing. So like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't consider myself naive about women, but this guy, apparently

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<v Speaker 2>he was.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, he's focusing on building his career and

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<v Speaker 3>his brain. Sure, and the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's more to it than that. Yeah, he's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of her. I'll let hit people who know him better

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<v Speaker 2>than I explain it. Before he met the fake Denise Malaney,

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<v Speaker 2>he had been married. He got married at age fifty,

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<v Speaker 2>and his wife was an age appropriate fifty two year

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<v Speaker 2>old French woman. She called herself a physics groupie, so

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<v Speaker 2>that was fun for them. She was smart, but she

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't like you know, in Paul Frampton's league. Smart but

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<v Speaker 2>she He's gonna vanishingly small number of people smart. But

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<v Speaker 2>is what ex wife did say of their relationship quote.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't completely follow everything Paul said because of the mathematics,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, But either I could understand the words, or

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<v Speaker 2>I could just listen to the music, the music of physics.

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<v Speaker 3>You talk about physics exactly. I have no idea what

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<v Speaker 3>you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Numbers and stuff. I don't know. I love that for

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<v Speaker 2>you. You seem to really get something out of this. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>this music of physics was no longer able to bond

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<v Speaker 2>husband and wife, and a divorce it happened. So his

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<v Speaker 2>ex wife, Anne Marie. She she said that living with

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<v Speaker 2>Paul it was difficult in her words, right, yeah, she

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<v Speaker 2>intimated that it was a kin to being married to

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<v Speaker 2>a three year old.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man, Yeah again, ladies, ladies, we all know about

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<v Speaker 3>one marrying a three year old. We all been there.

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<v Speaker 2>Count who has dated themselves at toddler so little a

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<v Speaker 2>little while after they parted, but then sixty four year

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<v Speaker 2>old theoretical physicists, he wanted to find a new wife,

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<v Speaker 2>a new partner, because he didn't want to be by himself.

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<v Speaker 2>He tasted love, he knew what it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's three years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Exact one's got it dried. Someone's got to do tax reach.

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<v Speaker 2>So he tells his friends and associates he's looking for

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<v Speaker 2>someone news. He wants to find some lady who's in

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<v Speaker 2>her quote prime birthing years, somewhere between the ages of

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen and thirty five. Now keep in mind this is

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<v Speaker 2>a sixty four year old. No, he didn't quite get

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<v Speaker 2>into like the physiannomy what he once, but he did

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<v Speaker 2>say he wanted, you know, like a birth and lady.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he wanted to not quote that was a

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<v Speaker 2>direct quote, but he did say he was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>want some under prime birthing years into the scientific Imagine

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<v Speaker 2>a scientist saying sure, of course, but also keep in mind,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a sixty four year old divorced man saying.

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<v Speaker 3>This, and asaurus, oh totally totally now.

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<v Speaker 2>His first attempt at finding new love was a rebound,

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<v Speaker 2>so obviously, so he found a young Chinese woman. They

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<v Speaker 2>met online, they exchanged emails. He planned to go see

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<v Speaker 2>her in China. It worked out that he'd be in

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<v Speaker 2>China for work and upcoming trips, right, so he'd be

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<v Speaker 2>near where she lived. He's going to visit a colleague

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<v Speaker 2>in China. They arranged to meet Chakra of all chakras, Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I was not expecting this, the young Chinese woman

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<v Speaker 2>who he'd been emailing with actually agreed to meet him,

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<v Speaker 2>and she actually existed. Oh wow, I know, right right,

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<v Speaker 2>But the two almost lovers they get together. They meet

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<v Speaker 2>for an hour but sadly, Elizabeth update, no sparks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it just didn't happen, just didn't click.

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<v Speaker 2>So but luckily for old Paul. He then met the

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<v Speaker 2>former two thousand and seven Miss Bikini World Denise Maulana.

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<v Speaker 2>Either he met fake Denise Malania that he met, but

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<v Speaker 2>as far as he was concerned he met Denise Mlani.

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<v Speaker 2>Had to be fair, Denise Malani was a little older

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<v Speaker 2>than what Paul Frampton was looking for and a partner. So,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was willing to make an exception for the

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<v Speaker 2>internationally famous bikini models.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh sure, you know, she may not be out the window.

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<v Speaker 2>She wasn't in her prime birthing years Elizabeth. So but

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, and I think she's like in her late thirties.

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<v Speaker 2>So Paul begins to tell his friends about his new

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<v Speaker 2>online galpal, and he's like, you know, these guys all

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<v Speaker 2>being like calculation obsessed, you know, chalkboard nerds and physicists.

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<v Speaker 2>They have no idea who Denise Malani is so, or

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<v Speaker 2>why she's famous anything, right, So Paul used to like

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<v Speaker 2>to contantly tell them go look her up on the internet.

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<v Speaker 3>Did he like print out her picture and put it

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<v Speaker 3>in one of those binders where you can slide a

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<v Speaker 3>picture in the front. He keeps all those calculations and

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<v Speaker 3>the like who's that?

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<v Speaker 2>Who?

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<v Speaker 3>Guys like, it's my gal pal, which is also you know,

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<v Speaker 3>reproductive years, So chill.

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<v Speaker 2>Out look at her. I mean, look at these prime

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<v Speaker 2>fertile hips. Now. One friend did as Paul instructed them

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<v Speaker 2>to do. He went home, he looked her up online

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<v Speaker 2>and he saw who Denise Mulman he was. And then

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<v Speaker 2>he went back the next day to Paul and he

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<v Speaker 2>told his friend, you're out of your damn mind. And

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<v Speaker 2>he said, and I quote, and I told him that

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<v Speaker 2>you're not talking to the real girl. Why would a

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<v Speaker 2>young woman like that be interested in an old guy

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<v Speaker 2>like you. But he really believed that he had a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty young woman who wanted to marry him. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>not like Paul wasn't confronted with the truth. He was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was shoved right up in his face and he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I'm going to ignore that. But you have

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<v Speaker 2>to understand, this is the power of his mind. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a genius, Elizabeth. He's also used to looking far past

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<v Speaker 2>what was in front of him, instead preferring to chase

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<v Speaker 2>after elusive things like dark matter or Denise Malani. So there,

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<v Speaker 2>his ego was also something to contend with. So, as

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Frampton himself told The New York Times, well have

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<v Speaker 2>been accused of having a huge ego. Now, to his credit,

0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.560
<v Speaker 2>his ego was largely earned. I have to give him that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if one can earn an ego right. He

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<v Speaker 2>started his life in hard scrabble England. He came from

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<v Speaker 2>what he dubbed quite a lower middle class family. His

0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.320
<v Speaker 2>mother pushed him to achieve and she would often brag

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<v Speaker 2>of his grades and she would show them to the neighbor.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, look what my little Paul did. Did school? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>He went off to Oxford eighteen, He gets a PhD.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes to America. He gets a post doc at Princeton.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes on to have this celebrated career theoretical physics.

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<v Speaker 2>He writes a ton of papers. Now, his name may

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<v Speaker 2>not be as famous outside of physics as say Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>Hawking or Richard Feynman, or even somebody like Murray Gelman.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if that one anyway. Murray Glman, he

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<v Speaker 2>had eightieth birthday celebration and he's a Nobel laureate. He

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<v Speaker 2>was a Murray Galmont. He came up with the the

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<v Speaker 2>eightfold way. No, I'm not No, I don't I understand

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<v Speaker 2>that people wouldn't be into the core model of physics.

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<v Speaker 2>Who came up with got a good name for TV,

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<v Speaker 2>don't he? So they're supposed to lionize this living giant

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<v Speaker 2>of physics, right, and Paul Frampton decides to choose to

0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.880
<v Speaker 2>talk about himself. At one point, he said he liked

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<v Speaker 2>to think of himself as quote cleverer than Newton, Isaac Newton.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah. He was so taken with this line. He

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<v Speaker 2>repeated it throughout his speech. It's supposed to be about

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<v Speaker 2>the eightieth birthday of Marie Gellman, right, and he's exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>He's better than fake Newton. And he keeps saying this

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<v Speaker 2>like it's like a chorus for a pop song. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm smarter, I'm cleverer than Newton. Right. He also mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>his grades at Oxford, and he pointed out that he

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<v Speaker 2>and Newton were in the top one percentile of intelligence. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>exactly the same metric. It would often come up later

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<v Speaker 2>for Paul Frampton. When he was in prison and being

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<v Speaker 2>interviewed by The New York Times, he gave the obvious

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<v Speaker 2>reason for why he was behind bars being Denise Malani,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said the quote, She's in the top one

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<v Speaker 2>percentile of how women look. So apparently he was very

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<v Speaker 2>preoccupied with the top one percentile. And you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>said as much to Denise Bulani, or actually rather not

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<v Speaker 2>Denise Malani, the one he was texting and chatting he read.

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<v Speaker 3>He calculated the symmetry of face.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you just hang on, he told her. And I

0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:06.600
<v Speaker 2>used the term lightly her, he said, quote, as these

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<v Speaker 2>days tick by and I think about it a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>the more I realize that we are the perfect couple

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<v Speaker 2>in all respects, you know, just a physicist and a

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<v Speaker 2>bikini model, perfect in all respects.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not three years old, he's like thirteen, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that he believes that he's in the top

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<v Speaker 2>one percent of big brains. She's in the top one

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<v Speaker 2>percent of big hotness, right, and that makes them a

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<v Speaker 2>perfect couple. It's right there on paper calculations. Elizabeth. Admittedly,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not where most of us think that life happens,

0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.720
<v Speaker 2>but you know it does. Because Christy Brinkley married Billy Joel.

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<v Speaker 2>This could happen Paul Frampton, you know he could get

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<v Speaker 2>married to Denise Malani. Sure, I mean stranger. I liked it.

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<v Speaker 2>I like his way of thinking, you know, I like

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<v Speaker 2>that he Denise Malani and Isaac Newton are all elites

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<v Speaker 2>and they are the top one percentile. I mean, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Denise Malanni got into the one percent club based on

0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:00.600
<v Speaker 2>her bikini pics and her big breast, but her one

0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.480
<v Speaker 2>percentiles just as important as Paul Frampton's one percent. He's

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<v Speaker 2>invalidating himself with his own logic.

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<v Speaker 3>It's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. Anyway. We'll be back after a little

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<v Speaker 2>break and I'll get into where the cocaine comes into

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<v Speaker 2>this story.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Elizabeth, where worry?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh cocaine?

0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.960
<v Speaker 2>That's right, okay, and soon to be in Argentinian prison. First,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get back to Paul Frampton. Yeah, Paul, my man,

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Frampton. So he was working on how to connect

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<v Speaker 2>the Higgs boson aka the god particle, with dark energy,

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<v Speaker 2>so he could explain the rate of cosmic expansion aka

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<v Speaker 2>the Hubble parameter, which shows the universes expanding at an

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<v Speaker 2>accelerated rate.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this part of the dark arts?

0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pretty much to you. Yes, energy The New York.

0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.399
<v Speaker 3>Times people have dark energy, but they totally do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And some people are dark.

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<v Speaker 3>Matter, and in space there's dark and yeah, exactly, that's

0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:09.680
<v Speaker 3>what we're talking all these things. You know, I should

0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:10.800
<v Speaker 3>start teaching physics.

0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:14.240
<v Speaker 2>You probably could. Yeah, get a couple of books.

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<v Speaker 3>You put on the desk and you let him know

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<v Speaker 3>look I read these. If you guys are all full

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<v Speaker 3>of dark energy, I'm out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>Change your dark vibes. So New York Times they visited

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Frampton, as I said, in his soon to be

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<v Speaker 2>Argentine prison cell. Now I'm just jumping ahead because we

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<v Speaker 2>know that he gets busted. I'd already told you that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So at the moment he was in prison, he was

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<v Speaker 2>hoping that the President of Harvard would slip a note

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<v Speaker 2>to the President of Argentina, Christina Fernandez de Kirchner. And

0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.360
<v Speaker 2>he was like, you know, while the presidente was visiting Harvard,

0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:44.879
<v Speaker 2>maybe the president could just give the note tour on

0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Paul Frampton's behalf. Now this is what he'd heard somebody

0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.240
<v Speaker 2>say could happen. He didn't wait, So the President of

0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:52.080
<v Speaker 2>Harvard didn't tell him she was going to do this.

0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:54.000
<v Speaker 3>And he wants to slip a note to the President

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<v Speaker 3>of arg.

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<v Speaker 2>To get him out of jail. And he was believing

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<v Speaker 2>that this is just what's going to happen.

0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.520
<v Speaker 3>So New York Times, wait, wait, wait, wait to get

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<v Speaker 3>him out.

0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Of out of prison. He was He's in prison at

0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:03.920
<v Speaker 2>this point of the story, right right, because of the

0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:06.080
<v Speaker 2>cocaine I'm going to get into that. I'm just telling you.

0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:08.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm starting. I'm jumping around like Tarantino.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, I'm like totally lost.

0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So he's in prison in Argentina.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's you're gonna tell us how that happened.

0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've already told you that it happened, So I

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<v Speaker 2>want to know how. I know I'm going to tell you.

0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Don't worry, You're gonna love this. So he's just basically,

0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:22.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm just wanting I want to give you more of

0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.439
<v Speaker 2>the Paul Framptons stuff at all. Right, the dude is

0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.320
<v Speaker 2>sitting in prison and he's telling the New York Times,

0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:29.320
<v Speaker 2>who's just flown down to interview him because it's a

0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.240
<v Speaker 2>big deal that this big physics professor is gotten busted

0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.639
<v Speaker 2>on charges of drug smuggles. Right, So they're like, dude,

0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:37.840
<v Speaker 2>what happened? And he's like, oh, man, don't worry about it.

0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.200
<v Speaker 2>The president of Harvard's gonna meet with the resident of Argentina.

0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:42.080
<v Speaker 2>She's probably gonna slip a note and get me out

0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.680
<v Speaker 2>of here. And they're like, are you for real right now?

0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.119
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, oh totally, And he said, and I quote,

0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.560
<v Speaker 2>I think I've never been discussed by two such important

0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:53.200
<v Speaker 2>people in my life, Elizabeth, Oh my god, never happened.

0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:55.399
<v Speaker 2>The discussion never happened. New York Times called up, like,

0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:56.160
<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about?

0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:56.960
<v Speaker 3>You're discussing it.

0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.639
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, he made it, he did. He made it

0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:03.120
<v Speaker 2>all this press. So one month into his prison's day,

0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Paul Frampton was willing to now face the truth that

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<v Speaker 2>the real Denise Milani was not in love with him. Yeah.

0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:12.720
<v Speaker 2>The prisoners in the Argentine prison had helped him see reality. God,

0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:16.119
<v Speaker 2>this is reality, my man. They pointed out that who

0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:18.320
<v Speaker 2>he was chatting with the whole time was probably not

0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:21.440
<v Speaker 2>even a woman, and instead with some low level scumbag

0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:24.040
<v Speaker 2>in an organized crime ring. And that's who he'd fallen

0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:26.520
<v Speaker 2>in love with online, and that's who he'd poured his

0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.120
<v Speaker 2>heart out to. And this is a little bit hard

0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:33.679
<v Speaker 2>for the physicists to do the calculations on him. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>then as the story is coming out, the real Denise Milani, right,

0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:38.840
<v Speaker 2>she gets, you know, interviewed. They're like, what's up with

0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.320
<v Speaker 2>the story, the physicists. He goes down, he gets busted

0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:43.760
<v Speaker 2>smuggling cocaine. He says, you're his girlfriend. She's like I've

0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:45.199
<v Speaker 2>never met him. I don't know who he is. But

0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:47.320
<v Speaker 2>she says, quote, did she feel sympathy for him?

0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:47.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, So then this newspaper story gets published. His fellow

0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:52.679
<v Speaker 2>prisoners they bring it to him. They hey, look, your

0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:55.440
<v Speaker 2>girlfriend's in the papers. She's talking about you, like she

0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:58.439
<v Speaker 2>just said she don't know who you are. Man. He's like,

0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:01.400
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, Well he reads the story and he's like, oh,

0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:03.679
<v Speaker 2>so the New York Times comes down, he quotes the

0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:06.640
<v Speaker 2>story and he's like, well, I feel sympathy for her too, right,

0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:08.199
<v Speaker 2>He's like trying to like reach out, And the New

0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:10.760
<v Speaker 2>York Times reporter told the physics professor, well, she's still

0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:14.239
<v Speaker 2>not going to date you. Pole. No, I'm kidding say that.

0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I threw that part in there. But anyway, so what

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<v Speaker 2>really went down between Paul Frampton and not Denise Belan?

0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes you want to know?

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<v Speaker 3>I am so confused?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay. Well, starting in November twenty eleven, Paul Frampton

0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:29.360
<v Speaker 2>was on a dating site maitwe dot com mate maate one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like mate number one, someone exactly you into matan you

0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:35.680
<v Speaker 2>like to meet someone to mate. He saw a profile

0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:37.920
<v Speaker 2>of a bikini model. It met his criteria for what

0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:40.240
<v Speaker 2>he was looking for in his next part, the chesty

0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:43.760
<v Speaker 2>bikini model. She had a beguiling smile, warmth in her eyes.

0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:46.160
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I bet she might like a physics professor

0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:49.320
<v Speaker 2>like me. He was immediately smitten. And at the time

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<v Speaker 2>he as I said, he was a in the physics

0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.720
<v Speaker 2>department at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the chair of the department, and he was

0:22:57.800 --> 0:22:59.639
<v Speaker 2>often you know, he'd be at work, obviously he's a chair.

0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:01.920
<v Speaker 2>He'd have time to himself. So when he wasn't teaching classes,

0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:04.679
<v Speaker 2>he's in his office and he'd get like a notification

0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:07.440
<v Speaker 2>sound from his computer bing. He's like could look over

0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:09.159
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, oh, look it's my baby, and hey

0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:11.720
<v Speaker 2>a click and then be not Denise Malani and she'd

0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:13.520
<v Speaker 2>want to chat all right, and the couple they used

0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Yahoo Messenger as many of us have, right, and she'd

0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:20.080
<v Speaker 2>be like, are you there, honey, Just not Denise Mulani

0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:21.840
<v Speaker 2>would text him and she'd be like, what are you

0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:24.439
<v Speaker 2>doing now? Not Denise Malani would ping him again, like

0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:25.879
<v Speaker 2>an hour or so later, and he's just like so

0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.200
<v Speaker 2>pleased by all the attention. Not Denise Malani is giving

0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:31.000
<v Speaker 2>him right, So this attention it's like catn it for

0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:33.640
<v Speaker 2>the lonely divorced scientist. So he gets addicted and hook

0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 2>and also remember who it's coming from, so it's double

0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:38.879
<v Speaker 2>Lee working on him. So this not Denise Mlani. She

0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:41.399
<v Speaker 2>starts to open up to him. She confides that she's

0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:44.159
<v Speaker 2>looking to move on with her life. She wants to

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<v Speaker 2>find a real partner, someone who could love her for

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<v Speaker 2>who she is, not what she looks like. She's done

0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:51.600
<v Speaker 2>being a bikini model. She wants to settle down, have

0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:54.920
<v Speaker 2>a family, you know, leave modeling behind. She was tired

0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:57.520
<v Speaker 2>of being an eye magnet for lecherous old men and

0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:00.919
<v Speaker 2>an arm charm for young wealthy men. Wanted something for

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<v Speaker 2>Denise right now, not Denise Malaney asked the theoretical physicist,

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:07.919
<v Speaker 2>do you think you could ever be proud of someone

0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:12.200
<v Speaker 2>like me? Now? He told his friends that that he

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:14.639
<v Speaker 2>would be able to love her just as she was.

0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:16.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I doesn't say she's knocking on the wrong door.

0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:20.080
<v Speaker 3>She's like, do you I want to be loved not

0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:23.200
<v Speaker 3>for what I look like. He's like, oh, next.

0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 2>But he told his friends he would look past her

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:29.280
<v Speaker 2>bikini and her breast and see the real woman underneath

0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:31.440
<v Speaker 2>all that glamor in spray on tan. He's like, I

0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:38.159
<v Speaker 2>see the heart of the Denise, the tissue. So he

0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:40.160
<v Speaker 2>he'd ask her. He would ask her to call him

0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 2>sometimes because he was like, oh, why don't we get

0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:43.480
<v Speaker 2>on the phone and we can talk, and they try

0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:45.879
<v Speaker 2>to set up a time to talk, and coincidentally she

0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.040
<v Speaker 2>would just miss the call or she wouldn't be able.

0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:50.840
<v Speaker 2>So part of him we grew a little suspicious. He's like, oh,

0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:52.040
<v Speaker 2>we can never manage to do this.

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:53.720
<v Speaker 3>I just want to talk to her. Jugs.

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:57.400
<v Speaker 2>You need some confirmation those boobs were real. Part of him,

0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:00.439
<v Speaker 2>part of him that was suspicious was apparently very and

0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:02.760
<v Speaker 2>underdeveloped because it never really got a hold of the

0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:05.480
<v Speaker 2>rest of him because not when not Denise Malani was

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:07.919
<v Speaker 2>right there going what are you doing right now, darling?

0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:09.320
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, why do we get on a call?

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, oh, I can't right now. Maybe later.

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Right This doesn't bother him, but eventually he's like, you know,

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:18.200
<v Speaker 2>I would like to see you. She's like, okay, well

0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:20.639
<v Speaker 2>you you should come to see me next time. On

0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.119
<v Speaker 2>da da dam My'm modeling. I'm all around the world

0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:25.879
<v Speaker 2>that she keeps stalling him. Right. Eventually she's like, oh, darling,

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:28.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be in La Pause, Bolivia, and he's like, okay,

0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I'll come down to LAPAs, Bolivia, A right, And isn't

0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:33.919
<v Speaker 2>that always the way? You're like, hey, we should call

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.120
<v Speaker 2>each other sometime. A person's like, yeah, yeah, sure, sure,

0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:38.920
<v Speaker 2>but you know what, how about instead come down to Bolivia? Yeah,

0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:40.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, like, instead of a phone call, just come

0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:41.320
<v Speaker 2>to Bolivia.

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<v Speaker 3>Ladies. We've all been there, I.

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Mean how many times? Anyway, the internationally famous bikini model

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:48.960
<v Speaker 2>she was working, as I said, and according to not

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:52.679
<v Speaker 2>Denise Malani, she thought the theoretical physicist could use a vacation.

0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 2>You work so hard for him, so come down and

0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:58.360
<v Speaker 2>we can finally meet in person.

0:25:58.640 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:02.960
<v Speaker 2>January seventh, twenty twelve, The big day. Paul Frampton sets

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:05.600
<v Speaker 2>foot on flight to La Pause. At this point, he

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:08.080
<v Speaker 2>is now a sixty eight year old physicist. He's off

0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:10.480
<v Speaker 2>to meet the bikini model he believes is in love

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:12.959
<v Speaker 2>with him, and why would he doubt if she's texted

0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:14.040
<v Speaker 2>him that she loves him.

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:15.800
<v Speaker 3>He has it in writing.

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:19.119
<v Speaker 2>That's like a contract, Elizabeth pretty much. Yeah, so, but

0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:21.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, unfortunately he runs into trouble at the airport.

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Not Denise Malani had sent him an e ticket now

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:26.439
<v Speaker 2>to Paul Frampton, but when he attempted to use it,

0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:30.120
<v Speaker 2>the ticket was invalid. It didn't work. Yeah, right, surprise.

0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:33.280
<v Speaker 2>So he gets stuck in the Toronto airport for about

0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:33.960
<v Speaker 2>a whole day.

0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 3>Why is he flying out of Toronto?

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 2>He's flying from like basically I thought he was at UNC.

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he was. I don't know why he was flying

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 2>out of tre Maybe his visiting. Anyway, he goes to Toronto

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 2>and then he goes from Toronto just wait, next stop, Santiego, Chile. Okay, yes, sir.

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 2>After a day in Toronto, he goes to Santiago, Chile,

0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 2>and then he manages to get over to La Pause

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:58.440
<v Speaker 2>after four days. For four days of traveling, four days

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<v Speaker 2>at airport.

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 3>King went from North Carolina at Toronto. Probably had to

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:02.960
<v Speaker 3>stop over and.

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:05.239
<v Speaker 2>On a ticket that didn't exist until he could then

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:07.560
<v Speaker 2>buy a ticket. And exactly so he arrives in the

0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:09.959
<v Speaker 2>Pause and now he reaches out to not Denise Belani

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:12.160
<v Speaker 2>to tell her the good news. I finally arrived, right

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 2>and so, but she has some bad news for him.

0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh my, paud, I had to leave right. So she

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.480
<v Speaker 2>tells him she had to fly back to Europe for

0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 2>a modeling job. Right, of course she'll be in Brussels.

0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:24.919
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, I know where Brussels is, and so Brampton,

0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:26.480
<v Speaker 2>he's like a dog after a bone. At this point,

0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 2>he's like, I'll get it. I'll get a new ticket

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 2>and I'll fly to Brussels. I can join you there

0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 2>in Brussels, and so he goes. He checks in his

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.359
<v Speaker 2>hotel and he's you know, he's like pulls out his

0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 2>notebooks and starts working on physics.

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 3>Wait, he's like, I told all the students I've moved

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 3>your class online.

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:42.160
<v Speaker 2>We're not meaning exactly, pretty much like the classs dismissed

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:43.880
<v Speaker 2>her next weekend until I get back.

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.160
<v Speaker 3>All right, one get on canvas.

0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, just read a book or something. Read one

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:49.960
<v Speaker 2>of my papers. Tell me it was good. So he

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:51.560
<v Speaker 2>tells her. He's like, you know, I'll go back to

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 2>the hotel. I'll work on some stuff. Then you contact

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:55.440
<v Speaker 2>me and give me all the updates on where I

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:57.639
<v Speaker 2>should fly, what hotel, blah blah blah. Right, so he

0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:00.280
<v Speaker 2>starts working on his like you know, Higgs Bosons stuff

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:03.159
<v Speaker 2>and then he doesn't hear from Mercy. He texted not

0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Denise Malani and they make a new plant. She gets

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:09.160
<v Speaker 2>back to him. A second e ticket gets sent to him. Right,

0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 2>it's a ticket to Brussels, so at least he's going

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 2>to the right city this time. Yeah, but not Denise

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Malani has the one small request for her little Pooky

0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Pie or whatever nickname she Frampton, right, So she says,

0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 2>he Pooky, Bye, could you bring me a bag of

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:25.320
<v Speaker 2>my stuff? And she's like, I just need you before

0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 2>you fly to Brussels. And he's like, I left the

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.679
<v Speaker 2>bag in the pause. I really need it. And she's like,

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:31.920
<v Speaker 2>oh are you sure, Lumpia lump why do you need

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 2>this whatever whatever a nickname he called her. I'm making

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 2>him up Elizabeth right, So he goes. He's like, of course,

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:43.520
<v Speaker 2>what you know you need your your bag? Is it

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 2>like importantly the guess it's has sentimental value to me.

0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:49.520
<v Speaker 2>He's like, okay, no problem. So he goes to pick

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 2>up her forgotten luggage and he contacts a friend of

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 2>his like you know, He's like, I'll do that later today.

0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:56.440
<v Speaker 2>So he's at the airport. He talks to his friend

0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 2>of his, who is a physicist and a lawyer, this

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:05.480
<v Speaker 2>lawyer friend, right, So missus Dixon's son, John Dixon, she's

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 2>listening to her friend's story. And this is John Dixon's account,

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:11.960
<v Speaker 2>he says, and I told Paul, quote, well inside the suitcase,

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 2>swing into the lining will be cocaine. You're in big trouble.

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Paul said, I'll be careful. I'll make sure there isn't

0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 2>cocaine in there, and if there is, I'll ask them

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 2>to remove it. I thought they were probably going to

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 2>kidnap him and torture him to get his money. I

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 2>didn't know he didn't have any money. I said, well,

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna be killed, Paul, So whom should I contact

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 2>when you disappear? And he said, you can contact my

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 2>brother and my former wife. So he's being all shaky.

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 2>My god, so his friend and lawyer, John Dixon, he's

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:42.880
<v Speaker 2>like the Oracle of Delphi the story. And just like

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 2>the Oracle of Delphi, no one listens or they misinterpreted right.

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 2>So a little after a week after he arrived in

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:50.720
<v Speaker 2>La Pause, Paul meets up with the stranger to get

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 2>the luggage bag for his baby not Denise Malani, right,

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 2>And he meets the stranger on a quote dark street,

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 2>and the bag was brought to him by a young man.

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 2>The luggage was not one would expect for an internationally

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:05.720
<v Speaker 2>famous model. It wasn't like an rmez bag, it wasn't givon.

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 2>The luggage was just some ratty, plain black carry on

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 2>that you'd see like going around the airport turnstile baggage pickup.

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 2>You're like, whose bag is that? It's got like duct

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 2>tape on it. He's like, just shy of that.

0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 3>Wait, where are you talking about my luggage?

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:22.960
<v Speaker 2>So he wheels this luggage back to his hotel room

0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:26.760
<v Speaker 2>and so assuage that voice of his friend, the physicist lawyer.

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 2>He's like, let me open up this luggage to make

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 2>sure there's no cocaine in here. So he does it.

0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 2>He opens up the luggage. It is empty, there's nothing

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 2>inside of it, and he's like, wait, there's nothing inside

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 2>of it.

0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 3>But it was it heavy enough that he thought there

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 3>was something inside of it before he opened it. I mean,

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:42.720
<v Speaker 3>you can tell the difference from an empty suitcase to

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:43.640
<v Speaker 3>a full suit.

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Sure, but a couple of kilos doesn't weigh that much.

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:47.040
<v Speaker 2>So if you put a couple of kilos with cocaine

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.240
<v Speaker 2>and an empty suitcase. You may not know that they're

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 2>the difference.

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I'm just thinking, how did he not

0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 3>know he was handed an empty suitcase? When I get this,

0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 3>three fellow.

0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 2>He's just a physicist, Elizabeth. Only he can answer this question.

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.440
<v Speaker 2>How did you how did you detect the nothingness in

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 2>the suitcase?

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's a good question. Was it full of dark matter?

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Exactly? Catching on? So anyway, it.

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 3>Got a Higgs boson in it, there's out.

0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 2>There's no Higgs bosons, no cocaine knocking inside?

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 3>Are Higgs.

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 4>The back of forth?

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 2>But these tell the buns and six packs. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>total problem. You're so annoying. How do I get How do.

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 3>I get my Higgs bosons in the bun?

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 2>How do I get my quantum fields into my general relativity? Anyways?

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:35.360
<v Speaker 3>Physicist dark matter?

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, So he feels around the empty suitcase. He's like, Okay,

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 2>this is weird. It's an empty suitcase. Why does my baby,

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 2>lumpy lump need an empty suitcase? He writes her. He's like,

0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:48.520
<v Speaker 2>lumpy lump baby, why the empty suitcase? And she's like, oh,

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 2>my peachy pie, don't worry. It has sentiment. That is

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 2>sentimental value to me. I told you this, and he's like, Okay,

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 2>that's good enough for me. Maybe. So the next day

0:31:57.520 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 2>he packs up for the airport, goes down, carries the

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 2>empty bag.

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 3>For her and empty sentimental values.

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that. My grandfather he gave me that

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 2>luggage after the war.

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 3>That roller bag. That's how he got how he brought.

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 2>It all over mountains. He carried that.

0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 3>He is a symbol of bravery.

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:23.960
<v Speaker 2>He has it down generations to generation. He stuffed some

0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 2>dirty clothes in the bag. And he goes down to

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>the airport, right, and he's like, Okay, I got my baby,

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:32.240
<v Speaker 2>not Denise Mlani sentimentally important luggage. I've got my own bag.

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Let's rock, right, and he flies out of La Pause,

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 2>no problems, he checks. But so interestingly, Elizabeth, I forgot

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 2>to tell you he did not fly directly to Brussels instead.

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what his deal is on. He just

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:48.960
<v Speaker 2>loves airports. His ticket goes from flies to Buenos Aires

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 2>in Argentina. Okay, he flew south.

0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:54.200
<v Speaker 3>Sure the other direction.

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't get it. Maybe it's South America.

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:01.400
<v Speaker 3>That's not like I don't know how what flies out

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 3>of la Pause. I would imagine you can get to Europe.

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:04.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure.

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure France.

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:08.040
<v Speaker 3>Anyway.

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:10.960
<v Speaker 2>So he lands safely in Argentina, and but now he's

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 2>gonna have to wait for a new e ticket from

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 2>not Denise Blani for his connecting flight from Buenos Aires

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:19.520
<v Speaker 2>up to Brussels. How long do you wait, Elizabeth? How

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 2>long did he wait? Try? Forty hours, a day and

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 2>a half and then some for this airport. Like I said,

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Homie was a dog after a bone. Yeah, exactly. He

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 2>sits up in the buenas Ares airport for damn near

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 2>two days, waiting on I don't know, doing physics problems,

0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 2>eating from various airport restaurants, and just sleeping on his luggage.

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 2>New ticket from not Denise Blani. It finally arrives before

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:48.440
<v Speaker 2>he started day three of the airport. Right, So, Paul

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 2>Frampton this point, he's almost lost his patience. He's already

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 2>contacted friends back home and asked them to get him

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:54.800
<v Speaker 2>a ticket to fly Hi back to North Carolina. He's like,

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 2>I got students, they've been online for two weeks. Now,

0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 2>I've got to do something. But this is when fate

0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 2>plays a hand. Elizabeth and I'd like you to close

0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 2>your eyes and picture.

0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:04.640
<v Speaker 3>It as closed.

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 2>You are at the Aziza Airport in Buenos Aires.

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 3>Are in cam Hi.

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:12.840
<v Speaker 2>When this temple to flight opened way back in nineteen

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:16.280
<v Speaker 2>forty nine, it was the third largest airport in the world.

0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 2>It was built during the first presidency of Juan Pern.

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 2>You know a Vida's husband.

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 3>Huh.

0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:22.799
<v Speaker 2>For me, it's a nice looking airport as far as

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:25.719
<v Speaker 2>airports go. But as you sit by yourself waiting for

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 2>your flight back to the States, you do one of

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 2>your favorite activities, people watching. Your Spanish isn't the best,

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:32.759
<v Speaker 2>so you don't always know what's going on, but you

0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:35.240
<v Speaker 2>catch sight of a cool looking family. They're all smiles.

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:38.359
<v Speaker 2>The mother huddles or family to the adjacent gate. You

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:41.880
<v Speaker 2>watch as they seat. You enjoy watching this clearly indigenous family.

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:44.320
<v Speaker 2>You guess it. They're most likely from the Imara tribe

0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:46.800
<v Speaker 2>in Bolivia. You know this only because they're bedecked in

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 2>traditional Bolivian dress and the mother is wearing one of

0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:50.840
<v Speaker 2>those cool looking bowler hats.

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I love that.

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.760
<v Speaker 2>You casually watch the family get comfortable and the father

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.320
<v Speaker 2>breaks out some chapperware and give snacks to the kids.

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:00.840
<v Speaker 2>A man seated by himself rather close to you catches

0:35:00.880 --> 0:35:03.040
<v Speaker 2>your eye. He's been mostly scribbling in a journal. You

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:05.240
<v Speaker 2>guess he's a writer, maybe a journalist, maybe a poet.

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Who knows. He looks far more like an aging academic

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 2>of the kind of the science set. He looks like

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:12.440
<v Speaker 2>a rumpled physics professor, which turns out is exactly what

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:15.840
<v Speaker 2>he is. Good job, Elizabeth. Next to him are two bags,

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:17.719
<v Speaker 2>one white, one black. You don't know it and you

0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 2>never guess it, but inside one of the bags is

0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 2>a life changing amount of cocaine. There's an announcement over

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:25.160
<v Speaker 2>the airport speakers in Spanish first, then in English. The

0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 2>heavily accented pa announcer asked for passenger Paul Frampton to

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 2>come to the ticket counter. You watch the rumpled academic

0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:33.440
<v Speaker 2>look up as if his name was called. Turns out

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 2>his name was called, and then he confirms this by

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 2>getting up and walking over to the airline employee at

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 2>the counter about the gate. You hear him say to

0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:41.440
<v Speaker 2>the woman, I'm Paul Frampton. Is the airline giving me

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:44.240
<v Speaker 2>an upgrade to first class? The woman at the counter

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:46.360
<v Speaker 2>at the gate some houses says, no, you're not to

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 2>get an upgrade. You see them before, Paul Frampton does.

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 2>It looks like a police and dea task force. They

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 2>come in, matching jackets, hats, guns, lots of guns. They

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:58.680
<v Speaker 2>aim the guns at the physics professor. One Argentine officer

0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 2>asks him, are you Paul Frampton. The academic's answers, yeah, yes,

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:05.359
<v Speaker 2>but what the hell is going on? You now, wonder?

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Totally geeked out on this excellent people watching. This is

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 2>so rare, a police bust in the airport. This Argentine officer,

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:13.759
<v Speaker 2>he asked the rumpled professor, a second question, is this

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:17.839
<v Speaker 2>your bag? Mister Frampton? You lean in, waiting to hear

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 2>the answer. You hear the rumpled professor answer. He says,

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 2>that's my bag. The other one's not my bag, but

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 2>I checked it in. That's good enough for the cops.

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:28.439
<v Speaker 2>They arrest the rumble professor right in front of your eyes.

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:30.839
<v Speaker 2>He's dragged away as he argues in English, no, no stop,

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:32.240
<v Speaker 2>So wait, this is not supposed to happen.

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:36.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm Paul Frampton, So Elizabeth, yes.

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 2>You don't get to see it. But when the officers

0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:40.600
<v Speaker 2>take the rumpled physics professor into a secluded back area.

0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:43.200
<v Speaker 2>The officers rip open the lining of the baggage and

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:49.120
<v Speaker 2>they discover more than four pounds of cocayem. Oh wow, yes, Elizabeth,

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 2>do you know what a honeytrap is?

0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:50.840
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:53.279
<v Speaker 2>You do. Well, let's take a little break and after

0:36:53.320 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 2>this we'll get into discussing a honey trap. Elizabeth, I

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:19.680
<v Speaker 2>teased you before with the honey trap, said, you know

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:21.399
<v Speaker 2>what it is? Do you know what a honeytrap is?

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:23.959
<v Speaker 3>Isn't it when you like lure someone into a con

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 3>with a beautiful lady?

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or basically sex appeal. It can be a man,

0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:30.880
<v Speaker 2>a woman, whoever. You just say, hey, you typically it's

0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:33.120
<v Speaker 2>a woman and you if you bait the trap with

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 2>a woman, it almost never fails. It's kind of the

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 2>same except just a little more colloquially said. So it

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:41.000
<v Speaker 2>may surprise you, or it may not surprise you. Probably

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:42.960
<v Speaker 2>not to learn that Paul Frampton was far from the

0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:46.560
<v Speaker 2>first to fall for this long con drug sile muggler move. Yeah,

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 2>there was a woman from New Zealand, Sharon Armstrong. She

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:51.799
<v Speaker 2>fell home almost the exact same game. She was an executive, smart,

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 2>accomplished woman similar to Paul. She met a new guy online.

0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 2>They chatted online for months, then they made a plan

0:37:57.400 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 2>to meet in person. They would finally meet in person

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:02.319
<v Speaker 2>in life. She acters, of course, she made a quick

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 2>stop in Buenos Aires to grab some important business papers

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 2>for her lover. So she was arrested at the.

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:09.799
<v Speaker 3>Airport like a dancer at the thunder down under.

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:12.720
<v Speaker 2>But he's got my papers, my very important business papers.

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:16.960
<v Speaker 2>So she gets messed, five kilos of cocaine, tried, convicted,

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 2>she gets four years, ten months. So yeah, she also

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:22.760
<v Speaker 2>had the same judge in her case as Paul Frampton

0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 2>had in his case. Yes, So anyway, sitting in his

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Bueno Satter's prison, it's apparently an old style South American prison.

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 2>On the pavilion that he was staying on, on his level,

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 2>there were seventy nine other prisoners like him. Almost all

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.560
<v Speaker 2>of them claimed that they were innocent, and Paul Frampton

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:39.400
<v Speaker 2>was just another innocent man in prison with all these

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 2>other innocent men. But that's not how he saw it.

0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:44.720
<v Speaker 2>To his way of thinking, he was still someone special,

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:46.959
<v Speaker 2>as he told the New York Times reporter who flew

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.520
<v Speaker 2>down to interview him, quote, some people will say they're innocent,

0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:51.399
<v Speaker 2>but when I talked to them further it becomes very

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:53.920
<v Speaker 2>clear that they were somehow involved. I think people like

0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 2>me are less than one percent. He is, So now

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.800
<v Speaker 2>he's less than one percent. He's in an Argentine prison,

0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:04.320
<v Speaker 2>and yet he's gone up in the ranking himself. Anyway,

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:06.239
<v Speaker 2>So his fellow prisoners in prison guards, they used to

0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:07.920
<v Speaker 2>like to tease them, Ay, professor, have you won the

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:10.440
<v Speaker 2>no bell yet? So the New York Times included that

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 2>they're a little write up on him. I loved that

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:15.279
<v Speaker 2>note moment, just saying anyway, so please imagine this British born,

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Oxford educated theoretical physics professor sharing a prison pavilion in

0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:22.320
<v Speaker 2>an old South American prison was seventy nine other hardened criminals,

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:24.680
<v Speaker 2>all from South America, most of them on drug charges.

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Just picture that moment for a second. Let right, He

0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:30.840
<v Speaker 2>liked to get up early on Sunday mornings before his

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.280
<v Speaker 2>fellow inmates would awaken, and he put on the classical

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:36.359
<v Speaker 2>music station and the French Yeah exactly, And then when

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 2>the hard men woke up, they'd switch it back to

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:40.879
<v Speaker 2>a music video channel that played music they wanted to hear.

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Thus was life in prison for Paul. Now, of course,

0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:45.759
<v Speaker 2>plenty of picks of the real Denise Malaney. They would

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:47.839
<v Speaker 2>make it into prison, and his fellow inmates were sure

0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:49.880
<v Speaker 2>to send them over to Paul, like, look, your girlfriend,

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:50.799
<v Speaker 2>she's in another.

0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:52.520
<v Speaker 3>Magazines every time she's rough.

0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was tough on him, so he got to

0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:55.880
<v Speaker 2>see how his girlfriend was doing on the outside.

0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, before he was convicted and locked up, Paul Frampton

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:01.279
<v Speaker 2>never thought he'd be found guilty. The trouble for him

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.840
<v Speaker 2>was that the prosecutors had his text messages and his

0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 2>chats with not Denise Malani.

0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:05.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 2>The trouble was that the theoretic physics professor took the stand.

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 2>And you don't watch TV, Elizabeth, but I do. And

0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I know this from law and order. Never take the

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 2>stand if you don't have to, NH.

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, he took the stand.

0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 2>So, according to the Argentine prosecutor, Frampton had sent highly

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:25.319
<v Speaker 2>questionable text to not Denise Malani. They had his phone

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:27.400
<v Speaker 2>after all, right, So the prosecutor goes into court and

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 2>he reads out the text to not Denise Malani and

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:32.800
<v Speaker 2>he's like, quote, on January twenty second, the nine to

0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 2>forty six am, you wrote from Aziza Airport to the

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:38.560
<v Speaker 2>person you understood to be Denise Milani. Quote was worried

0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:42.919
<v Speaker 2>only about sniffer dogs, but more so Oh no, thought

0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 2>his defense attorney. Yeah yeah, things are not looking good

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:49.520
<v Speaker 2>for old Paul Shampton. So the prosecutor would read more

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:51.440
<v Speaker 2>of these text messages aloud, And there was one from

0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:54.360
<v Speaker 2>nine to fifty two in the morning of his airport arrests. Quote,

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:56.680
<v Speaker 2>need to know if your loyalties with the bad guy

0:40:56.760 --> 0:41:00.920
<v Speaker 2>agent and Bolivian friends or good guy your husband. Oh no.

0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:03.920
<v Speaker 2>There was another damning text from nine to fifty six am.

0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:05.880
<v Speaker 2>It was about the hotel in Brussels where they were

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.880
<v Speaker 2>planning to meet. The hotel was called Seru Elizabeth Siru.

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:13.240
<v Speaker 2>So this Frampton text. Frampton texted not Denise Malani quote

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 2>zero in all caps, right to the hotel. Zero zero

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 2>is ambush a right, that's it. Another at ten fourteen am.

0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 2>So now twenty minutes later, quote, your naivete is bad

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:28.279
<v Speaker 2>for me us this is millions no zero, okay, all

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:34.800
<v Speaker 2>caps at am. Seriously, he starts winding his own pedal,

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:37.360
<v Speaker 2>and at eleven nineteen am, sitting there at the airport

0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:40.160
<v Speaker 2>waiting for his flight to finally meet Not Denise Milani,

0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Frampton switches it up and sends her an email. He's like,

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:45.400
<v Speaker 2>you're apparently not getting my text messages, and he directly

0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 2>references the cocaine in the email. Always a bad place

0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:49.920
<v Speaker 2>to reference cocaine is in your emails.

0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:55.799
<v Speaker 3>This is the email totally. Denise said, no.

0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:59.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know any email, but he writes, quote, this

0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:02.480
<v Speaker 2>stuff is worth nothing in Bolivia, but millions in Europe.

0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:04.319
<v Speaker 2>You meet me at the airport and we do not

0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:08.320
<v Speaker 2>go near the hotel. The agent suggested stay at another hotel.

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:09.960
<v Speaker 3>So he's in yeah.

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 2>This way, it's pretty much clear that he's arranging the

0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:15.719
<v Speaker 2>cocaine deal that he thinks he's doing with, not Denise Mula.

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:17.920
<v Speaker 3>So it's not like, oh I didn't know my luggage.

0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:21.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, no, no, yeah. He's texting like he's

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:22.840
<v Speaker 2>in a crime movie and he's looking at for the

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 2>double cross. He's like to convinced. He's like now in heat.

0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:28.080
<v Speaker 2>So he just wants he and his baby to do

0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 2>one last deal and then get free together. There's more

0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:34.839
<v Speaker 2>texting emails, so then forty seven am Forramny goes back

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 2>to text messages. He writes, Monday arrival change. You must

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:40.439
<v Speaker 2>not tell the coca goons. So now he actually puts

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:43.239
<v Speaker 2>in the word Coca. Oh god, yeah, yeah, it's not

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:45.120
<v Speaker 2>like a band name Coca. You want to see the

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.879
<v Speaker 2>Coca Goons, You know your friends, the Cocagoons. Yeah.

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:47.960
<v Speaker 1>No.

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:50.239
<v Speaker 2>So twelve sixteen pm he writes in all caps because

0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 2>now apparently he's redlining, He writes, why are you ignoring

0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:56.719
<v Speaker 2>me at this last moment, we did not decide how

0:42:56.719 --> 0:43:00.480
<v Speaker 2>to meet tomorrow in Brussels and keep Coca and lives zero.

0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:05.319
<v Speaker 2>We may lose both, not at Zeru brother sitting right

0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 2>there in that airport. But barely he calms down because

0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 2>at one oh six he then tries to get back

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:12.440
<v Speaker 2>into her like graces. He's now texting the normal letters,

0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 2>not all caps. We may do a cool one million.

0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:16.840
<v Speaker 3>So, oh my god.

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 2>The Big Prosecutor asked Frampton to explain his text. He

0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:23.480
<v Speaker 2>told the court that they were just jokes. No, he

0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:25.239
<v Speaker 2>told the New York Times quote, I was trying to

0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 2>keep Denise amused. I had already decided to fly back

0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:31.520
<v Speaker 2>to North Carolina. So to keep not Denise Millennia mused,

0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:34.320
<v Speaker 2>he sent her roughly thirty messages and emails. Now it

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 2>seemed very amusing to me. I mean like I laughed, yes.

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:39.760
<v Speaker 4>Card.

0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:42.719
<v Speaker 2>So what was really wild was how Chile was in

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:45.279
<v Speaker 2>the airport while he's sending all these text messages. He's

0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:47.360
<v Speaker 2>got the bag of cocaine, right, and now we know

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:50.440
<v Speaker 2>he knows is there. The prosecutor played security footage from

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:52.200
<v Speaker 2>all his time at the airport, so he's the airport

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:54.200
<v Speaker 2>security camera right and in the foot did you see

0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Paul Frampton working at a cafe table. Then he just

0:43:56.520 --> 0:44:00.279
<v Speaker 2>gets up, he wanders away from his open laptop. He's

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:02.799
<v Speaker 2>leaves on the table next to the two bags. One

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 2>is filled with pounds of cocaine, and he just wanders

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:08.760
<v Speaker 2>away and he's just like, I'll just lead by behind

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:11.080
<v Speaker 2>my mismatching his and her luggage with the coke, one

0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:14.880
<v Speaker 2>in one without. So he's gone for twenty five minutes.

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:18.000
<v Speaker 2>He comes back. He's doing windows shopping. He's window shopping.

0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 2>He's just sitting there looking in like how much for

0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:23.120
<v Speaker 2>the bottle of rum? And then he's.

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:25.240
<v Speaker 3>Taking that Brookstone neck pillow.

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:28.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly, I want one for her, one for me,

0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:31.279
<v Speaker 2>one for her. Anyway, at twenty five minutes past he

0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:33.960
<v Speaker 2>comes back. He uh checks on his stuff and then

0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:35.480
<v Speaker 2>he's like, you know what I want to go check

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 2>out Brookstone pillow again. Yeah, he goes to another one.

0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:39.960
<v Speaker 2>He's gone for another half an hour. He leaves all

0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:43.000
<v Speaker 2>the stuff behind again. Apparently he's far more trusting than

0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:43.920
<v Speaker 2>anyone I've ever known.

0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:44.440
<v Speaker 3>Really.

0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so a guy. He also apparently believes, like my

0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:50.759
<v Speaker 2>mother does, that God protects fools and children, and he

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 2>ain't a child. So yeah. Anyway, there's a lot of

0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:55.680
<v Speaker 2>other damning evidence in the court case, Like there was

0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:57.960
<v Speaker 2>calculations he had done of how much the kilos of

0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:00.640
<v Speaker 2>cocaine would be worth, and it was in frampton handwriting.

0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:04.160
<v Speaker 2>According to Frampton, he'd done those calculations after he was arrested.

0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:05.880
<v Speaker 2>He was just trying to figure out to calculate the

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:07.920
<v Speaker 2>street value of the cocaine he was caught smuggling. He

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 2>was just like, I just want to see what I

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 2>was gonna be thrown at me. So I did a couple,

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:13.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, back of the envelope calculations and the calculations

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:16.680
<v Speaker 2>like one gram two hundred dollars, two thousand grams, four

0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:20.040
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand dollars. Turns out he was caught with nineteen

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:23.400
<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty grams cocaine, and the calculations were more

0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:25.759
<v Speaker 2>evidence that quote, my mind works in a strange way.

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it does. Buddy, you're out there calculating. You make

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:31.160
<v Speaker 2>one is you're taking notes on a criminal conspiracy, right

0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 2>like the Stringer Bell rule. You're just broke right off

0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:35.840
<v Speaker 2>the back. And also you're a physicist. Can't you do

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:37.440
<v Speaker 2>these in your head? I mean you can't you do

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:41.200
<v Speaker 2>these numbers? That was multiplying by two? Well, one ram

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:44.280
<v Speaker 2>two hundred dollars, two thousand grams, four h two thousand dollars.

0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:45.879
<v Speaker 2>That's multiplying by two.

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 3>Does they have a calculator on his phone?

0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Anyway, I don't get it anyway. So after he

0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:54.200
<v Speaker 2>also he decided, you know, mom amusing myself. He calculated

0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:56.600
<v Speaker 2>the odds that not Denise mulaney would marry him. Oh

0:45:56.680 --> 0:46:00.880
<v Speaker 2>get no prosecutor quoted than the note he had quote

0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:05.520
<v Speaker 2>five standard deviations ninety nine point nine nine four percent.

0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Frampton then explained, quote the criterion for the discovery of

0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:11.919
<v Speaker 2>the Higgs boson had to be five standard deviations, which

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 2>means it's extremely unlikely to be a statistical fluctuation. Yeah.

0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Quote calculating the probability that Denise Malani would become my

0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:20.280
<v Speaker 2>second wife, which was almost a certainty.

0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:23.640
<v Speaker 3>No, but she's in that point zero zero zero six.

0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:27.239
<v Speaker 2>So, as I told you, you said that they're all

0:46:27.280 --> 0:46:31.160
<v Speaker 2>bad jokes. Unsurprisingly, that did not work as a court defense,

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:33.840
<v Speaker 2>even in Argentina, which apparently he had very little respect

0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:36.239
<v Speaker 2>for their court, and the court found him guilty. He

0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:38.400
<v Speaker 2>sent him to prison, as I've already told you, Elizabeth,

0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 2>and he went four years eight months.

0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:41.720
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's where he got to sit and think

0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:45.520
<v Speaker 2>about all those emails he sent to not denise Malani.

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.560
<v Speaker 2>How he'd laid out their future together. Naturally, he told

0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:51.399
<v Speaker 2>her that she'd relocate to where he lived, and she'd

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:53.560
<v Speaker 2>moved to North Carolina and then they'd make a life

0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:55.880
<v Speaker 2>together in Chapel Hill. He told the bikini model that

0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:57.719
<v Speaker 2>she would have to leave all that behind, as she

0:46:57.760 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 2>already wanted to, because she'd have to be ready for

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:02.440
<v Speaker 2>the wife of a college professor. It's a totally different

0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:05.240
<v Speaker 2>skill set herself. Yeah. She wouldn't have to work, of course,

0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:07.160
<v Speaker 2>because he had his work, and she could spend her

0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:09.400
<v Speaker 2>time working out and making girlfriends at the gym or

0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:11.879
<v Speaker 2>yoga studio or wherever else she decided to keep fit.

0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 2>And when he got home his hard day of calculating

0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:17.439
<v Speaker 2>bosons and leptons, they go down to the shore, maybe

0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:20.000
<v Speaker 2>take a long walk on the beach. He literally is

0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:22.160
<v Speaker 2>the guy who likes long walks on the beach, so

0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:23.080
<v Speaker 2>he was like, what do you like to do? I

0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:27.600
<v Speaker 2>like long walks on the beach. Eventually, she'scases she would

0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:30.000
<v Speaker 2>get pregnant with one of their many children, and after

0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:32.120
<v Speaker 2>she lost the baby weight, maybe she would go back

0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:34.720
<v Speaker 2>to work as a lingerie model. She could get a contract.

0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:37.160
<v Speaker 2>Was Victoria's secrets, because you know, his mind is in

0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:37.760
<v Speaker 2>the nineties.

0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:41.560
<v Speaker 3>So he's like, you know, I just want to stand

0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:43.400
<v Speaker 3>behind him and kick him in the back of the knees,

0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:45.200
<v Speaker 3>just watch him crumble.

0:47:45.640 --> 0:47:49.759
<v Speaker 2>At one point, this fake cocaine cowboy, he told the

0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:52.360
<v Speaker 2>not Denise Malaney, You're the best thing that's happened in

0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:55.279
<v Speaker 2>my cursed life. I just hope that the scumbag reading

0:47:55.320 --> 0:48:00.920
<v Speaker 2>it on the other was absolutely Hector come here. So

0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:03.120
<v Speaker 2>eventually the dude gets out of prison, and he'd spent

0:48:03.200 --> 0:48:06.400
<v Speaker 2>time working on his papers, his calculations because he's a physicist.

0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:09.560
<v Speaker 2>No no, but he did work on new papers of colleagues.

0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:11.000
<v Speaker 2>He got some journal papers out of it. He was

0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:14.960
<v Speaker 2>advising students from his prison. So, yeah, he still had

0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:17.360
<v Speaker 2>one hope in his life that somehow he'd only imagined

0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:19.560
<v Speaker 2>in his mind that would be proven real by some

0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:21.960
<v Speaker 2>other scientists experiment and that one day he'd win a

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Nobel Prize based on one of his predictions. Right, And

0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:26.719
<v Speaker 2>he'd made plenty of predictions of new particles, all sorts

0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:28.879
<v Speaker 2>of physical models, And he told The New York Times

0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:31.719
<v Speaker 2>quote that would bring an enormous sense of fulfillment quite

0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:34.439
<v Speaker 2>apart from the Nobel Prize. I predicted a particle that's

0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 2>actually in the universe. Wouldn't that be a rush? Much

0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:40.319
<v Speaker 2>better than other ways of getting a lot of dopamine? Bro,

0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:43.000
<v Speaker 2>that's what love does. Love makes you feel like, oh,

0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:44.920
<v Speaker 2>you know anyway, but anyway. So when one of his

0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:47.680
<v Speaker 2>emails and not Denise Malani, Paul Frampton wrote, quote, I

0:48:47.719 --> 0:48:50.200
<v Speaker 2>only think of cuddling all day and having sex all

0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:52.960
<v Speaker 2>night with Denise Malani. How can you prove that you

0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:57.480
<v Speaker 2>are Denise Malani. Since he didn't have a fellow scientist

0:48:57.560 --> 0:49:00.680
<v Speaker 2>to confirm his prediction that she was indeed Denise Malanie,

0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:04.120
<v Speaker 2>he had to rely on his own mental and emotional calculations.

0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:07.799
<v Speaker 2>He decided she's real and he was obviously wrong. So

0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:10.480
<v Speaker 2>now he at at one point did contact a forensic

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.200
<v Speaker 2>linguist to ask him to go over some text messages

0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:15.760
<v Speaker 2>to prove that he had not written the text messages

0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:19.080
<v Speaker 2>and because he claimed I quote I didn't write the text.

0:49:19.120 --> 0:49:20.960
<v Speaker 2>I've always known that they were invented. They were invented

0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:24.960
<v Speaker 2>by or or for the prosecutor in my trial. The

0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:28.000
<v Speaker 2>forensic linguist say he hacked he hired, reported that Frampton's

0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:29.799
<v Speaker 2>emails are written in a very formal style and that

0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:31.600
<v Speaker 2>no one would expect a professor to use that sort

0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:34.200
<v Speaker 2>of language in his emails to a not Denise mulaney.

0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:36.839
<v Speaker 2>But that was not the case, and quote, approximately six

0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:39.959
<v Speaker 2>hundred words of running text, there's only one contraction, which

0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:41.839
<v Speaker 2>was in a message he wrote he said, I'll try

0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:44.520
<v Speaker 2>to send you a more specific email tomorrow. The rest

0:49:44.560 --> 0:49:47.040
<v Speaker 2>of the time in his text messages, he's substituting the

0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:49.680
<v Speaker 2>number two for the infinitive too. He's putting in the

0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:52.960
<v Speaker 2>word you for the word you. Didn't seem like him.

0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:55.520
<v Speaker 2>It seemed much more like a text speak from like

0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:57.799
<v Speaker 2>a teenager. Then there was also the fact that when

0:49:57.800 --> 0:50:00.279
<v Speaker 2>one of the text messages which is member. This is

0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:04.960
<v Speaker 2>a monolingual theoretical physicist. In his text messages, he apparently

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:08.640
<v Speaker 2>wrote situ like situation in Spanish with the sea. So

0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:12.440
<v Speaker 2>that's only something that usually a native Spanish speaker would do. Anyway,

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:14.000
<v Speaker 2>the forensic linguist, they went on the whole thing, and

0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:16.080
<v Speaker 2>they say quote. In addition to the above points, I

0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:18.400
<v Speaker 2>suggest the text message read like a film script. This

0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:21.239
<v Speaker 2>phrase is such as sniffer dogs, the apparent obsession of

0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:24.759
<v Speaker 2>the writer with loyalty and therefore it's antithesis betrayal, the

0:50:24.840 --> 0:50:28.360
<v Speaker 2>danger ergo as in life death, situacion, the reference to

0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:32.359
<v Speaker 2>weapons as in with no gun, and I suggest melodramatic

0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:35.520
<v Speaker 2>want to kiss you before I die. As the linguals

0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:38.920
<v Speaker 2>concluded the quote, the preoccupations inherent these messages, and more importantly,

0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:41.120
<v Speaker 2>the terms in which they are expressed, are not compatible

0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:43.480
<v Speaker 2>with a person who has spent his life in academia.

0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, it's kind of like the thing I

0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:46.399
<v Speaker 2>always tell you. If I was gonna go do a crime,

0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:47.880
<v Speaker 2>I would just give my phone to a friend and

0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:49.440
<v Speaker 2>have them walk around with it. Because police are so

0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:51.400
<v Speaker 2>convinced that if they see your phone somewhere, that's you.

0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:53.560
<v Speaker 2>If I was an academic trying to get away with this,

0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:56.279
<v Speaker 2>I would type like that somebody who's not me. But

0:50:56.520 --> 0:51:00.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't bet he he did that. So he said

0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:02.879
<v Speaker 2>he blamed the translator. He said that when he said

0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:04.560
<v Speaker 2>he was in court and he said that the text

0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:06.640
<v Speaker 2>messages were his and he was joking. He's like, no,

0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:08.200
<v Speaker 2>that's not what I said. I said the prosecutor and

0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:10.040
<v Speaker 2>must be joking. So that's how you tried to get

0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:11.880
<v Speaker 2>out of it. So he's over here using all of

0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 2>his big brain to try to come up with weird lies. Anyway,

0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:17.480
<v Speaker 2>he chalks up all of it. It didn't work. He

0:51:17.520 --> 0:51:19.719
<v Speaker 2>decided he's not going to try to go after the

0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:22.920
<v Speaker 2>prosecutor at Argentina. He said that, you know, quote, the

0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:25.120
<v Speaker 2>whole thing was surreal. Just you know, I'm just gonna say,

0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:27.279
<v Speaker 2>the whole thing was cereal. And he's shocked the whole

0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:30.160
<v Speaker 2>experience up to not his own foolish, ego driven fantasies,

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<v Speaker 2>but rather that the Argentine prosecutor was just out to

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<v Speaker 2>get him. So there's a conspiracy too, as he told

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<v Speaker 2>The New York Times, quote, you might say, what did

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<v Speaker 2>they have against Paul Frampton? And if you as if

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<v Speaker 2>you press him, he will add the Argentinian system is

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<v Speaker 2>totally corrupt. Do you think that the prosecutor is going

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<v Speaker 2>to admit he created this evidence? Not a chance on Argentina.

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<v Speaker 2>That's far less likely than him winning a Nobel prize,

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<v Speaker 2>And given his choice, Paul Frampton's going to focus on

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<v Speaker 2>that Nobel prize. So there you go, the cocaine tails

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<v Speaker 2>of the not. Denise Malani, Oh gosh, what's a ridiculous

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<v Speaker 2>take away, Elizabeth?

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<v Speaker 3>Ridiculous takeaway is that you can be BookSmart, but that's

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<v Speaker 3>street smart, as we all know. And that's street smarts

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<v Speaker 3>for maybe a little bit more important. And I say

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<v Speaker 3>that as an educator, former teacher, I love the former teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>As a professor. Do you want to say that one

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<v Speaker 2>more time? Just for the listeners like me?

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes I think street smarts are a little more important

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<v Speaker 3>than book smarts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, uph I Burnette, you gotta just say it. That's

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<v Speaker 2>on the record. Yes, all right, So thanks for listening, folks,

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<v Speaker 2>and thanks for asking me about my ridiculous takeaway.

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<v Speaker 3>I really care.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, Well mine was you can't always trust a

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<v Speaker 2>big button to smile. Apparently the same is true for

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<v Speaker 2>big breasts, So there you go, or a physicist. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so three things we learned today. Anyway, all as always,

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