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Speaker 1: Welcome to Forties and Free Agents, America's breakaway limited series

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Speaker 1: hit talking free agency and the draft. It's Jeremiah's favorite

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Speaker 1: time of year. I'm Greg Rossthal, That's Daniel Jeremiah, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's draft season and now it's Padre season.

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Speaker 2: DJ, get excited.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited. I wish you had an open up with

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Speaker 3: the Braves, to be honest, I don't know that I

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Speaker 3: love seeing them for four games to kick off the year.

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Speaker 3: Would have liked a little easier competition. But it's draft season.

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Speaker 3: It's almost April, and it's you know, look in the

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Speaker 3: rearview mirror, I mean free agency. Your time of year

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Speaker 3: is so far behind us, and we're so much in

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Speaker 3: the mix now of the proper way to build a roster,

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Speaker 3: which is through the draft.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I took your notes from last week.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, carry my weight on the show

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Speaker 1: today because we're going to go through all the teams

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Speaker 1: that have new head coaches and we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: how they've built the team through free agency, and then

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Speaker 1: we're going to look ahead to the draft and just

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Speaker 1: as a team building exercise. I know there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of teams that are out there, they listen to

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Speaker 1: this show and they want DJ running their team, and

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Speaker 1: so maybe this will be like a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a preview. How would you run these seven teams, DJ,

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Speaker 1: if you were in charge.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's absolutely no truth any of that you just said.

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Speaker 3: But let's get started on the show. What do we got?

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Speaker 1: Okay, we got Russell Wilson going to the Giants. I

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Speaker 1: thought we just have a little bit of news before

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Speaker 1: we get into the seven teams. And Russell Wilson signing

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Speaker 1: with the Giants since we last talked. Also Jamis Winston

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Speaker 1: signing with the Giants since we last talked. And Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson talks a good game in his first press conference,

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Speaker 1: saying he expects to be the starting quarterback. But I

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Speaker 1: look at the contract, which is only ten point five

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Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed. You add him and Jamis Winston up

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Speaker 1: together and it adds up to about what Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 1: the former Giant, is making with the Cults. So to me,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that changes what's going on at number three.

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Speaker 2: What do you think in terms of how it affects

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Speaker 2: a draft.

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Speaker 3: I think if they love Schduor they'd still take him there.

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Speaker 3: But I also look at it, Greg, and I'm always

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Speaker 3: looking at windows right and looking at you know, timelines

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Speaker 3: and the pressure and the urgency, and it feels like

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Speaker 3: the Giants, everyone involved there needs to win right now.

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Speaker 3: So you could make a case that you say, Okay,

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Speaker 3: well Russ or Jamis, you know, assume Russell ended up

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Speaker 3: winning that job. We take Travis Hunter uh with the

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Speaker 3: third pick, and then we come back and if we

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Speaker 3: want to, we can get Tyler Shuck. We could we

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Speaker 3: could take a Jackson Darter or whoever in that in

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Speaker 3: that second round. But feeling like that third pick, combined

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Speaker 3: with what we just did with the veteran, maybe that

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Speaker 3: think even if if Schudur were to go out there

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Speaker 3: there's major changers, major changes there. So I took this.

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Speaker 3: You know, if I'm just giving my opinion, I think, yeah, sure,

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Speaker 3: all options are still open with the draft, but I

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Three, that's a surprising answer to me. I guess I

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Speaker 1: would look at it if I was Brian Dable and

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Speaker 1: path to keeping your job is to make a rookie

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson over the last four seasons in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: of his season with Pittsburgh. The odds on him upgrading

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Speaker 1: your team that much, to me.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that high.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's an argument to be made

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Speaker 1: great quarterback coach in terms of Brian Dable and sure,

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Speaker 1: win six or seven games, that might actually be better

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Speaker 1: with Russell Will and Jamis Winston. They're telling you what

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Speaker 1: think it'd be better for their job security to try

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Speaker 3: Of the I think they need to win games. This

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Speaker 3: team was won three games last year. They were thirty

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Speaker 3: leaning in that direction, not saying they don't end up

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Speaker 1: Okay, now you're changing my mind on what's going to happen,

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Speaker 1: So we'll talk a little later.

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Speaker 2: I'm introducing a new segment, might be a one time thing.

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Speaker 2: If we don't like it.

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Speaker 1: I'm putting DJ on the clock with some of the

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Speaker 1: questions I have for him, and Cinder's got to come

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Speaker 1: up in that. But let's get to what we're going

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Speaker 1: to spend most of the show on, and we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about the seven teams that have new head coaches,

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Speaker 1: and just going through the names, you got Brian Schottenheimer

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore and the Saints, and then Ben Johnson with

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Speaker 1: diving in. Was there one of those that was like

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Speaker 1: a best fit for you that you were most excited about?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think Ben Johnson'd be the obvious answer there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a team that all their eggs

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Speaker 3: the brightest minds, offensive minds, and has a clear vision

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Speaker 3: on the surface, looked like the best match, the best fit.

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Speaker 1: He has more hype, I think in terms of sustained

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Speaker 2: There was one more season.

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Speaker 1: After that with Castle, but he actually did a great

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Speaker 1: that's the most exciting fit. And you're putting them with

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Speaker 1: about that. How about the biggest project. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: go first on this one. I'm not going to go Patriots.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of holes there, but the expectations

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Speaker 2: I actually think the Pete.

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas is maybe a bigger project because unlike the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: they haven't been just losing for a few years. They've

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Speaker 1: what you know is a tough division.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an interesting point, I would say, and we'll

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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what they are or what they're

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Speaker 3: reset comes when you bring in a new head coach.

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Speaker 3: They didn't do it here with Kellum. They they kind

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Speaker 3: of just pushed everything out again. So that's a high

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not knowing what the Saints are doing is I

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Speaker 1: let's review a little bit what they've done in free agency.

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Speaker 1: They've added three potential starters on offense. Morgan Moses at

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Speaker 1: I would say on the defensive side, Carlton Davis at cornerback,

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Speaker 1: Mac Collins is bringing his his stanky feet there. Dot

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Speaker 1: Diggs is a guy who just signed got more money

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Speaker 1: than I expected. Do you think coming off a tour

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Speaker 3: Well, it is interesting because i'd heard, you know, just

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Speaker 3: talking to people in around the league, and they thought,

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Speaker 3: you know, the Patriots, I think they'd be willing to

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Speaker 3: move back. This is before the Stefan Diggs move, and

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Speaker 3: a lot of times you hear this stuff. This time

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Speaker 3: you're Greg, so I always caution, but look that is

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Speaker 3: you know that's out there. You know they're a team

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Speaker 3: them trying to find another offensive lineman, knowing there's not

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Speaker 3: necessarily the value there at pick number four. I still

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Speaker 3: think if Travis Hunter were to get to that pick,

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Speaker 3: I think you almost just have to take him, and

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Speaker 3: then you throw him in there on offense, and now

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Speaker 3: you're sprinkling him a little bit on defense, major him

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Speaker 3: on offense, sprinkle him on defense, and now with Stefon Diggs,

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Speaker 3: you've got a functional offense. This is a team statistically

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Speaker 3: last year was thirtieth and points per game. They had

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Speaker 3: there was a lot of work to do on offense,

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Speaker 1: Okay, Donovan Jackson, they'd be happy getting the guard.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: I like you saying I kind of hinting I didn't

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Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no. I take that back, Greg.

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Speaker 3: That would imply that you're not a professional. You are

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Speaker 1: It?

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Speaker 3: Is it like quality stuff that you're doing. Man, that's

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Speaker 1: I have to admit I do not know what third

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Speaker 1: See, I don't even need to ask you DJ how

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Speaker 1: When when a guy is that great a prospect and

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Speaker 1: They brought in Robert Hainsey, who Liam Cohen was familiar

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Speaker 1: giving to them in terms of your pick, because I'm

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Speaker 1: with you on the gent at five is smart because

438
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Speaker 1: to me, this is a team full of singles. I

439
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Speaker 1: actually don't think they have a lot of screaming needs.

440
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Speaker 1: It's a decent roster where they're pretty solid at every position,

441
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Speaker 1: but they're just not They're not special at most outside

442
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Speaker 1: of a Josh Allen and Brian Thomas.

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Speaker 2: So like, where are you looking the the rest of

444
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Speaker 2: these picks?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not sold on Walker Little at left tackle,

446
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Speaker 3: so that's one place where I'm looking, and I know

447
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Speaker 3: there's differing opinions there. So I had them going, let's

448
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Speaker 3: go with the fun one, Let's go with gent at five,

449
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Speaker 3: and then let's come back. I went offense here for

450
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Speaker 3: the first three picks. I came back with Josh Connery

451
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Speaker 3: tackle from Oregon, who if you needed him to, could

452
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Speaker 3: kick in and play guard. But that's about the range

453
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Speaker 3: of where he he's you know, gonna go late first,

454
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Speaker 3: early second. I had Jack Besh, big physical receiver, you know,

455
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Speaker 3: and I think someone that can win on third down,

456
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Speaker 3: win in the red zone out of TCU. You know,

457
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Speaker 3: he's got a great story. If you haven't heard it,

458
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Speaker 3: you need to, you know, google that one. Read up

459
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Speaker 3: on his background. It's pretty it's pretty incredible. And then

460
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Speaker 3: I had them going on the defensive side of the

461
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Speaker 3: ball with the safety and Jalen Read at a Penn

462
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Speaker 3: State at pick eighty eight. But those four picks, I

463
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Speaker 3: tend to lean offense three of the four, just because

464
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Speaker 3: of what we discussed. I think this has to be

465
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Speaker 3: an off season and a draft dedicated to getting Trevor

466
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Speaker 3: Lawrence where he needs to be.

467
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Speaker 1: And I think they filled some holes in free agency.

468
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Speaker 1: They weren't quite as aggressive as I thought, but ultimately

469
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Speaker 1: I look at it and like they brought into safety

470
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Speaker 1: Eric Murray, they think can start Jordan Lewis at nickel back.

471
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Speaker 1: If you look at their defense, they have a starting eleven.

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Speaker 1: So I'm with you, load up on the offense, help

473
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Speaker 1: out Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 2: And they got a ton of picks.

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Speaker 1: And you said, like some people you know disagree about

476
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Speaker 1: the Walker Little evaluation. You know who disagrees with you, BALKI,

477
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Speaker 1: this is this is and I'm not saying I'm not

478
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Speaker 1: saying the Jaguars are a bad organization, but they've had

479
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Speaker 1: a lot of losing lately, and this is what happens

480
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Speaker 1: when you keep changing out your GM. They gave Walker

481
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Speaker 1: Little that contract at the very end of last season,

482
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Speaker 1: like that, they just gave it to him and then

483
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Speaker 1: they fired the GM late in the process, so then

484
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Speaker 1: the new people come in and then they have that contract.

485
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Speaker 1: And he's not a bad player, but this is kind

486
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Speaker 1: of what happens when you're having too much turnover.

487
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Speaker 2: And you do got to give trend.

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Speaker 1: Balki a little bit of a shout out for that

489
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Speaker 1: third and extra fourth round pick that that trade he

490
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Speaker 1: made for Dallas Turner looks good and it's not helping

491
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Speaker 1: him out. Let's go to the Raiders Pete Carroll and

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Speaker 1: John spy Tech, who is coming from Tampa Bay their

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Speaker 1: new general manager.

494
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Speaker 2: We're hitting all the hits here.

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Speaker 1: Let's actually listen to John spy Tech from the scouting comment.

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Speaker 5: When you started going through the roster when we first

497
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Speaker 5: got to to Vegas, like, oh, we've got some we

498
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Speaker 5: got some good young pieces here that we can really

499
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Speaker 5: build up and in a place where it's really critical

500
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Speaker 5: and my belief and my success is really in this

501
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Speaker 5: in this league to have that, and you know, we're

502
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Speaker 5: going to keep churning through that until we have the

503
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Speaker 5: right group together, because it's about having talented guys, but

504
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Speaker 5: it's about the cohesion in the groups. The best ones

505
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Speaker 5: I've been a part of that group in Tampa last year.

506
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Speaker 5: They just they kind of walk lockstep together. They're kind

507
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Speaker 5: of about the same things. They hang out together. I

508
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Speaker 5: mean that that is kind of one of those position

509
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Speaker 5: groups where it really matters, and so, you know, but

510
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Speaker 5: we got a great foundation there, and we got a

511
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Speaker 5: great foundation on the d line too with with Max

512
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Speaker 5: and Christian and you know, Malcolm Konz has done some

513
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Speaker 5: good things and so you know, it's a great place

514
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Speaker 5: to start.

515
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Speaker 3: But we do have a big challenge in front of us.

516
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Speaker 3: So it's one that we're excited about.

517
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Speaker 2: It is a big challenge.

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Speaker 1: The more I looked at this roster, there's this whole

519
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Speaker 1: idea DJ that they're going to try to rebuild fast

520
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Speaker 1: because it's Pete Carroll and Gino certainly isn't, you know,

521
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Speaker 1: the youngest of quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: That sounds good.

523
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Speaker 1: But their number one receivers Jacobe Myers, he's on the

524
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Speaker 1: last year of his contract. Their number two is Tray Tucker.

525
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Speaker 1: Their offensive line is in place, and yet I think

526
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Speaker 1: they could use some upgrades there. Raheem Moster is potentially

527
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Speaker 1: they're starting running back, and then they lost good players

528
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Speaker 1: in free agency. They lost Trevon morg They lost Nate

529
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Speaker 1: Hobbs as a nickelback. Like they need almost everything, especially linebackers,

530
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Speaker 1: and in the secondarily, who is their best cornerbacks is

531
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Speaker 1: Jack Jones? Maybe I don't know if those are Pete

532
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Speaker 1: Carroll guys goes. So I don't think this is a

533
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Speaker 1: team is a mess. They're just taking over. But I

534
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Speaker 1: don't even know where to start with them. I don't

535
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Speaker 1: know if that's a good thing or a bad thing

536
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Speaker 1: if you're running the team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what spy Tech talked about. By the way,

538
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Speaker 3: I've known him for a long time. He's very well regarded,

539
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Speaker 3: very well respected. I'm excited for him getting that opportunity.

540
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Speaker 3: I think he'll do He'll do a really good job there.

541
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Speaker 3: To me, the defensive line is their strength right now.

542
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Speaker 3: And if Koons is healthy and they can you know,

543
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Speaker 3: they didn't have Christian Wilkins healthy last year. They didn't

544
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Speaker 3: have Max you know. So you get all those guys

545
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Speaker 3: healthy on the field together playing together, I think that

546
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Speaker 3: is that's going to be the strength of their football team.

547
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Speaker 3: So you start there and you kind of build from there.

548
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Speaker 3: I had this thought with them, I had them taking

549
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Speaker 3: Ashton genty in the mock draft at number six, which

550
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Speaker 3: would just you know, look, I think he's a great player,

551
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Speaker 3: so he's he's he's rated up there for me to

552
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Speaker 3: make that a worthy pick. But I also had this

553
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Speaker 3: conversation with Jack Andraid researcher extraordinaiy, and he's always coming

554
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Speaker 3: up with good ideas and looking at my old reports

555
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 3: and and different drafts, and we're in this constant dialogue,

556
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Speaker 3: and he gave me a great nugget. He knows how

557
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Speaker 3: much I like Jedi Baron from from Texas, and Baron,

558
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: who's you know, play inside, can play outside, takes the

559
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Speaker 3: ball away, real feisty, real tough, real aggressive. And he

560
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Speaker 3: was like, well, you know Pete coming out of Seattle

561
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Speaker 3: and Devin Witherspoon. Remember everybody said they'll never take Witherspoon

562
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Speaker 3: because he's not the prototypical, you know, tall, long, you

563
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Speaker 3: know press corner that he's used to, you know in

564
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Speaker 3: those Seattle defenses. Kind of broke the mold there, and

565
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Speaker 3: Witherspoon's been a great player. So maybe that's, uh, you know,

566
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Speaker 3: maybe that's a name to throw in the mix there

567
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Speaker 3: at number six.

568
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Speaker 1: That would be interesting, and it's a great point because

569
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Speaker 1: you think of Carol and you think of those big cornerbacks,

570
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Speaker 1: but they had success with all sorts of different types

571
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Speaker 1: of cornerbacks in Seattle, and the guys that they have

572
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Speaker 1: there now, Jack Jones, Ja, Cory and Bennett. Like Jack

573
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Speaker 1: Jones is not known for his tackleing, does not seem.

574
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Speaker 3: Like no, like he's a gambler. Carol guy the best

575
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Speaker 3: and the best, by the way, the best interception when

576
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Speaker 3: I've been in the building, the most impressive interception I've

577
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Speaker 3: ever seen in my entire life. College NFL bar Nunn

578
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Speaker 3: Jack Jones against the Chargers Thursday night massacre. That that

579
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Speaker 3: was unbelievable.

580
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Speaker 1: That was amazing. It was a tough night for Brandon

581
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Speaker 1: Staley for the Chargers. But uh yeah, I interviewed Jack Jones,

582
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Speaker 1: and I spent the whole time just talking about that

583
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Speaker 1: interview though. That's what I mean thinking about an interception.

584
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Speaker 1: It's like one of my favorite plays of the last

585
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Speaker 1: few years.

586
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Speaker 3: I would I want to give you a couple more

587
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Speaker 3: picks here I do.

588
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Speaker 1: But and maybe your answer will help to answer this question,

589
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: which is sort of like what is Chip Kelly two

590
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: point zero one? Weirdly, chip Kelly coming back to the NFL.

591
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's gotten a lot of buzz. I

592
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Speaker 1: don't know what Chip Kelly, how he's evolved or if

593
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Speaker 1: he's evolved in college you can tell me maybe, like

594
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Speaker 1: what kind of players do you think he wants?

595
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Speaker 3: Well, he went from you know, spread you know at

596
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Speaker 3: Oregon to at UCLA playing with you know, three tight

597
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Speaker 3: ends and they were heavy personnel and they ran the

598
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Speaker 3: ball really really well. At Ohio State he had the

599
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Speaker 3: luxury of just the talent at personnel that he had,

600
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Speaker 3: so he mixed it up a little bit, did a

601
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Speaker 3: lot of different things there. I think in his heart

602
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Speaker 3: he would rather run the ball a little bit more.

603
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Speaker 3: And and I think that's why with the Raiders, I

604
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Speaker 3: don't rule out you know, Ashton Genty there with that

605
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Speaker 3: with that first pick, you know, trying to build up

606
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Speaker 3: you know, offensive line tight ends. It's why, like gosh,

607
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Speaker 3: I mean you look at where they are and Bowers

608
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Speaker 3: is going to be the person that the offense runs through,

609
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Speaker 3: So who would compliment him? You know? And gosh, Ashton

610
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Speaker 3: Genty and Bowers like that's a lot of easy completions

611
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Speaker 3: you've just baked into your offense when you do throw the.

612
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Speaker 1: Ball so who maybe then in the second round or

613
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Speaker 1: third do they take as maybe another receiver, although I

614
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Speaker 1: just feel like they have so many weapons you can't

615
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: I mean so many needs they you can't even out

616
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Speaker 1: taking other positions.

617
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Speaker 3: Yeah, best player of ail. I kind of went with

618
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 3: two different scenarios, so I had the Ashin Dent the

619
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Speaker 3: Jedai Baron in one and the second round I had two,

620
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Speaker 3: which was if you don't take a corner Trey Amos

621
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Speaker 3: maybe is there from old miss I think he's climbing

622
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Speaker 3: up through the process as we go through it. Here

623
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Speaker 3: ran really well, he's got good tape, so there's a

624
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Speaker 3: corner option there. Or Abuka ended up running the high

625
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: mid to high four forwards the other day at Ohio State.

626
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Speaker 3: I thought he might even run a little bit faster

627
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 3: based off what i'd heard, but I think he's late first,

628
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 3: early second. So you know they're about in that range

629
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Speaker 3: at pick thirty seven, but they could they could have

630
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Speaker 3: some interesting receivers there, and then at pick sixty eight.

631
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Speaker 3: The fun one was here in the third round was

632
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Speaker 3: what was Chip Kelly reuniting with Will Howard to give

633
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: them kind of their long term guy at least to

634
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 3: have you know, he's familiar with him, he loves him.

635
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Speaker 3: That wouldn't shock me at all.

636
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Speaker 2: That would be a luxury pick.

637
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Speaker 1: And just as the president of Geno Nation, I don't

638
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Speaker 1: need that drama Immediately people are going to start start talking.

639
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 3: About the third round's not I mean, come on.

640
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Speaker 1: I mean they drafted Kirk Cousins in the fourth round

641
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 1: when they took RG three in the first and that

642
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: was immediately drama and conversations.

643
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 3: Save their bacon, didn't it.

644
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Speaker 2: It was absolutely a good move.

645
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying drafton I always say, just just draft quarterbacks.

646
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Speaker 1: By the way, where's that Gino Smith contract? That's been

647
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: on my radar? They were like, oh yeah, big contracts

648
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: coming for Gino right when they signed him. That's one

649
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: of the reasons why he's leaving. It just it's been

650
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: on my radar. That's not out there yet. That's enough

651
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 1: about the Raiders. Let's take a quick break. We'll come

652
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Speaker 1: back with the other teams with first time head coaches

653
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: also going to put DJ on the clock talking a

654
00:28:51,080 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 1: little quarterbacks to finish out forties in free back on

655
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: forties and free agents, continue to look at the first

656
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: year head coaches and Aaron Glenn and the Jets. I

657
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: feel like they've had an incomplete this offseason. They got

658
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: a couple extra fifth round picks, by the way, to

659
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: play with in the draft, but I thought they'd be

660
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: a little more active in free agency and they signed

661
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: these kind of mid tier guys like short term solutions.

662
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: Justin Fields is typical at quarterback. Good contract for him,

663
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: but he's like a bridge quarterback. Brandon Stevens was a

664
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: surprising cornerback contract to me, got a little bit of

665
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: money from them. Andre Cisco at safety got a one

666
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: year deal. Derek Noddy kind of these guys who wasn't

667
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: the top of the market. They're not really showing their hand.

668
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: Josh Myers at safety was another. What do you make

669
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: of them? Like a new GM and Darren Muji a

670
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: new coach and Aaron Glenn kind of just dipping their

671
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: toe in when they do have a lot of needs

672
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: on the roster.

673
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I still think there's you know, it's an interesting

674
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 3: roster because they do have some star power, like they

675
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 3: have some top tier guys, like top you know five

676
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: ish type players at their positions, but there's you know,

677
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: some other some other work to be done there. I

678
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 3: I was. I was intrigued by the offensive line because

679
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: I just feel like the offensive line has been the

680
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 3: topic there. You know, obviously the quarterback as well, but

681
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: the offensive line just trying to find the right five guys,

682
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: trying to get guys that can stay healthy and uh

683
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 3: and play together and play well. So I still look

684
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 3: at that as kind of being incomplete. I think they've

685
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 3: got a good nucleus there. Olofashanu will now get the

686
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: get the reins to to be the full time guy there.

687
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: Tip minute centers an interesting player Elijah Varia Tucker I

688
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: think is is uh. It'll be interesting to see if

689
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: he gets paid. He's come, you know, he's due for

690
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 3: a new deal. When he's been on the field, he's

691
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: played really, really well. So I still think another tackle

692
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 3: is a place that you could look there for the

693
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: Jets pretty early in this draft.

694
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have him projected to take armand Membu with

695
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: the seventh pick, which makes a lot of sense. He

696
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: played right tackle. It actually think that the interior offensive

697
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: line played well. Fashion New got it done. You know,

698
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: when he played it was really promising. So it took

699
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: Joe Douglass, their former GM, a while to get that

700
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: offensive line in a good place. I actually do think

701
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: it's in a good place now. If you if you

702
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: add one right tackle, they're looking good. That's really it.

703
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: And I actually don't know what this team's biggest need is.

704
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: And maybe your projected pixel helped tell me I might

705
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: go edge quietly, like is Will McDonald like a one edge?

706
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they're happy with what they got out

707
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: of Michael Clemons when he played last year. Jeremaine Johnson

708
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: is a good player.

709
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: But coming off injury, he's a really good player. He's

710
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: coming off injury, right.

711
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: I just think you might you might want to start

712
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: building with your guys, knowing what you know about Aaron

713
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: Glenn kind of what what do you think he views

714
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: as the biggest needs there?

715
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: Well, you know, the secondary. You know, lost some pieces

716
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: in the in the off season, and he's a secondary guy.

717
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 3: So I always think that's a you know, that's a

718
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 3: place that they could end up looking early on. They

719
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: got to get Sauce Gardner back playing the way he

720
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: did two years ago. The way his play kind of

721
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: fell off last year was alarming, so they got to

722
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: get that figured out. But I still, you know, defensive tackle,

723
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: another edge rusher corner. Those are kind of the places

724
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: I think you you could look for them.

725
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: Also, you know they signed your guys Stone Smart. I

726
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: just wanted to give Stone Smart so I.

727
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: Like Stone Smart man love on an NFL network. I

728
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: hated to see Stone Smart go. You'll see him. He'll

729
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: make like he'll make a couple of big plays in

730
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: in a few random games throughout the year. He's got talent.

731
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: Man, who do you who do you have projected for

732
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: for them to take?

733
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Memboo was the option there. I also had

734
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: Tyler Warren as the other one who I've been kicking

735
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: around there because I do think Tyler Warren, the titand

736
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: out of Penn State, is the one who helps both

737
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: the run game and the past game. Like he's going

738
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 3: to you know, he's going to be an easy target.

739
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: He's going to give you easy completions in the passing game,

740
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: which with Justin Fields, I think that'll work out great.

741
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: And then also you know he's gonna be able to

742
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: move people in the run game and open things up.

743
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: They have three very outed backs on that roster, and

744
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 3: it's perplexing to me when you just discussed how this

745
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 3: offensive line is is kind of come along and they've

746
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: got some key pieces in place there. They were thirty

747
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: first in the league in rushing yards like that shocks

748
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 3: me that they did not run it better than they

749
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: did last year. So that can be a combination of

750
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: maybe it's some new scheme coming in, maybe it's you know,

751
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: getting that right tackle solidified, or even like a guy

752
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: like Tyler Warren I think could help that. But their

753
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: backs are way too talented for them to be that

754
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: bad of a run team.

755
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's move on to the Saint So I

756
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: feel like I've had some some bumps along the road

757
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: here with Kellen Moore starting out kind of like DJ

758
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: did with with his voice cracked to just start that

759
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: that jet segment, you know.

760
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: Did it really was like a little I don't know

761
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: what's going on.

762
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: I'll take it.

763
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 3: Can I get an endorsement deal here?

764
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: No, we all develop at our own pace, just playing today,

765
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: playing hurt over here. Yes, cough drops or everyone that

766
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: checks us out on YouTube, he's got the cough drops.

767
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: This was the pick.

768
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really don't feel like.

769
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: You feel bad? Yeah, go ahead, I do.

770
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: This Saints offseason. I just I just don't know what

771
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: you said off the top of like what exactly are

772
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: they doing? I think there are people around the league

773
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: that share share your opinion.

774
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 2: They bring in Brandon Cook Brandon.

775
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: Cooks this week that that's kind of a typical type

776
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: of huh move from them, Like who are they bidding against?

777
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: Exactly? Justin Reid.

778
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: I thought that was a nice signing at safety. But

779
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: they gave a lot of money to Chase Young to

780
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: to bring him back after they swung and missed on

781
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: a couple other free agents, and it was almost like

782
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: they just felt like they had to spend some money

783
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: and so they got a bunch of extra picks. Good

784
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: job by Mickey Loomis here with Marshall Lattimore when they

785
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: traded him. They have an extra third and a fourth

786
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: and a sixth I believe from from their trade for him.

787
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: And if I know Mickey Loomis, like I know he

788
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: doesn't like having those extra picks. So it really makes

789
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: me think they're going to try to trade up. I

790
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: don't know if they'll be successful, but you buy that.

791
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: I think there are going to try to trade up

792
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: and get a quarterback. Maybe they're the landing spot for Shoudur.

793
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: If you're if you're not buying the Giants and should

794
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: then this would be the team that I think he

795
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: goes to.

796
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. The only thing about that is I think you

797
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 3: know Shauduur and you know with Dion, I think there

798
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: is some thought there that maybe the more established coach

799
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 3: you know, would be a better fit there. In other words,

800
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: and this is take again, this is just a conversation

801
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: that takes place, Like I had somebody brought this up

802
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 3: to me. And I don't know that this that I

803
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 3: agree with this completely, but it is an interesting thought.

804
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: It's like you think about this. You have a rookie

805
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: quarterback whose dad is going to have a microphone in

806
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 3: front of his face three times a week at press conferences.

807
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: You know they're going to ask him, you know what

808
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: happened in this game and how you know what's going

809
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 3: on there? And I think if you're a more veteran coach,

810
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 3: I think if if a if something was said you

811
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: would it would roll off your back. You wouldn't care

812
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: and be I think Dion would be less likely to

813
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 3: you know, be critical. So and again that's that's just

814
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 3: conversation that's taking place around the league. And maybe maybe

815
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: Dion will take the approach of like, hey, I'm worried

816
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 3: about Colorado. I'm not going to talk about anything that's

817
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: going on with my son's team. But that is at

818
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: least some of the conversation here when you're talking to people, Well.

819
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: If you're if you're afraid of get in the heat

820
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: from Dion, then come on.

821
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: But then again, it's Kellen you.

822
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 3: Never, you never, yeah, you never. You've never been a

823
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 3: first time head coach with all that pressure and attention

824
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 3: on you, and then all of a sudden, like that's

825
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 3: just another it's another layer, Greg, like, it is, it's

826
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: it is what it is, it's it. There's never been

827
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: a situation like that where a quarterback's you know, coming

828
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: from the great the greatest players of all time in

829
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: the history of the league, who still has a huge platform,

830
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: you know, multiple times a week. So it is, it is.

831
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: It's interesting. I think it's it's just part of the

832
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 3: part of the calculus.

833
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: And they must have a relationship.

834
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really know Kellen Moore who is

835
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys and Dion and his Cowboys ties.

836
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: Who knows if they have a relationship.

837
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: Although I don't know what what is Kellen Moore about

838
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: it's not a criticism, but I do think you look

839
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: at what they did bringing back all the players with

840
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: the renegotiation, that's just more of the same we've seen that.

841
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like it's a huge transition from Mickey

842
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: Loomis and Dennis Allen to Mickey Loomis and Kellen Moore.

843
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: It just feels like a lot of Mickey Loomis. And

844
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,479
Speaker 1: then if you actually kind of go through what Kellen

845
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: Moore has done the last handful of years, you know

846
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: him and McCarthy that was shared and there was some

847
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: back and forth and McCarthy's even talked about that whose

848
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: offense was a little bit of both.

849
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: And then he's with.

850
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: Sirianni and did a great job and they melded what

851
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: they both do together, but certainly a heavy influence of

852
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: Sirianni and what Hurts does well. And he had that

853
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: year with the Chargers where he really Kellen Moore wanted

854
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: to establish the run. So I kind of am looking

855
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: at this draft is like, show me, all right, show

856
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: me what a Kellen Moore offense kind of looks like,

857
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: because I don't know, I don't know if you know

858
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: you know him a little bit from that that time

859
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: with the Chargers.

860
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I know Kellen. I like Kellen a lot.

861
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: I think he is good at trying to adjust to

862
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: what he has, but I think at his core he

863
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 3: does want to be a physical line of scrimmage team.

864
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: He's one of the best coaches in terms of mixing

865
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: up tempo. I don't know that people even pay attention

866
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 3: to it or notice it when you're watching their games,

867
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: But when you talk to defensive coaches that play against

868
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: his offenses, they say it's hard to get into a

869
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 3: rhythm against him because you play against some teams who

870
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: go fast. You play against some teams are methodical. They

871
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 3: are constantly switching up the tempo of you know when

872
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: even like when they you know, from the time they

873
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: break the huddle to when the snap is from when

874
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 3: they get under center, or you know, how quickly they

875
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: operate from that standpoint. Like, it's just he's really really

876
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 3: good at that, you know, that little intricacy of designing offense.

877
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 3: So anyways, I don't know how many people pay attention

878
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 3: to that, but it's it is kind of unique to

879
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 3: what he does. I think they're going to go more

880
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: on the defensive side of the ball though. I think

881
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: Brandon Staley there. I've been around Coach Staley. He is

882
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: an excellent salesman, like he will give you, you know, reasons,

883
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: he will tell you, you know, if we can get this

884
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: guy and that guy, and we can put him here

885
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: and do this and do that. I could see him

886
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: winning some battles in the draft room.

887
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: They could use a cornerback. Certainly lost paulseon a debo.

888
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: They traded Marshawn Lattimore. You still have a Lante Taylor there,

889
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: but I don't know if he's a long term guy

890
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: for them.

891
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: You have kool aid m chemistry. So I could see

892
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: that they have a lot of.

893
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: Veterans though as well on that defense, not a lot

894
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: of open you know, starting jobs. It's a great point

895
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: about more because I felt like the tempo by the

896
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: way of the Eagles in the Super Bowl was one

897
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: of the underrated parts of what was happening early in

898
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: that game. Being there live, I really noticed that it

899
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: took a big advantage I think.

900
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: With the way they played fast. All Right, you got

901
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: me a little excited.

902
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: Who says no, though, before we move on from the Saints,

903
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna pick Okay, okay to first and Derek Carr

904
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: for the number one overall pick, number nine in a

905
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 1: second this year and next year's first, or maybe would

906
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: it take three first.

907
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 2: I'm easy. I want that pick.

908
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 3: Now, Lee, I don't. I don't think it matters. I

909
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: don't think Tennessee. I know they've said they're open for business.

910
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: I'll be shocked if they do anything not now saying

911
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: that by the time this probably hits the airwaves, like,

912
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, the Titans have traded the first overall pick.

913
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 3: Don't see that not gonna happen.

914
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: Callahan and Derek Carr have a little bit of a

915
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: background together, so I thought that maybe made sense if

916
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: the Saints and three first, it's kind of like an

917
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: NBA trade. You're betting on them maybe being bad this

918
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: year and then you'll have a high pick last year

919
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: that worked out for the Bears.

920
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: All right, give me your picks, y.

921
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I thought I talked about defense winning the day.

922
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: I had him taking Johad Campbell, who is an interesting one,

923
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,479
Speaker 3: who is an off the ball linebacker who can also

924
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: rush off the edge. We talked about him on a

925
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: previous episode, so that's where I had him going I

926
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: also think, you know, I know a coach Staley is

927
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 3: a close relationship with Kirby Smart, so I'm always keeping

928
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: an eye on Georgia players. So Mikel Williams I put

929
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: him in there. I stayed with the connection with the

930
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 3: second pick because I had him go on offense at

931
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 3: forty had Luther Burden sliding a little bit out of Missouri,

932
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 3: who I think is a late one early two wide

933
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 3: receivers really good after the catch, real quick quiz, Greg

934
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 3: the head coach of the New Orleans Saints is who.

935
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 2: Helen Moore?

936
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 3: And the offensive coordinator at the Universe see in Missouri

937
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: is who Kirby Moore.

938
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: I was going to guess someone related to Kellen Moore.

939
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's a connection there. So that's why I

940
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: just had some fun with that one. And then seventy

941
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: one save on Jones, defensive lineman from LSU. So try

942
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: and get a couple more line of scrimmage type players there.

943
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: And then you mentioned they've got some extra picks on

944
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 3: day three, I could see them just throwing a bunch

945
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 3: of resources like they did. Was when Staley was with

946
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 3: the Chargers. They took them later around corners and took

947
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 3: some flyers.

948
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, their drafts have been a lot more missed than

949
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: than hit lately, so they could they could stand to

950
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: just use those picks and try to get younger because

951
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: because they really need it.

952
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to the Bears.

953
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: The Bears and the coach we both agreed is the

954
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: most you know, natural fit to me, the most exciting

955
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson going to the Bears. There was some question

956
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: like do they just totally change the situation there? But no,

957
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: they kept Ryan Poles as a general manager, so they

958
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: have good continuity. He's done a good job breaking you know,

959
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: building up that war chesta of picks, partly from that

960
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: Bryce Young trade, and so they have an extra pick

961
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: again this year. They have two early second round picks.

962
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: I talked to Ryan Poles at the combine and just

963
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: kind of talked about how the process changes now that

964
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: they're adding a new head coach and a lot of

965
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: new coaches to the mix.

966
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 6: Anytime you can add a different perspective and make those

967
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 6: tweaks and changes to make your process even better. It's

968
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 6: critical to growth and make sure that you you know,

969
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 6: you're keeping up with the times and you're also staying

970
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 6: open mind on how you do things. One thing that

971
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 6: we do what I'm proud of, is any new staff

972
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 6: member that comes in, we do a cohabitation report, so

973
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 6: that player goes through all of let's you say, all

974
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 6: the players in free agency that they've touched and that

975
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 6: could be over the last three, four or five years,

976
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 6: and they do a one or two liner to just

977
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 6: give us some more information about the players that we

978
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 6: could potentially bring in the building.

979
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: It's a big guy there by the way, Yeah, I

980
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: mean I sitting next to him, I just felt like

981
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: a child.

982
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 3: You know why. You can understand why they've invested in

983
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: the offensive line though that's kind of a yes.

984
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: Yes, And you have them taking Will Campbell and they

985
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: could keep going offensive line because even though they improve

986
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: the interior, you can't think of Jonah Jackson as a

987
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: long term solution. Even dough Toney, you're gonna count on

988
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: a few years from him, but he's up there. And

989
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: then you sign Drew Dollman in free agency. Who do

990
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: you think are the best types of players to add

991
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: around Caleb Williams.

992
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: So I wanted to go just again. I feel like

993
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 3: this has been a little bit of a theme here

994
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: as we're talking about some of these teams. A lot

995
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 3: of the reasons these teams have new coaches is because

996
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: either they don't have a quarterback they're going to be

997
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 3: bringing one in, or their quarterback is not playing up

998
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 3: to the level that they'd like him to play at.

999
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: So with that being said, I thought, let's just do

1000
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 3: the offensive draft here. Let's let's do something that if

1001
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: you're a Bears fan and you have a creative offensive coordinator,

1002
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: what will be the most fun way to run this thing?

1003
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 3: So just just allow yourself to dream for a second. Here, Greg,

1004
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 3: pretend you're Adam rank In, a huge Bears fan. We

1005
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 3: go Will Campbell to upgrade our left tackle situation at ten.

1006
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 3: We come back and we take Quichhaun Judkins at thirty nine,

1007
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: who is a better running back than, in my opinion,

1008
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: than Swift and anybody else you have on your roster. There,

1009
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: you come right back. Remember they pick forty one, they

1010
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: pick thirty nine and forty one. You come back at

1011
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: forty one and you take Mason Taylor and we can

1012
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 3: live in twelve personnel with him and Cole Comet, Like,

1013
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 3: let's how are we making life easier on our quarterback? Well,

1014
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 3: we're doing it that way with those first three picks,

1015
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 3: will Campbell, Quinshow, Judkins, Mason Taylor. Then at seventy two,

1016
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: I gave the defense a little love there and took

1017
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 3: David Walker, Central Arkansas edge rusher, So another edge rusher

1018
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 3: they can pop in there. Now they've got three guys

1019
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 3: with Odeangbo joining Montese Sweat. Now you got a little

1020
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 3: bit of a change up rusher there in David Walker.

1021
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 3: But can you imagine, like give Ben Johnson the creativity

1022
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: and you have Cole Comet, Mason Taylor, Quinshaw, Judkins in

1023
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: the backfield, Roma Dunza, I mean you are all often

1024
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: running there with what you have there offensively, not to mention.

1025
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: I love obviously, I love it.

1026
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: It's similar to what the Panthers have tried to do

1027
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: around Bryce Young and what that does taking multiple picks,

1028
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: it gives you.

1029
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 2: Some margin for error.

1030
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: If one doesn't hit as a rookie, maybe the other

1031
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: two are going to. And they are in a situation,

1032
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: and I thought they were with the last coaching staff.

1033
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: If Caleb Williams had played better, like all they needed

1034
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: to do to me was have him have a good season,

1035
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: and they might not have changed coaching staff if they

1036
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: win eight or nine games, like you mentioned with the Jaguars,

1037
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: but the offense is humming. It has been so long,

1038
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 1: like you mentioned with Rank, since that offense was humming.

1039
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: I have a soft spot for the J. Cutler era.

1040
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: I think he was a little better than people gave

1041
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 2: credit for. Was good.

1042
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: It was the best quarterback in his draft class, by

1043
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: the way, a highly touted Matt Lioner Vince Young draft class.

1044
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 2: Cutler had the best career.

1045
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: But let's give Caleb Williams some weapons and have some

1046
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: fun and as much as Roma Dunza and DJ Moore

1047
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: are a fun one too, Like the depth isn't really

1048
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,240
Speaker 1: there in terms of the ways.

1049
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: You're right. They can upgrade the running back.

1050
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: They need a third receiver, Comet could have a tag

1051
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: team partner, and let's fly like that.

1052
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 3: I give you the last line, the last line of

1053
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: my J. Cutler report, and I remember going to Vanderbilt

1054
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 3: scouting him and then writing him up. The last line

1055
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: of my report I'll always remember it was, if J.

1056
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 3: Cutler doesn't lose you the game in the first three quarters,

1057
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 3: he'll win it for you in the fourth.

1058
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, were you? You were not on air though

1059
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: you were you were working for a team league.

1060
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, oh yeah yeah.

1061
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: Because I was a cutler guy and he was with

1062
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: the Ravens that with the Ravens.

1063
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 2: You would make that pick. Again. He had a great career.

1064
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: If he had stayed his whole career with Mike Shanahan

1065
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: like it would have been a much much different career.

1066
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 1: That is the Bears and Dennis Allen, by the way,

1067
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: is there Dennis Allen, the former Saints coach, is now

1068
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: the Bears defensive coordinator, and so it'll be interesting. They're

1069
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: pretty set on defense, especially in the secondary where he

1070
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 1: specializes the secondary.

1071
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 3: That's one thing. And in this process, like going through

1072
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 3: and looking these teams, I think of all these teams,

1073
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 3: their secondary might be the best position group of any

1074
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: of these seven teams that we're talking about.

1075
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: It is awesome.

1076
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: And if Dennis Allen, look he's a good coordinator, and

1077
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: if he does anything great in the NFL, it's coach

1078
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: up the secondary. So that is a great coach in

1079
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: terms of marrying talent with the coach. And he loves

1080
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: those pocket pushers. He doesn't like the bend the edge guy.

1081
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: So that's what I look forward in the pass rusher.

1082
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: Let's wrap it up with Brian Schottenheimer and the Cowboys

1083
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,479
Speaker 1: before we put you on the hot seat.

1084
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: Here.

1085
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: They have ten picks. I actually thought about him as

1086
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: the best fit. He makes sense to me as the

1087
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys head coach actually, of what they.

1088
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: Are looking for.

1089
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: I kind of buy the notion that he might be

1090
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: a better head coach, especially in the ecosystem that they're in.

1091
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 2: That is not going to change, so why wish that

1092
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: it's going to change. Then?

1093
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: He necessarily was as a dynamic play caller because he

1094
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: was a solid play caller in the NFL. It's not

1095
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: like he's been bad. So I think they might be

1096
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: closer to contending again than people think. They need a

1097
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: lot of help on offense. To me, that is where

1098
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: the needs lie. Running back, a wide receiver too. They

1099
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: could use like a big old like defensive tackle, like

1100
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: another one of those, But overall it's a pretty nice

1101
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: defensive roster.

1102
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: I think the offense is where they focused. Do you agree?

1103
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think at least with that first pick, you know,

1104
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: at pick number twelve, I've got threw it on a

1105
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: couple of names there. I had Matthew Golden in there

1106
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 3: at a Texas and people like freaked out of like

1107
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: how could he have you know, all the way up there,

1108
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, there's reasons. They've probably seen a

1109
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 3: whole heck of a lot of them there over the

1110
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: last year at Texas, not only just because of proximity,

1111
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 3: but you know, he had a long season and Texas

1112
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: went on the run that they went on there. So

1113
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 3: I think he helped himself as much as any player

1114
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 3: in this draft over the last year. And someone who

1115
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: gives them some real speed and kind of over the

1116
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 3: top ability to compliment what they have there in Ceedee Lamb.

1117
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 3: So that was that was a direction I had them going.

1118
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 3: I also have thought about if Genti's off the board,

1119
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 3: if Amari and Hampton doesn't enter into the conversation. For them,

1120
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 3: it was a big time explosive running back out of

1121
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 3: North Carolina. So those are the two areas I was thinking,

1122
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: two interesting players at twelve, and then I let him

1123
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 3: go to the defensive side of the ball with forty

1124
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:15,479
Speaker 3: four and JTT so JT. Toy Malow from Ohio State,

1125
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: who's kind of a power edge rusher really kind of

1126
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: has some similarities to Tank Lawrence who just left. I

1127
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 3: don't know if you heard anything about that, but yeah,

1128
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 3: so he would plug in right there at pick forty four,

1129
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: and then at seventy six, I doubled down. I came

1130
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: back to wide receiver and Tory Horton out of Colorado State.

1131
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 3: Who's I think if he had stayed healthy, had been

1132
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 3: healthy through the whole year, they'd have no chance of

1133
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 3: him being there at seventy six. But a nice value play.

1134
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 3: They got to get more weapons, more dynamic, like, they

1135
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 3: got to get some dudes. Man.

1136
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: They spent the late pick in a trade on Jonathan Mingo.

1137
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: We'll see if that helps them. At this point, you're

1138
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: not counting on him. Jalen Tolberts in the last year

1139
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: of his contract. He's their second best receiver. He would

1140
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: probably fit better as a third or fourth best receiver

1141
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: and not necessari early guy that's getting a psych contract.

1142
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: So I'm with you. They they probably need to go

1143
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: back to back.

1144
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: I feel like me me talking up Shottenheimer a little

1145
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: bit was the only positive press that the Cowboys have

1146
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: gotten all this offseason.

1147
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 3: Did you see my Did you see my tweet about that?

1148
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 3: Did you see my tweet about that about Travis Hunter

1149
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 3: with them, I just said, like, look like full disclosure.

1150
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: Growing up in the like I love those Cowboys teams

1151
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 3: in the nineties, Like that was like growing up watching

1152
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: those teams, and I remember thinking it was so fun

1153
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: team to follow because it was Charles Haley and it

1154
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 3: was go out and get Dion Sanders. And even even

1155
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 3: when that didn't pay off, like Joey Galloway like different,

1156
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 3: they were always just kind of going for it and

1157
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 3: being aggressive. And that's I kind of I think that's

1158
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 3: what's great about sports is when your big brands and

1159
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 3: your marquee brands. Like as much as I hate the Dodgers,

1160
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 3: and I hate the Dodgers more than anybody, I think

1161
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: it's that's that they should do that, like they should be,

1162
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 3: you know, deferring six hundred million dollars, like they should

1163
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 3: be doing everything possible, like it's make it happen. The

1164
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 3: Yankees this the same way the Cowboys from brand standpoint,

1165
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 3: that's who they are in the NFL, and Greg like that.

1166
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: There's that old adage of you know, just don't be

1167
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 3: bad and boring. You know, you can get away with

1168
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 3: being one or the other, but don't be both. And

1169
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: they have turned into just this boring team. I know

1170
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 3: they had the three years in row, they won the

1171
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 3: twelve games, they're boring, Like, go, it's time for the

1172
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: Cowboys to do something. Be bold, go do something. And

1173
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 3: that's why I was like, hey, Travis Hunter, just go

1174
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 3: do it. If if he's there and the Patriots want

1175
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: to trade down because they want offensive line help, then

1176
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 3: then let's do it. Just gosh, be interesting for crying

1177
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 3: out louts, right, and.

1178
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: Enough of these like poking around the corners. They signed

1179
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: Devonte Williams and Miles Sanders. They're just trying for these

1180
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: reclamation projects. Kayer Elam, Kenneth Murray. It's they're still working

1181
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: off their old draft profiles. I like thinking of a

1182
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: young DJ though in the nineties with this Cowboys starter

1183
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: jacket on listening to I think I think I might.

1184
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 3: Have had one of those. I think I had one

1185
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 3: of those. Yes, Brian McKnight might have been somewhere in there,

1186
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 3: like to you know, I like to little Brian.

1187
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: Your nineties are bas session is the most is the

1188
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: most surprising and delightful thing about you. More to come

1189
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: on forties in free agents. Back in a minute. We're

1190
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: back on forties and free agents. All right, let's wrap

1191
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: up this show. I'm going to put you on the clock.

1192
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 1: So this segment we're finishing out the show now.

1193
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: No, I know DJ didn't really agree to this, but

1194
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: I'm doing it anyways.

1195
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: I thought about, like, I have this great access to

1196
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: the draft guy. I mean, there are other draft guys

1197
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: out there, but I let's let's be real. Jeremiah has

1198
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: has evolved into the place he's the draft guy. And

1199
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: so I admit I don't study all up on these

1200
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: guys until somewhat late in the process. You've been doing

1201
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: it for a long time. So I want to be

1202
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: the voice of the average fan that's now doing my

1203
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: last minute cramming and watching these guys and stuff, asking

1204
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 1: you some of the questions maybe that.

1205
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: That they would ask you.

1206
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: So let's let's put DJ on the clock for five minutes,

1207
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 1: and this this time is just gonna be focused.

1208
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, wow, real sound.

1209
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 3: You're losing time. You better get started here, buddy.

1210
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: I know, Okay, how many more games do I have

1211
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: to watch Ron Shedur Sanders until I get why he

1212
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: would be a top ten pick. And this is no slight,

1213
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: Like I have so much respect for these guys and

1214
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: these players, and they're so tough. And what I mean

1215
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: by that is when I watch him, he just looks

1216
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: exactly like the type of prospect, that quarterback that goes

1217
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: in the second round, Like he is that exact guy.

1218
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: He reminds me a lot of Andy Dalton, like a

1219
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: little Andy Dalton with swag.

1220
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: Are there more games out there that I'm missing? DJ?

1221
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 3: He's my eighteenth overall player. So okay, you had you

1222
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 3: had all this time, uh to come up with these questions,

1223
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 3: and you know, it's like you're gonna You're gonna start

1224
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 3: me off by asking me why I would have him

1225
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 3: in the time when in fact I don't have him

1226
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 3: in the top ten. Well you still, that's a great

1227
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 3: way to start this new segment that you've came up with.

1228
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 2: Here, then then what is it?

1229
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: Because to me, his comp I actually heard this from

1230
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: another podcast. They're great Ali Connolly, John Ledyard. They thought

1231
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: brock Purty was the comp and I actually think that

1232
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: makes sense. But I'm like, Rock Purty doesn't get taken

1233
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: early and he doesn't get ranked by you guys like

1234
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: you early.

1235
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, so here, I always say there's different families of players, right,

1236
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 3: So and you look at it's just like if you

1237
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 3: had a family of five brothers and one might go

1238
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 3: play in the NBA and then maybe one goes to

1239
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 3: Division two and then another one goes into high school.

1240
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 3: You know, he's different, but they're the same style. So

1241
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 3: you have Joe Burrows as the top of the ladder

1242
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 3: of this style of quarterback. Brock Purty is a member

1243
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 3: in that style of quarterback, you know, beneath Joe Burrow,

1244
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 3: and then you kind of go down and like that's

1245
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 3: the that's the style. But you know, you could also

1246
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 3: go through, you know, in history and you can find

1247
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 3: some backups that played this way. Chase Daniel plays, you know,

1248
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 3: this way, you know, on that rung of quarterbacks, Like

1249
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 3: there's just certain guys who are anticipation timing touch throwers,

1250
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 3: and that's that's how he plays the game. So he's

1251
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 3: on that scale. I have him as the eighteenth overall player.

1252
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 3: I think he's you know, I think he's worth a

1253
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 3: first round pick in this year's draft when you look

1254
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 3: at how it all stacks up. But he is going

1255
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 3: to be dependent Greg He's going to be it's going

1256
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 3: to one be dependent on what's around him.

1257
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: There are great attributes, great in the quick game. He

1258
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: throws over the middle, like the touch, the timing.

1259
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 3: He doesn't have a power arm, and he's not an

1260
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 3: urgent athlete. So those are those are the nots, and.

1261
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: You're betty on intangibles. I'm always a little worried when

1262
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: you're betty on intangiles. I think if his last name

1263
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: was Wilson, he'd be going in the second round. But

1264
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: it's like you're betting on a guy with leadership, and

1265
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: that is more important at quarterback than everything else. I

1266
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: just think, is there, like, was there a harder evaluation

1267
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: than him? Because I'm watching that Colorado team and that

1268
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: offense was kind of a it was a mess like that,

1269
00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: not just the pass protection, but like the receivers are

1270
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: running into each other, and a lot of his good plays,

1271
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: even though you kind of have to give him credit

1272
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: for overcoming the offensive line, a lot of his good

1273
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: plays are his wide receivers coming back to the ball

1274
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: and making great plays on it. I just found him

1275
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: very difficult in general to evaluate. That's why I'm not

1276
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: a pro like you.

1277
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 4: No.

1278
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 3: You know what's interesting too, is the uh, you know

1279
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 3: that that conference was not great this year, so you,

1280
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 3: and I'll give you an example. Arizona State won that

1281
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 3: conference this year. Arizona State had one combine player in

1282
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: Camp Scataboo and they didn't even play Arizona State. So

1283
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 3: it's yeah, there's there's challenges there in evaluating that. I

1284
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 3: think it's gonna be a it's gonna have to be

1285
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 3: a very specific fit. And that's why I've said with Shador,

1286
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 3: I think he if he goes two or three, If

1287
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 3: it's two or three or fall like that, I don't

1288
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: think there's a okay, there's a spot after the two

1289
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 3: or three, and then I think you're looking at a fall.

1290
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 3: So we'll see.

1291
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: I've take I've taken so much time just talking he

1292
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: would fit. He would, but I had a lot to

1293
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: say he would fit. I think in the Kevin O'Connell

1294
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: McVeigh tree. If he fell out there of the Rams move,

1295
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Speaker 1: that would be that would be a fun fit for me.

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Speaker 1: My question on ward is is why is there not

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Speaker 1: more hype on him? Because if nothing else, he's box office.

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Speaker 1: He kind of reminds me of Ja Color. Jake Color

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Speaker 1: was box office as a college bro. And you say

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Speaker 1: you grade the flashes right, and I would say, if this,

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Speaker 1: if you grade the Flashes, he's a number one overall pick.

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Speaker 2: Why not?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean you had Zach Wilson in your top five.

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Speaker 3: He's going to be the number one overall pick. And

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Speaker 3: I have him as a top ten player on my

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Speaker 3: list the things. And again let's stick with that theme. Right,

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Speaker 3: of the families, he's in the Patrick Mahomes Caleb Williams

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Speaker 3: family of ultra elastic, like explosive, arms, creative, they bring

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Speaker 3: energy to everyone around him, like he has those characteristics.

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Speaker 3: And then you know, as those guys had issues to

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Speaker 3: varying degrees coming out the reckless side of it that

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Speaker 3: you've got to kind of clean up some of that

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Speaker 3: stuff where he's you know, some of the cross body

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Speaker 3: stuff that's led to some white key turnover. So you

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Speaker 3: got to clean that up.

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Speaker 1: But he seems like a smart player, and maybe it

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Speaker 1: was like the he's more athletic than you expect no

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Speaker 1: amount of time. No, but Farv is the cop He

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Speaker 1: kind of reminded me of me of Brett Farva. Where

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Speaker 1: would you put it?

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Speaker 3: But but that's the family, right, Brett Farv is the

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Speaker 3: godfather of the Patrick Mahomes. Caleb Williams cam Ord family.

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Speaker 3: That's that's stile.

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Speaker 1: Give me that guy at least because at least as

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Speaker 1: a fan, I think he's going to add a lot

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Speaker 1: of value to the NFL infrastructure. And I would put

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Speaker 1: him ahead of McCarthy, Penix, and Knicks from a year

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Speaker 1: ago if I'm evaluating them.

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Speaker 3: I had, I had, I have already done this before,

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Speaker 3: but I'd have to pull it back up. But I

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Speaker 3: think I had the same grade on him as I

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Speaker 3: had on Knicks. But I have to go back. I

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Speaker 3: know I had a better than Pennix, and I had

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Speaker 3: the same grade that I had on disrespectful.

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Speaker 2: I ran out of time. We're done for today.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll talk Jackson Darter, Tyler Schuck some other time. DJ,

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Speaker 1: thank you for playing hurt.

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Speaker 2: You've done it.

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Speaker 3: No I shit your kindness. That was fun.

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Speaker 1: Fun episode Forties and free Agents will be back next

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Speaker 1: week in all throughout the draft season,