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Speaker 1: Today we can take your skim stam cell, turn it

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Speaker 2: Heart the best selling author and the host the number

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Speaker 1: Podcast On Purpose with Jay Shetty.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome back to the number one health podcast

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Speaker 2: in the world, On Purpose. I am so grateful that

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Speaker 2: you come back every week to listen, learn and grow.

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Speaker 2: I know that each of you are on a quest

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Speaker 2: to become happier, healthier, and more healed. And my role

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Speaker 2: is to try and find great conversations and individuals that

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Speaker 2: we can learn from that can guide us navigate this

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Speaker 2: path that we're all on. Today's guest has had quite

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Speaker 2: the fascinating journey, and we'll be diving into all aspects

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Speaker 2: of failure, health, success, wellness.

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Speaker 3: And so much more.

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Speaker 2: I'm really honored to have on the podcast Michael Milkin

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Speaker 2: or Mike Milkin, who's been uniquely successful in creating value you,

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Speaker 2: whether measured in lives saved or whether it's job created.

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Speaker 2: Michael and his colleagues financed thousands of companies that collectively

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Speaker 2: created millions of jobs Michael's philanthropy, which began in the

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventies and paralleled his business career, expanded in nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty two with the establishment of the Milk and Family Foundation.

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Speaker 2: After two decades of actively supporting medical research, Michael became

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Speaker 2: a patient in nineteen ninety three when he was diagnosed

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Speaker 2: with terminal cancer. We're going to be talking about that today.

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Speaker 2: Over the last three decades, Michael has increased his focus

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Speaker 2: on making the research process more effective and efficient, and today,

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Speaker 2: Mike's twenty twenty three memoir, Faster Cures Accelerating the Future

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Speaker 2: of Health, documents his lifetime of work in the field.

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Speaker 2: Now we're going to put this in the link, so

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Speaker 2: make sure you go order yourself a copy of Faster

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Speaker 2: Cures Accelerating the Future of Health. Welcome to on Purpose,

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Speaker 2: Mike Milk and Mike, thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful to be with you again. We've been on numerous

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I want to start off by saying a

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Speaker 2: big thank you to James Morgan who introduced me to

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Speaker 2: you way back in twenty seventeen in London when I

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Speaker 2: first met you and I spoke at the Milk and

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Speaker 2: Institute event in London. We then did La shortly after,

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Speaker 2: of times. And I actually don't think you know this story,

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Speaker 2: but this podcast actually was inspired by a conversation I

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Speaker 2: watched at the Building Meaningful Lives event and I thought

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Speaker 2: could come and share the deeper parts of themselves that

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Speaker 2: goes back to you this whole platform. So thank you

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Speaker 2: so much.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was my honor and pleasure, and what you've

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. I'm very grateful.

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Speaker 2: Well, Mike, let's dive straight into it, because you truly

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Speaker 2: have one of the most fascinating journeys, I believe, on

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Speaker 1: I did not plan to go into the financial service business.

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Speaker 2: One thing I'm noticing from your answers is that you

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Speaker 2: You're almost seeing that there are systems, which ultimately are

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Speaker 2: not really about the academic study. Could you help break

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you for sharing that I wanted to before

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Speaker 1: Now looking backwards, well, I think that issue there was

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Speaker 1: Well, let's just talk about n Della. You're talking more

440
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Speaker 1: than twenty.

441
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Speaker 3: Years, Yeah, twenty seven, okay?

442
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Speaker 1: And did he come back bitter? No? Okay? And in

443
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: South Africa became quite different, let's say, than Zimbabwe as

444
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Speaker 1: Rhodesha went, so he instead of being bitter, and when

445
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: he got out, I had a chance to visit with him.

446
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: We came to see each other. And so my view

447
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: was revenge or bitterness is an unproductive emotion. If you

448
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: have something to give and focus and build, you have

449
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: to focus going forward. You can't sit and focus on

450
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Speaker 1: the path. And I had thousands of people that had

451
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: worked for me who could carry on our mission in

452
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: finance and our foundations. By forming the Milk And Institute

453
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: didn't change much what I had done in the for

454
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Speaker 1: profit world. There I now did in the nonprofit world.

455
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Speaker 1: So my view was the insights, the ideas carried on.

456
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Speaker 1: And I'm sure you know the current president in Brazil,

457
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Speaker 1: who spent a short time in prison, you know, has

458
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Speaker 1: certain views, but he has so many responsibilities and things

459
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Speaker 1: he has to do for Brazil. If he was stuck

460
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Speaker 1: in the past, Brazil wouldn't have a future.

461
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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you brought up Nelson Mandela. There's a

462
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Speaker 2: beautiful statement Inze where he said that when I walked

463
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Speaker 2: out of the gates of the jail, I realized that

464
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Speaker 2: if I was to hold on to that resentment or bitterness,

465
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Speaker 2: that I would still be in prison and along those lines,

466
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Speaker 2: and I think that's such a powerful statement of his

467
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Speaker 2: that he believed that resentment and bitterness and revenge with

468
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Speaker 2: the actual prison that would hold and limit him moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Well, as you know well and your viewers know well,

470
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Speaker 1: there are so many people in the world that have

471
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Speaker 1: mental health issues today, and in many ways they're all

472
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Speaker 1: traced to something in their past. And so being free,

473
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Speaker 1: being free of your past, not forgetting it, not reflecting

474
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Speaker 1: on it, not having it be part of your decision process,

475
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Speaker 1: allows you to go forward and to fly from that standpoint.

476
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I want to talk about your switch from financial

477
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: well to medical research, but before we do that, I

478
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Speaker 2: want to talk about your own journey with being diagnosed

479
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: with terminal prostate cancer, which I can't imagine is an

480
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Speaker 2: easy thing to hear at such a young age as

481
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Speaker 2: well when you first received that. What was it like

482
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Speaker 2: to receive such a diagnosis as someone again who is

483
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Speaker 2: thinking about the future, trying to build. Were you someone

484
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Speaker 2: who was quite focused on your health as well, or

485
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: were you somewhat negligent because you were focused on work?

486
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Speaker 2: And how did it feel to hear that.

487
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Speaker 1: I would say to you, I probably had one of

488
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Speaker 1: the least healthy diets in the world until that day

489
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Speaker 1: I was diagnosed. But I experience this with my father's

490
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Speaker 1: death in the nineteen seventies, and it was the first

491
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Speaker 1: time my economic theories were tested during a period of

492
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Speaker 1: time from seventy three to seventy seven, which I would

493
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Speaker 1: call my financial clinical trials, all the ideas that I

494
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: had developed, and by the mid nineteen seventies I had

495
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: become independently wealthy with the success of those ideas, and

496
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: most of them, ninety percent of the people believed we

497
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: were headed to this financial depression again, and my views were, No,

498
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: we weren't in history, but I could not save my

499
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: father's life from melanoma. And it had a significant view

500
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Speaker 1: here that it was the first time in my life

501
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: that I could not solve a problem. I could help

502
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: rebuild a company, I might be able to help rebuild

503
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: a country financially, but I could not find a decision.

504
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: I visited all these senior people, and I went to

505
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: the major medical centers travel with my dad, and I

506
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: concluded by nineteen seventy six that science could not move

507
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: fast enough no matter what I had done or could

508
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: do to save my father's life. So I had made

509
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: the decision then to move back to California so that

510
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Speaker 1: my two children, my wife Laurie, and I two children

511
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: at the time, would know my father before he died.

512
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Speaker 1: And he died about nine months after we moved back

513
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Speaker 1: to California, and then I moved families, et cetera, thousands

514
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: of people back to California, And so this has stayed

515
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Speaker 1: with me. I've lost ten relatives to cancer, and my

516
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: diagnosis was worse than theirs. So obviously I'm now reflecting

517
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: what am I going to do and when it looked

518
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Speaker 1: like I had eighteen months to live. You have to

519
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: figure out what could I do different than they did.

520
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Speaker 1: And the first decision I made is I would focus

521
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Speaker 1: on anything that's reversible. So for two years I did

522
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: not eat anything except fresh fruit and fresh vegetables. I

523
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: had no idea whether it would benefit me, but I

524
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: figured it wouldn't hurt me, and none of my relatives

525
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: or friends who had died from life threatening diseases had

526
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Speaker 1: ever changed their diety. And as I explored the world

527
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Speaker 1: of the Chi medicine in China, or eire Veda medicine

528
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Speaker 1: in India, or witch doctors in the central part of Africa,

529
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Speaker 1: or Indians in the northwest Amazon, or healers from Russia,

530
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Speaker 1: it came to me that I would really focus on

531
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: ora Veda medicine and then five thousand year history. The

532
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: belief was your gut, your microbiome was your second brain.

533
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Speaker 1: So everything you eat, everything you drink, everything you exercise,

534
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Speaker 1: everything you're experiencing is going into your second brain. So

535
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Speaker 1: I was going to change my second brain, even though

536
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Speaker 1: there was no proof you couldn't sequence at the time.

537
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Speaker 1: And so that was a focus that I focused on,

538
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Speaker 1: and I think The other thing I was very focused

539
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Speaker 1: on is that most people diagnose with a life threatening

540
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: disease do the least they can do at day one,

541
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Speaker 1: and if it reoccurs later in life, they do everything

542
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: they can to stay alive. But if you had done

543
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: more at the beginning, then you have had a better chance.

544
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: And so once I had driven my cancer burden to

545
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Speaker 1: what appeared to be zero, I then made the decision

546
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Speaker 1: to have radiation, whereas someone else might have done nothing,

547
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: because I figured the burden was the least. And so

548
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: I set off on this journey thinking about my father

549
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: and my relatives and friends. And I had a bunch

550
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: of friends that I had interacted with that had passed away,

551
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: that how could I accelerate science? So first I could

552
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: try to change my body. And at this time we

553
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: weren't talking crisper. We weren't talking about a technology that

554
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: could change your genes that is still not wildly to deploy,

555
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: because we don't know as we create a new human

556
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: race whether this is good or bad. And so I

557
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: set off on this journey of how to accel rate science.

558
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: But that journey in science is not much different than

559
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: my journey in finance or the journey, we took an

560
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: education in what we did. I was going to try

561
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: to attract the best and most talented people in the

562
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: world to come work in this field. And no matter

563
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Speaker 1: how talented you were, if you were the individual that

564
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: perceived the future was mobile phones or cell phones, Craig McCall,

565
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: that was a good idea, but unless you had access

566
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: to billions of dollars, you could never access that idea.

567
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: If you were Bill McGowan and believed fiber optics would

568
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: change and we could drive the cost over time from

569
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: twelve dollars a minute to talk to India to zero,

570
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: you needed billions of dollars. So the same focus of

571
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: attention one attract the best and brightest to work in

572
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: the field. Two bring enough financial capital to serve as

573
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: a multiplier effect, and three create teamwork. Many organizations have

574
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Speaker 1: people that have real talent, but they don't act as

575
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: a team. They don't act as one and therefore what

576
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: I saw in medicine there was no team, there was

577
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: not enough financial capital, and many of the brightest people

578
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: were not working in this field. So those were the

579
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: first levels I was focused on. But that was no different.

580
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: In education, we had created a national Educator Award to

581
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: attract the best and brightest into the field, and finance

582
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: had searched out the world's leading entrepreneurs, providing them capital

583
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: and advice and helped create teams for them. So that

584
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Speaker 1: that was the revolution that began in ninety three in

585
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Speaker 1: healthcare and medical research. And I faced just as much

586
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: resistance as I did in the financial revolution. The first

587
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: comment was, prove it well. In nineteen ninety three, you

588
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: couldn't prove anything. I could show you antidotal evidence that

589
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: in places of the world where people were plant eaters China,

590
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: not meat eaters, that the incidents of hormone driven cancers

591
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: or diabetes was far less, and in places that we

592
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: had different diets, fast food diet, it was far more. So. Yes,

593
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: there was anecdotal evidence, and so they said, well, prove

594
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: it well. You couldn't sequence the human genome. You couldn't

595
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: do anything in nineteen ninety three, and Francis Collins, who

596
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: I met in I twenty three, set off on a

597
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 1: journey to sequence. It wasn't till many, many years later,

598
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: and billions of dollars that they completed that. And I'll

599
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: never forget. In nineteen ninety four, I had one of

600
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: our scientific retreats with the world's leading clinicians in cancer

601
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: and science, and I wanted to get a doctor David Heber,

602
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: who had founded the Center for Human Nutrition PHDMD at

603
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: UCLA on the program. And the people in charge of

604
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: the program said, you know, Mike, we're going to lose

605
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: credibility if we have this soft science ideas that there's

606
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: some relationship between what you eat and whether you're getting cancer.

607
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: And they fought me and told me it would degrade

608
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: what we're trying to build here as the leading cancer

609
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: research group in the world. And I eventually reached a

610
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: compromise with him. He would get to speak at linfe

611
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: I wrote about it. He would not be on the program,

612
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: he would not have a microphone, and if you wanted

613
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: to listen, you had to sit close. And if you

614
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: didn't want to be infected with this idea that there

615
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: might be a link to how you live your life

616
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: and what you eat and what you drink and your health,

617
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: you could just sit far away and worn't have to.

618
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Speaker 1: Twenty five years later, Jay, twenty five years later, I

619
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: went to our scientific retreat. I was not in charge

620
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 1: of the programming, and maybe twenty percent of every session

621
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: over four days was cancer and your microbio. So initially

622
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: putting forth ideas that challenge the status quo, whether it's finance,

623
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 1: whether it's education, or whether it's medical, are challenged. Later

624
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: they're accepted, well accepted in anyone could have thought of

625
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: that idea.

626
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

627
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Speaker 2: No, it's so fascinating because I feel like coming from

628
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: an Indian background and my wife being an aerobatic health counselor,

629
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: and you're so exposed to the idea early on that

630
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: your gut health is such a big part of your

631
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 2: overall health. But you're so right that until we see

632
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 2: it in the research and the science and beyond the anecdotes,

633
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: we don't fully comprehend these ideas. And so you're accelerating

634
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: that research. Now, what would you say were the biggest

635
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: challenges you saw when you entered the medical field in

636
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 2: research and in our treatment of diseases.

637
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Speaker 1: So I had entered the field in the early nineteen

638
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: seventies for twenty years, but I was primarily a donor, etc.

639
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 1: And as I mentioned, science was not moving fast enough

640
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: to save my father's life. So I in ninety three

641
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: designed it. I couldn't help others if I couldn't help

642
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: myself and I first had to survive. But there were

643
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: those three elements one teamwork, partnership, so I wrote about

644
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: I went to this MD Anderson, and the two leading

645
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: cancer centers off and on rated in the world were

646
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: either MD Anderson or Memorial Sloan Kettering in New York,

647
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: one in Houston, one in New York. And I noticed

648
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: there was no one from Memorial Sloan Kettering at the

649
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: cancer conference in Houston. And I told the person putting

650
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 1: the conference on, why is there no one here from

651
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: Memorial Sloan Kettering here if we're trying to accelerate research,

652
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: and he told me he viewed Memorial Sloan Kettering as

653
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: a competitor, and I told him not to the patient. So, therefore,

654
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: once we promised funding for research in this field, we

655
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: would only find if you shared all your data. And

656
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Speaker 1: I eventually gone on my board Andy Grove, who was

657
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Speaker 1: the CEO of Intel, and we worked on this is

658
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Speaker 1: early technology with computers and connecting, that we would connect

659
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Speaker 1: all of our researchers digitally together and it might be

660
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Speaker 1: easier for someone at MD Anderson to talk to someone

661
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Speaker 1: at Memorial sloan kettering via technology than someone else to

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Speaker 1: find at MD Anderson. But we told them that we

663
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Speaker 1: couldn't fund any of their research unless they shared their data. Now,

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Speaker 1: some people told me, well, I have to wait for

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Speaker 1: Nature or Sell magazine to come out. The story will

666
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Speaker 1: be out in a year. And we told them that

667
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Speaker 1: their research was so important that they didn't need any

668
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Speaker 1: of our funds. Our funds were only for those who

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Speaker 1: were willing to share. And I would say within six months,

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Speaker 1: everyone in the world was willing to share. And no

671
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Speaker 1: matter how much we raised in money, I was out

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Speaker 1: there first recruiting the best and brightest, and second trying

673
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Speaker 1: to convince people who were thinking of leaving the field

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Speaker 1: to stay in the field. And I wrote in the

675
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Speaker 1: book a little bit about an individual who was being

676
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Speaker 1: recruited to make better apples, and I was successful in

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Speaker 1: convincing him that we could live and still eat the

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Speaker 1: same apples for maybe the next twenty years. But people

679
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Speaker 1: being diagnosed with cancer throughout the world, and the fact

680
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Speaker 1: it was going to be increasing, not decreasing, we couldn't

681
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Speaker 1: wait for solutions and so and then the other element

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Speaker 1: I would say to you was government. There is no

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Speaker 1: individual there is no foundation my family foundations which were created,

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Speaker 1: and today there's with our centers more than ten of them,

685
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Speaker 1: nor Bill Gates and Melinda Gates, the Gates Foundation, plus

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Speaker 1: Warren Buffett, which is is my largest foundation today in

687
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Speaker 1: the world. The amount of money they have is small

688
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Speaker 1: relative to the government. So if you can redirect the

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Speaker 1: funds of the government, you now have access to hundreds

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Speaker 1: of billions of dollars that could be redeployed. And so

691
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Speaker 1: we spent two to three years making the economic argument

692
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Speaker 1: of what the elimination of cancer was. But one of

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Speaker 1: the challenges, when you talk about challenges, we are not

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Speaker 1: able as a country to increase significantly our investment in

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Speaker 1: the National Institutes of Health, the largest medical research group

696
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Speaker 1: in the world. And I discovered in my analysis that

697
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons was there were five hundred different

698
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Speaker 1: diseases constantly appealing for more funds, and so unlike a laser,

699
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Speaker 1: you had all these voices out there, whether it's Parkinson's,

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Speaker 1: whether it was Alzheimer's, whether it's diabetes, and there wasn't

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Speaker 1: a focused request. And so beginning two years later in

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Speaker 1: ninety five, I went to the various disease specific groups

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Speaker 1: and said, if you will stand down, we will have

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Speaker 1: a combined effort focused on cancer, all cancers, like a laser,

705
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Speaker 1: to double the NIH budget, and we will work on that,

706
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Speaker 1: and when it's doubled, all medical research will double, not

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Speaker 1: just cancer. And they agreed, and so we put on

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Speaker 1: a March. It took three years and all this data, etc.

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Speaker 1: To show and interacted with our political leaders that this

710
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Speaker 1: would be one of the best investments the country could

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Speaker 1: make and the leaders in the world in the twenty

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Speaker 1: second century will be the leaders and the twenty first

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Speaker 1: century in bioscience. And so with the March concluding in

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Speaker 1: ninety eight, the President of the United States shortly thereafter

715
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Speaker 1: signed into law what became the doubling of the NIH budget.

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Speaker 1: There's been an incremental five hundred billion dollars in basic

717
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Speaker 1: research spent. It laid the groundwork for what we did

718
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Speaker 1: to get a quick solution for COVID nineteen. Every disease

719
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Speaker 1: has benefited from it. The financial commitment was ten million

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Speaker 1: dollars in the March. Today there's a five hundred billion

721
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Speaker 1: dollar hour payoffs. So the first efforts of individual philanthropy,

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Speaker 1: the efforts of recruiting young scientists, to work in the field,

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Speaker 1: which is probably the highest rate of return in any

724
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Speaker 1: philanthropy that I've seen. The cause of teamwork was coupled

725
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Speaker 1: now with the increased benefit of getting the government focused

726
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Speaker 1: on this area well.

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Speaker 2: And I want to read out this is on page

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Speaker 2: one to eleven of the book where you talk about

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Speaker 2: a new type of organization, and you've lay out these

730
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Speaker 2: very clear principles that you're just speaking about right now. So,

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Speaker 2: as you said, recruit the best and brightest scientists and physicians,

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Speaker 2: focus on the career paths of these young investigators, require

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Speaker 2: collaboration in place of competition, build cross sector ties, Identify

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Speaker 2: the most promising research not funded by the NIH. Eliminate

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Speaker 2: needless bureaucracy. And the list continues. And I mean, you

736
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Speaker 2: make it sound so easy when I'm listening to you

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Speaker 2: right now and when you read it like this, But

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Speaker 2: I'm imagining that each one of these items took a

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Speaker 2: lot of time energy. I mean, you make it sound

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Speaker 2: so seamless, But I would love to know how challenging

741
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Speaker 2: is it to galvanize at such a large scale and level.

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Speaker 1: So if you were at a Parkinson's Foundation or a

743
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Speaker 1: diabetes foundation and thousands of talented people try to increase funding.

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Speaker 1: But it was like there was a zero sum game.

745
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Speaker 1: If I increased funding for diabetes, I had to take

746
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Speaker 1: it away from someone else. And so getting them to

747
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Speaker 1: accept that they were unsuccessful and to stand down and

748
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Speaker 1: have faith. It's somewhat based on past performance in the

749
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Speaker 1: financial investment they want in business, they want to know

750
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Speaker 1: what's your past performance? Do you have a track record?

751
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Speaker 1: So we had a track record of success to build on,

752
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Speaker 1: and we didn't ask them to stand down for their lifetime.

753
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Speaker 1: We just asked them to stand down for a few

754
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Speaker 1: months here so we could focus like a laser our

755
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Speaker 1: attention on this issue. Eliminating cancer is a cause of death.

756
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Speaker 1: And bringing in the leading economists in the world was

757
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Speaker 1: worth fifty trillion dollars to the US economy in the

758
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Speaker 1: early nineteen nineties, multiples of what the economy and so

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Speaker 1: we could show the results. And so, yes, you have

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Speaker 1: to have a past track record convincing a person not

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Speaker 1: to change their career. I remember one of the world's

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Speaker 1: leading chemists has been about to be given a job

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Speaker 1: as the dean of the most prestigious universe in the world,

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Speaker 1: but he would leave the laboratory so I went and

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Speaker 1: asked him who's running Warner Brothers. At the time, it

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Speaker 1: was two friends of mine, Terry Simmel and Bob Dailey.

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Speaker 1: He had no clue who was running. I asked him,

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Speaker 1: has he ever heard of Stephen Spielberg? And he says, yes,

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Speaker 1: he's heard of Stephen Spielberg. I said, well, if you

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Speaker 1: become the Dean, no one will ever hear of you,

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Speaker 1: because Steven Spielberg took years to make movies and product

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Speaker 1: You're working on breakthroughs here in bioscience that might change

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Speaker 1: the world. You becoming a manager of others might never

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Speaker 1: change the world. And so luckily he decided to stay that.

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Speaker 1: When you think of young scientists, the hundreds or thousands

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Speaker 1: that I've dealt with, you graduated in high school, you

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Speaker 1: were seventeen or eighteen years old, you're now thirty one

778
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Speaker 1: or thirty two or thirty three years old. You've gone

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Speaker 1: to medical school, you got a PhD. You had fellowships, residencies, internships,

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Speaker 1: and now you're ready for your own laboratory and there's

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Speaker 1: no money. It's very easy to make the decision to

782
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Speaker 1: go into industry family practice and give up your basic research.

783
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Speaker 1: But if we can greet you at that time and

784
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Speaker 1: give you your own laboratory and get the institution to

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Speaker 1: match for one hundred thousand dollars a year for three years,

786
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Speaker 1: you've changed the career. And whether it's in our Melanoma

787
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Speaker 1: Research Alliance, or whether it's in our Faster Cures Group

788
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Speaker 1: for All life threatening Diseases, or whether it's in the

789
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Speaker 1: Prostate Cancer Foundation. If we have twenty five young scientists

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Speaker 1: and they each are going to work for forty years,

791
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Speaker 1: by funding them at two and a half million dollars

792
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Speaker 1: for the first year and each year, you've bought one

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Speaker 1: thousand years of their time. And when I look back

794
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: over the thirty years to all these new therapies that

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Speaker 1: have been created, you will find a young scientist, a

796
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Speaker 1: young person there. It's very interesting. At the National Institutes

797
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Speaker 1: of Health, the first age that you get an award

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Speaker 1: is forty three. If you look at who's won Nobel

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Speaker 1: Prizes and science, most people have won for an idea

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Speaker 1: they had when they were within a few years of school.

801
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Speaker 1: James Watson was in his twenties when he put forth

802
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Speaker 1: this idea we have genes, etc. You know so many

803
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Speaker 1: Einstein I think was twenty three, and so the idea

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Speaker 1: that you're going to school and you're studying, and you've

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00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: now spent fifteen years after high school and now we're

806
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Speaker 1: going to tell you can wait another twelve years. It's ridiculous.

807
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Speaker 1: And so the system really was not prepared for the

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Speaker 1: fact that we needed to get the best and brightest

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Speaker 1: and divert their careers younger. And so I have spent

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Speaker 1: more than thirty years working on this, the same thing

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Speaker 1: we had worked on forty years ago with educators to

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Speaker 1: try to get them to stay as an educator. When

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Speaker 1: you go to India today, people are so confused today

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Speaker 1: that think India is like China. There were twenty three

815
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Speaker 1: or twenty four million in children born last year in India.

816
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Speaker 1: There were nine to ten million born in China, more

817
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Speaker 1: than twice as many children. Today, there are more than

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Speaker 1: two hundred million more children in India than in China.

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Speaker 1: China is more advanced digitally, but there's very few countries

820
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Speaker 1: where the competition for education you know today is more significant.

821
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Speaker 1: And they also have a belief in healthcare not based

822
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Speaker 1: on modern technology but five thousand years of anecdotal experience.

823
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Speaker 1: So yes, our theory is that your gut have been

824
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Speaker 1: proven to be true with modern sequencing technologies. And this

825
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Speaker 1: year they've just approved giving the microbiom own of one

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Speaker 1: person who responded well to treatment to another person that

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Speaker 1: didn't respond well, admitting that because they have a different gut,

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Speaker 1: they're going to respond well, and how their genes are

829
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Speaker 1: expressed or how the therapy they're given is going to

830
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Speaker 1: be expressed differently. But in India, you had five thousand

831
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Speaker 1: years of experience of if you did this, that happened

832
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Speaker 1: when I went to the Northern Amazon, Northwest Amazon. Here,

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Speaker 1: I am dressed head to toe and I wrote about

834
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Speaker 1: it all in black. And our Indian guide has a

835
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Speaker 1: pair of shorts on and that's it. He's immune to everything.

836
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Speaker 1: I'm not immune to anything. And he takes me over

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Speaker 1: and he says, well, we use this bush against malaria,

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Speaker 1: and we use this for this. And he shows me this,

839
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Speaker 1: and he said, if we ever get separated, you can

840
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Speaker 1: hack this bush and drink the water inside. But then

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Speaker 1: he goes and he tells me, but don't drink the

842
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Speaker 1: water in this bush. It could kill you. So they

843
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: both look the same to me, Okay, both of them.

844
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Speaker 1: So I got a rope and we tied it around

845
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Speaker 1: his waist and my ways so we would never be

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Speaker 1: separated as we are hacking through the jungle. And so

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Speaker 1: I think the world today is adjusting to what have

848
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Speaker 1: we learned over thousands of years that we didn't take

849
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Speaker 1: in consideration. And the environmental movement, the effort here in

850
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Speaker 1: healthy human, healthy planet is totally interrelated.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: What have you found as you'll, I guess the things

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Speaker 2: that you're most happy about that proved to you. The

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Speaker 2: research is going in the right direction. What are you

855
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Speaker 2: pointing towards as successes or solutions.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's just took about two that the world has

857
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Speaker 1: full knowledge of HIV AIDS. The number one talk show

858
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: host not the number one healthcare podcast in the world.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty seven, Oprah Winfrey goes on television and

860
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Speaker 1: tells the people of America that one in five are

861
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Speaker 1: going to die from AIDS in the next three years.

862
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Speaker 1: That's based on her work. Well, unfortunately, many people died,

863
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Speaker 1: but we didn't have eighty million people die. We had

864
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Speaker 1: tens of thousands. And the cocktails and the anti virals

865
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Speaker 1: that were created. So one of the most popular people

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Speaker 1: in the United States, Magic Johnson, announced in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: one that he was diagnosed with a V and he's

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Speaker 1: going to have to retire at his peak of his

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Speaker 1: career from the NBA. Most people, including myself, thought he

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Speaker 1: might not make it. Today's a friend. He's participated in

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00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: our faster cures effort. He's bigger than life. His smile

872
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: is bigger than life. It's thirty two years later. Where

873
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: do we see it the most? When you say where

874
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: are the results? Look at sub Sahara, Africa. Two thirds

875
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: of everyone with HIV and AIDS lived in sub Sahara, Africa.

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00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: If you wanted to go work there, they wanted you

877
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: to work thirty years ago they paid you compact pay

878
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: out of fear that you could be infected. Well, today,

879
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: the chance of a woman with proper care passing AIDS

880
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: onto her children is two percent, down from ninety five.

881
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: So the population of Subsherra, Africa is growing. Children that

882
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: were orphans are no longer born with HIV. People with

883
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: HIV and AIDS are living today, not dying. And what

884
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: do we just see in the last three years during COVID,

885
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: the leaders in the state that you and I are

886
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: in today California, told Californians that one in two Californians

887
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: are going to get the disease in the next three months,

888
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: and that five million of people in California will have

889
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: to be hospitalized, but there's only a few hundred thousand

890
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: hospital beds. It was a catastrophe. More than a million

891
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: people died in America, more than ten or twenty million worldwide.

892
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: But it wasn't fifty percent of the population, it wasn't

893
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Speaker 1: ten percent of the population. And it was only sixty

894
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: three days between the sequencing of the virus and the

895
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Speaker 1: first human being getting a vaccine. Sixty three days, nine weeks,

896
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Speaker 1: not ten years. And so that is why I wrote

897
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Speaker 1: the book. Okay, I wrote the book because we are

898
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: in the verge of a total revolution, the same as

899
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Speaker 1: I saw in finance in healthcare today with technology, and

900
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: so it's time to put your foot on the accelerator

901
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: and go faster, not time to ease up, because we

902
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: think we have put into suspended animation this pandemic. And

903
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: so that was my concerning There were these points of

904
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: the March and ninety eight. There was this point of

905
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: the set libration of science in twenty twelve, and there's

906
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:08,479
Speaker 1: a point here today that people don't have to die.

907
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: For the first time in history. We have a good

908
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: chance to cure your disease in your own lifetime if

909
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: we stay with it.

910
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 2: How can me and my community support these efforts? How

911
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 2: can people be involved? How can people be engaged if

912
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,439
Speaker 2: they feel inspired by what you're doing and the work

913
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 2: that you're leading on, how can they get involved? Because

914
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: I think that's often you know, what you're sharing is

915
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 2: a healthier future, which I think we all want. But

916
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 2: naturally we often people get discouraged because of headlines and

917
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 2: news and everything that we see around us.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of things or things aren't true that

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01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: are in the headlines. So just the concept of healthy human,

920
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: healthy planet. Such a large percent of the earth today

921
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: is devoted to raising animals seventy to eighty billion animals

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Speaker 1: for humans to eat, and that doesn't count the billions

923
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: of fish. We are on the verge of essentially being

924
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: able to create a hamburger without a calf, without a cow.

925
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: Now for a person in India who doesn't eat a hamburger,

926
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: doesn't make any difference, okay, But if we can grow

927
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Speaker 1: it in a laboratory and just give it light and

928
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: energy and nutrients, we don't have to go through the

929
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Speaker 1: whole process of all the water required, all the land

930
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: required to grow physical animals. So yes, we can grow

931
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Speaker 1: food in a laboratory. And now it has just been

932
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: approved to allow this to occur. We needed to get

933
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Speaker 1: the cost down. It used to be thirty thousand ounce,

934
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: then it went to three. Now it's a few hundred.

935
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: But it's only a matter of time where we can

936
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Speaker 1: have a substantial change in the planet. A friend of

937
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: mine put up the money to do a book called

938
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: draw Down, and draw Down listed the twenty major factors

939
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: that were changing our atmosphere and the environment the earth

940
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: is in. Ten of them relate to food, ten of

941
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: them relate to other things. And so we have a chance.

942
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: And the environmental movement, combined with the health movement, science

943
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: today can show you what happened. So we know today

944
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: that what were all these vegetables on the planet for?

945
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: If you believe in Darwin, what's the purpose of broccoli, califlower,

946
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: Brussels flouts? These things are little pac man, they're out

947
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: there eating. Okay, car synogens in your body. We've learned

948
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: today that your immune system can do amazing things. And

949
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: I wrote about it when I first heard Jim Allison

950
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: talk in nineteen ninety seven that your immune system is

951
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: smarter than all the scientists in the room, but someone

952
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: turned off your immune system and that's why you got

953
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: a life threatening disease. Okay, and that occurred, and so

954
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: he developed and won a Nobel Prize for the concept

955
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: of checkpoint inhibitors, and we financed his work for ten years.

956
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: In prostate cancer. It wasn't that effective, but the minute

957
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: we moved to melanoma, the death rate has dropped by

958
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: fifty percent. And so what he did is we turned

959
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: off the switch and the cancer that turned off your

960
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:06,919
Speaker 1: immune system. The idea of growing your own organs. There

961
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: are now people that have had organ transplants from others

962
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: take these drugs to prevent rejection by their own immune system.

963
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: Well at Mass General in Boston other things there looks

964
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: like there's now a technology that you can input to

965
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: a certain degree the immune system of the person that

966
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: donates your organ to you, so you'll have two immune systems.

967
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: So when you get that organ, you don't need rejection.

968
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: Your immune systems will be operating. So technology is just

969
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: moving non evasive surgery. When I watch star trek as

970
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: a kid. The doctor bones. He didn't do any evasive surgery,

971
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: put a little thing on your body and it did everything. Well,

972
01:06:56,040 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: that's what non invasive focus ultrasound can do. So the promise,

973
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: the promise is with us today and so we're just

974
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: trying to get a mission here, going to make sure

975
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: we stay with our efforts that the world mobilized. When

976
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: you look at what happened and the months of COVID one,

977
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: I came back and told everyone at every one of

978
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: our centers that we will all be judged by what

979
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: we did during this period of time. I'm not a

980
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: didn't want to compete with you, but we launched podcasts

981
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five of them. And the reason

982
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: I launched them was threefold. One, if I'm talking to

983
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: Francis Collins ahead of the NIH, I want you or

984
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 1: anyone else to hear what he's saying. Anyone in the

985
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: world could listen. I might be able to talk to

986
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: the CEO of of Alex Gorski Jay and Jay. Most

987
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: of people couldn't, but you can listen to the conversation. Two,

988
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: by talking to him, I can encourage them maybe to

989
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: take action they wouldn't have taken. So when I first

990
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: spoke to Alex Gorski in April on this podcast, he

991
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: was talking about maybe going into clinical trials in January

992
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: of twenty one, and so my comment was why not July,

993
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: which he ended up doing and it was approved by January.

994
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: And so the third effort was to see how people

995
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 1: were coping. So, if I talked to the largest employers

996
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: in the world who had employees over the world, what

997
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: were they doing in China, Italy, et cetera that you

998
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: might be doing in the United States if you were

999
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: responsible for thousands or tens of thousands, or in the

1000
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: case of a Walmart, millions employees, are you going to

1001
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,440
Speaker 1: be doing? And when I spoke to the CEO of Target,

1002
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: he told me that he was protecting their employees. But

1003
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: what happened was when people who lived in small living

1004
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: units apartments came into the store with their kids. The

1005
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 1: kids were running all over the store. And so how

1006
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: you're going to protect the kids and how you're going

1007
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: to protect your workers, And so this had had to

1008
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: be done in a short period of time. Today, I'm

1009
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: no longer doing podcasts. I'm deferring to you how the world.

1010
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:41,839
Speaker 1: But for me I meditated. It made a big difference,

1011
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,759
Speaker 1: I think in my outcome. I went to the leaders

1012
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: in immunology in the world, and I discovered the smell

1013
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: of the seashore and the smell of certain kind of

1014
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:59,839
Speaker 1: trees Sequoia cedar trees seemed to energize my immune system.

1015
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: And so when we think of the senses, smell, taste, touch,

1016
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: all of these come into play in rejuvenating your body.

1017
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 1: So I used to sit at high tide and smell

1018
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: the seashore. Why why did that energize my immune system?

1019
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 1: I have no idea except we came out of the sea.

1020
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: So maybe that was returning to the sea and the

1021
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: smell of the pine needles and things like that. Maybe

1022
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 1: it was relating when I was young with my father.

1023
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 1: So I don't know, but my view was we don't

1024
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: use all of our senses and we understand. One of

1025
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: the things that Iravador brought me was understanding of so

1026
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: many different elements of touch. So I had a chance

1027
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: to see things that I never thought I would see

1028
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:03,719
Speaker 1: in my life. I visited a man in China, ge doctor,

1029
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: who was over ninety years old, and he told me

1030
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: if he came out of the mountains, he would die.

1031
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: But when he put his hands on me, he could

1032
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: create such unbelievable heat. How did he do that? I

1033
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: have no idea, okay, but it gave you a chance

1034
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: to experiencing different things. And just like the two young

1035
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: men from Australia who challenged conventional wisdom, and the first

1036
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 1: reaction was they didn't even go to a good university,

1037
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: why should we be listening to them? And then a

1038
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: few years later everybody accepts it. And so I've found

1039
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: these similarities in my life, whether it was in finance,

1040
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 1: whether it was in public health, whether it's in medical research.

1041
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: But it all comes back to the people on your team.

1042
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: So when I was in India, if India is playing

1043
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: Pakistan in cricket, nothing else is going on, Okay, they

1044
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 1: could be arguing and fighting about anything, but you have

1045
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: to take time out for that game. And so there

1046
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: are things that focus your attention. And part of this

1047
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: effort is this concept of healthy human, healthy planet. Yes,

1048
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: technology has solved so many problems for us, but I

1049
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: think what I've tried to do, particularly in the last

1050
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: thirty years, I've gone from an extremely unhealthy diet okay,

1051
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: to an extreme for the first nine years, I got

1052
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: my ire Veta massages twice a week for nine years,

1053
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,560
Speaker 1: and so I was willing to do things that I

1054
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:06,679
Speaker 1: would have scoffed at in the nineteen seventies, sixties, eighties

1055
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 1: is way out there, okay, But today I'm visiting with

1056
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: you today, I'm the happiest guy to do a podcast

1057
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:23,839
Speaker 1: with you thirty years later because I changed, the world changed,

1058
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: and going forward, we're going to have to make more changes,

1059
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 1: more adoption of things. It's very hard. It's very hard.

1060
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: In the United States today, we now have this quote

1061
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: diabetes pilled that apparently controls your appetite and your weight. Okay,

1062
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 1: so so it's a lot easier than having personal discipline.

1063
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: For me. I ate more hot dogs, I believe than

1064
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 1: anyone except those people that win the Nathan's hot Dog

1065
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:05,839
Speaker 1: eating contest. And how we can eat fifty to sixty

1066
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 1: hot dogs and buns in that short period of time,

1067
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but no hot dog was worth

1068
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 1: your life. But not everyone. And when I found most

1069
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 1: people don't want to be lectured on their diet or

1070
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: what they should eat or not eat. And when you

1071
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: discover things like a Nobel Prize, when they're Elizabeth Blackburn

1072
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 1: about what sugar does to you. So what happened when

1073
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: Mexico put a tax on sugar or Chili put a

1074
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: tax on they increased their advertising as sales fell off,

1075
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: and the same thing occurs. Unfortunately, the developing world is

1076
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: subject to this advertisement and these addicted foods and drugs

1077
01:14:56,439 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: as they move around the world. In China, literally no

1078
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: one had diabetes forty years ago. You didn't even study

1079
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: it in school. And now people in China have the

1080
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: most number of people with diabetes in the world.

1081
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 2: And there's no way of regulating that at a government level,

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Speaker 2: or there's no way because I feel I agree with you,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I think that we're all now

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Speaker 2: becoming more and more aware of the amount of sugar

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Speaker 2: in sugary drinks, the amount of you know, unhealthy fats

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Speaker 2: and carbohydrates, the amount of you know, whatever it may be,

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Speaker 2: or the amount of artificial even in a speaking of

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Speaker 2: plant based foods, even the current like plant based you

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Speaker 2: know foods, they're not all healthy either. So is there

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Speaker 2: no way to make sure that at a higher level

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Speaker 2: that we don't even get access to this or is

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Speaker 2: it just a discipline conversation.

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Speaker 1: No, I think we will be there. The idea that

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Speaker 1: you can take a calf, a sell from a calf,

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Speaker 1: not a calf, but a cell. If we can find

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Speaker 1: an animal that never was shot with hormones. More than

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Speaker 1: fifty percent of all the drugs are shot into animals.

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Speaker 1: So you might think that you're healthy and you're not

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Speaker 1: taking things, but what you ate did and so. But

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Speaker 1: I think we'll have an entirely new food chain in

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Speaker 1: twenty to thirty years. If you look at companies, the

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Speaker 1: market has adjusted, and I wrote about it in the book.

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Speaker 1: So at one time Craft was selling between ninety and

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Speaker 1: one hundred dollars. This year, I don't know where it

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Speaker 1: is today, call it thirty five to forty wow. Nesley

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Speaker 1: announced that they were going to become a health company.

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Speaker 1: What was the market reaction? Social media reaction. First they

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Speaker 1: give you diabetes, then they're going to deal with it.

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Speaker 1: There are three sixty they create their own problems, etc.

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Speaker 1: So Nesley went out and hired a CEO, not from

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Speaker 1: the consumer packaging, but a CEO who had worked in healthcare,

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Speaker 1: and they sold their candy business in the United States,

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Speaker 1: They sold other businesses and they focused here on healthy businesses, etc.

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Speaker 1: And Nestley has flourished, so the market is willing to

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Speaker 1: pay more for that. And yes, the first iterations of

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Speaker 1: plant based diet to make a taste, we don't know

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Speaker 1: if they're any better with all the ingredients they put in,

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Speaker 1: but the ability to grow the same as your ability. Today.

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Speaker 1: We can take your skin stem cell, turn it back

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Speaker 1: to the day you were born and tell it it's

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Speaker 1: now a heart stem cell, it's you, and then give

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Speaker 1: it energy, light, energy, nutrients, and you can see today

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Speaker 1: in a little peatrie dish, these cells beating like they're

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Speaker 1: a heart. And so we'll be able to create pure

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Speaker 1: foods not contaminate the planet in the future. And so

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Speaker 1: this is what technologies promise is and that once again,

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Speaker 1: that's why I wrote the book. You're busy, I'm busy.

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Speaker 1: It's not easy to write the book. You've just finished

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Speaker 1: a tour of more than forty cities in the world

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Speaker 1: on your new book, and so it's not easy to

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Speaker 1: take the time. The analogy I have made is there

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Speaker 1: was this show in the United States called I Love

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01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: Lucy and Lucille Ball was packaging chocolates that coming down

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Speaker 1: the line, and they were coming down faster than she

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Speaker 1: could pack them, So she's putting them here, she's putting

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Speaker 1: them in her mouth. Everything. What are you going to

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Speaker 1: do so my life? In your life? There's plenty of

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Speaker 1: things we're focused on. I've probably given fifty speeches in

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Speaker 1: the last month, but to set the time down was

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Speaker 1: my concern here that we have a chance. Technology has

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Speaker 1: given us a chance for the solution for all these

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Speaker 1: life threatening diseases. We estimate there's ten thousand life threatening

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Speaker 1: diseases that faster Our Center for Faster Cures has looked at,

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Speaker 1: and there's solutions for five hundred. So there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of work to do, and we are on the verge

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Speaker 1: with the use of technology having the ability to do this.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Everyone has been listening and watching. The book is called

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Speaker 2: Faster Cures, Accelerating the Future of Health. Grab a copy

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01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,640
Speaker 2: right now if you're listening, and I hope that this

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Speaker 2: is one of those episodes that you'll share with a

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Speaker 2: family member, a friend of yours that may really want

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01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 2: to listen to it. And I want you to share

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01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 2: your insights on social media, whether you're on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok,

1155
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 2: share the clips, share the messages share the insights of

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01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 2: wisdom that might share with us today with your communities

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Speaker 2: as well, because I think this conversation on improving our

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Speaker 2: own personal health is so needed, especially looking at how

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Speaker 2: the world is trying to find new innovative ways to

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Speaker 2: help us deal with it. Mike, we end every On

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Speaker 2: Purpose episode with a final five. These questions have to

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Speaker 2: be answered in one word to one sentence maximum for

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Speaker 2: each question, and so Michael Milkham, these are your final five.

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Speaker 2: The first question is what is the best advice you've

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Speaker 2: ever received?

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Speaker 1: Do the research?

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Speaker 2: Nice, great Answer've never had that before. Second question is

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Speaker 2: what is the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

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Speaker 1: You'll learn it from the newspaper.

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Speaker 2: Three, what do you do first thing in the morning

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Speaker 2: and the last thing before you go to bed?

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Speaker 1: I say hello to my wife and good morning, and

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Speaker 1: I give her a kiss before we go to bed

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Speaker 1: at night. We've known each other sixty five years, we've

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Speaker 1: been married for fifty five years, and so that's what

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Speaker 1: I do first thing in the morning and last thing.

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Speaker 2: That's beautiful question numberfore about that? What would be your

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Speaker 2: number one lesson from the sixty five years you've been together?

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Speaker 2: If you had to say there was one thing that

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Speaker 2: has been the most powerful lesson you've learned in love?

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Speaker 3: What would that be.

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Speaker 1: See the world through someone else's eyes?

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Speaker 3: Great advice, Great advice. I love that.

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Speaker 2: Fifth and final question, If you could create one law

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Speaker 2: in the world that everyone had to follow, what would

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Speaker 2: it be.

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Speaker 1: Treat others as you would like to be treated.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful Mike Milk and everyone, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: listening to om purpose. I hope that you enjoyed this episode.

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Speaker 2: I hope you'll share it, and I'll hope you'll join

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Speaker 2: us for the next one. Thank you so much, Mike,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for being sure to see you

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Speaker 2: generous and insightful today. It's been a joy talking to you. Likewise,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much. If you love this episode, you'll

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Speaker 2: enjoy my interview with doctor Daniel Ahman on how to

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Speaker 2: change your life by changing your brain.

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Speaker 4: If we want a healthy mind, it actually starts with

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Speaker 4: a healthy brain.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: I've had the blessing or the curse to scan over

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Speaker 4: a thousand convicted felons and over one hundred murderers, and

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Speaker 4: their brains

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Speaker 3: Are very damaged.