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Speaker 2: We always pushed lies on my name and saying that

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Onto the show. We're talking about doctor Odds,

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Speaker 1: And this is an opinion that's pretty controversial within iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: I think the only form of entertainment that should be

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Speaker 1: Episodes on mediums. Talking to the dead is well outside

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it depends how they're talking.

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Speaker 4: If you go up to a dead body and start

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Speaker 1: Now, that would be a fun show. Doctor Oz breaks

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Speaker 1: Just just having his bodyguards mace police officers rolling into

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Speaker 3: Are you okay?

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Speaker 1: I am a doctor. Do you want some almonds?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, he had. Yeah. Doctor Oz had among his

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And he praised the reading that he received from

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Speaker 1: John Edwards saying, quote, let me tell you what changed

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how you know, like to stay far away

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Speaker 3: Guys, It's a rapist ron and it's one of those things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do they work?

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Speaker 1: It's this, it's this jump from Yes, there are things

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Speaker 1: He's going to channel you're dead on Yes. Maybe not

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Speaker 1: During another show, Oz interviewed doctor Mossarafali, a miracle healer

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Speaker 2: Doctor, a doctor memet, Prince Charles.

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Speaker 1: Who are we to say this is a bad idea?

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Speaker 3: Who are any of us to say anything wrong?

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Speaker 4: My god, I love it too, just like Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: How did he know? How did you know?

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Speaker 1: You so much, there's this. One of the big aspects

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Q zone could be real.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, like it stops people from stuttering, do more cocaine?

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Speaker 1: Ancient. It's this thing with doctor Oz, Like it's one

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Speaker 1: thing if you're just like traveling to another part of

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Speaker 3: Oh am I you are you? He is the most

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Speaker 4: But he also has a responsibility to his show sponsors

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Speaker 3: You know, you know who.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that's got to be the first time.

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Speaker 1: So fucking good.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, here's products Ah, we're back talking about doctor Oz

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Speaker 1: having just a great time. So obviously, the fact that

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Speaker 1: the Doctor Oz Show became an overnight success. Yeah, before

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Speaker 4: You don't have to be a doctor to say that

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Speaker 1: But he's charismatic. People like him. It's good that he

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Speaker 1: The unfortunate part is that this guy gained because he's

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Speaker 1: he's very charismatic, he's very charming, and he gains this

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Speaker 1: featured two guests on his show who claimed that genetically

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Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, I mean he's like he's varying, he's getting there,

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Speaker 4: Like I'm I'm watching him slowly go from memet to mangola.

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Speaker 5: You yeah, come on, it is too good a pun

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Speaker 5: to exist that you want to be fair, Robert, But.

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Speaker 3: Let's go for it, all right, We'll do it.

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Speaker 4: But no, we're watching it like turn into a snake

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So Doctor Oz's enthusiasm for alternative medicine has had

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Speaker 1: specific brands, but he doesn't need to. Online retailers watch

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Speaker 1: closely and immediately slap, as seen on Doctor Oz on

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Speaker 1: the pseudoscientific products.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I've seen this.

443
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is where we get to the big harm.

444
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Speaker 1: He did one episode that focused on so called relaxation

445
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Speaker 1: drinks and included a close up shot of five cans

446
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Speaker 1: of beverages he said might help calm you down.

447
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 3: Just a Miller High Life.

448
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just puts a can of on the table.

449
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Speaker 1: Billy d Williams walks out.

450
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Speaker 3: It's a still reserve. Trust me, You'll trust me.

451
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 1: You'll be calm as shit exactly.

452
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Speaker 3: You might yell at your mom, but fun afterwards.

453
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you will very calmly put your hand through a

454
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Speaker 1: taxi cab windows as soon as the episode aired, a

455
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: quote liquid sleep aid called eye Chill ragged on their website.

456
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: Doctor Oz is talking about a new way to wind

457
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Speaker 1: down with relaxation drinks. They are the newest trend and

458
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Speaker 1: helping you relax and calm down. And the best news

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Speaker 1: is they contain natural ingredients already known to promote relaxation.

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Speaker 3: Mulberry love them.

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Speaker 2: I remember the I shill that turned into like an

462
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Speaker 2: entire thing. There's so many.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're about to We're about to talk about it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And also if there was a Laudanum drink, I would

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Speaker 1: be buying it. So the problem with all with this

466
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: is that all of these different relaxation drinks are filled

467
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Speaker 1: with a variety of chemicals like melatonin and thianine and tourine.

468
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Speaker 1: These drinks are unregulated as they are not medicines or

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Speaker 1: dietary supplements, but the chemicals they include all have actual

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Speaker 1: impacts on the central nervous system. Pregnant women and children

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Speaker 1: are often advised to avoid products with some of these chemicals,

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Speaker 1: but the beverages in question rarely note this. No data

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Speaker 1: exists on how these chemicals might impact people in the

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Speaker 1: quantities they are added to in these beverages, or when

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Speaker 1: combined with other chemicals, or when combined with medications, people

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Speaker 1: drinking them might be taking responsible Doctors, writing for the

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Speaker 1: journal for the journal Nature Neuroscience, wrote a warning about

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Speaker 1: these beverages that specifically called out echill by name. Quote.

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Speaker 1: Existing research on the potential benefits and harms of some

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Speaker 1: components of relaxation drinks suggests that they may not always

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Speaker 1: be safe. Indeed, the FDA issued a warning last year

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Speaker 1: to the manufactures of melatonin laced brownies, citing safety concerns

483
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Speaker 1: from the literature, including effects on the autonomic nervous system

484
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Speaker 1: and visual system, and increased expression of symptoms in a

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Speaker 1: sleep disorder. Other components of relaxation drinks, such as l

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Speaker 1: fhionine or amino acids such as taurine, may be considered

487
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Speaker 1: safer consumption only at some doses by the FDA, but

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Speaker 1: relaxation drinks are not subject to such regulations, nor are

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Speaker 1: they required to disclose the amounts of their ingredients.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I mean, first of all, did you

491
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Speaker 4: say melowtnin brownies?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Buddy, what the fuck?

494
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Speaker 4: Like I want to eat and just get tired immediately?

495
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Speaker 4: Like that is very strange. It like, here's the thing

496
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Speaker 4: about brownies. I've never eaten one and been like, I

497
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Speaker 4: just want to relax, Like, no, I'm trying to get

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Speaker 4: a little.

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Speaker 3: Sugar rush to be honest.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, a sleepy town brownie delightful, I would

501
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Speaker 2: be very down.

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Speaker 3: Listen. Pot brownies are very different.

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Speaker 4: It's not it's not the same as relaxation brow Like

504
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Speaker 4: one is like an ambient brownie and the other one

505
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Speaker 4: is like a brownie that makes you.

506
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Speaker 3: Hungry for more brownies. Pot brownies makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Ambient brownies exist.

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Speaker 1: I would love one, thank.

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Speaker 4: You very I mean, I guess I'd rather do that

510
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Speaker 4: than just swallow an ambient But man, that is.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like gets to sleep and also got

512
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Speaker 2: a brownie. I'm sounds awesome.

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Speaker 3: It's bad for your health, I'll tell you that much.

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Speaker 2: Am I remembering this correctly?

515
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: Robert?

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Speaker 2: But wasn't the ichow like like the bottle and the

517
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Speaker 2: marketing like similar style to like an energy drink, similar

518
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Speaker 2: to like a five hour energy that was like the esthetic.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I think those were those were They

520
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: had like a weird different shaped plastic bottle. But like

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Speaker 1: the problem is that again, Number one You've got a

522
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Speaker 1: lot of people with like who are on medications that

523
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Speaker 1: the shit interacts with.

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Speaker 4: Which is crazy that like literally a relaxation drink could

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Speaker 4: be contraindicated for your prescription medication.

526
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Speaker 1: Okay, so everything doctor Oz recommends, I guess, outside of

527
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Speaker 1: like death psychics comes with this caveat. Some of the

528
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: herbs and natural medicines that he recommends do have health impacts,

529
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Speaker 1: but they also have consequences medications they might not interact

530
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Speaker 1: well with. Doctor Oz does not bring this up when

531
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Speaker 1: he shotguns half assed advice out to an audience of millions.

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Speaker 1: That article in Nature Neuroscience that I referenced warning about

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Speaker 1: the relaxation drinks Oz recommended, It's been read ten thousand times.

534
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Speaker 1: So the article warning people that these things can be

535
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Speaker 1: contraindicated and might have impacts on your health and your

536
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: central nervous system read ten thousand times. Doctor Oz's episode

537
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Speaker 1: suggesting these drinks listened watched four million times.

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Speaker 3: God damn yeah.

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00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: People started to notice that this was a problem by

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Speaker 1: the mid aughts. Doctors had been complaining for a while,

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Speaker 1: but in twenty thirteen Forbes wrote a listical laying out

542
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: the silliest things Doctor Oz has suggested on his show,

543
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: including the fact that having two hundred orgasms a year

544
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Speaker 1: would extend your life by six years. Here's how he

545
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: explained that bit of math on his website.

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Speaker 3: Dude, I'm about to live to two hundred years old.

547
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never dieing, motherfucker.

548
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: I never died.

549
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 4: I get one out at least once a dirt five.

550
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Speaker 1: Here's his website. If you have more than two hundred

551
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: orgasms a year, you can reduce your physiologic age by

552
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Speaker 1: six years. Doctor Oz says he bases the number on

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Speaker 1: a study done at Duke University that surveyed people on

554
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Speaker 1: the amountain quality of sex they had. They looked at

555
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Speaker 1: what happened to folks that are receiving a lot of

556
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Speaker 1: intercourse over time and the fact is it correlated?

557
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Speaker 3: Ohkay wait wait.

558
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 4: Wait wait yea is it sex? Because he didn't say

559
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 4: nothing about sex. He said orgasms, and I do that

560
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Speaker 4: on my own.

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Speaker 1: I know he talked to them about the amountain quality

562
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: of sex they had, but like, it's correlated. So again

563
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: he's basically lying here, Yeah, because yeah, you number one,

564
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Speaker 1: what is the possibility that people who are having a

565
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: lot of good sex are in better health? Well, that's

566
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Speaker 1: why they're able to have a lot more good sex

567
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: because they're like, they're physically healthy, and so it's easier

568
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: for them to like, what what are the odds that, like,

569
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Speaker 1: if you're having more sex, you're more social, you're more

570
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Speaker 1: likely to have a long term romantic partner that increases

571
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: your live span. Yeah. Again, I'm of all people, never

572
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: going to be the guy to say there's not health

573
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Speaker 1: benefits to sex. There sure is. Oh yeah, doctor Oz

574
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: is exaggerating this. He's taking an actual study that showed

575
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: some interesting stuff and he's turning it into a lie.

576
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's turning it into like pretending he has quantifiable

577
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 4: data and that like correlation and correlation is causation like that.

578
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what he's trying to do.

579
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is data that suggests that regular intercourse reduces

580
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: men's mortality risks by fifty percent, Which doesn't mean that

581
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: fucking stops men from dying, particularly because it's men who

582
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Speaker 1: benefit in this way. It means that men are less

583
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: healthy than women tend to die faster, and when men

584
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: have partners that they live with, they are more likely

585
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: to have a medical problem. Noticed if they have a

586
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: heart attack, someone's going to be there to call it, like,

587
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons why this is the case.

588
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not dying alone, you know.

589
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not the fact that just fucking magically adds

590
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: like reduces your age by six years if you do

591
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: it enough. Like that's nonsense.

592
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 4: It's nice to think it, though it makes it.

593
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: It is nice to think it.

594
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to une.

595
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 4: Out that article, show it to my girlfriend and say, hey,

596
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 4: you got to help me live longer.

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00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: You know, not coming enough. I'm gonna we gotta do

598
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: this more. Yeah, just start fucking in public and when

599
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: the cops come, be like, this is medicine.

600
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you want me to die six years earlier

601
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 4: than I should?

602
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: I have a right to this.

603
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: Doctor Odd said I should fuck.

604
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Speaker 1: More now on its own, recommending that people get more

605
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: sexes is you know, fine, I'm very pro sex, but

606
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: I am anti encouraging people to misunderstand health science. The

607
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: nature of doctor Oz's audience and the sheer breadth of

608
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: things he suggests makes it difficult to analyze the total

609
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: health impact of his show, but there are some dire

610
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: case studies. As Vox notes in their write up quote,

611
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Speaker 1: there's the case of a man who followed Oz's suggestion

612
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: of curing insomnia by pouring uncooked rice into socks, heating

613
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: them in a microwave, and wearing them to bed. The

614
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: man got second and third degree burns on his feet.

615
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: And the reason he got burned is because he was diabetic.

616
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Speaker 1: He didn't have the same level of feeling in his feet.

617
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

618
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: If he had gone to a doctor and said, hey,

619
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: I heard about this thing that might help with insomnia,

620
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: the doctor would say, well, you're diabetic. You don't have

621
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Speaker 1: as much feeling in your feet. I'm worry you might

622
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: burn yourself. Doctor Oz is just saying, hey, this will

623
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: help you sleep. Do it whoever you are. Again, you're

624
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: talking to four million people. It will be bad advice

625
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: for some of them.

626
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like this all feels very much like

627
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 4: when Trump was telling everyone about the wonders of hydrohalkout

628
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 4: that later and then people are eating fucking fish food

629
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 4: or like fish tank cleaner and dying everyople like how could.

630
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: How could people be so stupid? And it's like people

631
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 3: are stupid. You can't tell them to eat the fucking

632
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: fishball cleaner.

633
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll do it. It's they'll fucking do it. So

634
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: this guy sued, but the case was thrown out because

635
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: the judge determined that Oz cannot establish the physician patient

636
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: relationship through TV. I agree with the judge. That's my

637
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: problem with his show is that he is a physician

638
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: purporting to be giving medical advice, but is also not

639
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: taking anyone's individual circumstances into account, and, more to the

640
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: fucking point, not liable if he does any of the

641
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: irresponsible things that would lend a physician doing their job

642
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: traditionally in trouble.

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00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 4: I mean, it is medical malpractice, whether or not he's

644
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 4: legally liable for it or not.

645
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: I would agree, and I'm going to continue that quote

646
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: from Vox. Not everyone agrees with the judge's reasoning. Rochester,

647
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: New York medical student and blogger Benjamin Maser has been

648
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: publishing anonymous stories sent to him from health professionals about

649
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: the impact OZ has had on patient care. One reported

650
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: that her dad had a heart attack and five stints

651
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: placed in his heart, which required him to take aspirin

652
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: and plavix to prevent blood cloths. He was watching doctor Oz,

653
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: who said plavix was not necessary, so he stopped taking it.

654
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: About a month later, he had another massive heart attack

655
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: and coded and had to be shocked back to life.

656
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: Will continued, My dad admitted to following doctor Oz's advice

657
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: and not acting his own cardiologist.

658
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Speaker 3: Man, yeah, that's really bad.

659
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Speaker 4: Did he have a did he have like an alternative

660
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Speaker 4: or was he just like decided one day that plavix

661
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Speaker 4: is gonna be sure it was.

662
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: If I know my doctor Oz, I'm sure it was.

663
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: You don't need to take plavix. Eat these different heart

664
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: healthy foods and avoid these foods, and that'll do all

665
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: that plavix will do.

666
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, eat some beans and put your face in

667
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 4: some boiled water and you should be fine.

668
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: I suspect it was dietary advice that if you're someone

669
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Speaker 1: who doesn't really need plavix, is fine, or might even

670
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: help you to not need it later in life if

671
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: you wouldn't tell your habits. But the problem is, again

672
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: the way he's framing it, there's going to be a

673
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: lot of people who are like, just had stints placed

674
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: in their heart. I don't need plavix. Fucking yeah, you know.

675
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 4: Doctor Oz, the TV doctor said I don't need this medicine.

676
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: I just need more ASA in my belly.

677
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: The TV doctor also said he can talk to go,

678
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: So I'm on go talk. I mean you will be

679
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: talking to ghosts faster if you follow all of Doctor.

680
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: I want a talkt to ghosts. I'm gonna stop taking

681
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 3: up Lavix and I have.

682
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: A stroke now. On his show, Doctor Oz claims that

683
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: the trust of his audience is the entire reason for

684
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: his relevance. Quote the currency that ideal in his trust,

685
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: and it is trust that has been given to me

686
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: by an audience that has watched over six hundred shows.

687
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: He repeatedly references the fact that he is responding to

688
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: the very real and very understandable unfilled needs of Americans

689
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: who feel alienated from modern healthcare, which is an expensive

690
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: and often inhumane, labyrinthine bureaucracy. Truth is true, Yeah, absolutely.

691
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, how you exploit it is a very different thing.

692
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: But the thing he is replacing it with is by

693
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: and large nonsense. And I'm gonna quote from that rite

694
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: up in the Journal of Ethics again. When it comes

695
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: to epistemic boundaries, doctor Oz admits he applies different standards

696
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: of evidence compared to those accepted in the medical establishment.

697
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: When challenged by a reporter for the New Yorker about

698
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: his questionable evidentiary standards. He replied that all data could

699
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: be differentially interpreted. You find the arguments that support your data,

700
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: he said, And it's my fact versus your fact. It's

701
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: not that he doesn't offer data. It's common for doctor

702
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 1: Oz to offer some plausible mechanism from test tube experiments

703
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: conducted by manufacturers, combined with personal anecdotes from his own

704
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: or consumer's experience, to support the products he's promoting. A

705
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 1: study of eighty recommendations made on The Doctor Oz Show

706
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: in early twenty thirteen found that published evidence supported forty

707
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: six percent of recommendations, contradicted fifteen percent, and did not

708
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: support thirty nine percent.

709
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 4: Gotta love a good like coin flip on whether or

710
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 4: not he's fucking lying to you and yeah, having an

711
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 4: adverse effect on your health.

712
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: If your doctor said, hey, you know forty six percent

713
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: at the time, I get pretty good advice, yeah, you

714
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: would be like, I think I might to get another doctor.

715
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 4: But he would reframe it to'd be like, I'm back

716
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 4: in five hundred here, really five hundred.

717
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: If you assume medicine is like baseball, I'm a great doctor.

718
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, do a great job.

719
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: Now, to his credit, the journal does note that a

720
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: decent chunk of the blame for doctor Oz's success lies

721
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: in the very, very flawed state of mainstream medical science. Quote.

722
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: We settle for incomplete, selectively published data in journals heavily

723
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: subsidized by pharmaceutical companies, and for outcomes that don't give

724
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 1: firm answers, while not on part without offering anecdotes as evidence.

725
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: The fact that debates persist about what constitutes sufficiently high

726
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: unbiased quality evidence to support decisions in the profession as

727
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: a whole creates a wedge that doctor Oz seems to exploit.

728
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: Mm So again, this is the Journal of Ethics being

729
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: like the fact that you can pay to get a

730
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: study done, the fact that we pharmaceutical companies lobby to

731
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: allow them to market things in dishonest ways, the fact

732
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: that doctors are bribed by companies like Produe Pharmaceutical with vacations. Yeah,

733
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: I commend people take medication that is not in their

734
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: best infest to take. That's why this motherfucker has a job.

735
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: And the fact that healthcare is expensive, right, the fact

736
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: that we don't have single pair of health care. It

737
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: all combines to the fact that a lot of people

738
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Speaker 1: who are not idiots. I'm not saying you can be.

739
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's people who are brilliant electricians, who fucking

740
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: are brilliant at whatever, who are great at whatever it

741
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: is they do, but they're not fucking doctors, because most

742
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: of us aren't, and it's hard to get I am

743
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: very fortunate in that I have a couple of good

744
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: friends who are doctors, and I am luckier than I can.

745
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: One of them is a guy who was on the

746
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: shore recently, Cavajoda. I'm luckier than I can that I

747
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: can say to be able to like every now and

748
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: then send them a message being like, hey, what should

749
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: I do here? And that's a question of like, I'm

750
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: having this problem. I don't know what kind of doctor

751
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: to see to like get this dealt with. I don't

752
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: know whose job this is, and I don't want to Like.

753
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: My ex a while ago had a non cancerous brain

754
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: tumor and it was a fucking nightmare figuring out it

755
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: took a series of different doctors and test to figure

756
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: out what kind of doctors she needed to go to

757
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: to get the medication that would help. And it's of

758
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: course people are like, well this guy is explaining things,

759
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: and he's nice, and he's saying that I have the

760
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: power to deal with this, change my diet if I

761
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: do this, if I do that.

762
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 4: He's giving us alternatives to dealing with the bureaucracy of

763
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 4: medical institutions in this country. I have a kaiser and

764
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 4: I had to go to a rheumatologist and I tried

765
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 4: to get a hold of him on the phone, and

766
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 4: they sent me through six different call centers to finally

767
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 4: get to his specific office.

768
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 3: And then I asked the lady, oh.

769
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 4: Can I get the extension so that I don't have

770
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 4: to deal with that, and she's like, oh, sorry, we're

771
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 4: not allowed to do that. And so now now I'm

772
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 4: just recording every phone call and just you know, freestyling

773
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 4: to the hold music because it's.

774
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: The only thing I can do.

775
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know what, I might as well turn

776
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 4: this into content, because this is fucking ridiculous. You know,

777
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 4: there's like the the amount of bullshit you have to

778
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 4: go through makes people like doctor Oz feel like a

779
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 4: good alternative, you know.

780
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and it's it fucking sucks. It just

781
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: really fucking sucks. And it fucking sucks because there's a

782
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: lot of wonderful people who are part of the medical system,

783
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: like the fucking doctors in the in the er who

784
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: were with my mom in her last days, Like incredibly

785
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: competent and compassionate and amazing people who in their entire

786
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: careers will never be able to do as much good

787
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: as doctor Oz does harm because he has four million

788
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: people watching him every day. Yeah it's a bummer.

789
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's you know, it's not a bummer.

790
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Capitalism is actually a bummer. But it's the

791
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: water we swim in. So here's some fucking ats. We're back.

792
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: So in twenty fourteen, Memet Oz was called before a

793
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: Senate subcommittee to answer questions about his unfounded claims about

794
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: dietary supplements. Missouri's Senator Claire McCaskill went off on him, saying,

795
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: I don't know why you need to say this stuff,

796
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: because you know it's not true. Why when you have

797
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: this amazing megaphone and this amazing ability to communicate, would

798
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: you cheapen your show by saying things like this?

799
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 4: And he just pulled out a lot of money and

800
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 4: he just started making it rain all over Congress.

801
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: Do you know how many houses I have? She pointed

802
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: out several examples of the things he cheapens his show

803
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: by saying he had called green coffee extract a quote

804
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: magical weight loss cure. Recent research has recent research has

805
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: suggested that long term use of green coffee extract causes

806
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: bone density loss in animals. But you are, in fairness,

807
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: you're losing weight. Your bones are lighter.

808
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: That's weight.

809
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,479
Speaker 1: Bones are heavy as hell.

810
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: It was everywhere when that came out. It was that literally,

811
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: not just like it's not like bed, bathroom, be everywhere.

812
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: It was get like bones you can fly like a bird.

813
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm h And again those are studies and animals,

814
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: but it's the kind of thing where a responsible doctor

815
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: would say, well, some studies and animals have shown that

816
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: this might call bone cause bone density loss. So unless

817
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: you know your weight is a really disastrous health situation

818
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: and your bone density is fine, I wouldn't recommend this.

819
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: Doctor us is just saying it's a magical weight loss here.

820
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 3: I mean, he's not wrong, he's not wrong.

821
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oz called raspberry ketone quote the number one miracle

822
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: in a bottle to burn your fat. This is a

823
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: fun one. First of all, it's all gasoline. Part of

824
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: why people. Well, Actually, part part of why people are

825
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: attracted to stuff like this is that, like raspberry ketone

826
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: that's natural. It sounds like, oh, if I just like

827
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: getting raspberries, that's gonna help me lose weight. This chemical

828
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: in a natural, healthy fruit. Of course, it makes sense

829
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: that like some wonderful plant based medicine would be able

830
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: to help me lose weight. Raspberry keytones don't come from raspberries.

831
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: They can, but it takes ninety pounds of fresh raspberries

832
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: to produce a single dose. As a result, they are

833
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: manufactured synthetically, a fact Doctor Oz did not feel the

834
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: need to explain because again he's really critical of GMOs

835
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: and it might seem hypocritical to note that raspberry ketones

836
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: are actually synthetic lab nonsense.

837
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 4: I love when people say things like it's it's natural.

838
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 4: It's like I think cyanide is natural. There's a there's

839
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 4: a lot of like natural poisons out there. This fucking

840
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 4: snake venom is natural.

841
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: The fucking arsenic in the apple juice that he's worried

842
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: about is natural. Yeah, it is possible, based on animal studies,

843
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: that these keytones may have some ability to reduce or

844
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: slow weight gain. But no studies have ever been conducted

845
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: on how raspberry ketones impact human beings. There have been

846
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: reports that they increase blood pressure and heart rate in humans,

847
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 1: Doctor Oz does not warn about this. Likewise, when Doctor

848
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: Oz told his viewers that garcina cambogia may be the

849
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: simple solution you've been looking for to bust your body

850
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: fat for good, he did not also warn them that

851
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: it can interact negatively with diabetes medications, pain killers, and

852
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: psychiatric medications. Oh my god, why would you need to

853
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 1: warn people that? Look, what are the odds someone looking

854
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: to lose weight has diabetes medications? Zero?

855
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 4: What are the odds that someone who has diabetes is

856
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 4: sitting around watching Doctor Oz's show?

857
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: Zero?

858
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: What are the odds that a middle class American is

859
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: addicted to painkillers?

860
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: Zero?

861
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: Zero? During the Senate inquiry, Senator McCaskill pointed some of

862
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: this out, and she told doctor Oz quote, when you

863
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: feature a product on your show, it creates what has

864
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: become known as the Doctor Oz Effect, dramatically boosting sales

865
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: and driving scam artists to pop up overnight using false

866
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 1: and deceptive ads to sell questionable products. Hmm.

867
00:43:58,800 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

868
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: In the wake of this, which was a fairly bad

869
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: day on Capitol Hill for him. Doctor Oz released a

870
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: somewhat contrite statement where he noted I took part in

871
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: today's hearing because I am accountable for my role in

872
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: the proliferation of these scams, and I recognize that my

873
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: enthusiastic language has made the problem worse at times.

874
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: Good so far, yeah, good, pretty good so far.

875
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: Oz added in his statement, to not have the conversation

876
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: about supplements at all, however, would be a disservice to

877
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: the viewer. In addition to exercising an abundance of caution

878
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: and discussing promising research and products in the future, I

879
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: look forward to working with all those present today and

880
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: finding a way to deal with the problems of weight

881
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: loss scams. God, yeah, it's just amazing.

882
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 3: I'm just talking about I'm just asking the question.

883
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: We have to have conversations about this, you know, a

884
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 1: conversation would be noting, for example, green coffee extract causes

885
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: bone density lost aries and perhaps be worse. Yeah, that's

886
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: a conversation. Well, you and I have had about these

887
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: things as a conversation.

888
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love people are like, I'm just asking the question.

889
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a doctor. I'm a guy who's

890
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: addicted to an unregulated plant, Oh my god, which I

891
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: just took more of while standing next to my unregulated Gunyah.

892
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 3: Dude, you're living the unregulation now.

893
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: So Doctor Oz, also making the statement, pointed out that

894
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: he believed the greatest disservice he'd done to his audience

895
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 1: was to not recommend specific products, which had provided room

896
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: for a wide industry of shysters to stick his name

897
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: on their website. So like, oh, I was just saying

898
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: green coffee extract, and a bunch of companies I couldn't

899
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: verify started selling with my name on it. I should

900
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: have recommended a specific brand.

901
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 4: Yeah. What I need to do is cut deals with

902
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 4: specific companies so that you can only be taking their

903
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 4: bone density lost drugs.

904
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean exactly good calls.

905
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: Fucking amazing.

906
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

907
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: So, in awake of this day on Capitol Hill and

908
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: this amazing response, physicians across the country asked Columbia University

909
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: in a letter basically, what the fuck why is this

910
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: guy still on your faculty? Columbia claimed it was because

911
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: of their commitment to quote the principle of academic freedom

912
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: into upholding faculty members freedom of expression for statements they

913
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: make in public discussion.

914
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, dude, Yeah, they're like anti cancel culture letter.

915
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: You know, they're just like, stop trying to cancel, doctor ows.

916
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 3: It's freedom of speech.

917
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: Your freedom of speech. Yeah, I mean, doctors also are

918
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: held to different standards than the rest of us. They

919
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: come on if, like your uncle Jimbo says, hey, you know,

920
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: take some green coffee extrac it'll help you lose weight.

921
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that. It might not be good advice,

922
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: but that's just a guy saying a thing. Doctors are

923
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: held to a different standard.

924
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's on you if you listen to your crazy

925
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 4: uncle Jimbo, it is definitely on the doc. Sure, if

926
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 4: he recommends you lose some bone density so that you

927
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 4: look better in that dress, it's it's it's.

928
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: Awesome, it's what.

929
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 4: So.

930
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: On April fifteenth, twenty fifteen, ten prominent physicians sent a

931
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: letter to Columbia University calling Oz's faculty position there unacceptable,

932
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 1: in citing his quote egregious lack of integrity. The only

933
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: change wrought by the congressional inquiry and the flood of

934
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: condemnation from the medical community seems to be that doctor

935
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: Oz started endorsing specific supplements and pseudo medicines.

936
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: God, he's Alex jonesing it.

937
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: He's jonesing it hard. He's so much smarter than Alex though. Yeah,

938
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: you focus it just on the health, none of this

939
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: nonsense like political shit. Everybody is gonna love you and

940
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: you'll make way more money. Yeah. A twenty eighteen analysis

941
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: of his show by The Health News Review found quote

942
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: in the Doctor Oz Show, thirteen out of nineteen sixty

943
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: eight point four percent shows had ads relating to general

944
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: show content, fifty seven point nine percent had specific products

945
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: mentioned by the host using their commercial name, and thirty

946
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: six point three percent of shows mentioning products by name

947
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: named more than one product. He also found that seventy

948
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: eight percent of the medical statements made on The Doctor

949
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: Oz Show did not align with quote evidence based medical guidelines.

950
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 4: So if those guidelines mattered, they'd make more money.

951
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: Doug half a decade earlier, forty six percent of his

952
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: statements are more or less fine. Now it's down to

953
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 1: what jesus twenty two percent.

954
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 3: Wow, So we're seeing.

955
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: Again he matt the quality of the because again you're

956
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: running out of good content. You only have so much

957
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: good medical advice you can give when you're doing an

958
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: hour a day, one hundred and seventy five times a

959
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: year for fucking fifteen sixteen years, eat fruit. Exactly. The

960
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: actual amount of things that an average person can reasonably

961
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: do to improve their own things. Health doesn't really take

962
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: that long to explain to you. You know, it's pretty

963
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: simple stuff, and most of us know a lot of

964
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: it already. We know when we're I know that pounding

965
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: kraton and coke zero isn't a wise healthcare decision.

966
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 4: No, no, but you know it, and you can you know,

967
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 4: fucking you don't need a doctor oz to tell you that.

968
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 4: You know, you just know, you know.

969
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: I know that the fact that I bought the one

970
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: hundred dollars entire smoked leg of of pig from Costco,

971
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: the giant leg that you can got, well, I know,

972
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: I know, buying that and not also purchasing uh, I

973
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: don't know, salad in order to have sufficient I recognized

974
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: that was the poor health decision. Yeah, no one tricked

975
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: me about us, and no point that I think this

976
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars worth of smoked half is a solid

977
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: healthcare move. You know, smoke, what could it? Smoked? It's

978
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: good for my cue zone traditional medicine.

979
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is real for all of my kidney Meridians.

980
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 4: I need all the smoke dams.

981
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: Like all my Meridians are fucking fucking right.

982
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 3: I'ms bro.

983
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: Let me fucking tell you my Meridians are as hard

984
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: as a goddamn rock.

985
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: Feel my kidneys, Feel my kidneys. It's just like, why

986
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: is your kidney swollen?

987
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: The Doctor Oz Show is still on the air. In

988
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, President Trump appointed Doctor Oz to a Council

989
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: on Sports, Fitnish and Nutrition as part of the Department

990
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: of Health and Human Services. He's still on that council

991
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: under Joe Biden two years later. Oh, no politician is

992
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: dumb enough to want to piss off Doctor Oz. You're

993
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 1: never going to hear Joe Biden throw it. Well, except

994
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: for Claire meccastal, God bless you.

995
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 4: Like she was the only one who had the guts

996
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 4: to stand up to Doctor.

997
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: I think other people did. I'm not an expert on

998
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: what went down in that congressional thing, but she seems

999
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: to be the main one who was really angry at him,

1000
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: Which good on you, Claire.

1001
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 4: I love that A bipartisan decision is just like, let's

1002
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 4: share this grifter, you know between administrations like good, you

1003
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 4: know what, God.

1004
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: All agree that you should be able to lie about

1005
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: healthcare as an MD. That's that's so. Twenty eighteen is

1006
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: when he gets appointed to this council. Two years later,

1007
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: during the COVID nineteen pandemic, hero he endorsed hydroxy clorquin.

1008
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: Later that year, he endorsed reopening schools, saying, I tell you,

1009
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: schools are a very appetizing opportunity. I just saw a

1010
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: nice piece in the Lancet arguing the opening of schools

1011
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: may only cost us two to three percent in terms

1012
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: of total mortality.

1013
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 3: What the fuck?

1014
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: Two to three percent of the cart that's barely anybody dying.

1015
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 1: That's barely hundreds of thousands of deaths.

1016
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 4: He said, two to three percent, As if that's not

1017
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 4: a huge number of people.

1018
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 3: He's losing his goddamn mind.

1019
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things. Not making a point

1020
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: proer against gun control either way. But if somebody against

1021
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: gun control said, what keeping these things legal is only

1022
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: gonna cost us one percent of the country, you'd be like,

1023
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: you're a fucking maniac, Like you are a dangerous person.

1024
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: But he's like we gotta and he didn't. Yeah, this

1025
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: outraged a lot of people in as apologized as he

1026
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: apologized for that hydroxy Yeah, he days he did. He

1027
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: he claimed to regret that his comments had confused and

1028
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: upset people, and basically pointed out the lance. It wasn't

1029
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: saying two to three percent of the country was going

1030
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: to die. It was I think more like two three

1031
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: percent of likes or something like it gets sick and

1032
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: like it was he but the way he phrased it

1033
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 1: was it's only going to cost us to three percent

1034
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 1: of the country. I don't care what the actual study. Again,

1035
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 1: I don't care what the studies. I care what you

1036
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: said to your audience of millions. And also I care

1037
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 1: about the fact that in any case, that's fucking evil. Yeah,

1038
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: Like that's an evil thing to say.

1039
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's it's pretty wild to just look

1040
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 4: at two to three percent of the country as like

1041
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 4: expendable if it means that my fucking dirt bag ass

1042
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 4: fifth grader can be stuck inside in a school all

1043
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 4: day and listen, I get it, people with kids, they

1044
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 4: want their kids to go back to school, But that's

1045
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 4: you don't say the quiet part out loud.

1046
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 3: You know.

1047
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one thing to say, hey, look, living in

1048
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: a society, there's all all kinds of cost benefits sort

1049
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: of analysis. Sure we have to do Like, right, cars

1050
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: improve a lot of efficiencies in certain ways, and people

1051
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: like have them. They're also going to cost x many lives.

1052
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: You know, we could change these sorts of laws, but

1053
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: it would it would lead to this sort of problem.

1054
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: You know, we have certain freedoms that may cost lives

1055
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: and like right to be like that, that's just living

1056
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: in a society, right, There's no our society is not

1057
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: angled around absolutely more reducing mortality in every way, and

1058
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: there's a cost to not having these schools open, and

1059
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: it's a very real cost, and like we have to

1060
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: Like that's a way to say that. I'm not saying

1061
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: that's the argument I'm making because I'm not I'm thinking, Oh,

1062
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: I don't think we should open schools out until we

1063
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: actually have I don't know, like eighty percent of the

1064
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: fucking country vaccinator or whatever. Yeah, but like, but that's

1065
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: a way you could That's a way you could make

1066
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: that argument and not sound like a gibbering sociopath.

1067
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 4: And it's weird to like you know, be like, all right,

1068
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 4: it was a poor choice of words, and it's like, bro,

1069
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 4: at this point, saying words out loud to millions of people,

1070
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 4: is your job?

1071
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're choosing to do the job. You could never

1072
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: work another day in your life, and you would never

1073
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: You're rich. You don't need to do this. You're choosing

1074
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: to So go fuck yourself with that explanation.

1075
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 3: Fucking fix some hearts already, stop talking.

1076
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: We're getting to that. So today, doctor Oz works to

1077
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: continue to monetize his brand with his wife and business partner,

1078
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: who he also writes books with. His daughter seems to

1079
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: be getting in on the grif too, with books like

1080
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: The Dorm Room Diet, which she wrote when she was

1081
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: in college.

1082
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 3: I think is diet. It's just free pizza and dick.

1083
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: The dorm room Diet. Hey, you know, if you pour

1084
00:54:55,239 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: coffee into instant ramen, Yes, I've done that, by the way,

1085
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: we all been there, kind of proud of it. It's

1086
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: real good if you add in vodka. He is worth

1087
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars and is not in any

1088
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: danger of being worth less anytime soon. We've talked a

1089
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: lot about the harms of his specific recommendations and the

1090
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: disinformation he spreads. But at the end of this all,

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Speaker 1: I keep coming back to that twenty ten New York

1092
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: Times article, specifically its end when I think about what

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00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: may be his worst crime against medicine. Quote on the

1094
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: stairs at Columbia Presbyterian apropos of Nothing, he began talking

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00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: about certain Japanese, Sardinian, and Costa Rican populations that live

1096
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: unusually long, and said that their shared trait was activity, activity, activity.

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00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: His first column for Time magazine, Living Long and Living Well,

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00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: ran in a section called how to Live one hundred years.

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00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: At another point in his Rockefeller Center office, he said

1100
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: that so many people thrill on to being on television

1101
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: because quote, there's an element of eternity to it. You

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00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: are storing you, You are taking your life force for

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00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 1: that brief moment when you're on camera, and you're storing

1104
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 1: that for all eternity, which makes you someone who will

1105
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: never truly die. That is a fucking bonker's way of

1106
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: looking at being on TV. Shit, that is It's goddamn.

1107
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 4: Mine is he is literally one year away from wanting

1108
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 4: to be buried with his cats. You know, like this

1109
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 4: dude wants some pyramids and some live cats in a

1110
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 4: casket with him.

1111
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 3: This is he's a pharaoh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to continue the quote, and he described

1113
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: his own investment in television by saying, I've always felt

1114
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 1: that when I looked at my tombstone, it shouldn't say

1115
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: memet Oz banged out ten thousand open heart operations. I've

1116
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: probably done five thousand. Am I any better at it

1117
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: than ten thousand? He shook his head. It's just a

1118
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: different number on the tombstone. No, it's not. It's five

1119
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: thousand other people whose lives will actual there's a humor.

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00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: It's not about like you're how better it? You're already

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00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: great at it. It's about saving additional lives.

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00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 3: My god, that it's that's wild.

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00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 1: One of the he has dramatically. He still does perform surgery.

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes he certainly was in the late aughts

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00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: because he's a doctor. He just doesn't do nearly as much.

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00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: He used to do a lot more, and he's he's

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00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: cut it by more than half the amount of actual hearts.

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Speaker 3: And it's the one thing he's good at. I mean,

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00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 3: I almost He's amazing. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that I should note here

1131
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: is that right now, even with the assumption that every

1132
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: available training position for cardiothoracic surgeons is filled, we are

1133
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: looking at a projected shortage of fifteen hundred cardiothoracic surgeons

1134
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: or twenty five percent of the workforce by twenty twenty five.

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00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 3: For years fall.

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00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: There is a desperate need for the thing that he's

1137
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: definitely one of the best in the world at a

1138
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: tremendous and terrible need for it, and he has stopped

1139
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: doing that in order to give people bad medical advice

1140
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: that will hurt some of them on TV. And damn,

1141
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm want to be really clear here, I am not

1142
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: saying that just because you become a cardiothoracic surgeon, you

1143
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: have to do that until the day you drop. You don't.

1144
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: You can quit, you can, and that's not immoral. It's

1145
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: not evil to be like I've done enough. A good

1146
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: friend of mine was a cardiologist for thirty something years

1147
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: and quit to travel around the world as a photojournalist.

1148
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: And I don't think there's anything immoral. You do not

1149
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: owe the world doing just because it's valuable and there

1150
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: are enough people doing it forever. I am not, and

1151
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't have to quit to do some

1152
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: other valuable job. You can just quit to enjoy your

1153
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: life with your family. I'm not saying that. Yeah, but

1154
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: he didn't quit to be with his family. He quit

1155
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: to give people bad health advice that he quit. Yeah,

1156
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: he is doing something that should be illegal instead of

1157
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: performing an additional five thousand life saving surgeries.

1158
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 3: Right.

1159
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's evil.

1160
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that that is bad.

1161
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 4: That is that is definitely immoral to like have the ability.

1162
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 4: It's like being Superman and having the ability to save

1163
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 4: someone from a burning building, but being like, fuck, dude,

1164
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 4: I'm kind of on my way to do this TV interview.

1165
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 3: It's gonna get me more.

1166
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm going to sell people pills instead. Lex

1167
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: Luthor can suck it, you know, I got pills to move.

1168
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 1: The way that he phrases that is incredibly telling, right,

1169
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: Like it shouldn't say Memotas banged out ten thousand open

1170
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: heart operations? Am I any better at it than ten thousand?

1171
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: It's like that's not. I care that you get better

1172
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: at it to the extent that it improves patient outcome,

1173
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: But like I don't care. Like the thing that's good

1174
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: about performing ten thousand open heart operations is presumably somewhere

1175
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: near ten thousand people have had their lives extended, because

1176
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: that's amazing. That's tens of thousands of cumulative, cumulative years

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00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: get added to the lives of people who are loved

1178
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: and who do things themselves, who who do incredit like,

1179
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: who have their own ways of contributing to society.

1180
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 3: Children Like, it's such a sick way of looking.

1181
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 4: At it, really, because it's just like, I'm already really

1182
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 4: good at it.

1183
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,479
Speaker 3: So I decided I want to go get into TV.

1184
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: Now, it's like if he if he'd been like I, I,

1185
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, I did my car, I performed five thousand surgeries.

1186
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: Now I want to become an actor, Like you have

1187
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: that right, absolutely. I'm never gonna say that's.

1188
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 3: I mean, it depends on the movie.

1189
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, if you're in Michael Bay movies,

1190
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: we might have another talk exactly.

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01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: But that's again what it's not that he's decided he

1193
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: wanted to go into TV. It's not that he decided

1194
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: to go into an entertainment. It's that he decided to

1195
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: do a job. To go from doing a job where

1196
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: he was unequivocally saving lives to doing a job where

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01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: he often gives people advice that could shorten or at

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01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: least reduce the quality of their life.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess he got tired of helping people

1200
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 4: and was like, you.

1201
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: Know, time to make some fucking bank.

1202
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I mean, it's not just make some bank.

1203
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 4: But he's like, man, I saved ten thousand lives. I'm

1204
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 4: gonna have to kill ten thousand just to fucking net

1205
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 4: neutral this shit. You know.

1206
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he's just trying to He's trying to

1207
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 3: balance the scales of uh is good and evil.

1208
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: It's so fucking frustrating. I really dislike this man.

1209
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's so handsome though, dude, I mean very handsome.

1210
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 4: He's very handsome. Uh he made a lot of money,

1211
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 4: so that's good. And uh, you know, he's he's he's

1212
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 4: out there every day given given hope to people who

1213
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 4: are currently dying of a very very treatable ailment and saying, nah, dog,

1214
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,959
Speaker 4: put your feet in some hot rice, put your feet

1215
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 4: in some hot and see what happens. Dude, Just see

1216
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 4: what happens. You know, Like someone's got to be doing

1217
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 4: that job.

1218
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: It's this fucking thing part of the doctor Oz problem,

1219
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: and the part of it that that he is he

1220
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: is leaning into but is not as fault. Is this

1221
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: thing that's a broader problem that I've gotten trapped in

1222
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: that a lot of that everyone who's a public figure

1223
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: is at risk of getting trapped in, which is the

1224
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: fact that if you're good at something and also have

1225
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: some measure of fame or popularity, you start to think

1226
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: you can extend your skills to everything. I was in

1227
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: the gym the other day since I'm in Texas with

1228
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: my family, and since I'm vaccinated, and you know, everyone

1229
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: wears a mask, but I've been going to a gym. Yeah,

1230
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: and my family's vaccinated. It's like it's the thing we

1231
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: get to do now, Okay.

1232
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're allowed.

1233
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been going to a gym. And the gyms

1234
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: have like news programs on right, and I saw Doctor

1235
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: Oz on and it was doctor oz True Crime, because

1236
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: I guess doctor oz has added a true crime thing

1237
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: where he's like talking about this woman who murdered her

1238
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: kids and interviewing like the ex wife of the husband

1239
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: of the woman who murdered her kids, and like do

1240
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: this and he's like, you don't have any why are

1241
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: you doing this? Like, oh, because because it's popular with

1242
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: the same people who like your show, And why why like,

1243
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: why not why not stick your hand into this thing

1244
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: that is is deeply painful for a lot of people

1245
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: and make money off of it? Why not do it?

1246
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: Because if you're if you're fam missing good at one thing,

1247
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: there's no reason not to do absolutely everything. I I

1248
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: just hate it.

1249
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's especially since it's it's uh again, he he

1250
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 4: has the god given skills to actually do good and

1251
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 4: help people, and he chooses you know this shit, And

1252
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 4: I gotta.

1253
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 3: Say I blame his dad.

1254
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: His dad too is.

1255
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you fucked up, dude.

1256
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 4: I mean, you did a great job by pulling yourself

1257
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 4: up by your bootstraps and the YadA YadA, but uh,

1258
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 4: you know, maybe you should have maybe you should have

1259
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 4: maybe been more encouraging for him to just maybe you know,

1260
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 4: pick one thing and stay with it rather than you know,

1261
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 4: venture off into television. I will say, at least with

1262
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 4: the true crime stuff that like, I know, he's like

1263
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 4: he's a little bit kind of like getting into kind

1264
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 4: of our territory here with the podcast business, and I

1265
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 4: don't like that. But I'm glad I don't have a

1266
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 4: true crime podcast that he's currently cannibalizing. If he starts

1267
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 4: a Sopranos one, I will lose my fucking mind. If

1268
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 4: doctor Oz decides one day like I want to do

1269
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 4: a prestige TV rewatch show for CNN, that'll be it. Dude, Oz,

1270
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 4: You'll be on my goddamn list.

1271
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 2: I don't think his podcast publishers anymore. The one that

1272
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 2: he was doing. I don't see any new episodes. That's

1273
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen.

1274
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 4: Well, I mean he's doing a true crime show. That's

1275
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 4: That's as close as you get to the podcast business. Yeah,

1276
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Those are the number one

1277
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 4: pods out there. Dude, pisses me off.

1278
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: Can't just my pods? All right, guys, that's the episode.

1279
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 2: Do you have any any plugs?

1280
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1281
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 2: Plug the plugs.

1282
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 5: Uh.

1283
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 4: My name is Matt Leib and uh, you know I'm

1284
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 4: on Instagram matt Leeb jokes. Yeah, I'm on the Gram.

1285
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 4: I'm also on Twitter at matt Leeb. But but follow

1286
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 4: me on Instagram.

1287
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 2: Uh.

1288
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 3: And yeah, And if you like the Sopranos, Pod Yourself

1289
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 3: a Gun, it's.

1290
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: Pod Yourself a Gun?

1291
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 3: Baby.

1292
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: Well, get out there and again find doctor Oz in

1293
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 1: the street and Sophie, what what is the legal definition

1294
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: of incitement.

1295
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:23,439
Speaker 2: I'm not. For reasons, I'm not going to answer that question.

1296
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: All right, No, just just go out and wander the

1297
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: streets angry and and and agitated. Yeah, with a clear goal. Yeah,

1298
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: angrily wander the streets, agitated with an unclear goal. That's

1299
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: what I want all of my listeners to do.