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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. That's right.

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Speaker 2: Every Wednesday, we recap our old episodes with all new

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Speaker 2: commentary and updates and insights.

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Speaker 1: Today we're recapping episode eighty nine, which we named The Finch.

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Speaker 2: This episode came out on October fifth, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: So long ago. All right, let's listen to the intro

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Speaker 1: of episode eighty nine. Hello, and welcome to My Favorite Murder,

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Speaker 1: the podcast where you asked the questions and we don't

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Speaker 1: have the answers and why would we like we're not

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Speaker 1: answer people.

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Speaker 2: You know that We've said it a million times. And

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Speaker 2: also get your own fucking answers whoops, whoops, and.

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Speaker 1: Then give them no us. Please email that It's my

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Speaker 1: Favorite Murder at gmail dot com. Don't forget to Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Some answers take a picture of the answers and send

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Speaker 2: them to George on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: You guys are so smart, you really are, you absolutely are.

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Speaker 1: This is a teaching podcast. We teach you how smart

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Speaker 1: you are by not having answers and requesting them. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we do have answers and we're not really telling you

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Speaker 1: because we want you to learn them yourself. I mean

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 2: It does invite the listener in to participate. Hey, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna tell you this story. Are we wrong?

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Speaker 1: Let us know. That's this thing where when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid's fucking kissed me off more than anything when

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Speaker 1: I'd ask my mom how to spell something and she'd say,

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Speaker 1: look it up, look it up. We have a whole

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Speaker 1: set of dictionaries or whatever. The fuck fucking just spell

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Speaker 1: this three letter word for me. You know what that was, shed,

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Speaker 1: not how to spell it. Hello. It's a classic mom track.

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Speaker 2: Mom, you asshole, pretend to be teaching because you don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's like my dad going, me complaining about I can't

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Speaker 2: do math, him going, well, just tell me what the

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Speaker 2: problem is, and me being like, no, I don't want

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Speaker 2: to open this door. Three hours later, when I'd screaming

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Speaker 2: about new math, screaming like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: From the beginning, he's going to help me. Let me

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Speaker 1: look at the beginning of this chapter. Hold on, let

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Speaker 1: me just read this. Forget it, forget it, forget it.

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Speaker 1: And also it's helped me in no way in life math,

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Speaker 1: No math has helped me. No basics, basic algebra all

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Speaker 2: And even then, really, what are these concepts It's almost

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Speaker 2: like in algebra they're trying.

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Speaker 1: To get you.

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Speaker 2: It's like, I don't have to like plan the projection

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Speaker 2: of a rocket ship to get from here to Mars.

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Speaker 2: It's never going.

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Speaker 1: To happen in my life. A rocket person, yeah, scientists business,

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Speaker 1: a rocket businessman if I call them, or a woman

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be, or a.

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Speaker 2: Mathematician a rocket businessman woman woman Like, let's not I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: I please edit that out.

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Speaker 1: Person person. It could be any gender fluid good ships.

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Speaker 2: You could ride on rocket ships and just be the

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Speaker 2: accountant on the rocket ship. There's got to be someone

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Speaker 2: who sells parts. Where where's that guy in the Alien series?

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Speaker 2: Where's the rocket ship accountant that gets eaten?

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Speaker 1: First? I wonder if that's Paul Reiser.

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Speaker 2: Was the irritating guy in at least one of the

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Speaker 2: Alien series?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but was he the one who got his stomach

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Speaker 1: busted open? Uh? No, although something bad did happen to him.

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't say no, because but I think the one

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Speaker 2: I know, the one you're thinking of, which is the

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Speaker 2: one where they all had to witness it.

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Speaker 1: Man, I need to rewatch that movie. It's the best

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Speaker 1: movie in space Balls. I haven't seen it too long.

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Speaker 2: Very similar, right, similar films, the same kind of idea.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking of Aliens too though, right, Paul Riisers and

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Speaker 2: Stephen Aliens.

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Speaker 1: We're getting a yes from the young Stephen who knows

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Speaker 1: shit science, Stephen. Those are some of my favorite movies.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, Paul Raiser, you know he he gets you know,

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Speaker 1: he has to get it in the end spoilers. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: guess he's the douchebag.

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Speaker 2: He's a corporate douchebag that's like, hey, you got to

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Speaker 2: do you know, Hey, I'm gonna like you to do something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's in charge. Can I say, Sigourney Weaver from

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Speaker 1: the First Aliens is my underwear? Muse? Oh? Hell yeah,

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Speaker 1: those cotton high wasted underwear that are a little loose

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Speaker 1: strings when I fucking saw that as an adult.

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Speaker 2: I have to tell you, those underwear are only sexy

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Speaker 1: If you don't, you look like someone's ground you do,

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Speaker 2: Sure, I don't want to I don't want to kink

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Speaker 2: shame anybody, God forbid, but you really need to have

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Speaker 2: the pigs to make those grandma underwear work. A men

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Speaker 2: and a don't so. Also, you can't know if it

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Speaker 2: and being all like be draggled by being chased by aliens.

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Speaker 2: You know, she would have had like some razor burn.

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Speaker 2: She would have had bush coming out of those underwear.

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Speaker 2: She's not waxing up in space.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I'm a feminist. Do whatever you want with your bush. Listen.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to see it, right, I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: not your specific thing.

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Speaker 1: No, that's not my kink. That's not your kink. Perhaps

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Speaker 1: it's someone else's.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's included and everybody's supported.

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Speaker 1: This is a murder podcast. Guys, are you here for

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Speaker 1: true crime? Well that's great. Is this the first time listening?

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Speaker 1: You are not in the wrong place. Don't go or

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Speaker 1: a bat to talk about murder. Don't go, don't leave us.

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Speaker 1: I have a specifically gruesome one today. Really, it's notesome.

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Speaker 1: It's just that I've been working on it. Anyways. I

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Speaker 1: have to shout out a couple of things. This would

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Speaker 1: be quick everyone, Okay. Someone named Julia or hu R

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Speaker 1: made a fucking eight bit video game of my favorite murder.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and it is. I almost started crying when

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Speaker 1: I saw it. It's just playing it you. Steven loves it.

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Speaker 1: In the beginning, you fight doctors and nurses, evil doctors

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Speaker 1: and nurses that are trying to kill you. It's you

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Speaker 1: and me and Elvis. And the way we kill people

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Speaker 1: is Elvis attacks them. It's and then you have to

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Speaker 1: go to the Cecil Hotel. You can take elevators up

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Speaker 1: to kill certain like different kinds of killers. Amazing. It's

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Speaker 1: like eight bit music. It's all eight bit, but it's

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Speaker 1: like incredible. And so you go, Okay, this is a

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Speaker 1: weird Julia. We need you to fix this website. It's

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Speaker 1: j U k E L dot I t c h

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Speaker 1: dot io. I'm sorry if I actually have sent you

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Speaker 1: to a some kind of virus underpants kink site, right,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think it as you can go play

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Speaker 1: with it. That's amazing. It's so good. Now I have

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Speaker 1: to tell you sadly, I am so old. I am

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Speaker 2: I pre date eight bit video games, so like I

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Speaker 2: know that that's the nineties kids. It's a big deal

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Speaker 2: to them because they played them and it's the whole

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Speaker 2: like a organ trail style show.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I play that. I'm older than that. I'm older.

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Speaker 1: So you guys didn't have computer labs in your school.

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Speaker 2: which is super cheap. Like our scrap paper. We used

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Speaker 1: I swear to god that kind of sounds cool because

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Speaker 1: I love menus. Well, it was fun.

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Speaker 2: And my friend Ken Mason, one of my first friends

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Speaker 2: because I went there in sixth grade, so I was new.

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Speaker 2: He was also new, and he turned to me and goes, mam,

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Speaker 2: We had no idea what it was, how it applied

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that. Not necessarily unless you're a rocket

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Speaker 1: because you were math or extraneous bullshit. You don't need

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Speaker 1: of things I could write about myself for hours.

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Speaker 2: Should I mention first we should say thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: We went to Detroit and Toronto last weekend. Nicest crowds,

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Speaker 2: incredible crowds, incredible shows.

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Speaker 2: There was a woman, there was a people who were

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Speaker 2: But of course I didn't my glasses on, so I

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Speaker 1: have cried. I was like, that's embarrassing those two girls

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Speaker 2: Uh, I just I told my sister the story. There

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Speaker 1: But when we met her at the met and greet afterwards.

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Speaker 2: She goes, I thought everyone was going to have a sign,

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Speaker 1: At this show. It was she was so nice. It

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Speaker 1: the people behind her are so it's like a thing,

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Speaker 1: not like, oh my god, how nice. It was like,

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Speaker 1: oh fuck no, it was really sweet and it was hilarious.

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Speaker 1: It was great. And god, we're just so fucking lucky.

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Speaker 1: We're so lucky. These the best people I know. It's

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Speaker 2: So thank you Detroit, thank you Toronto. I was going

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Speaker 2: insane trying to enter mind Hunters, the new David Fincher series,

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Speaker 1: I was doing it.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, every time I would do it, it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: Are you ready for Dean Coral the Candy Man? I'

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Speaker 2: Is the bleakest, Like it's that thing of like when

434
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,879
Speaker 2: you scrape your pot pipes and you're just trying to

435
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 2: get like you smoke old resin or whatever, like, yeah,

436
00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,160
Speaker 2: sniffing paint is like ten steps.

437
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,439
Speaker 1: Low that well, because I bet the seventies weed is

438
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 1: fucking terrible. Sure, and they're fucking high school kids. Have

439
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 1: you seen there's a there's an amazing mugshot of a

440
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: guy and it just has a ring of a paint

441
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 1: pan outline around his face. It's gold, isn't it? Gold? Ring?

442
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 1: I used to have this tumbler. I had one hundred tumblers,

443
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: and I had one called oh uh what was It

444
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: was called look at this fucking convict? And I would

445
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 1: post a photo of a mugshot and just write what happened?

446
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 1: I should do that again, that's funny whatever? And I

447
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 1: posted that one once. Okay, Okay, so they pass out

448
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 1: and they and Henley wakes up. To find his mouth

449
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 1: tape shut. His ankles are bound and Dean Coral is

450
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 1: snapping handcuffs onto his wrists, and Curly and Ronda are

451
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 1: also bound gag beside him, and Curly had been stripped naked.

452
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: So when Henley woke up, Coral removes the gag and

453
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 1: he says, I'll help you kill them if you just

454
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: let me go. Oh, and he says okay, and then

455
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 1: so they untie Henley. They go to and Coral's going

456
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 1: to sexually assault Curly, and he says to Henley, go

457
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 1: assault Rhonda and ties them up. So Coral starts to

458
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 1: assault Curly. Headn't and then Henley grabs Coral's pistol off

459
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: the mantle, off the thing and shouts, you've gone too far, Dean.

460
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: I can't go on any longer. I can't have you

461
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 1: kill all my friends, and shoots Dean Coral in the forehead,

462
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: which didn't penetrate his fucking head. What this again? I know?

463
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: Why does this keep happening?

464
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 2: That's the second story we've heard where a bullet bricochet

465
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 2: is off of someone's skull. Makes me feel a little better,

466
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's insanity. Yeah, it also makes me think

467
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 2: is it the killers?

468
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: Like, is this a true rate of certain types of people?

469
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 1: When people say you got a real thick skull? Yeah,

470
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: maybe it's a thing. Yeah, science people guys figure it out.

471
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: Cure cancer, then figure it out. Yeah, don't prioritize this police.

472
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: So he shoots Dean five more times in the hallway.

473
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: He finally collapses dead. There's a fucking photo of that

474
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: which you can't see his face. And this murder of

475
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: Dean Coral ends the worst serial killer case in Houston history.

476
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,479
Speaker 1: Wayne Henley calls the police on himself. They arrive and

477
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: Henley explain what had happened that night, and the police

478
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: thought of him as a hero, initially because he saved

479
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: his friends. And then the story took a turn as

480
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: Henley began to tell detectives the crazy story of the

481
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: past three fucking years. So ever since they met in

482
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one, under the command of Dean Quarrel, Henley

483
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: had helped procure teenage boys, some of whom had been

484
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: in his own friends, for Dean Coral to rape and murder.

485
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: The tectors were like, fuck you, that's not true. They

486
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: were totally skeptical, but they went through the crime scene

487
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 1: with the house of Dean Coral, and they started finding

488
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: things that were like, oh shit, maybe he's not lying.

489
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: They found plastic sheeting covering the floors, a plywood board

490
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: with handcuffs on each corner which you can see online,

491
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: as well dildos and other torture devices, and then also

492
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: his forward Ekana line had a wooden crate with airholes

493
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: drilled in the sides, peg board walls and in the

494
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: rear of the van were rigged with several several several

495
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: rings and hooks. It was part of the fucking story

496
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: and last podcast on the left the ship that Henry's

497
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: of Rowski's saying is some of the funniest I've ever heard. Yes,

498
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: it's like he's the master. Yeah, there's a lot of

499
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of triggering shit in there,

500
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: but that part's great, okay. And inside the crate were

501
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: several strands of human hair. They're still skeptical though, and

502
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: so hen Henley's like, let me show you something. The

503
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: leads detectives to a Southwest Houston boat shed rented by Coral,

504
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: gives the names up three boys they could find buried

505
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: in there that had been reported and the costs were like, well,

506
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: those boys had been reported missing for three years, and

507
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: so they start to dig. This is the part in

508
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: last podcast on the Lift where so.

509
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: Upsetting and fucked up, Like I think even Henry was

510
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 2: upset at this part because it's so disturbed.

511
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: Well, there's this document the only good documentary was on YouTube.

512
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: It's called nineteen seventy three Houston mass murders. But be

513
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: careful because they show them digging bodies out. Yeah. And

514
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: the other part that's so insane is they get inmates

515
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: from the local jail to help them dig it out,

516
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: and like what if you had gotten a dui and

517
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: they were like, come dig out, chill, like you're gonna

518
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: be fucking scarred for life.

519
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: Yoh no, and everything about that part where it's like

520
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: they just got some people who are not qualified basically

521
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: as a punishment to you uncover like killing a killing boat.

522
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: Shehed like the most age all boys. Yeah. Okay, So

523
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: so they they begin to dig and find a body.

524
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: Within minutes they find the first body. Okay, so let's

525
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: go to Dean Coral. There's a ton of shit about

526
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: his childhood. I don't think any of it's relevant. It's

527
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: like the typical kind of shitty childhood. Mom and dad divorced,

528
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But it's not. I don't think it's

529
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: that important to the story that I'm telling, so I'm

530
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: not going to fucking talk about it. He ends up

531
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: in the Heights neighborhood of Houston, and that's where a

532
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: lot of this takes place. The Heights neighborhood is kind

533
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: of this poor, underprivileged neighborhood and the you know, back then,

534
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: children ran a muck. Yeah, you do whatever the fuck

535
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: you want. Yeah. So the reason he got his name

536
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: the Candy Man is he worked in his family's candy company,

537
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: and then in nineteen sixty five, the candy company moved

538
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: across the street from an elementary school, and he was

539
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: known to give free candy to local children.

540
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just why not dress up like a clown.

541
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: You've got everything else horrifying going on.

542
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, yeah, it's like nineteen seventy three, they're like,

543
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: go hang out with that nice man. It gives you candy.

544
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: It's absolutely spacials. Yeah. No, it's not then, but it

545
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: should be right not then, but like now that we

546
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: know what we know, it's just like people.

547
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 2: It's like people are like, oh, I'm not trying to

548
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: catch any fish, I'm just making this huge fishing lure

549
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: right that, you know what I mean?

550
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: It just like what would make children come around all

551
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: the time? What's that movie that has what's his name

552
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: Matt Dylan and the child the kids take over the town?

553
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: Oh, on the on the edge, over the edge, over

554
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: the edge, you mean where they're just partying in the suburbs, Like.

555
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, the nants are around. Yeah, yeah, watch that movie

556
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: and that's what to me. It seems like this time

557
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: was like it's a good movie. But also you just

558
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: were out all tell whenever you want it to be.

559
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: You had total freedom. Yeah, to hang out with fucking perverted.

560
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah there was thirty year old men. Yes.

561
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: It was the thing of if they're an adult, they're

562
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: in charge. If they're an adult, they're fine. Yeah, Like

563
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 2: that's all it takes to qualifies. You have a job

564
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: in a car and you don't have like long hippie and.

565
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: You're a good guy. Good Yeah. So he was known

566
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 1: to get free candy out in particular teenage boys, and

567
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: they let he made a whole wreck room for them

568
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: to hang out and with like a pool table and shit.

569
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: He's big and broad shoulders, thick black hair, and sideburns.

570
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: He was known, in the words of one of the reporters,

571
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: a pleasant, smiling candy man of the heights. Red flags,

572
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: aren't they all? Aren't they all? Yeah? I don't know,

573
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: red flag. Yeah, I know. There's a couple of pictures

574
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: of him, there's not a lot, and he just looks

575
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: like a normal dude, a normal like nice looking guy. Yeah.

576
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: Creepy, Yeah, he's he's the creepiest in that he clean cut. Yes,

577
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: he did it exactly right to not get caught. He

578
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: he did it so right. Okay.

579
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 1: So in nineteen sixty seven, he befriended twelve year old

580
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: David Brooks. He was in sixth grade. His family life

581
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: was kind of falling apart, and so Brooks was taken

582
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: under Dean's wing as like a mentor almost he Brooks

583
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: said about him he was the first adult male who

584
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: didn't make fun of him, and that he was like

585
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: a father figure, which is insane. Yeah, so as a teen.

586
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: As when Brooks became a teen, Coral paid him to

587
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: allow him to perform fillatio on him, and he began

588
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: living with Dean, a lot since he was from this

589
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: broken home, and I'm sure his famian was like, great,

590
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: he's got an adult role model. Yeah, But according to

591
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: those who knew Brooks, the teenager wasn't okay. He had

592
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: a girlfriend who lived in the heights. But this older

593
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: man who had known him since he was twelve, was like,

594
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: I won't help me. Yeah. He basically, well, that's great.

595
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: What him heed of files do, yeah.

596
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: Is they groomed. They pick them. They only pick children

597
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: who aren't being protected.

598
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, this kid, they say that he was an introspective

599
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: young kid to probably have a ton of friends. His

600
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: parents were divorced and moved away. They moved away. So

601
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: and in all of these fucking documentaries and all of

602
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: these stories, they call Dean Chral homosexual and I can't

603
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: fucking I don't think that's right. I think he's a

604
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: pedophile and that's not the same thing as being homosexual.

605
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: He even had a girlfriend, Dean coral Don. Yeah, you

606
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: know he's a pedophile. He's a pedophile. Like, that's not homosexual, right,

607
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: So that's also I think it could be too.

608
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: You're reading things from Texas in like the eighties, maybe

609
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: where there's not you know, people hadn't caught up all

610
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: the way to like, what what are we really talking about?

611
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: Because most pedophiles are straight men. Yeah, that's that's like governmental,

612
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: Well I still.

613
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: See it like copied in articles, you know, that homosexual

614
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: like just he's a pedophile who liked young boys. So

615
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: it's I don't know, it's just that's something that irks me.

616
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: Like I feel like if I had said that, we

617
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: get an email from someone to be like it's not

618
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, and rightfully directing it, And I totally agree

619
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, exactly. So Dean Coral's first known murder

620
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: victim is eighteen year old Jeffrey Conan on September twenty fifth,

621
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy he'd been hitchhiking from the University of Texas

622
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: and was dropped off near Dean's apartment. And they think

623
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: that Dean offered him a ride and he gagged him

624
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: with a cloth and strangled him. After the murder of

625
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Conan, David Brooks so his fucking kid who is fifteen,

626
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: walks in on Coral in the act of assaulting two

627
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: teenage boys who quarreled, strapped to apply with torture board

628
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: and Coral promised Brooks a car in return for his silence.

629
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: He told Brooks fifteen years old that he is part

630
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: of the gay pornography ring. He had been paid to

631
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: send the boys to California to post for photos. That's

632
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: what his story was. It's so you don't have to

633
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: worry about it. Yeah, somehow. But then later Coral confessed

634
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 1: that he had killed the boys and he offered David

635
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars for any boy he could lure to

636
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: Coral's apart. And at this point it seems like Brooks

637
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: and people say he didn't have a choice. You know,

638
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: he was now part of it because he had not

639
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: told about the two boys he had seen him molesting.

640
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: And also this is this is a life change that's

641
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: been introduced by a person he trusted, so he doesn't

642
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: he hasn't had any other adults in his life that

643
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: have been reliable, it sounds like or good people, and

644
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: now the one person that he sees as a good

645
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: person is introducing all these kind of variables where he's

646
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: supposed to believe this is okay behavior.

647
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: Or it's like, yeah, cut this person who's supported you

648
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: for the past, you know, few years out of your

649
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: life or do what's play along, lay along, You're not

650
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: going to kill anyone, just bring him to him. I mean,

651
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: it's insane. It's an insane fucking.

652
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: Story, but it's it's kind of like brainwashing, and really

653
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: that's you know, he's getting people. He's not convincing anybody

654
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: that's like coming from a great background with a lot

655
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: of solid ground under this, which isn't in no way

656
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,239
Speaker 2: to say if you're from a broken home, obviously right

657
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: that you would be. But it's more of the he

658
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: knew who to pick to groom, to basically brainwash into

659
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: living this.

660
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: I mean, aside from being Coral is clearly a psychopath.

661
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: It's insane that he was able to get this kid,

662
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: David Brooks, to fucking do this for him. And I

663
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: can't wrap my head around it. I can't imagine a

664
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: scenario that I'd ever be okay with that, which means

665
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: it's a scenario that I can't even imagine. It's like

666
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: something really insane happened that this kid was okay with it.

667
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: Right, or maybe he wasn't okay with it, but what

668
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: else he was already in Yeah, like he didn't he

669
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: had nowhere else to go.

670
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 1: Definitely okay. On December thirteenth, nineteen seventy, so, David Brooks

671
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: lures two fourteen year old kids named James Glass and

672
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: Danny Yates. He lures them from a religious rally to

673
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: Coral's apartment. You know, the thing of like, hey, let's

674
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: go party. You know, I got some weed and we

675
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: can hang out at this dude's house. Yeah, the cool

676
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: older guy. There's a lot the table. Do you know

677
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: who it is? It's fucking uh it's the movie. Oh

678
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: my god, what's wrong. It's Matthew McConaughey. It's Matthew motherfucking

679
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: McConaughey from Days and Days and Confused. Yes, that's exactly

680
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: who he is. And the victim is the kid from

681
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: it with the long hair. Yeah, the little kid, the

682
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: fifth the new freshman. Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

683
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: And like everyone's like Dave, Matthew McConaughey's character is so cool.

684
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: Now he's a fucking perverted pediphi. He's an old man.

685
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: He's a gross old man. He wants to hang out

686
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: with high school kids.

687
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: But there is that thing of inclusion if you are

688
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 2: living your whole life, So say it is, let's use

689
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: the Days and Confused example, and that kid isn't just

690
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: getting his ass kicked at school, but there is very

691
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: violent scenes of him getting his ass kicked at home,

692
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 2: and home being an unsafe place.

693
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: For him to be.

694
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: And then you've got Matthew Connie rolling up and being like,

695
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 2: hey man, it's chill.

696
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: Come and play pool. Yeah, get in my cool car.

697
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: I'll drive you around town. We'll go to this bar,

698
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: play pool.

699
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: Totally you found you finally found somewhere to land. You

700
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: don't want to give that up right away. But then

701
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: it's almost like he's slowly ebbed aware. I don't know

702
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: there's a better way to say it, but like it's

703
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: almost like I bought him, I bought you a car,

704
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: you know, like he's just slowly grinding down this kid's

705
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: inner identity.

706
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fucked up, I mean yeah, definitely.

707
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: So let's so the police should arrest matt McConaughey's what

708
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

709
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: What it like, it's so much worse, you know our

710
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: tagline always um. So, both boys, James Glass and Danny Yates,

711
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: are tied to opposite sides of Coral's torture board and

712
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: subsequently raped and strangled. Six weeks after that double murder,

713
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: on January thirtieth, nineteen seventy one, Brooks and Coral find

714
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: two teenage boys, brothers named Donald and Jerry Waldrip Waldorp,

715
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: wald Brell Waldrop walking. The boys were taken into the

716
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: van driven Coral's apartment and it's like, they don't grab

717
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: them off the street, they want a party, which is

718
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: the scariest part to me. Yeah, the partner where they rape, torture,

719
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: and strangle the brothers. And at this point Brooks drops

720
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: out of school just it's he's one hundred percent with Coral.

721
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: So again, I bet you he's sorry, But I bet

722
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: you he's.

723
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: If there's some you know, like the moral compass inside,

724
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: he's probably having to met self medicate so much just

725
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: to make all of this okay.

726
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: Right and then having a normal life like school and teachers.

727
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: Your brain can't wrap around them.

728
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 2: There's no going back to sitting in a classroom after

729
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: you're doing shit like that.

730
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: Totally. So, between March and May nineteen seventy one, Coral

731
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: abducted and killed three more victims, all of who lived

732
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: in the Heights area as well. His mo in most

733
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: cases was gruesome, torture and rape, and he'd sometimes shoot them,

734
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: sometimes strangle them. A couple occasions he'd leave his victims

735
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: to die by bleeding out from the gunshot Loan and

736
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: each of these abductions, Brooks is known to have been

737
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: a participant. Again, they go a lot further into it

738
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: if you're okay with gruesome shit. In last podcast on

739
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: the left, Yeah, the other two victims was were thirteen

740
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: year old David Hildegeist and sixteen year old Greg Winkle,

741
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: and they were abducted and killed together on the afternoon

742
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: of May twenty ninth, nineteen seventy one. And so in

743
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: the case with other parents as well. Both sets of

744
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 1: parents are frantic to find their kids. They know something

745
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: is wrong. These are young boys who don't run away.

746
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: And one of the people who voluntarily offered to distribute

747
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: posters at the boys was a friend of theirs, fifteen

748
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: year old neighbor Wayne Henley, lifelong friend of Hildegeist. So,

749
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: and this point in seventy one, Brooks introduces Coral to

750
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: Wayne Henley remember him from the beginning of the story.

751
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: He's shot and killed Dean Coral. Yeah, and it's possible

752
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: that Wayne was supposed to be a potential victim. But

753
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: for some reason they became friends and Wayne Henley became

754
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: another accomplice. Wayne Henley said about him, we hit it off.

755
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: He was a smart, clean cut, nicely dressed man. He

756
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: listened to me, he explained things to me. I'll be

757
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: honest with you. It was important that Dean liked me.

758
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: He was kind. Wow. I know.

759
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: Which then explains is it, David Brooks? Yeah, yeah, explains

760
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: his participation thing. Yeah, the value of just being there

761
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: and like not being parental, being like the uncle cool uncle.

762
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, or just trying to like pay attention a little bit. Yeah.

763
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: I feel like parents are getting that no ye nowadays,

764
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: like in spades. Yeah, But in the seventies, it was

765
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: just like your parents were the people that came home

766
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: and you ate meals and they yelled at you.

767
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was like they was also in a

768
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: lower class neighborhood, so it was probably both parents were working,

769
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: so they didn't have time to fucking deal with your shit.

770
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: And yeah, and you are maybe you were a bad kid,

771
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: let's say, and they didn't Yeah, yeah, you were just

772
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: one more headache.

773
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's how it it.

774
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: Is for some people. It was for a lot of

775
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 1: people back then. Yeah, for sure. They hit it off,

776
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: and when he found out Henley didn't about the murders,

777
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: Henley didn't go to the police, even when Coral told

778
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: him that he had been the person who abducted and

779
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: killed David Hildegeist, his childhood friend. Coral pushed Henley to

780
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: bring him another boy, and he picked Frank a Guire,

781
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: a good friend of his, which is so fucking insane.

782
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: But I think that speaks to the level of psychopath

783
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: that Dean Coral was because they're like the greatest like

784
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 2: traveling salesman you've ever met, That's what they're like.

785
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: Like that to me is so dark. I mean it's

786
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: fucking crazy, awful obviously, but like to bring a friend

787
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: to know that he's going to get at least he's

788
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: going to get raped. But I mean, I think that

789
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: the the pitch is on Dean Coral's.

790
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: Side is like I will like you even more, you

791
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: will get even more for me, even better, like.

792
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: Sho mean it, yeah, most like show me how much

793
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: maybe involved in this?

794
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: I mean, whatever psychopaths do to get you to hypnotize

795
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: you into doing what they want.

796
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: This guy was good at yeah, very good I mean

797
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: it's insane. Yeah, okay, so they bring him. Okay, they

798
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: play the game which we fucking have heard again, again

799
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: and again, the handcuff, handcuff game, the good old handcuff game,

800
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: the one where Henley and Brooks put on the pair

801
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: of handcuffs behind their back. They have a secret key

802
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: and they're like, see their trick, handcuffs. You try it,

803
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: and then he tries it. Nope, and he's he's stuck.

804
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: You can just picture it. It breaks my fucking heart.

805
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: If you are ever in a scenario age anything up

806
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: till any at any point in your life. Let's say

807
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: there's no age limit on this game and someone says,

808
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 2: let's play the handcuff game, immediately walk out of the

809
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: room and call the police.

810
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah why why else?

811
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: Because at the very least they're a magician, so you

812
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: should call the police anyway.

813
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: But there's almost nothing good comes out of the hand

814
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 1: n Don't don't be alone in a room with a man, ever,

815
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: unless it's your boyfriend or something. Don't be alone in

816
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: a room with a man, a strange especially a strange man,

817
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: especially if there's handcuffs. It's three times underlined. If there's

818
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: hand do you think I'd ever let anyone but like

819
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: Vince and Stephen in this house if I were alone, No,

820
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: I would. If someone knocked, I would tiptoe to the door.

821
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: I would peek out the thing, and I'd be like,

822
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 1: hell fucking no.

823
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: Now, what if you had the handcuffs? What if the

824
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: power was in your hands?

825
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would just like handcuff him and

826
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: paint his nails, because I'm not a psychopa.

827
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: The idea that anyone wants to handcuff anybody is something

828
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: that is about to happen.

829
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: That's not a game.

830
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: Let's look for our context clues of bad things happening.

831
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: Even if they want to do the fucking Chinese finger trap. Still,

832
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: let's two fingers. You don't have Nope that shit and

833
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: get the fuck out of there. Bye. I hate this

834
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: birthday party, mom. Goodbye. When you're leaving your mom alone

835
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: with him, now, put a dick. Kids are such assholes. Okay,

836
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,959
Speaker 1: so they play the handcuff game. When a guire puts

837
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: on the handcuffs, Coral drags the teenager into the bedroom and,

838
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: according to Henley quote, had his fun with him. Can

839
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: I just tell you I've been studying this one. I

840
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to do it this week, and

841
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: I had two days to do it, and I'm like, no,

842
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: you're not. This is too much. And I so I've

843
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: been doing it for three weeks and having fucking nightmares.

844
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: I bet like, I'm really glad to get this fucking

845
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 2: over with this one and the Toy Box Killer are like, yeah,

846
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 2: I don't. I stopped listening to the toy Box Killer

847
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: on last podcast life.

848
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: I can't do that. There's nothing they have, the recordings

849
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: of it. I fact that there's recordings of him. Just no,

850
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: just don't you guys, if you're sensitive, don't read the

851
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: Toy Box Killing about it the worst.

852
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: It's pure demonic distrition. Nothing, there's nothing interesting about it.

853
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: And it's a person who can destroy people and does

854
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: very slowly.

855
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: It's horrible. Yeah. So in late seventy two, they brought

856
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: seventeen year old Billy balk who used to sell Dean

857
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: Coral's candy door to door, and his sixteen year old

858
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: friend Johnny Delone. Fourteen months later, Coral, Henley and Brooks

859
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: grabbed Billy's younger brother, Michael, who was on his way

860
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: to get a haircut. How's fucking sad is that this

861
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: parent lot the parents lost. First the first kid goes missing.

862
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: Then they grabbed his little brother and he goes missing,

863
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: and the parents know something is wrong. And in a

864
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: lot of the documentaries they're like they thought they were

865
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: runaways or like they were poor and they didn't care

866
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: at that point if they were runaways, which from what

867
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: I read and what I can tell, it's not true.

868
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: His parents knew something was wrong. Yeah, So they captured

869
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: and killed a twenty year old father who had been

870
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: living in the heights and was hitchhiking. They snatched Homer Garcia,

871
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: boy from southwest Houston who was going to driver's ed

872
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: with Fucking Henley, and then two boys who had just

873
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: moved into apartment across the street from Henley's house. Then

874
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: it was fifteen year old Billy Lawrence was and he

875
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: was forced to write a letter to his father saying, Daddy,

876
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: I hope you know. At the end he's saying, I'm

877
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: going to go away for a little while. I got

878
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: this job. I'll be back in town, and then he

879
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: wrote at the end, Daddy, I hope you know. I

880
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: love you, your son, Billy. He was kept alive for

881
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: three days on the Plywood because Henry later said Coral

882
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: Quote really liked him. Next was Rusty Branch and in

883
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: a total, So in total, twenty eight boys from the

884
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 1: Houston area disappeared in a three fucking year span. Twenty

885
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: eight boys aging from nine to twenty one eleven went

886
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: missing from the same junior high school. Eleven teenage boys

887
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: not teenage thirteen, fourteen year old boys, twelve year old

888
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: boys from the same junior high school. Red fucking flag, Principal,

889
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: whatever your name.

890
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 2: Is, where is anybody doing anything? Principal, Dave fucking call

891
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: the police.

892
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: And at least twenty of them had been residents of

893
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: either the heights or adjoining neighborhoods. Many parents of the

894
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: boys had desperate searches for their kids. Some took out

895
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: so there were people who took out a loan to

896
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: hire a private detective, offered and remember these are people

897
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: who don't have money, offered a large reward, called the

898
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: police constantly, They employed multiple psychics, and the end police

899
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: were even aware that anything was amiss. Of course, they

900
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: did the fucking they're all runaways. Twenty eight boys in

901
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: three years, and they're all runaways. So it was the norm,

902
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: though in the seventies, especially kids who came from the

903
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: heights who police just wouldn't even look into it. Okay

904
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: about the police, I don't want to blame them and

905
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: dismiss them as being shitty at their jobs, because there

906
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: was a lot going on at the time, which made

907
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: it a perfect hunting ground for quarrel. Houston's crazy domineering

908
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: police chief Herman Short. He believed, in an old school

909
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: way of law enforcement, Houston was exploding a population. There

910
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: was a fucking ton of money, so there were really

911
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: rich people there and that's who they really cared or

912
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: he really cared about. They had an understaffed police force

913
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy. They had half the minimum to police

914
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: the population. Whoa, and this is in places where there's

915
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: a lot of crime going on, and they underpaid the cops.

916
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: Federal funds were available, but Short refused any federal assistants,

917
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: calling it a handout. Oh no, no, don't know. He's

918
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: like the wild Sock and West get out of here.

919
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: The workload was so crazy that many cops just gave

920
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: up and they played a game of who could leave

921
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: work the earliest. So parents who had lost their sons

922
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: on one side of the heights, had no idea that

923
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: their parents on the other side of the heights, so

924
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: it also lost suns, so there was it was just

925
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: a disorganized, insane, hopeless, hopeless thought of being a parent

926
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: and not being I've always thought about that with the

927
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: Runaway thing, where it's like you know your kid better

928
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: than anyone, there's something wrong.

929
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: Also just that the idea that they're essentially what it

930
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: sounds like is there was almost no police force for them, right,

931
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: which is horrifying talk about this is an amazing Fincher.

932
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: Here's your next movie, dude, because it's The Candy Man,

933
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: which in and of itself is a huge horrifying story.

934
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: Like the fact the name is like spot on, it's

935
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: one of those like classics. Yeah. But then on top

936
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: of that, he's so he's clearly so smart. Yes, Dean

937
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: Coral is so smart. And the opportunity he got lucky,

938
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: he got lucky.

939
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: That it was that period of time and then he

940
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 2: was this master manipulator. But that part I remember when

941
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: Marcus was talking about that part in their thing and

942
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: the details they gave about all those things.

943
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: It's mind blowing where.

944
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 2: It's like there's always you know, it's like the same

945
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 2: thing happened in the late seventies in La. In La

946
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: in the late seventies, there was four serial killers working

947
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 2: at one time Jesus Christ, and it was the same

948
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: thing of the cops didn't talk. They were all competing

949
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: with each other, so they wouldn't do cross county communication.

950
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: They wouldn't do well. They didn't have a lot of

951
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: ways of even if they wanted to. There was no Internet.

952
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: You couldn't call and be like, do you have someone

953
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: who was strangled? And it's like there's tons of other

954
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: things going on at the same time. There's all kinds of.

955
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: Stuff, and it's all, yeah, everything's like write a letter. Oh,

956
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 2: you want to find out if something happened in the valley,

957
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: write a letter. Right.

958
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: So, the one thing that Chief Short did do in

959
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: an attempt to make sure the crimes didn't happen after

960
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: they found out about it, was order as officers to

961
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: raid the city's gay bars.

962
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: Problems solve, problems solve Okay, good job, good job.

963
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: Okay. Let's go back to the beginning of the story.

964
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy three, Wayne Henley leads skeptical police to the

965
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: boat shed that Dean coral rented. They start to dig

966
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: with the help of fucking inmates, and they found the

967
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: first body in a matter of minutes, then two more,

968
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: then another six underneath them stacked up. Henley also led

969
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: authorities to a location near a wooded area near sam

970
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: Rayburn Reservoir, where four bodies were uncovered. The day after

971
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: Henley's arrest, David Brooks turns himself in to the police.

972
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: Henley hadn't even mentioned him. He didn't run them out,

973
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: I know. And together they led police to a location

974
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: on the on High Island. It's like there's like a

975
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: scenes of them digging in at a beach. It's crazy,

976
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: but like people camping and there's fucking bodies. So they

977
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: found six more bodies at High Island, and within a

978
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: week the remains of twenty seven young males had been found.

979
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: A week after the first bodies are found, despite a

980
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: few thousand missing persons reports having come in from nineteen

981
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: sixty eight to nineteen seventies, the authorities they call out

982
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: the excavations, despite the fact that even Henley and Brooks

983
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: told them they knew where other bodies could be located.

984
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: They just decided that's enough. Well, I think they didn't

985
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: want the death toll to get higher because it looks

986
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: so bad. Yeah. Oh, I think that they were like

987
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: already under so much scrutiny by the media that they stopped.

988
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 2: Can I just say this to people, if you're ever

989
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 2: in this situation where you're in charge of something that's

990
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: going to total shit, the only thing you can do

991
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 2: at a certain point is let the truth come out. Yeah,

992
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 2: because you pretended like that idea is so to me

993
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: such a like male in his sixties.

994
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm in charge of this. Watch listen to me, everybody.

995
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: It's a narcissistic in a way that I can't put

996
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: myself in those parents' shoes that they might want to

997
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: find Like, I don't understand what anyone else is.

998
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: He's prioritizing what looks like for him as opposed to

999
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 2: what it feels like.

1000
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: That's say, the victim. He probably can't even begin to

1001
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: comprehend other people's emotions.

1002
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: Well, so he's in a situation that he's not trained for,

1003
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: he's never even thought could happen.

1004
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: But the he's screwed screwed up from the get go.

1005
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and but the when you're at that point, let

1006
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: it all come out. Because you have to think of

1007
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: like long term, how it looks, and also what your

1008
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: actual job is.

1009
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: Your job is to protect people.

1010
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: You can't now pretend like you protected anybody because that's off.

1011
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: The boards entirely. Yeah, why am I talking about this.

1012
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: I'm not giving advice to this fucking sheriff.

1013
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: From forty years ago. But it bums me out because.

1014
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 2: I know you watch people make these decisions where it's like, Okay,

1015
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: well now I'm just gonna scramble to cover my own ass.

1016
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: It drives me crazy. Yeah, where it's like it's that

1017
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: part's over. Yeah, I think, like my therapist will always say,

1018
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: when I get these calamity things in my head of

1019
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: everything's gonna fall apart, She's like, Okay, what can they

1020
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: not take away from you? And it's like they can't

1021
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 1: take away Vince, they can't waken my cats, they can't

1022
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: take my family. I'm healthy. Still, It's like it's gonna

1023
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: suck and you're gonna look like a piece of shit,

1024
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be okay in the long run. Don't

1025
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: add to it. Don't fucking add to it by lying.

1026
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: Don't lie.

1027
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: Don't lie, because here's the other thing too, it's a

1028
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: thing where you can you can lie obviously, and in

1029
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 2: the moment you're gonna think that that's a good thing.

1030
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: And you're out of it.

1031
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: Yep, you're tripling down on how bad you look when

1032
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: you tell a lie. Because here's the thing, and I

1033
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 2: just this is a recommendation lying in general. As a great,

1034
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: huge liar all my life, you always get caught and

1035
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 2: it's humiliating and you look ten times worth worse than

1036
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 2: you actually are because you think there's a side there,

1037
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: you think there's a shortcut, you think you can get

1038
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 2: out of it by just saying something. Please just know

1039
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: there's always someone around who knows the truth and knows.

1040
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,479
Speaker 1: You're lying, and you're doubling down. You're absolutely right, because

1041
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: then you can't come back and be like, Okay, this

1042
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: is what actually happened. It's like but you also lie

1043
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: about it, right, so you're even a bigger piece of shit.

1044
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: You're just making everything worse. Like the best thing And

1045
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: this was like.

1046
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: Training from from high stress TV Daily tea production where

1047
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 2: it's just come clean immediately and start fixing it. Yeah,

1048
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: that's the only thing that was ever solution. You never

1049
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: got in trouble for fucking up as long as you

1050
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 2: were in the solution.

1051
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1052
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: But when you lie and you go like, oh, someone

1053
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: else told me, well, then you're delaying the fix. Yeah,

1054
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 2: and delaying the fix is really the worst sin of

1055
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: all because line is just that's just for your ego.

1056
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you have to fix it. Yeah. Fuck the seventies,

1057
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: the seventies stop lying. The eighties need to go to prison.

1058
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: The seventies need to stop lying. The nineties. I'm not

1059
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: ready to talk about it. We'll go there. We can't

1060
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: give you all our advice in one episode, or you'll

1061
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: never listen again. Listen, we have a lot more fucking

1062
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: look advice. Look and listen to our advice and take

1063
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: it right. Okay, there's time travel. Okay, So Henley and

1064
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: Brooks get life sentences. You're still alive. Go back. In

1065
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: this nineteen seventy three Houston mass murders video on YouTube,

1066
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: they are the cameras are rolling while they're excavating bodies,

1067
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: and Henley is talking. Henley is telling reporters what happened.

1068
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 1: He couldn't stop talking. It's I bet it's pretty incredible.

1069
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: There's a part where he calls his mom, Mama, I

1070
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: killed Dean. There's a part of him on the phone

1071
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: with his mom as like cameras are reporting Jesus Christ. Yeah.

1072
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 2: Well, also because I bet you those kids were in

1073
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 2: complete trauma mode.

1074
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: They were like in shock. Yeah they're over. I mean, yeah,

1075
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: it's over. It's crazy, okay. In twenty twelve, a polaroid

1076
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: of a young boy handcuffed and screaming I've seen it. No, fine,

1077
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: don't look at those I have to, don't. I mean,

1078
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: I have to.

1079
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: It's my fucking psyche, Okay, but just don't do that

1080
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: damage to yours.

1081
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: I've been nightmaring. Yeah. Of course it turns up in

1082
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: some of Henley's possessions, and when presented with the photo,

1083
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: Henley said he didn't wreckon ignized the boy, which, if

1084
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: it's true, it means there's at least one other victim,

1085
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: a twenty ninth that's yet to be identified. It's also

1086
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: a guess that there could have been past accomplices who

1087
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: became victims themselves. That would make sense, just as Henley

1088
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: might have as well, and based on his skill and

1089
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: mo of the first killing, it's very doubtful that was

1090
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: actually his first. The kid who is hitchhiking, Yeah, and

1091
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: I completely believe it. There's no way. A reporter named

1092
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: Barbara Grips Gibson and doctor Sharon Derek, a forensic anthropologist

1093
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: with the Medical Examiner's Office in Houston, now are working

1094
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 1: to identify the three victims that have yet to be named.

1095
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: These women are fucking awesome. And then to end it,

1096
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: I just wanted to quote Willie Glass, the brother of

1097
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: Jimmy Glass who disappeared or who was killed, said, Dean

1098
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: Coral didn't just kill twenty seven boys, he killed twenty

1099
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: seven families. And that's my story. Wow, of the Canyonman

1100
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: Dean and Coral. Now amazing. I don't ever want to

1101
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 1: think about it again. Yeah, yeah, until David Fincher the

1102
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: movie The Finch. Oh god, yeah, that would be. That

1103
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:08,479
Speaker 1: was great.

1104
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's that's the best case scenario you

1105
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: can do of. There's some details in that in that

1106
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: digging poh. Yeah, that will be with me forever. Yeah,

1107
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: it's I definitely.

1108
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean there's some genital mutilation that I didn't talk about.

1109
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: There's some fucking torture or torture stuff that I just

1110
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: can't And also you know what it is if you've

1111
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: seen one thing.

1112
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 2: If you've accidentally read or seen something that's about this,

1113
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: that's what it is.

1114
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: You know what it is. You don't need more of it.

1115
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I understand the thing of like your

1116
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 2: curiosity gets the best of you. But I think I

1117
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: stopped doing that a little while ago, only because it

1118
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 2: becomes all the same and then you're just basically doing

1119
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 2: specifics of faces or hair colors or whatever.

1120
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: But it's the same horrible scenario. Yeah, I mean, I

1121
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: just you know, I do the thing where I keep

1122
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: going back to that polaroid they found and I look

1123
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: deep into this kid's eyes to see if I can

1124
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: what I can suss out of it, you know what

1125
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: I mean, And like he looks like he's in a box.

1126
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: It's a blurry photo and you can see like there's

1127
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: a toolbox next to him. And I just try. I

1128
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: keep putting myself in his shoes, and I can't do that.

1129
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: Like it's well, there's no like I have point. I mean,

1130
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: what to what value? To what end?

1131
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: It's just being empathetic of the stories that I'm empathetic

1132
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 2: and know nothing about it. I'm empathetic and all I

1133
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 2: did was listen to what you told me. Yeah, I

1134
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 2: mean it's horrifying, but that's also you know, everybody has

1135
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 2: different experiences with actually looking at the things. Yeah, just

1136
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 2: don't get confused about what you know, what I.

1137
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 1: Mean, Yeah, what I need to do?

1138
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: Do what's good for you? Yeah, nightmares aren't good for you. Yeah,

1139
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: that's not the point.

1140
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1141
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: Oh the candy man. Oh, the candy man. Everyone will

1142
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: suffer under the candy man.

1143
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: Okay, we're back. Are there updates for this case? Yes,

1144
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: so there are. In twenty twenty, David Brooks died in

1145
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: prison of COVID nineteen and then Elmer Henley has been

1146
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: denied paroles several times over the years, most recently in

1147
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: November twenty twenty five. His next Pearl hearing will be

1148
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: in twenty thirty five. But a couple things to look

1149
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: out for. In twenty twenty five, journalists Lise Olsen's book

1150
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: The Scientist and the serial Killer The Search for Houston's

1151
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: Lost Boys was published. That was centers around doctor Sharon

1152
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: Derek's effort to identify Quarrel's victims. And then also there

1153
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: is a documentary based on a book called The serial

1154
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: Killer's Apprentice that I started reading. You can stream that

1155
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: on like HBO Max I believe. And it's written by

1156
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: Catherine Ramsland and Tracy Alman, and that is just I mean, yeah,

1157
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: it's about Elmer Wayne Henley, you know, being groomed to

1158
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: become this killer and did what did it mean? And

1159
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: what you know, what level of responsibility does he have?

1160
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: You know, which obviously some.

1161
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 2: Right well, and all the other questions that they My

1162
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: dad brought this case up to me the last time

1163
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 2: I really at home, yes, and I was like, and

1164
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: he was bringing up all the things that you say,

1165
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 2: where it's like, how could that go on so long?

1166
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: How could no one know? How could he get that

1167
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 2: kind of like brainwashy control over a person? Is it

1168
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: because he was like on drugs? It was that weird

1169
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: time of the seventies. There's just so much to dig

1170
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: into about this case that's so extreme and so horrific.

1171
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, The Serial Killer's Apprentice, I recommend it. It's just

1172
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: continues to boggle our minds. Yeah, all right, Well let's

1173
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: get into Karen's story about a classic LA story, the

1174
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: Silent movie Theater murders. Well, mine is.

1175
00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 2: This is actually it's not firsthand, I guess it's kind

1176
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 2: of secondhand, but I wanted to do this one for

1177
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 2: a while. I just didn't know any details, and I

1178
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: when I would look it up, it was always very vague.

1179
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: There wasn't enough story.

1180
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: And then one of the shows that is on my

1181
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 2: DVR that comes up every couple of times every once

1182
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 2: a month. Maybe it's a show called Demons in the

1183
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 2: City of Angels.

1184
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: Have you heard of it?

1185
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 2: No? Okay, So that's where when I did the publicist

1186
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 2: that got Mad. It was from that. That's when I

1187
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 2: first saw that story and I was like, oh, I

1188
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: remember that. Well, this one is the story I.

1189
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: Wanted to do.

1190
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 2: And it came up one day where I was like,

1191
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 2: oh my god, and it's the murder at the Silent

1192
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 2: Movie Theater.

1193
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: Oh remember this? Yeah?

1194
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: Okay, so I ask Demons in the City of Angels

1195
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 2: narrated by an incredibly intense man named aj Benza, who

1196
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: I believe himself was a crime reporter or I don't.

1197
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what. I don't know that much about him,

1198
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: but I think he has a true crime background. But

1199
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 2: now he's hosted lots of shows. I've seen him on

1200
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 2: other things, but now he narrates this show and it's.

1201
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: All crimes that happen in la I love that. I

1202
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: need to watch it. It's pretty good.

1203
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 2: But this one I was just so happy because it's

1204
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 2: the detailed version.

1205
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: Of this story.

1206
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 2: So it's nineteen ninety seven Los Angeles. I moved here

1207
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four. When did you move here? Ninety

1208
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 2: eight ninety eight, So this was kind of like one

1209
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 2: of the first big bad I mean, I moved here

1210
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 2: the year of the earthquake and OJ and riots, riots,

1211
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: all that stuff happened right around the same time as

1212
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 2: when I moved here, So this was kind of the.

1213
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: Next big one.

1214
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this there's a Silent Movie theater on Fairfax

1215
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 2: at Melrose, just below Melrose.

1216
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: I think it's like two blocks below right now.

1217
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 2: It's in flux because it is it was bought by

1218
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 2: a company called Sina Family that was doing these amazing

1219
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: Their calendar was incredible. I am a member, I know

1220
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 2: tons of people who are members, and they would show

1221
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 2: amazing either new movies or you know, directors, whole weekends

1222
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 2: of director's films, all this stuff.

1223
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: It was this It was really a fun creative place.

1224
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 2: And then and then they very recently, I think it

1225
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 2: was like three months ago. I got an email saying

1226
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 2: all films, all like of all of our plans are

1227
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 2: suspended right now because these huge sexual harassment like accusations

1228
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 2: came down the pike, and they're like, until we know

1229
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 2: what's going on, we're not doing anything.

1230
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: Anymore with the with the heads of Sinep family, yeah,

1231
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: the people who are running it.

1232
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 2: So I don't know details about any of those things,

1233
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 2: and that's not what my story is about.

1234
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: But it's a.

1235
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: Bummer because this movie Theater has had issues since. I mean,

1236
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 2: like I'm very interested in interested to know what was

1237
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 2: there before, because it's never not had bad vibes. It's

1238
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 2: like something's going on, because there's never not something some issue.

1239
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 2: So we'll go to This is the night January seventeenth,

1240
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, and this is the anniversary of the

1241
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 2: sixth year of the reopening of the Silent Movie Theater.

1242
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: So I think before this.

1243
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: The Movie Theater had been built by Dorothy and John Hampton.

1244
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 2: They bought an empty lot there on Fairfax and they

1245
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 2: built the theater from the ground up. And so this

1246
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 2: guy Larry Austen got a job at the theater when

1247
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 2: he's nineteen years old old. He was a local kid

1248
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 2: he grew up in the Fairfax District, but he was

1249
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 2: gay and in his teens his father rejected him. His

1250
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 2: father basically kicked him out of the house and he

1251
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 2: the Hamptons basically took him in like family. So he

1252
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 2: started working at the Silent Movie Theater in its original

1253
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:11,919
Speaker 2: form when he was nineteen years old.

1254
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: Would that be yeah?

1255
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 2: And he was super into as many people when you

1256
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 2: live in Los Angeles, there are a lot of people.

1257
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 2: It's all about kind of who you know and how

1258
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 2: connected you are to the movie business or TV.

1259
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: But movies are a little fancier.

1260
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 2: And this I think Larry always wanted to be in

1261
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 2: show business in some way, and working at the Silent

1262
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: Movie Theater he was you know, he did everything for

1263
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 2: this family from when he was nineteen. He was with

1264
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 2: the Hamptons for thirty seven years, oh shit, So he

1265
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 2: really was like a son of theirs until the theater

1266
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 2: closed in nineteen seventy nine. And it was basically it

1267
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 2: was just kind of a place where people who cared

1268
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 2: about film and you know, movie buffs and stuff would

1269
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 2: go to watch silent films. But it wasn't like doing

1270
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: a great business or whatever. So they ended up having

1271
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 2: to close. And then in May of nineteen ninety, John

1272
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 2: Hampton died and after he died, Dorothy Hampton was really depressed,

1273
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 2: and Larry Austen convinced her to reopen the theater. He

1274
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 2: thought that would be the perfect thing for her, and

1275
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 2: she agreed, and so they decide that they're going to

1276
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 2: go in.

1277
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: They the move.

1278
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 2: The theater was basically kind of left just standing for

1279
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 2: ten years with nothing going on in it, so they

1280
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 2: have to hire a contractor to come in and basically

1281
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 2: help them rebuild the theater so they can reopen. And

1282
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 2: the contractor is a guy named James Van Sickle. And

1283
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 2: as they work on the theater and slowly rebuild it,

1284
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 2: Larry Austin, who at this point is I think he

1285
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 2: is in his early sixties, and Van Sickle, who is

1286
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 2: in his late thirties, start having an affair.

1287
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: The contractor and the guy who was family basically like

1288
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: a son.

1289
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 2: Yes, got it exactly, Okay, the guy whose idea was

1290
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 2: to reopen and with the widow Dorothy Hampton, and so

1291
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,959
Speaker 2: they basically put all of their work and Larry lives

1292
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 2: in the apartment above the movie theater.

1293
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: Cool. I didn't even know there was one. I know,

1294
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: how awesome, don't you love that idea?

1295
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 2: Yes, Like, when you go into the theater, the popcorn

1296
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 2: stand is on the writing. There's a set of stairs

1297
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 2: that's over there too, and I think that goes up

1298
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 2: to the projection.

1299
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: Booth, but I like to picture that that also.

1300
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 2: Then you walk past the projecting booth, then there's like

1301
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 2: a little gingham a cot and a kitchen table. I

1302
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 2: love it, but I don't really know because I haven't

1303
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 2: been up there. But that's what that's how it is

1304
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 2: in my mind. Okay. So so basically on the night

1305
01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 2: of the reopening, I'm sorry. So six years after the reopening,

1306
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: so they reopen it. Everything goes great, Dorothy is thrilled,

1307
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 2: and basically they're back in business. But eventually Dorothy has

1308
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 2: to get moved into an old folks home. Anyway, So

1309
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 2: on the sixth anniversary of the reopening of the Silent

1310
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 2: Movie Theater, Larry decides he's going to play the first

1311
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 2: movie that played there when it originally opened, which is

1312
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 2: the movie Sunrise. But there's also a bunch of short

1313
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 2: films that he's playing, and it's kind of just like

1314
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,439
Speaker 2: a big, you know, celebration of the Silent Movie Theater.

1315
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 2: So this is January seventeenth, nineteen ninety seven, if I

1316
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 2: haven't already said that seventeen times. Okay, So that night

1317
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 2: there's like sixty people in the theater, which is packed

1318
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 2: for that. If you picture sixty people, that's like fucking

1319
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 2: wall to wall half an hour into the program.

1320
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: And also Larry when they.

1321
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 2: Reopened it, and I don't know if he did this before,

1322
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 2: but he definitely did it on the reopening in nineteen

1323
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 2: ninety He used to go up and introduce every night,

1324
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 2: every movie, everything in a tuxedo.

1325
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: Oh I love him.

1326
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this was like his really his life, and people,

1327
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 2: really famous people used to go.

1328
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: To that theater to watch movies.

1329
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 2: It was kind of like, you know, it was like

1330
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 2: a very hipster thing, like I'm into movies.

1331
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: I'm in the fucking Silence Movies. I know the owner,

1332
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,759
Speaker 1: he's so cool whatever or whatever exactly.

1333
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 2: So Larry goes up and he's like, tonight it's a

1334
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: Buster Cayton feature or whatever, and he like, basically, if

1335
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 2: you don't know that much about Silent Film, you were

1336
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 2: still introduced and kind of brought into that world in

1337
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 2: this really lovely way.

1338
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: And he was like he made them special. Yeah, you're

1339
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: not just going to see a movie. It's a production, yes,

1340
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 1: and it's like old Hollywood. Yeah. And that was Texedo

1341
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: is like the Crowning Glory. Yeah, sor of thing.

1342
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 2: He's like a nightly He had a job where he

1343
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 2: got to wear a texedo every night.

1344
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: Totally he was into it.

1345
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 2: And just you know, after they redid the whole theater,

1346
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 2: Larry Austin kept James Vansickle on as his projectionist. So

1347
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 2: Van Sickle was interested in films, I think, or at

1348
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: least new enough to become the projectionist. But basically this

1349
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,560
Speaker 2: they this relationship grew up out of them rebuilding this

1350
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 2: silent movie theater.

1351
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: And Larry Austin's friend said he was over the moon.

1352
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 2: I mean he fen gets this hot, young, beefy contratractor

1353
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 2: and they're working on his the love of his life,

1354
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 2: this project, you know that he's worked on all of

1355
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 2: his life.

1356
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: He they said, he was so thrilled.

1357
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 2: There's a friend of his is in the Demons in

1358
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 2: the City of Angels where he just says like he

1359
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 2: would look at him like when he talked, like he

1360
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 2: hung the moon. I mean, he was just completely in

1361
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 2: love and they lived in the little apartment together over

1362
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 2: the movie theater.

1363
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: And that's in right, and that's all I have to

1364
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: tell you about. Get two Children from and.

1365
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 2: Wait really quick, Yeah, something terrible happens.

1366
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 1: So on the night of the scene, let's just say

1367
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: it straight. It's like me with the story.

1368
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 2: Don't tell me, don't tell me about don't tell me

1369
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 2: about the crime scene photos. On the night of the

1370
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: six year anniversary, Larry goes up, tonight, we're going to

1371
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 2: watch Sunrise and then all these other short films, and da,

1372
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 2: da da. He goes back out into the lobby, into

1373
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 2: the ticket booth, and about half an hour into the program,

1374
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 2: a guy gets up and comes out and says he

1375
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 2: wants to buy.

1376
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:19,799
Speaker 1: Tickets for a future showing.

1377
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 2: There's a girl named Mary Giles, I think her last

1378
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 2: name is pronounced Giles or Giles, and she's nineteen years old.

1379
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 2: She works at the concession stand and she's like, oh,

1380
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,959
Speaker 2: you need to talk to Larry about buying future tickets.

1381
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 2: And when the door opens to that ticket booth that's

1382
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: in the front of the theater, the guy pulls a gun,

1383
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 2: a three fifty seven magnum, out of his pocket and

1384
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 2: tells Larry he wants all the money from the ticket.

1385
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: Booth, so Larry gives him all the money.

1386
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 2: He pulls everything out of the cash register and gives

1387
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 2: it to him and comes out of the booth and

1388
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 2: with Mary. He hands the money over and the guy

1389
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 2: with the gun takes the money, drops it and shoots

1390
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 2: Larry in the face, in the fucking face.

1391
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: He shot him once in the face.

1392
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 2: Larry goes down, and then he turns and shoots him like,

1393
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 2: I think, three more times, Oh my god, just like.

1394
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: To make sure he's dead. No. Then he turns to

1395
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: Mary Giles and shoots her twice in the chest. She's

1396
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: just a fucking girl working at the just a girl

1397
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,560
Speaker 1: working at the movie theater. I know that. Yeah, the

1398
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 1: way I pictured it in my head all the time

1399
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 1: is like so much different than it actually that it

1400
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 1: happened in the theater. Well because also, and I didn't

1401
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 1: know this until the first time I went to the

1402
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: Silent Movie theater. It's fucking tiny, yeah, there is. No,

1403
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: it's not like you know, your fucking IMAX theater. It's

1404
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: a tiny little space, yeah, a tiny office in the front. Yeah,

1405
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 1: so this is all close quarters.

1406
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 2: Yes, it's very close quarters, like it feels almost New

1407
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 2: York style of course, yes quarters.

1408
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: It's a mini like art house movie theater.

1409
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you're there, like, that's where I went

1410
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 2: to go see Zodiac when they redid it, and it was.

1411
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,759
Speaker 1: Perfect because you could see it perfectly.

1412
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 2: There was no bad seats and the place was packed,

1413
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 2: so it was like everyone was excited to see that one.

1414
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 1: It's like a small town movie theater reminds me of,

1415
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: which is like one screen that's it. Yeah. Anyways, he

1416
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: shoots Mary, He fucking shoots Mary, also, honey.

1417
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 2: And then runs out through the movie theater so he

1418
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 2: has a front door he can run.

1419
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: Out and be right on fair fact, we do that.

1420
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 2: He ran through the movie theater, shot into the air

1421
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 2: while these people are watching the movie, and then runs

1422
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 2: out the back door where the patio is. Oh my gosh,

1423
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 2: So everyone in the theater witnesses this guy with his

1424
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 2: hood pulled up shooting into the air. Of course everyone

1425
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 2: freaks out. Ye, so you know, the police come. Mary

1426
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 2: gets taken to the hospital and she survives. Oh good

1427
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 2: too to the fucking chest and Mary SURVIVESO to the chest.

1428
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 2: Two to the chest, yes girl, Okay, so.

1429
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: Every interviewed in the in the episode, Okay.

1430
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 2: Everyone was so freaked out by this. I completely remember

1431
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 2: it happening. I remember everybody talking about it. And at

1432
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 2: the time, we have just started doing stand up comedy

1433
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 2: shows at Largo, which is five blocks down the street.

1434
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: That's so scary. Yes, so one of the first.

1435
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 2: So the guy that owns Largo, which is now a different,

1436
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 2: much larger location, is a guy named Mark Flanagan. He's

1437
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 2: the owner operator, and he's one of those He's an

1438
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 2: irishman from Belfast.

1439
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 1: He's full of shit. His eyes are dark brown.

1440
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 2: He's full of shit, and he is one of my

1441
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 2: favorite people on the planet. He's one of my closest friends.

1442
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 2: And he's the kind of person that starts to talk

1443
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 2: to you when you very first meet him, like you've

1444
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 2: already been.

1445
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: Talking for twenty minutes. I love it.

1446
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 2: It's my favorite. It's the kind of person that's just

1447
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,839
Speaker 2: like anyway. Yeah, And he's one of the first stories

1448
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 2: he ever told me a lot because after the shooting,

1449
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 2: they have just opened Largo at that location, which is

1450
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 2: now I think it's a bar called The Dimes, Yeah,

1451
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 2: something like that, you're probably, And now it's a very

1452
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 2: Hamster area doesn't look the same at all.

1453
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: They like gouted it.

1454
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 2: Oh really, they redid the whole thing. I think, Oh

1455
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 2: I haven't been in there.

1456
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 1: I could think that out.

1457
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: But they had just opened Largo and they were just

1458
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 2: starting to get like the music acts every night and stuff.

1459
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 2: And James Van Sickle came down and told flann again

1460
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 2: what happened, Like Larry got shot, he was.

1461
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: Murdered, and we don't know what's happening. The police are

1462
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 1: investigating it. The carpenter was telling him this, what's that

1463
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 1: The carpenter was the car planning.

1464
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 2: Exactly, Yeah, this planning and telling me, telling the story

1465
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 2: of the guy coming down.

1466
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: I don't know why I made him a carpenter, but

1467
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 1: well that's what a contractor is.

1468
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,879
Speaker 2: You can just do more than carpenter. So he basically

1469
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:45,440
Speaker 2: comes down and says, we want to have a memorial fundraiser.

1470
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 2: Is there any anything you can do to help? And

1471
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 2: Flanning's like, well, you can have it here. So they

1472
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 2: have a memorial fundraiser for Larry Austin and for the

1473
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 2: Silent Movie theater at Largo.

1474
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: Oh my god. In March of nineteen ninety seven, were

1475
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: you there? No? This was before just say ye we

1476
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: but remember the lies they get.

1477
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 2: Round of it, because then the seven people from Largo,

1478
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 2: like I was there, You weren't there, You absolutely weren't there.

1479
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 2: But he was like, well, of course this is these

1480
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,640
Speaker 2: our neighbors, and he want to be good people, and

1481
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:22,719
Speaker 2: we just open this business like we want to play

1482
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 2: ball or whatever. It was Flangin and John Bryan, the

1483
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 2: famed musician who also was kind of like had I

1484
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 2: don't think he was an owner, but he was like,

1485
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 2: you know, this was his home club and he and

1486
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 2: he of course wanted to help in any way.

1487
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 1: So I think part of the benefit.

1488
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 2: Was John played and they got other musicians to play,

1489
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 2: and they raised a bunch of money and gave it

1490
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 2: to the Silent Movie Theater in you know Larry Austin's name.

1491
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1492
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: Well, it turns out the same night that they have this,

1493
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 2: which was March twelfth of nineteen ninety seven, is the

1494
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 2: same night that the police begin to serve Veil James

1495
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 2: Van Sickle because he is the prime suspect in this murder,

1496
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 2: but he doesn't know it and nobody else knows it either.

1497
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 2: But as they were looking into after this crime and

1498
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 2: they start looking into who's.

1499
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: Involved in this.

1500
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 2: James Van Sickle is the one person named on Larry

1501
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 2: Austen's will of who the now what. Also nobody knew

1502
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 2: was the movie theater, the land and all of the

1503
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 2: films inside.

1504
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: The whole thing was worth over a million dollars. I

1505
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: bet that land, man, if you own that land? Oh yeah,

1506
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 1: in La in La, right on Fairfax. Yeah, so holy shit.

1507
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 2: They start looking into James Van Sickle's past and his

1508
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 2: like basically his record, and they find out he in

1509
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight was charged with attempted murder in a

1510
01:16:55,520 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 2: Compton case, but it was dismissed after the victim appears

1511
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 2: failed to appear in court, so.

1512
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 1: That just that just went away the victim.

1513
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty nine, he was sentenced to four years

1514
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 2: in Orange County for selling drugs, transporting and selling narcotics.

1515
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 2: He served half that time at Chino. And he also

1516
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 2: had a check fraud charges that were pending, so I

1517
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 2: guess they were still working on that. He had several aliases,

1518
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 2: he had multiple California driver's licenses.

1519
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 1: Wow, fraudster. Yeah.

1520
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 2: And in nineteen ninety six, so the year before, Larry

1521
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 2: Austin had filed a police report accusing Van Sickle of

1522
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 2: assault and battery, oh sorry, assault and robbery, but he

1523
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 2: ended up dropping the charges. So clearly this relationship was

1524
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 2: not as lovey dove as everyone thought. Yeah guilty, yeah,

1525
01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:00,919
Speaker 2: and there was some serious shit going on. A detective

1526
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 2: John Miller, who worked on the case, said that they

1527
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 2: then came to understand that they actually had a very

1528
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:10,759
Speaker 2: on and on again off again relationship and that was stormy,

1529
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 2: and that sometimes Van Sickle went and lived in Carson

1530
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:17,759
Speaker 2: when he was not living with Larry, so it wasn't

1531
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 2: full time like everybody kind of.

1532
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 1: Thought, can I stop having on again off again relationships? People?

1533
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 2: Just off again, just off if that's what you're going

1534
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 2: off the relationship.

1535
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: Okay, well, Vince and I offt again once and then

1536
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: on again again. Everybody, once you're allowed one time, sure,

1537
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: otherwise your heads are so sick of you talking about it.

1538
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,799
Speaker 2: If it's on again, off again, it just is. Everybody

1539
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 2: knows it's a dead in the water situation. You're just

1540
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 2: like you're needy. You just can't let it go. Okay,

1541
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 2: nice from Karen, And so there's so much don't listen.

1542
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: Uh well, but as they're looking into it.

1543
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 2: They also find that Larry Austin has a bit of

1544
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 2: a murky past himself. In nineteen eighty three, he was

1545
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 2: convicted of one count of grand theft as a result

1546
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 2: of an embezzlement case at a company that he worked for,

1547
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 2: and he actually served twenty two months in state prison.

1548
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:17,520
Speaker 2: And then also they start to look into his ownership

1549
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 2: of the theater because Dorothy Hampton, who owned it, the

1550
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 2: widow John Hampton, she being in the convalescent home. They

1551
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 2: didn't track any money going to her from the theater

1552
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,520
Speaker 2: even though she was the owner.

1553
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 1: So.

1554
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 2: They were afraid that they it looked like he had

1555
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 2: Dorothy Hampton's blessing in this reopening end basically in the

1556
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 2: ownership of it, but they didn't have any They didn't

1557
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 2: have any proof. She hadn't signed anything over to him

1558
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 2: that they could prove, So they ended up freezing the

1559
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,560
Speaker 2: irs and the lapd end up freezing.

1560
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: Larry Austin's assets and.

1561
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 2: Putting the theater in a conservatorship until they can figure

1562
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 2: out what's going on. Because it's not even like, oh,

1563
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 2: he was killed for the theater, because it might not

1564
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 2: have even been his to give to anybody. Definitely so

1565
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 2: it turns out there's a break in the case. They

1566
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 2: put a sketch in the newspaper of the guy that

1567
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 2: held up the place, and somebody sees that and comes

1568
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 2: forward to the police and tells the whole story, which

1569
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 2: is Van Sikel hired this guy who ended up doing

1570
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 2: the murder and his name was It turns out his

1571
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 2: name was Christian Rodriguez. He was also nineteen years old,

1572
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 2: and Van Sikel hired him, promised to pay him twenty

1573
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 2: five grand to kill Larry Austins.

1574
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 1: And make it look like a robbery.

1575
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 2: And that's why he also shot Mary Giles, because it

1576
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: was like, oh, what would a robber do in this case?

1577
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 1: So he just fucking took another person out for free.

1578
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 2: Well, Van Sickle said he was going to pay him

1579
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 2: an extra five grand to kill any basically, to make

1580
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 2: it look like a robbery and kill anyone else that

1581
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 2: was there.

1582
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: Oh that's horrible. I'm just so glad Mary survived. Yeah,

1583
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 1: it's insane, it's so insane, it's so fucking crazy, so hurtless.

1584
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 2: Well, and what it was was he found out he

1585
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 2: was named in Larry Austin's will as being the person

1586
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 2: that was going to inherit everything, so he would have,

1587
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 2: but he apparently was in such debt and in like

1588
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 2: such financial straits he wasn't going to Larry Austram was

1589
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 2: seventy four years old.

1590
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: At this time. Yeah, and he couldn't even wait to inherit. Yeah,

1591
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 1: he's like, I want all of it now, dude.

1592
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 2: He was the projectionist the night of the murder. He

1593
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 2: was there, He came downstairs. He was the one that

1594
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 2: hit the alarm that got the police there when he

1595
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 2: went downstairs and.

1596
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 1: Found Larry's is such a creepy detail.

1597
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 2: Yes, So he was there pretending to be all upset

1598
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 2: and freaked out. He told all the friends the stories,

1599
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 2: and all the friends were like, we thought he was

1600
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 2: like completely traumatized and that this was just as much

1601
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 2: of a thing against him.

1602
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 1: Perfect that he was there, you know, like it just

1603
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 1: seems like he's less. If he wasn't there, it'd be

1604
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 1: like what where was he?

1605
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,639
Speaker 2: But yeah, anyways, it's kind of more proof that he

1606
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 2: was like right there making sure it all went totally.

1607
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 2: So essentially he didn't pay afterwards. He didn't pay Christian

1608
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 2: the money.

1609
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 1: Uh uh, don't do that.

1610
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that's why that guy whoever the anonymous

1611
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,679
Speaker 2: person was that came forward was basically someone who knew

1612
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 2: Christian Rodriguez and was like, he was supposed to pay

1613
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 2: this money. He didn't do it, like you know, so

1614
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,520
Speaker 2: they when they go find Christian Rodriguez, of course, Rodriguez

1615
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 2: completely turns on totally James Van Sickle. So in April

1616
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 2: of nineteen ninety nine, Christian Rodriguez is found guilty of

1617
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 2: murder and sentenced to life without parole, and he was

1618
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 2: also convicted of the attempted murder of Mary Giles and

1619
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 2: Van Sickle was also sentenced to life without parole. Neither

1620
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 2: of them got the death penalty, and Mary Giles survived

1621
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 2: and testified against Christian Rodriguez in court. She's like, that's

1622
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 2: the man that shot me two times in the jest

1623
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 2: Jesus insanely. He's a fucking badass, insane. So when all

1624
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 2: that happens, like the cops come to Flanagin and they

1625
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 2: ended up. The cops talked to them, were like, are

1626
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 2: you in Onick because your friend yes. They the cops

1627
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 2: came almost immediately after the fundraiser because they're like, how

1628
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:47,759
Speaker 2: come you're given money to this guy?

1629
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, we're trying to be good neighbors.

1630
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:52,600
Speaker 2: They're immediately like looped in on it and have to

1631
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 2: basically go like, yeah, we don't know him.

1632
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 1: We just thought we'd be nice. Yeah. It does look

1633
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 1: like they're like, yeah, let's start a fundraise, let's get

1634
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 1: more money, or you or whatever kind of in on it.

1635
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: I mean, they had to prove they weren't they had

1636
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 2: nothing to do with it and didn't really know.

1637
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:06,799
Speaker 1: The guy, which is one of my favorite.

1638
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 2: Like when Flanning told me that story, I was crying

1639
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 2: laughing because he's like, we're like basically faking it and

1640
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:13,719
Speaker 2: trying to gee and.

1641
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 1: Like try like sure of course we care.

1642
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then immediately they're just like like, we just.

1643
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: Started this business. Yeah, and now we're under investigation yeah

1644
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,640
Speaker 1: for murder. Yeah, now we're in on it. I love it.

1645
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 2: One of the saddest things, and that the like final

1646
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 2: thing that I put at the end of this.

1647
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 1: Is in his court file there was.

1648
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 2: A forgery charge that James Van Sickle had that they

1649
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 2: had a letter from Larry Austin attached to it, UH

1650
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 2: that was attesting to James Van Sickle's good character trying

1651
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 2: to get him out of the forgery.

1652
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 1: Charge because he loved him, because he really did love him.

1653
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,799
Speaker 1: That's so sad. It's very sad. I want to see photos,

1654
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 1: love them. I'll look it up. Yeah you can't my photos, man,

1655
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 1: he loves my photos and imagination. Yeah. Wow, that's amazing

1656
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 1: because everyone knows that murder. It reminds me of the

1657
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:16,759
Speaker 1: Zankou Chicken murder, where it's like there's this like iconic

1658
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: place in la and it's like, here's this fucking insane

1659
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 1: story behind it.

1660
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 2: Yes, and there are people like there was a guy

1661
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 2: that was trying to make a documentary about Larry Austin

1662
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 2: because of it was that kind of those early days

1663
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 2: of like back when you know, Larry Austin would be

1664
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 2: like everyone would know who he is and you'd have

1665
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 2: a website these days, but back then it was like

1666
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 2: you had to be. That was back in the you know,

1667
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 2: I like them first days where everything was word of mouth.

1668
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 1: If you like something cool, because it was the person

1669
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 1: told you about secret underground thing, yeah that you had

1670
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 1: to stumble upon it know, about like comic bookshops and

1671
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 1: all these record stores and.

1672
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's this guy that was and this is

1673
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 2: in the episode of Demons and City Evangels. There's a

1674
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 2: guy that was trying to make a docum memory about

1675
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 2: Larry Austin for years and he was a big fan

1676
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 2: of the Silent Movie theater and he needs to go

1677
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 2: for this was before and he would be like, I

1678
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 2: just want to like follow you around and whatever. So

1679
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 2: this guy was there to attest because he had started

1680
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 2: this documentary and he was kind of there. He knew

1681
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 2: all the players, he knew everything that was going on.

1682
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 1: That's crazy, yes, yeah, And did he ever finish it?

1683
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 1: Because what a fucking crazy finish to it? I mean

1684
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1685
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, because now the finish is, oh, that

1686
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:34,599
Speaker 2: guy got murdered, So I don't think.

1687
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't think so probably not. Yeah, that's not what

1688
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 1: he wants. That's not the direction they wanted to go.

1689
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so horrifying. But I mean also if

1690
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 2: he did, that'd be kind of crazy. Could be like,

1691
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 2: guess what happened? Because to me, the creepiest time is

1692
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 2: after someone gets murdered and before anybody finds out who

1693
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:55,640
Speaker 2: did it, there's all these people who are pretending and

1694
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 2: it's like this guy, James Van Sickle had to pretend

1695
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 2: to be the heartbroken, shock traumatized boyfriend for months, like

1696
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 2: basically up until for months.

1697
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:12,640
Speaker 1: Who can do that? Yeah, those people are scary. Yeah.

1698
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 1: Well if you don't have a conscience then it's easy.

1699
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 1: Yeah right Yeah. Anyway, shit, that was great. Thanks, thank

1700
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: you for sharing. Thank you for sharing, Karen, Thank you

1701
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: for listening. Yeah, my pleasure. Okay, we're back, Karen. Any

1702
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 1: updates on this story, there.

1703
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 2: Are some, so not long after this episode aired, in

1704
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 2: November of twenty seventeen, sin A Family the movie theater

1705
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 2: formally shuttered. This was due to financial problems, is what

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01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 2: the official story was, but it's also linked to the

1707
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,799
Speaker 2: allegations that we talked about in that episode. Certain members

1708
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 2: of leadership had sexually harassed and assaulted staff and volunteers,

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01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 2: created a toxic work environment, and it kind of blew

1710
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 2: up from there. In late twenty nineteen, there was a

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01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:06,520
Speaker 2: brief attempt to rebrand the theater as the Fairfax Cinema,

1712
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 2: but of course, then COVID hit and it didn't really matter.

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01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 2: The theater closed again, and then in late twenty twenty, interestingly,

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01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 2: a streetwear company called brain Dead took over the space.

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01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 2: So you know how there's all those shoe stores and

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01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 2: all that stuff like Fairfax there that are kind of

1717
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:27,719
Speaker 2: near canters that that's what that whole area is known for. Now. Yeah,

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01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:31,560
Speaker 2: so now a streetwear company owns the movie theater and

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01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 2: they host screenings there regularly.

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01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 1: Now today, Wow, I'm curious to see what it looks like.

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01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 2: Well, grab your skateboard and your backwards head and let's

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01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 2: go down there.

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01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 1: My sneak curious. What are the British people call them?

1724
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 1: My trainers? Yeah, grab your trainers in your boot. If

1725
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,759
Speaker 1: you drive up Fairfax on a Saturday or Sunday morning,

1726
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:53,719
Speaker 1: there's always a line for some new shoe drop out outside.

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01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 1: It's like around the block. It's insane there.

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01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 2: The first time I felt officially old, like oh I'm

1729
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 2: no longer young, was driving by one of those lineups and.

1730
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 1: Being like, what are they doing that for? Is that

1731
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: the movies? What is there? A celebrity or having no idea?

1732
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 1: I will tell you though, it's not about age, because

1733
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 1: Vince woke up at four am the other day to

1734
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: get in the virtual line for a fucking shoe drop Like,

1735
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 1: if you're in it, you're in it, and I that's

1736
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 1: he's a big shoehound. He's a big clothes horse. Yeah,

1737
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 1: what are they call him? Sneakerhead? A sneakerhead, a drooler

1738
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,600
Speaker 1: for shoes, he wears shoes. He loves a shoe. So

1739
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 1: let's head back into the episode real quick for good

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01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 1: Things of the Week, Happy things this week? Oh yes,

1741
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 1: what you got?

1742
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 2: This is super dumb, but I think it's a small

1743
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 2: Like there's so many things I want to fix my

1744
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 2: do to fix my house, and most of them are

1745
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 2: very large. And so I do that thing where if

1746
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 2: I have a bunch of things to do, I don't

1747
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 2: do anything because it all.

1748
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 1: Becomes very overwell oh my god, every yes, right, so

1749
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,639
Speaker 1: you're just like, so don't do any.

1750
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,560
Speaker 2: Of it, don't do anything because oh it's so hopeless. Yeah,

1751
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 2: and how do you pick one thing on my right?

1752
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 2: Because I'm like, oh, I need to repaint my house.

1753
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 2: I need to fix there's tons of stuff that I

1754
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:12,600
Speaker 2: need a contract, a contractor for it.

1755
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, don't do it.

1756
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:19,720
Speaker 2: But instead I was getting other shit at Target. This

1757
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 2: is not a commercial, but I found a lamp at Target,

1758
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 2: like just a standing lamp to go into my front

1759
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 2: room where there's.

1760
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 1: Never good light.

1761
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 2: You be careful of light in your house and in

1762
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:32,600
Speaker 2: your surroundings.

1763
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 1: This is freaking me out. Go on, Okay, did we

1764
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 1: get the same lamp? A My thing that made me

1765
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 1: happy this week was going to target at eight am

1766
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 1: this morning? No beat and my car is a standing lamp? No?

1767
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 1: Is it brass colored? Yes? Clear shade? We got the

1768
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 1: same clear shade? No see through a glass shade. No

1769
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 1: I saw that one though. I got the one that

1770
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 1: looks that looks basically like a desk lamp. What the fuck? Yes?

1771
01:30:57,160 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 1: How did we Okay? Because well, here's our periods are saying.

1772
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 1: Our targets are sync and our lamps are sync. Now, yeah,

1773
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: this is our new life. This is our life.

1774
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 2: Hi you're my husband, Hi my wife. I was just

1775
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 2: going to say that little change of just trying to

1776
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 2: make it look slightly nicer in the room I'm mostly in.

1777
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,680
Speaker 2: It puts me in a great mood. And because I

1778
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 2: did that. When I got home from Toronto, I looked

1779
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 2: at the pile of mail on my counter, which is

1780
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 2: just I assume it's supposed to be there, and it

1781
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 2: just like it gets kind of high, and then I

1782
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 2: go like this and gets.

1783
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 1: Really high again. I got rid of all of it, girl,

1784
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: I need to do that. Yep. And that's why I

1785
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:37,679
Speaker 1: found that check. Member.

1786
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 2: When I touched you, I'm like, hey, I should rip

1787
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 2: this up right, but I want to double check because

1788
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 2: it was like laying.

1789
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 1: On top of that pile. What the fuck? Man?

1790
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 2: Clear your piles, Guys, clear your piles and get like

1791
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 2: one new thing that's going to make you feel good.

1792
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 1: Light. You see this place at night? It's so dim

1793
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 1: and it compresses the shit out of me.

1794
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, yeah, oh, let's get lamp up here.

1795
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 1: Yes, help me carry it. Stand, go grab that lamp.

1796
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 1: So wait, so I just stole yours because that was

1797
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 1: one of you.

1798
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 2: I love this.

1799
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:08,640
Speaker 1: You know what My happy thing is that we just

1800
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:12,879
Speaker 1: did that. We just said that sames that our periods

1801
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 1: sank this week. I know that's gross everyone am I,

1802
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 1: but I got so excited and I had to text you.

1803
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 1: Is that gross?

1804
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 2: I wrote back, I'm so sorry, and then she wrote

1805
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 2: back the ultimate sign of friends. Yeah. I was like,

1806
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,640
Speaker 2: I mean, yay, all the means is like then and

1807
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 2: quality ticket.

1808
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 1: This is so much time? Yes, oh nice, I love it.

1809
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 1: That's great. Now I want to set that lamp up

1810
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 1: right this second. Oh my god.

1811
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:39,679
Speaker 2: Also, don't be afraid to buy like a thirty watt

1812
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 2: light bulb because everything's.

1813
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 1: Right and I never know right. Okay, I got I

1814
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 1: gotta got it. Like, look, how many I have eighteen

1815
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 1: vintage lamps in here and they're all dim? Yeah. Well,

1816
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 1: also because you're cute. The shades, yeah, but dark in it.

1817
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: They're like those huge shades that your grandma had. Yeah,

1818
01:32:55,400 --> 01:33:01,639
Speaker 1: that's what I have to Okay, we're back, Karen. Did

1819
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 1: you ever make that room beautiful or did you move?

1820
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:04,759
Speaker 1: I can't remember.

1821
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:06,680
Speaker 2: I think I moved away from that room, so I

1822
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 2: no longer had to make it beautiful. But I really

1823
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:12,920
Speaker 2: loved the recurring we got the same lamp element of

1824
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 2: our lives, just like, wait, you got that lamp.

1825
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 1: I got that crazy our lamps are in sync. I

1826
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 1: love that. It's so funny.

1827
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 2: So okay, So this episode was originally titled The Finch, and.

1828
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 1: If you were naming it today, let's pick a couple

1829
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 1: of our favorites, so of course we have to call

1830
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 1: it Rocket Businessman.

1831
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 2: That truly made me laugh out loud. Also, seven red

1832
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 2: Flags was me specifying hanging out with teenagers is seven

1833
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:37,919
Speaker 2: red Flags?

1834
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,680
Speaker 1: I like that. I love New Math and that your

1835
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 1: dad thought your dad considered it New Math if you

1836
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 1: couldn't that they wear it out.

1837
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:48,559
Speaker 2: It was always New Math's fault exactly. Also, Hi, my

1838
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 2: wife was a funny, funny moment. I mean they just

1839
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 2: kept coming, the hits kept coming in this one.

1840
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 1: That's yeah, very funny. And then of course there's no fixing.

1841
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 1: We're not cats. Appreciate that. Appreciate that one. It's fun

1842
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:01,480
Speaker 1: to keep in mind in the forefront.

1843
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:03,919
Speaker 2: The true wisdom that's just sitting in these old episodes.

1844
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 2: You've got to mine it for the gold that's there.

1845
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 1: Speaking of cats and cookies, let's say goodbye from the

1846
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 1: pod loft back in twenty seventeen. Cool, we've done it.

1847
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 1: We done it. We've done it, We've done it, and

1848
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 1: you've done it again. Thanks for listening, everybody, Thank you

1849
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 1: guys for listening. You're all fucking angel babies. We couldn't

1850
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 1: do it without you. We're only doing it for you. Yeah,

1851
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 1: there's nothing without you. This is all for you. We're

1852
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 1: nothing without you. Yeah, it's up by you. Stay sex

1853
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:34,839
Speaker 1: and don't get murdered.

1854
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:39,759
Speaker 3: Bye bye, Elvis, hold on, give him a second, Elvis

1855
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 3: a cookie. Here he comes here we'll look all sleep

1856
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 3: and which sleepy elms.

1857
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 1: Want a cookie? Want to cook? Keep I like birth,

1858
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 1: quiet man,