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Speaker 1: initially aimed at tackling problems in the black community, but

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Speaker 1: later kind of got rebranded as a Freedom Budget for

430
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Speaker 1: All Americans, which listed as its goals as the abolition

431
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: of poverty, guaranteed full employment, fair prices for farmers, probabilities

432
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: for workers, housing and healthcare for all, the establishing a

433
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: progressive tax um, and fiscal policies that respected the needs

434
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Speaker 1: of working families. And so this nigga was out here

435
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties just like full on. Yeah, like this is

436
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: the ship that you know, guaranteed full employment and guarantee

437
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: full employment. To come to a figure that actually is

438
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: more well known, but it's frequently um, I don't want

439
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: to say whitewashed, but like pacified in terms of how

440
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: they're talking about Martos are continue with a democratic socialist

441
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: like policies like full employment, like a universal basic income

442
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: and a federal job guarantee, kind of the kind of ship,

443
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: and like his organizing around uniting the black and white

444
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: working classes for a movement of poor people of just

445
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: like if you're white, if you're black, if you gay,

446
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: are you straight, if you Mexican, if you're a woman,

447
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: and you ain't getting paid with your fair share of

448
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: your party, then let's do this ship. And that's when

449
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: they murdered his ass. L Sharpson's as don't want to

450
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: talk about, don't forget, like you know, when when they

451
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: wanted to vilify Martin Luther King, they threw the word communist,

452
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: communist comedy comedy like as a matter of fact, like

453
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: everybody in the Civil rights movement when they were calling

454
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: them communists back then. Yeah, and then of course, you

455
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: know Angela Davis, his mother was a national officer and

456
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: lead organizer in the Southern Negro Youth Congress, which was

457
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: which was influenced by the Communist Party, and so Davis

458
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: grew up surrounded by Communist organizers and thinkings, which you know,

459
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: significantly impacted her own intellectual development. And then you know,

460
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, Angelo, Dr Davis went on first Dame Base

461
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: with her just uh girl, girl, I have that bitch

462
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: half that time. Um, so you know she was a

463
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: famed member of the Communist Party, was twice the Communist

464
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: Party's candidate for vice president in the nineteen eighties. So

465
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 1: when people are calling black lives matter of Marxist organization

466
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: given some of its redistributed policies, um, even things like

467
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: reparations like given that like I mean, I don't want

468
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: to go so far as to call like black people

469
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: the original work class in America, but the idea of

470
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: reparations of a redistributive policy to make amends for the

471
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: labor that was stolen from the folks that helped build

472
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: this country. Like this kind of social in the sense

473
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: of like giving back to the people that build but

474
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: wealth and build value what is owed to them. And

475
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: so ideas like from redistributive policies, both in the sense of, um,

476
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: the lack of generational wealth the black community, or if

477
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: you want to look at like ideas like defunding the

478
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: police and police abolition coming from folks like Antila Davis

479
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: who were themselves are themselves communists. Like it's honestly not

480
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: really a stretch. It's honestly not really stretch. But um,

481
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of work to do with

482
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: teaching everyone, black people included, what socialism means and that

483
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: and that we can address. We can address the ills

484
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: of racial capitalism that are exploiting black workers, that are

485
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: making it so that more of us are getting COVID

486
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: right now because more of us work in service, in

487
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: hospitality and retail industry is eating into the capitalist machine. Yeah,

488
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: we're not getting fucking hazard pay and we're not getting

489
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: healthcare because well this being waiting on reparations. You know,

490
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: we have to find a hip hop angle and a

491
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: hip hop in and I feel that, um it is

492
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: kind of a question, you know, it is a good

493
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: question to wonder what is hip hop's relationship or role

494
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: within the paradigm of these differing economic ideologies of capitalism, socialism,

495
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: and communism. And to do that, I had a little

496
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: conversation earlier with the homie Space Baby. Now. Space Baby

497
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: is a communist rapper and beat maker, and he runs

498
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: a YouTube channel called space Babies where they discuss art, history, politics,

499
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: and all of it from a Marxist perspective. Right now,

500
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: he's releasing a video series called Marks in the house,

501
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: which is explaining gentrification all from an anti capitalist perspective.

502
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: And when I discovered him was from a previous video

503
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: series he had called Marks on the Mic, which is

504
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: all about what we're talking about right now, which is

505
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: hip hop's role in relationship with capitalism and socialism and

506
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: communism and whatnot. So stay tuned, we're going to get

507
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: into that after joke. Maybe this is the part of

508
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: Rapps the deepest entrench in capitalist ideology and the ultimate

509
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: Raps the richest rap song, and this is debatable, is

510
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: bigg East Juicy. I mostly want to take a look

511
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: at the hook because honestly, it's sung by capitalists. Check

512
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: it out. You're a black man and you know what

513
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: your place society is much even though you recognize that

514
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: the system is not built for you, forget that ship,

515
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: ignoring it, trying to get rich good, stay complicit in

516
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: this capitalist system and now reward you richly. Yo. That

517
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: was a clip from the series Marks on the Mic

518
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: by our next guest. God. Moments like this really make

519
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: me wish that I was doing this in front of

520
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: us live audience, because then I could be like, Yo,

521
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: everybody makes some noise for communists rapper, beat maker, space Baby,

522
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: How you doing? Man? Was good? Was good? I'm really

523
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,239
Speaker 1: excited to be on and talk about literally my two

524
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: favorite things in the world, communism and pop. So that

525
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 1: you're you're in the right place for that. So um,

526
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: first off, you know, I gotta ask you so name how?

527
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: How What's up with the name space baby? Right? So?

528
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: At first, so it started out as kind of a

529
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: thing of you know, like, oh, I'm different than the rest.

530
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: I must not be from Earth, you know, from space.

531
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm a space baby. We're all space babies and things

532
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: like that, you know. Like when I kind of grew

533
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: out of that mindset of like, no, I don't want

534
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: to be apart from the people. I want to be

535
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: one with the people. At that point, the name stuck

536
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: and I like the sound of it. Yeah, at this point,

537
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: that's just what space Baby is. So how long have

538
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: you been making hip hop? I've been making hip hop

539
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: for fourteen years now at this point, I've been I've

540
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: been I've been wrapping for about fourteen fifteen years, and

541
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: I've been making beats for about twelve years. Because you

542
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: want to start out, I was shitty. Nobody wanted to

543
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: give me beats and I was just like, man, I'll

544
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 1: make myself so funck y'all. So at that point myself, Oh,

545
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: I know what that's like. That's why I produced because

546
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: I didn't have anybody to make beats for me too.

547
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: So what type of stuff were you into? What are

548
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: your influences? So when I I have a very like,

549
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: I've always been a fan of history, so every time

550
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: that I would like discover something new, I would always

551
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: go back. So I was that annoying kid in middle

552
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: school listening to nothing but eighties rap and like quoting

553
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: mcs nobody knew. So it was really I would say

554
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: that Public Enemy Takes a Nation of Millions, Like that

555
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: record convinced me that I wanted to spit um. And

556
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: then after that, you know, I just started to get

557
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: into all the classics, like a tribe called quest dayla Um,

558
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: freestyle fellowship, like really anything I didn't really know much

559
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: about because I grew up in the Netherlands, I didn't

560
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: really know too much about the States, so it was

561
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: all one big thing for me. I didn't really you know,

562
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: West West Coast has this, East Coast has this like oh,

563
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: it's just taking rap music, you know what I mean?

564
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: So um so yes, So I got into everything and

565
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: I think at this point, um, I feel like my

566
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: latest biggest influence was probably Kendrick and Uh and the

567
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: California and other California based MC called Bamboo would say

568
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: those two are my biggest aspirations right now. The way

569
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: that I was introduced to you was through your YouTube channel, UM,

570
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: and that in particular just caught my attention, just marks

571
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: on the mic. It just seemed like, you know, it

572
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: seemed like right up my alley in terms of the

573
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: vein of hip hop that I'm into and stuff like that.

574
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: So checking it out it was really insightful. Now I

575
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: obviously introduced you as communist rapper. You write a YouTube

576
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: channel that's all about the Marxist perspective. It seems like

577
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: that's a big part of your identity or your WRAP identity.

578
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: So what brought that on? Was that always something from

579
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: the beginning when you first started making music or is

580
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: that something that you kind of developed into your rap

581
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: persona as it were. I was, Yeah, I would always

582
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: like Wrap when I was going through and you know,

583
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: because I start to to to to spit at a

584
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: young age, I would rhyme a lot about you know,

585
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: teen angst stuff like that, Like I would just pretty

586
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: much spit about two things like one being depressed than

587
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: to being the best MC alive, you know, a lot

588
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: of the same time. And so, you know, every time

589
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: I would get into new things, like when I was

590
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: really starting to get into film, I would you know,

591
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: incorporate a lot of like movie quotes and movie references.

592
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: And for literature, when I was really getting to like

593
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: magical realism, science fiction, I would find a way to

594
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: incorporate that because a lot of the aspect of what

595
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: I like the most about rap is kind of the

596
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: stream of consciousness. So it would really be whatever I

597
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: would be into and absorbing that would that would show

598
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: up in my music. So after college, when I got

599
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: into Marxism, that very naturally found a way into it,

600
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: although much more intensely than any other topic that incorporated

601
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: my music before. Now, with the nature of like just

602
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: just political ideology is just in general, it's it's it

603
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: just naturally lends itself to something that you try to

604
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: persuade embody towards, you know what I'm saying, like, depending

605
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: on whatever your ideology is. So as an artist, does

606
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: it ever, do you ever find yourself like walking a

607
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: fine line between that's naturally what's coming out, but you

608
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: also don't want to be too preachy about about your

609
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: ship on the audience or is it like funk that

610
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: that's what I'm going for, is you know you're you're

611
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: coming here to have to be converted. It's okay, I

612
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: mean that. I mean all, like all art is branded

613
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: with a class character. So like you know, I'm I'm

614
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: pushing something when I'm not talking. If I'm not talking

615
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: about communism, I'm pushing capitalism. Like it's not always that easy,

616
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: but sometimes it is, you know. And for me, that

617
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: fine line which you're you know, what you're referring to

618
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: is very real and most m c s don't know

619
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: how to walk it. And I don't know, like I'll

620
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: leaf that up to other people, but when I do, know,

621
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: if I'm very conscious about it, because much more than

622
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: anything else, it's so hard to do political wrap right,

623
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: It's so hard, like nine times out of tend you

624
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: sound preachy says or if you try to like throw

625
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: in concepts, you know, and and and even then like

626
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: even with with the with the well known group like

627
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: the coup Um, I have some comrades who think they're

628
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: super corny. You know when when in that one song

629
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: digg it like when I spin in dialectical analysis, everybody

630
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: like mad, that's corny throwing the work in there. So

631
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: it's always it's always a fine line. But uh, at

632
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: the same time, it's both something that comes out of

633
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: me naturally and also something that I you know, I

634
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: see the ship that I put out is part of

635
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: the class struggle by default, and I have to be

636
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: conscious of that. Specifically. Talking about socialism today in your

637
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: communist so, could you explain what is the difference between

638
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: communism and socialism? Sure? So so realism. So when it

639
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: comes to capitalism, Um, that's based on wage labor. Right,

640
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: you have a bunch of people who sell their their

641
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: power to work. Right when you go to a capitalism

642
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: saying like, hey, I can't work for you, please hire me,

643
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: give me an hour league wage. Right, So we're selling

644
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: our labor power essentially, and we do not own the

645
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: products that we make. Right. So that's the capitalists, um

646
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: part of it. Now, under communism, there's no such thing

647
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: as selling your labor power. Right. You don't go to

648
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: another person and say like, hey, please rent me out.

649
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I need fucking food, so please like

650
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: hire me. Um. It's about you own what you produce, right,

651
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: So you're in soul control of your of your of

652
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: your ability to to work essentially. And it's also there's

653
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: a communal aspect to it, right, like we're all working

654
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: together to um produce what is necessary for the community.

655
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: So okay, so you have capitalism and communism. But then

656
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: where the socialism come in. So socialism is that transitional period.

657
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: It's kind of this realization like, hey, these two things

658
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: that I just described, they're very very far apart, right,

659
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: especially scale. Let's gonna take a long time to get

660
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: from point A to point b. So socialism is that

661
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: transitional period where the working class uses the tool of

662
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: the state. Right, so has control over the state, So

663
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: there's still a state to slowly transition out of right,

664
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: so you're slowly, um, you're slowly phasing out wage labor essentially, um.

665
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: And so that's one side of it. Now you have

666
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: people who call themselves socialists but who really mean democratic socialist,

667
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: and I think that's where the tricky part comes in.

668
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: They say, hey, I'm Burnie Standard says I'm a socialist,

669
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: but he's not. He's a democratic socialist. He doesn't want

670
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: to abolish capitalism. He wants a better capitalism, right, want

671
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: to quote unquote their capitalism. Yeah, that's why I say

672
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: that I'm a communist to really let people know I'm

673
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: not a democratic socialist like Labor. I wanted all to

674
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: work for the common good for each other. I don't

675
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: want anybody owning my ship. I want all of us

676
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: to own ship collectively, except my toothbrush. I can keep

677
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: my tooth. So with this, uh, with this thing of ours,

678
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: this hip hop thing that we got, like, how does

679
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: this fit you know, hip hop as a culture, you know,

680
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: not not the commodified understanding of hip hop, but hip

681
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: hop as a culture, and with the history that it has,

682
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: how does it fit into this this paradigm of different

683
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: economic ideology? Right? Right, there's two parts of that. Again,

684
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, there's a there's a there's a duality to

685
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: to a lot of things. I would say that the

686
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: first thing, there are communist aspects of hip hop, right,

687
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: Like the cipher is one of those things, right circle,

688
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: It's very I mean, it's not necessarily non hierarchical, because

689
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: we've all been in a cipher we have like old

690
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: heads and mcs and they will not right, you know, um,

691
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: But but essentially it's right. It's based on skill, it's

692
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: based on merit rights, based on common values essentially, um.

693
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: And within every economic system, so within capitalism, you're always

694
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: going to have some counter force. It's never ideologically, it's

695
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: never purely capitalist. There's always gonna be some counter force.

696
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: And so I would say that there's nothing essentially about

697
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: hip hop that is either or I would even say

698
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: that from the get go it was used for both. Um.

699
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: That is the short answer to it, that there is not.

700
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of also my beef with

701
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: concepts like conscious wrap and ship like that. All right,

702
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: conscious about what you know what I mean, very very idealistic.

703
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: So I would say that it can be used for both. Um,

704
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 1: it's it's from the get go it was growth both

705
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: pro capitalists and anti capitalists. Essentially prop both pro capitalists

706
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: and anti But which do you if do you have

707
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: like an opinion as to which one it leans more towards?

708
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: I would say, so I could give you my full opinion,

709
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: but that's gonna be a rap. Hey, this is waiting

710
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: our reparations, dude. We support the rant rant away. So yeah,

711
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: because essentially, so, like I said, like the way capitalism

712
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: treats hip hop is really insidious, right. So, like from

713
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: the get go there was a commodification of rap music

714
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: and hip hop culture, right. So from the start hip

715
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: hop and rap they were turned by capitalists into commodities,

716
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, which means that it was starting to be

717
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: produced for exchange value rather than use value. Um about

718
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: youth value. I mean, you know when hip hop started,

719
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: it was it was it was a working class expression. Uh.

720
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: And it was focused on and you know, expressing oneself,

721
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: bringing people together. That was the use value of it, right,

722
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: And so the music industry quickly commodified it and start

723
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: to produce it for exchange value, which means how much

724
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: money you know they can squeeze out of this thing. Uh.

725
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: But even that, just squeezing money out of hip hop,

726
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: it doesn't tell the whole story. Because what's important what

727
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: kind of music actually sells, um, And what messaging makes

728
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: the most money, and what sells is capitalist ideology, right

729
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: why because big capitalists they own the means of entertainment

730
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: production and what gets pumped out. They control the narrative.

731
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: So you know, a lot of rap music from the

732
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: bat contained pro capitalist themes. And the tricky part about

733
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 1: it is that the anti capitalist part of hip hop

734
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: can still easily serve capitalism as well. And go ahead, now,

735
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you how so oh because so essentially, um,

736
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: we can kind of link it to like a protest. Right,

737
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: so let's take like a song and a protest. So

738
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: capitalist they have allowed songs with with themes of anti

739
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: capitalism to come out right like from the Back who

740
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: had you know, Grandmaster flashing like rats in the front room,

741
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: roaches in the bat, junkies in the alley with the

742
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: baseball bat. You know, it's just like ship like that,

743
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: like on like right away, like describing ship like that?

744
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: So why why have capitalists allowed groups like Public Enemy

745
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: to come out with the track like quite the power?

746
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: And that's because it's like a song and a protest.

747
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: They both can have a revolutionary aspect to it, right,

748
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: Like there's protests who have brought governments? Now I wouldn't

749
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: say capitalism, but government. Sure, they've brought governments now, same thing.

750
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: A very well timed song can be be an anthem

751
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: for a riot, for a protest, and it can help

752
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: bring a government down. There's absolutely a hunch percent that

753
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: revolutionary aspect to it. I mean, that's why otherwise I

754
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't be I mean I would still be making music,

755
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: but probably like into it. But what we also see

756
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: is that a protest can have a counter revolutionary function

757
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: in the sense of we're all hype, We're all hitting

758
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: the streets. You know, we're all shouting things. You know,

759
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: we're throwing up our middle finger against the pigs, like

760
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: this and that, all this stuff, and it's like a

761
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: cathartic thing. We're all letting out all this anger, all

762
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: this hype, and it's very disorganized. We're hitting the streets

763
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: every fucking day, and then we're going home, right, and

764
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: then the next thing we go on nine five, like, Okay,

765
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: I feel much better. I felt like I really did something,

766
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: but essentially you didn't do anything. The same thing can

767
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: happen with with you know, with the track like Fight

768
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: the Power, where you you know you're wrapping it. You

769
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: feel like, damn, you know, I'm putting out all this

770
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: anti capitalist ship and you're wrapping it. You're angry, it's

771
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: all anti government thing. You're bumping it with your friends,

772
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: like yeah, man, they're speaking the truth, and then it's

773
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: a cathartic expression and and then the next day you

774
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: could just like Okay, you know, I feel much better,

775
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: and then this week show again. Right, So it has

776
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: that dual character and um, but there is a determined factor.

777
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: And that determinant factor is how is it connected to

778
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: the on the ground movement? And um. Same thing with protests, right,

779
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 1: Like a series of coordinated protests by a revolutionary party

780
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: that's like part of a larger revolutionary strategy can absolutely

781
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: bring down capitalism. Same thing with songs, right, art and

782
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: artists like used as a part of a revolutionary strategy

783
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: can help bring down capitalism. But what we see in

784
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: the US, and after this, I'll, you know, stop with

785
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: this long ass read. Hip hop came out of the

786
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: ruins of the anti capitalist movement of the sixties, right

787
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: like seventy three, you know, seventy nine first record release

788
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Like it's really in this complete

789
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: leftist power of vacuum that hip hop rolls out of.

790
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: And I feel that that's why hip hop has gotten

791
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: a lot of leeway, you know, compared that to the

792
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: revolutionary movement in the Philippines right now, where artists are

793
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: literally being gunned down in the street. Why because their

794
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: ship is part of this struggle that has real material games.

795
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: So that's the determinant factor. So do you think that, um,

796
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: American hip hop, I mean, I would say hip hop

797
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: in general, But do you think that American hip hop

798
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: has kind of been co opted in a way by

799
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: left by right wing sort of like value systems. I

800
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: would say that there's you know, what's interesting about rap

801
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: is that they have different class lives they represent. They

802
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: can represent different class characters in the in the same

803
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 1: song or the same verse even right like somebody in

804
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: the verse saying we need to, you know, bring the

805
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: working class together and then say some real patriarchal ship.

806
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: You know that should happens all the time. Um, the

807
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: dominating line, I do feel, yes, absolutely as pro I

808
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: would say that the majority of American rappist pro capitalists.

809
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: But I think that I feel like that's pretty well documented.

810
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: I just feel like that other part of the anti

811
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: capitalist portion, how much power it actually holds on their

812
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: relationship to on the ground movement for like, that's not

813
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: often talked about. Oh, I definitely agree with you on

814
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: all that. I guess where I would differ from you

815
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: is I don't know how innocent I feel hip hop

816
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: is in it, Like I don't think hip hop is

817
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: like a hapless victim. I Like, I'm sure a lot

818
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 1: of people my age is heartbroken in the last few

819
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: months at like, oh wait, my favorite rappers are supporting

820
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: the nazis What the fun is going on? Like? Why? Why?

821
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: Why are my favorite rappers saying hug the police? So

822
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm salty about it. I can admit that I'm definitely

823
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: salty about that. I mean, just to speak on that

824
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: real quick, Like we all seen, like when Lie Wayne

825
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: came out with Missofficer, we all, yo, this is this

826
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: is this could be a whole other topic for a

827
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: whole other episode. You know, I'm sure that there was

828
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: a lot of rappers, you know, in the mainstream who

829
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: stayed silent because they were trying to protect their brand.

830
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't be shocked if the you know, a

831
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: good majority of them brains have been made into mush

832
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: that they worshiped money so much that they're kind of

833
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 1: cool with fascism and ship I would not be surprised

834
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: with that at all. Like does hip hop even represent

835
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: that to the average person? Anymore. I know, fucking I

836
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: know of I know bar back in my town and

837
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: Savannah that's like a cop hangout, a Southern cop hangout

838
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: that bumps the most hardcore gangster trap ship all night,

839
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So like do these messages

840
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: even represent that sort of like countercultural aspect anymore? And

841
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: that's why just like just that circulation of music on

842
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: its own is not enough. Like there was this this

843
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: video that was that was that was going viral with

844
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: this Trump supported a Trump rally. You know, she had

845
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 1: the Trump flag in her hand and she was wrapping

846
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: along with Rage against Them the Machine. Yeah, so literally

847
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: this is probably the most iranic you know, because even

848
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: Rage against Machine in the early nineties, like they were

849
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: supporting the Peruvian Communist Party was waging people's who are

850
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: in Peru in the eighties, like it was, they were

851
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: much more hardcore and really into this ship than a

852
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: lot of other artists. And he literally has you know,

853
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: like those who are the badge or whatever the funk

854
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: like in the song and she was like, yeah, pro

855
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: propable kind of this thing of just like do you

856
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: like I agree with you? And to some level, also

857
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: right wingers can literally do whatever the you know, like

858
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: all this music makes me feel hype, you know what

859
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I want to uh for for cop,

860
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: like oh, I want to rest some people while this

861
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 1: ship give me gives me adremaline. I mean it's true,

862
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: it's true, don't get me wrong. I mean I'm not

863
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: this This is not like a I don't even know

864
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: what it is because it's not like I'm saying anybody

865
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: should switch up the music that they want to make.

866
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: You know, do you just's whatever? But I don't know.

867
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I know I have I

868
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: have a Yeah, I'm a rapper too. I got I

869
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: got a sense of like what's cool and what's not.

870
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: And I don't mean cool as in like oh that's hip,

871
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: and I just mean there's like the ship I don't

872
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: funk with, you know what I mean. There's like there's

873
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: like attitudes in perspective. There's like the ship that I'm like, Yo,

874
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: if you were wearing a maga hat, I wouldn't funk

875
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: with what you're saying and what you're doing right now.

876
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna funk with it just because you're

877
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: spitting overbeats. Well, that's real. And I mean, and there's

878
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: a lot of with with with rappers. I mean, it's

879
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: mostly disappointments, you know, even with Killer Mike. Killer Mike

880
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: was also making all these songs that other with a

881
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: lot of like progressive rappers, like he has a track

882
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: with with Bamboo, but he also owns a whole bunch

883
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: of businesses um in Atlanta. So when when when the

884
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: George Floyd like protests came out, it was just like,

885
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: you know, y'all better not be coming through my neighborhood

886
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: and things like that. I'm like, dude, you literally rapper,

887
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: this so fucked up, like, come on, not you Mike.

888
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: And I like who was one of the It was him.

889
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: And when I found out that Hannibal Burr's was a landlord,

890
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: those two were just like I'm like, yaw, come on.

891
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: And and so a part of it, I think is

892
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 1: that thing of like you're absolutely right, like I agree

893
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: with you. There is no innocence like when it should.

894
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: A lot of rappers know what the funk they're doing.

895
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: They're making a very conscious decision, um. And I think

896
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: some of it, you know, it stems from you know,

897
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: like the class character of you know, class mobility, you know,

898
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of rappers. They started out

899
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: coming from know what we call lumping backgrounds, which is

900
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: just like outside of regular production, you know, like drug

901
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: dealing and things like that, and that they move up to,

902
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, in the case of Killer Mike, like a

903
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: petty bourgeois class standpoint was like I own multiple small

904
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: businesses or to like fucking jay Z when you're you know,

905
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: owned sports teams and you're like bourgeois to the core.

906
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: So they that if you if you take like I'm

907
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: sure that like nineties six jay Z, but you know

908
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: when he was ninety when he was on the record

909
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: with Big Al Ship like that, Yeah, he had a

910
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: different world outlook, you know what I mean, like buying

911
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: an official Vangal painting, you know, because you're in a

912
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: different class position. We we did an episode not too

913
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: long ago where we were talking about as a matter

914
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: of fact, I think it was kind of the same

915
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: subject like just like Wrapped the just sounded Republicans, We're

916
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: talking about the story of O J and it was like, Yo,

917
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: who the is he talking to? It's like wait, it's

918
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: like like he is he straight up like talking about

919
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: flipping buildings in Manhattan, Like like you're not, like, are

920
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: you talking to me? Because I don't know what the

921
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: funk that's about? But okay, just the transition. So um,

922
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: so like what what do what can people find on

923
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: your YouTube channel because it seems like it it seems

924
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: like you put a lot of effort into that, I

925
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: mean for real, So right now at this point, I,

926
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: like you said, I'm releasing a video series which is

927
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: called Marks in the House. So that's a series about

928
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: gentrification because you know, a lot of times when people

929
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: talk about gentrification is this ship of of Oh there's

930
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: some hipsterious moving into my street and there's a new

931
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: ice cream shop that only sells golden flake ice cream

932
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: cold and that now my rant is going up, and

933
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: it's like yeah, but there's there's more behind that, and

934
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: it's intentional, right that they're keeping this information um from us.

935
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: So in that's what I do. If you know nothing

936
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: about Marxist political economy, so if you're out there listening,

937
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: that's probably you, because nobody teaches us this ship at all.

938
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 1: And I have to struggle for a really long time

939
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: to grab because nobody was there to teach me. Um,

940
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: if you know nothing about Marxist political economy or anything

941
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: about or not much about gentrification. If you start at

942
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: episode one, I will walk you through literally every fucking thing.

943
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: And it's twenty one episodes, and by the end, not

944
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: only will you understand how gentrification works, but also how

945
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: capitalism works, and and and and this even the historical

946
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: switches that capitalism goes through. And they're all most episodes

947
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: there around ten minutes, so it's, you know, easily digestible

948
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 1: somewhere a little longer. But it's kind of this thing like, okay,

949
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: it was the same thing with Marx on the mic

950
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: where boat serious, Like if you don't know anything about Marxism,

951
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: but your interest in either hip hop or gentrification starts

952
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: from episode one. By the end you will sound like

953
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: the smartest party of the person where it. So let

954
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: our listeners know where they can find you where you at.

955
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: So it's on the on the YouTube channels called space Babies.

956
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: So if you type in space babies, you'll find it.

957
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: Even though there's this other vlogger who's called space baby

958
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,439
Speaker 1: who just like blocks and ship like, we won't match

959
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: it up. But if you if you if you just

960
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: type in space babies, you'll find it, and you can

961
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: find my music space baby on Spotify, so you can

962
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: find some stuff there. I'm coming out with with a

963
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: new project on there as well. I would say that

964
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: those are the main two avenues to find me. All right,

965
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: that's what's up. Yeah, thank you for coming through. Appreciate it.

966
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: We uh we always end our ship with some bars.

967
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna spit with us. I'm down all right,

968
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: where let's get it in. Let me get a beat. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

969
00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: we're waiting our reparations. Imagine a minute, millions of average

970
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: women and men in the tragic position of trading and

971
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: impassion for wages and cat because they shackle by capitalism.

972
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: Imagine a minute millions of average citizens planted the spinach

973
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: and whacked into the kitchens and stacking the linen's contractors

974
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: and windows and pennants, their labor extracted for pennies. What

975
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: if they coordinated to address the sort of state of

976
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: it in an organization? Guess fucking what. That's sort of

977
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: what d s A does, and not even sort of.

978
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: It's more of the crux ticking the power from borders

979
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: of box big bankers off showing that cuts converting the

980
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: power of labor to those who created the billionaires, ooh

981
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: it to us. So if you're jaded, and certainly by

982
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: waking up early to earn a bag, if you sat

983
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: about Bernie, if you've got a curious yearning and had

984
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: it but passively working, we got you back and we're

985
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: happy to have you. We are the d S. A

986
00:58:55,000 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: actively working unity, struggle, unity to custle. Can't promote revolution

987
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: from a sidect bubble. How do you reclaim the block

988
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: when the shady cops look you for a way to

989
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: spray your pop? How to make a stop when they

990
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: sit in there? You sit? If you have the long

991
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: you get popped with no pity. But if you organized

992
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: a committee pop at first, but put in work, then

993
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: it grows to fifty. Watch the moved chip that that

994
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: people prow together, hunt of isolation? How do your vendetta

995
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: out of here? With the fake fucking politicians think they

996
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: clip the people said? Oh deaths with the vengeance. When

997
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: you organized, you can reach your goals. Take back the land,

998
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: take back and crow cleanse with the whole then and

999
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: with the new. If it's sounds amful, then you know

1000
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: that it's true. With bigger than you revolution him and

1001
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: it cutbacks. The food stamps can afford insolent. No debts

1002
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: of care here even though your tooth aches when they

1003
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: charge you thout wow, how will you pay diabetes? Rampant

1004
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: shirt verses old the seat that you work the deathly

1005
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: can't afford fresh cool series? What do you expect from

1006
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: a capitalist who only gets my profit? Not for how

1007
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: you live? Gotta lift the car and keep the brainworking.

1008
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: Gotta hit the buck, Fred Law, your Fred surgeons, the

1009
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: movement of surgeon sure called the class fraggers. When we

1010
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: roped from the bottom up. That takes a lot of love.

1011
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: That's why you try to silence us and the greedy

1012
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: want to take the capital and bottle up baby, start

1013
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: a movement. And what we do when your follow us

1014
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: with the Democrats providing homie is not enough, We take

1015
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: you back to class and let you after math all

1016
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: these motherfucker's going crazy with a fascist ass. I take

1017
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: a pass when releasing the button you we gotta believe

1018
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: in this, but believing it's something. The whole system got changed,

1019
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: and we need a discussion to get it popping. First,

1020
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: talking about the means of production. And I don't know

1021
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: if I'm a socialist. I'm a smoking vocalist, but I

1022
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: like with both my comrades are trying to go with this,

1023
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: and the people that I really hate they want to

1024
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: go against. You know me, I'm an asshole, so I'm

1025
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: gonna go with it. Do you say no doubt? Franka,

1026
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: My name's Dope Knife and we are Waiting on Reparation.

1027
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: See you guys next week. Waiting on Reparations as a

1028
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: production of I Heeart Radio. Listen to Waiting on Reparations

1029
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever

1030
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: you get your part. Guess