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Speaker 1: What's up, Austin? Every time we don't get that wrong,

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy for us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, for real.

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Speaker 1: Have a seat. Have a seat. Thank you. Hi, y'all.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 4: Hi, y'all.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 4: Man, for a theater this big, that was incredibly loud.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Good job, guys.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: This never sucks.

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Speaker 4: Never. Not one time.

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Speaker 1: Nope. And we've forgotten how to do this a couple times.

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Speaker 1: I wrote some stuff down because we forgot to talk

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Speaker 1: about anything last night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we kind of rushed right to the middle.

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Speaker 2: Last night, it happens, it happens sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with what you're wearing.

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Speaker 4: Really?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: You go first.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm wearing a dress, it's vintage. It's got questionable

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Speaker 1: vintage stains on it.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: And I'm wearing my cowboy boots.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because Georgia knows how to rep.

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Speaker 4: And I'm wearing a dress that reminds me of my grandma,

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Speaker 4: and it has pockets. Yeah. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: There's something in there.

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Speaker 1: Show them your sexy tights, too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Last night I had opaque, kind of just some opaque tights,

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Speaker 4: like from the 90s that you'd wear with Doc Martens.

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Speaker 2: And my sister's friend Adrienne's here.

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Speaker 4: She really shat on me for wearing those tights. So

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Speaker 4: did my friend Okira.

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Speaker 2: So did my friend Jan.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Everybody.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know.

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Speaker 4: I was being dogpiled in that room.

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Speaker 1: For nylons.

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Speaker 4: For a basic anti-fashion choice.

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Speaker 3: Legs.

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Speaker 1: Legs.

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Speaker 2: Remember the pantyhose legs?

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Speaker 1: That came in an egg? Are we the oldest people here?

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Speaker 4: Come on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just, when I was a kid, I was like, mom,

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Speaker 1: I want this. And she's like, it's fucking like nylon.

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Speaker 1: It's an egg. It's not an egg.

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Speaker 2: Legs and eggs.

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Speaker 4: That was the kind of thinking they were doing in

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Speaker 2: Women love protein.

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Speaker 4: You know what? They also love not having weird, gross.

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Speaker 2: Legs shown to everybody.

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Speaker 1: Cover those up, ladies.

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Speaker 2: Cover them up, put them in a plastic egg. They

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Speaker 4: What have you been doing here in Austin?

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Speaker 1: Let's see. Well, just mostly eating mac and cheese and

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Speaker 1: then Uncrustable. I am the unofficial Uncrustable ambassador.

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Speaker 4: She is.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why.

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Speaker 4: I know why, because Georgia put Uncrustables on her writer

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Speaker 4: as like her request.

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Speaker 1: For the green room?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what we get to have backstage.

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Speaker 1: I got so excited, and apparently I'm the only one,

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Speaker 4: I said mozzarella sticks, and... Craig kind of stared at

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Speaker 4: me and I went, I'm sorry, I meant string cheese. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: three dozen Uncrustables. Yeah. So I've just been bringing everyone Uncrustables.

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Speaker 1: And you have to put, you have to warm them

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Speaker 1: them in your bra. Yeah. It's got the perfect amount of.

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Speaker 1: And so, no, what if.

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Speaker 4: That's the Austin hors d'oeuvres. That's what we call that

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Speaker 4: right there. A boob warmed Uncrustable from us to you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's good. Yum.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've had some of the most delicious, I

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Speaker 4: keep eating food here, like, you know, obviously fajitas and

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Speaker 4: impossible for me? to enjoy food. So you're, except for Uncrustables.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: And things like it.

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Speaker 1: I ate barbecue from Terry Black's. Do you like that one?

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Speaker 1: You guys know him?

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Speaker 4: Terry's here tonight. Thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: I keep eating like I don't have to be on

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Speaker 1: I have been consuming. Salt's great. I, it's so good.

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 4: Was it you or me that asked for nerds clusters backstage?

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Speaker 4: Cause we do have those. Those are there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So I have for dinner, I have nerds crust,

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Speaker 4: nerds clusters, nerds uncrustables.

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Speaker 3: Shut up.

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Speaker 4: It's our idea, not yours.

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Speaker 1: You heard it.

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Speaker 2: You dare steal that idea.

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Speaker 1: Wait, are they... Do you put the closed sandwich and

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Speaker 1: you put it inside?

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Speaker 2: It's a surprise inside.

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Speaker 4: What other creative ideas do we have?

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Speaker 1: I meant to tell you in Denver how I sliced

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Speaker 1: Because it's this thing that keeps you humble when you

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Speaker 1: And so I slit my finger open on a nose

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Speaker 2: Because I wouldn't do that if I were you.

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Speaker 1: No, that would be amazing. But thankfully it was brand

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Speaker 1: And then, nope, right over the blade.

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Speaker 2: Later, the fountain.

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Speaker 4: And you said, hey, here's some content right here.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be able to use this.

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Speaker 1: That's right. What else did we want to tell them?

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Speaker 4: Just, we love you, Austin. We're so happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: Oh, awesome. This is a podcast, true crime comedy podcast

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Speaker 1: called My Favorite Murder. Yeah, that's right. That's it.

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Speaker 4: That's what we wanted to tell you. That's Georgia Hardstark.

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Speaker 2: That's Kieran Kilgaren.

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Speaker 4: And finally, as opposed to the podcast we normally do,

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Speaker 4: we get to hear.

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Speaker 2: Your side of the story.

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Speaker 4: We get to podcast and you, I mean, not too much,

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Speaker 4: but you get to be with us too. It's the

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Speaker 4: most exciting version of this podcast.

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Speaker 1: We've got so much more than you realize when you

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Speaker 1: listen to us, when we have editors happening, right?

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Speaker 4: Thanks, Liana.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, Aristotle.

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Speaker 2: They really fix it up for us.

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Speaker 1: That's it. What else?

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Speaker 4: Oh, Steven.

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Speaker 1: Steven texted me today, actually. Did he? Yeah, he said,

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Speaker 4: That's funny because, no joke, he texted me today and

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Speaker 2: Good luck tonight.

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Speaker 3: Aw.

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Speaker 4: And it was him in an audience, Steven Spielberg, and

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Speaker 4: And I was like, what the heck? What?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So Hollywood. That Hollywood mustache. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: All of Hollywood's worst secrets inside that mustache.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting a hot flash. Should we sit down? I

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Speaker 1: think we should. Thank you. Last night someone, oh my God,

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Speaker 4: This means, Nicole, I think we have to start making fans. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh, also.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there it is.

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Speaker 1: I got tissues this time.

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Speaker 2: Right now, Nicole's like, ugh.

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Speaker 1: More merch?

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Speaker 2: We have to make fans.

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Speaker 1: Did you guys meet Nicole at merch? This is her

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Speaker 1: first time in Texas.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So be really nice to her.

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Speaker 2: Be really nice to Nicole.

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Speaker 1: Not that you would.

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Speaker 4: We need her to stay. We need her help very badly. Oh, wait,

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Speaker 4: am I first tonight?

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I'm first.

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Speaker 3: Oh, okay.

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. No, yeah, I went first last night.

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Speaker 1: No, but it's about the stories.

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Speaker 2: It's not about that.

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Speaker 4: And then we just have a full fucking fight in

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Speaker 1: I am 50% sure I'm first tonight.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what? When the slideshow starts, we'll know

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Speaker 4: for sure.

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Speaker 1: Shit. Goodness. Me? Okay, I got a thumbs up.

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Speaker 4: Okay, great, it's Georgia. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh, but first you have to tell them about this thing.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's right. That's right. If you are new here,

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Speaker 2: We welcome you.

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Speaker 4: This is a true crime comedy podcast. Now, that is

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Speaker 4: not a thing most people have heard of before. Georgia

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Speaker 4: and I grew up, we've had our traumas, we've had

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Speaker 4: our times, and the way we learn to cope is

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Speaker 4: through humor. And we also learn to cope by reading

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Speaker 4: and rule books and looking at websites with fucked up,

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Speaker 4: horrible things that happen to other people on them, and

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Speaker 4: empathizing and wondering and making plans. Yep. And so that

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Speaker 4: might be a combination that's upsetting for most people. We

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Speaker 4: just want you to know, if you're concerned, we do

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Speaker 4: not think that murder is funny. We think we're funny.

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Speaker 4: And other than that, if you don't like it, you

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Speaker 1: We also realized today, after 10 years of touring, that

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Speaker 1: we've never told you guys that we don't know each

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Speaker 1: other's stories. Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 4: People who listen all the time know this, but when

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Speaker 4: Georgia tells me this story right now, I've never heard it.

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Speaker 2: It's not like she sends it to me and I

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Speaker 4: It's as new for me as it is for you.

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Speaker 1: And the people we work with will tell you how

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Speaker 1: fucking annoying that is for all of them to have

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Speaker 1: If you're the one who gives it away, it's not good.

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Speaker 1: Look what happened to Steven. Oh.

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Speaker 4: That's why Stephen's at the 50th anniversary of Jaws and

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Speaker 4: not here tonight with us. Sorry.

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Speaker 1: Sorry you can't be here with these insane women. These ones,

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Speaker 1: not you guys. These ones, not you guys.

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Speaker 4: No one else. All right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 4: So this one.

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Speaker 1: This one, it got pitched to me, and it's a

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Speaker 1: that's really weird that you're pitching it, because I've actually

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Speaker 1: witnessed this phenomenon myself. Tonight's story is, it's a classic Texas, Texas?

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Speaker 1: Texas instruments?

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Speaker 4: Texas.

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Speaker 1: Texas. Texas story. All right, Karen, it's a dark night

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Speaker 1: in 1883. Okay. You love it. And 23-year-old Robert Reed

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Speaker 1: Ellison is driving cattle to a ranch on Mitchell's Flat,

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what it is? We didn't do our

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Speaker 4: We didn't. Yeah, yeah. I love New York.

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Speaker 2: I need New York. I love, I need, you need

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Speaker 1: I didn't do my vocal exercise of taking a beta blocker, so...

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Speaker 1: That's what's going on here.

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Speaker 2: She's just out there on the edge.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Established, newly established railroad in the town of Marfa, Texas.

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Speaker 2: Oh, mixed reviews on Marfa.

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Speaker 1: While heading through Paisano Pass, he spots a series of

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Speaker 1: strange glowing orbs on the horizon. The flickering white lights

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Speaker 2: Jesus?

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Speaker 4: Jesus. Jesus Christ himself?

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Speaker 1: No, it's 1883. They didn't have that yet, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a Bible student. When he goes to look

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Speaker 1: these orbs. There's no people, there's no ashes, there's no footprints. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: it's not the headlights of a car. It's 1883, guys.

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Speaker 1: Other settlers and railroad workers report the same sightings. Mysterious

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Speaker 1: multicolored orbs hovering the desert just outside of Marfa. Cattlemen

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Speaker 2: Sorry, what?

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Speaker 1: Distances deceptive.

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Speaker 1: Deceptive distances. My new band. So catching the lights is impossible.

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Speaker 1: More than a hundred years later, these same lights still

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Speaker 1: And yet these glowing orbs remain as hotly contested a

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 4: I've never heard of that.

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: I have sat on a truck.

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Speaker 4: Hood.

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Speaker 1: Is that how cars go? And seen them myself.

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Speaker 4: Are you serious?

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Speaker 1: I swear.

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Speaker 2: And they're not fireflies?

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Speaker 1: They're not fireflies. Okay. Let me actually, let me explain.

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Speaker 4: What if I solve the Marfa ghost lights tonight?

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Speaker 1: Oh, shit.

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Speaker 2: With just a very simple suggestion.

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Speaker 1: It was just two fireflies.

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Speaker 4: Just two fireflies hanging out.

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Speaker 1: Well, real quick, the main sources for this story are

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Speaker 1: articles from the History Channel, Visit Marfa and the Texas

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Speaker 2: Cat toy thing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, like a cat toy, but it's not.

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Speaker 1: And then they move unexpectedly in a way that can

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Speaker 1: we have spent many nights sitting on the porch, drinking wine,

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Speaker 1: And it is like something you would see out of,

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Speaker 1: what was that, Unsolved Mysteries. It's just really weird. They're

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Speaker 2: And Kay's not scared.

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Speaker 1: It's not scary. No, no.

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Speaker 4: It's just like lights.

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Speaker 1: It's just lights. I think we have a photo of them.

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Speaker 1: Unless it's your photo.

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Speaker 1: Ooh. So they like, they ping up and around and

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Speaker 2: And we're sure that's not a Jaguar?

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Speaker 4: 1883.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean, yeah, it looks like,

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Speaker 2: Did you take this picture?

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Speaker 1: I absolutely did not.

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Speaker 1: So, mm-mm-mm. As most of you probably know, Marfa is

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Speaker 1: Robert Ellison records his first sighting of the flickering lights.

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Speaker 1: So before ranching and the railroad become big business, Marfa

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Speaker 1: The Muscalero, excuse me, Apache, are telling stories of ghostly campfires,

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Speaker 1: So way before we came along and were like, we

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Speaker 1: The lights were sometimes said to guide the spirits of

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Speaker 2: Similar.

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Speaker 1: You're fine. Thank you. Interpreted. This is the fucking menopause tour.

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Speaker 2: It certainly is.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what to do about it.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Right? It should be brought to you by estradiol, not Uncrustables, but...

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Speaker 1: I don't do self-care.

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Speaker 4: What if Uncrustables were the cure for menopause, and this

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Speaker 2: We discover it.

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Speaker 1: That would be problematic. On many levels, right? In some tales,

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Speaker 1: It's the same lights, I bet. Probably. Another story follows

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Speaker 1: Some Pueblo stories describe it as wandering stars or dancing lights.

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Speaker 1: And to the indigenous people of Marfa, lights in the

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Speaker 1: It was only in the 20th century that white settlers

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Speaker 4: Boo.

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Speaker 1: And start coming up with all kinds of theories. So

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Speaker 1: in the early 1920s and 30s, the Marfa lights are

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Speaker 2: That's a good one, right?

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Speaker 1: So fast. Feel me. Feel my neck.

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Speaker 4: Is it hot?

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Speaker 2: It's... I'm... Oh, no.

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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Just ignore it.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Some early observers think that the lights could be

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Speaker 1: And because it's so freaking hot in the desert.

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Speaker 2: It's quite hot here.

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Speaker 1: It's hot here.

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Speaker 4: It's hot here.

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Speaker 1: The desert's intense heat during the day, followed by cool nights.

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Speaker 1: They think it creates layers of hot and cold air,

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Because, you know, we're scientists.

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Speaker 2: That's what I've always said.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You've always hypothesized that.

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Speaker 4: Constantly hypothesizing, no one will listen.

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Speaker 1: This bending of light could cause distant car headlights, campfires,

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: In that one video. Cheryl Crow, thank you very much.

460
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 4: This is weird, we have glasses of water tonight.

461
00:20:38,340 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 2: I know.

462
00:20:38,940 --> 00:20:40,139
Speaker 4: This feels dangerous.

463
00:20:40,220 --> 00:20:47,660
Speaker 1: I feel like we're on NPR or something. These aren't plastic,

464
00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:50,740
Speaker 1: these are glass. No, these are absolutely crystal. Smash it,

465
00:20:50,820 --> 00:20:55,070
Speaker 1: see if it's... Smash it! But of course there weren't

466
00:20:55,090 --> 00:20:58,390
Speaker 1: roads and cars then, so that doesn't make any sense, right?

467
00:20:58,810 --> 00:20:59,050
Speaker 4: Yes.

468
00:21:00,050 --> 00:21:00,369
Speaker 1: Thank you.

469
00:21:01,030 --> 00:21:02,930
Speaker 2: We said yes and no at the same time.

470
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:04,310
Speaker 4: Who knows?

471
00:21:04,330 --> 00:21:05,550
Speaker 1: But we meant the same thing.

472
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:05,699
Speaker 4: Yes.

473
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,909
Speaker 1: Which is what's so ironic. Another early proposal is that

474
00:21:09,950 --> 00:21:13,869
Speaker 1: the lights are products of big, shiny mica bed. Mica

475
00:21:13,930 --> 00:21:15,010
Speaker 1: or mica? Mica.

476
00:21:15,030 --> 00:21:15,690
Speaker 4: I think mica. Yeah.

477
00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:18,010
Speaker 1: That's my nephew's name. I should know that. But it's

478
00:21:18,109 --> 00:21:20,530
Speaker 1: not spelled the same way. So don't, I'm not a

479
00:21:20,530 --> 00:21:21,070
Speaker 1: bad auntie.

480
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:25,430
Speaker 4: It's also my favorite L'Oreal lipstick from the 80s. Remember mica?

481
00:21:25,450 --> 00:21:27,190
Speaker 4: It's kind of shimmery purple.

482
00:21:27,210 --> 00:21:30,290
Speaker 1: We got mica lipstick. We got legs. What else do

483
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:30,630
Speaker 1: we got?

484
00:21:30,670 --> 00:21:33,050
Speaker 4: We'll keep naming shit. Don't you worry.

485
00:21:36,260 --> 00:21:39,090
Speaker 1: And so, like, maybe it's mineral deposits, that sort of thing.

486
00:21:39,690 --> 00:21:43,070
Speaker 1: Then on the non-scientific side, other people believe that the

487
00:21:43,130 --> 00:21:47,619
Speaker 1: lights are will-o'-the-wisps. Have you heard of that? Mm-hmm. Like, yeah?

488
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,820
Speaker 1: You're from the country? Is it a country thing?

489
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,139
Speaker 2: I was lying, sorry.

490
00:21:52,619 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 4: I don't know why I did that. It just felt

491
00:21:53,940 --> 00:21:57,239
Speaker 4: like I was supposed to. Is Will of the Wisps

492
00:21:57,330 --> 00:22:00,210
Speaker 4: something to do with fairies or a natural?

493
00:22:00,230 --> 00:22:04,710
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. Atmospheric ghost lights that appear at night,

494
00:22:04,810 --> 00:22:10,109
Speaker 1: especially over marshes and swamps. In folklore, like that great album,

495
00:22:10,210 --> 00:22:17,090
Speaker 1: they are often described as mischievous. You like that?

496
00:22:17,150 --> 00:22:19,190
Speaker 4: Yep, you set off the Swifties. That's genius.

497
00:22:19,210 --> 00:22:19,330
Speaker 3: Yes.

498
00:22:20,830 --> 00:22:22,850
Speaker 4: Genius crossover.

499
00:22:22,869 --> 00:22:25,409
Speaker 1: I was in the car with my little younger nephews

500
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:28,470
Speaker 1: the other day and they couldn't stop talking about Fortnite.

501
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:29,650
Speaker 1: And I was like.

502
00:22:29,790 --> 00:22:30,210
Speaker 3: Oh yeah?

503
00:22:30,250 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: Have I put Fortnite on? And they were like, this

504
00:22:31,780 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 1: is not what we're fucking talking about.

505
00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:36,060
Speaker 4: And I was like, I know, but it's the same word.

506
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 1: Isn't that exciting? And they're like, who is this lady?

507
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:43,229
Speaker 2: Will of the Wisps.

508
00:22:43,410 --> 00:22:47,340
Speaker 1: Yes, Will of the Wisps, they're scientifically, they're mischievous or

509
00:22:47,380 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: malevolent spirits leading travelers astray is, yes, exactly what you said.

510
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,510
Speaker 4: They're like, come over here into this weird Prada store

511
00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:59,150
Speaker 4: out in the middle of nowhere. It's crazy, you won't

512
00:22:59,170 --> 00:22:59,550
Speaker 4: believe it.

513
00:23:02,330 --> 00:23:06,190
Speaker 1: Scientifically, Will of the Wisps, Will-O-the-Wisps, what?

514
00:23:06,340 --> 00:23:07,620
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to pronounce it like that.

515
00:23:08,510 --> 00:23:10,930
Speaker 1: Are usually explained by the oxidation of, you guys know this,

516
00:23:10,970 --> 00:23:15,290
Speaker 1: gases produced by decaying organic matter, like swamp gas. You

517
00:23:15,310 --> 00:23:15,869
Speaker 1: know what I mean?

518
00:23:15,910 --> 00:23:16,190
Speaker 4: Sure.

519
00:23:16,510 --> 00:23:19,690
Speaker 1: But both of these theories have been debunked as West

520
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: Texas desert conditions are typically too dry and lack the

521
00:23:22,780 --> 00:23:27,859
Speaker 1: organic matter to produce significant... Are there scientists here? Humidity... I.

522
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 4: Think there's a scientist right there.

523
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,020
Speaker 1: Hey! Hey! Say it.

524
00:23:32,220 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 4: So you're basically saying no bogs in Texas.

525
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:36,379
Speaker 2: We don't get to have those.

526
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,020
Speaker 1: That is a country song. There's no bogs in Texas.

527
00:23:39,060 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 4: There are no bogs in Texas. Yes.

528
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 1: She got it.

529
00:23:46,460 --> 00:23:51,190
Speaker 4: We will hit every audience like claptrap button we can.

530
00:23:51,270 --> 00:23:53,570
Speaker 2: That's right. In a theater this big, we don't give

531
00:23:53,630 --> 00:23:53,910
Speaker 2: a shit.

532
00:23:53,930 --> 00:23:54,710
Speaker 4: There's no shame.

533
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:57,710
Speaker 1: I mean, if you don't know, there's no shame in

534
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:58,690
Speaker 1: this podcast by now.

535
00:23:59,190 --> 00:24:01,010
Speaker 4: You're new. Wow, you're new. You're brand new.

536
00:24:01,030 --> 00:24:02,990
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming and giving us a chance.

537
00:24:03,890 --> 00:24:04,410
Speaker 4: Sorry.

538
00:24:05,260 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: And sorry. And we're sorry. Also, it could be St.

539
00:24:08,340 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: Elmo's Fire, which is a great movie. Yeah.

540
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 4: Just somebody playing that way in the distance is like,

541
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 4: wait a second, is that Rob Lowe playing the saxophone?

542
00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 4: Or a Willow the Wisp.

543
00:24:19,420 --> 00:24:19,490
Speaker 3: Yes.

544
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:25,380
Speaker 1: Yes. Then the Roswell incident happens. UFOs, we love them.

545
00:24:26,060 --> 00:24:29,660
Speaker 1: That happens in 1947, and locals wonder if the Marfa lights. Finally,

546
00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: we get to spacecrafts and aliens. We love them.

547
00:24:34,220 --> 00:24:34,900
Speaker 4: You do. I do.

548
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,860
Speaker 1: That's right. Due to their unexplained movement, obviously, and glowing appearance,

549
00:24:39,180 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 1: many UFO enthusiasts claim that the Marfa lights are aliens

550
00:24:42,580 --> 00:24:46,340
Speaker 1: monitoring the Earth or using it as a secret landing spot. But, like,

551
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,940
Speaker 1: it's really obvious. They're not hiding it. It's not, like, secret.

552
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: You know?

553
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,380
Speaker 4: And also, if they're monitoring us, fucking do something. Like, seriously.

554
00:24:56,619 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 3: Right.

555
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,500
Speaker 4: Let's stop the auditing. Fucking step in.

556
00:25:01,420 --> 00:25:05,890
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like, they're the cutest aliens. They're like, well,

557
00:25:05,950 --> 00:25:08,090
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? They're doing something adorable for

558
00:25:08,290 --> 00:25:09,570
Speaker 1: hundreds of fucking years.

559
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:13,169
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're flying over us being so adorable, and they're like, ew,

560
00:25:13,210 --> 00:25:15,030
Speaker 4: what are they doing to each other?

561
00:25:15,550 --> 00:25:19,530
Speaker 2: Why are they like this to each other? Oh, seriously.

562
00:25:20,750 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: So I'm going to go with UFO. But it is

563
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,980
Speaker 1: fucking weird. Like not every night, but almost every night,

564
00:25:27,380 --> 00:25:30,260
Speaker 1: these twin little and sometimes more lights.

565
00:25:30,340 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: So it's always two or more?

566
00:25:31,540 --> 00:25:33,420
Speaker 1: Yeah, or just two.

567
00:25:33,740 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 4: Okay.

568
00:25:35,380 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: I saw two. Everything I saw was two, but people

569
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:40,970
Speaker 1: have said they've seen more. Okay. And it's just so mysterious.

570
00:25:41,150 --> 00:25:45,410
Speaker 1: And then in July 1957, a writer named Paul Moran

571
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:48,490
Speaker 1: writes an article called The Mystery of the Texas Ghost

572
00:25:48,550 --> 00:25:50,810
Speaker 1: Light in Coronet Magazine.

573
00:25:50,830 --> 00:25:54,750
Speaker 2: I love that one. I love trumpets and I always have.

574
00:25:56,450 --> 00:26:00,709
Speaker 1: And this spreads the word about this phenomenon in tiny

575
00:26:00,770 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: Texas town, in a tiny Texas town.

576
00:26:03,540 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 4: Why'd you say phenomenon like that?

577
00:26:05,140 --> 00:26:07,379
Speaker 1: I don't know. Because I was like, what if you

578
00:26:07,420 --> 00:26:09,580
Speaker 1: say this douchey and you don't know it until this

579
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,860
Speaker 1: fucking moment? You know what I mean? I've never said

580
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: it like in front of a fucking audience. Phenomenon. Right.

581
00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 4: Wait, can I tell the story about Jackie Beat making

582
00:26:18,420 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 4: the best joke of all time?

583
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:20,899
Speaker 2: It was my first writing job.

584
00:26:21,260 --> 00:26:25,540
Speaker 4: There's an amazing drag queen named Jackie Beat, who was

585
00:26:25,580 --> 00:26:29,260
Speaker 4: one of the staff members. You might know her. And

586
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,540
Speaker 4: we were trying to write jokes about the John Travolta movie, Phenomenon.

587
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,580
Speaker 4: And somebody pitched a very terrible joke, and Jackie goes, oh,

588
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,820
Speaker 4: come on, Phenomenon. And I was like, well, I'm never

589
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 4: going to say anything funnier than that, so.

590
00:26:48,550 --> 00:26:54,379
Speaker 1: So in 1971, minimalist artist Donald Judd visits Marfa and

591
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: decides to relocate there, buying buildings and land for large-scale

592
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: art installations. And this is kind of when Marfa starts

593
00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:04,580
Speaker 1: to become the Marfa we all know and love. Have

594
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,670
Speaker 1: you guys been to Marfa? A lot of people here? Yeah.

595
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:11,050
Speaker 1: Is it like your summer vacation road trip with your parents?

596
00:27:11,150 --> 00:27:14,390
Speaker 1: And you're like, I don't fucking... This is embarrassing.

597
00:27:14,410 --> 00:27:17,109
Speaker 4: I like that you're like, have you guys been to Marfa?

598
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:23,100
Speaker 4: Have you, have you 2000 or 3000 people been to Marfa?

599
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,909
Speaker 1: I'm from like Southern California and I've never been to Catalina.

600
00:27:26,930 --> 00:27:28,870
Speaker 1: Like that's fucking weird.

601
00:27:28,990 --> 00:27:29,830
Speaker 4: I don't know.

602
00:27:30,030 --> 00:27:31,969
Speaker 2: What's your problem?

603
00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:34,890
Speaker 1: But so like Marfa to me reminds me of like,

604
00:27:34,930 --> 00:27:36,990
Speaker 1: if you haven't gone, you just don't go. It's like

605
00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:39,449
Speaker 1: a very specific place to go to. It's not like

606
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:42,390
Speaker 1: you're driving through to somewhere else and end up there. Right.

607
00:27:42,570 --> 00:27:43,590
Speaker 4: It doesn't lead to anywhere.

608
00:27:44,650 --> 00:27:46,169
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very specific.

609
00:27:46,290 --> 00:27:49,490
Speaker 4: That's the first time an audience has, in unison, said

610
00:27:49,650 --> 00:27:50,090
Speaker 4: one answer.

611
00:27:50,109 --> 00:27:50,910
Speaker 1: That's so true.

612
00:27:51,270 --> 00:27:52,149
Speaker 4: It doesn't lead anywhere?

613
00:27:52,450 --> 00:27:53,150
Speaker 3: No.

614
00:27:53,170 --> 00:27:56,929
Speaker 1: No. We hate it. We had to go for field trips.

615
00:28:00,750 --> 00:28:02,530
Speaker 1: It's scary. Thank you.

616
00:28:03,790 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 4: Let's not give individual opinions about Mark. You already said no.

617
00:28:10,140 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: Um so this dude donald judd goes out and it

618
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:16,659
Speaker 1: changes the landscape landscape of marfa attracting artists photographers and

619
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: writers um and at the same time the university of

620
00:28:20,540 --> 00:28:24,350
Speaker 1: texas researchers conduct studies on the marfa lights you can

621
00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:25,910
Speaker 1: cheer for your yeah yeah.

622
00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:32,590
Speaker 4: The fighting oh we're bulldozers.

623
00:28:33,869 --> 00:28:34,869
Speaker 2: We haven't done that one in.

624
00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:35,190
Speaker 4: A long time.

625
00:28:35,230 --> 00:28:36,890
Speaker 1: We haven't done that one in a long time.

626
00:28:36,910 --> 00:28:37,970
Speaker 4: Yeah.

627
00:28:38,050 --> 00:28:40,130
Speaker 1: I was thinking on our way here, like driving through

628
00:28:40,150 --> 00:28:42,830
Speaker 1: a college campus and being like, for two girls who

629
00:28:42,890 --> 00:28:45,550
Speaker 1: dropped out of college, this is pretty fucking cool. Yeah.

630
00:28:46,410 --> 00:28:49,780
Speaker 1: Can't kick us off campus. You could.

631
00:28:50,020 --> 00:28:50,210
Speaker 4: Yeah.

632
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to challenge anyone. Okay. So the University

633
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: of Texas researchers are conducting studies on the Marfa lights

634
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,010
Speaker 1: and now visitors are coming from all over and staking

635
00:29:02,170 --> 00:29:05,250
Speaker 1: out informal viewing areas to find the best views of it.

636
00:29:05,270 --> 00:29:07,860
Speaker 1: So people are finding out about it, and it's getting exciting.

637
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:09,700
Speaker 1: And I think the air turned on, and I really

638
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Breathe again. It's become such a hot topic

639
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: that the El Paso Times reports, quote.

640
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:24,410
Speaker 4: Really? It's that good? I love this newspaper.

641
00:29:24,430 --> 00:29:24,510
Speaker 3: Snap.

642
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,310
Speaker 1: Some people, they say, quote, some people in small towns

643
00:29:31,420 --> 00:29:34,570
Speaker 1: fight about which town has the best looking women, which

644
00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:38,590
Speaker 1: town has the best football team, or which town has

645
00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: the most to do. after 7 p.m. But down around

646
00:29:42,450 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: Alpine and Marfa, the people fight about whether the lights

647
00:29:45,140 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: are caused by something natural or if they're caused from

648
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: little people from somewhere else, end quote.

649
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 4: That's very biased writing right there.

650
00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: They clearly chose the first.

651
00:29:57,490 --> 00:29:57,630
Speaker 4: Oh.

652
00:29:58,260 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: Is it caused by something natural?

653
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:02,740
Speaker 4: Right. Little people doing this and that.

654
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: It's a little condescending.

655
00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: I think so.

656
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:05,780
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I hear that.

657
00:30:06,260 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: Who was that writer?

658
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 4: Just call them on the phone.

659
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: Someone from El Paso Times who's been lost to history.

660
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:17,980
Speaker 4: Oh. But we have. There he is.

661
00:30:18,670 --> 00:30:19,450
Speaker 1: So his car truck.

662
00:30:19,470 --> 00:30:21,230
Speaker 4: Little hat with the press card right there.

663
00:30:21,370 --> 00:30:24,110
Speaker 1: Aw. One of those cigarette, cigar cigarettes.

664
00:30:24,130 --> 00:30:24,910
Speaker 4: All right, I got the story.

665
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: As car traffic increases, skeptics continually suggest, they won't shut

666
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: the fuck up, that distant headlights are refracting in the atmosphere.

667
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:36,300
Speaker 2: They're not.

668
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,740
Speaker 1: I bet you they're not. They're not. Unless they were

669
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,510
Speaker 1: on stagecoaches, I'm going to go ahead and say no,

670
00:30:41,550 --> 00:30:42,030
Speaker 1: they're not.

671
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:44,170
Speaker 2: Distant lanterns refracting.

672
00:30:44,930 --> 00:30:49,190
Speaker 1: No, it's not. This explanation... obviously doesn't work. And also

673
00:30:49,230 --> 00:30:52,270
Speaker 1: the lights change colors. The single light splits into a

674
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:55,130
Speaker 1: bunch of different lights. I mean, it really looks like

675
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:58,660
Speaker 1: someone's having a campfire behind the mountains and sparks are

676
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,660
Speaker 1: coming off of the campfire, but huge, but like big

677
00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:03,390
Speaker 1: and they're having a lot of fun doing it.

678
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,220
Speaker 4: It's cute.

679
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,140
Speaker 1: It's actually kind of cute.

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00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,220
Speaker 2: Finally, a campfire can have fun.

681
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: A cute campfire. I miss my cats. Okay.

682
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,340
Speaker 4: Thanks a lot, Marfa.

683
00:31:19,470 --> 00:31:21,860
Speaker 1: I did almost start crying when someone had one of

684
00:31:21,890 --> 00:31:26,380
Speaker 1: my cats on their shirt last night. I know. Okay.

685
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,219
Speaker 1: In the early 80s, a physicist at University of Texas

686
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: at Dallas. Yeah. His name was also Donald. Uh-oh. The fighting.

687
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:39,540
Speaker 3: No, no, no.

688
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,740
Speaker 1: The squabbling.

689
00:31:41,780 --> 00:31:42,340
Speaker 2: Pitchforks.

690
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: Yep. That's right. Donald Bicknell conducts controlled observations in the area,

691
00:31:50,660 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: includes that most lights correlated with car headlights and ranch

692
00:31:54,460 --> 00:31:57,340
Speaker 1: lights from miles away. Other people are like, no, dude,

693
00:31:57,540 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: you're wrong. And it's just, you know, I keep telling

694
00:32:00,940 --> 00:32:03,020
Speaker 1: you guys over and over again. It doesn't make sense.

695
00:32:03,180 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: It doesn't fucking make sense. In 1890, nope, in 1987. Different, different.

696
00:32:06,740 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: I caught myself. The town launches a now annual Marfa

697
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,860
Speaker 1: Lights Festival. Because anything that happens, we need a festival

698
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: about it.

699
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: You have to do a festival about it.

700
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: We insist. You see a corndog on the ground?

701
00:32:21,260 --> 00:32:23,219
Speaker 4: It's the corndog festival.

702
00:32:23,260 --> 00:32:28,710
Speaker 1: Corndog times. Where enthusiasts share their experiences seeing the lights

703
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:32,770
Speaker 1: at storytelling sessions and local ranchers, artists, and residents lead

704
00:32:32,830 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: guided trips around. So Marfa's population is around 2,000, but

705
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,620
Speaker 1: thousands of people come to town to try to get

706
00:32:38,660 --> 00:32:39,100
Speaker 1: a glimpse.

707
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:42,490
Speaker 4: So the locals fucking hate it. I hear you.

708
00:32:42,510 --> 00:32:45,870
Speaker 1: I do think they probably aren't big fans. It's actually

709
00:32:45,910 --> 00:32:52,870
Speaker 1: a big destination for art, and your favorite activity? Glamping. Glamping. No,

710
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:54,530
Speaker 1: she doesn't like it.

711
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:56,690
Speaker 2: When you started that word, I was like, what the

712
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: fuck could this be?

713
00:32:58,940 --> 00:33:00,260
Speaker 1: Glam something.

714
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:00,380
Speaker 4: Glam.

715
00:33:01,810 --> 00:33:04,150
Speaker 1: They've been referenced, the lights have been referenced in a

716
00:33:04,410 --> 00:33:08,110
Speaker 1: song by the Rolling Stones and on TV shows and

717
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: shows like The Simpsons, King of the Hill and Tripping

718
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,140
Speaker 1: Out with Ali and Georgia from 2013 on the Cooking Channel.

719
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:17,219
Speaker 4: We went to Marfa.

720
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,660
Speaker 1: We had this show, my friend Ali Ward and I

721
00:33:19,700 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: had this show where we travel the country and we

722
00:33:21,940 --> 00:33:24,300
Speaker 1: eat food at little places and trip out. We were

723
00:33:24,340 --> 00:33:26,580
Speaker 1: going on a trip, get it? And we were like, Marfa,

724
00:33:26,620 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: let's go there. And it was really fun. And we

725
00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:33,820
Speaker 1: saw the lights and we wore vintage dresses and that's it.

726
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:34,540
Speaker 4: Incredible.

727
00:33:34,620 --> 00:33:35,020
Speaker 1: Thank you.

728
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:35,780
Speaker 4: Good job.

729
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: Thank you. And you can find it on the, you

730
00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:42,190
Speaker 1: can find that episode in the depths of the internet. Real,

731
00:33:42,290 --> 00:33:44,770
Speaker 1: real deep. If you really look, if you want to look.

732
00:33:44,790 --> 00:33:45,330
Speaker 2: They'll find it.

733
00:33:45,490 --> 00:33:48,510
Speaker 1: They'll find it. In the early 2000s, a group of

734
00:33:48,750 --> 00:33:51,770
Speaker 1: gifted and talented high school students. I don't know why

735
00:33:51,790 --> 00:33:52,410
Speaker 1: I laughed at that.

736
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:55,590
Speaker 4: Because we've always laughed at them. Yes.

737
00:33:56,770 --> 00:33:59,410
Speaker 1: Because we weren't them, and so we're a little bitter.

738
00:33:59,430 --> 00:34:01,820
Speaker 2: We're very hurt and embarrassed and ashamed.

739
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: They convinced the Texas Department of Transportation to build an

740
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,500
Speaker 1: official viewing center. And in 2003, the Martha Mystery Lights

741
00:34:13,580 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: Viewing Center opens, and thousands of visitors come every year.

742
00:34:17,620 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: I think we have a plaque to show you.

743
00:34:19,820 --> 00:34:21,740
Speaker 4: Well, well, well.

744
00:34:21,820 --> 00:34:22,859
Speaker 1: There's a plaque.

745
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,700
Speaker 4: And that's the viewing center, that RV right back there.

746
00:34:26,580 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 4: Come on in. Giddy in. I love that. So a

747
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 4: group of gifted and talented students went and they're like,

748
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 4: we'd like to speak to you about a viewing center

749
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,450
Speaker 4: right now. And it actually worked.

750
00:34:39,630 --> 00:34:40,850
Speaker 1: It did work. Yeah. Yeah.

751
00:34:41,870 --> 00:34:42,390
Speaker 4: Nerds.

752
00:34:44,770 --> 00:34:50,370
Speaker 1: From 2004 to 2008, a Texas State University study uses spectros.

753
00:34:51,070 --> 00:34:52,029
Speaker 4: Texas State. Yeah.

754
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,650
Speaker 1: Oh, no, no, no, no. The raging... Alcoholics.

755
00:34:59,810 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: Alcoholics.

756
00:35:09,540 --> 00:35:13,270
Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. There's a My Favorite Murder cocktail here tonight. Oh, shit.

757
00:35:13,290 --> 00:35:14,170
Speaker 1: Are you guys okay?

758
00:35:14,330 --> 00:35:14,910
Speaker 4: Was it good?

759
00:35:15,350 --> 00:35:15,770
Speaker 1: Was it good?

760
00:35:15,790 --> 00:35:16,549
Speaker 3: How are you?

761
00:35:16,590 --> 00:35:19,590
Speaker 1: She's holding her empty glass. You got a lot of

762
00:35:19,630 --> 00:35:20,549
Speaker 1: cups being held up.

763
00:35:21,469 --> 00:35:24,340
Speaker 4: Nice. This is going to start to be like a

764
00:35:24,380 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 4: Jimmy Buffett concert, and I can't wait.

765
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,580
Speaker 1: What's a Jimmy Buffett concert like? I truly don't know.

766
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: I'm not sure because I'm so stoned when I'm there.

767
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 4: Oh, God. Busting my flip-flop. You know.

768
00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: Got it. So they use spectroscopic analysis, mapping light sources

769
00:35:43,940 --> 00:35:49,140
Speaker 1: to vehicle locations. Similarly to early studies, they find the lights, again,

770
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: they're wrong.

771
00:35:49,860 --> 00:35:50,310
Speaker 4: Not connected.

772
00:35:50,370 --> 00:35:52,730
Speaker 1: It's not going to get, there's strong evidence that most

773
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:56,110
Speaker 1: modern day sightings are a combination of man-made light sources,

774
00:35:56,410 --> 00:35:59,990
Speaker 1: mostly headlights being refracted into the air. But we here,

775
00:36:00,510 --> 00:36:02,550
Speaker 1: my favorite murder, say no.

776
00:36:02,610 --> 00:36:04,190
Speaker 4: We scientifically know better.

777
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:06,410
Speaker 1: Yeah, we scientifically nope that shit.

778
00:36:06,450 --> 00:36:06,910
Speaker 4: Yeah, nope.

779
00:36:07,469 --> 00:36:10,610
Speaker 1: But some local artists insist on sightings in areas and

780
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,980
Speaker 1: times with no possible traffic. And of course, Robert Ellison,

781
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: back in 1883, certainly hadn't seen any cars in the

782
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: desert that night before Marfa itself became the place to

783
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,739
Speaker 1: be in 1883. Hey, wait, that rhymes.

784
00:36:24,020 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: Sing it.

785
00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:28,700
Speaker 1: The plaque at the Marfa Lights Viewing Center details that

786
00:36:28,739 --> 00:36:31,660
Speaker 1: despite more than 100 years and more than 75 folk

787
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:35,050
Speaker 1: tales about their origins... The Marfa ghost lights remain a

788
00:36:35,290 --> 00:36:38,770
Speaker 1: fascinating unsolved mystery. And that is the story of the

789
00:36:38,830 --> 00:36:42,910
Speaker 1: Marfa ghost lights. Thank you.

790
00:36:45,730 --> 00:36:50,819
Speaker 4: I just love, it's, I just love the way they're

791
00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 4: just like, and then 40 years later they study it

792
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 4: and they're like, it's cars. And it's like, no, it's not.

793
00:36:57,180 --> 00:36:59,580
Speaker 1: We refuse. Let me tell you how many times they

794
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: studied it and said it was cars. That's my story tonight.

795
00:37:03,989 --> 00:37:04,689
Speaker 4: That's very cool.

796
00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:05,489
Speaker 2: Now I want to see that.

797
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:06,569
Speaker 1: They're beautiful. They're really cool.

798
00:37:06,830 --> 00:37:08,830
Speaker 4: I like that people aren't scared of them. They're like,

799
00:37:09,210 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 4: I drink wine, and if we're being attacked by aliens.

800
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:12,450
Speaker 2: So be it.

801
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:20,259
Speaker 1: They like, whoa, what's a tailgated phenomenon? You guys love tailgating.

802
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: That's what I heard.

803
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm in the transitional period to get ready for

804
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 4: my own story.

805
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: It's your turn now.

806
00:37:32,030 --> 00:37:34,230
Speaker 4: I stopped listening to you three minutes ago.

807
00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:36,730
Speaker 1: I know. I recognize the look in your eyes from

808
00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:42,090
Speaker 1: my own. It's this, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, shit, shit.

809
00:37:42,130 --> 00:37:43,489
Speaker 1: Do I know where I am? What am I doing?

810
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:43,590
Speaker 3: Okay.

811
00:37:43,950 --> 00:37:45,620
Speaker 1: I'm here for it.

812
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,500
Speaker 2: Thank you.

813
00:37:47,180 --> 00:37:47,940
Speaker 1: Great job. Thank you.

814
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,270
Speaker 4: I really liked that one. Thank you.

815
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:50,660
Speaker 2: It was good.

816
00:37:52,739 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 4: Guys, we've got to solve this mystery before the world ends.

817
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,390
Speaker 4: My story tonight is very different than the Marfa ghost lights.

818
00:38:01,550 --> 00:38:05,190
Speaker 4: It begins 111 years ago on, I don't know if

819
00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:10,350
Speaker 4: this math is right, on November 12th, 1914. Okay. Sounds right.

820
00:38:10,469 --> 00:38:10,890
Speaker 1: Sounds right.

821
00:38:11,489 --> 00:38:14,009
Speaker 2: A few miles south of downtown San Antonio.

822
00:38:14,030 --> 00:38:22,180
Speaker 4: Wow. They love it there. They love that river. In

823
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 4: a modest cottage once shared by two young nurses, both

824
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,350
Speaker 4: named Emma. So one of these Emmas had recently got married,

825
00:38:30,430 --> 00:38:34,589
Speaker 4: someone knows, and they moved out, but she came back

826
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 4: to visit her old roommate, Emma. So around four o'clock

827
00:38:38,910 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 4: that afternoon, they're having a visit, and the newly married

828
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,660
Speaker 4: Emma runs to the neighbor's house screaming and begging for help.

829
00:38:45,980 --> 00:38:49,580
Speaker 4: And as she does, two gunshots ring out from the cottage.

830
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 4: The neighbors rush over, fearing that the other Emma has

831
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:58,110
Speaker 4: been shot. Instead, they find The single Emma, seemingly in shock,

832
00:38:58,330 --> 00:39:01,390
Speaker 4: bleeding from a slashed wrist and kneeling beside the body

833
00:39:01,410 --> 00:39:04,150
Speaker 4: of a dead man, sprawled on the floor. When the

834
00:39:04,170 --> 00:39:06,820
Speaker 4: authorities arrive, they learn the dead man is one of

835
00:39:06,860 --> 00:39:11,259
Speaker 4: the richest businessmen in Texas. He's also married, and this

836
00:39:11,300 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 4: may seem a little lazy, but his wife is also

837
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 4: named Emma.

838
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,090
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right.

839
00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 4: That's right.

840
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. So we're going to go Emma one, two,

841
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 1: and three.

842
00:39:20,940 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 4: That's fucking right on. Right.

843
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:23,450
Speaker 2: The entire time.

844
00:39:23,860 --> 00:39:26,350
Speaker 4: These are the first moments of a very Texas true

845
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 4: crime story filled with lies, love, murder, beer. and featuring

846
00:39:31,260 --> 00:39:34,420
Speaker 4: the recurring theme of most of these stories, an awful

847
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,819
Speaker 4: husband slash boyfriend slash side piece. This is the story

848
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:41,989
Speaker 4: of the murder of San Antonio businessman Otto Kaler and

849
00:39:42,070 --> 00:39:43,410
Speaker 4: the three Emmas in his life.

850
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:43,549
Speaker 3: Wow.

851
00:39:43,570 --> 00:39:48,930
Speaker 1: Wow. I don't know this one, and I didn't know

852
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:51,969
Speaker 1: this one, as you know, because we didn't know each

853
00:39:52,030 --> 00:39:52,590
Speaker 1: other's stories.

854
00:39:52,690 --> 00:39:53,149
Speaker 2: That's right.

855
00:39:53,550 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 4: Everything's a wonderful surprise. The sources that we used in

856
00:39:59,340 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 4: this story today are reporting by the legendary Texas writer

857
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:07,569
Speaker 4: Joe Hawley, Money, Murder, Sex, and Beer by Robert L.

858
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:08,109
Speaker 1: Gulley.

859
00:40:09,870 --> 00:40:10,609
Speaker 2: People love beer.

860
00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 4: And the rest... are in our future show notes that

861
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,299
Speaker 4: don't exist right now, but will at some time. Look

862
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 4: them up when they exist. When they exist, please, and

863
00:40:18,820 --> 00:40:23,529
Speaker 4: no sooner. Now, let's start with Otto Kahler's backstory. He's

864
00:40:23,570 --> 00:40:26,489
Speaker 4: born in Germany in the 1850s to a family of

865
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:31,230
Speaker 4: humble means. In his 20s, he immigrates to the United States,

866
00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:35,050
Speaker 4: like so many others chasing the American dream, and he first.

867
00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:35,469
Speaker 2: Lands in St.

868
00:40:35,550 --> 00:40:38,950
Speaker 4: Louis. He gets clerical work at a brewery, and then

869
00:40:38,989 --> 00:40:42,069
Speaker 4: he stays for a couple years and becomes a naturalized

870
00:40:42,190 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 4: US citizen, which is what we do here, and which

871
00:40:45,219 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 4: is a good thing, and we need.

872
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:49,219
Speaker 1: It.

873
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 4: And what the fuck are.

874
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:54,780
Speaker 3: We doing?

875
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:56,219
Speaker 1: Right?

876
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,850
Speaker 4: Let me get off my soapbox and start reading off

877
00:41:00,870 --> 00:41:04,290
Speaker 4: this paper again. He also meets his future wife, the

878
00:41:04,350 --> 00:41:05,890
Speaker 4: first Emma, Emma Benson.

879
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:05,989
Speaker 3: Emma!

880
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,860
Speaker 2: And her family is also German.

881
00:41:07,940 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: And they're named Emma as well.

882
00:41:11,140 --> 00:41:12,589
Speaker 2: Every single member of her family.

883
00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:16,790
Speaker 4: So when Otto and Emma are in their mid-20s, they

884
00:41:16,850 --> 00:41:18,649
Speaker 4: meet at an event thrown for St.

885
00:41:18,690 --> 00:41:20,090
Speaker 2: Louis' German community.

886
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:24,700
Speaker 4: And then I wrote, this isn't real, Das Mingelfest. That's

887
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 4: not real.

888
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: You have to throw that this year.

889
00:41:29,940 --> 00:41:34,779
Speaker 4: Almost did the thing again. Damn it. I have a

890
00:41:34,820 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 4: new weird tick where I go like this.

891
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: I told her about her new tick and now she

892
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,180
Speaker 1: can't not do it.

893
00:41:40,260 --> 00:41:44,970
Speaker 4: It's really such a bummer. Oh, I also write Dekinder Jaeger.

894
00:41:45,010 --> 00:41:46,590
Speaker 4: That was the other event name.

895
00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:48,230
Speaker 2: It's just kindergarten.

896
00:41:48,270 --> 00:41:49,810
Speaker 1: Who knew you were so good at this?

897
00:41:50,370 --> 00:41:53,050
Speaker 4: Well, I just, looked up like, what's a German phrase

898
00:41:53,110 --> 00:41:55,130
Speaker 4: for a party? And then I just kind of combined

899
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:57,930
Speaker 4: all the pieces. German seems kind of easy to learn

900
00:41:57,950 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 4: because everything, you know, it's like kindergarten, child garden. Right.

901
00:42:01,820 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

902
00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:05,700
Speaker 2: Pretty intuitive and user-friendly.

903
00:42:07,219 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 4: So the two get married after they meet, obviously, and

904
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 4: they move to San Antonio, Texas. Even back in the

905
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,660
Speaker 4: 19th century, San Antonio is one of the most diverse

906
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 4: cities in the United States. with one of the most

907
00:42:20,060 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 4: vibrant German immigrant communities of the time.

908
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:22,980
Speaker 1: Wow.

909
00:42:23,260 --> 00:42:25,900
Speaker 4: Yeah, people are scared to clap for Germans, but we

910
00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:27,620
Speaker 4: can clap for diversity.

911
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: It's all fine.

912
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,890
Speaker 4: It's all fine. We're a good faith situation here. So

913
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:36,370
Speaker 4: not only that, but Otto senses that there's a real

914
00:42:36,430 --> 00:42:40,910
Speaker 4: opportunity in San Antonio's booming beer industry, and he is right.

915
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:44,030
Speaker 4: So he immediately lands a job at the Lone Star

916
00:42:44,090 --> 00:42:44,910
Speaker 4: Brewing Company.

917
00:42:44,930 --> 00:42:45,049
Speaker 1: Yeah!

918
00:42:47,950 --> 00:42:50,030
Speaker 4: It's the National Beer of Texas. Hey.

919
00:42:50,050 --> 00:42:50,470
Speaker 3: Yeah.

920
00:42:51,219 --> 00:42:53,100
Speaker 4: So he works there, and he does such a good

921
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 4: job that he gains the attention and respect of none

922
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 4: other than Adolphus Bush, co-founder of Anheuser-Busch Brewery.

923
00:43:01,180 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: I bet he's German, right?

924
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:03,620
Speaker 3: A little bit.

925
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:04,980
Speaker 1: A little bit.

926
00:43:05,060 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 4: And he's also the co-owner of Lone Star Beer. So

927
00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:10,540
Speaker 4: the fact that he likes Otto is huge. Soon, Otto's

928
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,850
Speaker 4: rising up the brewery's ranks. And by the time he's

929
00:43:12,850 --> 00:43:16,110
Speaker 4: 30 years old, he's the general manager at Lone Star.

930
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:18,870
Speaker 1: Damn, but they also had shorter lifespans then, so don't

931
00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:19,890
Speaker 1: feel bad about that.

932
00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:22,570
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't compare yourself to Otto.

933
00:43:22,610 --> 00:43:24,610
Speaker 4: You'll never feel good about yourself.

934
00:43:24,610 --> 00:43:26,660
Speaker 1: 30 was like middle age back then, and now it's

935
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,180
Speaker 1: like not.

936
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:28,700
Speaker 3: Yeah.

937
00:43:30,420 --> 00:43:33,660
Speaker 4: Also, it's like he was running a brewery when he

938
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,820
Speaker 4: was 30, and I was like, I was just drinking

939
00:43:35,860 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 4: a brewery when I was that age. So all the

940
00:43:39,980 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 4: while that Otto's doing that, his wife Emma is holding

941
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 4: down the household while being a doting, devoted wife. So

942
00:43:46,739 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 4: let's take a picture. Let's take a look, Jesus Christ,

943
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 4: at the Kalers. Let's take a picture of the Kalers.

944
00:43:53,420 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 4: This is Otto and Emma One.

945
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: Hi.

946
00:43:56,580 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 4: Hi.

947
00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:58,779
Speaker 1: And they're 30 in this.

948
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 4: They're both 30. Told you. It was tough times. Tough times.

949
00:44:02,460 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: Fucking told you.

950
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: In the turn of the century. Wow.

951
00:44:05,260 --> 00:44:09,370
Speaker 4: Look, there was no sunscreen available. There was hardly any water.

952
00:44:09,390 --> 00:44:12,370
Speaker 1: They drank beer instead of water.

953
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:13,170
Speaker 4: It was just beer.

954
00:44:13,810 --> 00:44:20,140
Speaker 1: And she's got one of those, don't remove my ribbon necklaces. Right?

955
00:44:20,969 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: We all know what happens.

956
00:44:22,219 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 4: Never remove my ribbon.

957
00:44:26,660 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: And they borrow each other's glasses.

958
00:44:28,219 --> 00:44:31,700
Speaker 4: All the time. I was going to say, I like

959
00:44:31,739 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 4: that they could both go as each other for Halloween.

960
00:44:35,530 --> 00:44:36,070
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

961
00:44:36,130 --> 00:44:38,370
Speaker 4: Oh my God, that might be the same person. Yeah,

962
00:44:38,489 --> 00:44:39,690
Speaker 4: they could be actually.

963
00:44:40,489 --> 00:44:42,049
Speaker 2: Wait, that's the big reveal at the end.

964
00:44:42,650 --> 00:44:43,550
Speaker 4: It's all one guy.

965
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:44,740
Speaker 1: There was never an Emma.

966
00:44:44,780 --> 00:44:45,419
Speaker 4: There's no Emmas.

967
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: There's not a single Emma. I love them.

968
00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:49,380
Speaker 3: Okay.

969
00:44:50,219 --> 00:44:54,859
Speaker 4: So the Cahlers are living, sorry about that, they're living

970
00:44:54,930 --> 00:44:59,410
Speaker 4: comfortably and they're able, so comfortably that they plan a

971
00:44:59,489 --> 00:45:03,110
Speaker 4: yearly trip back to the homeland in Germany that goes

972
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,500
Speaker 4: Usually from spring, so like from May to October.

973
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,100
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you have to take a fucking boat and shit, right?

974
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:10,660
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

975
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: Ugh. I don't care.

976
00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 4: Heat me.

977
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:15,109
Speaker 1: Okay.

978
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,370
Speaker 4: To escape the sweltering heat. So in 1886, on the

979
00:45:19,810 --> 00:45:24,390
Speaker 4: Kaler's annual trip home, Otto buys a lager recipe from

980
00:45:24,430 --> 00:45:27,410
Speaker 4: a brewery in Bremen. He has to borrow a bunch

981
00:45:27,450 --> 00:45:30,330
Speaker 4: of money from his family to afford to buy this recipe.

982
00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:31,150
Speaker 1: That'd be good.

983
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:31,669
Speaker 4: Yeah.

984
00:45:31,870 --> 00:45:33,150
Speaker 2: He's like, well, he gets.

985
00:45:32,989 --> 00:45:35,490
Speaker 4: This feeling where he's like, I tasted that shit beer

986
00:45:35,530 --> 00:45:38,330
Speaker 4: back in America and we're going to change the game here.

987
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:42,989
Speaker 4: So he is hoping that this gamble pays off. So

988
00:45:43,010 --> 00:45:46,250
Speaker 4: the next year in 1887, Otto has a falling out

989
00:45:46,290 --> 00:45:49,469
Speaker 4: with the higher-ups at Lone Star. He jumps ship and

990
00:45:49,489 --> 00:45:53,050
Speaker 4: he goes to work for the San Antonio Brewing Association.

991
00:45:53,070 --> 00:45:54,390
Speaker 2: We can take a look at it right here.

992
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:58,850
Speaker 4: This is, look at it.

993
00:45:59,090 --> 00:46:02,710
Speaker 1: I see the word ass. Did anyone else just go

994
00:46:02,750 --> 00:46:03,710
Speaker 1: directly to the word ass?

995
00:46:03,830 --> 00:46:04,450
Speaker 4: That would be.

996
00:46:05,310 --> 00:46:06,030
Speaker 1: I'm a child.

997
00:46:06,210 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 4: If we fully produce this, it would be this still,

998
00:46:08,620 --> 00:46:10,180
Speaker 4: and then that would all fade, and it would just

999
00:46:10,219 --> 00:46:16,580
Speaker 4: be the word ass up there. So Otto does well here, too. Eventually,

1000
00:46:16,620 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 4: he becomes the president of that place.

1001
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: Wow, damn.

1002
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,299
Speaker 4: And under his leadership, the association builds a state-of-the-art facility

1003
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 4: that soon begins to produce the lager from that recipe

1004
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:32,149
Speaker 4: that he bought. And he names that lager Pearl Lager. Okay.

1005
00:46:33,850 --> 00:46:37,250
Speaker 1: I haven't had it. I had a Shiner Bock last night.

1006
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:38,149
Speaker 1: Do you guys like that?

1007
00:46:39,590 --> 00:46:40,110
Speaker 4: Okay. Ew!

1008
00:46:40,310 --> 00:46:42,469
Speaker 1: I was like, that could be a boo. And I'm

1009
00:46:42,510 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: just gambling. I'm like rolling the dice with beer.

1010
00:46:45,420 --> 00:46:45,990
Speaker 2: And you loved it?

1011
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: It was good, yeah. It was really good.

1012
00:46:46,940 --> 00:46:48,460
Speaker 4: Did you get in in a big boot?

1013
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:52,140
Speaker 3: Fun.

1014
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,300
Speaker 2: It's fun to drink out of shoes.

1015
00:46:55,540 --> 00:46:56,900
Speaker 1: That means you're having a party.

1016
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 4: That's how I party.

1017
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: Dirty, dirty shoes.

1018
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,420
Speaker 4: So in no time, Otto's gamble pays off. People fucking

1019
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 4: love pearl beer. One local San Antonio newspaper writes that

1020
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,569
Speaker 4: it has, quote, an excellent flavor and quality.

1021
00:47:13,590 --> 00:47:16,149
Speaker 2: It's that kind of compelling.

1022
00:47:15,850 --> 00:47:21,050
Speaker 4: Journalism that has gotten us through. It also recommends, quote,

1023
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:24,049
Speaker 4: when you want to find glass of beer, try the

1024
00:47:24,130 --> 00:47:24,930
Speaker 4: City Pearl.

1025
00:47:25,870 --> 00:47:28,150
Speaker 2: That's an ad. That's not an article.

1026
00:47:29,350 --> 00:47:31,950
Speaker 4: Pearl beer becomes so big that before long, the San

1027
00:47:31,989 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 4: Antonio Brewing Association becomes the biggest brewing company.

1028
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:36,580
Speaker 2: In San Antonio.

1029
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:37,219
Speaker 4: Okay.

1030
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: Good job.

1031
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,610
Speaker 4: Yeah, great. You didn't do it. Maybe.

1032
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:45,310
Speaker 2: I mean, actually, you're right.

1033
00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:47,509
Speaker 4: I apologize. I don't know what you've done in your life.

1034
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,419
Speaker 4: The San Antonio Brewing Association has 1,200 employees.

1035
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:52,700
Speaker 3: Whoa.

1036
00:47:52,739 --> 00:47:53,050
Speaker 1: That's a lot.

1037
00:47:53,140 --> 00:47:54,890
Speaker 2: And they make around $ 500, 000 yearly in revenue, which is about...

1038
00:47:54,810 --> 00:47:55,220
Speaker 2: It's $ 5, 000 in.

1039
00:47:55,230 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 4: It's like 1918 or so.

1040
00:47:55,610 --> 00:47:56,190
Speaker 3: It is $ 43, 000.

1041
00:47:56,070 --> 00:47:57,460
Speaker 4: You've gone lower. You've gone....

1042
00:48:12,610 --> 00:48:13,510
Speaker 2: You've gone low.

1043
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:14,130
Speaker 4: Shit.

1044
00:48:14,170 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: That's the first time that's happened. Yeah, that's right. Inflation.

1045
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:18,899
Speaker 4: Do you want to play this game or are you

1046
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,379
Speaker 4: trying to sink it?

1047
00:48:20,460 --> 00:48:22,580
Speaker 1: We're trying to retire this game.

1048
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 4: You are. And I won't stop doing it.

1049
00:48:24,700 --> 00:48:25,770
Speaker 1: Okay, $ 5 million in 19... No.

1050
00:48:25,810 --> 00:48:26,090
Speaker 3: What?

1051
00:48:26,550 --> 00:48:27,310
Speaker 4: What is it? $ 500, 000.

1052
00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:27,510
Speaker 1: Jesus.

1053
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:28,390
Speaker 4: Okay.

1054
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: I did the same thing where I was, like, somewhere else.

1055
00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:37,989
Speaker 1: And today's money is $ 1. 9 million. $ 16 million. Fuck!

1056
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:38,490
Speaker 4: See?

1057
00:48:38,570 --> 00:48:43,550
Speaker 1: It's so unsatisfying to, like, not even be close.

1058
00:48:43,570 --> 00:48:46,770
Speaker 4: Yes. But I think it's very grounding to be wrong.

1059
00:48:47,870 --> 00:48:50,290
Speaker 1: I am most of the time. I don't need another.

1060
00:48:50,310 --> 00:48:55,180
Speaker 4: Hey, girl, I relate. Okay, so he's making bank, but

1061
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 4: beer is just the start for Otto Kahler. He buys

1062
00:48:57,900 --> 00:48:59,260
Speaker 4: a luxury health spa.

1063
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: A bit south of the city.

1064
00:49:01,340 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 4: He invests in mining and rubber companies across the border

1065
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 4: in Mexico. He buys lots and lots of real estate,

1066
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,030
Speaker 4: and he reportedly serves as either, quote, president or director

1067
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:13,230
Speaker 4: of 15 different operations.

1068
00:49:13,530 --> 00:49:15,250
Speaker 1: Jesus, take a fucking break.

1069
00:49:15,310 --> 00:49:17,970
Speaker 4: For real, go to that health spa you bought.

1070
00:49:17,989 --> 00:49:18,250
Speaker 3: Exactly.

1071
00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:21,940
Speaker 4: So by the early 1900s, 1900s and into the 1910s, oh, sorry,

1072
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:22,819
Speaker 4: I gave you the wrong year.

1073
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,110
Speaker 2: It was in the late 1880s.

1074
00:49:24,140 --> 00:49:25,110
Speaker 1: See, I probably was right.

1075
00:49:25,260 --> 00:49:27,230
Speaker 2: That's the reason. That's the reason.

1076
00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:27,569
Speaker 1: That's why.

1077
00:49:29,250 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 4: So into the 1910s, Otto and Emma are now approaching

1078
00:49:32,860 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 4: their 50s, and they are fucking rich like crazy. They

1079
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,980
Speaker 4: have an estimated net worth of around $ 3 million. You

1080
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 4: want me to just say it?

1081
00:49:41,820 --> 00:49:44,750
Speaker 1: Just say it. Yes. Okay. $ 3 million, then I'm going

1082
00:49:44,770 --> 00:49:46,850
Speaker 1: to go is $ 54 million.

1083
00:49:46,850 --> 00:49:48,490
Speaker 4: $ 96 million in today's money.

1084
00:49:48,969 --> 00:49:49,290
Speaker 3: I mean.

1085
00:49:49,770 --> 00:49:51,350
Speaker 1: That's too much money.

1086
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:51,770
Speaker 4: I know.

1087
00:49:51,790 --> 00:49:52,270
Speaker 2: It's a lot.

1088
00:49:52,450 --> 00:49:55,010
Speaker 4: They're at the top of San Antonio high society. Yeah.

1089
00:49:56,469 --> 00:49:59,569
Speaker 4: They live in a large stone. What's that? I don't know.

1090
00:49:59,590 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get through this fucking thing.

1091
00:50:02,140 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: Just kidding.

1092
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 4: They live in a large stone mansion, just steps away

1093
00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:09,700
Speaker 4: from the brewery. So that thing where like you live

1094
00:50:09,739 --> 00:50:10,700
Speaker 4: around the corner from work.

1095
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: Also, have you lived near a brewery? They fucking stink.

1096
00:50:13,060 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: They stink, yeah.

1097
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:14,420
Speaker 4: Right?

1098
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: Unless you like hops.

1099
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 4: I used to live around the corner from the Gap

1100
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,860
Speaker 4: and I was always still eight minutes late every single day.

1101
00:50:22,780 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 2: They hated my fucking guts. So much at the Gap.

1102
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:29,180
Speaker 4: Anyhow.

1103
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: You were going to say you could smell it on you.

1104
00:50:33,580 --> 00:50:41,989
Speaker 4: Smell those gross jeans. Stone Mansion, I told you about that.

1105
00:50:42,010 --> 00:50:45,069
Speaker 4: It's really close to the brewery. Oh, and in that

1106
00:50:45,110 --> 00:50:49,250
Speaker 4: Stone Mansion, Emma entertains their elite circle of friends and acquaintances.

1107
00:50:49,989 --> 00:50:52,610
Speaker 2: She's also very active in different charities. You saw her

1108
00:50:52,650 --> 00:50:53,290
Speaker 2: with the choker.

1109
00:50:53,570 --> 00:50:54,549
Speaker 4: She's out and about.

1110
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: But then it all comes crashing down.

1111
00:50:58,540 --> 00:51:03,540
Speaker 4: Around 1907, Emma gets very sick with an unspecified illness.

1112
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:06,590
Speaker 4: And the next year, Otto alludes to her illness in

1113
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:10,370
Speaker 4: a letter saying, quote, Mrs. Kaler is still sick in bed.

1114
00:51:10,770 --> 00:51:13,569
Speaker 4: She has had another attack the night before last, which

1115
00:51:13,650 --> 00:51:15,089
Speaker 4: forced her to go to bed again.

1116
00:51:15,110 --> 00:51:18,070
Speaker 1: Is that an attack of, I've been poisoned? Probably.

1117
00:51:18,170 --> 00:51:19,930
Speaker 4: Or is it an attack of, I'm so rich, now

1118
00:51:19,950 --> 00:51:22,500
Speaker 4: I'm just fucking lazy. And I'm just going to lay

1119
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,899
Speaker 4: my ass around. No, she was actually sick, sorry. So

1120
00:51:25,940 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 4: writer Robert L. Gulley.

1121
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: Sorry, lady.

1122
00:51:28,180 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 3: That's rude.

1123
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:29,790
Speaker 1: Robert L.

1124
00:51:29,820 --> 00:51:32,739
Speaker 4: Gulley, the writer, tries to get to the bottom of

1125
00:51:32,940 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 4: Emma's sickness in his book Money, Murder, Sex, and Beer.

1126
00:51:36,219 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 4: He makes a compelling case that Emma might be receiving

1127
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 4: treatment for anxiety, depression, or even headaches, and the treatment

1128
00:51:43,140 --> 00:51:46,260
Speaker 4: she's receiving isn't very effective. Oh, God.

1129
00:51:46,340 --> 00:51:47,419
Speaker 1: What could it have been back then?

1130
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 4: Right?

1131
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,470
Speaker 1: Just zapping the ever-loving shit out of you.

1132
00:51:50,530 --> 00:51:50,780
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1133
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:50,890
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1134
00:51:51,230 --> 00:51:53,770
Speaker 4: And like literal snake oil, where they're like, we brought

1135
00:51:53,810 --> 00:51:56,820
Speaker 4: the snake in, you kill it, we'll milk it, you

1136
00:51:56,900 --> 00:51:59,020
Speaker 4: drink it, why are you still sick?

1137
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:05,180
Speaker 2: You're hysterical. One of her doctors is a man named Dr.

1138
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 4: Lewis Tallman, or Tallman, and he's a very close friend

1139
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 4: of Otto's, one of his regular golf buddies. And Gulley's

1140
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,469
Speaker 4: book suggests that he's a quack. Dr. Tallman's treatments include

1141
00:52:20,650 --> 00:52:22,970
Speaker 4: spoon-feeding clients milk and soup.

1142
00:52:23,570 --> 00:52:24,969
Speaker 1: I can do it myself, dude.

1143
00:52:25,260 --> 00:52:26,900
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I must do it for you.

1144
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: And it's not even working. Dr.

1145
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 2: Tallman feeds you.

1146
00:52:31,860 --> 00:52:35,700
Speaker 4: Dr. Tallman, he keeps them on bed rest for weeks

1147
00:52:35,780 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 4: at a time.

1148
00:52:36,980 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: That's not a problem.

1149
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,180
Speaker 4: But his version is he discourages everything except for very

1150
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:45,140
Speaker 4: small movements.

1151
00:52:46,090 --> 00:52:47,690
Speaker 2: You're like, Dr.

1152
00:52:47,710 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 4: Tallman, can I have some more milk and soup? Really quick,

1153
00:52:52,540 --> 00:52:54,940
Speaker 4: before you go.

1154
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 2: He actually, he even restricts reading.

1155
00:52:58,060 --> 00:52:58,140
Speaker 3: Dude.

1156
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 2: Just drink your milk.

1157
00:53:03,420 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: Just drink your milk. There's no TV. There's no podcasting.

1158
00:53:06,660 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 4: Do not move. You can't even like do a shadow

1159
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 4: puppet on the wall. Too much movement. This was all

1160
00:53:14,860 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 4: meant to neurologically reset the overwhelmed, nervous patient. But we

1161
00:53:19,620 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 4: do know from old newspaper reports that Emma was involved

1162
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 4: in a car crash in 1910. There don't seem to

1163
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,350
Speaker 4: be any surviving records to explain more about that accident.

1164
00:53:30,670 --> 00:53:32,850
Speaker 2: But we do know, there's no way I'm going to

1165
00:53:32,890 --> 00:53:35,910
Speaker 2: get these pages apart. Sorry, the story's over. I love

1166
00:53:35,950 --> 00:53:36,350
Speaker 2: you guys.

1167
00:53:36,430 --> 00:53:40,589
Speaker 4: Thanks so much. I got to get one of those

1168
00:53:40,610 --> 00:53:42,390
Speaker 4: rubber thumb things. Yep.

1169
00:53:43,450 --> 00:53:44,610
Speaker 1: We need so many things.

1170
00:53:44,730 --> 00:53:48,569
Speaker 4: We need a lot of things. So Otto believes that

1171
00:53:48,670 --> 00:53:52,950
Speaker 4: Emma needs round-the-clock medical assistance, and he winds up hiring

1172
00:53:52,969 --> 00:53:55,969
Speaker 4: a live-in nurse to look after her, and this is

1173
00:53:56,010 --> 00:53:57,990
Speaker 4: the second of the three Emmas.

1174
00:53:58,050 --> 00:53:59,049
Speaker 1: Got it.

1175
00:53:59,170 --> 00:54:03,170
Speaker 4: So from here going forward, Otto's wife, Emma Kaler, is

1176
00:54:03,350 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 4: Emma number one, and this woman, who's the new nurse,

1177
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 4: is Emma Dumke, and she is Emma number two.

1178
00:54:09,739 --> 00:54:10,100
Speaker 3: Okay.

1179
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,340
Speaker 4: And then we just have a, Floating, threatening Emma Three

1180
00:54:13,420 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 4: coming up in the distance. So Emma number two, Emma Dumkey,

1181
00:54:18,590 --> 00:54:22,570
Speaker 4: Emma Dumkey, says it right there, Karen, is a pretty

1182
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:26,610
Speaker 4: brunette German woman in her 20s who Otto hires on

1183
00:54:26,650 --> 00:54:29,430
Speaker 4: the spot after meeting her on one of their vacations

1184
00:54:29,489 --> 00:54:30,110
Speaker 4: to Germany.

1185
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:33,550
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Emma number one's like, pardon.

1186
00:54:33,310 --> 00:54:35,830
Speaker 4: Me, could you step away from her, please? I don't.

1187
00:54:36,780 --> 00:54:38,860
Speaker 4: You guys seem to be hugging and kissing a lot.

1188
00:54:39,620 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: Stop moving, stop moving. You're moving too much.

1189
00:54:41,380 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, sorry.

1190
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: Drink your milk.

1191
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:43,219
Speaker 4: More milk.

1192
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:43,859
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

1193
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 4: But little does Emma, number one, know. We do.

1194
00:54:52,820 --> 00:54:53,820
Speaker 2: I think I just said it.

1195
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 4: Her husband, Otto, is sleeping with Emma, number two, pretty

1196
00:54:57,380 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 4: much immediately after she's hired. Look, sex is natural. Yeah.

1197
00:55:08,910 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 4: but it isn't just a physical affair. This is Marin's writing.

1198
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:17,290
Speaker 4: Otto falls hard for Emma. That old guy that looks

1199
00:55:17,310 --> 00:55:19,469
Speaker 4: like he should be on a bag of oatmeal. He

1200
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:21,670
Speaker 4: fell so hard for a 20-year-old.

1201
00:55:22,050 --> 00:55:23,549
Speaker 1: Oh, who'd have thunk it?

1202
00:55:23,590 --> 00:55:25,109
Speaker 4: Oh my God, that's crazy.

1203
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 2: What a romantic.

1204
00:55:28,590 --> 00:55:31,299
Speaker 4: Although their relationship is believed to be a consensual one,

1205
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 4: it's very important to point out the power deferential in

1206
00:55:35,460 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 4: this relationship. Otto's 30 years older. He's one of the

1207
00:55:39,060 --> 00:55:41,580
Speaker 4: richest people in Texas. She's a recent.

1208
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:42,940
Speaker 2: Immigrant with no money of her own.

1209
00:55:43,260 --> 00:55:46,339
Speaker 4: And Otto's the guy signing her paychecks every week and

1210
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 4: putting a roof over her head.

1211
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 2: So it is true love for real.

1212
00:55:52,270 --> 00:55:54,569
Speaker 1: Do you think it's more or less insulting for your

1213
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:56,530
Speaker 1: husband that she on you with someone with the exact

1214
00:55:56,550 --> 00:55:57,489
Speaker 1: same fucking name as you?

1215
00:55:57,510 --> 00:56:00,150
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's, it's passive aggressive is what that is.

1216
00:56:00,170 --> 00:56:03,009
Speaker 1: It is. It's also lazy. Yeah, it is.

1217
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 4: Right?

1218
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: It's like, I like Emma's.

1219
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:12,460
Speaker 4: Okay. So all that's relevant because in 1911, about a

1220
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 4: year into Emma number two's nursing job with the Kalers,

1221
00:56:15,660 --> 00:56:17,650
Speaker 4: she tells Otto that she would like to.

1222
00:56:17,620 --> 00:56:18,970
Speaker 2: Move out of the house.

1223
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:19,370
Speaker 1: Oh.

1224
00:56:19,810 --> 00:56:19,950
Speaker 4: So.

1225
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,620
Speaker 2: Deep, deeply in love.

1226
00:56:23,540 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 4: She is still going to be Emma number one's caregiver,

1227
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 4: but she doesn't want to live in the house anymore,

1228
00:56:28,290 --> 00:56:30,710
Speaker 4: so Emma number two moves in with a new friend

1229
00:56:30,750 --> 00:56:34,010
Speaker 4: that she's made in San Antonio, also a German nurse.

1230
00:56:34,890 --> 00:56:38,569
Speaker 4: She's in her mid-30s. Her name is Emma Bergermeister. This

1231
00:56:38,650 --> 00:56:40,090
Speaker 4: is Emma number three.

1232
00:56:41,780 --> 00:56:42,300
Speaker 1: Bergermeister.

1233
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:43,460
Speaker 4: Here's Emma number three. Oh.

1234
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:51,109
Speaker 1: Oh. Hey. Hey, girl. She looks, like, witty. Doesn't she?

1235
00:56:51,330 --> 00:56:54,180
Speaker 1: She looks like she could do a Jäger bomb.

1236
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:54,890
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah.

1237
00:56:55,940 --> 00:56:56,339
Speaker 1: You know?

1238
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,940
Speaker 2: She's like, Emma II, let's fucking party, seriously.

1239
00:57:00,739 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 4: We're just German nurses trying to get by in this

1240
00:57:03,420 --> 00:57:05,580
Speaker 4: crazy world. Yeah.

1241
00:57:05,739 --> 00:57:05,959
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1242
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,259
Speaker 4: Once the two are roommates, Emma number two tells Emma

1243
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 4: number three about this affair she's been having with the

1244
00:57:12,410 --> 00:57:15,370
Speaker 4: rich man. It says she's been having with her patient.

1245
00:57:15,390 --> 00:57:16,970
Speaker 4: And I was like, well, that's wrong. And I didn't

1246
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:20,370
Speaker 4: read the rest of it. Her patient's rich, uber rich husband.

1247
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 4: So about a month into the new living situation, Otto

1248
00:57:25,540 --> 00:57:30,210
Speaker 4: Kahler buys a cottage and then deeds this cottage to

1249
00:57:30,250 --> 00:57:31,010
Speaker 4: the two Emmas.

1250
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:34,030
Speaker 2: So he gets a little love nest for himself.

1251
00:57:35,250 --> 00:57:37,650
Speaker 4: He stops by at least once a week, usually in

1252
00:57:37,690 --> 00:57:42,580
Speaker 4: the evening. And he typically stays for a few hours.

1253
00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:46,390
Speaker 4: And before he arrives, Emma number three Oh, I don't know.

1254
00:57:46,450 --> 00:57:48,210
Speaker 4: She just has to go for a walk and stuff.

1255
00:57:48,510 --> 00:57:51,210
Speaker 1: She puts a stocking on the doorknob.

1256
00:57:52,530 --> 00:57:55,530
Speaker 2: She puts an old sack of grain on the doorknob.

1257
00:57:58,990 --> 00:58:02,740
Speaker 4: And then she goes and just gets so drunk and blurry, like, ugh.

1258
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:03,930
Speaker 1: Jägermeister. Jäger.

1259
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:04,490
Speaker 4: Jägerbomb.

1260
00:58:04,510 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: Jägerbomb.

1261
00:58:07,300 --> 00:58:11,500
Speaker 4: This affair lasts for years, during which Otto gives Emma No.

1262
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 4: 2 a monthly allowance of $ 125. So how much does

1263
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,380
Speaker 4: she get a month in today's money?

1264
00:58:17,380 --> 00:58:18,620
Speaker 1: $ 5, 000. Very close, $ 4, 000.

1265
00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:19,100
Speaker 4: So close.

1266
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 3: I like it.

1267
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:20,500
Speaker 4: That feels.

1268
00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:23,300
Speaker 3: Better.

1269
00:58:23,940 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: That definitely feels better.

1270
00:58:25,020 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 2: There's no other job in.

1271
00:58:26,420 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 4: The world where you could guess numbers, be a thousand off,

1272
00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:32,220
Speaker 4: and have people cheer like that for you. What a

1273
00:58:32,580 --> 00:58:36,700
Speaker 4: goddamn miracle this is. We really figured it out. We've

1274
00:58:36,820 --> 00:58:42,610
Speaker 4: really rigged the system for ourselves. That's pretty sweet. So

1275
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,740
Speaker 4: That also seems to be an addition to the paycheck

1276
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,300
Speaker 4: she gets for nursing Emma number one. Oh, wow. She

1277
00:58:49,340 --> 00:58:51,110
Speaker 4: has to spoon feed that milk. You got to pay

1278
00:58:51,140 --> 00:58:51,470
Speaker 4: for that.

1279
00:58:51,700 --> 00:58:52,340
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1280
00:58:52,570 --> 00:58:54,390
Speaker 2: And then he also gives Emma number.

1281
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:58,030
Speaker 4: Three $ 50 a month just to keep her trap shut.

1282
00:58:58,850 --> 00:59:03,870
Speaker 4: And how much would $ 50 a month be, do you think?

1283
00:59:03,870 --> 00:59:05,230
Speaker 2: $ 1, 000. $ 2, 700.

1284
00:59:04,550 --> 00:59:04,910
Speaker 1: Fuck.

1285
00:59:05,150 --> 00:59:05,370
Speaker 4: See?

1286
00:59:05,590 --> 00:59:07,130
Speaker 1: It's just like ups and downs.

1287
00:59:07,330 --> 00:59:08,410
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though, about me.

1288
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:08,830
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1289
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 4: If you paid me twenty seven hundred a month to

1290
00:59:11,860 --> 00:59:15,900
Speaker 4: not talk I couldn't do it could you keep your

1291
00:59:15,940 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 4: trap shut for this I'll try no no I.

1292
00:59:18,380 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: Can't sorry you end up owing them money.

1293
00:59:22,570 --> 00:59:24,230
Speaker 4: Can I keep a running tap I'm gonna try it

1294
00:59:24,250 --> 00:59:27,110
Speaker 4: again next month I swear to God I'm gonna be

1295
00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:31,210
Speaker 4: so quiet next month So we won't ever know if

1296
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:33,470
Speaker 4: that $ 50 a month is hush money.

1297
00:59:33,370 --> 00:59:34,370
Speaker 2: Or if it's more.

1298
00:59:35,850 --> 00:59:38,450
Speaker 4: But Emma number three will later say that this is

1299
00:59:38,490 --> 00:59:41,630
Speaker 4: around the time where she goes on a quote, long

1300
00:59:41,730 --> 00:59:47,390
Speaker 4: ride in Otto's buggy. And those, the lights from the

1301
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:53,380
Speaker 4: buggy go all the way to Martha. And we've solved it. Boom.

1302
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: Here's the thing.

1303
00:59:55,380 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 4: If you ever do a live podcast, just keep bringing

1304
00:59:57,820 --> 01:00:00,950
Speaker 4: things all the way back around. all of it's all

1305
01:00:00,970 --> 01:00:04,030
Speaker 4: checks that's all you have to do um so on

1306
01:00:04,050 --> 01:00:07,170
Speaker 4: this buggy ride otto reveals his plan he's going to

1307
01:00:07,290 --> 01:00:10,970
Speaker 4: marry emma number two when his gravely ill emma number

1308
01:00:11,090 --> 01:00:15,220
Speaker 4: one finally dies and finally dies is the phrase he

1309
01:00:15,340 --> 01:00:21,910
Speaker 4: uses oh i'm just kidding she finally dies on that

1310
01:00:22,050 --> 01:00:26,620
Speaker 4: one so Otto asks Emma number three, please watch over

1311
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,860
Speaker 4: Emma number two until he is officially a widower and

1312
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,050
Speaker 4: can propose to her.

1313
01:00:31,590 --> 01:00:34,050
Speaker 2: All that's to say, that could be what the $ 50

1314
01:00:33,970 --> 01:00:34,430
Speaker 2: is for.

1315
01:00:36,330 --> 01:00:38,210
Speaker 4: I'm reading this like I've never read it before.

1316
01:00:38,270 --> 01:00:39,070
Speaker 2: It's such a joy.

1317
01:00:39,730 --> 01:00:43,810
Speaker 4: So in early 1913, Emma number two meets a young

1318
01:00:44,090 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 4: German law school.

1319
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:46,820
Speaker 2: They really love to keep to themselves.

1320
01:00:46,860 --> 01:00:53,780
Speaker 4: Don't they? A young German law school graduate. Named Martin Daschle,

1321
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,060
Speaker 4: they first crossed paths as passengers on a ship heading

1322
01:00:57,140 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 4: back to the States from Germany. And by the time

1323
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 4: that ship docks in New York City, they're engaged.

1324
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:04,220
Speaker 1: Oh, shit.

1325
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 4: She's like, I really love him and I don't love

1326
01:01:06,860 --> 01:01:07,700
Speaker 4: that other guy.

1327
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how easy it was.

1328
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 4: Yeah. Just a few weeks later on April 8th, 1913,

1329
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,420
Speaker 4: Emma number two marries Martin and immediately leaves San Antonio

1330
01:01:17,490 --> 01:01:20,169
Speaker 4: to move in with him in New York City. So...

1331
01:01:20,490 --> 01:01:22,430
Speaker 4: She seems, you know, that's a good one too.

1332
01:01:22,490 --> 01:01:23,290
Speaker 1: It's a great city.

1333
01:01:25,210 --> 01:01:27,090
Speaker 2: Seems to have no problem leaving Otto behind.

1334
01:01:27,110 --> 01:01:27,940
Speaker 1: Sure.

1335
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 4: That's tough.

1336
01:01:30,860 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: But that's not true for Otto.

1337
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:36,990
Speaker 4: When he learns of this unexpected departure, he loses it.

1338
01:01:37,100 --> 01:01:41,890
Speaker 4: He was dead set on marrying Emma number two the

1339
01:01:41,930 --> 01:01:44,570
Speaker 4: moment his wife died. And he's the kind of man

1340
01:01:44,590 --> 01:01:46,990
Speaker 4: who's very used to getting exactly what he wants. So

1341
01:01:47,090 --> 01:01:50,020
Speaker 4: he starts dropping by the cottage and, where Emma number

1342
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:54,300
Speaker 4: three still lives, and he wastes no time professing his

1343
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 4: love for Emma number three.

1344
01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 2: There's your solution.

1345
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,710
Speaker 4: He even tells her that he's willing to divorce his

1346
01:02:04,170 --> 01:02:06,410
Speaker 4: current wife, Emma number one, right then and there so

1347
01:02:06,530 --> 01:02:08,730
Speaker 4: they can be married, and he says that he will

1348
01:02:08,750 --> 01:02:11,490
Speaker 4: have his lawyers handle everything, and they can just go

1349
01:02:11,530 --> 01:02:13,990
Speaker 4: on a big vacation until the scandal blows over.

1350
01:02:14,090 --> 01:02:16,570
Speaker 1: Great. Any Emma will do is what this is called.

1351
01:02:16,610 --> 01:02:16,830
Speaker 4: For real.

1352
01:02:17,590 --> 01:02:18,300
Speaker 2: For real.

1353
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:21,190
Speaker 4: I was like, this is a combination of Newt Gingrich

1354
01:02:21,230 --> 01:02:22,010
Speaker 4: and Ted Cruz.

1355
01:02:22,270 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: But let's not be political.

1356
01:02:26,030 --> 01:02:28,500
Speaker 4: Not tonight. Not tonight.

1357
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,980
Speaker 1: Not in.

1358
01:02:32,420 --> 01:02:32,740
Speaker 4: Texas.

1359
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 2: Some people love to leave town. Here's the thing.

1360
01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:40,150
Speaker 4: Emma number three tells Otto, hey, no, thanks. I do

1361
01:02:40,190 --> 01:02:43,590
Speaker 4: not want to marry you. Um, she says she will

1362
01:02:43,610 --> 01:02:45,670
Speaker 4: later say she was put off by the whole idea

1363
01:02:45,790 --> 01:02:48,169
Speaker 4: and said, quote, I couldn't think of leaving a sick

1364
01:02:48,250 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 4: wife behind to regret.

1365
01:02:51,020 --> 01:02:51,740
Speaker 2: End quote.

1366
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:53,300
Speaker 1: Oh, she has morals.

1367
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1368
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: Oh my God.

1369
01:02:54,740 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. So what's interesting is that she, Emma number three,

1370
01:02:58,500 --> 01:02:59,930
Speaker 4: is willing to have an affair with him.

1371
01:03:00,070 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: Oh.

1372
01:03:00,390 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. Got it. So Otto goes back to his same routine.

1373
01:03:04,740 --> 01:03:07,100
Speaker 4: He stops by the cottage once a week. He doesn't

1374
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 4: have to go anywhere new.

1375
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:08,940
Speaker 2: He doesn't care.

1376
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,420
Speaker 4: He doesn't have to learn a new name. He's right

1377
01:03:11,460 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 4: in there.

1378
01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: Simple, easy, sexy.

1379
01:03:14,500 --> 01:03:18,460
Speaker 4: It's got to.

1380
01:03:16,900 --> 01:03:21,300
Speaker 1: Feel great to be the third one. Whatever.

1381
01:03:23,060 --> 01:03:26,820
Speaker 4: Eventually Emma number three actually develops real feelings for Otto.

1382
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 4: And she will later say, quote, I tried to keep

1383
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,340
Speaker 4: my love down, but it kept growing.

1384
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 2: Keep it down.

1385
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: Keep it down.

1386
01:03:34,580 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 4: Keep it down.

1387
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,500
Speaker 1: Off the couch. Keep it off the couch. It's like

1388
01:03:37,540 --> 01:03:40,370
Speaker 1: a dog. I tried to keep him down. Down.

1389
01:03:40,690 --> 01:03:45,950
Speaker 4: Down, Emma. But in May of 1914, which is about

1390
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:49,650
Speaker 4: a year into the Emma No. 3 auto affairs beginning,

1391
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:54,110
Speaker 4: his energy changes. We've all been there. This happens right

1392
01:03:54,180 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 4: before Otto and Emma No. 1 are about to go

1393
01:03:56,700 --> 01:03:59,660
Speaker 4: on their annual trip back to Germany, which lasts for

1394
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:04,050
Speaker 4: six months, and Unlike the previous year, he does not

1395
01:04:04,090 --> 01:04:07,470
Speaker 4: make arrangements to have Emma number three join them overseas.

1396
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:09,330
Speaker 2: Big red flag.

1397
01:04:09,790 --> 01:04:13,550
Speaker 4: So before the Kalers head over, Otto comes to Emma

1398
01:04:14,030 --> 01:04:16,900
Speaker 4: and he gives her two bank notes. I'm sorry, Emma

1399
01:04:16,940 --> 01:04:20,100
Speaker 4: number three. He gives her two bank notes worth $ 10, 000 each. Mm-mm-mm.

1400
01:04:22,300 --> 01:04:25,350
Speaker 4: It's $ 700, 000 in today's money.

1401
01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:26,590
Speaker 1: Okay. Wow.

1402
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:29,710
Speaker 4: Otto explains this money is to protect her financially in

1403
01:04:29,790 --> 01:04:32,190
Speaker 4: case something happens to him while he's abroad.

1404
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:34,530
Speaker 1: Like I stop loving you?

1405
01:04:34,550 --> 01:04:38,150
Speaker 4: Like I just don't like you anymore. But a more

1406
01:04:38,190 --> 01:04:40,870
Speaker 4: jaded person would say this is breakup money. Doubling is

1407
01:04:40,930 --> 01:04:44,260
Speaker 4: hush money, which would make sense since at the time

1408
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:51,500
Speaker 4: the United States is heading toward prohibition. So... Noah! Stop it!

1409
01:04:52,650 --> 01:04:55,390
Speaker 4: Someone had a specialty beverage outside.

1410
01:04:55,410 --> 01:04:56,710
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

1411
01:04:56,890 --> 01:04:59,590
Speaker 4: A couple.

1412
01:04:59,630 --> 01:04:59,850
Speaker 1: Wow!

1413
01:04:59,990 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 4: Prohibition! Carrie Nation's here, ladies and gentlemen. Enjoy. Here we go.

1414
01:05:08,900 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 4: Otto is spending a lot of his time having to

1415
01:05:11,180 --> 01:05:14,300
Speaker 4: lobby lawmakers about the sanctity of beer.

1416
01:05:14,340 --> 01:05:15,620
Speaker 1: Oh, sure. I forgot about that part.

1417
01:05:15,740 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 3: Right?

1418
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: And all the Emmas.

1419
01:05:17,020 --> 01:05:17,420
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1420
01:05:17,660 --> 01:05:18,060
Speaker 1: All the Emmas.

1421
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:23,460
Speaker 4: So he's like going to his government representatives and he's like,

1422
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,820
Speaker 4: we love beer, we love Jesus, we love whatever thing

1423
01:05:28,090 --> 01:05:30,270
Speaker 4: will make you believe that we're good people and we

1424
01:05:30,310 --> 01:05:31,470
Speaker 4: can keep doing business.

1425
01:05:31,530 --> 01:05:31,710
Speaker 1: Right.

1426
01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:34,950
Speaker 4: He has to maintain the best image possible for the

1427
01:05:35,070 --> 01:05:36,910
Speaker 4: future of the brewery.

1428
01:05:36,930 --> 01:05:37,410
Speaker 2: Of beer.

1429
01:05:37,690 --> 01:05:40,990
Speaker 4: And all of his other financial interests. So trying to

1430
01:05:41,050 --> 01:05:44,490
Speaker 4: buy Emma number three's cooperation and silence as he builds

1431
01:05:44,900 --> 01:05:48,150
Speaker 4: tries to crab walk sideways out of the affair, is

1432
01:05:48,290 --> 01:05:50,330
Speaker 4: very likely what this money is about.

1433
01:05:50,890 --> 01:05:53,670
Speaker 2: But he makes a terrible mistake. Do you want to guess.

1434
01:05:53,530 --> 01:05:53,930
Speaker 4: What it is?

1435
01:05:54,110 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: He forgot to sign the check.

1436
01:05:58,100 --> 01:06:02,660
Speaker 4: That old trick. He just leaves and ghosts her entirely.

1437
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 2: And will not talk to her.

1438
01:06:04,140 --> 01:06:07,180
Speaker 4: He doesn't make a single attempt to reach out to her.

1439
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,900
Speaker 2: He doesn't write a letter, doesn't.

1440
01:06:08,620 --> 01:06:10,340
Speaker 4: Send a postcard.

1441
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: How many attempts were there back then to write a letter?

1442
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,540
Speaker 4: I guess you could maybe try to invent the telegraph

1443
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 4: if it hasn't been invented already.

1444
01:06:17,380 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: Smoke signals, I don't know.

1445
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 4: You could just start a rumor and hope it gets

1446
01:06:21,340 --> 01:06:25,510
Speaker 4: to America. Yeah. And this is when Emma Three realizes

1447
01:06:25,830 --> 01:06:29,220
Speaker 4: that she's been dumped and she is devastated. And this

1448
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 4: is why it is so important to keep context in

1449
01:06:31,900 --> 01:06:34,260
Speaker 4: mind when you're, for example, hooking up with a man

1450
01:06:34,580 --> 01:06:36,919
Speaker 4: you met while he was hooking up with your roommate who,

1451
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 4: when she dumped him, immediately came to you and offered

1452
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 4: to divorce his sickly bedridden wife and leave town to

1453
01:06:42,740 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 4: avoid the scandal. Sorry. Oh, thanks. Thanks.

1454
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: There were no clues.

1455
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,570
Speaker 2: She had no idea this was going to happen.

1456
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:59,340
Speaker 4: I thought he was amazing. Anyway, Emma number three is

1457
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,700
Speaker 4: devastated and probably very pissed, so when the Kalers return

1458
01:07:02,740 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 4: from their long vacation that October, Emma number three hires

1459
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 4: a private detective to follow Otto around.

1460
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,450
Speaker 1: Ooh, I've never done that, thank fucking God.

1461
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:12,070
Speaker 3: Really? No.

1462
01:07:14,130 --> 01:07:17,590
Speaker 1: My friend and I have stalked someone together, but I

1463
01:07:17,710 --> 01:07:21,590
Speaker 1: didn't hire someone. And I was 19.

1464
01:07:21,590 --> 01:07:23,790
Speaker 4: It was cute. Where did you have to follow him?

1465
01:07:23,830 --> 01:07:24,470
Speaker 2: Where was he going?

1466
01:07:25,490 --> 01:07:27,930
Speaker 1: No, it didn't really happen. Yeah, come on. I mean, yeah,

1467
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:29,790
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, my God, there he is with

1468
01:07:29,810 --> 01:07:32,850
Speaker 1: his girlfriend. He didn't tell me he had a fucking girlfriend.

1469
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: Like that kind of thing. Wow. Yeah. Like, you know,

1470
01:07:35,180 --> 01:07:37,110
Speaker 1: I'd go to dance clubs and stuff that I knew.

1471
01:07:37,410 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 4: And then did you walk up and be like, Willoughby,

1472
01:07:39,540 --> 01:07:41,420
Speaker 4: did you do one of those?

1473
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:43,940
Speaker 1: I did. Yeah. I mean, yeah.

1474
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 4: We all did. I just love that she's hiring a

1475
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 4: private detective with basically his money to follow him around.

1476
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:50,459
Speaker 1: Sure.

1477
01:07:50,980 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 2: To bust him.

1478
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:56,610
Speaker 4: So it seems the PI confirms that those suspicions are

1479
01:07:56,670 --> 01:08:00,190
Speaker 4: correct because Emma number three sends a telegram to Emma

1480
01:08:00,230 --> 01:08:01,750
Speaker 4: number two in New York City.

1481
01:08:01,870 --> 01:08:03,130
Speaker 2: Saying exactly that.

1482
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:07,970
Speaker 4: Okay. So he's got another young Emma on the line.

1483
01:08:08,590 --> 01:08:11,010
Speaker 4: So this is an awkward scenario. Emma number two is

1484
01:08:11,090 --> 01:08:12,610
Speaker 4: also Otto's ex-girlfriend.

1485
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: So gross.

1486
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 4: Gross.

1487
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 2: Sloppy seconds.

1488
01:08:15,660 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 4: But Emma number three will later say that her friend

1489
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:22,170
Speaker 4: Emma number two simply, quote, felt sorry for me, which

1490
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:25,170
Speaker 4: seems to be true because Emma number two takes a

1491
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:28,290
Speaker 4: trip down to San Antonio to be.

1492
01:08:28,170 --> 01:08:29,750
Speaker 2: There for her heartbroken friend.

1493
01:08:29,770 --> 01:08:30,410
Speaker 1: Oh, that's nice.

1494
01:08:30,590 --> 01:08:31,530
Speaker 4: I know, right?

1495
01:08:31,550 --> 01:08:31,770
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1496
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:35,470
Speaker 4: So now it's November of 1914. Oh, right.

1497
01:08:35,890 --> 01:08:36,190
Speaker 1: Okay.

1498
01:08:36,590 --> 01:08:36,790
Speaker 4: What?

1499
01:08:37,130 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 1: We're back at the.

1500
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:38,299
Speaker 4: We're back.

1501
01:08:38,310 --> 01:08:38,440
Speaker 3: Okay.

1502
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,189
Speaker 4: So it's November 1914. Emma number two has arrived in

1503
01:08:43,229 --> 01:08:48,889
Speaker 4: San Antonio. It's the afternoon of November 12th. She goes

1504
01:08:48,990 --> 01:08:52,710
Speaker 4: to the San Antonio Brewing Association to see her old

1505
01:08:52,810 --> 01:08:56,470
Speaker 4: rich ex. And during this meeting, she, Emma number two,

1506
01:08:56,689 --> 01:08:59,670
Speaker 4: asks Otto to stop by the cottage that night to

1507
01:08:59,710 --> 01:09:03,300
Speaker 4: meet with her. Emma number three, and he agrees. Shortly

1508
01:09:03,380 --> 01:09:07,490
Speaker 4: after he arrives, it all goes sideways. According to Emma

1509
01:09:07,530 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 4: number three, Otto immediately walks into her bedroom tries to

1510
01:09:11,420 --> 01:09:14,179
Speaker 4: kiss her. She pushes him away because she's still so

1511
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,660
Speaker 4: angry with him. She hired a private investigator to follow

1512
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:18,299
Speaker 4: him around.

1513
01:09:18,580 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: Oh, she's pissed.

1514
01:09:19,580 --> 01:09:23,469
Speaker 4: This situation escalates to Otto yelling at Emma number three,

1515
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:25,750
Speaker 4: calling her, quote, sick and crazy.

1516
01:09:26,310 --> 01:09:29,130
Speaker 2: And Emma, I thought that's how you liked him, Otto.

1517
01:09:29,150 --> 01:09:30,250
Speaker 4: Just a.

1518
01:09:32,430 --> 01:09:33,310
Speaker 1: Little bit of milk.

1519
01:09:34,310 --> 01:09:38,090
Speaker 4: And Emma number three yells back, quote, God will punish

1520
01:09:38,130 --> 01:09:42,450
Speaker 4: you for all you have done. And Emma number three

1521
01:09:42,530 --> 01:09:45,330
Speaker 4: says that Otto then grabs her and shakes her, but

1522
01:09:45,410 --> 01:09:47,790
Speaker 4: she manages to get away and run into an adjoining

1523
01:09:47,850 --> 01:09:50,330
Speaker 4: room because that's where she keeps her gun.

1524
01:09:50,350 --> 01:09:51,009
Speaker 1: Oh, shit.

1525
01:09:51,570 --> 01:09:54,390
Speaker 4: And this is when Emma number two runs over to

1526
01:09:54,430 --> 01:09:57,929
Speaker 4: the neighbor's house screaming for help. Back in the cottage,

1527
01:09:57,950 --> 01:10:00,610
Speaker 4: according to Emma number three, who is the only one

1528
01:10:00,650 --> 01:10:04,070
Speaker 4: who ever gets to say what happened, she heads back

1529
01:10:04,189 --> 01:10:08,740
Speaker 4: into that bedroom, but now Otto's standing there with his

1530
01:10:09,060 --> 01:10:12,420
Speaker 4: gun trained on her, and she's thinking he's gonna shoot her,

1531
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 4: so she fires several times, and 58-year-old Otto Kaler, 58. Like, 97-year-old, oh,

1532
01:10:22,580 --> 01:10:27,340
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, it's 58-year-old Otto Kaler is shot in the head, neck,

1533
01:10:27,620 --> 01:10:34,930
Speaker 4: and chest. Damn. So when Emma number three realizes that

1534
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:37,190
Speaker 4: this man is dead, she claims that she tries to

1535
01:10:37,250 --> 01:10:40,070
Speaker 4: shoot herself, but she misses, and.

1536
01:10:41,180 --> 01:10:43,820
Speaker 1: You'd think she wasn't a good shot, but guess what?

1537
01:10:44,430 --> 01:10:47,150
Speaker 4: I mean, pretty good when it's going this way. Not

1538
01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:50,430
Speaker 4: that great when it's coming back this way. A district

1539
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:53,550
Speaker 4: attorney will later say, quote, your aim was better at Mr.

1540
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:55,100
Speaker 4: Kaler than with yourself.

1541
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1542
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:57,500
Speaker 2: That's right, sir.

1543
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 4: So Emma number three grabs a knife and slashes her wrists.

1544
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:04,690
Speaker 4: But Emma number two and the neighbors run through the

1545
01:11:04,729 --> 01:11:05,870
Speaker 4: door right at that moment.

1546
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:06,810
Speaker 2: They save her.

1547
01:11:07,250 --> 01:11:09,990
Speaker 4: And when the police arrive, Emma number three tells them, quote,

1548
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:11,130
Speaker 4: I am sorry.

1549
01:11:11,340 --> 01:11:12,260
Speaker 2: But I had to kill him.

1550
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: Wow.

1551
01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 2: She tells the police that to their face.

1552
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 1: A scorned Emma.

1553
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:22,340
Speaker 4: Yeah. Don't fuck with those Emmas. Both she and Emma

1554
01:11:22,380 --> 01:11:26,440
Speaker 4: number two are arrested on the spot. So after Otto

1555
01:11:26,460 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 4: Kahler is officially pronounced dead, the authorities decide that it's

1556
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:34,370
Speaker 4: best not to tell Emma number one, Emma Kaler, because

1557
01:11:34,410 --> 01:11:37,990
Speaker 4: they're afraid the enormity of this situation will kill her immediately.

1558
01:11:38,030 --> 01:11:40,170
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of details to find out at

1559
01:11:40,210 --> 01:11:40,769
Speaker 1: that moment.

1560
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:41,330
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1561
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:42,970
Speaker 1: They're like, let's not. Yeah.

1562
01:11:43,229 --> 01:11:45,770
Speaker 2: It's going to definitely inspire a bunch of movement.

1563
01:11:45,870 --> 01:11:46,650
Speaker 4: That's for sure.

1564
01:11:46,670 --> 01:11:49,070
Speaker 2: She's like, what?

1565
01:11:49,689 --> 01:11:52,889
Speaker 1: Yeah. She's been so still for so long.

1566
01:11:52,930 --> 01:11:53,410
Speaker 2: So still.

1567
01:11:53,689 --> 01:11:54,830
Speaker 4: It's crack, crack, crack.

1568
01:11:54,850 --> 01:11:55,270
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1569
01:11:57,210 --> 01:12:00,390
Speaker 4: So she is not informed about her husband's death for

1570
01:12:00,410 --> 01:12:01,230
Speaker 4: an entire week.

1571
01:12:01,620 --> 01:12:02,560
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah.

1572
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 2: They just put it off.

1573
01:12:03,820 --> 01:12:04,660
Speaker 4: They're like, I don't know.

1574
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:05,620
Speaker 2: I don't feel like telling her.

1575
01:12:06,590 --> 01:12:10,090
Speaker 4: So since the Caglers don't have children, Otto's brothers from

1576
01:12:10,189 --> 01:12:13,189
Speaker 4: out of town and his business associates step in to

1577
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:16,490
Speaker 4: handle his affairs, and they do it very quietly because

1578
01:12:16,510 --> 01:12:19,870
Speaker 4: they're trying everything they can to avoid scandal because now

1579
01:12:20,170 --> 01:12:23,490
Speaker 4: everything is on the line, along with Prohibition looming and

1580
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:27,220
Speaker 4: the San Antonio Brewing Association lobbying hard to protect its business.

1581
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:32,850
Speaker 4: World War I is raging overseas, so... Anti-German sentiment is

1582
01:12:33,010 --> 01:12:36,019
Speaker 4: at an all-time high in America, except for at this

1583
01:12:36,100 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 4: show that I have started tonight. So a shocking extramarital

1584
01:12:41,780 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 4: love triangle murder involving a multi-millionaire beer executive where every

1585
01:12:46,020 --> 01:12:49,890
Speaker 4: player has a German surname is the ultimate PR disaster.

1586
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,230
Speaker 4: And not just for the brewery. It's bad for anyone

1587
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:56,610
Speaker 4: whose business interests are tied up with autos, and he

1588
01:12:56,650 --> 01:12:59,429
Speaker 4: has many rich and powerful business interests.

1589
01:13:00,050 --> 01:13:00,210
Speaker 3: So.

1590
01:13:00,650 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 4: the situation has to be handled.

1591
01:13:02,250 --> 01:13:03,229
Speaker 2: Very, very carefully.

1592
01:13:03,650 --> 01:13:06,570
Speaker 4: So two of Otto's friends step in to act as

1593
01:13:06,750 --> 01:13:10,670
Speaker 4: Emma two and three's lawyers. The dead man's friends are

1594
01:13:10,710 --> 01:13:14,650
Speaker 4: the lawyers. Right away, they get the charges against Emma

1595
01:13:14,689 --> 01:13:18,190
Speaker 4: number two dropped and her involvement in the whole saga

1596
01:13:18,330 --> 01:13:19,009
Speaker 4: is scrubbed.

1597
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:21,210
Speaker 1: Doesn't sound like she had much involvement to begin with.

1598
01:13:21,229 --> 01:13:24,610
Speaker 4: Yeah, she just, yeah, she just fucked an old guy.

1599
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:28,630
Speaker 4: She's like, do I have to pay for this forever?

1600
01:13:28,930 --> 01:13:32,020
Speaker 4: Can I just have my life? She actually doesn't have

1601
01:13:32,060 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 4: to testify. She goes back to New York, returns to

1602
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,729
Speaker 4: a quiet life with her husband. And this is a

1603
01:13:37,780 --> 01:13:40,630
Speaker 4: huge win for Otto's colleagues because they don't want any

1604
01:13:40,710 --> 01:13:44,830
Speaker 4: salacious information affecting their bottom lines. The next insane thing

1605
01:13:44,850 --> 01:13:48,150
Speaker 4: that happens is newspaper reports from right after the murder

1606
01:13:48,189 --> 01:13:52,100
Speaker 4: claim that Otto's friends and family do not want to press.

1607
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:53,620
Speaker 2: Charges for his murder.

1608
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,740
Speaker 4: Wow. So the problem with that is that, you know,

1609
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 4: on the scene, Emma Three was like, I had to

1610
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,990
Speaker 4: kill him. I fucking had.

1611
01:14:01,870 --> 01:14:04,009
Speaker 1: To kill him. This is why you keep your mouth shut.

1612
01:14:04,030 --> 01:14:09,179
Speaker 4: Sip it. Talk to no one. So there's no avoiding it.

1613
01:14:09,610 --> 01:14:13,670
Speaker 4: All powerful German connections aside, she must stand trial. And

1614
01:14:13,729 --> 01:14:17,309
Speaker 4: that trial is set to begin on February 1st, 1915. But,

1615
01:14:18,130 --> 01:14:19,950
Speaker 4: and I have to say, I do kind of love this,

1616
01:14:20,220 --> 01:14:21,070
Speaker 4: she's a no-show.

1617
01:14:21,530 --> 01:14:21,769
Speaker 3: What?

1618
01:14:23,740 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: Oops, she lived eight minutes away and she didn't show up.

1619
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,700
Speaker 2: I cannot go to my murder trial today.

1620
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:37,620
Speaker 4: Feel like it. Let's get high. Listen to records. Her lawyer,

1621
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,580
Speaker 4: who's an old friend of Otto's, stands up in court

1622
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,660
Speaker 4: and reads a letter that she allegedly wrote claiming that

1623
01:14:42,820 --> 01:14:46,190
Speaker 4: Emma Bumgardner, that's Emma number three, has left San Antonio

1624
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:49,269
Speaker 4: and gone back to Germany to serve as a nurse for.

1625
01:14:49,210 --> 01:14:51,070
Speaker 2: The soldiers in World War I.

1626
01:14:51,090 --> 01:14:51,770
Speaker 4: Okay.

1627
01:14:51,850 --> 01:14:53,070
Speaker 2: That's passive aggression.

1628
01:14:54,810 --> 01:14:57,450
Speaker 4: It's believed that Emma number three has been strong-armed into

1629
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:59,630
Speaker 4: doing this to ensure that she cannot testify.

1630
01:14:59,790 --> 01:14:59,890
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1631
01:15:00,430 --> 01:15:02,870
Speaker 4: The problem with that is that when she arrives in Germany,

1632
01:15:03,250 --> 01:15:06,390
Speaker 4: they see that she's a naturalized American citizen, and they

1633
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:11,570
Speaker 4: do not want her, and they send her back. Fuck. Like, dude.

1634
01:15:12,750 --> 01:15:15,970
Speaker 4: Emma number three doesn't return to San Antonio right away, though.

1635
01:15:16,210 --> 01:15:18,130
Speaker 2: She goes to New York and lives there for a

1636
01:15:18,170 --> 01:15:18,809
Speaker 2: couple years.

1637
01:15:19,150 --> 01:15:22,140
Speaker 1: Emma number two is like, get this fucking bitch away

1638
01:15:22,150 --> 01:15:22,410
Speaker 1: from me.

1639
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,340
Speaker 4: You are the craziest friend I should have never made.

1640
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1641
01:15:28,689 --> 01:15:31,550
Speaker 4: All the while, Emma number three is desperate to clear

1642
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:35,689
Speaker 4: her name, so in October of 1917, about three years

1643
01:15:36,150 --> 01:15:38,950
Speaker 4: after Otto's murder, she goes back to Texas, gets a

1644
01:15:39,050 --> 01:15:42,710
Speaker 4: new lawyer, good, and turns herself in to the police.

1645
01:15:43,330 --> 01:15:46,350
Speaker 4: But there's now a new twist in this twist-filled case,

1646
01:15:46,590 --> 01:15:51,410
Speaker 4: an Emma-filled case. Otto's widow, the first Emma, Emma Kaler,

1647
01:15:51,670 --> 01:15:55,390
Speaker 4: has since her husband's murder made a miraculous recovery.

1648
01:15:57,220 --> 01:15:57,900
Speaker 3: Am I number one?

1649
01:15:58,560 --> 01:15:59,260
Speaker 1: Back at it? Yep.

1650
01:15:59,580 --> 01:16:00,540
Speaker 4: All right.

1651
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: She's like, wow, I suddenly don't want to hide in

1652
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: my bed all day.

1653
01:16:04,340 --> 01:16:05,780
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so weird.

1654
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,940
Speaker 1: I suddenly don't hate my life anymore.

1655
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,420
Speaker 2: And I don't want any more milk.

1656
01:16:12,460 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 4: We don't know how or why it's possible specifically, but

1657
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 4: writer Robert L. Gulley has posited that maybe Dr. Tallman...

1658
01:16:20,370 --> 01:16:24,570
Speaker 4: And his quack treatments was actually contributing to her years-long

1659
01:16:24,610 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 4: condition with his, you know, milk and not moving.

1660
01:16:30,540 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 2: And her health improving.

1661
01:16:32,620 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 4: Quote, may be attributable simply to the cessation of Dr.

1662
01:16:36,020 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 2: Tallman's treatment.

1663
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:41,610
Speaker 4: So Gulley, the writer, also entertains the theory that Otto

1664
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,700
Speaker 4: knew these treatments weren't helping his wife. In fact, he

1665
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 4: saw that they weakened and incapacitated her and his, quote,

1666
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:52,179
Speaker 4: dalliances contributed to his enthusiasm for Dr.

1667
01:16:52,220 --> 01:16:53,429
Speaker 2: Tallman and his cures.

1668
01:16:53,470 --> 01:16:53,980
Speaker 1: We think so.

1669
01:16:54,150 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1670
01:16:54,350 --> 01:16:54,930
Speaker 1: That's what we all think.

1671
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:57,290
Speaker 4: We think that's kind of what happened all the time. Anyway,

1672
01:16:58,229 --> 01:17:03,370
Speaker 4: so on January 14th, 1918, Emma number three, her trial

1673
01:17:03,410 --> 01:17:07,540
Speaker 4: finally kicks off and it receives national media attention.

1674
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:13,570
Speaker 2: Here's an article about it. So, look, there's Otto. Emma

1675
01:17:13,610 --> 01:17:16,650
Speaker 2: number three. There's Emma number two, right there.

1676
01:17:16,670 --> 01:17:17,510
Speaker 1: That's her.

1677
01:17:17,850 --> 01:17:19,550
Speaker 4: She looks haunted.

1678
01:17:20,050 --> 01:17:22,219
Speaker 1: Doesn't she? She looks fucking over it.

1679
01:17:22,270 --> 01:17:23,530
Speaker 4: She's like, fuck.

1680
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:27,710
Speaker 1: Why did I get these matching Emma tattoos with this bitch?

1681
01:17:29,250 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 2: It was fun at first, but oh my god.

1682
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:34,550
Speaker 1: I know, I have E-M and she has M-A. And

1683
01:17:34,590 --> 01:17:36,189
Speaker 1: I don't even want to hold my arm up next

1684
01:17:36,210 --> 01:17:36,510
Speaker 1: to her.

1685
01:17:36,530 --> 01:17:38,150
Speaker 4: And I just need to turn it into a weird

1686
01:17:38,189 --> 01:17:41,670
Speaker 4: sunflower or something because I don't like this. Yeah. Also,

1687
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:44,089
Speaker 4: I love that they, in this article, it just included

1688
01:17:44,290 --> 01:17:45,169
Speaker 4: Otto's mansion.

1689
01:17:45,210 --> 01:17:45,470
Speaker 3: Shit.

1690
01:17:45,490 --> 01:17:48,110
Speaker 4: It's just like, it didn't happen there. They're just like,

1691
01:17:48,189 --> 01:17:50,429
Speaker 4: he lives in this fucking huge house.

1692
01:17:50,850 --> 01:17:51,689
Speaker 2: Look at this guy.

1693
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:54,729
Speaker 4: Oh, and the headline there, it reads, millionaire San Antonio

1694
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 4: brewer slain by pretty nurse in love mystery, which grows deeper.

1695
01:17:59,140 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1696
01:18:02,330 --> 01:18:05,150
Speaker 4: It also claims that Emma number three is the one

1697
01:18:05,189 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 4: who shot Otto because she believed he was going to

1698
01:18:08,060 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 4: shoot Emma number two, which doesn't line up with Emma

1699
01:18:11,540 --> 01:18:12,460
Speaker 4: number three's story.

1700
01:18:12,540 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 2: So that's what the mystery is all about.

1701
01:18:16,020 --> 01:18:19,150
Speaker 4: Anyway, at this point, Emma number one knows everything, not

1702
01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:22,010
Speaker 4: just the fact of her husband's murder, but then all

1703
01:18:22,050 --> 01:18:24,969
Speaker 4: the affairs, Emma, Emma, Emma, Emma, which is hard enough

1704
01:18:25,010 --> 01:18:28,230
Speaker 4: for her. But then considering Emma number two was supposed

1705
01:18:28,250 --> 01:18:30,660
Speaker 4: to be a very close friend of hers and someone,

1706
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 4: her caretaker, it's a betrayal upon betrayal on top of

1707
01:18:34,900 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 4: grief with a little bit of shame because we always

1708
01:18:37,220 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 4: got to do shame. And so when the trial starts,

1709
01:18:40,340 --> 01:18:43,710
Speaker 4: Emma number three makes a big impression in court. She's

1710
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:49,210
Speaker 4: reportedly dressed in a quote, plain brown coat suit. I'm

1711
01:18:49,290 --> 01:18:51,170
Speaker 4: so sorry to really put that together she makes a

1712
01:18:51,229 --> 01:18:56,939
Speaker 4: big impression she's dressed in plain brown but i think

1713
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,700
Speaker 4: what they meant is she's got a black hat with

1714
01:18:58,740 --> 01:19:03,480
Speaker 4: a veil and then on the stage she's a goth

1715
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:07,330
Speaker 4: And on the stand, she delivers what reporters describe as, quote,

1716
01:19:07,390 --> 01:19:09,490
Speaker 4: the story of her life, a story of one of

1717
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:13,730
Speaker 4: life's unfortunates. There was too many ones and lives in there.

1718
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:17,570
Speaker 4: That was much, much too hard. Okay, so M number

1719
01:19:17,610 --> 01:19:20,790
Speaker 4: three's testimony is emotionally resonant, and it's maybe even a

1720
01:19:20,810 --> 01:19:24,940
Speaker 4: bit theatrical. At times, people in the gallery clap after

1721
01:19:24,979 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 4: she testifies.

1722
01:19:26,220 --> 01:19:26,860
Speaker 2: That's not allowed.

1723
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:27,500
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to do that.

1724
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 4: You don't know that.

1725
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,820
Speaker 2: At other times, they audibly weep.

1726
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:32,420
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.

1727
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:40,070
Speaker 4: A brown suit? What are you doing with a black veil?

1728
01:19:42,290 --> 01:19:44,750
Speaker 4: In the end, Emma number three paints a very convincing

1729
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:48,860
Speaker 4: picture of killing Otto strictly in self-defense, and she closes

1730
01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:52,600
Speaker 4: her testimony by confidently saying, quote, I've never doubted I

1731
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:53,340
Speaker 4: would be acquitted.

1732
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: Mic drop.

1733
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,890
Speaker 4: And then she peaces out, flips her veil up, sticks

1734
01:19:59,910 --> 01:20:05,939
Speaker 4: her tongue out. And on January 21st, 1918, the jury

1735
01:20:05,979 --> 01:20:11,940
Speaker 4: finds her not guilty. So she, that's what we call manifesting,

1736
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen.

1737
01:20:14,060 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 2: Vision board, say it, see it, live it.

1738
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 4: Shortly after Otto's death, as Emma Kaler's health rapidly improves,

1739
01:20:21,780 --> 01:20:25,890
Speaker 4: she gets into his many business dealings, including the brewery.

1740
01:20:26,010 --> 01:20:26,390
Speaker 1: Girl.

1741
01:20:27,010 --> 01:20:29,809
Speaker 4: At So at first she isn't running the business, but

1742
01:20:29,870 --> 01:20:32,690
Speaker 4: she is its largest stakeholder and she has genuine say

1743
01:20:32,830 --> 01:20:41,179
Speaker 4: over how it's run. But by 1921, by 1921, she's

1744
01:20:41,229 --> 01:20:46,260
Speaker 4: serving as its president. And by this point, but this

1745
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 4: is what's cool. So prohibition of course gets passed, but Emma,

1746
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,139
Speaker 4: so she's like, we have to keep this brewery running

1747
01:20:53,300 --> 01:20:55,180
Speaker 4: and we have to keep all these employees, you know,

1748
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:59,980
Speaker 4: like employed. Um, so what she does is pivot the

1749
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 4: business away from beer. She starts bottling water, juice, soda,

1750
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 4: ice cream, butter, and even a near beer. They make

1751
01:21:08,270 --> 01:21:12,290
Speaker 4: like fake beer, non-alcoholic beer, a drink called La Perla.

1752
01:21:12,530 --> 01:21:14,110
Speaker 4: So it's like a, it's a little reference.

1753
01:21:14,150 --> 01:21:14,290
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1754
01:21:14,650 --> 01:21:16,950
Speaker 4: She promises her staff that she will not lay off

1755
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:20,990
Speaker 4: one single employee during this very tense time in the industry. Wow.

1756
01:21:21,330 --> 01:21:26,260
Speaker 4: So when, right. Pretty nice. So when she has to,

1757
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,900
Speaker 4: she invests her own money back into.

1758
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 2: The brewery to keep it going.

1759
01:21:30,380 --> 01:21:30,900
Speaker 1: Good for her.

1760
01:21:31,500 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 4: During Prohibition, most of the breweries in Texas go under,

1761
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:39,900
Speaker 4: not the San Antonio Brewing Association. Emma Kaler keeps it alive,

1762
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 4: and when Prohibition ends, they haven't missed a beat. They

1763
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:47,799
Speaker 4: go right back to brewing beer, and their Pearl beer

1764
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,820
Speaker 4: is immediately the most popular beer again. Oh, my God.

1765
01:21:50,979 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 4: She goes right back.

1766
01:21:54,110 --> 01:21:54,470
Speaker 1: Love it.

1767
01:21:54,930 --> 01:22:02,950
Speaker 4: Let's take a look at Emma and her beautiful pearl beer. Yes. Yes.

1768
01:22:03,450 --> 01:22:06,350
Speaker 1: Oh, look at that pearl necklace.

1769
01:22:07,390 --> 01:22:07,969
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.

1770
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:09,190
Speaker 1: That costs a lot of money.

1771
01:22:09,310 --> 01:22:09,690
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.

1772
01:22:09,970 --> 01:22:10,570
Speaker 1: Good for her.

1773
01:22:10,630 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 2: I think that dress.

1774
01:22:12,150 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 1: Everything.

1775
01:22:13,229 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 4: She's clearly dripping in diamonds and pearls. Diamonds. And she's like, hey, y'all.

1776
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:22,140
Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, drink this beer.

1777
01:22:23,740 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 4: I mean, hell yes.

1778
01:22:25,180 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 2: I mean, truly, from years of like, God, I wish

1779
01:22:28,060 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 2: I could get up.

1780
01:22:28,820 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 4: And now she's like, give me that fucking beer right now.

1781
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,860
Speaker 4: So eventually, Emma turns the reins of the business over

1782
01:22:36,900 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 4: to her nephews, who take over the brewery once she retires,

1783
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,049
Speaker 4: and it's eventually bought out by a little company you

1784
01:22:43,060 --> 01:22:43,650
Speaker 4: might have heard.

1785
01:22:43,550 --> 01:22:43,730
Speaker 3: Of, Pabst.

1786
01:22:43,740 --> 01:22:45,480
Speaker 4: On April 26, 1943, Emma Kaler passes away in San

1787
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:48,770
Speaker 4: Antonio at the age of 85.

1788
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 2: And don't applaud for that, you're disgusting.

1789
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 4: More than half a century later, around the year 2000,

1790
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:04,430
Speaker 4: the San Antonio Brewing Association shutters once and for all.

1791
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:07,810
Speaker 4: The production of pearl beer is halted for about two decades.

1792
01:23:08,150 --> 01:23:11,430
Speaker 4: And then in 2020, Pabst relaunches it on a much

1793
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:14,870
Speaker 4: smaller scale. So you can get it, I think. Not

1794
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:16,830
Speaker 4: long after the brewery, I didn't look that up. Not

1795
01:23:16,890 --> 01:23:19,970
Speaker 4: long after the brewery shuts down, a developer buys the

1796
01:23:20,030 --> 01:23:23,540
Speaker 4: property and turns it into a commercial center now known

1797
01:23:23,580 --> 01:23:30,780
Speaker 4: as the Pearl. So it has shops and restaurants and

1798
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:34,420
Speaker 4: a farmer's market. And the centerpiece of the Pearl is

1799
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:40,009
Speaker 4: a world-class hotel that opens in 2015 called Hotel Emma.

1800
01:23:40,030 --> 01:23:42,650
Speaker 4: Can you look at that?

1801
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 1: This is the lobby.

1802
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,299
Speaker 4: So that's the original. Yeah, the stuff from the brewery,

1803
01:23:50,340 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 4: but that's in the fucking lobby. You guys, good job.

1804
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:54,620
Speaker 1: I love it.

1805
01:23:54,620 --> 01:24:00,139
Speaker 4: People get so drunk at the hotel, Emma. This hotel

1806
01:24:00,180 --> 01:24:03,440
Speaker 4: has done an amazing job preserving many of the original

1807
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:08,809
Speaker 4: brewery features as well as its lesser known history. Today

1808
01:24:08,970 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 4: at the Hotel Emma, you can order a cocktail at

1809
01:24:11,610 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 4: its gorgeous bar that honors all three Emmas in one glass.

1810
01:24:15,620 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 2: It's called the Three Emmas.

1811
01:24:17,700 --> 01:24:25,330
Speaker 4: And the hotel's vice president of marketing, Beth Smith, says, quote, Grapefruit,

1812
01:24:25,390 --> 01:24:28,189
Speaker 4: the Texas fruit, is part of the base. Emma number one,

1813
01:24:28,250 --> 01:24:31,750
Speaker 4: the wife, is represented with a pearl beer with rose syrup.

1814
01:24:32,070 --> 01:24:35,750
Speaker 4: Emma number two, Emma Dunkey, is represented with sherry. And

1815
01:24:35,950 --> 01:24:39,590
Speaker 4: Emma number three, Emma Bergermeister, is gin. We have a

1816
01:24:39,610 --> 01:24:42,830
Speaker 4: little saying that one is great, but three will kill you.

1817
01:24:42,850 --> 01:24:47,490
Speaker 4: And that's the story of the San Antonio beer titan,

1818
01:24:47,670 --> 01:24:48,750
Speaker 4: Otto Kaler.

1819
01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:48,930
Speaker 3: Yay!

1820
01:24:53,470 --> 01:24:54,110
Speaker 4: Excellent.

1821
01:24:55,020 --> 01:24:55,580
Speaker 1: Excellent.

1822
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:56,460
Speaker 2: That's a nice one.

1823
01:24:56,900 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 1: Great job.

1824
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:58,150
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1825
01:24:58,270 --> 01:25:03,809
Speaker 1: Wow. Do we have time for our home team?

1826
01:25:04,110 --> 01:25:12,140
Speaker 2: Let's do it. Let's do it.

1827
01:25:17,500 --> 01:25:23,030
Speaker 4: Did somebody say past? Vince Abrel, everybody. Vince Abrel is

1828
01:25:23,090 --> 01:25:23,530
Speaker 4: right here.

1829
01:25:24,970 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 1: All right.

1830
01:25:27,540 --> 01:25:30,150
Speaker 4: I come bearing no anecdote tonight. I don't have any

1831
01:25:30,189 --> 01:25:30,940
Speaker 4: anecdotes to share.

1832
01:25:30,970 --> 01:25:33,189
Speaker 3: I'm just here to facilitate and make sure that the

1833
01:25:33,290 --> 01:25:35,229
Speaker 3: person you picked is lucid.

1834
01:25:35,810 --> 01:25:37,310
Speaker 4: I'll be right there.

1835
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:38,250
Speaker 1: Do your best.

1836
01:25:39,170 --> 01:25:41,010
Speaker 4: Thanks so much. Thank you, Vince. Okay, we're going to

1837
01:25:41,050 --> 01:25:42,970
Speaker 4: tell you a couple rules real quick. I know that

1838
01:25:43,010 --> 01:25:45,430
Speaker 4: everybody gets very excited about this part, but you should

1839
01:25:45,450 --> 01:25:47,169
Speaker 4: adhere to some rules.

1840
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:49,509
Speaker 1: We're going to do a hometown. Make sure it's from Texas.

1841
01:25:49,570 --> 01:25:50,189
Speaker 4: Please.

1842
01:25:50,490 --> 01:25:51,430
Speaker 2: That's what people like.

1843
01:25:52,150 --> 01:25:53,269
Speaker 4: The more local, the better.

1844
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:53,889
Speaker 2: That's great.

1845
01:25:54,030 --> 01:25:56,310
Speaker 4: Also, don't be so drunk you can't tell your own story.

1846
01:25:56,729 --> 01:25:58,100
Speaker 4: Don't read off paper.

1847
01:25:58,110 --> 01:25:59,189
Speaker 1: Beginning, middle, end.

1848
01:25:59,300 --> 01:26:01,780
Speaker 4: Beginning, middle, end. Make sure it's good.

1849
01:26:01,820 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1850
01:26:02,540 --> 01:26:03,380
Speaker 2: And good luck.

1851
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 4: And good luck, ladies and gentlemen. We're just going to

1852
01:26:05,220 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 4: pick the hometown right now. Let's see.

1853
01:26:09,060 --> 01:26:12,220
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and the costume, whatever it is. Come here.

1854
01:26:12,860 --> 01:26:13,380
Speaker 4: What's your name?

1855
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:15,860
Speaker 3: My name's Erin. Hi, Erin.

1856
01:26:16,340 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 1: Is that a beaver?

1857
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,580
Speaker 4: Nice to meet you. This is Erin, everybody. Erin.

1858
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,140
Speaker 3: Nice to meet you.

1859
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 4: Tell us about your costume.

1860
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:27,410
Speaker 3: Okay, so... My story revolved, I was wearing this costume

1861
01:26:27,470 --> 01:26:30,620
Speaker 3: when I carried a dead body one time.

1862
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 4: Oh my God.

1863
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:34,260
Speaker 1: You picked her, you were pointing at her, so this

1864
01:26:34,300 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 1: is all on you.

1865
01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:38,070
Speaker 4: Is it like a reference to anything?

1866
01:26:39,010 --> 01:26:41,070
Speaker 3: Well, so I thought it was a moose costume this

1867
01:26:41,090 --> 01:26:42,350
Speaker 3: whole time, but I think it's a reindeer.

1868
01:26:43,860 --> 01:26:46,020
Speaker 1: I was going to go Bucky Beaver, but I don't

1869
01:26:46,060 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 1: think so.

1870
01:26:46,660 --> 01:26:51,070
Speaker 4: You guys are just wearing pajamas, right? That's kind of

1871
01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:51,570
Speaker 4: what you did?

1872
01:26:52,110 --> 01:26:52,309
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1873
01:26:52,570 --> 01:26:55,130
Speaker 3: No, I'm staying with my older sister like 15 minutes away.

1874
01:26:55,170 --> 01:26:57,950
Speaker 3: I grew up in Austin. And she was like, I

1875
01:26:57,970 --> 01:26:59,750
Speaker 3: was like, I'm going to try to jump up and

1876
01:26:59,790 --> 01:27:01,490
Speaker 3: I'm trying to say my story.

1877
01:27:01,530 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 4: And she goes, and what are you wearing?

1878
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 3: I really second-guessed it.

1879
01:27:07,140 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 1: But here you are.

1880
01:27:08,060 --> 01:27:11,900
Speaker 3: But okay, this happened in 2021, one of the two

1881
01:27:11,939 --> 01:27:14,860
Speaker 3: like big Texas freezes that we had. This was like

1882
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:20,590
Speaker 3: February 16th. Y'all know what I'm talking about? Okay, so

1883
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:26,870
Speaker 3: Valentine's Day of that year, my roommate, her boyfriend stood

1884
01:27:26,890 --> 01:27:30,939
Speaker 3: her up on Valentine's Day, very sad, blasted Paramore through

1885
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:33,900
Speaker 3: the entire house, was running around and I was like,

1886
01:27:34,100 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 3: go Kelly, like get it.

1887
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 4: And then she kicked the step.

1888
01:27:38,060 --> 01:27:38,940
Speaker 3: And I heard a snap.

1889
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 4: Oh, and she died and you had to carry her body?

1890
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 4: That's terrible.

1891
01:27:44,540 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, that's just a small part of the story. It

1892
01:27:46,660 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with her, but that's a reference.

1893
01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:48,600
Speaker 1: Okay.

1894
01:27:49,010 --> 01:27:53,870
Speaker 3: So then two days later, I hate, I hate like

1895
01:27:54,090 --> 01:27:57,330
Speaker 3: not control, you know, being out of control. And I

1896
01:27:57,370 --> 01:27:59,030
Speaker 3: was planning on going to visit my twin sister in

1897
01:27:59,070 --> 01:27:59,870
Speaker 3: North Carolina.

1898
01:28:00,070 --> 01:28:00,349
Speaker 1: Okay.

1899
01:28:00,370 --> 01:28:04,470
Speaker 3: But all the flights were canceled. So all my friends

1900
01:28:04,490 --> 01:28:05,870
Speaker 3: were like, we're going to go to a place that

1901
01:28:05,890 --> 01:28:09,640
Speaker 3: has power and warmth. And I said, y'all go. I'm

1902
01:28:09,660 --> 01:28:12,460
Speaker 3: going to stay overnight, and I'm going to be in

1903
01:28:12,860 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 3: the warmth, okay? So I'm home alone. It's freezing. I

1904
01:28:15,900 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 3: started a fire, whatever. Next morning, so all my roommates

1905
01:28:18,939 --> 01:28:20,820
Speaker 3: are gone. I get this knock on my door early

1906
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:23,580
Speaker 3: in the morning, and I'm like, what the heck is that?

1907
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:25,460
Speaker 3: I'm packing to get out of this place, you know?

1908
01:28:26,300 --> 01:28:28,100
Speaker 3: Opens the door. It's my neighbor, and she says, I

1909
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:29,680
Speaker 3: think my husband's dead.

1910
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:31,939
Speaker 2: How old is she?

1911
01:28:32,540 --> 01:28:36,460
Speaker 3: She's about, what? Betty, she was like, she was 78.

1912
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:37,179
Speaker 1: Okay.

1913
01:28:37,180 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 3: 78. Okay.

1914
01:28:37,380 --> 01:28:37,440
Speaker 1: Oh.

1915
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:43,580
Speaker 3: Beautiful, wonderful. She was wearing flip flops. And like, I

1916
01:28:44,140 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 3: was like, and okay. And so I wear, so all

1917
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:50,740
Speaker 3: night and there was no power. So I was wearing this, sweatpants,

1918
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 3: dolphin slippers, a bomber jacket from World War II that

1919
01:28:55,700 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 3: I just got gifted.

1920
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,979
Speaker 1: And so I'm not thinking about anything.

1921
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:01,680
Speaker 3: So the first thing I said, oh my gosh, come in,

1922
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:03,780
Speaker 3: come in. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I give

1923
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,230
Speaker 3: her my dolphin slippers. I give her my bomber jacket.

1924
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:10,110
Speaker 3: I'm thinking like her husband died overnight. And then she goes,

1925
01:29:10,330 --> 01:29:13,750
Speaker 3: so your roommate broke her foot. I was like, Betty, what?

1926
01:29:14,170 --> 01:29:16,010
Speaker 4: You said your husband's dead.

1927
01:29:16,430 --> 01:29:19,850
Speaker 3: And so what happened was I was like, oh my gosh,

1928
01:29:19,870 --> 01:29:21,410
Speaker 3: it's right now. So I give her that. I said,

1929
01:29:21,450 --> 01:29:22,990
Speaker 3: I'm going to go over. So I'm running over. I

1930
01:29:23,010 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 3: feel like I'm in Fargo. Like I'm wearing, I'm right now.

1931
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:28,480
Speaker 3: So they gave that away. I'm a moose in sweatpants

1932
01:29:28,820 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 3: and I'm running across and I have 911 on the

1933
01:29:31,020 --> 01:29:34,100
Speaker 3: phone on hold for four minutes. Okay. And I find

1934
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 3: him in a lawn chair in the living room and like,

1935
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 3: He's still alive. I couldn't give him CPR because like,

1936
01:29:42,100 --> 01:29:44,860
Speaker 3: he was like a six, two dude. And it would

1937
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:46,420
Speaker 3: have been dangerous to put him down in the lawn

1938
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:48,180
Speaker 3: chair and like this kind of ground, you know? Yeah.

1939
01:29:48,580 --> 01:29:52,910
Speaker 3: And so I'm just like waiting there. And finally, uh,

1940
01:29:53,170 --> 01:29:54,469
Speaker 3: the EMTs.

1941
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:54,770
Speaker 1: Yes.

1942
01:29:54,850 --> 01:29:57,510
Speaker 3: That's what they're called. They come in there, take like

1943
01:29:57,870 --> 01:29:59,290
Speaker 3: seven minutes to put on their COVID gear.

1944
01:29:59,310 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 4: And I'm like, Like he's in there.

1945
01:30:01,700 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 1: That is important.

1946
01:30:02,420 --> 01:30:03,299
Speaker 4: Yes, it was important.

1947
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 3: And then Betty comes over. So she has a dolphin

1948
01:30:05,350 --> 01:30:07,810
Speaker 3: slippers and the, and the jacket and I'm like this.

1949
01:30:08,010 --> 01:30:10,490
Speaker 3: And then the whole time they're trying to save his life.

1950
01:30:10,570 --> 01:30:12,270
Speaker 3: And she goes like, I told him to go to

1951
01:30:12,310 --> 01:30:14,090
Speaker 3: the doctor. I just said that.

1952
01:30:14,830 --> 01:30:16,770
Speaker 4: And I'm just like, she's mad at him.

1953
01:30:17,210 --> 01:30:20,430
Speaker 3: And she goes, yeah, but the thing was when he died,

1954
01:30:20,550 --> 01:30:21,510
Speaker 3: she was making tea.

1955
01:30:22,610 --> 01:30:25,180
Speaker 4: Well, you know, grief has all kinds of forms.

1956
01:30:25,220 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, it does, it does.

1957
01:30:26,580 --> 01:30:27,500
Speaker 4: It comes out in different ways.

1958
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1959
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:30,139
Speaker 4: How did you get to carry this man?

1960
01:30:30,780 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 3: Oh, sorry, yes.

1961
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 2: That's okay.

1962
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,420
Speaker 3: So, along with the four minutes on hold, it was

1963
01:30:35,460 --> 01:30:39,590
Speaker 3: because of how devastating, like, this time was. Like, Texas

1964
01:30:39,620 --> 01:30:41,450
Speaker 3: homes and all that are not built for this kind

1965
01:30:41,490 --> 01:30:45,430
Speaker 3: of weather. And so, there was a lot of tragedy. Like,

1966
01:30:45,590 --> 01:30:48,890
Speaker 3: the reason we called, they didn't have any children, and

1967
01:30:48,930 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 3: we called all these funeral homes, and we're like, we

1968
01:30:52,979 --> 01:30:54,950
Speaker 3: need someone and no one could pick them up for

1969
01:30:54,990 --> 01:30:56,150
Speaker 3: like a couple of days.

1970
01:30:56,470 --> 01:30:57,350
Speaker 4: Oh, it was horrible.

1971
01:30:57,450 --> 01:30:57,830
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1972
01:30:57,990 --> 01:30:59,570
Speaker 3: And we finally found one that could pick them up

1973
01:30:59,590 --> 01:31:03,210
Speaker 3: in like six hours, but they, uh, finally send someone

1974
01:31:03,390 --> 01:31:07,900
Speaker 3: and they sent, uh, someone that looks like the beautiful

1975
01:31:08,340 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 3: late actor, like Leslie Jones.

1976
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:13,879
Speaker 4: Leslie Jones, who was on SNL.

1977
01:31:14,220 --> 01:31:15,780
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like this tall.

1978
01:31:15,820 --> 01:31:20,129
Speaker 2: She's alive. No, wait, let, uh, Leslie Jordan.

1979
01:31:20,170 --> 01:31:20,510
Speaker 1: Leslie Jordan.

1980
01:31:21,010 --> 01:31:21,210
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1981
01:31:21,270 --> 01:31:22,450
Speaker 1: Leslie Jordan.

1982
01:31:22,530 --> 01:31:23,390
Speaker 4: Leslie Jordan.

1983
01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:34,650
Speaker 3: Also, an amazing....

1984
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:28,910
Speaker 4: Love her.

1985
01:31:29,220 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 3: Love her. Wrap it up. Okay.

1986
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 4: This tall. Okay?

1987
01:31:33,020 --> 01:31:33,820
Speaker 1: To carry the big man.

1988
01:31:33,900 --> 01:31:34,509
Speaker 4: Oh, yes, yes, yes.

1989
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 3: And so he says, I'm going to need a couple

1990
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 3: able-bodied women. And so we had to carry him. Luckily,

1991
01:31:41,620 --> 01:31:43,089
Speaker 3: he was a veteran, so we got to put the

1992
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:47,150
Speaker 3: flag over him. Yeah, his name was Dean James. A

1993
01:31:47,189 --> 01:31:48,170
Speaker 3: wonderful man.

1994
01:31:48,750 --> 01:31:49,070
Speaker 4: All right.

1995
01:31:49,170 --> 01:31:51,689
Speaker 3: And we put him in there.

1996
01:31:51,710 --> 01:31:55,170
Speaker 4: Well, good job getting in there. She didn't kill him.

1997
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:56,450
Speaker 3: Okay, good. She didn't kill him.

1998
01:31:56,530 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 1: She was making tea.

1999
01:31:58,080 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 4: She was making tea.

2000
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,520
Speaker 1: She just was mad that he never went to the doctor.

2001
01:32:01,540 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 4: You know what you did? You just earned yourself an Uncrustable,

2002
01:32:05,180 --> 01:32:06,540
Speaker 4: my friend. Oh, my God. Yeah.

2003
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2004
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:13,830
Speaker 4: And a hot dog. Amazing job. Giving me a track. Absolutely.

2005
01:32:14,030 --> 01:32:21,050
Speaker 4: Great job. Great job. Was it a donkey?

2006
01:32:22,430 --> 01:32:25,490
Speaker 1: Donkey. Wow.

2007
01:32:25,510 --> 01:32:26,349
Speaker 2: You're not going to give this?

2008
01:32:26,570 --> 01:32:27,070
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2009
01:32:27,090 --> 01:32:28,490
Speaker 1: It got lost in the.

2010
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:30,370
Speaker 2: I think you deserve this too.

2011
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:36,750
Speaker 1: We have a stress hot dogs, the merch booth, because

2012
01:32:36,790 --> 01:32:37,610
Speaker 1: of course we do.

2013
01:32:37,630 --> 01:32:40,150
Speaker 4: Great job.

2014
01:32:40,510 --> 01:32:41,170
Speaker 1: Unbelievable.

2015
01:32:41,689 --> 01:32:42,290
Speaker 2: What a hang.

2016
01:32:42,410 --> 01:32:49,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Texas, Austin. Wow. Thank you for two incredible shows.

2017
01:32:49,740 --> 01:32:52,010
Speaker 2: And there's I mean, can I just say this?

2018
01:32:52,270 --> 01:32:54,910
Speaker 4: When we very first started this podcast and we very

2019
01:32:54,970 --> 01:32:57,990
Speaker 4: first went on tour, our touring agent was like, here's

2020
01:32:58,020 --> 01:32:59,820
Speaker 4: the places you have to hit because this is where

2021
01:32:59,860 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 4: you have the most listeners.

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Speaker 2: And when he said Texas, we were like, no, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: And Texas was like number one. We're like, they don't

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Speaker 1: like us.

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Speaker 4: There's no way they like us. We're from Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: So we knew this.

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Speaker 4: Tour, we wanted it to be a little shorter than

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Speaker 4: our usual that are insane and never stop.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: So if we're going to come back to Texas, sorry,

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Speaker 4: we want to come to Austin. So thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: We love this town.

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Speaker 3: We do.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you, guys.

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Speaker 4: We're just so happy to be here. Thank you for

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Speaker 4: being with us through all the craziness all these years.

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Speaker 4: It's been almost 10 years of this podcast. And we

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Speaker 4: really appreciate all of you and your passion and your

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Speaker 4: love and your wonderful anecdotes. Stay sexy.

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Speaker 2: Bye, Austin.

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Speaker 1: Elvis, do you want a cookie?

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Speaker 2: This has been an Exactly Right production.

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Speaker 1: Our managing producer is Molly Smith.

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Speaker 4: Our consulting producer is Kate Schellenbach.

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Speaker 1: Our creative lead is Allison Agosti.

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Speaker 4: Our associate producer is Tessa Hughes, and our editor is

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Speaker 4: Aristotle Acevedo.

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Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Liana Squalacci.

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Speaker 4: Our researchers are Maren McGlashan and Allie Elkin.

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Speaker 1: Email your hometowns to myfavoritemurder at gmail.com and follow the

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