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Speaker 2: This is the official show on the Fish Drives podcast

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Speaker 2: channel where we cover your Miami Marlins every day in

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Speaker 2: on this side of the series. A series that we

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Speaker 2: did last year brought back this year in a slightly

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Speaker 2: a refresher for everybody. The players we highlighted in iole

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Speaker 2: one players that had one or less wins above replacement

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Speaker 2: variety of trade and potential free agent targets for the

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Speaker 2: Marlins off the top. I just want one sentence from

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Speaker 2: me to you guys on this Of all those players

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Speaker 2: would be in Marlin next year, who would it be?

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Speaker 1: I will start with myself.

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Speaker 2: I predict that the Marlins will acquire out of that list.

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Speaker 2: I think they'll get Royce Lewis. I think they'll make

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Speaker 2: a bold trade for Royce Lewis. If you had to

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Speaker 2: pick anybody from Io one Kevin that we featured, Loriano, Lewis, Chaffin, Hands, Gallow, Grossman, Gorman, Frasier, Walsh, Outman,

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Speaker 2: which of those do you think is most realistic that

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Speaker 3: That is difficult to choose that I think I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go Royce Lewis. I think I think they

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Speaker 4: Being that this team isn't a stranger to moves that

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Speaker 4: You know, Iowan is Isle one and we're on to Isle.

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Speaker 2: Two, right, So by definition the way we categorize that

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Speaker 2: we're doing is moving up the winds above replacement scale

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Speaker 2: players will feature. Here are guys who last season in

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Speaker 1: Three wins above replacement players.

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Speaker 2: That I mean generally you're talking about league average, everyday players,

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Speaker 2: much sexier group of a lot of as we'll find out,

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Speaker 2: And as before, we're gonna look at both free agents

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Speaker 1: He's been an All Star before.

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Speaker 2: And the Pirates coming off a year where they were

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Speaker 2: And so I'm somebody that's still relatively high on him,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so strange. The dichonomy that presents itself is

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Speaker 4: He was cost a team a full win by defensive

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Speaker 4: has twenty five homer power. He's not a burner on

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Speaker 4: I had him on my list as well as guys

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Speaker 4: But I think he would give them a premium bat

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Speaker 1: Anything else, Kevin that we should mention about Reynolds.

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Speaker 3: That's really the only thing I want to add to

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Speaker 2: Right so we will find out he is. He defends

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Speaker 2: But right now in that sweet spot do about six

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Speaker 2: over the next few years. He really is in that

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Speaker 2: around him this offseason. But Kevin, give us another name

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Speaker 3: All right, So I'm gonna name another big elephant. I

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Speaker 1: He was a finalist.

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Speaker 2: He loves Verro junior of all people.

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Speaker 4: Like Kevin noted he has the player option. Believe it's

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Speaker 4: So I think if you can't get Anthony Rizzo, you

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Speaker 2: names in their infield this past year and it just

434
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Speaker 2: didn't work.

435
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Speaker 3: You know.

436
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Speaker 2: Those guys just didn't produce, so nothing else. They're just

437
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Speaker 2: looking for change of scenery at those spots. I definitely

438
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Speaker 2: see the fit there for Drewy.

439
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Speaker 4: I wanted to clarify sixty second percentile and a hard

440
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Speaker 4: hit rate. If he had hard hit rate, we'd be

441
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Speaker 4: talking about a contract that we may have never seen before.

442
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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I like I like Brandon Dury. I

443
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Speaker 3: believe he was on the Reds this year, got traded

444
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Speaker 3: to the Padres. He actually got traded in Miami, so

445
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Speaker 3: he was here when when he got dealt, and he

446
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Speaker 3: did not make the All Star Game. Surprisingly, I remember

447
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Speaker 3: mentioning to you guys early on in the season when

448
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Speaker 3: this team was in it, the Marlins at the time

449
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Speaker 3: were in it, and as an option because he was

450
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Speaker 3: just having a great season. And I believe he was

451
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Speaker 3: on a minor league deal or such a a super

452
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Speaker 3: cheap deal, and he's definitely gonna be making a good

453
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Speaker 3: amount of money if he keeps this up next season.

454
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Speaker 3: And now that's a great signing wherever you put him

455
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Speaker 3: in the infield, and it'll make a lot of sense.

456
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Speaker 2: Because we mentioned him, I might as well bring up

457
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Speaker 2: a teammate of Toruries towards the end of the year

458
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Speaker 2: as the next player with the Padres, and that is

459
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Speaker 2: trents Grisham.

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Speaker 1: Good.

461
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Speaker 2: That's that's a good thing that there's some overlaps overthinking

462
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Speaker 2: of and off the top. I need a credit arm

463
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Speaker 2: Leyden of Just Baseball, because he's the one that kind

464
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Speaker 2: of brownzs my head that he might actually be available

465
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Speaker 2: as a trade candidate even though he was close to

466
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Speaker 2: an everyday player on a contending team and he's still affordable.

467
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Speaker 2: He didn't have a good year offensively, that's just being

468
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Speaker 2: blunt about it. It was a disappointing year for him

469
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Speaker 2: during the regular season and really with the exception of

470
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Speaker 2: the NLDS and the wild card series as well, when

471
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Speaker 2: he was the hottest guy on the padres. Everything outside

472
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Speaker 2: of that was a disappointment. With the bad he slashed

473
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Speaker 2: one eighty four, two eighty four three p forty one. Uh,

474
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Speaker 2: he had a good amount of over.

475
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Speaker 1: In the fence power.

476
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Speaker 2: He had a career high seventeen home runs while playing

477
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Speaker 2: pretty much a full season. It's just that, obviously, as

478
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Speaker 2: I just said, he wasn't getting on base, he wasn't

479
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Speaker 2: getting hits, and he was somebody that the batting average

480
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Speaker 2: on balls and play super duper low two thirty one,

481
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Speaker 2: where the league averages in the two nineties. So there

482
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Speaker 2: was some bad luck in there, no doubt, and there

483
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 2: was were talked about the shifts and impact on defensive players.

484
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: He's somebody that as a lefty hitter with that low

485
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 2: BABBB naturally you'd expect some regression to the mean when

486
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Speaker 2: it comes to that next year. There's no doubt about

487
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Speaker 2: it that he's going to be health permitting. He's going

488
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Speaker 2: to be a better hitter moving forward than he was

489
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. His career number is basically a

490
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Speaker 2: league average hitter throughout his career, even including last season.

491
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Speaker 2: So he has a track record to be encouraged about.

492
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Speaker 2: And he's probably one of the younger players we're going

493
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Speaker 2: to discuss. He just turned twenty six years old, so

494
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: he still should be in the very prime of his career,

495
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: just entering arbitration eligibility. And the reason why that, above

496
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Speaker 2: all else that he's exciting is that defensively in center field,

497
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Speaker 2: he is awesome. He's an awesome defensive center fielder. The

498
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Speaker 2: metrics degree, I think he just won the gold Glove

499
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Speaker 2: again this year, his second gold Glove in three years.

500
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Speaker 2: Well too.

501
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Speaker 5: The right center field long run, Gresham will dive and

502
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Speaker 5: make the catch in right center. Trent Gresham with a

503
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Speaker 5: great catch from left center to right center, diving to

504
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Speaker 5: rob Jock Peterson.

505
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Speaker 2: Just by the eye tests, he passed it as well,

506
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Speaker 2: not like a ridiculous athlete, but a tremendous fundamental defender,

507
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Speaker 2: somebody that gets has great instincts, that gets a very

508
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: quick first step when pursuing balls, and so that is

509
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Speaker 2: one very specific need that the Marlins have. His center

510
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Speaker 2: field defense. We talked about the questions, but Brian Reynolds

511
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Speaker 2: and Grisham almost has is like the mirror image the

512
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Speaker 2: opposite of him, one to eighty of him, where I

513
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Speaker 2: think you could trust the defense about as well as anybody,

514
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: and you're just hoping that the offense bounces back to

515
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: like a league average level. And if you put that

516
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Speaker 2: all together, then he just fits very seamlessly into the

517
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Speaker 2: openings that the Marlins have.

518
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Speaker 1: What do they think.

519
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 2: About mister Grisham potentially on the move, and what do

520
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: we think would cost to acquire him in the trade.

521
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting because it's down here. You would assume

522
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Speaker 3: the value would be down in terms of what you're

523
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Speaker 3: giving up, because maybe it would definitely be a prospect.

524
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Speaker 3: I would assume. I don't know how much major league

525
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Speaker 3: talent they really want from the Marlins, unless they really

526
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Speaker 3: want some type of picture or one of their relievers.

527
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Speaker 3: But I don't really know if they would really want

528
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Speaker 3: major league talent. But he did have a big down here.

529
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Speaker 3: That's something I noticed, And once again you mentioned arm Layton.

530
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Speaker 3: That is the only reason why I put him on

531
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Speaker 3: this because I mentioned him and I was very intrigued.

532
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 3: Gold Glove winner twenty twenty two, and he also wanted

533
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Speaker 3: to believe a couple of years back, as you mentioned too.

534
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 3: But his power still there is seventeen homers, I mean,

535
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: more than a lot more than every other Marlin on

536
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Speaker 3: the roster at the moment. He would fill that void

537
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 3: very quickly in center field. And he has a pretty

538
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Speaker 3: okay track record besides this year, I mean, hitting in

539
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 3: the two fifties and right below that as well. It's

540
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Speaker 3: just the decent hitter. You're mainly bringing him in for

541
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Speaker 3: the defense, I would assume, and I don't know what

542
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 3: value would be, that's a very very good question. I

543
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: would assume maybe a prospect or too for Trent Grisham,

544
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Speaker 3: unless San Diego wants some to big league talent from

545
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Speaker 3: the Marlins, maybe Brian Anderson, who knows.

546
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Speaker 4: I mean, they could dig into the big league pitching.

547
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 4: I mean, they could part with a Braxton Garrett if

548
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Speaker 4: you want to get kind of wilder that they could

549
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 4: even flirt with the idea of parting with an Eddie Cabrera.

550
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 4: I mean, he wants to say that would happen it's

551
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Speaker 4: just that maybe what it takes you talk about this guy.

552
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 4: I mean, the first image that a lot of us

553
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Speaker 4: have of Grisham is bobbling that ground ball in the

554
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 4: wild card game in right field when he was still

555
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 4: a Brewer, and we're like, oh my god, this is

556
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 4: gonna like eat up at this guy forever, like he's

557
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 4: like never gonna recover from this. And the exact oppoice

558
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 4: has been the case. Like you know, Eli talked about

559
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 4: the low babbit. The one thing that contributed it a lot,

560
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Speaker 4: so that was the slight rise in the strikeout rate,

561
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 4: like he struck out twenty eight percent of the time

562
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Speaker 4: this year. But the dichotomy that presents itself is like

563
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Speaker 4: he was in the eight i think in the ninety

564
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 4: second percentile and chase rate, so like he has a

565
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 4: good knowledge of the strike zone. He also obviously the

566
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Speaker 4: defense is one thing you talked about the fact that

567
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,479
Speaker 4: he doesn't get the best jumps, still in the seventy

568
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 4: six percentile in outfielder jumps, so he gets pretty good

569
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 4: reads on the ball eighty third percent down wall. Great,

570
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 4: Like the guy has a knowledge of the strike zone

571
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Speaker 4: where like even when he's not hitting, and again like

572
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Speaker 4: you said, he I don't suspect he's gonna, you know,

573
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Speaker 4: come to being a one eighty hitter year in and

574
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 4: year out. If that's the case, I mean, he would

575
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 4: just be like another Kevin Kiermyer with like even lower

576
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 4: batting average and like like Max Kepler esque babbit numbers.

577
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Speaker 4: It's just like incredibly unlucky the powers there. I mean,

578
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 4: like he's kind of like a stock that you feel

579
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 4: confident in acquiring that has the potential to maybe give

580
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 4: you more in return on the offensive side, because I

581
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 4: believe his career ps is seven to eleven, So like

582
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Speaker 4: he's a like you said about a league average hitter.

583
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Speaker 4: There's lots of like there. I mean, the defense would

584
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 4: be something that you would shore up for sure. Obviously

585
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 4: the new shift rules won't affect outfielders as much. I

586
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 4: think that's more like infield specific as far as shifting those.

587
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, he's a stock that I think is worthy

588
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Speaker 4: investing in. I mean, listen, the Marlins. One of the

589
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 4: main reasons I think as a front office that you

590
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 4: draft so much pitching and it's fundamental to have a

591
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 4: lot of pitching is in the event of trading or

592
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 4: require hiring more quis talent or talent that can further

593
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 4: help roster. You could trade from that pitching depth, and

594
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 4: I think the Marlins will have enough of that. You

595
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 4: know they're not gonna park with the year Perez. Is

596
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 4: that worth that not? Even you know you can part

597
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 4: with a Braxton Garrett or an Eddie Cabrera. And if

598
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 4: you really think a change of scenery is meant, I

599
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Speaker 4: don't think it will happen. Trevor Rodgers could find himself

600
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Speaker 4: in San Diego. Again. This is also this is all suspicion,

601
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Speaker 4: not saying any of this has credence. I don't know

602
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Speaker 4: if it'll happen, but you know, the Marlins aren't a

603
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Speaker 4: stranger to making off season trades, as we saw with Stallings,

604
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Speaker 4: and you know they made trades before, so it's not

605
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Speaker 4: like this is something to put past them.

606
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Speaker 3: And I did mention you know this would be kind

607
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Speaker 3: of a stalling situation, but he would actually provide a

608
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Speaker 3: lot more hitting. Let's just say that it's it would

609
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Speaker 3: be mainly a defensive oriented move here to bring in

610
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Speaker 3: a guy like Grisham, who who would man down that

611
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Speaker 3: center field, and that's the guy you'll have for a

612
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Speaker 3: hopefully a very long time until he's old.

613
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Speaker 2: Yeah, give us another player, Ken all.

614
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Speaker 3: Right, I'm gonna keep it on the Padres. I think

615
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: this will be a very Padres dedicated episodes because there's

616
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Speaker 3: one more player we have to mention. But first I'm

617
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Speaker 3: gonna go with the first pitcher, who is Robert Suarez,

618
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 3: free agent for the San Diego Padres, just wrapping up

619
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Speaker 3: his first season with them. I believe he was in

620
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Speaker 3: I want to say Korea, he was. I know he

621
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 3: was playing overseas, so this Japan, there we go. He

622
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: was five and one two twenty seven ERA one save,

623
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Speaker 3: forty seven innings, pitch three, twenty two FIP, sixty one strikeouts,

624
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Speaker 3: twenty one walks, four homers, forty three percent round ball rate,

625
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: eleven percent flyball the home run rate. This guy could

626
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Speaker 3: go late in the innings. We've seen him. I believe

627
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Speaker 3: it was mainly the postseason when we started seeing him

628
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Speaker 3: and towards the end of the year going deep, going

629
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Speaker 3: into being put into later innings. He doesn't give up

630
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Speaker 3: much fly balls, which is good. He has a high

631
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Speaker 3: ground ball rate, so I guess to Richard Blier comparison,

632
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Speaker 3: if you want to throw it in there, but shouldn't

633
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: cost too much with only one season under his belt.

634
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: I don't think he'd be the most expensive reliever out

635
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: there when you when you know you have someone like

636
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 3: Adam Outovina who had an amazing season, and he actually

637
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: does fall into this category as well, So I won't

638
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 3: see who may mention him there. But he's much better

639
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: than every other option in the bullpen right now, So

640
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: he would definitely be someone who you would maybe try

641
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 3: to throw into that closers role at the beginning of

642
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: the season and see how that goes if now you

643
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: put him in the seventh or eighth inning guy to

644
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: a setup role there. But I do like Robert swaz

645
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: and Eli had mentioned him, I believe will I think

646
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Speaker 3: during that wild Card series against the Mets as a

647
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: possible option. So I really do like Robert Swarz and

648
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 3: he would bring that Venezuelan personally, you bring more Venezuelans,

649
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: hopefully to the ballpark.

650
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: Let's see to fill the void with Aggie leaving, Yeah,

651
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: I think some other things. Yeah, potentially Elie is or

652
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: Fernandez going out the door finished huge losses, but he

653
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: is This guy is right at the top of the

654
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 2: scale in terms of Vila. I think he was in

655
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: the postseason. He was averaging like one hundred and during

656
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: the regular season ninety eight average fastball be a little

657
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: mostly fastball change up. It was one of those change

658
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: ups I think to Bryce Harper that ultimately got them

659
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: kicked out of the NLCS where he got it. He

660
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: actually put it in a good spot and Harper.

661
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: Just put a good swing on it.

662
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: So as more as he has a kind of like Rizzo,

663
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: he has a player option that if he feels he

664
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: can beat it in free agency, he'll probably test free agency,

665
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: and in his case, it's only a five million dollar option. Yeah,

666
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: So for somebody that this year didn't really get any

667
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: closing opportunities but was a set up guy. There are teams,

668
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: especially like the Marlins, where I think he comes in

669
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: and he'd immediately be plugged in as their closer. So

670
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: that it's interesting because he did that in Japan, hasn't

671
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: done it in the US. He has the stuff that

672
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: makes you think it would work, and the postseason experience

673
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: is a plus.

674
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: But he's a very.

675
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: Unconventional guy, as you said, because he's now going to

676
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: be thirty two years old and he's only pitched one

677
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: season in the majors. Yet the stuff should play, you

678
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: would think moving forward. And as you said, I mentioned

679
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: him already, so he's been on my mind as well

680
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 2: as somebody that kind of fits the profile of guys

681
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: that could have success in high leverage situations.

682
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 4: That's a really good one.

683
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: keV.

684
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: Actually like that one a lot. I didn't even give

685
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 4: any credence to the idea of him. I knew he

686
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 4: was a really old rookie, but and I did come

687
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 4: from overseas. But yeah, that's a that's a sneaky one. Now,

688
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 4: the guy that I wanted to talk about, I believe

689
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 4: I briefly mentioned it to you guys ahead of the show.

690
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 4: I didn't divulge too much. But for my Coldplay fans here,

691
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 4: you can play Viva LaVita, you can play yellow whatever

692
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 4: I'm going. Chris Martin. I like this guy a lot.

693
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 4: Like I'm really big on Chris Martin. And I'll tell

694
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: you why, Like I'll refer to some surface level of

695
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: Sabermetric stats. Now, he started there with the Cubs. Wasn't terrible.

696
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 4: I mean he had a four to thirty one ERA

697
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 4: and thirty one innings pitched with the Cubs. The Cubs

698
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 4: are on a terrible defensive team. I mean, you had

699
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 4: Nico Horner, Ian Haplan, a goal glove, and left field.

700
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 4: They were They weren't a bad team, but he got

701
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 4: pretty unlucky. If you look under the surface, he had

702
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 4: a three ZHO two fit. So he was underperforming as

703
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 4: Era by over a full run. Now what happens when

704
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 4: you trade a guy from a good defensive team to

705
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 4: a great defensive team, a team that I believe shifted

706
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 4: second most in baseball this year, and the Dodgers. They

707
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 4: maybe won, but I believe they were second traded to

708
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 4: the Dodgers. And I think the Dodgers noticed that he

709
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 4: maybe ran into some bad luck, and they're like, you

710
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 4: know what, we're gonna We're gonna work with you because

711
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: we see that there's more there. And then he put

712
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 4: up a one forty six RA and a one thirteen

713
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 4: fifth and twenty one innings with the Dodgers. He's a

714
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 4: little older. I believe he's in his early thirties, and

715
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 4: he was a guy that I believe when he he

716
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 4: first made it to the majors was a rule five guy.

717
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 4: I could be wrong about that with Oakland, if I'm

718
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 4: not mistaken Oakland or Colorado. I'm not sure, but look

719
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 4: at since you know what one you know, it's one

720
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 4: thing that he does that doesn't get talked about a lot,

721
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 4: and one thing that the Marlin struggled with out of

722
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 4: the bullpen with guys like Steven Oker. He doesn't walk

723
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 4: guys at all. Since twenty nineteen, he's a ten point

724
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 4: one to one strikeoutter walk ratio. That's pretty amazing for

725
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 4: a late inning reliever who's thrown a ninety four to

726
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 4: ninety six one hour sinker underrated a three seventeen era.

727
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 4: The bad luck has kind of maybe followed him slightly

728
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 4: since the two A two eighty seven fifth, one hundred

729
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 4: and ninety two k's and nineteen walks in that spin.

730
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 4: He's a very under the radar reliever. Literally just cracks

731
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 4: his list because he was exactly one worth one Baseball

732
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 4: Reference win. But I like him a lot like I

733
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 4: think the Dodgers will likely try to retain his services

734
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 4: the way that you know, they brought in Trine in

735
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 4: for one year and twenty twenty that worked, and then

736
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 4: they gave him three years to kind of stay on

737
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 4: with that team. I think maybe they'll get they'll work

738
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 4: out something similar with Martin on a multi year basis.

739
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 4: But I think for a team whose bulpin RA was

740
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 4: the eighth worst and the majors, for a guy who

741
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 4: consistently underperformed his value, and then, as you saw, when

742
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 4: he went into an organization that had better defense around him,

743
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 4: he thrived, as he did with the Dodgers, I think

744
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 4: Chris Martin would be one of those signings that would

745
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 4: you'd look at in mid June and be like, hmm,

746
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 4: this guy is a one fifty RA. But I'm also

747
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 4: not surprised about that because he just does a lot

748
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 4: of things very well.

749
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: I actually really like this this option herehere, he's yeah,

750
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: you mentioned it. The walks. He only walked one hitter

751
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 3: on the with the Dodgers and four with the Cubs.

752
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, he I need to give you.

753
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 2: I need to give you the one money stat before

754
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: we move on, because you lived to he had among

755
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: all active pitchers, minimum two hundred and fifty innings. Anybody

756
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 2: that's pitched at least as many innings as Chris Martin

757
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: and is still pitching in the majors. He is number

758
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 2: one in strikeouts to walk ratio, Number one.

759
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: Nobody is better.

760
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: Among active pitchers that have pitched as many innings as him.

761
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 2: It's almost eight strikeouts for any walks, and nobody is close.

762
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: The next closest guy is Shane Bieber at like five

763
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: and a half strikeouts to walks. They're in different stratospheres

764
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: between him and everybody else in terms of that balance

765
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: of getting punch outs and not giving anybody free passes.

766
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: That's that's pretty important. That's a big thing to have.

767
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 3: Also doesn't give up much homers, which is impressive.

768
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: So exactly that's how you.

769
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: Know this is a very very good option.

770
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: Though, yeah, you're right, the good fielder independent numbers. The

771
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: only thing that I mean may benefit the Marlins is

772
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: his age and the fact that he's he's thirty six

773
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 2: actually at this stage, if that brings down his price

774
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: just a little bit, then even better for a team

775
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: like Miami that is just at a big need for

776
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: having these trusty, high leverage arms to go with. So

777
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 2: I'll give you my key reliever here as well. Now

778
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: that we're on the subject, I will go with Adam Adavina.

779
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: He's going to be a free agent, just like these

780
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: other two guys, similar to Martin in terms of his age.

781
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 2: He's even a little bit older. He's going to be

782
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: thirty seven in the middle of this offseason. Just has

783
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: a really extensive track record in the matrix. At this point,

784
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: we have a solid decade of him being a pretty

785
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 2: good setup man. There's been a couple of blips in there.

786
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: During that COVID season in twenty twenty, he was ineffective

787
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: for the Yankees, but for the most part last ten

788
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: years he has been He misses a lot of bats,

789
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: and he's coming off year where he did have a

790
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: lot more control than is typical of him, only sixteen

791
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: walks in sixty six innings, and a couple of those

792
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: were intentional as well. He has a pretty simple formula

793
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: where he has his cut fastball and he has this

794
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: just almost gravity defying slide that he uses. It's one

795
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: of my favorite pitches just to watch the way that

796
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: it moves. He It was also fun reading his story

797
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 2: about how he like developed that pitch. He is a

798
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: very cerebral guy. He is all on pitch design and

799
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: that stuff, which I feel has some sort of benefits

800
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: of bringing that to an organization like the Marlins that

801
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: generally doesn't seem to have used that much in the

802
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 2: past when it comes to pitch design, so I feel

803
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 2: that has some unintended benefits beyond just individual numbers that

804
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: Adavino puts up. So just getting into last season, he

805
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 2: was with the Mets last year the era of two

806
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: to six, a fifth of two point eighty five. He

807
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 2: went under the radar because every Mets reliever aside from

808
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz was kind of in Edwin Diaz's shadow, so

809
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 2: people didn't really notice anybody else Diaz. But he saved

810
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: three games when Diaz was on a available and it

811
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 2: just coming off a really effective year for in what's

812
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: been a lot of effective years in his career. But

813
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 2: he's coming he's at a stage where he's been bouncing

814
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: around a little bit. Let's say he just earned four

815
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 2: million this past season. That's probably going up a little

816
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: bit just considering how well he performed this past year.

817
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: But he's going to be I imagine in the same

818
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: price range as somebody like Suarez and like Martin on

819
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: either probably a two year deal to get him to

820
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: come over at this point, so this would be pretty

821
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 2: contingent probably in the Mets keeping DZ and the Mets

822
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: are a team that is going to be spending a

823
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 2: lot to just retain their own guys that can't keep everybody.

824
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 2: I think he's he's a table and he just does

825
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: this really simple thing where he's going to be tough

826
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: to hit no matter what. You know, the question is

827
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: whether he throws enough strikes. And for somebody that most

828
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: he really hasn't had a full season as a closer,

829
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: so I don't know exactly where he fits in in

830
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: a bullpen hierarchy. I think it's it's somebody like Martin,

831
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: where you just want them to pitch high leverage innings

832
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 2: of some kinds. He's been there, he's done that before.

833
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 2: He's so it's not a super sexy name, but somebody

834
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 2: that I think very very likely would improve what the

835
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 2: Marlins are getting late in games.

836
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the other case where we overlap on guys,

837
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 3: and I really do like I don't want to be

838
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 3: you know, he is a very very good pitcher eleven

839
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: saves in twenty twenty one, so he does have the experience.

840
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 3: He's been in course field for almost his whole career,

841
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 3: so he knows he he I think ads into a

842
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: hitter friendly ball I mean a pitcher friendly ballpark. Is

843
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 3: not going to be even better for him in lone depot,

844
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: and he will be familiar with the division now after

845
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 3: having a full season under his belt with with the Mets,

846
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: he should be able to have some familiarity there and

847
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 3: maybe that will help him. It'll it'll maybe open the

848
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: doors for him, maybe go back to a closure's role,

849
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 3: maybe seventh or eighth, any guy. I really do think

850
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 3: he'd be pitching the high leverage as you mentioned, and

851
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: his FIP is a little bit higher than his era

852
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: it's self this season I think he had yeah, just

853
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,479
Speaker 3: this season because last season was a little bit lower.

854
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: But that's not something that's concerning me at the moment.

855
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 3: He's a very good player, I mean a very good pitcher.

856
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, and I'd love I would love Miami to

857
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: go out here and sign it touch someone like Adamatavino.

858
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love the sinker slider approach. I think he's

859
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 4: kind of slowly backing off that four seam fastball more

860
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 4: if you look at his pitch usage, if you going

861
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 4: back to like twenty twenty one and twenty two, he

862
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 4: really I think a lot of his success I mean

863
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 4: it's weird though. Jek Lyn Hide great success with the

864
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 4: four seamer in twenty one when he struggled, and then

865
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 4: he has a great year this year and hitters hit

866
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 4: four to twenty nine on his fast fold an eight

867
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 4: to fifty seven slug. Albeit he threw a lot less

868
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 4: of them, so it's a smaller sample to go off of.

869
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 4: But yeah, like you said, I mean just that he's

870
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 4: one of those like sinker slider guys who wear in

871
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 4: an error now where you know, being a sinker slider guy,

872
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 4: he didn't mean what it did when Jake Guys like

873
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 4: Jake Westbrook were throwing eighty eight to ninety one. You know,

874
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 4: guys like that were kind of defining what those kind

875
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 4: of pitchers were. Ottavino is still ninety four to ninety

876
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 4: six with like you said, one of the most aesthetically

877
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 4: pleasing pitching, pitching Ninja graph centric sliders that we've ever seen.

878
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 4: I mean, he looks like he's falling off the center

879
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 4: of the earth when he throws that slider, and yeah,

880
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 4: he's tough to hit. Man one of those sinker slider

881
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 4: at cutter guys, is just incredibly effective. I had another reliever,

882
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 4: I mean I had three relievers on my list. The

883
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 4: next one I'll probably touch on is an interesting one.

884
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 4: He's actually pitching in the World Series this year and

885
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 4: knows the division. I think ELI may have an idea

886
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 4: where I'm going. Maybe not Rafael Montero though, Okay, with

887
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 4: the Astros again, the Astros can pretty much fix anything,

888
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 4: you know. They they know how to revitalize. I mean

889
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 4: we saw it briefly with Aaron Sanchez at one point.

890
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 4: He was viable again for a short time with them

891
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen. Rafil Montero, former starter obviously with the Mets.

892
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 4: He bounced had a good year a couple of years

893
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 4: ago with the Rangers, like didn't strike out a lot

894
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 4: of guys that year, I believe in twenty nineteen, but

895
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 4: was effective with them. A two thirty seventy RA this

896
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 4: year to sixty four fit one point three Baseball Reference

897
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 4: war Montero is just kind of one of those seventh

898
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 4: eighth inning guys, make spot closer kind of guy mid nineties,

899
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 4: like just good secondary stuff, good change up. I've always

900
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 4: remembered him having a pretty good change up when he

901
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,959
Speaker 4: was with the Mets, although he never materialized as a starter,

902
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 4: but he was always a guy that, like I was

903
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 4: like his stuff says he should be better than he is,

904
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 4: and like, I don't know how much he'll cost necessarily,

905
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 4: but you know, he's about thirty. He's not too old,

906
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 4: he's not too young. But I don't think he'll be

907
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 4: that expensive, especially given that good years as a reliever

908
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 4: have come with a little bit of a blip in between.

909
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think something to mention, which was with Eli

910
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 3: I believe mentioned this was that this is his first

911
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 3: real legit season pitching very well, because I believe that

912
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 3: before that he's had a little bit of strugg and

913
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: I'm trying to find the stats right now here we go. Yeah,

914
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,959
Speaker 3: this is the first season where he's been pretty dang good.

915
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: I mean, besides that seven to twenty seven ERA and

916
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one with Seattle, then maybe twenty nineteen twenty

917
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: two games first year with the Mets, But besides that,

918
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 3: I mean, if he could keep that trajectory where he's

919
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 3: on right now in twenty twenty two and take and

920
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: translate that to twenty twenty three with the Marlins, this

921
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 3: would be an amazing pickup and he could be a

922
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: middle relief type guy in the high leverage when you know,

923
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: maybe someone like Trevor gets stuck up there in any

924
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 3: situation or any pitch, not just Trevor, just he I

925
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: think this guy could be pretty dan good signing. I

926
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 3: don't think it would be that expensive because this is

927
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 3: his first seasoning, having his first really good legit season.

928
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 3: So that's how I see. I do love the pickup.

929
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 3: I know. I mentioned this guy to Eli a while back,

930
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: and he told and then I think that's what he

931
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 3: told me about Robert Suarez, the possibility of that. So

932
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: I like Montero, I really do. I think he's a

933
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: great option. It's just if you could keep it up

934
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: and you could have back to that good seasons.

935
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he's somebody. For whatever reason, I can't put

936
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: my finger on it. I just he feels like a

937
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: Marlin to me for whatever reason. Of all the relievers

938
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: we mentioned, I have some like innate feeling that Montero

939
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: would would be the guy that they go with. As

940
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 2: with most relievers, it's just a question of how consistent

941
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: he is with his control and with getting ahead in

942
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: counts when he's a heading counts. He's pretty lethal in

943
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: this off season, this postseason, as you said, getting a

944
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: lot of experience working in it and most of his

945
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: outings in this off in this postseason have been pretty clean,

946
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 2: with like maybe one exception during the ALCS, and even

947
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: that game, the Astros came back and won. So with

948
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 2: this Astros team that has ridiculous depth when it comes

949
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: to their bullpen, they probably won't go too far out

950
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: of their way to resign everybody. So he somebody, probably

951
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: as much as these other players, kind of like Attavino,

952
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: where I feel pretty optimistic that the Marlins would be

953
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: in a decent position to negotiate and that they wouldn't

954
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 2: have to worry too much about being against his former team.

955
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: Is there anybody else Kevin that we haven't already touched on?

956
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 3: Who is we have not touched up on Josh Bell?

957
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 3: That is the next time I want to look at

958
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 3: through exactly three points of awards. So he just falls

959
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 3: into this category. He should have been an All Star.

960
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 3: He was not an All Star unfortunately. But as I

961
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 3: mentioned before, this Sea needs a first baseman. This is

962
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: someone who is very manages to strike out to walk

963
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 3: Racil very well twelve percent walk fifty per strikeout. Not

964
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: the biggest home run hitter hit his manu as trenk

965
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 3: Rishan for example, seventeen homers. He won't bring you as

966
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 3: much power as Rizzo, but he's definitely going to give

967
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: you the balance I would say between contact and power

968
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 3: hitting seventy one RBIs. He's also a switch hitter, so

969
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: that that's a nice plus there. I don't know how

970
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: high's value is going to be after struggling with San

971
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 3: Diego in the second half, but I believe it will

972
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 3: still be high, just not as high as maybe it

973
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 3: would have been if he if you would have just

974
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 3: looked at his first half of the season. But I

975
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 3: really do like the option of Josh Bell. I know,

976
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 3: I believe it was Christina di Nicolo who mentioned it

977
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 3: very recently, Eli and Lewis, so this is definitely someone

978
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: who I'm surprised we still have mentioned. But with you

979
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 3: could say, I guess the need at first base, Josh

980
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 3: Bell would fit perfectly there and provide you that that

981
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 3: balance hitter in the lineup, and he could hit lefty

982
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: or righty whenever, whenever needed.

983
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 4: He sacrifice a little bit of defense though, yeah, when

984
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 4: he has the reputation of not being a great defender,

985
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 4: although you look at him and you're like, he looks

986
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 4: really smooth, at points, but he's very well spoken, Like

987
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 4: there's a lot to like about him. I mean when

988
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 4: he came over to the Nationals, I was like they,

989
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 4: you know, the pirates kind of got rid of him

990
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 4: when his value was pretty low, Like he was coming

991
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 4: off a poor year after he had made an All

992
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 4: Star team and had and then that was preceded by

993
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 4: a pour second half was pretty good in twenty one

994
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 4: and then yeah, like you said, keV, this year, like

995
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 4: he just kind of found himself again. The power is there,

996
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 4: I mean, like the power is like he I think

997
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 4: he'll maybe run into a little bit more power playing,

998
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 4: you know, not having to move ballparks the way he

999
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 4: kind of did going from Washington to San Diego. Washington,

1000
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 4: as we know, he's a pretty hit or friendly ballpark

1001
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 4: for the most part, and San Diego tends to suppress

1002
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 4: a lot of offense. I like Josh Bell, I wouldn't

1003
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 4: be too confident in him at least, like not commanding

1004
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 4: a deal that approaches upwards of forty forty five million.

1005
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 4: I think the team who gets him is going to

1006
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 4: maybe have to commit that third year to secure his services,

1007
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 4: just because I think he has enough of a proven

1008
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 4: track record to where like you wouldn't feel too upset

1009
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 4: giving him that deal. But I don't know if that

1010
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 4: team will be the Monolins. That being said, like you know,

1011
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 4: fans waking up knowing that Josh Bell would be in

1012
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 4: their everyday lineup would have to be excited because there's

1013
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 4: a lot that he does very very well. Last guy

1014
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 4: I wanted to mention, I guess and it's one one

1015
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 4: more reliever. I mean, listen, like I like surprising you

1016
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 4: guys with some of the picks I make. I don't

1017
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 4: know if this one will surprise you. I was surprised

1018
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 4: to see he had a crude as much value given

1019
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 4: that he was just kind of like sitting in relative

1020
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 4: anonymity for so long after being so hyped and then

1021
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 4: just kind of fizzling out. But I'm just gonna say

1022
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 4: the name Matt Moore like surprisingly like amazing year, albeit

1023
00:51:52,640 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 4: with some coveyats for the Rangers. You know, the fifth

1024
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 4: is still near three, and that is because the one

1025
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 4: thing that he's never ironed out ever since he's been

1026
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 4: with the Rays is that he just not that he

1027
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 4: wants to, but he has a propensity to walk guys religiously.

1028
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 4: I looked it up. He threw seventy four innings this year.

1029
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 4: I believe of every pitcher who threw at least seventy

1030
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 4: innings this year, he had the fifth worst walk rate

1031
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 4: in the majors four point six walks to nine. That's

1032
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 4: why you know his fifth is slightly is a full

1033
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 4: run higher in his ZRA. But like he I mean again,

1034
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 4: he'd be another Steven Oker, like and you see it

1035
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 4: right there, Like he's in the fourth percent island walk rate.

1036
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 4: He's a former starter. Most relievers are failed starters. But

1037
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 4: the stuff is like, you know, it's crazy to think

1038
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 4: that he's only thirty three. I remember being a freshman

1039
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 4: in high school in twenty eleven watching this guy pitch

1040
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 4: in the playoffs against the Yankees and look like and

1041
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 4: thinking to myself, he's so poised, like he's just like,

1042
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 4: he looks so relaxed out there. Like the stuff was

1043
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 4: great mid nineties fastball with a sharp change up in

1044
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 4: a nice twelve to six curveball like he or not

1045
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 4: twelve six, but he had a nice breaking ball, like

1046
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 4: he just looks so good, so young, And then had

1047
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 4: that all Star season, and after that he had the

1048
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 4: Tommy John and things never further manifested in a positive

1049
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 4: way for him. But he's kind of become this reliever

1050
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 4: in the last couple of years after realizing that, Hey, like,

1051
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 4: I'm not a starter long term, I'm at least not

1052
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 4: a valuable one. And yeah, I mean, like, you sign him,

1053
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 4: you may be signing Steven Oker two point zero because

1054
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 4: it's the walks that scare you. But when he's not

1055
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 4: walking guys, he's like not Randy Johnson, but he's stragging

1056
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 4: out guys in a light esque Johnson fashion. I don't

1057
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 4: know Johnson esque fashion. Yeah, I like Matt Moore, but

1058
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 4: he was worth two point four wins this year.

1059
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 3: Wow, that's impressive. I completely forgot about Matt more. I'm

1060
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 3: not gonna out to your Remember he was with the

1061
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 3: Rais he was one of the most high pitching prospects,

1062
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 3: and he was with the Phillies last year.

1063
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: Now that I'm looking at it, Yeah, fans blew. They

1064
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: were ready to rip his head off. He was so

1065
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: disappointing for that.

1066
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 2: Because if I remember correctly, he went to Japan during

1067
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 2: the COVID year when his career was like bottomed out,

1068
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 2: and he came back he improves his stock enough that

1069
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 2: he got a major league deal from the Phillies, and

1070
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: so the phill Is that had spent a lot of

1071
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 2: money on other parts of their roster, they put him

1072
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 2: in for a back end rotation spot. And that was,

1073
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: as he said, you know, the realization just accepting his

1074
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 2: role as a reliever. That has made a big difference

1075
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 2: for somebody that obviously was the starter for a while

1076
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: and he's gotten as a lefty with that prospect pedigree,

1077
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 2: he was going to get every chance possible to stick

1078
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: in the rotation and at the stage of his career,

1079
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 2: reinventing himself and extending his career quite a bit with him.

1080
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 2: So he fits in the category with a lot of

1081
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: these other guys where current state of the Marlins bullpen

1082
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: it needs more swing and miss. And for somebody that's

1083
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 2: simply been around a while and whose peripherals look as

1084
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: exciting as his does, except for the walk rate, worth

1085
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: a shot. So it all depends on exactly what the

1086
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 2: price is going to be.

1087
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 3: And I have one more name, last one trade target

1088
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 3: also in Pittsburgh Pirates, So David Bennar, that is the

1089
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 3: final one. He was yeah this year one point three

1090
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 3: war so he was an all star, and I am

1091
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 3: looking for him on my notes. Here we go Austar

1092
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two. He would be immediately the closer

1093
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 3: comes over to picture friendly loan depot. He could be

1094
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 3: in the Brian Reynolds trade. Miami would have to give

1095
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 3: up a lot more. But if you want to just

1096
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 3: bring him both, you may as well just add Bednar

1097
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 3: might do two separate trades there. He knows Jacob Stallings,

1098
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 3: So nineteen saves two forty four to FIP sixteen walks

1099
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 3: very low walks there in that end three and four

1100
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 3: nineteen says as I mentioned two sixty one era. I

1101
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 3: like David Bednarky. I know we discussed him last season

1102
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 3: at some point when this team was in it, as

1103
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 3: I mentioned prior, But he would be a very nice

1104
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 3: fit for the Worlans and you could then have that

1105
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 3: closure spot locked down. And he's pretty young, I believe

1106
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 3: I want to say he's twenty twenty eight. Yeah, he's

1107
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 3: very young. So this would be a perfect fit for

1108
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 3: him to come over to Miami, and then you could

1109
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 3: just worry about the rest of your bullpen and have

1110
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 3: at least that closure spot locked down.

1111
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 2: Right where I'm going to finish us off is like

1112
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 2: grouping together a few different candidates at the same time,

1113
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: and these would be the young Arizona Diamondbacks outfielders. This

1114
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 2: has been mentioned by other people about this seems to

1115
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 2: be a pretty sensible trade match between a DVACS team

1116
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 2: that was at the end of the year really came

1117
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: on strong once they called up all these young guys

1118
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 2: Alec Thomas, Jake McCarthy, Corbyn Carroll, all these guys that

1119
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 2: posted between one and three war while playing less in

1120
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,240
Speaker 2: a full season in the big leagues for a team

1121
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: that is looking to take a step forward but has

1122
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 2: too many outfielders that have center field potential, or a

1123
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 2: Marlins team that needs a center fielder but has some

1124
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 2: surpluses elsewhere that can help. So among these guys, I'm

1125
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 2: kind of grouping them all together. I guess the one

1126
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 2: I would focus on most is Alec Thomas. He being

1127
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: the one that I feel most comfortable defensively in centerfield.

1128
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: And you may remember he.

1129
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: Actually hit a home run against Sandy when they were

1130
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: playing in Arizona.

1131
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: Back in May.

1132
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 2: That was his first major league home run back then.

1133
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 2: He's a tiny guy but has a decent amount of power.

1134
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 2: Relative to his size, he's more of a overpower guy,

1135
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 2: and his first season his value was propped up by

1136
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: the defense, by the centerfield defense. As a hitter a

1137
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: six nineteen ops while playing in Arizona, that's not very good,

1138
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 2: but a good contact hitter. So the makings of that

1139
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 2: which stands out when you have both a centerfield defense

1140
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 2: and you're putting the ball on play and you have

1141
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 2: amazing speed which didn't translate into stolen bases. But I

1142
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: want to look this up right now, off the top

1143
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: of my head, I think he was like ninety fifth

1144
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 2: percentile or higher in sprint speed Alec Thomas. I'll pull

1145
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: this up just for a moment to make sure that

1146
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: a rookie, just like those other d Backs guys exactly

1147
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: ninety fifth percentile and sprint speed.

1148
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: Look at that this past season.

1149
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: Very young, Yeah, a switch hitter well regarded as.

1150
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 1: A prospect coming on the way up.

1151
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: And this is a Dbacks team that just has a

1152
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: surplus of those type of guys right now at this

1153
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 2: stage of their development. So they're going to be more

1154
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 2: available than centerfielders would normally be from some of these

1155
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: other teams. The value I think would still be relatively high,

1156
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 2: just considering how many years of team control he has

1157
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 2: left six more to go. But I'm sure the Marlins

1158
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: are going to be inquiring with a team like the

1159
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 2: Dbacks about him and about these other players that kind

1160
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 2: of fall in the same bracket where you can see

1161
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 2: the upside if they can make contact and they have

1162
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 2: this natural athleticism. Uh, those are the type of players

1163
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 2: that the team really needs because they're homegrown outfielders. As

1164
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 2: we've seen most of them, unfortunately, just don't have the

1165
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 2: all round tools that you can really dream about and

1166
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: can field in the middle of those veteran outfielders that

1167
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 2: are already under contract. So have you thought about the

1168
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 2: d Dex as a trade partner for them this offseason.

1169
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie to you. I have not thought

1170
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 3: about them at all. I know they've had a very

1171
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 3: good end to their season or pretty good. I know

1172
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 3: they call them Corby and Carroll and that seems gonna

1173
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 3: be very very fun in a couple of years. Let's

1174
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 3: see how that works out. Was Zach Gallon for Marlin there?

1175
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, we'll see how that long. Yeah, they do

1176
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 3: have Mary would play you the nfield and the outfield.

1177
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wanted to.

1178
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 3: Mention one last name here just for the just for

1179
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 3: the fun of it. It's not going to happen, but

1180
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 3: it would be a fun name. I don't know. Maybe

1181
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 3: Tim Anderson would be a nice fit there for the Marlins.

1182
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 3: You put him at shortstop with Jazz, the marketing is

1183
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 3: going to be amazing. Tim and Jazz. Oh yeah, popular

1184
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 3: players in baseball. Uh. He only played seventy nine games,

1185
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 3: So just keep that in mind when reading the stats

1186
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,959
Speaker 3: out you know, three oh one diting average, three thirty

1187
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 3: nine OVP three ninety five sluggings, seven thirty four ohps,

1188
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 3: six homers, twenty five RBIs, four percent walk and then

1189
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 3: fifteen percent strike out. I believe he was also an

1190
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: All Star starter, So I guess if you want to

1191
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 3: add that to the resume there with maybe Jose Abrew

1192
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 3: on his way out of Chicago, new manager, you're kind

1193
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 3: of entering that stage where you're gonna start maybe a

1194
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 3: rebuild in Chicago. I don't know, maybe how much of

1195
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 3: a rebuild, maybe a retool, you could say, but Tim

1196
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 3: Anderson would maybe bring you some starting pitching, which you

1197
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 3: very much need. You mentioned Eddie Cabrera, Braxton, maybe even Pablo,

1198
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,439
Speaker 3: if you want to make a trade there for Tim Anderson, Hey,

1199
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 3: it's a plug and play. You'd put him at shortstop

1200
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 3: and it would be a nice fit with Miami there

1201
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 3: with Jazz and the rest of the game.

1202
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 4: I believe he has a club option right like.

1203
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 3: It's a player option, I think, or club it's and

1204
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 3: he's an option.

1205
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 2: He has two team options these next couple of years

1206
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty three, and so it's two years of control.

1207
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 2: Next year would be twelve and a half million dollars

1208
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 2: and assuming things go pretty well, the following year be

1209
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 2: fourteen million. Those are very reasonable numbers for, as you've said,

1210
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 2: a multi time All Star short stuff. He just hits

1211
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 2: like he's somebody that I'm sure Lewis wasn't a fan

1212
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 2: of coming up because he never walks.

1213
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: He doesn't walk.

1214
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 3: He only doesn't walk, But he.

1215
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 2: Hits such he's hits at such an incredible level that

1216
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 2: it makes up for the lack of walks. This year

1217
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: was really the only year where he's had extensive time

1218
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 2: miss due to injury. When he was healthy, he was

1219
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 2: he was pretty good. So he extract lay that over

1220
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: full season. He would be a two and a half

1221
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 2: win player. I'm just I'm skeptical about him actually getting available.

1222
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 2: He's very popular in.

1223
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's what Jazz has been touted to be with

1224
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 4: a longer leash. But I don't even think he's a

1225
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 4: great defender at shortstop either. Like the metrics have never

1226
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 4: really loved him at shortstop, right, I Mean there's times

1227
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 4: where they thought he was average, but for the most part,

1228
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 4: they've kind of just said, like, yeah, he's a below

1229
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 4: average defender. He's but he's flashy and like, you know what,

1230
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 4: like I love him for the sake that like baseball

1231
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 4: needs more guys like that, They need more headline.

1232
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 6: Grabbers, you know, which more networks would talk about the game,

1233
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 6: you know, the way that guys like Kim Anderson merit

1234
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 6: at least advanced discussion about.

1235
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, like I like him. I think

1236
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 4: he's a good player. I think he's I'm not gonna

1237
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 4: say he's a little overrated, but the deficiency and his

1238
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 4: skill set and the fact that he just doesn't draw walks,

1239
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 4: like he's never walked more than thirty times in season.

1240
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 4: Like he's adjusted opus plus is affected by that. It's

1241
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 4: one oh five. So like he's an above average hit

1242
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 4: or he's still managed to kind of make it through

1243
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 4: the blaze with not too many scratches on him, but

1244
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 4: there are. I mean, I think the White Sox have

1245
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 4: an emotional attachment to him because I think he's just

1246
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 4: such a marketing I guess gold mine given his personality

1247
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 4: and you know what he means for baseball and being

1248
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 4: like the face of that flipping I guess minus Jose

1249
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 4: Batista that I well, I mean, if you're on the Marlins,

1250
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 4: like the Marlins would definitely be a lot more fun

1251
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 4: to watch. Oh yeah, a good player and he's entertaining,

1252
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 4: but yeah it's a pipe dream.

1253
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I just mentioned him. Just a fun

1254
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 3: name to throw out there. You know, it fit into

1255
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 3: the war category as well. Obviously, I believe he would

1256
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 3: not be in this category if he had played more games,

1257
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 3: but just a fun name to throw out there. Makes

1258
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 3: it makes sense when when you look at it.

1259
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah right, we still have a couple more aisles to

1260
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 2: go where we're going to get into some real star players.

1261
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: The unfortunate reality is that with some of the other

1262
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 2: short staff alternatives in free agency that we'll get to,

1263
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 2: I mean, those are the guys where it's just hard

1264
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 2: to see a scenario where the Marlins pay what they

1265
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 2: are going to require in order to acquire them. So

1266
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 2: when you're talking about ones that are maybe under the

1267
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 2: perfect circumstances, would be available and also would be attainable

1268
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 2: for the team, like Tim Anderson is pretty high up

1269
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: on the list. So once again we covered at least

1270
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 2: a dozen players in depth here, a lot more relievers

1271
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 2: than I thought, but that is a big need for

1272
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 2: the team as well. Wrapping up asle two of Marlins

1273
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 2: offseason shopping, another reminder that you can find Ile one

1274
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 2: on the same podcast feed and this one right around

1275
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 2: the same length going here, and this one went a

1276
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 2: lot more swimmingly from the technical perspective, So I think

1277
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 2: we'll just put this whole thing up on YouTube if

1278
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 2: you want to watch it. There for some visual aids

1279
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 2: to go along with our analysis. Eli Susman here with Lewis,

1280
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 2: Eddie Weiss with Kevin Barral.

1281
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1282
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 2: I think we'll be back at the same time next

1283
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 2: week to go do Aisle three. Getting even more ambitious

1284
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 2: in terms of players coming off pretty great years that

1285
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 2: could help the Marlins in a variety of ways. So

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Speaker 2: let us know which of these players most intrigued, that

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Speaker 2: which ones you think are most realistic for the team

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Speaker 2: to acquire, and by the time we record the next episode, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's officially going to be the off season. Well, thanks

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Speaker 2: everybody for listening, rate, and review the pod wherever applicable

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Speaker 2: here on the official show Marlon's Off Season Shopping Thanks

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Speaker 2: as always for your support and go Fish.