1 00:00:06,790 --> 00:00:10,690 Speaker 1: Amy Robach and TJ Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host, 2 00:00:10,869 --> 00:00:11,750 Speaker 1: Alisa Donovan. 3 00:00:14,550 --> 00:00:15,230 Speaker 2: Hey, everyone. 4 00:00:15,290 --> 00:00:18,500 Speaker 1: Alisa Donovan here from Killer Thriller. And today I am 5 00:00:18,579 --> 00:00:21,660 Speaker 1: joined by Jen Fessler from Killer Thriller Docu. 6 00:00:21,700 --> 00:00:22,900 Speaker 3: Hi, guys. Morning. 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,820 Speaker 1: Good morning. 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 3: Good morning. 9 00:00:26,870 --> 00:00:30,150 Speaker 1: So Jen and I have both been following the Lindsay 10 00:00:30,190 --> 00:00:33,830 Speaker 1: Clancy case, as everyone on the planet has as well, 11 00:00:34,570 --> 00:00:38,390 Speaker 1: since the mistrial. And so much has happened. And we 12 00:00:38,450 --> 00:00:41,530 Speaker 1: now know the jury was split 11 to 1. And 13 00:00:41,580 --> 00:00:44,260 Speaker 1: we're learning more about the loan holdout and the question 14 00:00:44,300 --> 00:00:47,019 Speaker 1: of whether Lindsay will face another trial is still up 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,739 Speaker 1: in the air. There is a ton to talk about. 16 00:00:49,820 --> 00:00:55,290 Speaker 1: But obviously, we thought we... probably need to begin with 17 00:00:55,470 --> 00:00:59,310 Speaker 1: talking about Patrick Clancy being on 60 Minutes last night. 18 00:01:00,430 --> 00:01:02,630 Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on that? 19 00:01:05,069 --> 00:01:07,250 Speaker 3: I read a lot this morning about how people felt 20 00:01:07,330 --> 00:01:09,970 Speaker 3: like it was like 60 Minutes dropped the ball. It 21 00:01:10,010 --> 00:01:14,610 Speaker 3: was anticlimactic. And I personally don't know what people were expecting. 22 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 3: So I never suspected that he did it. I felt terrible, 23 00:01:19,700 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: as I know you did, that he had to even 24 00:01:22,569 --> 00:01:26,890 Speaker 3: go through what the filming of 60 minutes for what 25 00:01:26,950 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 3: reason I felt like I read a lot of criticism 26 00:01:30,470 --> 00:01:35,459 Speaker 3: of his wife, his now wife from bloggers who said 27 00:01:35,500 --> 00:01:38,420 Speaker 3: she's not good on TV. Like who gives a shit? 28 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 3: She's not good on TV. She's making fun of her. 29 00:01:41,220 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 3: I mean, this is a woman who met a man 30 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 3: in a running club and found out that his previous 31 00:01:49,270 --> 00:01:53,690 Speaker 3: wife strangled his three children. That's a lot to take on. 32 00:01:53,870 --> 00:01:56,650 Speaker 3: I mean, that's a lot of baggage. And this woman 33 00:01:56,670 --> 00:02:01,470 Speaker 3: who actually, I think, seems very lovely, loved him enough 34 00:02:01,490 --> 00:02:03,910 Speaker 3: to take that on and they're living their life. And 35 00:02:03,990 --> 00:02:06,770 Speaker 3: all I see is her and him getting slammed. I 36 00:02:06,850 --> 00:02:07,350 Speaker 3: don't get it. 37 00:02:07,590 --> 00:02:16,740 Speaker 1: I am so disgusted, outraged, disappointed, just that he had 38 00:02:16,780 --> 00:02:17,779 Speaker 1: to do this at all. 39 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 3: Yep. 40 00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: This man has been through Unspeakable trauma. He has tried 41 00:02:26,060 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: to move on. 42 00:02:27,100 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: He's done all these things in honor of this loss 43 00:02:30,020 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: and has tried and has forgiven his wife. 44 00:02:34,180 --> 00:02:36,260 Speaker 2: Who are we to. 45 00:02:36,210 --> 00:02:39,450 Speaker 1: Be sitting here making these judgments on these people? 46 00:02:39,630 --> 00:02:41,310 Speaker 2: And I just can't understand. 47 00:02:41,330 --> 00:02:45,270 Speaker 1: I'm so disgusted that he had to do this at all. 48 00:02:45,330 --> 00:02:47,389 Speaker 2: This is the last thing that this man wants to do, 49 00:02:47,510 --> 00:02:48,390 Speaker 2: I am sure. 50 00:02:49,060 --> 00:02:52,530 Speaker 1: And so he has to explain himself because of all 51 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,970 Speaker 1: of these internet people who sit behind their screen. 52 00:02:58,130 --> 00:03:02,070 Speaker 2: And some of them are well-known faces. 53 00:03:02,130 --> 00:03:05,589 Speaker 3: Decide to make. When they flash her face up there 54 00:03:05,610 --> 00:03:06,150 Speaker 3: in terms of people. 55 00:03:06,230 --> 00:03:09,530 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. This she, it is, it is a disgrace. 56 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,419 Speaker 3: We're on the same page here because I am, I 57 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 3: am infuriated. Even, you know, he said he got to 58 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,540 Speaker 3: New York. He went to say Patrick's cathedral. 59 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:18,460 Speaker 1: My heart. 60 00:03:19,350 --> 00:03:23,150 Speaker 3: A religious man and a spiritual man. And he left... 61 00:03:23,380 --> 00:03:25,650 Speaker 3: And he was crying and no one noticed. So he 62 00:03:25,660 --> 00:03:27,930 Speaker 3: could have peace. 63 00:03:28,030 --> 00:03:29,530 Speaker 2: He could grieve in peace. 64 00:03:30,350 --> 00:03:33,710 Speaker 3: Awful, just awful. And he, you know, what I pick 65 00:03:33,750 --> 00:03:35,750 Speaker 3: up from him, I don't know how anyone would just, 66 00:03:35,770 --> 00:03:42,030 Speaker 3: he has a very, his affect is very sort of plain. 67 00:03:42,090 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: He doesn't, there's not a lot of highs and lows 68 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: to his voice. Right. 69 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,860 Speaker 1: There's no, he's not a dynamic sort of personality. 70 00:03:48,060 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: Exactly. Doesn't bother me one bit. Yeah. 71 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: And like, he's supposed to be, you know, I'm just. 72 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,900 Speaker 3: I don't think people judge on that. Like, because he, 73 00:03:57,020 --> 00:04:02,070 Speaker 3: his demeanor is, um, he's not a personality. Doesn't mean 74 00:04:02,130 --> 00:04:04,230 Speaker 3: because he's sort of flat in demeanor does not mean 75 00:04:04,270 --> 00:04:08,330 Speaker 3: that he killed his three children. It's, it's outrageous. I 76 00:04:08,470 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 3: find him sincere. I find him, um, sympathetic. You know, I, 77 00:04:15,070 --> 00:04:20,250 Speaker 3: I don't know. It's, it's tragic how, um, the internet 78 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,169 Speaker 3: just plays these games, right? 79 00:04:22,710 --> 00:04:23,070 Speaker 4: Yes. 80 00:04:23,529 --> 00:04:27,830 Speaker 1: And I was very moved by him talking about, you know, 81 00:04:27,930 --> 00:04:31,510 Speaker 1: seeing all these headlines about Lindsay, baby murderer, and all 82 00:04:31,550 --> 00:04:32,589 Speaker 1: these horrible things. 83 00:04:32,810 --> 00:04:35,190 Speaker 2: And he just felt that they were wrong. 84 00:04:35,650 --> 00:04:35,870 Speaker 3: Yeah. 85 00:04:36,029 --> 00:04:39,370 Speaker 1: The interviewer asked him if he asked Lindsay why she 86 00:04:39,410 --> 00:04:44,260 Speaker 1: did it, which is like a ridiculous question. And Pat 87 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:46,900 Speaker 1: Clancy said he asked her if she remembered doing it. 88 00:04:48,050 --> 00:04:52,170 Speaker 1: And then she said it was like a dream. And 89 00:04:53,510 --> 00:04:57,310 Speaker 1: I feel like these are things that none of us 90 00:04:57,370 --> 00:04:59,750 Speaker 1: understand how we would respond if they were happening. And 91 00:04:59,770 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: then you're put under a microscope and everything. This is 92 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,779 Speaker 1: why Amanda Knox, I loved her statement about this. She 93 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:12,380 Speaker 1: really meticulously went through this and said how once the 94 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,420 Speaker 1: court of public opinion decides that particularly with the internet now, 95 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,060 Speaker 1: it's like, you can't, you can't get a leg up, 96 00:05:20,100 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: but you're climbing yourself out of a. 97 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:26,020 Speaker 3: But you're already guilty. Right. You're guilty. And I think 98 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,940 Speaker 3: that I don't, I really don't understand it. I know 99 00:05:28,980 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 3: people were, people were piecing together in my mind, evidence 100 00:05:32,940 --> 00:05:34,060 Speaker 3: that wasn't even really there. 101 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:35,050 Speaker 1: Yes. 102 00:05:35,260 --> 00:05:39,190 Speaker 3: That's how they would, they sort of came to that conclusion. But, 103 00:05:39,890 --> 00:05:42,450 Speaker 3: you know, even when he was talking about holding, what 104 00:05:42,490 --> 00:05:43,409 Speaker 3: was the youngest one's name? 105 00:05:43,870 --> 00:05:45,700 Speaker 1: Callum. Calum, right? 106 00:05:46,260 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: Holding him in his last few days, how grateful he 107 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,679 Speaker 3: was for that time. And he, it's just, he seems 108 00:05:54,100 --> 00:05:56,170 Speaker 3: to me, I mean, I don't know. I do actually 109 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,910 Speaker 3: find him sympathetic. I've heard that too. I find him 110 00:06:00,330 --> 00:06:03,349 Speaker 3: just from his personality alone. He seems honest to me. 111 00:06:03,370 --> 00:06:07,430 Speaker 3: He seems so sad to me when he talked about, 112 00:06:07,450 --> 00:06:11,290 Speaker 3: you know, telling his new children about their brothers and sister. 113 00:06:11,310 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: This is... Everything about this story is unthinkable, horrific, tragic, 114 00:06:18,490 --> 00:06:22,510 Speaker 3: and it almost is so infuriating because it feels like 115 00:06:22,529 --> 00:06:24,589 Speaker 3: the pile on just makes it worse. 116 00:06:25,170 --> 00:06:25,750 Speaker 1: Yes. 117 00:06:25,790 --> 00:06:27,990 Speaker 3: You think it can't get any worse, right? His wife 118 00:06:28,050 --> 00:06:31,830 Speaker 3: strangled his three kids. How can it get worse than that, right? 119 00:06:32,380 --> 00:06:34,660 Speaker 3: And yet he's being accused of something he didn't do. 120 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,700 Speaker 3: The whole thing is nauseating, upsetting. 121 00:06:36,860 --> 00:06:38,940 Speaker 1: I agree. Nauseating is a great word. 122 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. And people, you know, said that they thought that 123 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,900 Speaker 3: the interview, the interviewer was light, you know, lightweight. It felt, 124 00:06:46,220 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 3: I don't know. What more do you want? 125 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:48,620 Speaker 2: What more do you want? 126 00:06:48,820 --> 00:06:51,940 Speaker 1: Exactly. In my opinion, this is one of the major 127 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,860 Speaker 1: problems with our entire society right now. We have lost 128 00:06:55,180 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: the plot. We have lost the sense that these are 129 00:06:59,820 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: all human beings who have been through horrible things. And 130 00:07:05,290 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: to sit, someone who made a, A Bratz doll video reenactment? 131 00:07:10,060 --> 00:07:11,300 Speaker 2: What is wrong with these people? 132 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:12,700 Speaker 3: I didn't see that. Are you serious? 133 00:07:12,940 --> 00:07:13,300 Speaker 2: Yes. 134 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,500 Speaker 3: You don't have to share everything with me, Lisa. You 135 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 3: can keep saying it. 136 00:07:15,970 --> 00:07:18,110 Speaker 1: I didn't watch it. I didn't watch it. I read 137 00:07:18,150 --> 00:07:23,110 Speaker 1: about it. And I just thought we have completely lost 138 00:07:23,430 --> 00:07:26,350 Speaker 1: all sense of humanness and kindness and love. 139 00:07:26,790 --> 00:07:27,690 Speaker 2: What is going on? 140 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,350 Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, and by the way, you guys, listeners, 141 00:07:30,550 --> 00:07:32,890 Speaker 3: I know, and at least I know you know, that 142 00:07:32,930 --> 00:07:34,110 Speaker 3: some of you will disagree with us. 143 00:07:34,510 --> 00:07:35,950 Speaker 1: I know. I know. 144 00:07:35,970 --> 00:07:39,670 Speaker 3: I still think he did it. It's not that I don't, 145 00:07:40,330 --> 00:07:42,830 Speaker 3: I respect that. You know, maybe you're seeing things that 146 00:07:43,010 --> 00:07:46,390 Speaker 3: I don't, but I know that Lisa and I are 147 00:07:46,430 --> 00:07:50,130 Speaker 3: watching you from a place of complete confidence that this 148 00:07:50,190 --> 00:07:53,230 Speaker 3: man had nothing to do with killing his children. Thank you. 149 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,700 Speaker 1: It's a ludicrous idea. 150 00:07:56,930 --> 00:07:57,710 Speaker 3: That's how we feel. 151 00:08:00,150 --> 00:08:01,710 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear how I feel. 152 00:08:01,750 --> 00:08:04,630 Speaker 3: Yes, me too. But no lack of respect for, you know, 153 00:08:04,970 --> 00:08:06,830 Speaker 3: if there are people out there that do believe that 154 00:08:06,870 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 3: he had something to do with it, I don't see it. 155 00:08:08,890 --> 00:08:12,290 Speaker 3: And then there's that whole line of thought that he 156 00:08:12,330 --> 00:08:15,450 Speaker 3: just didn't do enough, right? Forget about the fact whether 157 00:08:15,490 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 3: he did it or he didn't do it. He didn't 158 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: do enough. And I don't know. I don't really see 159 00:08:20,700 --> 00:08:22,679 Speaker 3: that either. I know. 160 00:08:22,700 --> 00:08:27,700 Speaker 1: Again, I think these commentaries are coming from people that 161 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: have never met this man. And I guarantee you, anyone, 162 00:08:31,060 --> 00:08:33,809 Speaker 1: I happen to know two people that do know this man. 163 00:08:33,830 --> 00:08:36,590 Speaker 2: Oh, really? 164 00:08:36,610 --> 00:08:38,190 Speaker 3: Yes. 165 00:08:38,429 --> 00:08:43,010 Speaker 1: And all they can say is a broken man who 166 00:08:43,150 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: is doing his best to honor, to survive, to move on, 167 00:08:48,340 --> 00:08:52,410 Speaker 1: to honor those children, to... to continue to, he talked 168 00:08:52,470 --> 00:08:56,070 Speaker 1: about feeling suicidal. Like, so, you know, I think what 169 00:08:56,090 --> 00:08:58,630 Speaker 1: people were looking for is some sort of, you know, 170 00:08:58,730 --> 00:09:01,050 Speaker 1: exploitative interview. 171 00:09:01,070 --> 00:09:03,550 Speaker 3: They were watching it. Like let's decide let's now, right. 172 00:09:04,450 --> 00:09:08,940 Speaker 1: It's just gross. I, I'm, I'm so, I just feel 173 00:09:09,140 --> 00:09:10,660 Speaker 1: for him. I want to say it again. 174 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: And again, the exact same way. I'm sorry, you guys, 175 00:09:13,020 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 3: this is not going to be one of those heated debates, 176 00:09:15,140 --> 00:09:22,590 Speaker 3: but that it's not. Yeah. It's, I don't know, my 177 00:09:22,610 --> 00:09:26,929 Speaker 3: heart aches for all of them. He didn't know anything 178 00:09:26,970 --> 00:09:31,970 Speaker 3: about postpartum. He said that. And we talked about this, 179 00:09:32,010 --> 00:09:35,770 Speaker 3: but I didn't have postpartum. And of course, I know 180 00:09:35,809 --> 00:09:39,010 Speaker 3: what it is. I didn't know the difference between depression 181 00:09:39,050 --> 00:09:40,870 Speaker 3: and psychosis. 182 00:09:40,950 --> 00:09:41,930 Speaker 1: Neither did I, yeah. 183 00:09:42,370 --> 00:09:46,250 Speaker 3: And neither, and this man didn't either. So You know, 184 00:09:46,590 --> 00:09:49,130 Speaker 3: to me, it seems like he described when she hadn't 185 00:09:49,150 --> 00:09:51,850 Speaker 3: gotten any sleep at all one night. And, you know, 186 00:09:51,850 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: he said, that's just horrible. Just go relax. I'll take 187 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,300 Speaker 3: the kids. He wasn't a douchebag husband. Right. 188 00:09:58,540 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: And he's also not a psychotherapist or a doctor. He's 189 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: not trained to see those things. He was doing the 190 00:10:08,780 --> 00:10:11,390 Speaker 1: best he could with the information that he had. 191 00:10:12,870 --> 00:10:15,809 Speaker 2: It's really tragic. 192 00:10:15,970 --> 00:10:22,329 Speaker 1: So getting back to the where the case stands right now. 193 00:10:22,570 --> 00:10:26,689 Speaker 1: So everybody knows there is this, the one juror that 194 00:10:26,750 --> 00:10:34,860 Speaker 1: was the holdout and, you know, there's a lot, I'm so, again, Mike, 195 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: does this guy have to defend himself too? But now 196 00:10:37,780 --> 00:10:40,340 Speaker 1: all of these things are coming out that he was, 197 00:10:41,460 --> 00:10:47,260 Speaker 1: he had been arrested for, spousal abuse of some kind. 198 00:10:47,300 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: Now everybody's going to jump all over me. That's not 199 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:55,140 Speaker 1: the right terminology. What was he, it was for something awful. 200 00:10:55,179 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: How's that? 201 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: Yes. 202 00:10:56,900 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: For physically hurting his wife. And then the nephew also, 203 00:11:02,780 --> 00:11:05,420 Speaker 1: you know, I'm so worried people get are really, you know, 204 00:11:05,570 --> 00:11:08,710 Speaker 1: in the weeds with the, the specifics. So I don't 205 00:11:08,730 --> 00:11:11,819 Speaker 1: want to say the wrong thing, but Right. There has 206 00:11:11,860 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: been a lot that has come up. 207 00:11:13,700 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 3: He wasn't going to, he really, maybe he wasn't eligible 208 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:16,700 Speaker 3: and that. 209 00:11:17,100 --> 00:11:17,460 Speaker 1: Right. 210 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: That's a separate issue. Right. I don't, I don't know. 211 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,420 Speaker 3: We don't know yet if that's true or not true, 212 00:11:22,740 --> 00:11:27,020 Speaker 3: but the fact that he's been, he has no anonymity anymore, 213 00:11:27,370 --> 00:11:29,990 Speaker 3: even though maybe his name wasn't said, he was outed 214 00:11:30,030 --> 00:11:33,929 Speaker 3: for all intents and purposes. So what is that saying? 215 00:11:34,070 --> 00:11:37,610 Speaker 3: I don't, you know, forget about him. I don't agree 216 00:11:37,650 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 3: with him, but now I, We can't do our civic 217 00:11:41,150 --> 00:11:46,020 Speaker 3: duty and sit on a jury and make these kinds 218 00:11:46,059 --> 00:11:50,340 Speaker 3: of decisions without thinking that they're going to affect our lives, 219 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,900 Speaker 3: other people's opinions. You can't even be anonymous now on 220 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,020 Speaker 3: a jury. I know. What is going on? 221 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,590 Speaker 1: And the reality is this is the system that we 222 00:11:57,630 --> 00:12:03,490 Speaker 1: have in this country. So when we start mistrusting the system, yes, 223 00:12:03,550 --> 00:12:07,890 Speaker 1: it is imperfect and it fails often, but this is 224 00:12:07,950 --> 00:12:13,290 Speaker 1: what we have. So unless he lied on his forms, 225 00:12:13,330 --> 00:12:18,630 Speaker 1: which is entirely possible, I suppose, you know, we don't 226 00:12:18,809 --> 00:12:22,050 Speaker 1: know the specifics there, but he was put on the 227 00:12:22,090 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: jury and he is allowed to have his opinion. 228 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,380 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's part of it. That is part 229 00:12:27,620 --> 00:12:29,580 Speaker 3: of the system, whether it's flawed or not. I mean, 230 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:36,540 Speaker 3: the judge, I guess, has now sealed the juror's identities indefinitely, right? 231 00:12:36,750 --> 00:12:39,750 Speaker 3: Because of security concerns. I mean, I feel nervous to 232 00:12:39,790 --> 00:12:42,090 Speaker 3: be him and I feel nervous to be the other 233 00:12:42,110 --> 00:12:47,930 Speaker 3: jurors as well. This case is so, there's so much 234 00:12:48,370 --> 00:12:53,069 Speaker 3: passion and anger and division, right? It's just so more 235 00:12:53,130 --> 00:12:55,610 Speaker 3: division in our country as if that was possible. 236 00:12:56,230 --> 00:12:58,890 Speaker 1: As if that was possible. And it's become political. And 237 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,579 Speaker 1: now I was just reading that Representative Nancy Mace has 238 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,020 Speaker 1: called for Lindsay to be publicly executed. 239 00:13:07,100 --> 00:13:11,380 Speaker 2: What is going on? This is just outrageous. 240 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 3: Outrageous and depressing. 241 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 2: And depressing. 242 00:13:29,670 --> 00:13:31,990 Speaker 3: So now it's a mistrial. What do you think should 243 00:13:32,030 --> 00:13:32,449 Speaker 3: happen now? 244 00:13:32,890 --> 00:13:38,220 Speaker 1: So I do, once again, the superhero superstar, Kevin Reddington. 245 00:13:38,790 --> 00:13:42,340 Speaker 1: Lindsay Clancy's attorney, has asked for her to not be 246 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: put through another trial. And he, I believe, has requested 247 00:13:47,780 --> 00:13:53,590 Speaker 1: that she is found not guilty by the insanity, temporary 248 00:13:53,630 --> 00:13:56,449 Speaker 1: insanity plea, whatever it is. Again, don't get up in 249 00:13:56,490 --> 00:13:58,949 Speaker 1: my grill with the specifics. I'm not a lawyer, but 250 00:13:58,970 --> 00:14:00,059 Speaker 1: we all know what that is. 251 00:14:00,050 --> 00:14:01,300 Speaker 3: Don't get up in my grill. 252 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: Don't get up in my grill. So because he's saying 253 00:14:09,380 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: that the prosecution did not have enough evidence to prove 254 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,980 Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt, which is what the law says 255 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,860 Speaker 1: they have to do. So I guess when they reconvene 256 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,340 Speaker 1: on the 29th, which is supposed to be the day 257 00:14:25,380 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: where they will decide the date of the new trial, 258 00:14:27,940 --> 00:14:31,250 Speaker 1: I think they will also address whether they will have 259 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:32,190 Speaker 1: a trial at all. 260 00:14:33,410 --> 00:14:35,530 Speaker 3: Do you hear that there is another mother who was 261 00:14:35,580 --> 00:14:40,020 Speaker 3: accused of killing her child and was reportedly obsessively following 262 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:47,130 Speaker 3: Lindsay's trial? And I guess just hours beforehand tried to 263 00:14:47,190 --> 00:14:49,730 Speaker 3: claim psychosis. I guess she was going on trial and 264 00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:53,350 Speaker 3: is now trying to claim psychosis. psychosis. And the question is, 265 00:14:53,390 --> 00:14:56,130 Speaker 3: is that connection meaningful? Is that what's going to happen now? 266 00:14:56,190 --> 00:14:59,250 Speaker 3: Is this opening up the door for more women? And 267 00:14:59,330 --> 00:15:02,250 Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe more women should claim psychosis. Maybe 268 00:15:02,270 --> 00:15:04,530 Speaker 3: this is what's going on with women that actually kill 269 00:15:04,550 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 3: their children during that postpartum period of time. 270 00:15:09,700 --> 00:15:13,260 Speaker 1: I do think there is the positive that, which like, 271 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,460 Speaker 1: that scares me what you just said, but Not that 272 00:15:18,510 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: maybe that is what's going on, but that someone could 273 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: perhaps exploit this for their own benefit. But there is, 274 00:15:25,540 --> 00:15:29,750 Speaker 1: I think, a positive, which is the case is already 275 00:15:29,810 --> 00:15:34,770 Speaker 1: influencing the conversation outside of the courtroom about postpartum care development. 276 00:15:35,770 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: And they have. 277 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:44,020 Speaker 1: On September 15th, Massachusetts Governor Maura Healey announced a proposal 278 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: to expand postpartum support in the state in the wake 279 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:52,290 Speaker 1: of the trial. So I think that is something that 280 00:15:52,430 --> 00:15:57,490 Speaker 1: is vital and is a small positive, perhaps bigger, I 281 00:15:57,510 --> 00:16:02,050 Speaker 1: don't know. But at least it's something that can benefit 282 00:16:02,190 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: women in these experiences, like sending nurses to the home. 283 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: So that the husband doesn't have to try to diagnose 284 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,660 Speaker 1: what's going on. I just think more support is not 285 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: a bad thing. Yeah. 286 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 3: Additional funding for maternal mental health programs. 287 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: All of that. 288 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:25,900 Speaker 3: It's good stuff. All of that is. Lemonades in this huge, 289 00:16:26,090 --> 00:16:31,810 Speaker 3: ridiculous bucket of lemons, you know? And I don't know 290 00:16:31,850 --> 00:16:35,670 Speaker 3: how this is even how this gets. how does this 291 00:16:35,710 --> 00:16:38,230 Speaker 3: settle down? Right. So like, eventually we're going to know 292 00:16:38,270 --> 00:16:40,390 Speaker 3: what happens to Lindsay. We're going to find out either 293 00:16:40,460 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 3: that she's, you know, goes away from Santa. She's retried. 294 00:16:44,500 --> 00:16:46,780 Speaker 3: It's going to, and like everything else, again, it feels 295 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 3: like in this country, half the country will be unhappy 296 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:50,540 Speaker 3: about it. Yeah. 297 00:16:51,180 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 298 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 3: No matter what it is. 299 00:16:53,100 --> 00:16:57,490 Speaker 1: For sure. I did think it was interesting that the, 300 00:16:57,810 --> 00:17:01,230 Speaker 1: the jury initially, you know, when we say a hung jury, 301 00:17:01,410 --> 00:17:05,270 Speaker 1: I think, or I certainly think, always somewhat imagine it's 302 00:17:05,310 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: like 50-50, right? And that's not the case. It started 303 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: as eight, two, and two. So eight people thought she 304 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: was not guilty by reason of mental incapacity. Two thought 305 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,610 Speaker 1: she was guilty, and two were undecided. But then by 306 00:17:23,650 --> 00:17:25,750 Speaker 1: the end, it did go to 11 to one, which 307 00:17:25,850 --> 00:17:31,610 Speaker 1: means that it seems like everyone was willing to listen 308 00:17:31,670 --> 00:17:37,270 Speaker 1: to others' opinions opinions and gather the facts. And just 309 00:17:37,390 --> 00:17:39,430 Speaker 1: the one juror is the one that would not. 310 00:17:40,109 --> 00:17:43,170 Speaker 3: No judge had actually removed that juror. Did I read that, 311 00:17:43,290 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 3: that it was possible for the judge to remove? 312 00:17:45,170 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 2: They were asking him to, and he wouldn't. 313 00:17:49,180 --> 00:17:52,660 Speaker 3: I mean, how do you, I guess he's, you know, 314 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,379 Speaker 3: his opinion has to matter. That's how this works. Yes. 315 00:17:57,420 --> 00:17:58,340 Speaker 1: That's how this works. 316 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 3: Tried by judges. your peers and, and they go through 317 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 3: a process and hopefully they are fair minded, not biased. 318 00:18:09,220 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 3: I don't know, but I don't know. At least this 319 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 3: whole thing is just, just sucks. 320 00:18:16,740 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 2: And it's so upsetting. 321 00:18:19,100 --> 00:18:21,180 Speaker 3: Really, really is just awful. 322 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,379 Speaker 1: Um, I also think it's of note that the one juror, 323 00:18:27,180 --> 00:18:30,340 Speaker 1: at least in particular, um, she said, you know, the 324 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: most influential, some of the most influential testimony for her 325 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: was given by Patrick Clancy. And I think. 326 00:18:38,330 --> 00:18:39,030 Speaker 3: And the mother-in-law. 327 00:18:39,390 --> 00:18:40,550 Speaker 1: And the mother-in-law, right. 328 00:18:41,390 --> 00:18:41,570 Speaker 3: Right. 329 00:18:41,790 --> 00:18:44,770 Speaker 1: And, you know, if those two people, two of, you know, 330 00:18:44,869 --> 00:18:50,790 Speaker 1: arguably the most influenced by this, aside from Lindsay, is 331 00:18:51,369 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: if they are feeling like this woman was just not 332 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:00,690 Speaker 1: okay and should not be held criminally responsible. Like who, 333 00:19:01,250 --> 00:19:02,990 Speaker 1: what are we even doing here? 334 00:19:03,910 --> 00:19:05,690 Speaker 3: I don't know. And I told you, this is not 335 00:19:05,770 --> 00:19:08,450 Speaker 3: me coming into this. Like, you know, she should be, 336 00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:12,090 Speaker 3: she was insane. She was, she had, I get it. 337 00:19:12,430 --> 00:19:14,379 Speaker 3: I really, really do. And I feel more than one 338 00:19:14,410 --> 00:19:18,580 Speaker 3: way about it. I'm going through psychosis and she didn't 339 00:19:18,619 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 3: know right from wrong, but I'm not here to say 340 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 3: she should, you know, go to get her, get mental 341 00:19:26,380 --> 00:19:30,970 Speaker 3: help and be released. Well, I don't know how I 342 00:19:31,010 --> 00:19:36,580 Speaker 3: feel about that. And again, for me, I can't get 343 00:19:36,619 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 3: rid of the picture in my head of those three 344 00:19:38,180 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 3: children and what she did. And I get that she 345 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,870 Speaker 3: was in the middle of psychosis. But again, that opens 346 00:19:44,890 --> 00:19:47,210 Speaker 3: this other can of worms, right? A lot. Mental health 347 00:19:47,260 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 3: has a lot to do with criminality and what people 348 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,780 Speaker 3: are capable of and what they've been through and what, 349 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,379 Speaker 3: you know, that brings to, to the violence. And I 350 00:19:58,420 --> 00:20:00,300 Speaker 3: don't know, it's all very sticky. 351 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: It's very sticky. Yeah. 352 00:20:03,220 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 353 00:20:04,830 --> 00:20:08,870 Speaker 1: I think maybe that is probably a lot of, of the, 354 00:20:09,980 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: the kind of fear or concern and in finding her 355 00:20:15,660 --> 00:20:20,929 Speaker 1: not guilty and putting her in a mental facility. And 356 00:20:20,970 --> 00:20:25,130 Speaker 1: then someone saying in three years, well, she's fine now. 357 00:20:25,390 --> 00:20:27,870 Speaker 1: And then, you know, letting her go. Like I do, 358 00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:30,390 Speaker 1: I do understand the concern of that. 359 00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:31,950 Speaker 3: We discussed that case. 360 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:33,020 Speaker 1: Yes. 361 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:34,820 Speaker 3: Sorry that I'm not going to remember. 362 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: Yeah. So the woman that was convicted and then was 363 00:20:38,180 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: released and did it again. 364 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,179 Speaker 3: If I'm Lindsay Clancy, I don't know what I would 365 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,980 Speaker 3: do if I was Lindsay Clancy, but I would want 366 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 3: to be taken care of with 24-7 mental health care 367 00:21:05,220 --> 00:21:08,090 Speaker 3: for the rest of my life. I don't know how 368 00:21:08,170 --> 00:21:09,650 Speaker 3: you heal from this. 369 00:21:09,670 --> 00:21:10,630 Speaker 1: I don't either. 370 00:21:10,650 --> 00:21:14,129 Speaker 3: There even is such a thing. Yeah, I don't know. 371 00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:17,230 Speaker 1: There's no, like we've said, there's just no happy ending 372 00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:19,270 Speaker 1: here for anyone really. 373 00:21:23,410 --> 00:21:26,970 Speaker 3: I don't know how much longer we're going to keep 374 00:21:27,050 --> 00:21:30,790 Speaker 3: discussing it. Maybe things will change now. There are other awful, 375 00:21:30,830 --> 00:21:34,670 Speaker 3: horrible things happening in this country. I don't know if 376 00:21:34,770 --> 00:21:37,470 Speaker 3: this is the time or place, but obviously you heard 377 00:21:37,490 --> 00:21:39,709 Speaker 3: about Presley Gerber. 378 00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: I did, yeah. You know, I don't know if this 379 00:21:47,420 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: is the time or place either, but I do feel 380 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:56,510 Speaker 1: like what I was most struck by, look, addiction is 381 00:21:56,570 --> 00:22:02,070 Speaker 1: a beast that very few of us can come out 382 00:22:02,109 --> 00:22:02,810 Speaker 1: the other side of. 383 00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 4: But that aside, I was so struck by, I read 384 00:22:10,780 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 4: that he had posted things about the various medications and 385 00:22:16,180 --> 00:22:17,110 Speaker 4: things he was taking. 386 00:22:17,230 --> 00:22:21,970 Speaker 1: And I feel like, again, what's going on here? Like, 387 00:22:22,270 --> 00:22:26,410 Speaker 1: shouldn't that, that like, why, why wasn't, why is that allowed? 388 00:22:26,650 --> 00:22:31,190 Speaker 1: First of all, why isn't that when things are getting 389 00:22:31,310 --> 00:22:34,350 Speaker 1: shut down? Because, uh, I mean, I'm, I could go 390 00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:36,910 Speaker 1: down a real rabbit hole with this, but I have 391 00:22:36,990 --> 00:22:41,450 Speaker 1: friends who have had posts, you know, um, uh, taken 392 00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:46,970 Speaker 1: down by various social media entities because it's showing like 393 00:22:47,010 --> 00:22:51,100 Speaker 1: an overweight person in a bathing suit. you know, or 394 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,239 Speaker 1: something where you're like, okay, so that's not okay for 395 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,260 Speaker 1: us to look at, but a person who is quite literally, 396 00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:02,180 Speaker 1: it makes me think of Aaron Carter, like their demise. 397 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: We are watching it. Perez Hilton, like all of these things. 398 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: Why are we allowed to see this? Like, why are 399 00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:13,449 Speaker 1: people allowed to post these things? Like what is going on? 400 00:23:13,470 --> 00:23:18,290 Speaker 3: And, and, Also, nothing is just sad anymore. Everything, I 401 00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:20,190 Speaker 3: don't know what's going to happen with this. I just, 402 00:23:20,530 --> 00:23:23,750 Speaker 3: my heart, and I know yours too, and our prayers. 403 00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:26,610 Speaker 1: Go out to those parents and his sister. 404 00:23:26,890 --> 00:23:29,060 Speaker 3: I just like, because I know that everybody's going to say, well, 405 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,940 Speaker 3: how does someone, because he passed in rehab, how does. 406 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,020 Speaker 1: That, right? 407 00:23:34,140 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 3: I'm not going to add to the speculation just happened. 408 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,460 Speaker 3: But anyway, my guess is it's going to get, it's 409 00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:46,650 Speaker 3: going to blow up in its own way. Yeah. Do now. 410 00:23:47,450 --> 00:23:49,450 Speaker 2: It's just, it's heartbreaking. 411 00:23:49,470 --> 00:23:52,100 Speaker 1: It, it, it really is. And I think another part 412 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,900 Speaker 1: of that is for all of us to understand that, 413 00:23:56,820 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, I think we put celebrity on this pedestal 414 00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:09,250 Speaker 1: and also then assume that when you have all the 415 00:24:09,290 --> 00:24:12,750 Speaker 1: resources in the world, your life is perfect. And like, 416 00:24:13,630 --> 00:24:15,290 Speaker 1: that is simply not the reality. 417 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,899 Speaker 3: Nobody gets away. It's just got to go on the journey. 418 00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 3: I think, I don't know. That's just part of it. Wow. 419 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 3: We are really like, we've lost the plot a little bit. 420 00:24:25,940 --> 00:24:26,780 Speaker 2: We have, sorry. 421 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: Okay. Let's get back on. 422 00:24:28,940 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 3: But I will say that. So the case is back 423 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,910 Speaker 3: in court, September 29th, you guys. So I guess that's 424 00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:36,990 Speaker 3: the date that they're going to address, whether there's going 425 00:24:37,010 --> 00:24:40,189 Speaker 3: to be a new trial and asked the judge to 426 00:24:40,210 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 3: consider the his motion for finding of not guilty as 427 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,340 Speaker 3: well at that point. So I can't imagine what's going 428 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,740 Speaker 3: to happen between now and the 29th. Today is the 21st. Yeah. 429 00:24:51,140 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: What do you think? Do you, do you think there 430 00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:55,959 Speaker 1: should be another trial or do you hope there will be, 431 00:24:55,980 --> 00:24:57,869 Speaker 1: or what do you don't? 432 00:24:58,330 --> 00:25:01,469 Speaker 3: I don't think there should be. And I hope that 433 00:25:01,490 --> 00:25:05,590 Speaker 3: there won't be. And I hope that she is, I 434 00:25:06,970 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 3: hope she, she's found insane. And, but I hope that 435 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,179 Speaker 3: she's also, I think what I hope is that, you know, 436 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,189 Speaker 3: she's just taking care of away for the rest of 437 00:25:19,230 --> 00:25:23,550 Speaker 3: her life. I don't know that I would be back 438 00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:28,330 Speaker 3: on the streets in three years. So that's, but again, 439 00:25:28,350 --> 00:25:31,730 Speaker 3: I have different ways of feeling about the whole thing. 440 00:25:31,770 --> 00:25:34,419 Speaker 3: Like everyone else does, you know, I want justice for 441 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,659 Speaker 3: those children. Yeah. And I don't think she was in 442 00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 3: her right mind. 443 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:40,340 Speaker 1: Right. 444 00:25:41,250 --> 00:25:43,070 Speaker 3: So what do you want in the end? 445 00:25:43,290 --> 00:25:47,629 Speaker 1: I know I feel pretty much the same as you do. I, 446 00:25:48,030 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: you know, I don't see how another trial can benefit 447 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: anyone and find justice. That's the point, right? What is justice? 448 00:26:00,420 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: But I don't, I just don't, I don't, I don't 449 00:26:05,980 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: think it's will be useful. 450 00:26:07,980 --> 00:26:11,210 Speaker 3: So listen, I'm, Very glad we hopped on after 60 minutes. 451 00:26:11,250 --> 00:26:14,010 Speaker 3: Me too. I'm reading a lot about what people have 452 00:26:14,030 --> 00:26:14,700 Speaker 3: been saying about it. 453 00:26:15,250 --> 00:26:15,590 Speaker 1: What's that? 454 00:26:15,910 --> 00:26:17,989 Speaker 3: It just happened. But have you been reading yet what 455 00:26:18,010 --> 00:26:19,190 Speaker 3: people have been saying about it? 456 00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:19,910 Speaker 2: About the interview? 457 00:26:19,930 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: About 60 minutes? No, but I'm guessing it's that people 458 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,060 Speaker 1: are bummed out that it wasn't some sort of a fireworks, 459 00:26:29,140 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: you know, burn the house down interview. Right. 460 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 2: You know, to me, again, it just felt like. 461 00:26:38,460 --> 00:26:41,590 Speaker 1: It was... so sad to me because I just saw 462 00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:46,470 Speaker 1: a person who was forced to do this. Like this 463 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,900 Speaker 1: is the right thing for me to do so that 464 00:26:48,980 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: people will leave me alone. I mean, it's like, it's, I, 465 00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: it's just, I mean, talk about adding insult to injury. 466 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,239 Speaker 3: He is probably so self-conscious just when he goes out 467 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:01,660 Speaker 3: to dinner. 468 00:27:02,060 --> 00:27:02,300 Speaker 1: Sure. 469 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,619 Speaker 3: One thing when the case was in Massachusetts and I mean, 470 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 3: people knew about it obviously, but it wasn't like this. 471 00:27:08,450 --> 00:27:10,850 Speaker 3: And now he can't, I can't imagine he can really 472 00:27:10,890 --> 00:27:13,870 Speaker 3: hide even in New York City. Anyway, I'm really, really 473 00:27:13,910 --> 00:27:15,250 Speaker 3: happy that we're on the same page about it. 474 00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:16,070 Speaker 1: I know. 475 00:27:16,090 --> 00:27:16,710 Speaker 2: Look at that. 476 00:27:16,810 --> 00:27:19,990 Speaker 3: We are. Sorry for you guys. 477 00:27:20,050 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: Well, yeah. It's like we just, I don't, it's the 478 00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:31,139 Speaker 1: human suffering is just, it's enormous. And I just hate 479 00:27:31,180 --> 00:27:34,580 Speaker 1: to see, you know, I don't know what the solution 480 00:27:34,619 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: is here. 481 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,100 Speaker 3: I don't. All right. Well, listen, if there is a 482 00:27:38,140 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 3: new trial, you guys know that you're killer thriller girls. Gosh, 483 00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:45,020 Speaker 3: we'll be back right here to cover it. Not that 484 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 3: we're wishing for that, but, um, but we will hear you. Yeah. 485 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,740 Speaker 3: We'll talk about it. So guys, thank you so much 486 00:27:53,940 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 3: for joining us today.