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Speaker 1: Now i'd be rapping unil I'll be a ghana. I

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Speaker 1: you doing. I'm great. I've been thriving. I've been on

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Speaker 1: Um and general and actually, okay, let's so my second

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Speaker 1: omen by the name of Chastity Jones got into a

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Speaker 1: ten year legal battle after she says an employer at

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Speaker 1: a call center in Alabama took back her job offer

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Speaker 1: because she refused to cut her dreadlocks, which like working

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Speaker 1: in a call like working in a call center, are

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Speaker 1: you fucking like if ever when you find dining like

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Speaker 1: I already can't like really excuse it, but like I

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Speaker 1: sort of understand where you're coming from, understanding and barely yeah, um,

432
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Speaker 1: but did a call center you literally not even see

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Speaker 1: anyone face to face? Yeah, ten years she fought with

434
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Speaker 1: them over their rescinded job offer in that regard, and

435
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Speaker 1: then we see it frequently in schools as well. Black

436
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 1: students are disciplined at a rate four times higher of

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Speaker 1: any other racial or ethnic group, and research has found

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Speaker 1: that seventy of these suspensions are discretionary and that many

439
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: of them actually stemmed from dress code violations, which in

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Speaker 1: turn can include unapproved hairstyles. So um. Another one example

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Speaker 1: in eighteen UM, a Louisiana sixth grade greater was kicked

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Speaker 1: off school grounds because her um, like her bread extensions

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00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: violated school policy. Um. You know the her elementary school

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00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 1: uh head of policy that states that only that students

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00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: can only wear their natural hair, which is kind of

446
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: like a reverse of what we have been talking about

447
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: regards to this act. They said in a statement that

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Speaker 1: they offered her family an opportunity to comply with the

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00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,959
Speaker 1: uniform and dress policy, but her family chose to withdraw

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Speaker 1: the student. The student was not as suspended or six spelled,

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Speaker 1: which I don't really think it's how much better because

452
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Speaker 1: it's like they would have suspended her probably for violation

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Speaker 1: of this policy. Your family chose to not put her

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Speaker 1: through that and sept her out of school. Um. But again,

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Speaker 1: you know, extensions like if you're growing your hair out, um,

456
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: and you know it's not quite yet the link you're

457
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: trying to get it at but do you want to

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Speaker 1: emulate a more natural hairstyle like braids, you know, just

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Speaker 1: get you just get brainds, brake extensions, UM, like a

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Speaker 1: private school or something like that. Yeah, it was like

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Speaker 1: it was like a private Christian school or something. Um.

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Speaker 1: And so another example a little somewhat you know, I

463
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Speaker 1: think it pushes the limits of what we understand this

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Speaker 1: act to do. But um, ultimately, yeah, I mean it

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Speaker 1: does protect against discrimination against hairstyles that are associated with

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Speaker 1: your racial or ethnic group. That included if you have

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Speaker 1: if you have um extensions that emulate like a black

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Speaker 1: hairstyle or you know, are you know, affiliated with black culture,

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Speaker 1: That too, I think is encompassed in the protections that

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Speaker 1: this bill would offer. Well, I mean, dress codes definitely

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Speaker 1: historically have been used to you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: like on to covertly discriminate against ethnic groups and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that. So oh for sure, the whole framework of

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Speaker 1: professionalism is a like classis and white supremacist concept. I think,

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00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: like just like what we deemed professional is is based

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Speaker 1: on like white middle class, upper middle class like you know,

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00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 1: Western norms, um, that don't actually have anything to do

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Speaker 1: as you said earlier, with your ability to enact the

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Speaker 1: functions of the job professionally. What do you think about

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Speaker 1: what I said earlier about like how we're most likely

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Speaker 1: like a generation away. I agree, I agree. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think with the passage of acts like these that

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Speaker 1: then allow us to break down the cultural barriers and

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Speaker 1: open opportunities for those those um for that cultural education,

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Speaker 1: like oh, once people start working together with folks of

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Speaker 1: different who have different hairstyles and come to learn more

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Speaker 1: about the maintenance, the history, the functionality, like why these

488
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Speaker 1: things are this way. It's not dirty, it's it's this

489
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Speaker 1: way on purpose, and this is how you know it works.

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Speaker 1: Then and um, yeah, I think like in a generation,

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Speaker 1: people won't care anymore and we won't even probably won't

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Speaker 1: even need the legislations just because from a cultural exactly. Yeah,

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00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: we had to break the door down someplace. So so

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Speaker 1: I guess let's getting to this other story right up.

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Speaker 1: So a few months later, a wrestling officials told New

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Speaker 1: Jersey high school athlete athlete Andrew Johnson, who'd have to

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Speaker 1: cut his dreadlocks in order to compete. Johnson opted to

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Speaker 1: cut his hair and compete. The video incident shows the

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Speaker 1: trainer cutting his dreadlocks as people in the gymnasium watch.

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Speaker 1: I remember seeing that so just so dehumanizing, so dehumanizing,

501
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: because like everybody standing around watching you get your hair

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Speaker 1: cut off in the middle of the school gym bro.

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Speaker 1: Honestly though, actually it's really funny. In one article on

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00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: this story that I found, um, the referee in question

505
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: into that sixteen was accused of calling a black reference

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00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: and then he got body slammed in the great there

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00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: you go. So yeah, this guy probably wasn't like yeah,

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00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying there, because it just it's

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00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: it's again, it's it's one of those things where it's like, man,

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00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: I've never heard of that. That doesn't seem like a thing.

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00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you just have him put his hair out

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Speaker 1: if that was the issue at all? That I mean,

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00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: you can't be like cut your hair more like right

514
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: there in the middle of everybody, like nigger, we see you.

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00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: It's on cameras. Ship like I know, yeah, like you're

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00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: laying that ship on a little thick you know what

517
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like the different forms of racism and

518
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: ship you got like the oh, dear, I don't feel

519
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: safe with that black guy in the neighborhood racism and

520
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: then you got like that weirdo, we are the master

521
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: race racism. That's like that sort of ship like cut

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00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: your dreads now, I know. Yeah, but thankfully the the

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00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: athlete he did, he did cut his hair, sadly, but

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Speaker 1: he went on to win the match by takedown, which

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00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: you honestly do love to see. And then the New

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Speaker 1: Jersey Division of Civil Rights in the New Jersey State

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00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: Interschalactic Athletic Association investigated an incident and bench the referee

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Speaker 1: for the duration of the investigation. So okay, so at

529
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: least I had a somewhat good ending to it. But

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00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: sucks he had to cut his ship. But okay, So

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Speaker 1: let's talk about Shikari Richardson speaking of athletes and hair.

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00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: So her issue is like, you know, in all honesty,

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Speaker 1: I haven't really heard too many you know, it's too

534
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: much commentary about her hair. But again, I wasn't really

535
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: following her until the whole thing with weed because me

536
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: but but um, yeah, no, So I mean it's like,

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00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: but it's like, obviously, the whether she wears her hair

538
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: in the sport that she's in, you know, it obviously

539
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: makes her stand out. The combination of the tattoo, she

540
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: got the long nail, she got the orange hair. But yeah,

541
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Speaker 1: those she happens to be dope, the fastest woman in

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00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: the I say it to America. Yeah, so I have

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00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: have people been talking about her hair like negatively or something? Yeah,

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00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I think I think a lot of

545
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: people found it really inspiring that, you know, rather than

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00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: like there's something about athleticism where it's like it's not

547
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: about how you look, it's about what you do with

548
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: your body. Um. And so the fact that she could

549
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: combine both in a way like combining like aspects of

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00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: personal style that ordinarily it would be seen as very

551
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: ratchet like oh she got you know, law orange hair,

552
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: she had these crazy nails, etcetera. But like, also she

553
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: can fucking out run any of you bitches any day

554
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: and highest hell probably at the same time. Um was

555
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: like really, I think the stories like that really inspired

556
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: people and be like, oh, you can be who you

557
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: are and do do up ship at the same time.

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00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, well the reason can the thing that makes

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00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: me um, you know, it feeds into also why I

560
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: think it's like we're a generation away from that is like,

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00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, I watched basketball a lot. And again it's

562
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: like I was, I was watching basketball where like in

563
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: the late nineties and ship, everybody's hair. Everybody was either

564
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: bald headed or had a caesar or like a little fro,

565
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of a fro or something like that.

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00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: But Alan Iverson was, you know, one of the first

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00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: ones to come in and have the corn rows and

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00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: the ship and he would get like different configurations of

569
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: corn rows and the designs and ship. Yeah, but again

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00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: he was feeding off of what Dennis Rodman did before him,

571
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: who was coming in with a colorful hair when you know,

572
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: and Dennis Rodman was doing it when really nobody nobody

573
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: anything interesting. Nobody was rocking tattoos like that or anything

574
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: like that. I think things like that trickled down and

575
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: into society. I think I didn't do that, and that

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00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: that like we've way into my personal ethos around like

577
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: style and professionalism and like my job as elected official.

578
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: Like I I mean, I'll like dress up if I

579
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: have to, but like when I go to a community

580
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: events and stuff I very frequently just like where would

581
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: I wear, you know, saggy hoodies and just like stuff

582
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: I wear a hip hop show because I think it's

583
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: really important for the people I represent, especially the children

584
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: in the in the district, to know that you can

585
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: just like look how you look and how you feel comfortable,

586
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: um and represent where you come from culturally, and also

587
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 1: just kick ass that whatever you're trying to do, like

588
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: rather than reinforce the notion that like, you can only

589
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: be good at your job if you look a certain way,

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00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: It's like, oh no, Like, actually, I spend more time

591
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: focusing on legislation that makes the community better than I do, Like, oh,

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00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: you know, do is my we've good and like my

593
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: heels on fleet and ship because that doesn't doesn't that

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00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: doesn't impact anybody's life. Yeah, but it's all part of normalization.

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00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what you do, you know

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00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's it's like rights, normalization is important

597
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: ever going to get there and it might seem incremental,

598
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, it all compiles

599
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: on and it all means something. It's like, it's important

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00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: that there's a politician like you doing what you're doing

601
00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: because that, you know, how however big, that will you

602
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: a point of reference years from now when the next

603
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: person wants to get in there exactly and it was

604
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: important for this where I'm going to do his things.

605
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: So Alan, I received this thing, and it was important

606
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: for you carry to do her thing telling us from now,

607
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: the whole US team be looking to you know, authentic

608
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: at hell whatever that means to them, that without question,

609
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: because they're like, no, I'm focused on being the fastest

610
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: motherfucker out here, and I'm not focused on what y'all

611
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: think folks to look like. Or I'm out here trying

612
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: to win some motherfucking basketball. I do not care if

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00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: y'all think the designs of my corn rows are like

614
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: goofy or whatever. It's a beautiful thing. But um, let's

615
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: move on to discuss some um state level versions of

616
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: the legislation which I've been adapted adopted. I think thirteen

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00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: states at this point, California, New Jersey, New York, California.

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00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: I said that twice. Uh, California, California, New Jersey, New York, Virginia, Colorado, Washington, Maryland, Connecticut,

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Speaker 1: in New Mexico, Delaware, and Nebraska. Some of these are

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00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: kind of struck me as surprising, Like Nebraska. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know, I don't know you all had black people

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00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: in Nebraska. Well, I mean, it's like I would imagine

623
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: the black people in Nebraska probably feel, oh they're feeling it.

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00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: Oh they need, oh they need They're like, please protect us,

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00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: please yeah. Um. And then several of the states have

626
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: similar bills in the works, I mean as the valleys

627
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: as well as well of taking it upon themselves to

628
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: pass ordinances banning hair discrimination in the absence of state action. UM.

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Speaker 1: One such place, UM Louisball, Kentucky, which I think passed

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00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: UM Crown Act legislation earlier this year. UM in part

631
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: due to a hip hop song produced by some middle

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00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: schoolers who we had the pleasure of speaking to you

633
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: a few months back. UM. They called themselves the Prodigies,

634
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: and they had a song called Crown and a TikTok

635
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: challenge that went with it, where UM they encouraged viewers

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00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: UM and content creators to show off all the various

637
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Speaker 1: hairstyles they like to rock. UM and you know, I'm

638
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: just gonna be proud of it. And the lyrics to

639
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: talk about my curls, motswist, moltops, my braids. Uh, it's

640
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: actually playing a little bit of it. UM. I think

641
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: that a second. So in March, congresswoman in Yanna Pressley

642
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 1: of Massachusetts seven District, Bonnie Watson Coleman of New Jersey twelve,

643
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: Barbara Lee of California thirteen, Alan Alan Omar of Minnesota,

644
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: OH five, and Gwen Moore of Wisconsin o for announced

645
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: reintroduction of Creating a Respectful and Open World for Natural Hair,

646
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: which is a Crown Act in the House of Representatives,

647
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: simultaneously releasing a letter since Vice President Kamala Harris urging

648
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: her to use the platform is the first black woman

649
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: to hold that office, to help ensure the bill reaches

650
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: the President's desks in Congress. Senator Corey Booker of Democratic

651
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: New Jersey y'all know him, also announced reintroduction of the

652
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: Crown Acting Senate. So the chrome passed to the House

653
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: this last year, but it's still wait a wait to

654
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: vote in the Senate. So, you know, shout outs Senator

655
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: Booker for trying to bring that to the floor. What

656
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: do you think the chances are? I mean, we all

657
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: know that it's we're not it's not exactly the I

658
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 1: think that things like they make fucking June team thought

659
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: that they had vote against making Juneteenth the holiday. Bro

660
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: Like they like they don't care about they're gonna believe

661
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: it happens. I think this, I think I think issues

662
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: like this is Unfortunately it's it's exactly what, you know,

663
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: the sort of fight that they would want. I think

664
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: the Republicans would want because this is, this is critical

665
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: race theory, this is wokenness, this is you know what

666
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like pretty much that's that's kind of

667
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: their thing is to try to define everything that involves

668
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: being a decent human being as woke pre cisely. Um

669
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: So we'll we'll see where it goes from here. It's

670
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 1: been reintroduced. I don't know how many times I guess,

671
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's been up for discussion two

672
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen and so they reintroduced it, you know, every

673
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: House session. Um so they brought it back. We'll see.

674
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: But you know, they get infrastructure to deal with voting rights.

675
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: Someone I wouldn't be I wouldn't be super mad if

676
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: they don't get to this to like December, Let's take

677
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: a little bit and listen to you talking with the

678
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: Young Prodigy about their TikTok challenge. We are here with

679
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: the Young Prodigies, a rap group out of Louisville, Kentucky.

680
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: And rather than trying to have me give an introduction

681
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: to y'all, because I think you know it's really powerful

682
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: to give the youth their own voice. I wanted to

683
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: see if you wanted to introduce yourselves, tell us a

684
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: little bit about who you are and where this project

685
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: came from. So Keyshawn, if you would uh give us

686
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: a little intro onto the who the young products are?

687
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: My name is Keyshawn ak looky the newest member that

688
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: you real young produgies. What a prod of gy is

689
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: is a holly telling to chill or a young person

690
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: gifted with exceptional abilities. And like, we all have our

691
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: own different styles and we all are very good at writing, performing,

692
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: just speaking about injustice situations and changing the world with

693
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: our voice and bropping. Um. My name is Andrea, but

694
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: I go by name Greezy um, and I'm like the

695
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: second oldest young produg and I'm fourteen. Um. Yeah, it

696
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 1: comes dry a k a juju like basketball and baseball

697
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: and I gotta WB the boys Academy. What's up, y'all?

698
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: My name your nay at Ka Driman Bill because I'm

699
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: always dripping, you know what I'm saying, And I am

700
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: the youngest member of the Real Young Prodigies. But I've

701
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: been in this group since kindergarten. I really would have

702
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: been in it since preschool, but I was a little

703
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: bit too young. My name is okay A Ray okay Um,

704
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm the second youngest of the Real Young page Um.

705
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: I'm a living years it turned twelve one month, um,

706
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: a book, two Great Day's Academy and I live. And

707
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm a young entreprene in my life. And my mom

708
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: of my boat called Boat by Room. My name is Divine.

709
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: My rap name is Connie. I've been in the Young

710
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: Products the longest, so the oldest member from fifteen. I've

711
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: been in the Young Pridges for seven years. All right,

712
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: So thank you all so much for giving an intro

713
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: into who you all are individually. Divine, while we have

714
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: you here as the oldest and longest standing member of

715
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: the really Young Producties, because you talk talking to us

716
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: a little bit about where this project came from. Okay, So,

717
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: the Young Prodigies, it was like, I'm pretty sure nobody

718
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: affected to go like as far as it did, or

719
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: get um as serious as it did. It started as

720
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: more of a project, like an actual school project. When

721
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: I was in like fourth grade at Wheelie Eleventtory and

722
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: Nini was my teacher for my writing class, and she

723
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: wanted us to do a project for something that we

724
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: had coming up called Phillis Sweet Wee Day. And she

725
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: asked us who wanted to make a rap for the

726
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: for the day. So I was the only girl on

727
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: the carpet. It was like me and like four or

728
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: five other boys, and I killed it. Like we wrote

729
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: a song called Phillis Sweep Love Words. Um. From there

730
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: we started taking it more seriously. People I've came and

731
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: going in the group. We started doing more performances. Um.

732
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: After the day that we performed, we figured out our name,

733
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: which is the Prodigy. Now we like performed locally and

734
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: like it's just a growing a lot of sense day.

735
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,959
Speaker 1: So talking about talking a little about inspiration behind y'all

736
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: hit and um what y'all are advocating for, what y'all

737
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: calling for. But it all started when we all was

738
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: in a Rodney session. The big kids were doing third

739
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: thing with their new songs that's really coming out. I

740
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: don't know when, but um so basically me Renee and

741
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: ms Naren or ak Needi um. So we so we

742
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: started brand storing what we love about himself. And then

743
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: we started and we all said our hair, so that

744
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: really get integration, that's really going into the chronic. And

745
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: I look think it that the Crown I Will really

746
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: helped us. And we're really trying to get the chronic

747
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: passed into move with Kakstucky and also we're trying to

748
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: get Ayana Pressley who saw the Chronic and WASHINGTDC. So

749
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: we so we so become produced, but we got people

750
00:40:54,560 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: protect and watch tv T and yeah, and I'll started

751
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: and when I heard well, UM's and the stud which

752
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: we all over here, we all own there that we

753
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: all love who filed the Cronac. That's how we get

754
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: That's how we all get started. And then me May

755
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: started doing all these reshirts about the Pronic and we

756
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: see how everybody gets discriminated by their air and I

757
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: was like way by textures, by skin color, and I

758
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: was really frustrating about that, and so we start to

759
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: get ad So the Crown Act is basically letting you

760
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: be free on walking around on that you're not gonna

761
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: get fired or you're not gonna get suspended for the

762
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: hair that you're in or the skin that you're in

763
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: and a lot of people, actually Caucasian people have gotten

764
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: a notice that you can't do this if your hair

765
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: is this way. So like they come wear Mulich if

766
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: they played baseball, So it's kind of like the same

767
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: with us. We can't. They have butler that had a

768
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: list of what we couldn't wear, and as you could tell,

769
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: it is all black hair. We should be proud of

770
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: our hair. That's how I'm gonna say that, Like, there's

771
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: no reason that we should have to do different things

772
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: to our hair just to make somebody else happy. Up,

773
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: We're happy with the way our hair look. That it

774
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: shouldn't matter to anybody else. People should up left and

775
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: not put people down about their hair. Crown stands for

776
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: creating a respectful and open world for natural hair, so

777
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: making it to wear Black men and women feel comfortable

778
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: wearing their natural hair and cannot be discriminated against wearing

779
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: their natural hair and a school environment or in the workplace,

780
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: in slighting in general. Let make sure you subscribe to

781
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: our YouTube and lack our videos and comment and share

782
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: uh and you can find us on YouTube at the

783
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: real young part of Juice, I just wanted we wanted

784
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: to say thank you. It's our honored. The heavy the

785
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: honor is all mine. I really appreciate time and y'all's advocacy.

786
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: You're very inspiring and you're gonna inspire thousands of people.

787
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: All right, those dope little dope kids, would you what

788
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: was your impression of them? Yeah? So, I mean they're

789
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: from my hometown. Um, I'm really excited to see like

790
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 1: the way they you know, the way they progress is theyell,

791
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: it's a lot of them are in middle school or

792
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: early high school, but they've already made a lot of waves,

793
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: um politically with you know, they're still in reparations. Have

794
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: I shown you that? Did we talk about that? We did?

795
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: I think we maybe on our Reparations episode while ago

796
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: a while ago. If you haven't seen, if you haven't

797
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: seen the music video for Reparations, it's fucking bananas. It

798
00:43:54,840 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: is bananas. Um. And then yeah, with their advocacy through

799
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: this TikTok challenge, raising awareness about the Crown Act um

800
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: and using performances as like an opportunity to bring people

801
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: together for you know, direct action to lobby their legislators there,

802
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: they were actually successful in passing a version of the

803
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: Crown Act in Louisville, Kentucky UM and then also went

804
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: and they performed and like lobbied at the state capitol

805
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: to get the state law passed. And so it's like

806
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: it's really dopef what they're doing for young people, for

807
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, people this young, and an example of how

808
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: hip hop can be used to social awareness about you know,

809
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: like I feel like very popular themes are you know,

810
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: police brutality, massive carceration, but like very specific pieces of

811
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: policy like banning hair discrimination. You know, I think the

812
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: fact they're already deviating from some of those, um those

813
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: like core themes in hip hop and focused on like

814
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: more niche public policy, Like I think that holds a

815
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: lot of promise for their future, both as advocates and artists.

816
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: Just to like have a very distinct lane of like

817
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: should they talk about It's pretty close, that's what's up. Yeah,

818
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: you love to see the youth doing doing that ship.

819
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: You love to see it. It's in a dope way.

820
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: Our next song up for discussion is in they Aris

821
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: I Am Not My Hair featuring a con um. I

822
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: think that I mean addition to there's two things about

823
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: the song that I think, well, should we just ahead,

824
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: let's do it. Yeah, let's check it out real quick.

825
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: We're not going to get no job lets one, no

826
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: dread love, Yeah, dope, I do remember that track. No

827
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: Ayre had some bangers back in the day. I hope

828
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: she's thriving. She's we're both Savannah College of Art and

829
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: Design alumnia. Yeah, she's sad back in the day. Um yeah,

830
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: I know. So the song is kind of like about

831
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: reclaiming your identity and realizing that you're more than the

832
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: shell that makes you up, I guess. But at the

833
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: beginning she has like at least that's what I took

834
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: away from it, especially with the hook. But the thing

835
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 1: she does have a a you know, a good string

836
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: of lyrics where she's talking about how she was her

837
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: hair was like the source of ridicule. But then, you know,

838
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: actually got older and around eighteen she just started you know,

839
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: going natural and kind of getting more very very distinct

840
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: chronology of events of just like when she she got older,

841
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: it was dreads. This year it was this, Yeah, that

842
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: that sort of thing I did that. I mean, it

843
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: sounds kind of like maybe like might hit a little

844
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: bit close to home for you, it does. I mean,

845
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: I have some rap lyrics about like my own trajectory,

846
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: like when I was you know, fifteen, stop straightening, what

847
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: that decision meant for me, etcetera. Um, But the thing

848
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: about this song, really, like in the statement I am

849
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: not my hair that I finally interesting, is that like, yes,

850
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: you are not your hair. You are what you choose

851
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: to do with, like your talents, your mind, your body. Um,

852
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: if that's you know, you're able to run fast or

853
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: dribble great or time management or whatever, dad da da da,

854
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: Like you are those things and people should value those

855
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: things over what they see immediately about you. But I

856
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: feel like they can also be pretext for someone to say, oh,

857
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: if you're not your hair, then why is it a

858
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: big deal if you cut it to come work for me?

859
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you how do you feel about

860
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? That paradox? And so

861
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like it's somewhat of a problematic

862
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: statement because it's like, no, you are, It's okay that

863
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 1: you are your hair too, Like they're like these things

864
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: can need to coexist because yes, people should see your

865
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: the value you bring to your workplace or your school

866
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: or your church or your team, um, beyond what you

867
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: look like. But if what you look like is important

868
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: to you, like it's okay to claim I am my

869
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: hair too, like I am I am my afro, I

870
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: am my dreads, like this is something that's really important

871
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: to me that I'm proud of and that I claim.

872
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: Um as, yeah, I feel like it is kind of

873
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: like it it Uh, there was a paradox underlying that

874
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: statement that seems very not oh yeah, I'm not my hair,

875
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: but it's actually can be used as ammo. But another

876
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: thing I think is interesting about this song as a

877
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: Coon touches on a really really like powerful point um

878
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: about the relationship between policing of hairstyle and like economic marginalization,

879
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: cultural marginalization with like deeper impacts. He says, corporate wouldn't

880
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: hire no dreadlocks. Then I thought about my dogs from

881
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: the block kind of understand what they chose to steal

882
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: and rob. So like people like from getting pushed out

883
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: of schools for adherence to like hip hop or you know,

884
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, black hairstyle, black manners of dress, of speech,

885
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: etcetera push out from the workplace, as you know, then

886
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: following as fault, you know, following from that, some man

887
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: people are socialized into assuming or you know, normalizing, and

888
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: then it's a part of it's not maybe not the

889
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: biggest part of but it does kind of form this

890
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: overall like uh framework or I guess you could say,

891
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: in which people choose not to be participating mainstream culture,

892
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: like if I got to cut my dreadlocks off to

893
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: go work at the poultry plant or go work in

894
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: corporate or I fear that they might, why don't, Why

895
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: don't why not just like sell drugs instead or become

896
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: a rapper and stuff that can authentically be myself. Yeah,

897
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: it's those like those little things that happened throughout society

898
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: that just make it harder for you to do stuff

899
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: that exactly, it might not be the biggest form of discrimination,

900
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: but it is. It is a form of discrimination, and

901
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: its still all these layers together, and then suddenly it's like, well,

902
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: no fucking wonder people hanging on the block selling crack. Exactly.

903
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: It's like if you're it's like a you're like, it's

904
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: like if you're living in a lesson ideal situation and

905
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: your neighborhood is this, and the school system was this,

906
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: and then on top of that, you can't this job

907
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: wants you to exactly. You're like, that's the straw that

908
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: breaks the camel's back. We're like, nah, I ain't doing it. Yeah,

909
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: and so I think, I mean, and then I had

910
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: this like thing about famous hair and hip hop. We

911
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: can skip over. I think, let's just go to this one.

912
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: But yeah, so we talked a little bit about both

913
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: how hip hop has been used for advocacy around the

914
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: Crown Act, why it's needed, and I'm kind of outlined

915
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: by um a con in the ire. But then there's

916
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: this therapeutic nature of like embracing your hair that we

917
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: didn't really get into this episode that I think it's

918
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: laid out really well in Mario's braid my Hair, which

919
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: I love back my dad love so that it's such

920
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: a smooth Yeah, I must play a little bit when

921
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: we were talking about like, oh, I'm not my hair

922
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: or am I my hair a little bit earlier with

923
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: reference to in the Ari, I mean, it's not just

924
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: like the way I look when I go out in

925
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: the world. It's also like these cultural, these ritual that

926
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: are that deeply tied to Black culture that go with

927
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: go with the way your hair looks. So like the

928
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: act of getting your hair braided, the act of going

929
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: to the swan, the act of going to the barbershop,

930
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: or you know, having your like you know, your wash

931
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: day or whatever. That are like very you know, inherent

932
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: to who you are and who your community is. That

933
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: I think he touches on here that make it so

934
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: that look, no, I am my hair. I am I

935
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, do the shade butter, you know, I get

936
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: the I have the bonnet in the satin pillow a night,

937
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: so it stays nice and soft like all these things

938
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: that I do around my hair also me. And that's

939
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: cool too, and that's why I embrace it that. I

940
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: think it's really kind of cool about this song. In

941
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: a little wider context, well ship, it makes me want

942
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: to wrap about wrap about my hair kind of I

943
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 1: kind of feel angry and definitely want to wrap about

944
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: my hair. You want, Okay, let's do it, yo, Joe.

945
00:51:53,440 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: Can we get a beat? Oh oh ghetto satin bout

946
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: the hell? Yeah rock some little back rays go back

947
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: there we call a little hot top fain. I felt

948
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: like just ben't looking like a head of BROCOLI maybe

949
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: like a money I could put The way your locks

950
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: were don't really matter however you want to Startlet you

951
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: could be a doctor, you could be a pilot. Let

952
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: you ever, if you're trying to get to my letter

953
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: dribbling the circle round it suckles like I'm a simple

954
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: when I had stopped, when this judgeon frowned, Remember these bars,

955
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: let them play like a soundtrack. Steva back down because

956
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: you ought to be proud that we ain't taking ship. Yeah,

957
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: we're passing the crown. Next it's Lingle Frank, guys, and

958
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: we are waiting on reparations. See you guys next week,

959
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: waiting on reparations of the production of I Heart Radio.

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00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: For more podcasts from My Heart Radio, check out the

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00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get

962
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: your podcasts.