1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: A note to listeners, this episode contains a reference to suicide. 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 2: The escalation in the number of criminals being murdered by 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: each other gives us some idea of the surge and 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: growth of the underworld. An underworld of this nature, which 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 2: is now moved into contract killings and the elimination of rivals, 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 2: will definitely have a network in the country's power structures, 7 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: because the two go together. 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: Early twenty eighteen, a few months after Dafnese murder, the 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: assassins Vincent de kof Moscat, Chinese George de Georgio and 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: Alfred de Bin de Georgio are in Malta's Cordine prison 11 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: awaiting trial. So far, none of them are talking. It's 12 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: an investigative dead end. Mister Alleged Mastermind, the powerful, wealthy 13 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: individual who allegedly ordered Daphnese murder, still seems invulnerable. He 14 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: is not even considered a suspect, and it appears that, 15 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: thanks to Alleged Mastermind's close friendships with corrupt police officers 16 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: and senior politicians, every detail of the police investigation is 17 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: known to him. He seems invincible. That leaves this guy, 18 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: our middleman, Melvin Toma, the taxi driver, Dodgy Bucky and 19 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: occasional long Shark, who recruited the assassins, oversaw the murder 20 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: and reports back to mister alleged Mastermind. 21 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 3: Melvin the Middleman is the only member of this criminal 22 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: enterprise who knows mister Alleged Mastermind's true identity, the only 23 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 3: person who can connect mister Alleged Mastermind to Japanese murder, 24 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 3: and Melvin the Middleman is still free, at least from 25 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 3: the authorities, but he's far from free from the rest 26 00:01:53,680 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 3: of the gang, and his obligations are only increasing. From 27 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: iHeart podcast topic studios in Vespucci, I'm. 28 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: John Sweeney and I'm Manuel Delia and. 29 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 3: This is Crooks Everywhere, Episode six, Carbon Culture. On this morning, 30 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 3: Melvin the Middleman is paying one of his regular visits 31 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 3: to a modest home in Marsa, the hometown of the killers. 32 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 3: These visits may not look like much, but they are 33 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: a window into this world, a world where the assassination 34 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 3: of a journalist, where Daphne's cold blooded murder is possible, 35 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 3: and in its way, this visit will be a masterclass 36 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 3: in power and how to exert it. 37 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: So on this day, Melvin de Middleman is paying a 38 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: family visit, but it's far from friendly. The following is 39 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: a dramatization based on Melvin de Middlemanto Ma's court testimony. 40 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: It streamlines multiple events that took place during this period. 41 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: The man who answers the door hurries him inside. Melvin 42 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: the Middleman mustn't be seen in front of the house 43 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: for long. Melvin reassures him, Hat, Marani, no one is 44 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: watching me. He's wrong about that. As it happens, the 45 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: man whose house this is is Mario de Georgio, the 46 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: older brother of two of the killers, Chinese George de 47 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: Georgio and Alfred de Bin de Georgio. Mario de Georgio 48 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: is in his early sixties, wears glasses and looks like 49 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: an ordinary pensioner, But like the whole family, he's not 50 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: someone you want to upset. 51 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: The oldest to Giorgio brother has been officially registered as 52 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: out of work for the last fourteen years, and he 53 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: seems to be living comfortably. Melvin the Middleman says that 54 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: he sees gold chains and a diamond studied rolex during 55 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 3: his visits. Because Daphne's actual killers are locked up, Melvin 56 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 3: alleges that Mario has been designated as the killer's official 57 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: representative and spokesman on the outside. It's what Daphne would 58 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: call a moral faminalism in action. Greed, power and criminality 59 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: channels through family ties and family loyalty, in this case, 60 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: family ties that allow the killers to reach through the 61 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 3: prison walls and continue shaping events in the outside world. 62 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: Even if the older the Georgia brother, Mario does not 63 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: have the same criminal history as his two younger brothers, 64 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: he is now their eyes and ears, managing some of 65 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: their sensitive business arrangements, like this visit from Melvin, the middleman. 66 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: Whatever happens this house called must remain completely see. Mario 67 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: de Georgia asks Melvin if he has the afaid things 68 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: and Monty they agreed upon deliveries. Melvin nods and begins 69 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: pulling out parcels from his bag, placing them on the table. 70 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: The food comes first, parcels of rabbit, traditional Maltese cheeses 71 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: and delicious to revise steaks Chinese. George and Alfred de 72 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: Bean may be behind bars on murder charges, but that's 73 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: no reason for them to eat bland prison food like 74 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: ordinary criminals, and Melvin doesn't just need to provide the 75 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: prison picnics. He's expected personally to foot the bill for 76 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: this too. 77 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 3: If Melvin the Middleman finds all this humiliating, the switch 78 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: from hiring Japanese killers to acting as their butler, he 79 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 3: doesn't show it. 80 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: But steaks and rabbit are and the only thing Melvin 81 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: the Middleman has been asked to bring on this visit. 82 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: Mario asks if he has the other stuff. Melvin jumps 83 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: to and passes over the first bulging anth. It's backed 84 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: with big denomination banknotes, the euro equivalent of thousands of dollars. 85 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: Maria de Georgia Counct one two, three thousand. That's all there. 86 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 3: Japanese Killers have let it be known that while they're 87 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 3: behind bars, they also expect certain other things to be 88 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 3: taken care of. All three of them are family men 89 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 3: with partners and children, so weekly donation has been requested 90 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 3: to pay for family expenses, everything from private school fees 91 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: to health insurance, all on top of the original fee 92 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: they were paid for the murder. This regular donation has 93 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: got steadily larger as the weeks have gone by, and 94 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 3: once again this is all coming out of Melvin the 95 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 3: Middleman's own pocket. 96 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: Now, the second envelope of banknotes is handed over, this 97 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: one even larger. This is to cover some of the 98 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: murderer's legal fees tens of thousands of dollars. The kind 99 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: of lawyers they want don't come cheap. According to Melvin 100 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: the middleman alleged master mindset he would be paying for this, 101 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: and should also be funding all the expenses involved with 102 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: keeping the assassins happy behind bars, But in fact he's 103 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: come up short. So Melvin is reaching into his own 104 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: pocket again to make up the difference, and that keeps happening. 105 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 4: So jibobawaya. 106 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 3: Here's the reason that Melvin finds himself personally bankrolling so 107 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: many of the assassin's expenses. The reason he finds himself 108 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 3: funding a murder plot that wasn't his idea and that 109 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: he doesn't benefit from. He simply can't say no. Melvin 110 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 3: the Middleman knows that at any point, any one of 111 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: the three killers behind bars could begin talking to the authorities. 112 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 3: So Melvin the Middleman's own freedom depends on their continued silence. 113 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: So each week and each month, as the demands for 114 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: cash and gifts grow greater and greater, Melvin the Middleman 115 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: hands over more and more banknotes to Mario de Georgio. 116 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: Much later in court, Melvin the Middleman will describe himself 117 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: as feeling blackmailed and having his back to the wall 118 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: when faced with these demands from the Georgios. But however 119 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: he feels for now he keeps paying, and around this 120 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: time it almost seems as though the Georgia clan is 121 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: actively enjoying testing how far they can push Melvin's generosity. 122 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: The fluffy dog that Mario de Georgia now keeps as 123 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: a pet, the one sniffing at the coffee table, that 124 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: was another unwilling gift from Melvin. It's not just any pet. 125 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: The Georgia wanted a designer pedigree dog imported all the 126 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: way from China, one that costs nearly six thousand dollars online. 127 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: Melvin the Middleman paid up again at any greed time. 128 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: During the visit, Mario de Georgio gets a phone call 129 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: from inside Corde Prison. It's the younger of the Georgia brothers, Alfred, 130 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: being the Georgia. He wants to know that everything is 131 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: running according to plan. Mario de Georgia confirms that Melvin 132 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: the Middleman has brought what he supposedly owes for this week, 133 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: including their bi steaks and the cheese, and from inside 134 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: cordeen prison, the two brothers tell Mario that they have 135 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: a special message to pass on to Melvin the middle Man. 136 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: Melvin something for him to hear and bear in mind 137 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: at all times. Okay, the oldest the Georgia brother listens 138 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: and then looks his visitor dead in the eye and 139 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: repeats word for word the messages on the inside, not 140 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: those on the outside. 141 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: Mario Georgia will later be charged with blackmail and money 142 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: in connection with the Tessamiley about these events by Melvin 143 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 3: the Middleman, married to Georgio, who's pleaded not guilty, and 144 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: the proceedings are still continuing. 145 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: So it appears that Melvin the Middleman is caught in 146 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: a delicate web connected to both mister alleged Mastermind on 147 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: one side, and did the Georgios and Vincent the Cough 148 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: on the other, and it's pretty fragile. His predicament is 149 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: in many ways a product of Malta's unique gang culture, 150 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: a culture of impunity and power and money, the same 151 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: culture that killed Daphne. In fact, the very method use 152 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: to murder her is virtually a hallmark of our homegrown mafia, 153 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: which brings us to the next piece of the puzzle, 154 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: the carbonb. 155 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: So Manuel, where are we? 156 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: This is in Sea Duck Creek, which is a very 157 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: busy junction connecting the center to the north of the island. 158 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 3: And what happened here. 159 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: Well a few years back, just across the street early 160 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: in the morning, in rush hour traffic, a car blew up. 161 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: So let me read you this. This is from Malta today, 162 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: twentyeth February twenty seventeen, forty year old man from Floriana 163 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: has been critically injured after a car exploded in McDuck 164 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: close to the Workers Monument. That's the thing behind me here. 165 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: The victim, who has lost both legs in the explosion 166 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: has been identified as Romeo Bone. Only last year, Bone 167 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: was cleared of participating into two thousand and seven Port 168 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 1: Tomas or jewelry heist. Listen to this. The explosion took 169 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: place at around ten thirty am, causing traffic creos in 170 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: the area. The witnesses said that Bone was dragged away 171 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: from the car by passers by, who also reported that 172 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: he was conscious and was able to identify himself. 173 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 3: And was anybody arrested tried convicted for this car bombing. 174 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: This was one of a long series of car bombs, 175 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: and over none of those car bombs was there ever 176 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: any arrest, never mind charges or prosecution or any of that. 177 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: No one was ever arrested for these. There's also this 178 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: spectacular factor, right, this is a ball of fire in 179 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: the middle of the road. Is someone being pulled out 180 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: without their legs from that car? And this is where 181 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: a bit of reaction starts. The public starts expecting the 182 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: police to act on this because the police are not 183 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: making any arrest, they're not getting anywhere. 184 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 3: So the gangsters who were blowing people up, what was 185 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: there to take away from this When nobody's arrested, nobody's prosecuted, uncertainly, 186 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 3: nobody's convicted. 187 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: I think the most important messages that they could get 188 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: away with it that this was fine, that this method 189 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: would work. In fact, when you study the series of 190 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: car bombings that preceded Daphne's more some patterns emerge. First 191 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: the sheer frequency. 192 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 4: There was one in January six, twenty sixteen, another in 193 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 4: September twenty sixteen. You know, there was one in October 194 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. January twenty seventeen, February twenty seventeen. 195 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: You know, Julian Bonici is a former Maltese journalist who 196 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: has tried to catalog these killings. 197 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 4: These are five car bombs within the space of a 198 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 4: year and nothing was done about it. Five bombs and 199 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 4: a yeah should be a major red flag. 200 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: There had been nineteen bomb attacks, many of them car bombs, 201 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: in the seven years leading up to Dafnese murder in 202 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: a country the size of Malta with a population of 203 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: only half a million people. That's an incredible statistic. And 204 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: the second pattern that emerged is the similarity in the 205 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: carbon devices, suggesting an organized infrastructure a production line behind 206 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: each attack. Dafnee bomb appears to have come from this 207 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: production line. Take the killing of John Camillary, blown up 208 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: around the year before Deafnie. 209 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 4: He was meted by carbon in Saint Paul's Bay. The 210 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 4: car bomb was particularly powerful, you know, during the day, 211 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 4: it was a really shocking scene. 212 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: News footage shows a white car turned almost inside out 213 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: by the blast, the roof peeled back and blackened, all 214 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: in the middle of a normal residential street. 215 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 4: And the bomb, much like very similar other cases, was 216 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 4: placed on the Camilliary seat and was detonated by mobile. 217 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 4: But what's very interesting about this murder is Camilary was 218 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 4: also chasing Georgia Georgia for some money at the time, 219 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 4: for over fifty two thousand euros. 220 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: Yes, Chinese George de Georgio, one of Dafnie's assassins, and 221 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: allegedly the man who drove the car in the drive 222 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: by murder of the lawyer carmelker Kopp that we heard 223 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: about in episode one. It's probably a good moment to 224 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: emphasize that no one has been convicted for the Camillary 225 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: killing or any of the other car bombs other than Daphny's. 226 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: So in the majority of these murders we don't know 227 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: officially or otherwise who carried them out. But as is 228 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: becoming increasingly clear, there are many more people involved than 229 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: just those who pull the trigger or in this case, 230 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: detonate the bomb. There is a wider organized infrastructure and 231 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: the same names start to come up. If we ask 232 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: who supplied all the materials for the bomb that killed Daphnie, 233 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: another connection with previous bombings seems to emerge. According to 234 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: later testimony by Vincent, the kof those materials were supplied 235 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: by a criminal gang led by two notorious brothers, Adrian 236 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: and Robert Tajus. Their organization's street name is Talmaksar. No 237 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: translation of this phrase works. 238 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 3: Vincent macaff was telling people that Talmukshah had worked closely 239 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 3: with the Di Giorgios and him for years. He later 240 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: estimated that at one point Seal Makshah were handing over 241 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 3: the equivalent of twenty one thousand dollars per month through 242 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: the Georgios for quotes work end quotes. The two criminal 243 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 3: gangs appeared to have cooperated closely on other things too. 244 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 3: In the Carmel Kirkopp drive by murder, the shooter was 245 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 3: allegedly Jamie Vella, an alleged associate of tal Muxar doctor 246 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 3: kirk Coopp. The victim was owed money by one of 247 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: the tal Muxar brothers, and according to Vincent the Cough, 248 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: Jamie Veller and Robert Adjus were also closely involved in 249 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 3: the logistics of Daphne's murder too. Remember, the first plan 250 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 3: was to kill Daphne by shooting her through the window 251 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 3: of her home. Tal Maxa's Robert Adeus was alleged to 252 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 3: have supplied the rifles. 253 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: When that plan was abandoned. And the decision was made 254 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: to switch to a car bomb. The police believe Jamievella 255 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: picked up the bomb in Sicily and brought it to 256 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: Malta on the ferry, an import service of a kind. 257 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: Vincent Dakoff was a unsurprised. He said that Al Maksarman 258 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: were known to have many Italian friends and not too 259 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: subtle reference to connections with the mafia. And there are 260 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: also striking similarities between the bomb that killed Daphne and 261 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: the device that donated in rush hour traffic at mcd creek. 262 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: The bomb that amputated Romeo Bone's legs also triggered by 263 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: cell phone. 264 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 4: What's very interesting about this med is that the court 265 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 4: sittings have revealed, you know, a potential link, you know, 266 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 4: between this explosion of Romeo Bone, Vince and Vince Musca, 267 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 4: George Georgia and Alfred de Georgia, or the three men 268 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 4: charged with murdering Dafnieasa. 269 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 3: According to Vincent Lakoff's testimony, Japhanes's gillers were so conscious 270 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 3: of the fact that mister Bone had survived that they 271 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 3: discussed whether it was wise to use a similar device 272 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 3: to kill Daphne. They put these professional concerns to Tom 273 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 3: Maxar's Robert Aurjeus as the bomb supplier, and they got 274 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 3: an intriguing and detailed answer. The Romeo bone bomb had 275 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 3: failed to kill its target, they were told, because it 276 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 3: had been placed under the car's key lock, not under 277 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 3: the seat, and so the blast had been misdirected. The 278 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 3: kind of detailed information that you would need to be 279 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: close to the perpetrators to know, it might seem. 280 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: Once again, no one has ever been convicted of any 281 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: of these crimes other than Daphanie's murder. 282 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 3: Roberts Us and Jamie Veller are currently awaiting trial for 283 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 3: complicity in Daphanese's murder as well as the Carmel Kirkop killing, 284 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 3: alongside other charges. Edrin ADUs is a waiting trial for 285 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 3: involvement in the Carmel Kirk coop killing, but is not 286 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 3: charged with involvement in Daphane's murder. They all deny the charges. 287 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 2: October twelfth, twenty fourteen. Some background on crime gang Adrian Adjus. 288 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 3: Daphne did not write much on street crime in Malta, 289 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 3: but she did write one post about Adrian Adjus. 290 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: It was a characteristically fearless post and it mentioned another 291 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: business associate of mister Ajus, who had disappeared suddenly. 292 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: Adrian Addus's friend and close associate, the drug dealer Terence 293 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: janen Say, vanished in November twenty twelve after telling his 294 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 2: family that he was going fishing. His car was found 295 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 2: parked and locked, and his yacht was still at its 296 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 2: usual mooring. None of his bank accounts have been touched 297 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 2: since he has presumed dead. He was twenty four when 298 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 2: he vanished. 299 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: It's important to note that Daphni never directly accused Adrian 300 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: Ajus of the murder, and he was never convicted. Surprisingly, 301 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: it's possible that we know exactly what Adrian Ajews thought 302 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: about this blog post. Under the post, one of Daphne's 303 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: fans had written anonymously praising her for covering this topic 304 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 1: and raising further questions about mister Ajus's family criminal history. 305 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: Mister A Juice appears to have responded to this fan. 306 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: Someone posting and Adrianajus's name wrote, I know you don't 307 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: have the balls, but if you find them somewhere in 308 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: your wife's pocket, let's meet up and we sort things out. 309 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 4: You are just a low life afraid to show your face. 310 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 4: Unsolved murders in themselves are a little bit part of 311 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 4: multi sculpture. 312 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: I'd hate to say it. 313 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 4: You know, we've had some really high profile killings in 314 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 4: the country, murders that just sort of went code. A 315 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 4: sort of question that always needed in my mind is 316 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 4: why these, particularly Mathia style murders never got solved. 317 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: Take the car bombings for example. The space of these 318 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 3: bombings in the years leading up to Japanese's death was 319 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 3: so pronounced, but it provided the impetus for the police 320 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 3: to purchase a special computed database to collate and store 321 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 3: evidence of these killings going years. So when Daphne was murdered, 322 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 3: that should have been the starting point for police to 323 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 3: tease out these very patents and connections from previous crimes. 324 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 3: But when the officer leading the investigation into Daphne's death 325 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 3: opened the database, he found almost nothing. Later he described 326 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 3: this as bare, almost unused, and the crimes remained unsolved. 327 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: And that brings us to one of Daphnie's great themes, 328 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: Malta's culture of corruption. 329 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 4: It's impossible and mold not to have connections. You know, 330 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 4: your minister, your police officer is not twenty kilometers away, 331 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 4: he's down the road. You know, you can't bump into 332 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 4: him at the supermarket, he said, you know, so, yeah, 333 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 4: what I did it created this. I think it just 334 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 4: adds to the climate and the culture of empiathetics and 335 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 4: the more the. 336 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: Same impunity that fueled both the high level misdeeds exposed 337 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: in Dafnes's blog and our epidemic of car bombings and 338 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: contract killings. 339 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 4: Criminals are confident in Morta, all the hitmen they did 340 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 4: it because they thought they could get away with it. 341 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 4: I think they were probably sure they could get away 342 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 4: with it. I mean major crime in mals are at 343 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 4: least for me. I mean, this is my perspective, and 344 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 4: I think the fact and figures would back me up. 345 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 4: Is that goes ignored, you know, whether it's a question 346 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 4: of resources in the police department, whether it's a question 347 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 4: of you know, corruption, bribery and what it does. Obviously 348 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:44,719 Speaker 4: it creates a climate where these things can happen. 349 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 3: Indeed, these things can happen. So for all these reasons, 350 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,479 Speaker 3: when Melvin the Middleman is paying visits to Mario de 351 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 3: Giorgio and Marsa and making his regular donations of food, 352 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 3: cash and gifts, he is every good reason to fear 353 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 3: those on the inside. But Melvin the Middleman is also 354 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 3: reaching breaking point. He's beginning to realize that he is 355 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 3: far out of his depth with this crime and its aftermath. 356 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: Soon after the arrest of the de Georgios and Vincent 357 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 1: de Kov, Melvin the Middleman takes out a will for 358 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: the first time, he begins drinking heavily and taking tranquilizers. Later, 359 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: he will testify that his relationship with his boss, mister 360 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: Alleged Mastermind, also changes. Although the two of them have 361 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: known and trusted each other for decades, for the first time, 362 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: Melvin the Middleman begins to fear his old friend and godfather, 363 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: fear him almost as much as he fears the de Georgios. 364 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: As ever, Melvin the Middleman is aware that he is 365 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: the only man who knows Alleged Mastermind's role in Dafne's murder, 366 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: and so if he Melvin were to disappear Suddenly, he 367 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: realizes it might of an important problem for mister Alleged Mastermind. 368 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: For all their years of friendship, nothing can change that fact, 369 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: And increasingly Melvin the Middleman sees that what happened to 370 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: people like Romeo Bone, Carmelker Cobb, John Camilly and Tiffany 371 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: herself could happen to him, and if it did happen, 372 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: he also knows there is little chance mister alleged Mastermind 373 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: would ever be caught. 374 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 3: At times, Melvin contemplates turning himself into the police, even 375 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 3: driving to a police station, before turning back at the 376 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 3: last minute, fearing the power and influence of mister alleged Mastermind. 377 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: And as time goes on, Melvin's drinking and self control 378 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: keep getting worse. At one point, he turns up at 379 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: Alleged Mastermind's office in front of important international businessmen, wanting reassurance. 380 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: As the police investigation develops and the international pressure on 381 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: Malta is so off, Daphne's murder grows, mister Eliged master 382 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: Mind continues to try to calm Melvin the Middleman down. 383 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: He reminds him of the political connections that are in 384 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: their favor. He texts him not to panic, to stay strong. 385 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: They both know that if Melvin cracks under the pressure, 386 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: he might bring them both down, and so the measures 387 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: mister religid master Mind takes to keep Melvin the Middleman 388 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: on side become more extravagant. At one point he even 389 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: pays for Melvin and his family to have a beach 390 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: holiday at his expense to reduce their stress levels. But Melvin, 391 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: perhaps wisely, is not reassured. He senses the risk of 392 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: betrayal ever more strongly. Years later, in court, Melvin the 393 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,719 Speaker 1: Middleman described how Daphne's fate, the murder he had organized 394 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: as a favor, now felt like a warning for his 395 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: own future. I thought it was my turn now, he said. 396 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: One evening, mister alleged Mastermind tries to cheer Melvin up 397 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: with a gift of some meat and wine to take home, 398 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 1: but Melvin doesn't dare touch it. Jason Atterpietly asked him 399 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: about this in court. He believed it was poisoned and 400 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: he threw it away. 401 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 5: He said in court that too much, I was afraid 402 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 5: for my life, and. 403 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 3: The pressure from mister alleged Mastermind, from quotes those inside, 404 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 3: and from the police investigation continues to build. One night, 405 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,959 Speaker 3: he becomes too much. He drinks whiskey and takes pills, 406 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 3: and then he climbs up onto the roof of his house, 407 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 3: having decided to end it all, And at the top 408 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 3: he waits, but something stops him. 409 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: He later said that at that moment in his mind, 410 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: he imagined mister Leig, mastermind, with his legs crossed, smoking 411 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: a cigar to celebrate getting away with everything, and the 412 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: idea of that made him decide instead to fight for 413 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: his survival, and. 414 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 3: He realizes there is one way he can begin to 415 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 3: protect himself by using the secrets he's carrying to his 416 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 3: own advantage a weapon to defend himself. One thing that 417 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 3: those responsible for Daphne's murder haven't considered. 418 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: And there's something else they didn't reckon on Daphne's family 419 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: and their own determination to bring her killers to justice 420 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: whatever the cost. 421 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,719 Speaker 5: We were turning up with speaking points about the corruption crisis, 422 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 5: and in doing so, we were in a way dehumanizing 423 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 5: our own mother. We were turning her into a case, 424 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 5: and we were turning ourselves into campaigners rather than grieving songs. 425 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 3: That's next time. 426 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 1: Crooks Everywhere is a production of iHeart Podcasts, Topic Studios 427 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: and Vespucci. It's reported and hosted by me Manuel Delia 428 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: and John Sweeney. The senior producer is Leo Hornack. The 429 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: producer is Maddi Hickish. 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