1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 2: Welcome an hour number three Tuesday edition the program. Appreciate 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: all of you hanging out with us. We roll through 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: the Clay and Buck program here. We're going to continue 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 2: to update you throughout this hour in the event that 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 2: we officially have a resolution on the drama that is 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: continuing to take place in the House of Representatives. Whether 9 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: or not you are going to be still seeing Kevin 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: McCarthy as Speaker of the House remains to be seen, 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: and maybe we'll get a resolution on this issue as 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: we move throughout the course of this hour. Buck, we 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: said as we finished off the last hour that we 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: were going to talk about a bit more the Trump 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: legal process and the way that it is continuing to 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: play itself out in New York City. And yesterday the 17 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: fraud trial of the Trump Organization in general began. Trump 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: went stood on the courthouse steps, had a lot to 19 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: say about the judge, about Letitia James, who is the 20 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: Attorney General of New York and who ran her campaign 21 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen based on the idea that she would 22 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 2: go after Trump, and I think a lot of people 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: are still confused about exactly what this case is. And 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: it's understandable because we've got the New York City criminal trial, 25 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: we've got the DC criminal trial, we've got South Florida 26 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 2: criminal trial, and we've got the Atlanta criminal trial. 27 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: This is civil and I. 28 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: Feel like buck, a lot of people still don't understand 29 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: the difference between civil and criminal court. The easiest way 30 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: to put it is, in civil court, typically you are 31 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: seeking monetary damages for a wrong, whereas in criminal court 32 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: typically the punishment would be a lack of freedom that 33 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: an individual potentially would face in the event that they 34 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: are found to have committed a criminal violation. So we're 35 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,919 Speaker 2: on the civil side right now. There are four criminal 36 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: trials still pending for Trump, but this is on the 37 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: civil side, and there are different standards of justice beyond 38 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt in the criminal trial more likely than not, 39 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: basically a probability standard fifty percent plus a feather is 40 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: one way that it's put that something did or did 41 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: not happen. Also confusing, I think to a lot of people, 42 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: this is a bench trial, not a jury trial. That is, 43 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: the judge will make the decisions about whether or not 44 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: there has been a violation by the Trump organization, and 45 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: essentially this case boils down for everybody out there. Two 46 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: Did the Trump organization did they inflate the value of 47 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: properties that were owned by the Trump organization in an 48 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: effort to get as much money in loans, potentially at 49 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: a lower rate than they otherwise might have been entitled 50 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: to based on the valuation of these properties. Was there 51 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: fraud perpetrated? Now, Buck, what you and I have hammered 52 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: home here? And I think this is important, And that's 53 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 2: a qui background of exactly what this synopsis is here? 54 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: What you and I have hammered home is and this 55 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: is important. There's no victim here, I have not heard. 56 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: I think JP Morgan was the bank in question. There 57 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: may have been multiple banks for people out there who 58 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: have never got I mean, it's not that much different 59 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: than what you might do when you go around and 60 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 2: decide to take out a mortgage. A lot of people 61 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: go to multiple banks and they say, hey, here are 62 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: my finances, can you give me what rate can you 63 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: give me on potentially buying this home? A lot of 64 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: you prequalify if you're going to be out shopping for homes. Buck, 65 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: you just bought a home I'm sure you went through 66 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: this process in many ways. Most of our listeners probably 67 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: at some point in their life will go through taking 68 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: out a mortgage. This is just basically a huge credit 69 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: line that the Trump organization wanted to get at the 70 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: most favorable rates possible, and they were using all of 71 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: their assets as the leverage to justify the money that 72 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: they were going to take out. 73 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: All of the loans were repaid. 74 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: Buck. 75 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,559 Speaker 1: There is literally not one dollar. 76 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: In damages that can be pointed to here, and the 77 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: potentially are trying to get hundreds of millions of dollars 78 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: in penalties based on a loan that never went bad, 79 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: was fully repaid, and nobody has complained about that's the story. 80 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 4: Now what they'll argue, and I think this is this 81 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 4: will also pinge somewhat on you know, New York law 82 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 4: and how it's written with regard to this. But by 83 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 4: inflating assets, he gets a more favorable rate, and therefore 84 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 4: the losses to the banks are the change in the 85 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,559 Speaker 4: rate as it pertains to what he would pay for 86 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 4: those loans. Right, so instead of let's say, you know, 87 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,559 Speaker 4: if you're gotta get mortgage, these days, it's like seven 88 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 4: percent something almost eight percent now right, yep, Oh, well 89 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 4: you inflated your assets so you got a five or 90 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 4: six percent mortgage rate instead. So that's where they're gonna 91 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 4: try it now. I mean, you're talking about JP Morgan. 92 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 4: They're very sophisticated. They know what these assets are. There's 93 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 4: always gray area in deciding what assets like this are worth. 94 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 4: You know. That's where I think that the Trump side 95 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 4: of this is clearly in the right. I mean, this 96 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 4: is a this is a preposterous case. But they are 97 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 4: going to say, well, the inflation of the assets gave 98 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 4: him a financial advantage, which meant less dollars going to 99 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 4: the lenders in this case. Like it's going to be 100 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 4: some version of of that, right, And the judge clearly 101 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 4: does not like Trump. The judge also likes the attention 102 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 4: from this, as we have discussed. But Donald Trump has 103 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 4: been speaking out very very directly on all this, and 104 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 4: here here he is saying, this is him this morning. 105 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 4: This has cut fifteen please talking about his net worth 106 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 4: play fifteen. 107 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 5: Judge has been given false and extremely misleading information about 108 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 5: my network private company. Nobody's supposed to know my network, 109 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 5: but now everybody is and will and I'll regress you know, 110 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 5: it's a great company. But he's been given false information, 111 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 5: mis information and corrupt informations by a very corrupt and 112 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 5: incompetence Attorney General Latsia James as what is grossly accompetent. 113 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 5: She ran on the basis side we'll get Trump without 114 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 5: knowing anything about me. So he's been given this information 115 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 5: it's now been proven to be false, such as mar 116 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 5: A Lago and Pompy Flarda being worth eighteen million dollars 117 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 5: when in fact it's much closer than one point five 118 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 5: million dollars. 119 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 4: So he's he's taking this now because of the civil trial. 120 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 4: I think also he just has much more leeway Clay 121 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 4: than he probably would than he than he will in 122 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 4: any of the criminal trials that that may be forthcoming 123 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 4: to say whatever he wants to say about all this stuff. 124 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 4: But yeah, you know he's out there fighting, no question 125 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 4: about it. 126 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: State New York buck is going to spend millions of 127 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: dollars prosecuting a victimless crime on the civil side, while 128 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: they simultaneously are not prosecuting violent crimes on a regular 129 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: basis on the criminal side. And so if I were 130 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: a New York State taxpayer, certainly if I was a 131 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 2: New York City taxpayer, I would be very unhappy with 132 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: the miss What I believe is a misallocation of resources 133 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: as it pertains to where the focus is. 134 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: Here is the truth. 135 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: If Donald Trump had never decided to enter into politics, 136 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: there would not be I legitimately believe this. I don't 137 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: think there would be a single aspect of certainly the 138 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 2: criminal trials, but I don't think there would be any 139 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: civil investigation of him that ever would have ensued, no 140 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: investigation of the Trump organization. This is from the moment 141 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: that he decided to run. I should clarify that if 142 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: he had run as a Democrat, none of this would 143 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: have happened. 144 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 4: Buck Clay, what is more likely? I mean, if you 145 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 4: take Occam's razor to this situation that you know, Donald 146 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 4: Trump faces four criminal indictments and then the civil case 147 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 4: all in a year that coincides with his re election 148 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 4: efforts just happenstance or there's an effort to get him. 149 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 4: I mean, this is what There's been a decision made 150 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 4: by the system that he is to be stopped, he's 151 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 4: to be undermined, and really he's to be destroyed. I mean, 152 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 4: I do think that there's a lot that will come 153 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 4: together in the J six case specifically, where they're going 154 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 4: to try to you know, they're going to try to 155 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 4: get a conviction there, and they're going to try to 156 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 4: have major sanctions against Trump if he is in fact 157 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 4: convicted in that DC case. 158 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: Here's another way of putting that buck. 159 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: What are the odds that Trump lived in New York 160 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: City for over fifty years as a highly public individual 161 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: of high net worth, engaged in business deals all the time, 162 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: and never committed a criminal violation. But suddenly at the 163 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: age of seventy four, seventy five, seventy six, he became 164 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: a criminal mastermind such that four different criminal trials had 165 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 2: to be brought against him, and that all of the 166 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 2: civil investigations of the Trump organization also needed to occur. 167 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: I mean, again, to your point on Akham's razor. We 168 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: talked about that awful murder down in Chattanooga. The best 169 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: predictor of future behavior, sadly is past behavior if you've 170 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: been arrested, as we just said, in DC as well, 171 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: the data reflects that the average murder or in d 172 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 2: C has been arrested eleven times prior. The guy who 173 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 2: just got murdered in Chattanooga, totally innocent at his high 174 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: school reunion. The guy who murdered him have been arrested 175 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: sixty six times. What are the odds that Trump? I 176 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: don't think, Buck correct me if I'm wrong, our stack 177 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: can look it up. I don't think he's ever been 178 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 2: charged with a criminal offense in his entire life prior 179 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 2: to this year. 180 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 4: And see what he also is. You know he lost 181 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 4: a civil case, a civil rape trial. Yes, and has 182 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 4: to be a five million dollars all these things. It 183 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 4: is hard to keep in mind all of the different 184 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 4: ways the legal system is being used to try and 185 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 4: underm mine, stop destroy Trump with whichever one you know 186 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 4: you want to pick. It's hard to keep track of 187 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 4: them because so many of them are happening, and so 188 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 4: many of them are happening at the same time. 189 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: Here's an easy way to bring this home, and this 190 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: would be a great research subject for somebody. Has anyone 191 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: at the age of seventy seven who has never been 192 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 2: charged with a felony in their entire life suddenly been 193 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: charged with felonies in four different jurisdictions at the age 194 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: of seventy seven. I bet that has never happened in 195 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: the history of the United States. Think about that for 196 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 2: a minute, just the markers that I just laid out. 197 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: I believe I'm correct that Trump has never been charged 198 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: with any criminal offense in his whole life. Most people 199 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: are charged with criminal offenses in their youth right twenties, thirties, forties, 200 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 2: testosterone men. Criminal offenses tend to peak in the twenty 201 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 2: to forty year window for men. Okay, how many people 202 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: at the age of seventy seven, never having faced criminal 203 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: charges in their entire life, suddenly chase faced criminal charges 204 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: in four different jurisdictions for the first time ever at 205 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: the age of seventy seven. I bet buck that has 206 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 2: never happened in the history of the United States, because 207 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 2: the probability of somebody over the age of seventy five 208 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: being charged with a criminal offense for the first time 209 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: is very low in the first place, right, because typically 210 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: people in their seventies are very unlikely. Your grandpa and 211 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: your grandma are very unlikely to lead a life of 212 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: zero criminal offenses and then suddenly get arrested at the 213 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 2: age of seventy seven, Like if your grandma got popped, 214 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: you'd be like, what the FBI just rated Grandma's house 215 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 2: like grandfa. 216 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 4: I think Madeoff was in his seventies, but you know it. 217 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: Was that four different jurisdictions though. 218 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 4: No, no, no, but it was a lot of charge. 219 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: It took a long time to catch him. 220 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 2: And I mean, like you can say, okay, like there's 221 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: a serial killer who has, you know, maybe gotten away 222 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 2: with everything, and suddenly they catch them with DNA. I 223 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: think that sometimes happens. But my point on a lot 224 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: of those guys is they're committing the crimes, they just 225 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 2: aren't being caught for them. 226 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 6: Right. 227 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: Trump is being charged for crimes. 228 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 2: Now that are currently occurring, right, and there's no indication 229 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: that he's ever committed any crimes before. If you're a 230 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: serial killer and you don't get caught to your seventy, 231 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 2: you probably killed somebody in your twenties, thirties, forties along 232 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: the way. 233 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: You're right, made. 234 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 2: Off got away with his scam for some time, but 235 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: he didn't get charged in four different jurisdictions to my recollection. 236 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 4: And also completely unrelated crimes. 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Secure your 260 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 4: seat at invest wealth Summit dot com today. 261 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: The voices of Sanity in an Insane World, Laye Travins said, 262 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton, we were. 263 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 4: Talking a little bit about nineties movies before, and I 264 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 4: guess eighties and nineties movies if you're going to talk 265 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 4: about the career of this next individual. Arnold Schwarzenegger is 266 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 4: obviously a figure of pop culture, renowned former governor Califonia, 267 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 4: as we all remember, and it's become very very He's 268 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 4: allegedly a Republican when he was governor. He's quite anti Trump, 269 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 4: as you may have heard from him in the past. 270 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 4: Here he is telling Trump what his advice is for 271 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 4: him to keep in shape when he is in prison. 272 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 4: Play twenty. 273 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 6: I want to ask you a. 274 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 3: Quick question about Donald Trump, because you know, you guys 275 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: both hosted The Apprentice. You know you don't necessarily see 276 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 3: eye to eye on on most things. He listed his 277 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: weight at two hundred and fifteen pounds. You are one 278 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 3: of the foremost experts on the male physique, bodybuilding, et cetera. 279 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 3: When you size him up, what would you guess that 280 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 3: that man weighs? 281 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 4: You know, I don't really know how much he weighs. 282 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 7: I can tell you one thing that if you would 283 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 7: ask me what you to do for fitness, that would 284 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 7: say a round around yourself three times. 285 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 4: You're going to be in great great Say all right. 286 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 4: First of all, Clas, I didn't even realize that the 287 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 4: night you know, the nighttime comedy. 288 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: They're back. 289 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 4: We're back, They're apparently back. I don't think anyone really enough, 290 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 4: no one of any taste missed them. But beyond that, 291 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 4: I really think these Democrats think they're going to lock 292 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 4: up Donald Trump. I really think that they believe that 293 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 4: they're going to be able to, at least at some 294 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 4: point in some way get him into a cell. Does 295 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 4: that strike you as implot like it is that impossible 296 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 4: in your mind? 297 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: Or is it it's impossible? 298 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: It feels impossible because again, this is what this is 299 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: what I keep looking at Buck and just saying, it's 300 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: like they haven't. 301 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: Recognized where this all leads. 302 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 2: They're not going to put Trump in prison and allow 303 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: him to be killed by some random criminal that is 304 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: also in prison with him. 305 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: Well, they wouldn't. 306 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 4: They wouldn't put him in general population. I mean, he 307 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 4: would obviously be in some kind of secret Service would 308 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 4: have to be there with him. 309 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: I think what they would probably end up doing is saying, 310 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: like your sentence to the grounds of mar Lago, because 311 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: I just can't imagine, yeah, house arrest. I just can't 312 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: imagine that they're going to put him in any kind 313 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: of prison environment. And then because he's got Secret Service 314 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: protection for life, right, and I just but the whole 315 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 2: process here, it's absolutely bonkers buck. I mean, in March 316 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 2: in theory, Jack Smith is going to be trying to 317 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: put Donald Trump in prison for the rest of his 318 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: life in front of a kangaroo court in Washington, d C. 319 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 2: That's gonna happen. I mean I was talking about this 320 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: off air. I don't even know how we're gonna cover it. 321 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: Will there be live audio every day of the court proceedings. 322 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: Will we be playing a lot of that live audio 323 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 2: for this audience. I mean, there's not even a precedent 324 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: for us to sit back. It's almost like the OJ cases. 325 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: But it's the OJ case in a far more significant vein. 326 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: I think today is the twenty eighth anniversary of the 327 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: OJ Simpson verdict. And for people out there who remember 328 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 2: how much that case took over American life, and it 329 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: really didn't matter. It's not like OJ was in some 330 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 2: way going to be in an incredible powerful position based 331 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 2: on what the outcome of the election was. This is 332 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: an unprecedented situation that even I'm not sure how we're 333 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 2: gonna handle on this show, but I can't believe they're 334 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 2: gonna put them in prison. 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I know 360 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: that you were super aggressive several was it five years ago? 361 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 2: Basically now, Buck, when the Brett Kavanaugh allegations were totally 362 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: bs and many people accepted them, and we created the 363 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 2: whole me Too universe and hashtag. 364 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: Believe all Women. 365 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: It's had real significant consequences across all aspects of American life, 366 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 2: and one just revealed itself yesterday afternoon, and I sent 367 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: this to you, Buck because I wasn't sure how familiar 368 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: you were with this story, and they give everybody out 369 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 2: there like a forty five second background here. Trevor Bauer 370 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: is an All star pitcher, one of the best Major 371 00:19:53,880 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: League Baseball pitchers in the country, incredibly highly paid, left 372 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Reads and went to pitch for the LA Dodgers, 373 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: And after he got to LA, a woman accused him 374 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: of sexual assault, and not just sexual assault, particularly a 375 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: heinous version of sexual assault that involved him choking her 376 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 2: to the point of near death, beating her up, fracturing 377 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: her skull. Really really not just sexual assault but awful 378 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 2: violent acts, and those allegations were spread widely by sports media, 379 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 2: who accepted the anonymous woman's claims as one hundred percent truth. Yesterday, 380 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 2: after a multi year legal battle, there were never any 381 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: criminal charges brought, which should immediately have raised your eyebrows, like, okay, 382 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 2: what was going on here? Trevor Bauer settled the lawsuit 383 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: that he had filed, and the woman as well settled 384 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 2: her lawsuit. They basically agreed to walk away, and Trevor 385 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 2: Bauer shared a great deal of evidence that had never 386 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 2: been public that the woman basically decided to set him 387 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 2: up because he was worth tens of millions of dollars 388 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 2: and she was never actually raped, and she was never 389 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: actually physically assaulted based on the evidence that he laid 390 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: out there. And I know we have a lot of 391 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: people who listen all over the country, and I've been 392 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 2: really frustrated as a lawyer about the degree to which 393 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 2: identity politics has taken over our justice system. That is, 394 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 2: your race, your gender, your sexuality, whatever it is, your 395 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: identity is a proxy for whether you're guilty or innocent, 396 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: not the actual facts of a case. And I think 397 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: we're failing in. 398 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: A big way. 399 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 2: But what I would say here, and I'm curious how 400 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 2: you would respond to this idea, Buck. This also, by 401 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 2: the way, happened for a Buffalo Bill's punter, Trevor Rasa, 402 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 2: who lost his job in the NFL as soon as 403 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 2: he was alleged committed gang rape. It turns out that 404 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 2: the woman consented, there no gang rape that actually occurred. 405 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: When a woman falsely accuses a man of rape, I 406 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 2: believe that, and it's proven. I believe that the woman 407 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 2: there should be a legislation introduced all over the country. 408 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: I believe that the. 409 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 2: Woman should face the same punishment that the man would 410 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 2: have faced in the event that he was guilty of rape. 411 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: Because what we have created when we say hashtag believe 412 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 2: all women is a universe where women with they don't 413 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 2: even have their names oftentimes because of rape shield laws, 414 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: ever put out publicly can attack a man, his name 415 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: is immediately put out everywhere, and if you are later 416 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 2: found to be the victim, like it appears Trevor Bauer 417 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: was here based on the evidence, this is basically duke 418 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: la crosse. If you are found to be innocent, you 419 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: can never go back and reclaim what was taken for 420 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 2: you by the false allegations, and the woman just gets 421 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 2: to skate off into the future with no consequences for 422 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 2: the lies. If you are a survivor of sexual assault, 423 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,959 Speaker 2: you should be one hundred percent opposed to any woman 424 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: that lies about sexual assault because it delegitimizes what actually 425 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: happened to you. Don't you think there should be criminal 426 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: consequences and out in cases like these where there are 427 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: these fake allegations made that are designed to ruin a 428 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 2: man's life, there. 429 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 4: Should definitely be criminal consequences. There are criminal consequences everywhere 430 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 4: else in the law. For perjury for lying about not 431 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 4: even necessarily allegations, but just lying in general. This shouldn't 432 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 4: be separated from that. And you mentioned the Duke Cross case. 433 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 4: In that instance, the woman who brought the fake gang 434 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 4: rape allegation against those Duke lacrosse players, what she did 435 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 4: not face any criminal sanction for a clear and provable lie. Right, 436 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 4: there's a difference between this wasn't proven in a court 437 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 4: of law, meaning, you know, it's not that Okay, this 438 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 4: person who was accused was acquitted. Now we have to 439 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 4: turn around and charge a person in the allegation. Obviously 440 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 4: you can't do that either. But if it is provable 441 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 4: beyond a reasonable doubt that somebody lied about this allegation, 442 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 4: it is in fact in the law that they should 443 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 4: suffer consequences of that. And the Duke Lacrosse accuser went 444 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 4: on to kill a guy. Yeah, that's so somebody probably 445 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 4: would be alive today if there had been criminal consequences 446 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 4: for someone who tried to ruin lives. I mean, you 447 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 4: know that is The Kavanough moment is still I think 448 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 4: one of the ugliest things I've ever seen. It might 449 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 4: be the ugliest thing I've ever seen in American politics 450 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 4: and Kamala Harris I will never forgive or forget, was 451 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 4: a major part of that part of the Senate Committee 452 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 4: that was trying to really commit a ritualized and excruciating 453 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 4: psychological towards sure and destruction of the soul of an 454 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 4: entirely obviously innocent man. And it was all about protecting abortion. 455 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 4: It was all about the ends justify the means. Of 456 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 4: the three women who came forward, they were each lacking 457 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 4: in credibility, but the second and the third went to 458 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 4: the point of being just absurd and insane. You know, 459 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 4: you can't make allegations against somebody and say, well, I 460 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 4: don't really remember what happened, which is what the second 461 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 4: woman did. And there were other allegations against Kavanaugh that 462 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 4: they didn't even bring forward because they were so obviously untrue, 463 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 4: as in Kavanaugh sexually you know this one woman told 464 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 4: the Senate Committee, or tried to get word of the 465 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 4: Senate Committee, that Kavanaugh had sexually assaulted her in a 466 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 4: state he had never been in, So that would have 467 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 4: been that would have been a metaphysical, you know, feat 468 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 4: of anyway, you understand, the whole thing is absurd, It 469 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 4: was crazy. It was disgusting and Democrats paid some price 470 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 4: politically for it. I think it cost them the Senate. 471 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 4: But we now have this standard where people can try 472 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 4: to destroy people based on evidence free allegations. I mean, 473 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 4: there's no evidence other than I say someone did a thing, 474 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 4: and it can be a thing that, in the case 475 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 4: of Kavanaugh, is so far ago that what are we 476 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 4: even talking about, Like, how could you defend yourself correct? 477 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 4: How can you defend yourself against allegations that are that old? 478 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 4: And in this case with this individual you're talking about now, 479 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 4: at least he didn't face criminal sanction, but he faced 480 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 4: massive professional sanction. This baseball player, his career has ruined, 481 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 4: His reputation was ruined and destroyed. And where does he 482 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 4: go to get his reputation the last two years of 483 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 4: his life back and his career and everything else Where 484 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 4: does he go? 485 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 2: The media to a large extent that helped to ensure 486 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 2: that he was unable to So for me about there 487 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: who don't understand he's pitching in Japan now because he's 488 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 2: effectively been banned by Major League Baseball based on these allegations. 489 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 2: And it's been inevitable that this would happen because Duke 490 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 2: Lacrosse happened, and when you make a decision that you're 491 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: going to determine whether or not this was true. Remember, 492 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 2: the media wanted Duke Lacrosse to be true because they 493 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 2: wanted privileged white guys to have raped a black stripper. 494 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 2: Like they wanted that to happen because it comported with 495 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 2: their worldview. It was perfect for them. Oh, look at 496 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: these rich white kids. They're playing lacrosse at this privileged school. 497 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 2: Of course they raped. I think there were two girls 498 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 2: initially that were involved strippers that came to a house 499 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 2: off campus, and you know, they shut down the season, 500 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 2: they fired the Duke lacrosse coach. Ultimately, the Duke lacrosse 501 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 2: players were able to get massive settlements which we've never 502 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 2: had fully fully revealed. 503 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: But you would think that would be a lesson for 504 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: sports media, wouldn't you. 505 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know that you could have a 506 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 2: more clarifying situation. And then Duke Lacrosse where those those kids, 507 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 2: those Duke lacrosse the players were one hundred percent innocent. 508 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: And now again based on this evidence that has come 509 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: out about Trevor Bauer, it appears that he's one hundred 510 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: percent innocent too. And where do you go to get 511 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: back what was taken for you based on the false allegations. 512 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 2: And don't tell me Buck that this woman didn't know. 513 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: When Kamala Harris said hashtag We're gonna believe all women, 514 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 2: that she would be believed because again, identity politics dictate 515 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: that the wealthy white baseball player was the victimizer. That's 516 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: what they want the world to be, because that's what 517 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 2: the identity politics victimization pyramid, the oppression Olympics dictates has 518 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 2: to happen. 519 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 4: And with Kavanaugh, the message that was sent, even though 520 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 4: he did end up making it to the Supreme Court. 521 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 4: And I think that anyone of any who's even vaguely 522 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 4: fair minded understood the whole thing was just a smear. 523 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 4: I mean, the ugliest and most disgraceful political smear of 524 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 4: my lifetime. I think, oh, oh, Russia collusion was really 525 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 4: bad too, But this that's a of a different kind. 526 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 4: But Clay, it sends a message to people if you 527 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 4: stand against the machine, or if you get on the 528 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 4: wrong side of the politics in this country, people will 529 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 4: come forward who will lie about you being a sexual 530 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 4: predator in front of your your you know, in front 531 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 4: of all of America, your friends and family and everyone 532 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 4: that you know, and even when they're proven to have 533 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 4: been lying, or even when it's clear that they're lying, 534 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 4: they will feel justified in this because it is it 535 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 4: is worth it to them And the fact that we've 536 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 4: never really grappled with that as a country, and there's 537 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 4: never really been anybody who has come forward to say, 538 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 4: you know, that Kavanaugh could have been anyone's dad, anyone's friend, 539 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 4: anyone's you know, baseball coach, you know, whatever, you know, 540 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 4: for the little league team. That that was one of 541 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 4: the ugliest, most disgraceful things the Democrats ever done it. 542 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 4: And I think that as a society we need to 543 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 4: start having a little bit more of a hold on 544 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 4: a second like this baseball player to bring it back, 545 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 4: you know, full circle again, how did this happen to him? 546 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: Like? 547 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 4: How can major League Baseball look itself in the mirror 548 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 4: and not think we we ruined you know, an entirely 549 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 4: innocent guy's life, or at least in a ruin two 550 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 4: years that I you know, it looks sounds like he's 551 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 4: going to be all right. You know, they're never a 552 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 4: criminal charges brought, thank god. Yeah, but there could have 553 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 4: been as on the allegations. 554 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: I think ultimately buck when it's about his cowardice. 555 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: Because if you are willing to say maybe Trevor Bauer 556 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: didn't do it, then immediately the media says, oh, you're 557 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: a rape apologist, right, because everybody is afraid when there's 558 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 2: an accusation like this. And I just saw we talked 559 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: about with Mel Tucker. I mean, don't forget Mel Tucker, 560 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 2: the head football coach in Michigan State just lost his 561 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 2: eighty million dollar job because a woman claimed that he 562 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 2: had engaged in non consensual phone sex with her during. 563 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: A thirty six minute phone call. 564 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 2: I'm like the only person in all of college football 565 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 2: media who said, wait a minute, this is total BS. 566 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: Is that because I'm uniquely in possession of a functional brain. No, 567 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 2: it's because all these guys who cover college football are 568 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 2: afraid if they speak up and say, yeah, this is BS, 569 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 2: that they're going to get targeted and they're going to 570 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 2: lose their job. And that's the same reason you got 571 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 2: a lot of cowards in Major League Baseball. You got 572 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 2: a lot of cowards in this country right now. People 573 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 2: don't want to speak up about what's right because they're 574 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: afraid that they're going to get targeted. And I think 575 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 2: to a large extent, that's why so many people are 576 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 2: rallying around Trump, because even if they don't think he's 577 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 2: one hundred percent innocent, they at least appreciate the fact 578 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: that he is willing to actually take on the slings 579 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 2: and arrows of this illegitimate justice system that we have 580 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 2: created in order to stand up for in the long run, 581 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: what may be right? 582 00:31:58,760 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 6: All right? 583 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 4: Swishing gears here. 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Hey, let's go choose some calls, Clay, 621 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 4: Let's go to Chuck in Ohio. Chuck has some thoughts 622 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 4: on the Gates and McCarthy situation. What's going on, Chuck? 623 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 6: Hey, guys, how you doing good? Speaking of cowards, I 624 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 6: think you McCarthy's kind of a coward by not keeping 625 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 6: his word to the to the rest of the of 626 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 6: the Republicans. I think he needs to go. 627 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 4: I'm like, wow, So where did he Where do you 628 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 4: break his word in your mind? 629 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 6: Tell us? 630 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 4: Tell us more? 631 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 6: Okay, Well, where's the J six video? I'd love to 632 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 6: see that. I'd like all that to be released. Where's 633 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 6: the hundred? Why isn't Hunter and Jim Biden in front 634 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 6: of Congress? Why are we doing sitingle subject bills? 635 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: So who do you think? 636 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 2: So just just question. I get the idea. You're angry. 637 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 2: People get angry. They want to replace somebody. That's natural. 638 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 2: Who's a better replacement. 639 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 6: Well, that's obviously I don't have I think Scalisee would 640 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 6: be a great replacement, but he's not available. 641 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 2: He's dealing with cancer or wishing him well. But I mean, 642 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 2: that's my thank you for the call. That's the biggest 643 00:34:59,000 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 2: question that Buck and I have. 644 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: I'm fine. 645 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 2: I understand people get angry and they're like, hey, I 646 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 2: want this guy or this gal whoever, I want him 647 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 2: out of office. I'm not happy with the choices they've made. 648 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 2: I understand it, But what is the replacement? Anger's not 649 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 2: a strategy. I haven't heard anybody say Okay, I want 650 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 2: Kevin McCarthy gone, and now I want this person as 651 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 2: the next speaker because he or she will do an 652 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 2: infinitely better job than the person we're replacing. When you 653 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 2: fire somebody, I understand the desire to fire. You get angry, 654 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 2: like that's the number one motivation in sports. Coaches get 655 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 2: fired all the time. I understand it. I always say, Okay, 656 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 2: who's better that you're going to replace him with? And 657 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 2: what I haven't heard, and I don't think you've heard 658 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 2: it either, Buck, is a coherent, rational strategy of why 659 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 2: this firing is going to make the Republican Party stronger 660 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 2: as we get ready for next year's election. 661 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: And that's what I would like to hear. 662 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 4: Let's take next st up here, Dean in Boston. What's 663 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 4: going on, Dean. 664 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 6: About the Trump case in New York. 665 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 7: So, if they're going to make a claim that he 666 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 7: has somehow played around with the assessed numbers of his properties, 667 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 7: then that would mean that the banks were complicit in 668 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,720 Speaker 7: it in assessing the properties. If unless he paid cash 669 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 7: for everything, he had to have loans and the city 670 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 7: assessor has to tax them on the building. So the 671 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 7: city assessor dropped the ball and allowed that and the. 672 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: Yes, thanks for thanks for the call. Okay, there's a 673 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: lot of theory here. 674 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 2: They're arguing that the bank is the victim because the 675 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 2: valuation that the Trump industry, that the Trump organization put 676 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 2: on their properties was not factually accurate. 677 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: Therefore, the loan, the bank, the loan error. 678 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 2: Was the victim here because they were they had a 679 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 2: fraud perpetrated against them. That's the argument of the State 680 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 2: of New York. What Buck and I have said consistently 681 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 2: is they got repaid on their loan. What is the 682 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 2: actual crime here? And to be their. 683 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 4: Crime is being is being Trump. That's the trime.