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Speaker 2: That's a genuine lake cut up.

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Speaker 1: The top edge and he caught it as clear as

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Speaker 1: That's mark yours hundred, one hundred one debut.

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Speaker 3: And what a magnificent it in it's been. That's one

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Speaker 3: hundred floor mark or back to back centuries. That's a

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Speaker 3: magnificent performance. Welcome to a special edition of the Nodongks podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm Leos today. I welcome to the program a guest

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Speaker 3: who is very well known in the cricket world. A

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Speaker 3: glorious and exquisite batsman, a handy, medium pace and spin bowler,

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Speaker 3: and still the finest slips catcher the game has ever seen.

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Speaker 3: He won everything from the World Cup to multiple Ashes

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Speaker 3: series and had a huge hand in Australia recapturing the

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Speaker 3: Frank Warrel Trophy after almost twenty years in West Indian keeping.

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Speaker 3: A Hall of famer who made about the same amount

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Speaker 3: of runs in both Test cricket and the One day

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Speaker 3: game in all, scoring over sixteen thousand for his country,

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Speaker 3: and he even registered a five for as a bowler

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Speaker 3: in both forms of the game, cementing himself as one

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Speaker 3: of the most versatile cricketers in history, and he did

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Speaker 3: it all while having the best hair in the dressing

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Speaker 3: the line from Central Coast, New South Wales right now.

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Speaker 3: He is Mark Wore. Mark Welcome to the No Dunks Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was a good introduction. Not sure about

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Speaker 1: the best hair in the dressing room but that. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that's a compliment or not. But I

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Speaker 1: did have a pretty good mullet there when I first

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it was the style, wasn't it in

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Speaker 3: that the late eighties early nineties Everyone kind of had one.

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Speaker 2: Really Yeah, he didn't have a mullet. You went up

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Speaker 1: So now I just copied everyone else and thought looked

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Speaker 2: Back, it probably wasn't the best. At least I had

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Speaker 3: Well, look in preparing for this, Mark the guy followed

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Speaker 3: your career very closely anyway, and I listened to a

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Speaker 3: few podcast you've been on. So I'm going to try

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Speaker 3: to avoid some of the questions that you've probably been

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Speaker 3: were very good athletes. You were good at soccer and tennis,

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean all ball sports we sort of we've played.

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Speaker 1: Mum and Dad were good tennis players, of course, and

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Speaker 1: Well, it was always sort of fifty to fifty were

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're a little bit surprised that Australia hasn't really

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Speaker 1: A little bit, but I mean our best team was

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Speaker 2: I reckon we were very competitive in World Cups.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I want to start with your one day

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Speaker 1: Well, when I first played for Australian Adie Eyes, I

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Speaker 1: But on that tour to New Zealand you're talking about

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Speaker 1: Alan Boarder just came up to me at the start

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Speaker 1: of the One daye and said, you know, do you

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Speaker 2: Open the batting?

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Speaker 1: few series there I wasn't opening, but yeah, I mainly

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Speaker 3: Well, I remember because then there was the Ashes Tour

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Speaker 3: of ninety three and you and Alan Border actually had

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Speaker 3: you and Alan Border you had one hundred and thirteen.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know what I think, Well, on an

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Speaker 1: And it was crazy stuff like he's a good feelsman too.

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Speaker 2: the one that doesn't terms of beautiful arm.

440
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Speaker 3: Ball, yeah, and then the chase against New Zealand, you know,

441
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Speaker 3: because it was Chris Harris and Jimon who you know,

442
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Speaker 3: Chris Harris I think in one hundred and thirty that

443
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Speaker 3: game and you you made another ton in that game.

444
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Speaker 3: Incredible century. But that was also when Tubbs threw out

445
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Speaker 3: Shane warn To to sort of mix it up and

446
00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,879
Speaker 3: Deepak Patel dropped in. But then Warning I think he'd

447
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Speaker 3: three six as he made thirty and it really got

448
00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,200
Speaker 3: the team going. Again, that's nothing you don't really see

449
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Speaker 3: any more though, in the game. Is it like, because

450
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Speaker 3: everyone kind of plays with that aggressive aggressive way from

451
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Speaker 3: the start, Now, is that a fair assessment of the

452
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Speaker 3: current one day game.

453
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think you see a little bit

454
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Speaker 1: where players shuffle up the order just to.

455
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Speaker 2: Go in and pinch hit.

456
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Speaker 1: And I think there's occasions you do see these days.

457
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Speaker 1: In those days it wasn't seen that often. But if

458
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Speaker 1: you remember the World Cup in nineteen ninety in Australia,

459
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Speaker 1: New Zealand and Sri Lanka sort of changed the way

460
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Speaker 1: to play. You know, they're pinch hitters at the top,

461
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Speaker 1: scoring quickly. But yeah, warning, yeah, he came in a

462
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Speaker 1: little cameo. I remember that innings in Madras. Actually we

463
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Speaker 1: feel it first and it was so hot I think

464
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Speaker 1: I might have bowled ten overs as well. Yeah, and

465
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Speaker 1: Chris Harris and le Jamun got runs. We didn't talk

466
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Speaker 1: about that much in the in the meeting of the

467
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Speaker 1: night before that two bats we didn't focus on. But

468
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Speaker 1: when I first had the bat, there was not much

469
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Speaker 1: of a break between our innings in the field and

470
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Speaker 1: then going straight to bat. And at the start of

471
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Speaker 1: my eatings, I actually started to cramp up in my calves,

472
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Speaker 1: which I never cramp up at all. I thought, Jesus

473
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Speaker 1: is going to be bad if I'm cramping up early

474
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Speaker 1: on but I managed to get through the innings. Obviously

475
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Speaker 1: in those conditions, Chris Harris made runs.

476
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Speaker 2: He went out to Bill he couldn't even run, he

477
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Speaker 2: was up running into ball. I remember that.

478
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Speaker 1: So conditions were really tough, and I mean that innings

479
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Speaker 1: was probably not far behind meetings against India in the

480
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Speaker 1: lead up games. So yeah, a couple of big hundreds

481
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Speaker 1: in tough conditions. It's always it feels good when you

482
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Speaker 1: do that and get your team over the line.

483
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Speaker 3: Of course, I'm sure it does because again it's different

484
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Speaker 3: when you're defending versus having a chase two hundred and eighty,

485
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Speaker 3: you know, because a couple of wickets can really turn

486
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Speaker 3: the contest back into the team that's defending there. But

487
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Speaker 3: as I say, you got the hundred, then Warning came

488
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Speaker 3: out there and just nice little pinch hit. But I

489
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Speaker 3: want to shift now a little bit now to your

490
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Speaker 3: Test career, because you obviously started at Adelaide. We know

491
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Speaker 3: about the big sentry there, but I want to go

492
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Speaker 3: actually to your first tour, which was to the West

493
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Speaker 3: Indies to the Caribbean. They were still a force and

494
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Speaker 3: they won that series pretty comfortably. In the end, I

495
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Speaker 3: know you've got a century I think in the last

496
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Speaker 3: Test match there, but then the following season ninety two

497
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Speaker 3: to ninety three, Australia's on the brink of winning the

498
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Speaker 3: Frank Worrel Trophy. We only need one hundred and eighty six.

499
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Speaker 3: On that last day in Adelaide and it disaster struck.

500
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, like Curtly and Courtney came in

501
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Speaker 3: and I think it was Tim May made forty two

502
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Speaker 3: nearly really steered Australia home. So and then a week

503
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Speaker 3: later in Perth, Australia really did just look out classes Curtney,

504
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 3: Curtly Ambrose had that incredible spell seven for one and

505
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Speaker 3: they recaptured it. And for Australia to be on the

506
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Speaker 3: brink of defeating the nation, the country that had dominated

507
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Speaker 3: us for so long, I mean it must have just

508
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Speaker 3: been devas well. And border was obviously for him, especially

509
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Speaker 3: towards the end of his career there, to have the

510
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 3: Frank Wall Trophy in his hands and basically lose it

511
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Speaker 3: in Adelaide and then and then the Western Ausrael Perth,

512
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Speaker 3: it was just it was all over. I mean, what

513
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Speaker 3: was it like for you still early into your career

514
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Speaker 3: at that point.

515
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean the West Indies were a great team,

516
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: you know through the eighties and the early nineties, the benchmark.

517
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 1: They were so dominant and you really didn't expect to

518
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Speaker 1: beat them when you played against them. I remember my

519
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: first tour to the Caravan where I did pretty well actually,

520
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Speaker 1: but I just remember the atmosphere and our squad, you know,

521
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Speaker 1: it was a bit negative, you know, we just we're

522
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Speaker 1: just said to turn up and play without really having

523
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Speaker 1: the conference to beat them.

524
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Speaker 2: So that was a little bit disappointing from my point

525
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Speaker 2: of view.

526
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Speaker 1: But personally I was very happy with the tour, even

527
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Speaker 1: though I was playing some of the guys I looked

528
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Speaker 1: up to, guys like Richard, you know, on the same

529
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Speaker 1: field as those guys. I mean, I remember their side

530
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Speaker 1: they had Haines Greenwich, Richard's, Richardson, Doujon Logi, Malcolm Marshall, Walsh,

531
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Speaker 1: Ambrose Bishop.

532
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Speaker 2: You know, you don't get a much better team that

533
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Speaker 2: and you're almost in all playing against those guys.

534
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Speaker 1: So to be on the same field in the same

535
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: dressing was it was amazing. But after that, obviously you're

536
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Speaker 1: talking about in Australia where Adelaide, where Craig McDermott was

537
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Speaker 1: given out off. Darryl Hair gave him out. I'm not

538
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: sure if it was out or not. Anyway, I was

539
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Speaker 1: given out and it was so frustrating to lose, to

540
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Speaker 1: be so close and lose that test and go to

541
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Speaker 1: Perth and let's let's just give the Western is the

542
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: best pitch that can possibly bowl on a bouncing pitch

543
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Speaker 1: with some grass on it. Let's just make it a

544
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: little bit harder for ourselves. And currently Ambrose just too

545
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Speaker 1: good in those conditions that was ready made for their

546
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Speaker 1: quick bowlers, and so close.

547
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Speaker 2: In that series, but you know, so far al on board.

548
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Speaker 1: It was so disappointed because he just gopt the hammering

549
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: his whole career playing against the West so frustructing for him.

550
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Speaker 3: You mentioned it there as well, like every kid, the

551
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Speaker 3: thing about the West Indies is like they tortured us

552
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Speaker 3: all in the seventies and eighties, but we also kind

553
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 3: of like being well, we all wanted to be Viv

554
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Speaker 3: Richards as kids. I want to be Viv Richards, you know,

555
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Speaker 3: I want to be like the cool guy who just

556
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 3: comes out there, no helmet, you know, chewing on the garm,

557
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 3: the collar up, hitting sixes all over the place, and

558
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 3: was like this team just comes out here and pounds

559
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: us every time they come out. But there's so much enjoyable,

560
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 3: there's so much fun to watch. Is so enjoyable exactly.

561
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Speaker 2: I mean he was my idol, Viv Richards.

562
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Speaker 3: So yeah, and all.

563
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Speaker 1: The description you just said of him, that's that's what

564
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: made him such a special player. But they did not

565
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: have a bad player in their squad. They really didn't

566
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Speaker 1: know they had that or about them. Everyone's love watching

567
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Speaker 1: him play.

568
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, so that brings us into ninety five and

569
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Speaker 3: obviously one of the most if not the most significant

570
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Speaker 3: tour and series victory of your career. I'm sort of

571
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Speaker 3: saying this myself because there's maybe there's something else, but

572
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 3: just because of all that history and all that drama

573
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Speaker 3: that have been around there. Then you go back to

574
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Speaker 3: the West Indies and ironically the series I kind of

575
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 3: went the same way as it did in Australia. You

576
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Speaker 3: guys won the first Test, I think it was a drawing,

577
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Speaker 3: the second Test and now the third Test there was

578
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Speaker 3: like two hundred and thirty four runs total scored and

579
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Speaker 3: Australia lost by an innings. I don't know. I was

580
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Speaker 3: looking over that and I was thinking how did that happen?

581
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Speaker 3: I don't know. The pitch must have just been an

582
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Speaker 3: absolute mind.

583
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Speaker 2: It was a shocker in portus Fain.

584
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Speaker 1: Yeahhi was very damp and you just needed luck to

585
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: get runs. And you know, facing those sorts of ballers

586
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: on those sort of pitches, it's very tough. So yeah,

587
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Speaker 1: I mean one all going into Jamaica, into Kingston, which

588
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: is traditionally a tough place to play for teams, and yeah,

589
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: we we just got it done self and Stephen put

590
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Speaker 1: on that great partnership and then we end up winning

591
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Speaker 1: that game pretty easy. So it was really the change

592
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Speaker 1: of the guard, I mean change in you know, the

593
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Speaker 1: people who are in the best and world cricket. The

594
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Speaker 1: Westerns are dominated for probably ten to fifteen years, and then.

595
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Speaker 2: We we took over.

596
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Speaker 1: And since San we've sort of kept progressing in the

597
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Speaker 1: West innings. Unfortunately, you know, have have gone a bit

598
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Speaker 1: a bit the other way. Yeah, you might recognize this.

599
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Speaker 1: It's the war Path photo.

600
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do. I do recognize that.

601
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Speaker 3: So, I mean, yeah, I picked that up as soon

602
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Speaker 3: as they had it for sale, I picked it up.

603
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Speaker 3: It was on one hundred and fifty bucks.

604
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Speaker 1: It's worth but that that that ground Kingston, Jamaica is

605
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Speaker 1: so intimidating.

606
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Speaker 2: You know, the crowd just want blood.

607
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: You know, they love to think guys get hit in

608
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Speaker 1: their helmet, and you know, it's just an amazing, amazing

609
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Speaker 1: place to play. I must admit when I went out

610
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Speaker 1: to bat in that first innings, I wasn't confident at all.

611
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Speaker 2: It's funny. Look, you know, I was just hoping to

612
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Speaker 2: get runs.

613
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Speaker 1: And then I got through the first twenty I think

614
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Speaker 1: David Burne was out before me. He got I think

615
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: he brushed his helmet, actually got given out care behind

616
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: the bounce of flying through and then you know the

617
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: crowded just off the off their rock. And I went

618
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Speaker 1: out to bat and I think I've got a bound.

619
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Speaker 1: It's the first ball. Well, I ducked it anyway. I

620
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: don't think he was short, but I thought the bounce

621
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Speaker 1: was coming and I got underneath it.

622
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Speaker 2: Man used to get through the first twenty minutes and

623
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: then I was right. The picture was a good pitch

624
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Speaker 2: to bat on. Obviously, Stephen played a great innings at

625
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Speaker 2: the other ends, and that sort of set up set

626
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: up to win.

627
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard on another podcast you were on that

628
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 3: your dad who used to run a news agency. If

629
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Speaker 3: ever there was negative stuff written in the papers, he

630
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: used to hide them up the back. So now I

631
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: did he didn't.

632
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: He didn't.

633
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: He didn't like the Australian newspaper right too, not that

634
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: they sold many copies out in the West of Sydney

635
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: the Australian anyway, Yeah.

636
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Speaker 3: I bet, I bet after the after that win in

637
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 3: Jamaica there he probably moved a few more copies that

638
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: that followed. They were probably like, why are we selling

639
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 3: so many at the war news agencies today?

640
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he took it a bit personal, dad, Yeah, he

641
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: never never used to like when we got any criticism,

642
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: which is going to happen, that's that's the game.

643
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: Isn't at the top level.

644
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: But you're probably not the best business to be and

645
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: as you get upset by them by the media having.

646
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 2: A newsagent, yeah, that's right. But all was good on

647
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 2: that occasion. Yeah.

648
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: So you know, speaking of the West Indies, they pretty

649
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 3: much you know, I'm going to briefly touch on the

650
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: ninety ninth series because that was just an incredible series,

651
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 3: but they've really been on decline since then and to

652
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 3: the point where they're largely irrelevant now, which is really sad,

653
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 3: really sad, because that was one of the tours I

654
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 3: remember used to most look forward to seeing. But when

655
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 3: was the last time Australia even toured for a Test

656
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 3: series in the West Indies. I mean it doesn't I

657
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: don't know, I haven't. I don't recall really one in

658
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: the last five years anyway, but I.

659
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: Was, I was selected when we were there last time.

660
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: I think would have been five six years ago, yeah,

661
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: because I remember having my fiftieth birthday in Dominica, right, So, right,

662
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: fifty six, so that's six years ago, right, you're right.

663
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: The demise of Western East cricket is quite sad because they're.

664
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: So important to the strength of world cricket. At the moment.

665
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: It's really India, Australia, New Zealand and England and the

666
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: Western is They are got a few decent players, but

667
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, their crowds have dropped off. Yeah, they

668
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: don't seem to have the facilities to provide, you know,

669
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: a good building block for young players. The thing with

670
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: the West in Is is you've got different islands, different countries,

671
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: so it's a little bit segregated. Yeah, in that way,

672
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: So and American sports had a big influence I think

673
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: on the caravan maybe to a certain degree. So yeah,

674
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: it's disappointing, but hopefully they can get back up there.

675
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the thing. I hope so too.

676
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: But it just feels like it's it's almost just too

677
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: far gone now because you know, you're just like, apart

678
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 3: from Chris Gail, they just don't have anyone and he's

679
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: obviously passed it as well now, but they just don't

680
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: have that draw card, you know, they don't have that

681
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: good Richards. They don't have their Curtly Ambrose. Like again,

682
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: watching highlights of that ninety five test, Curtly Bowling bounces

683
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: to you and then the shirt's undone and he's staring

684
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 3: at you, and you know, I know Steve tried to

685
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: fight him in Trindid that I think it was as well,

686
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah.

687
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't You're right, they don't have the big names.

688
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: I think the captain Jason Hole is about their best player,

689
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: and they've got a few young guys who have done

690
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: bits and pieces, but nothing of the caliber of the

691
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: years gone by. So I mean they really focus on

692
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: the short form T twenty World Cups, and then that

693
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: seems to be their bread and butter where the money is,

694
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: so that's where a lot of their players are focused on.

695
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: Unfortunately.

696
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 3: So in ninety nine, you guys went back there Steve's

697
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 3: first game, first series, I think as a as a

698
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: captain in fact, as a touring captain, and first Test

699
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: goes pretty much to plan. Australia wins. And then that

700
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 3: second Test was in Kingston, I believe it was, and

701
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 3: Brian Lara comes out and him and Jimmy Adams bat

702
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: for an entire day and Brian Lara plays one of

703
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 3: the most sublime innings I've ever seen, barely a false stroke.

704
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: He nearly got himself run out though actually on ninety

705
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 3: ninety survived, but he played. And the crowd, I mean,

706
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: that was a real throwback to those early nineties, late

707
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 3: eighties crowds. And what I want to ask you is is,

708
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: what's it like? How hard is it to keep your

709
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: concentration in a situation like that where Lara, I mean,

710
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: you know, McGrath's coming in a bowling and I think

711
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: McGill plot bold as well, and he's just hitting everyone everywhere,

712
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: all over the place. How hard is it to just

713
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: with the noise and the heat and the sounds and

714
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: that for you to be like, I've got to be

715
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: ready in case, in case the catch comes my way.

716
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: Well it's harder for the balls they've uncopying the stick.

717
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, as a player, and as it feels when,

718
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: I mean it's great, I mean, the atmosphere is unbelievable.

719
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: That's what you play for, you know, you slightly up

720
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: against it, and the crowd's against you, big crowd, the

721
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: great players batting beautifully.

722
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: I mean as a fellow opposition player.

723
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: You know, I don't quite seeing guys like Lara and

724
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: Viv Rich's mate runs against your Tim Dorka.

725
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: You know, they're the great players.

726
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, you quite enjoy it.

727
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: Obviously you want to get them out cheaply to win

728
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: the game.

729
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: But from a personal point of view, you know, it's

730
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: it's spectacular when you're watching that sort of classes player making.

731
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: Runs and the atmosphere.

732
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I love it when you're up against

733
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: it and the crowd's ripping into you. I mean that's

734
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, you look at look at sport now with

735
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: the COVID restrictions. Without a crowd, it's just so much different,

736
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: isn't it.

737
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 2: But no, that's what you play for.

738
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: You know, you play to obviously win those games, but

739
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, the opposition are too good, and when

740
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: Lara's on song, sometimes there's not much you can do

741
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: about except just, you know, sit back and watch it

742
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: and clap.

743
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: With it what he does.

744
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was McGill who threw a couple

745
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: of full tosses in there as well.

746
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: And it was just now into the grand stand that

747
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: was the Barbados was a great place to play.

748
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, good, good atmosphere, all those sorts of things.

749
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: I think there's a guy gets dressed up to every

750
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: every day and comes to the crowd and they sort

751
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: of he stands.

752
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: Up and they all applaud him.

753
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: And then there's a guy called Mayfair and Grat and Antiga,

754
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: they get dressed up and come into the into the

755
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: ground as well. So real characters, those Caribbean crowds and

756
00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: lots lots of fun.

757
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I imagine it wasn't. And again, I mean Lara

758
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 3: had another one hundred and fifty in that series, and

759
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: then he had another he had one hundred and I

760
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: think the Windies were four for one hundred and thirty

761
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: eight at one point. I mean it was a drawn series,

762
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: but one of those just incredible, like really good Test cricket.

763
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: That's what you sort of really missed with the Caribbean

764
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 3: with the West Indies because I just it's hard to

765
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 3: picture that coming back. It would be.

766
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: Sometime player pop out note.

767
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: But I remember Brian Lara when I first played against

768
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: West and he was twelfth man about.

769
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: Twenty Test matches in a row.

770
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was getting so frustrated and everyone was saying

771
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: what a great player he was, but he just had

772
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: to buy his time because there's so many great players

773
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: in front of him. But yeah, they need someone like

774
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: that to really revitalize cricket in the Caraban.

775
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: So that happened in ninety nine, and then a couple

776
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: of years later Australia was on the incredible run of

777
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,239
Speaker 3: victories and looked like we were going to win in

778
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: India for the first time in about thirty years as well.

779
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: Similar sort of situation. We're on top of them. Ten

780
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: Douka goes in that second innings and then and then

781
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: Lakshman and Raul Drava just that, I mean they batted forever.

782
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 2: You know.

783
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 3: Lashman that two hundred and eighty is again also one

784
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: of the most incredible innings I've ever seen because he

785
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 3: just it did not matter what the field was, who

786
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 3: was bowling, he just hit everything. You know, what was

787
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: it like for you? Again? I mean, I know these

788
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: are probably not great memories, but in terms of just

789
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 3: being in that situation where Australia had been on such

790
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: a dominant run and we were about to win in

791
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: a place that had been really tough to win in.

792
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 3: To go from that and then you know, like it

793
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 3: turned around in one day. Basically I did well.

794
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: We won the first Test ind when Bombard and then

795
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: the second Test was in Calcutta and Eden Gardens.

796
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 2: And we we've.

797
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: Pretty much the first couple of days. We dominated that

798
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: Test match. We made India follow on yep, and I

799
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: think it was a fair decision at the time by Steven.

800
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: It was just a free partnership between Laxman and Drava

801
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: which turned the game. We just couldn't get a wicket

802
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: and we bowled all day. I think I might have

803
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: been boiling Laxman got his hundred. I think I served

804
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: you up a nice full toss. Yeah, But I mean

805
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: that was just great play by India and once again

806
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: Calcutta even gardens. It might have been about eighty thousand people.

807
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: There was amazing atmosphere. So we lost the unlosable game there.

808
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: And then the last two Tests we had chance to

809
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: win those as well. Even the last Test in Madras,

810
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: I think India got the mate down. Yeah, And there

811
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: was a lot of close decisions that could have win

812
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: either way, and unfortunately they.

813
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: Went against us.

814
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: But that that series was one of the best to play,

815
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: and every Test match was so close and such high

816
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: quality that you know, we probably deserved to win that series,

817
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: to be honest.

818
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: You know, I think we didn't, but we didn't. So

819
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 2: that's that's that's the way it goes.

820
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean harbor Jan was just everything. He bowled

821
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,479
Speaker 3: just so you get thirty wickets. I think it's something crazy. Yeah,

822
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 3: And I think that was the first time Gilly really

823
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 3: struggled too, because Gilly had been batting so well, and

824
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: I think he had like, you know, four innings in

825
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: a row, he scored only two runs or something like that.

826
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 3: He just got He got a.

827
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 2: Couple of rough decisions though, I remember, yeah, shocker.

828
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a couple of LB's. But Punter struggled

829
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: as well with the spinners there and yeah, I mean

830
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: it was just again yeah, that that that that atmosphere

831
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: because you say eighty thousand. I remember I think it

832
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: was Tim Lane on the broadcast saying like there were

833
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: no turnstiles though there, so like they just kind of

834
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: like they just decide, all right, you know there's about Yeah,

835
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 3: there's about eighty thousand in there, so let's go.

836
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

837
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean the conditions in India in those days, the

838
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: pictures weren't too bad.

839
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 2: But when you first go and that's when it's so tough.

840
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: You need a bit of luck early on, when the

841
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: bulls spinning your men around, the bat the crowds roaring,

842
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: the bowls of fizzing, the umpires in the game.

843
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: You know, that's when it's so difficult.

844
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: If you can get through the first half an hour,

845
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: you know, batting is okay, but those.

846
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: First half you know, first does not say deliveries. You

847
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: need a bit of luck, you really do.

848
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: And it's quite often that's why there's so many low

849
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: scores that were so tough when you first go in.

850
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: Well, let's go back to when you did very first

851
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 3: go in for Australia in ninety one in Adelaide. There

852
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: you'd had a long wait to get into the Test team,

853
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: and you know, under very unusual circumstances, you replace your

854
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 3: brother in that lineup. But then you just go out

855
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: there and a stroker a hundred, as if you know

856
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 3: you're just playing backyard cricket again with the kids. I remember, yeah,

857
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 3: take you took your helmet off, and you know, Roger

858
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: Feder whenever Roger Federer wins a Grand Slam, it looks

859
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 3: like he's barely sweating. You took your helmet off as

860
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 3: if it was like the easiest run in the park.

861
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 3: I mean, how much did it help you being a

862
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: little bit older, a bit more mature, and having to

863
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 3: sort of buy your time so much, but also getting

864
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: a taste playing for Australia in the One day Games.

865
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: Were you just so ready that for that moment in

866
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: Adelaide in ninety one?

867
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I thought I was ready four months earlier.

868
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: But we'll say I was perfect timing. But I think

869
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: the main thing was I was in really good form.

870
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: I'd scored about three thousand first class runs that season

871
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: if you count my counting cricket with Essex, so I

872
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: was really in a rich vane in the form I

873
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: think playing England as well. I played against a lot

874
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: of those guys in county cricket. I knew a lot

875
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: of them, so I was quite comfortable playing against England

876
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: and also batting at Adelaide Ale as a batsmen. That's

877
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: probably know one of your ideal scenarios to make a

878
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: taboot Test match, you know, on a good batting track.

879
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: We'd lost early wickets in that particular day, I think

880
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: three or four early ones. The hardest bit was batting

881
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: with Greg Matthews. To be honest, it nearly run me

882
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: out about one hundred times. That was the hardest bit

883
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: of the innings. But as far as my own batting,

884
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: it was I was sort of just in the zone.

885
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't think I hardly miss hit

886
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: a ball, which doesn't happen too often, but that's happened

887
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: that day.

888
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 2: And I was just cruising, really just in the zone.

889
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: I don't know how I got into the zone, but

890
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: I wish.

891
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: I got in there a few more times because it

892
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: was just just like automatic, you know, automatic pilot really

893
00:38:59,360 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: the way I played.

894
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was it was. It was incredible

895
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: to watch and you know, obviously that sort of really

896
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 3: put you in the team. But then you did have

897
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: some rough patches after that, not long after that, and

898
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: and you know, this is what I really was asking

899
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: because in the nineties, in the early nineties, Australia had

900
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: really good depth that mid mid sort of positions in

901
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 3: the in the Australian team. Guys like Damien Martin, you know,

902
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 3: blew At, buff Lehman, Michael Bevn, Stuart Law, Jamie Cox.

903
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: I mean, all these guys were making a ton of

904
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: runs and a couple of them did get a chance,

905
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: you know, Marto got a chance for Australia there, Greg Blewett.

906
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: I think Greg Blewett made a century in both his

907
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: first two Tests and he made that double down in

908
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: Johannesburg too. But did you feel, you know, were you

909
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 3: looking over your shoulder a bit there when you had

910
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: a bit of a rough patch here and there, because

911
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: it was such a pool of talent we.

912
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: Had not really, I mean I must have been. When

913
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: I got dropped out.

914
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: I was pretty surprised because I deboot against England, did

915
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: well and those tests went to the West Indies well

916
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: over there, came back home. I think I had two

917
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: or three Test matches against India. I I've got a

918
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: couple of bad decisions too, but I was actually batting

919
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: pretty well, so I mean, I must admit I was

920
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: surprised I got dropped considering the start of my test

921
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: career and I wasn't that long into my test career,

922
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: so I don't know who the bloody selectors were. They

923
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: had no idea dropping me, But I must admit I

924
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: was pretty surprised when I got dropped. But you know,

925
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: these things happen.

926
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: You're right. There was a good a lot of depth.

927
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: In the Australian squad at that time. I think myself

928
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: and Jeff Marsh got dropped in the same Test match,

929
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: and Tom Murdy and a guy called Wayne Phillips I

930
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: think from Victoria came in and took out spots.

931
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think we had five Victorians in the

932
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 3: team at that point because it was a bit of

933
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 3: a bit of a flex of the muscles from the Victorians.

934
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: We had Phillips, Dean Jones, Merv Warny was probably in

935
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 3: the team and maybe Tony Dotta made as well.

936
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: That was the problem. Five Victorians should have been eight,

937
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: you South Welshman.

938
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: Looks. I was a bit surprised that I dropped. But anyway,

939
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: these things happened, and you know you just got to

940
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: go back and score runs and get back in so.

941
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 3: And you did that, and then the tour in ninety

942
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 3: three of England was another very good tour for you

943
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: in general. I want to I want to take you

944
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 3: though to a moment that you know, probably a bittersweet

945
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 3: moment at Lord's. You were you were, you were batting

946
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: along just effortlessly there and then Phil Tufnel comes in

947
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 3: and he just gets one that sort of comes off

948
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 3: your pads and onto the stumps ninety nine at Lord's.

949
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: I mean that one's probably got to hurt a little

950
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: bit now, still, does it. I mean, yeah, it hurt.

951
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: A bit, particularly the way I got out. As you say,

952
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 2: it's litl tough.

953
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: One was bowling over the wicket, didn't bowl a particularly

954
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: good ball, and I just tried to flick it through

955
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: the on side to get a single.

956
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: Earlier in the over I did the same, hit it

957
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: really well.

958
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: And hit Robin Swift shin pads and costly getting the single.

959
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: So I just tried to do the same shot unfortunately

960
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: missed it, hit my pads, went through my legs onto

961
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: the stuff. So yeah, that's that, especially at Lords and

962
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: getting it getting a ninety nine and any Test match,

963
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: but particularly at the home of cricket.

964
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, well annoying.

965
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 3: If it's any consolation, was it was my dead night

966
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 3: that night. I was in year twelve and I had

967
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: a bet with one of my friends that you were

968
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: going to make a hundred at Lords, and so we

969
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: were out the back watching it and I'm just starting

970
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: to count my money. I had a hundred bucks on

971
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 3: it here. Anyway, the girls were looking for us, like

972
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: where are the boys that we were supposed to be

973
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: doing some dances? We're out the back, you know. Then

974
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Yeah, well not only did I

975
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 3: lose the hundred bucks, and then I think I lost

976
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 3: my girlfriend as well that night.

977
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I was the only one of the top

978
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: four that didn't make a hundred in that particular, so yeah.

979
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: Let the team down and yeah as well, sorry about that.

980
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: Fortunately I recovered from it. But it was one of

981
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: those funny moments where I was like because because again

982
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: it would reminded me of Adelaide. It was like you

983
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 3: were just scoring so easily, you know, and I know

984
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 3: that's that's one of the sort of things that that

985
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: that followed your career. People said, well, you know, Mark,

986
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 3: Mark's too casual out there. But you know, it wasn't that.

987
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 3: I know that. I know I've read a lot and

988
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 3: heard a lot about you. Like it was just the

989
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: way that the game came to you. And and and

990
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: I think I think a part of it was that

991
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 3: it looked like you were sometimes halfway through a stroke

992
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: before the bowl had even delivered the ball, especially off

993
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: your pads there. But you know what what was it

994
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 3: like for you hearing that sort of stuff and and

995
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 3: and you know, having to sort of be like, you know,

996
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 3: that's that's I'm not casual.

997
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 2: I care.

998
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: It means so much to me, you know, I mean

999
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: it must be. It just must be a special especially

1000
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: when Steve had the opposite sort of reputation of like,

1001
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: you know, he's going to just bat until you know

1002
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: you almost have to shoot him to get him out.

1003
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: You know, well, I mean, it's it's just it's just

1004
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: your style. Everyone looks plays in a different way.

1005
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: And obviously, you know when you when your style is

1006
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: a bit casual, looking like a day of a gower

1007
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: or it wasn't you get out, people think, oh, that's

1008
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: just a lazy shot, and you know you don't care,

1009
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: but that's just the way.

1010
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: It's just the way you play, and you get labeled

1011
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: that in your career, it's hard to shake the label.

1012
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Steven was jobs that he got label as

1013
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: being dodgy in Yeah, that used to annoy him. He

1014
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: used to think he was a bit more flamboyant than

1015
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 1: what he was given credit for. I mean, the only

1016
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: thing I would change if I look back in my

1017
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: career was when I got to one hundred. You know,

1018
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: I often got out got one hundred and twenty and

1019
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: got out right because I thought God was done.

1020
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 2: But you know, if I went back.

1021
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: In time, I'd really nail those hundreds into two hundreds

1022
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: or big hundreds.

1023
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: So that was the only thing that I let myself down.

1024
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 4: But if I thought the game was in control or

1025
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 4: the inning was in control, and I'd got one hundred,

1026
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 4: I'd subconsciously I just seemed to get out for some

1027
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 4: which was a bit frustrating looking back, But that's the

1028
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 4: way I played.

1029
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: But it certainly wasn't any easier to me than any

1030
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: other player. When you're batting, it's it's just your style.

1031
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: It's just the way you come across to other people.

1032
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: Well, you made twenty Test centuries. About fifteen times when

1033
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 3: you scored a century, Australia won the match and there

1034
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 3: was four draws. There was only one time where you

1035
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: scored a century and Australia lost the match. Any idea

1036
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: which one it was?

1037
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 2: You got? Mem No, no, I can't remember.

1038
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: Well against Pakistan he had one hundred and sixteen. I

1039
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 3: think it was in Sydney actually, about nineteen ninety six.

1040
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, what the rest of the other blakes did,

1041
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: Let me check?

1042
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 3: I did it. I did have it up here before.

1043
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: That's New Zealand. That's that New Zealand's here. I've got

1044
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: about a million tabs. He's still open.

1045
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 2: From from the other blikes. I did my part.

1046
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well it was it was a good century.

1047
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 3: But that was well, that was up against you know,

1048
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: was in Acram of course and Whaka Units. I mean

1049
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 3: those guys as well, like it was him, especially being

1050
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: the lefty. I mean, I'm guessing he was probably the

1051
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 3: toughest you know, non right handed that you had to

1052
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 3: face throughout your career with that.

1053
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: You're right, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. He's one of

1054
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: the finest bowlers. Too quick, you could swing the ball,

1055
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: had a short run up. He was hard to pick up,

1056
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, he had a quick arm action. He'd often

1057
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: run behind the umpire then jump out at the last minute.

1058
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: He had all the skills. So he was fantastic. And

1059
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: wacker Yeness was as well. He bowled quick, he was nasty.

1060
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: He could swing it as well. So they always almost

1061
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: ran off each other. Bit of a competition between each

1062
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: other so you could get the most wickets. So there

1063
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 1: are two fantastic bowlers, to be honest.

1064
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And and was him. I mean, I know

1065
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 3: my Slat's got one hundred against Brisbane against the Pakistan

1066
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 3: But but Slats seemed to really struggle against wasn't with

1067
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: that late sort of in swing. I mean you probably

1068
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 3: wouldn't have went on the ground at the same time then,

1069
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: but did you. Sometimes when you're in the box there

1070
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: like going, this guy is not going to make it today.

1071
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 3: He just can't play this guy. I mean, I know

1072
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 3: b Louie struggled with like mushtak arm At as well,

1073
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: you know, with those those revert or the googles. I

1074
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 3: guess he was bowling to. I mean that is that

1075
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 3: something in the dressing room there you're like, just don't

1076
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: like this guy's chances against this player.

1077
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: Not really, I mean no, I mean you get a

1078
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: feel if Blakes are in and out of form.

1079
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: There's about that. Everybody goes through it.

1080
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: So if it's not you know, it's if it's not

1081
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: yourself struggling, it's going to be someone else.

1082
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you've got six batsmen in the team.

1083
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: It's very rare that they're all in form at the

1084
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: one time, so there's always one or two guys that

1085
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: are struggling on tools or in Australia. So yeah, I

1086
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: mean you do get a feeling for it, but you

1087
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: certainly just hope for the best for them and then

1088
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: try and help them out in the nets or whatever

1089
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: if they're.

1090
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: Feeling a bit down. But that's where you need a

1091
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: good team.

1092
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: So you can't all be doing well at the one time,

1093
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: but if you're a good side, you can carry players

1094
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: for are a little bit out of form.

1095
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, obviously you spend a lot of

1096
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 3: your career playing with Steve. How did it change, did

1097
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: your relationship change it or when he became captain, I mean,

1098
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 3: did you have to sort of Yeah, I know, you know,

1099
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: you just kept going as normal. I mean, what about

1100
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 3: when he made everyone wear the bag of green caps

1101
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 3: because you were you were the broad brimmed guy. I mean,

1102
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 3: did that cause any tension there?

1103
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: No, not really know, it's our relationship didn't change once

1104
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 2: you was captain. Not really.

1105
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: No, he's but I'm just one of the team and

1106
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: Stephan's one of the other team members as well.

1107
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: That's the way you got to play.

1108
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: You're not going to get any every favors off of

1109
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: your brother and you don't expect them, and yeah, so

1110
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: you just treat each other as another team member, and

1111
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: that's that's the best way to keep it. Obviously you

1112
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: have those extra feelings being you know, brothers and whatever,

1113
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, you just you just you're just playing just

1114
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: one of the one of the team members, and that's

1115
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: the best way.

1116
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: To keep it.

1117
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: I think. Well, Mark, listen, you're being very generous with

1118
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 3: your time here, so I'm going to wrap it up here.

1119
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: But before we go, I've just got one more question

1120
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: for you, and it's completely off the cricket field. It's

1121
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 3: back to the horses, because I know you're obviously a

1122
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 3: big horse racing fan there, Yeah, and I had Bruce

1123
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: mcavany on this pod last year, and obviously he's a

1124
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 3: huge horse racing fan as well, and so I pitched

1125
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 3: this fictional race to him, and I want to pitch

1126
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: it to you just to see who you think would win.

1127
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 3: So imagine this. It's a Saturday afternoon at rose Hill,

1128
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: beautiful day, good training races over fourteen hundred meters, and

1129
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 3: we've got Winks versus Black Caviat. I don't know if

1130
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 3: you remember the Super Challenge back in ninety one ninety two.

1131
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 3: Let's a lopen better, loosen up, but it's it's basically

1132
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 3: that in a fictitious manner. Okay, we've got Luke Nolan

1133
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 3: on board Black Caviar, Hugh Bowman on Winks. Of course. Now,

1134
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: before I pitched it to Bruce, I asked a friend

1135
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 3: of mine who's a big punch as well. I said,

1136
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 3: you give me some give me some mids, give me

1137
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 3: some money lines here for this, and he's like, well.

1138
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 3: He says that the distance favored Black Caviat cave a sprinter,

1139
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 3: but Winks needed another furlong or two. So he put

1140
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 3: Black Caviar at a dollar seventy and Winks at two twenty.

1141
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: So if Mark War's got a few, he's found five

1142
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: bucks down the back of the couch and he can

1143
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 3: throw it on. Where's it going? Where's the money going?

1144
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: Oh? Geeza, great horses. I think fourteen hundred round Rose Hill.

1145
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: I think Black Caviar would lead and just have too

1146
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: much dash for Winks. Winks would be winding up in

1147
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: the last one hundred meters, but Black Caviart would just

1148
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 1: hang on and win at a dollar seventy.

1149
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 3: So Black Caviar just so you would have had a

1150
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: few winnings them that day if that race was to happen.

1151
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I've read it. But yeah, now I've

1152
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: been involved in horse racing all my life. Obviously, my

1153
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: wife's a well established trainer. We have a farm on

1154
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: the Central Coase where we spell our own horses. So

1155
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: there's forty odd horses on the farm, so horses in

1156
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: the backyard out here and I'm looking at the back.

1157
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 1: It's just a huge part of my life. Obviously, cricket

1158
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: with the commentary still there Fox Sports, but horse racing

1159
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: is huge for us. We own a lot of horses.

1160
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: Kim trains a lot of horses. She's had great success

1161
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: so it's pretty exciting. I mean, I don't have the

1162
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: adrenaline rush of playing top level sport anymore, but I

1163
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: have the adrenaline rush of horses racing and big races,

1164
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: and it's a big thrill actually if you have some success.

1165
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess you know, when you're touring England

1166
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 3: or you know, anywhere, really if there's horse racers, that

1167
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 3: gives you a little bit of an opportunity to know.

1168
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 3: But I mean, you know, when you're when you're on tour,

1169
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 3: I imagine that sometimes it gets a little bit tough

1170
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 3: when you're like you're bit home seeing or whatever, and

1171
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: you know, to be at to had something that's another

1172
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: passionate yours nearby, I imagine that's a lot of fun,

1173
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 3: especially if you're at a royal Ascot, you know, have

1174
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 3: some derby wherever. Well.

1175
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of racecourses overseas on cricket tours

1176
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: we're all Ascot, but Barbados in the West and it's

1177
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: one of.

1178
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 2: My favorite racecourses to go to.

1179
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: Actually, the Barbados Cup was on there a number of

1180
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: times when we're doing so.

1181
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 2: I've been the racecourses.

1182
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: There, India, England, New Zealander's not a racecourse. I haven't

1183
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: been doing it in another country. Ricky pining his nicknames punters.

1184
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: He was always keen on the races as well, so

1185
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: it was always always a good, a good way to

1186
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: stop thinking about the cricket.

1187
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the big greyhound man. Was it a punter, Yeah,

1188
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: he had.

1189
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: He's had a few horses too, He's had a few

1190
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: horses my wife's training. He's had shares in so he's

1191
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: an all rounder. He loves grounds and the thoroughbreds as well.

1192
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 3: I hope you're getting a commission off those that he's investing.

1193
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: There is the Kentucky Derby or any of the US

1194
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 3: horses at all on you on your radar? I mean

1195
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 3: obviously not right now things things aren't great, but yeah,

1196
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 3: at some point.

1197
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, would love to come to the Kentucky Derby.

1198
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: So it's definitely on the to do list when we

1199
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: can get out of our own country.

1200
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think Kentucky's a beautiful

1201
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: part of the world.

1202
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: A lot of the studs up there, and obviously the

1203
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: Kentucky Derby, so yeah, definitely want to get there one day.

1204
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: All right, Well, Mark, this has been fantastic. Thank you

1205
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 3: so much for your time. I've really enjoyed talking to

1206
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 3: you about so many fantastic moments in your career. And

1207
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 3: and look hopefully, yeah you can. You can get out

1208
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 3: and get over to the Kentucky Derby and you know,

1209
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 3: back a few winners from there one day.

1210
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: All right, good to talk to you, Mary, have loost

1211
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 2: my voice now. I've talken so much.

1212
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: Thanks Mark, every day, Thank you, happy every man.

1213
00:52:54,200 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: It's done so long, that happened already. It's gonna be

1214
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: good me