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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to steff

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Speaker 1: I never told you production of iHeartRadio, and.

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Speaker 2: We are coming back with an additional episode of women's

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Speaker 2: magazines and Dot Dot Dot because well, I have elongated

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Speaker 2: once again a very wide broad subject into several episodes.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to be the same amount as religious

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Speaker 2: trauma episode. Thank god, it's not going to be twenty thousand.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm going to keep it at a succinct three, okay,

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Speaker 2: because I have topics in mind, and with that, if

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Speaker 2: you haven't already, we would suggest going back to our

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Speaker 2: earlier episode on the history of women's magazines, because we

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Speaker 2: kind of break it down on how it began, what

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Speaker 2: it looked like, all of that, and even the problems

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Speaker 2: back then. Because for today, we are talking about the

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Speaker 2: state of women's magazines slash publications today, and I do

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Speaker 2: see publications because obviously they're like the handheld copy of

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Speaker 2: going to see digital, which, funny enough, I kept running

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Speaker 2: into paywalls because I need to call somebody about that

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Speaker 2: because that was an issue anyway. Yeah, Annie, did you

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Speaker 2: have do you have currently or did you have at

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Speaker 2: any point a favorite magazine or did you even have

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Speaker 2: a subscription.

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Speaker 1: I looked this up because I knew we were going

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Speaker 1: to be talking about this. I didn't have a subscription.

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Speaker 1: I bought entertainment weekly, not infrequently if it was a

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Speaker 1: movie or a celebrity I like. I had a subscription

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Speaker 1: to Disney Adventures, which was kind of a small magazine format.

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Speaker 1: You're not seeing what I can do, but like imagine,

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Speaker 1: size wise, most magazines are like eight by eleven.

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Speaker 3: This one was sort of a third of that.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's probably way off, but it was smaller, and

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Speaker 1: I think I got it. I originally subscribed to it

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Speaker 1: because I loved the Ulsen twins and they were somehow

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Speaker 1: they were featured in it quite frequently. But I remember

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Speaker 1: very vividly, and I don't know if we're going to

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Speaker 1: Ryan Gosling was on the cover one time as young Hercules,

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Speaker 1: and I had the cover. I took out like all

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Speaker 1: the relevant pages and saved them. But it wasn't him.

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Speaker 1: That's that's not why I started subscribing. It wasn't him,

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Speaker 1: But I did save all of those and I remember

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Speaker 1: the cover.

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Speaker 3: So clear now.

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Speaker 1: I mean we do use a lot of magazines for work.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm still in the same, Like, if it's

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Speaker 1: like a Star Wars magazine, I'll it. I went through

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Speaker 1: a big I think Entertainment Weekly is pretty like it's

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Speaker 1: been the same. I have a lot of friends who

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Speaker 1: like seventeen, I went through a Time magazine period.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more like if I see something like, oh

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Speaker 1: I really want that, it's less about a subscription thing, right.

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Speaker 2: I remember Time magazine covers like nobody's business. For some reasons,

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Speaker 2: those stand out. Kudos to the art director and the

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Speaker 2: photographers because they would do their thing to make sure

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Speaker 2: they would stand out. But then, like, I never had

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Speaker 2: would just go through the magazines and then like talk

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Speaker 2: about them. I want to say, like, I was really

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Speaker 2: into music more so than anything else. I remember distinctly

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Speaker 2: so I remember seeing them a lot. But I never

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Speaker 2: really had any magazines. Again, my mother had Southern living

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Speaker 2: in her house, and I think she had good housekeeping

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Speaker 2: were fundraising subscriptions.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: What I'm talking about. Like I remember, like that used

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Speaker 2: wrapping paper as school fundraisers. But also you could buy

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Speaker 2: subscriptions of magazines for a good deal, seventeen dollars for

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Speaker 2: a year subscription, so that's twelve magazines.

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Speaker 1: I brought this back a stressful memory that I'd forgotten

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Speaker 1: because I was one of the kids that would try

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Speaker 3: a failure. I can't sell anything.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, there was this episode. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if anybody watched Parenthood at any point in time. They

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Speaker 2: I remember thinking that was a thing. The parents would

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Speaker 2: this anyway? Wow, that's just yeah, on the whole tangent

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Speaker 2: on that one. But yeah, subscription magazines were a thing

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Speaker 2: It was a racket, and now it kind of has

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Speaker 2: become a whole different thing with the digital world and

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Speaker 2: print may be dying. Slash kind of is we all

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Speaker 2: love it somehow. But with that some context, now that

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Speaker 2: we're actually talking about magazines, y'all, before we begin, we

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Speaker 2: are going to be talking about body and fat shaming

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Speaker 2: as well as body dysmorphia and sexual content in this episode,

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Speaker 2: So Happy Valentine's Day well ahead of time. Also, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of backlash that came out against women's magazines

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Speaker 2: not too long ago. The other there was a whole

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Speaker 2: reckoning in like two thousand and twenty ten. Uh. But

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Speaker 2: also a lot of our information comes from then, so

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Speaker 2: it is fairly dated. Like I said, it looks like

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Speaker 2: more people were likely to look into how the magazines

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Speaker 2: have become or can become more feminists or empowering. So

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Speaker 2: that's good and that's more recent, but in like the

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Speaker 2: late nineties. Also we have some articles from the late nineties,

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Speaker 2: so yeah, this is pretty dated nineties, early two thousands

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: So just that heads up. I think they still hold

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Speaker 2: up because the same argument is repeating itself, and there

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Speaker 2: when it comes to like teen stuff, it may be interchangeable.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the research that we saw from like

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Speaker 2: all have a problem. So it's good to see that

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Speaker 2: that happened. It's sad to see it's still happening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ignore right now.

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Speaker 1: A lot of when I'm checking out the grocery store,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the times, all kind of magazines, I'm like, wow, still.

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Speaker 2: Okay, y'all, there's the cabbage diet. Cabbage soup diet is

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Speaker 2: still really big, apparently because I love cabbage soup. I

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Speaker 2: don't do it for that sake, but I would try

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Speaker 2: I was like, what, I just like cabbage soup. What's

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Speaker 2: happening anyway? Yeah, and it's something to note that the

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Speaker 2: print in itself has faded and moved towards digital or online,

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Speaker 2: and we'll probably talk about that in the last episode.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say the next one is the last episode.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to convince yourself it's.

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Speaker 2: Going to happen. I've narrowed it down to the two

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, we'll see, we'll see. I would also say,

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Speaker 1: go check out our episode we did on fanzines because

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Speaker 1: we did talk about some of this stuff in there.

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Speaker 1: Yes as well, but yes, okay, women's magazines today there are. Yes,

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Speaker 1: a lot of women's magazines still and according to the

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Speaker 1: Library of Congress, they estimate quote more than seventy five

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Speaker 1: thousand periodicals are published each year in the United States

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Speaker 1: and Canada alone, and that number swells to over one

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five thousand worldwide. Consumer magazines alone account

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Speaker 1: for more than twenty thousand North American titles. Women's magazines

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Speaker 1: have consistently ranked in the top ten magazine categories. Of course,

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Speaker 1: this includes all the different types of magazines and the

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Speaker 1: articles from twenty twenty three, so the numbers are not

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Speaker 3: I would say it's still pretty close twenty.

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Speaker 2: Two eight, yeah, three, ten years ago or a month ago.

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Speaker 2: We are going to kind of just delve into this

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Speaker 2: ugly side of women's magazine. So, like we said earlier,

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Speaker 2: the women's magazine industry has already had some shakeups and

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Speaker 2: women overall. And we mentioned this later, but yes, this

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Speaker 2: is all cis heteronormative. Just go ahead and put that there. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately we will kind of dapple into it, but not really.

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Speaker 2: So this is the way they focus it is making sure,

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Speaker 2: what we think so but this is how it's going

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Speaker 2: to come out. But again, we can't ignore the massive

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Speaker 2: specifically when it came to body image, which quickly became

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Speaker 2: a moneymaker for I think all of the magazine is

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Speaker 2: not many, I think all of them. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In fact, according to a thesis done by Jamie S.

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Speaker 1: Nobles from the University of Southern Mississippi in twenty fourteen

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Speaker 1: discussing the depiction of women's body image and magazines from

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Speaker 1: talks about how advertisements within magazines changed over the years

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Speaker 1: Here's a quote. The hypothesis stated that the depictions of

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Speaker 1: women would shift from curvy to thin women, but most

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Speaker 1: of voluptuousness. There were fewer depictions of full figured women

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Speaker 1: with sixty six of the advertisement scene as healthy athletic build.

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Speaker 2: Okay, of course, as voluptuous and curvy as Marilyn Monroe was,

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Speaker 2: In fact, her waist size would have been more like

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Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, you know there's been cultures where I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: It is a pervasive force that permeates various aspects of

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Speaker 1: our lives, from media portrayals of ideal bodies to the

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Speaker 1: messages we receive from friends, family, and even healthcare professionals.

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Speaker 1: Diet culture often emphasizes the importance of adhering to strict

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Speaker 1: eating regimens, promoting quick fixes, and advocating for the thin ideal.

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Speaker 1: It's based on fallacies like one food is better than another,

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Speaker 1: People who are thin are healthier, people who are thin

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Speaker 1: or more attractive. Higher weight bodies are a result of

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Speaker 1: poor health choices. Individuals have full control over their health

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Speaker 1: and appearance right.

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Speaker 2: And in that article it talks about health ism, which

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Speaker 2: is this narrative which a lot of healthcare professionals have done,

446
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: which blame everything on being overweight and ignoring the actual

447
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: health and problems, and it is anti obviously. There was

448
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Speaker 2: an interesting TikTok video too of this young young baby

449
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 2: girl who calls herself a life coach saying that tomatoes

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Speaker 2: make you fat. That was it and she I think

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00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: was trying to say when she was apologizing later on

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Speaker 2: was everybody went after her, was that it hurts her

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Speaker 2: stomach and because of the ascid and they're like, that's

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Speaker 2: completely different. That is completely different from they make you fat. Okay,

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00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: calm down. But yeah, so with that, I mean it's

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Speaker 2: it's cultures like this that feed into that kind of narrative.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, this culture literally demonizes fatness. And again this

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Speaker 2: is from the National Alliance. With this connection to Christianity

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Speaker 2: and morality, which we didn't talk about. We did kind

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Speaker 2: of talk about being the perfect housewife. That means having

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Speaker 2: the perfect body. The thought is the whole keeping the

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Speaker 2: body clean and holy or keeping it yeah, and keeping

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Speaker 2: it tight for your spouse like they meant to you

464
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: can't be getting that pot belly. I've heard that said.

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Speaker 2: Literally a pastor, a preacher like his last name is Graham,

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Speaker 2: apparently he's there is the founder of Grant.

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Speaker 3: Dont on this whole subject, oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: But he was one of those that preached this idea

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Speaker 2: that our body and being skipping a meal is for God.

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Speaker 2: Of course we didn't talk about this in the ruligious

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Speaker 2: trauma God I just haunts me, I swear. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: the idea of fascinating which wasn't holy idea for sure,

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Speaker 2: but is used by many people to lose weight.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and we have discussed this before. This is

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Speaker 1: ingrained in our culture to a point that I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people don't realize. We've had listeners write

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Speaker 1: in and be like you were saying something terrible like

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Speaker 1: people should lose weight, Like okay, but just real quickly,

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Speaker 1: Graham created Graham crackers to like stop people from masturbating.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and he told me does yeah.

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Speaker 1: And now he hated sugar and he basically thought you

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Speaker 1: should like not experience food really if you really sin,

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Speaker 1: it was a moral issue.

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Speaker 3: And now grabcrackers.

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Speaker 1: I'm so much sugar in them, and it gives me joy.

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Speaker 2: I wonder what his family thinks of that legacy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if they're getting the money, they probably don't care.

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Speaker 2: I mean, but like, are they ashamed of that legacy

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Speaker 2: or are they what I mean, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 1: And it's also like you know, I do get joy

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Speaker 1: out of it, but it is we also have a

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Speaker 1: kind of whole issue with sugar in this country and

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Speaker 1: what's added, so you know, but it does give me

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Speaker 1: joy that he's like in his grave.

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Speaker 2: Different conversation, But f y about Graham crackers, because what

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Speaker 2: do we do but go on tangents. In the first rate,

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Speaker 2: my teacher, who was one of my favorite teachers, would

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Speaker 2: have us give us graand crackers and then give us

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Speaker 2: frosting and let us cover it with frosting and candy,

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00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: and that would be our snack. And boy did I

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Speaker 2: frost both sides.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you use it to build gingerbread houses.

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Speaker 2: And it's great, it's true, but I remember that snack

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00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: like nobody's business, thanks miss right. And with that, this

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00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: this diet culture actually supports system of oppression. So when

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Speaker 2: we say where it is anti I mean it's anti uh,

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00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: it is anti black. And we've talked about it before,

509
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: how this movement, how uh, the fat phobia is real

510
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: racist ideals, especially when it comes to oppressing people and

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Speaker 2: who it oppresses and how they use it against people

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Speaker 2: of color, specifically black people. It holds up the patriarchy

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Speaker 2: because once again, this is for the sake of men,

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00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: oftentimes the way you look, especially when we talk about

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Speaker 2: looking your best for your husband, for this, for your

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Speaker 2: for your next day, for prom all recipes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And then it reinforces once again the idea of thin privilege,

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00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: which exists. And people may say, like we talked about

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Speaker 2: have we ever talked about pretty privilege and thin privilege?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Again, it's a weird thing though, because I know we

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Speaker 1: talked about it on the video series.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Okay, Okay, maybe we need to come back,

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00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: because that's like it keeps coming back around in that

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Speaker 2: conversation about who gets what and why and who gets

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Speaker 2: the raises and who who gets hired? And these are

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Speaker 2: those conversations. Yeah, and it's an industry that has made

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Speaker 2: billions of dollars on things that don't work or that

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00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: don't last and are not realistic, and uses your insecurities

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Speaker 2: based on what society dictates to you is good or

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Speaker 2: is the best?

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Speaker 1: Yes, and it's It can be heartbreaking when you know

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Speaker 1: someone who's doing it and they're like eating this one

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Speaker 1: food and they'll tell you, like, I've heard this one

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Speaker 1: will work.

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Speaker 2: Right according to this magazine. I got these recipes and

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Speaker 2: I'm going to stick to it. Yeah, two almonds for breakfast,

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00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: and I'm like that measuring stuff.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Oh my god, Oh my god, and the alliance

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Speaker 1: ends with quote. This diet culture fosters negative body image,

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00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: and it perpetuates unrealistic beauty standards and a serious weight stigma.

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00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: This toxic mindset contributes to body dissatisfaction and low self esteem. Additionally,

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Speaker 1: diet culture significantly increases the risk of developing eating disorders,

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Speaker 1: as the obsession with food restriction and control can trigger

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Speaker 1: disordered eating patterns and severe psychological distress. The harmful impact

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Speaker 1: of diet culture on both short term well being and

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Speaker 1: long term mental and physical health is the stark reminder

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Speaker 1: of the urgent need to challenge and dismantle this harmful ideology.

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Speaker 2: Right, So, yes, that's not necessarily about magazines, but just

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Speaker 2: the reason why we think this is probably and even

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Speaker 2: though it seems harmless to have five exercises to tone

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Speaker 2: up your abs. It does contribute to this culture. So

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Speaker 2: just as a reminder, be careful. Oh and with all

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Speaker 2: that out of the way, let's talk about how magazines

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Speaker 2: in general have really really influenced women in sex and

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Speaker 2: the different ideas. Yes, again, if you're hanging out with

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Speaker 2: kids on this one, we're gonna read some things. I

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Speaker 2: think it might make you blush.

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Speaker 1: Annie, I'm like pre blushing just thinking about it.

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Speaker 3: So I believe you're right.

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Speaker 2: So FYI, you might want to pause and take the

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Speaker 2: young one out or put EarPods in, however you need to.

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Speaker 2: And I have to admit that, as someone who lived

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Speaker 2: in the world of purity culture, I believed in it.

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Speaker 3: Y'all.

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Speaker 2: Annie, I didn't tell you this. My mother brought over

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Speaker 2: a tubfull of my childhood things. She's moving me out officially,

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Speaker 2: for real, for real. You've got a house. Taking this right,

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00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: and in it on the top, I find a certificate.

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Speaker 2: It says marriage certificate, and it is my marriage certificate

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Speaker 2: to Jesus WHOA So when I say when I say

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Speaker 2: I was in that culture and it is pristinely kept,

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Speaker 2: my mother made sure that it was kept all perfect

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Speaker 2: on top, unlike unlike me living in sin today, which

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Speaker 2: she has accepted and loves my partner. But anyway, when

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Speaker 2: I say yes, I lived in that purity culture, I

578
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: honestly didn't know much about sex until probably late twenties.

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Speaker 2: And though of course I understood the general concept. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I have seen things. I've seen movies. I would often

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Speaker 2: turn to different magazines like Cosmo, like Glamour, Red Book

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Speaker 2: and even seventeen to find out what men liked. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: those those got me. Those articles got me. If I

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Speaker 2: had a question about oral sex, I would often see

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Speaker 2: an article and in those magazines, and I would try

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Speaker 2: to take as many notes as possible. Annie, Yes, I

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00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: heard did like, oh you do this and that, and

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00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: that's why that seems weird. But okay whatever, And I

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Speaker 2: know I'm not the only one because that sold. I

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Speaker 2: will say that that like we might have hidden in

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Speaker 2: and we might have giggled and not said it out loud,

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00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: but we sure did read it from relationship advice on

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Speaker 2: how to keep a man wanting more. Magazines were a

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Speaker 2: reference source for so many, so many women. In fact,

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Speaker 2: magazines are often how young people would educate themselves on

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Speaker 2: those embarrassing or even panicked situations. Margaret Singer was actually

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Speaker 2: arrested in nineteen fourteen for her book, but also for

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Speaker 2: her articles in The New York Call that covered topics

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Speaker 2: of sex, birth control, and STIs for so many people

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Speaker 2: who desperately needed that information.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And later in nineteen sixty, after the debut of the

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Speaker 1: Playboy magazine, which is a whole different conversation, the magazine

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Speaker 1: featured its Advisor column, offering advice not only on sex,

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Speaker 1: relationships and life as well. And by the way, according

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Speaker 1: to a Vice article and a podcast released by iHeart

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00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: and Crooked Media titled Stifft, the first ever erotic magazine

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Speaker 1: for women was published in nineteen seventy three by the

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Speaker 1: same dude who started Penthouse, Bob Guccioni, which was titled Viva,

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Speaker 1: and according to that article, they quote paired feminist writing

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Speaker 1: from women like Betty Friedan and Erica Jong and stories

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Speaker 1: on anti rape groups and female circumcision with full frontal

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Speaker 1: male nudity and frank sex advice as the first erotic

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Speaker 1: women's magazine and embodied the fight to push forth the

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Speaker 1: conversation about women's sexuality amid the patriarchal influence of the decade.

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Speaker 2: And in that article is including the actual creator, Bob Guccione,

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Speaker 2: who we know is interesting. And though it was acceptable

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Speaker 2: for with gay magazines at the time to talk openly

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Speaker 2: about sex and relationships, it wasn't so much for ladies magazines.

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Speaker 2: It took a little while later for the first one

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Speaker 2: to pop up in nineteen sixty five in the Cosmo

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Speaker 2: magazine the then editor in chief Helen Gurley Brown, which

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Speaker 2: she has a really great quote about why wouldn't every

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Speaker 2: woman want to be a feminist? Which I was like, yes,

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Speaker 2: come on, now, she may have been one of our people's,

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Speaker 2: kind of a white woman of our people's, but you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean. But she was the then editor

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Speaker 2: in chief, and she revamped the magazine from being geared

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Speaker 2: toward housewives to more so single career ladies and published

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Speaker 2: an article on birth control pills in her first credited

631
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Speaker 2: issue of the magazine. So she was ready to go.

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Speaker 2: She was ready to go talking about all these things,

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Speaker 2: and more magazines started following suit with the articles written

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Speaker 2: by the opposite sex to teach the other sex how

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Speaker 2: to satisfy or how to keep their relationships attacked. So

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Speaker 2: Oftentimes they would feature men to tell women whatever the

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00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: advice was, and then vice versa. For men's magazines, they

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Speaker 2: would have women come on and give advice as well,

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00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: so you know things happen. Many famous examples are still

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Speaker 2: talked about today from Dear Abby, which is more wholesome,

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Speaker 2: but did have questions about relationships that she would talk

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Speaker 2: about to writers like Candace Bushnell from Sex and the

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Speaker 2: City fame, who wrote for The New York Observer in

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Speaker 2: her advice.

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Speaker 1: Here's the quote from get Me Giddy dot com, which

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Speaker 1: is the sexual health related site. Thank you, Samantha for

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Speaker 1: having me say this. In the late nineties and early

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Speaker 1: two thousands, less historically raunchy women's magazines began adding sex

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00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: to their usual topics of coverage in order to attract

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Speaker 1: more readers. Ladies Home Journal printed its first Behind Closed

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Speaker 1: Doors sex column in two thousand, and Red Book began

652
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Speaker 1: running it sex column Red Hot Sex that same year.

653
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Speaker 1: Soon sex wasn't just a topic reserved for magazines known

654
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Speaker 1: for their edginess. It was an expected part of mainstream

655
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Speaker 1: women's publications. Men's magazines underwent a similar shift, with magazines

656
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Speaker 1: like Esquire and GQ, both founded in the thirties and

657
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: originally focused on fashion, increasingly covering sex.

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Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, So I was just really excited that you

659
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Speaker 2: got to say the name of that site, get megiddy

660
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: dot com, which some of a really helpful site. But

661
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Speaker 2: I was like, what, And because I can't resist a

662
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Speaker 2: good read through of ridiculous things, here's a few of

663
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Speaker 2: the worst sex tips Annie, he's already blushing. Of the

664
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Speaker 2: worst sex tips from women's magazines, according to Mackenzie Z. Kennedy,

665
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Speaker 2: who blessed us with these quips seven years ago. So

666
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Speaker 2: as a seven year old post for Filthy, So here's one.

667
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: Bring your lover on your food shopping excursion. View it

668
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: as sentual foreplay. You can have a lot of fun

669
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: caressing and gently squeezing foods and inhaling their aromas. The

670
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: conversation should be entertaining too, And I will say, I

671
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Speaker 2: guess aie, you had a kind of related thing with food,

672
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Speaker 2: so maybe maybe.

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Speaker 1: Also look go back to your episode we did on

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Speaker 1: the movie Fresh.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes this doesn't work out, oh lord.

676
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Speaker 2: Because they didn't have all the grocery sing, didn't they?

677
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: I forgot about that. Okay, here's another one. Make two

678
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: fists around a shaft, and twist them in opposite directions

679
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 2: as hard as you can under this advice, Kennedy wrote,

680
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: this really bad sex tip has been inspiring people to

681
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: write about bad sex tips because it's literally telling you

682
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Speaker 2: to give your partner an Indian rugburn on the most

683
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Speaker 2: sensitive part of his body. I don't think that's comfortable.

684
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: The next one is firmly hold the bottom of his

685
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: shaft in one hand and slowly push it towards the base.

686
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: Imagine you're pushing his penis into his body. So again,

687
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's that effective. Here's another one.

688
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: Take a tennis ball and roll it with a slight

689
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 2: pressure between his shoulders and over his butt to help

690
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: him release pent up sexual energy. Got to bring a

691
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: tennis ball into it.

692
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Speaker 3: I guess you're too lazy.

693
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Speaker 2: To do anything else. And then the next one is

694
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Speaker 2: very softly bite the skin of his scrotum. I feel

695
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: like they could go very wrong, very very wrong. You

696
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: maybe he enjoys it and it says, And lastly, making

697
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 2: him a snack after sex. It doesn't have to be

698
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: a gourmet mill. A simple grilled cheese or milk and

699
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: cookies will do.

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00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 3: A simple grilled cheese or milk and cookies.

701
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 2: You know, the level of like it just boom down

702
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: to serve him. Thanks, and this will make it go

703
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: make a sandwich woman. I'm so sorry for that. It's true,

704
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: but it's essentially that a statement I feel like. So yes,

705
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 2: of course we don't. We're not to get into all

706
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Speaker 2: of it. And I'm sure, again this is seven years ago,

707
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Speaker 2: so I can't imagine what else is out there. I

708
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Speaker 2: wrote some of these nows. I actually I've heard the

709
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Speaker 2: shaft ones just so you know, which I think is

710
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: quite hilarious. It's such a romance novel term that is fantastic.

711
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: And again, though weest with some of these ridiculous bits

712
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: of advice, there is a real concern with some of

713
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: the information that is being spread. Although on the positive side,

714
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: having popular publications open up conversations about women learning to

715
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Speaker 2: enjoy sex or learning to explore sexual desires is a

716
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: plus and for a long time unheard of. It has

717
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: helped to destigmatize women's sexuality and even taught some men

718
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 2: about women's anatomy that they may not have understood. Hello Glitterius.

719
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Speaker 2: But there have been problems as well. According to one article,

720
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Speaker 2: some feel that women's magazines aren't celebrating being sexually open,

721
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: but rather pushing women to have degrading sex and calling

722
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Speaker 2: it IMpower. Now, I'm gonna be transparent here. This article

723
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Speaker 2: that I found written in evmagazine dot com seems as

724
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: I was reading it seems to be leaning very heavily

725
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Speaker 2: into the more like coming back to femininity, and it

726
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: kept saying that idea, which seems to be code for

727
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: like a conservative media, conservative think tank. I think I

728
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: do think there's a point here. Young girls are given

729
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: an embellished idea that they're being told that everyone and

730
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Speaker 2: every woman enjoy wild sex and are scared to set

731
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Speaker 2: boundaries for themselves. So I definitely think that's a conversation

732
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Speaker 2: where we don't have enough of that. We've come so

733
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Speaker 2: far sometimes to being sexually liberated, which is amazing, to

734
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Speaker 2: forgetting the part about consent, which we have talked about

735
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Speaker 2: previously in Boundaries. That was one of our book clubs too.

736
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Speaker 2: Of our book clubs actually wasn't it Come As You Are?

737
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: And the Ace book as well, because we have not

738
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Speaker 2: really pounded that into the head of like what consent?

739
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: When can you stop? And all those conversations and being

740
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: kind of so open to the idea that we're not

741
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: communicating to the younger generations of what that means. So

742
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Speaker 2: I do think there is some thought to that, as

743
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: well as the fact that women are told this is

744
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: what's happening, and this we were all doing this. Like

745
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 2: I've heard so many stories of men asking for threesomes

746
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: and they don't want necessarily want it, but being told

747
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: this is what people do so they just go with it,

748
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: and being uncomfortable with it, so all of those things.

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Speaker 2: I think it definitely has that point. So many of

750
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Speaker 2: the magazines lean into the pleasing a man idea, so

751
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: confusing liberation to non stop sescapades again, and the fact

752
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: that you have no choice or you have no power

753
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Speaker 2: to say no to any of these things or to stop,

754
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: like even if you were enjoying it to a certain

755
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: point and being able to have that communication. So I

756
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: think that is a big conversation of that. But the

757
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: article I'm referring to here also had an article titled

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Speaker 2: porn turned me by sexual and ruin my relationship, So

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00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: I feel like that's very yeah, weighty and very obvious,

760
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: as well as how to catch a husband, So you know,

761
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Speaker 2: watch out what you read. They had some good points.

762
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Speaker 2: I will not discredit that there. I would not take

763
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Speaker 2: everything they said as right in fact, so just on

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Speaker 2: the notes.

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Speaker 3: Yes for sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So coming back to the original point, there is misinformation

767
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Speaker 1: that can happen with sex advice given from a magazine article.

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Speaker 1: As one writer states in Dame Magazine, a walk through

769
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Speaker 1: social media can illustrate just how deep the notion that

770
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: women aren't big on sex or orgasm runs. While women

771
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: fake orgasms, says a common meme, men fake entire relationships.

772
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: Other prevalent humor suggests that the best way to turn

773
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: a woman on is through house cleaning, unless a guy

774
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: our gal does so, naked mopping induced arousal is unlikely.

775
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: Stress relief is important, of course, and if helping the

776
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: chores or other tasks alleviates it, terrific. But I've noticed

777
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: significantly more stress inducing this in the context of female

778
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: sexuality than girlfriends complaining about dirty dishes. And yes, this

779
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: is talking about the whole women having orgasms thing, which

780
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: we have discussed before at a links. And though this

781
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: article was written in twenty fifteen, we are still talking

782
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Speaker 1: about that and finding that misinformation today.

783
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: I mean, men are getting on podcasts saying women don't

784
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: have orgasms, so or can't have orgasms, that's not biological.

785
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: So you know we're still having that conversation. Yes and yeah.

786
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: As we mentioned before, there's both good and bad when

787
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: it comes to the sex relationship bets within magazines, and

788
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 2: research seems to back that up. According to Kristen Mark,

789
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 2: who was a therapist and professor, after doing a short

790
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: survey and readthrough of a popular women's magazine, specifically Cosmopolitan,

791
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Speaker 2: she concludes these findings suggest that women's magazines such as

792
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 2: Cosmo has potentially mixed effects. The impact is potentially problematic

793
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: when women, after brief exposure, are less likely than those

794
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: exposed to the control to believe premital sex intercourse is risky,

795
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: though it doesn't have to be risky. Use condoms, practice negotiation,

796
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: communicate with your partner, and make sure it's consensual. But

797
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: the short term impact of Cosmo can also be empowering

798
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 2: for women when after brief exposure, they're more likely than

799
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Speaker 2: those exposed to the control to believe that women should

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Speaker 2: be assertive in prioritizing their sexual desires for their osake,

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Speaker 2: but not for male partners.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I think it's also important that again, we

803
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Speaker 1: have no like, we don't have good sexual education in

804
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Speaker 1: this country. And you know, places like Florida are banning

805
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Speaker 1: the Dictionary because it has the definition of sex in it.

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Speaker 3: So if you have something like this, it can.

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Speaker 1: Be it can be really like you never hear about it,

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Speaker 1: and that's kind of it's unfortunate because it can be problematic,

809
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: but it is also okay, maybe I can like this thing,

810
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree, it's sort of a there's pluses

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Speaker 1: and negatives, and of course if you couldn't tell yes,

812
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: this is very heteronormative. The lack of information and advice

813
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: offered to the queer community was very blatant, going back

814
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: to that get Me Giddy dot com article, they wrote.

815
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Speaker 1: In the years following the publication made a point to

816
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: include more empowering and inclusive sex articles with LGBTQ perspectives

817
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: and advice geared toward feminist Glamour similarly did away with

818
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: content focused on what guys think, including a columnist by

819
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Speaker 1: the name of Jake to emphasize sex advice focused on

820
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: women's empowerment, and they continue Still the LGBTQ community has

821
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: been largely underrepresented in sex advice columns, though some writers

822
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Speaker 1: have recently stepped up to fix that. In twenty seventeen,

823
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Speaker 1: John Paul JP Brammer started the sex and love advice

824
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Speaker 1: column O La Poppy in Out magazine to provide guidance

825
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: to queer people who don't have the same access to

826
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Speaker 1: information about their sexuality online as straight CIS people. Secy

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Speaker 1: Blanchard similarly began her column MTF and DTF to talk

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Speaker 1: about the little discussed experiences of dating and sex from

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Speaker 1: a trans woman's perspective.

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Speaker 2: Right In research paper titles Narrative Analysis of Sexual Etiquette

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Speaker 2: and teen magazines, the authorites other than brief mentions of

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Speaker 2: masturbation in seventeen lesbian dreams in Mademoiselle, bisexual men who

833
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: put their field partners at Risk and Glamour, and one

834
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: story in Mademoiselle about a woman trying to save a

835
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Speaker 2: gay man from being gay. We found no representations of

836
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Speaker 2: homosexuality or masturbation that indicate these could be appropriate expressions

837
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Speaker 2: of sexuality. While there's also nothing which condemn these sexual expressions,

838
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: their absence could be seen as very limiting or isolating

839
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: by young women with these interests. Again note this was

840
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: actually written in nineteen ninety eight. So yeah, when I

841
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 2: say some of these are really dated, they are. But

842
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: the lack of information is something that should be recognized

843
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: and is oftentimes not seen in larger publications. Like we

844
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: just talked about the get megiddy dot com was like

845
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty article, so it's not been long and

846
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: it's still very unrepresented. And the things that we do

847
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: see are specific to queer culture instead of being in

848
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: the popular publications. And that article is obviously specific to

849
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: teen magazines as it was titled. Like I said, I

850
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: have read my fair share of sex and relationship advice

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00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: from different teen magazines, which we will delve into in

852
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: the next episode. And honestly, again, all this information is

853
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: a bit overwhelming, with a little with very little to

854
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: offer in like all the contexts, the way we have

855
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: to search for things is within itself. A lot of

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Speaker 2: times they call themselves outs. I will give them that,

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Speaker 2: like Lamberer will call themselves out. Cosmo has called themselves out.

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Speaker 2: You know, they've really changed their tone in the last

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Speaker 2: five years, which again it's gonna be about in the

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Speaker 2: next episode, but for today, we're going to pause here.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I have done exactly what I didn't want

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00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: to do make a three part thay. Apologies y'all, but hey,

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00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 2: this is good stuff.

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Speaker 1: I like how you say three part shut it.

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Speaker 2: I'm determined.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Well, finally I'm gonna finally reveal the

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Speaker 1: countents of my Ryan Gossling shock, and.

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Speaker 3: I'm very excited.

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Speaker 2: Is sitting on this outline taunting me?

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Speaker 3: Oh it's chaunting me too, daunting all of us.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you have any.

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Speaker 1: Thoughts about this, I mean, we would love to hear them.

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Speaker 1: I think I might go flip through some of my

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Speaker 1: I still have some magazines. Oh, just see what's in there.

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Speaker 2: I have to find some quizzes from those old school magazines,

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Speaker 2: because there's some I remember taking those, like what kind

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Speaker 2: of man are you supposed to be? With all those?

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Speaker 2: I gotta find one of those.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think the old Horo scipts could be fun.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those like like fashion like flow chart things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, us color salads.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll have to come back maybe for a Monday mini.

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Speaker 2: Not not not part beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I will help you with this.

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Speaker 1: Well, listeners, if you have any thoughts about any of that,

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Speaker 1: or like, yes, any old magazines you want to share

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