1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Yea, we welcome you into the best podcast available two 2 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: weeks away from the NFL Draft Here in the c 3 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: l E. I'm Jason Gibbs alongside Andrew Gribble, and we've 4 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: got quite a show for you today. Matt Miller from 5 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: ESPN NFL Draft Analysts will join the program. In addition, 6 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: Brown safety Grant Delpitt will join the program to talk 7 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: about his draft experience, the offseason, looking ahead here to 8 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: the one season, and talking about a new addition to 9 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns in the form of defensive edge Rushier 10 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: Jadaveon Clowney, Gribbs, the Browns getting it done, the front 11 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: office getting it done. Um, Andrew Barry, you know, in 12 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: his part of the press release, said that Jenevan Clowny 13 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 1: was relentless, and it was Jendeveon Clowney that was saying 14 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: Andrew Barry was the one that was relentless when it 15 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: came to pursuing the defensive end. Barry gets his guy 16 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: on a one year deal. Jenevian Clowney is a Cleveland Brown. Yeah, 17 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 1: it's interesting because I think this is a long courtship 18 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: that has finally ended with Clowney with the Browns. I 19 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: think it was well documented last year the Browns or 20 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: interested in Jadeveon Clowney and he ultimately went to the Titans. 21 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: Had a solid year up to the point where he 22 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: was and then had a knee injury creep up and 23 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: and ended his season about halfway through it. So I 24 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: think he's healthy now, he's ready to prove himself. And 25 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: I think with what the Browns have going on their 26 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: defensive line with Myles Garrett, j Davian Clowney, Tach McKinley, 27 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: Porter Gustin and some others, I mean, you've got what 28 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: now looks like a full defensive end room. And I 29 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: think now you entered the draft in two weeks pretty 30 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: much open. I still think we I still think we 31 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: think it's going to be a defensive player. I think 32 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: I've lowered my percentages just a little bit down now. 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: I think I've gone from to maybe like a uh 34 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: prediction on defensive players. But that's that's what you do 35 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: in free agency. You cover up your area's weakness, so 36 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: you're drafting in a position of strength and getting a 37 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: true solid player at number twenty six or later in 38 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: the draft or earlier in the draft. If you make 39 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: some moves up or down depending on what suits you best. Yeah, 40 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: all options around the table. I would think now for 41 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: that Thursday night pick at pick number twenty six, what's 42 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: more fascinating will be what happens on Day two. I 43 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 1: think now you know, this team has the flexibility. We've 44 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: talked about the fact we don't anticipate them using all 45 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: of their draft picks, and this could be a situation 46 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: where the Browns could definitely be in play to move up. 47 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: Maybe you know, if a guy falls and it's within 48 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: that ten spot radius of the Browns, maybe they move 49 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: up and they go get a guy. Uh, maybe they 50 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: moved back. Maybe they maybe they even moved back on 51 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: Thursday night. I don't know if that necessarily happens. I 52 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: think they're content to, uh to let the best player 53 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: available fall to them. But now it opens up what 54 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: could be a very interesting Friday night for this football team. Well, yeah, 55 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I mean, I think there's a lot 56 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: of the focus, understandably now is what would make the 57 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: Browns better in to go win a Super Bowl. But 58 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: at the same time, the long term vision of your 59 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: franchise is building it through the draft and getting players 60 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: on these four to five year deals outside the draft 61 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: and building that way. I mean, the reason why the 62 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: Browns are in this position, outside of the higher of 63 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski and everything else like that, your core of 64 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: this team, Baker Mayfield, Nick Chubb, Denzel Ward, Myles Garrett, 65 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: those are all draft picks. Those are guys that have 66 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: been here on rookie deals and have allowed you to 67 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: fill out the roster around them to to maximize the 68 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: talent you have. So now you're looking these picks are 69 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: not just about one these are You're planning the seeds 70 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: for this to be not just a one year thing 71 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: with the Browns winning. I mean, this is about long 72 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: term winning. And so that's why I still think defense 73 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: is where you go, because I think you need some 74 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: more long term solutions on the defense because you've got 75 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys clowning included on one year deals. 76 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: But it just opens it up where I still think 77 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: you're gonna find a few new offensive players on this 78 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: team via the draft, and it could be on Day 79 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: one and Day two. I just think it's more open because, 80 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: as Nathan likes to say, you can roll this team 81 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: out there right now and feel good about it now 82 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: you're just adding to this team via the draft via 83 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: nine picks. Whether or not you make all nine and 84 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: we'll see, but these are truly now picks about the future. 85 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: This isn't just about this draft. And with Clowney signing 86 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: that that becomes even more abundantly clear. All right, let's 87 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: take a talk about jadeveon Clowning. Your biggest takeaway from 88 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: his introductory press conference? Uh, well, Wednesday. Well, I think 89 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: the most memorable answer is going to be what he 90 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: said about what's changed about the Browns in the last year. 91 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: And I think that the easy answers they're a winning 92 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: team now and and you and it's a completely understandable thing. 93 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he went to the Titans last year, who 94 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: are coming off that great run to the f C Championship, 95 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: beating the upsetting the Ravens in the playoffs. He was 96 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: joining a team that he thought was one step away 97 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: from the super Bowl. The Browns in two thousand nineteen 98 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: didn't look like that team. There were six and ten, 99 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: had a lot of questions, had a new head coach. 100 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you understand what what this thought process was. 101 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: This is a different situation he's walking into. I also 102 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: think it's a different playing situation he's walking into. I 103 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: think when you looked at it last year, was he 104 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: going to be an every down guy on the other 105 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: side of Myles Garrett? Now you look at it more 106 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: of as this can we can you can maximize his 107 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: talents by maybe lessening his snap count and putting him 108 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: in situations to really read havoc alongside Myles Garrett, Sheldon Richardson, 109 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: Tack McKinley, all those guys. So I think the situation, 110 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: the way everything like that stood out with the way 111 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: he reacted to that question. He just said simply, they're 112 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: winning now, and then that just that that made all 113 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: the difference for him. I think the other thing that 114 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: I took away, you know, he said they wanted me, 115 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: They showed me how much they wanted me, and they 116 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: have an idea of how they want to use me. 117 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: And he clearly liked that, and that appealed to him. 118 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: Whatever that philosophy might be that Joe Woods and Kevin 119 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: Stefanski have pitched to him, he really liked it because 120 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: he's a Cleveland Brown here today. I think one thing 121 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: that a very underrated thing about Clowney, and I think 122 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: almost an underrated thing about the Bronze defense last year 123 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: was the Browns were a lot better against the run 124 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: last year than they've been in most years. And there 125 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: and stopping the run is something Clowney is very good at. 126 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: And I think that that plays into the strengths of 127 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: this defense where just because he's known as a big 128 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: time pastorship, this guy makes sure run defense better. And 129 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: I think that was that. That run defense last year 130 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: I think held the Browns together defensively and made them 131 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: better than they might have been had they not been 132 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: good at there. I mean, that was the one thing 133 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: they did pretty well. Uh, And you want to keep 134 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: doing those things well while getting better at the things 135 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: you didn't do. So and I think the upgrades in 136 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: the secondary, adding maybe some more speeded linebacker, I think 137 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: that makes you better stopping the past. But I think 138 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: now you're able to maintain how solid you were against 139 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: the run last year, and that's that's very important, especially 140 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: in the division the brown During Right now, we will 141 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: hear from Grant delpit on the newest member of the 142 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, Jadeveon Clowney, coming up in a couple of minutes. 143 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: Right now, though, Uh, what the Browns may or may 144 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: not do I picked number twenty six. ESPN Draft analyst. 145 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: Miller had a chance to sit down with Gribbs. Gribbs 146 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: knocked out everything this week running the show this week. 147 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: It was a Gribbs podcast. Basically, I'm here for about 148 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: six minutes of it. Gribbs took care of the rest. 149 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: He did all the heavy lifting. A great interview with 150 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: Matt Miller, though, and some great insight on some of 151 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: the guys in this draft and who may or may 152 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: not be there at pick number twenty six. Have a 153 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: watch and of a listen. We're glad to be joined 154 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: now by Matt Miller ESPN Draft Analysts. You can follow 155 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: all his work at at Nflograph Scout, and you've seen 156 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: him on your TV a lot in these coming weeks 157 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: and during the NFL Draft, and Matt, I'm just wondering 158 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,119 Speaker 1: what the perspective of the Browns is entering this draft 159 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: and how different it is to look at them from 160 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: the bottom of the first round instead at the top. Yeah, 161 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: it was very different this year to be drafting at 162 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: number six overall and not having traded back to that point. 163 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: I think that's what's really exciting, right now. And one 164 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: thing that and I'm sure we'll get into this. One 165 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: thing that's really interesting this year is that the Cleveland 166 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: Browns don't have a lot of the desperate needs. You know, 167 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: normally we would see the Browns headed into a draft 168 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: he said, you gotta get a quarterback, you gotta get 169 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: an offensive tackle there that many needs. This year, there 170 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: aren't that many holes, which speaks to the job that 171 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefans get done. So I think, 172 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: you know, Brown's fans have always been dedicated in loyal 173 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: I've loved, you know, over the last decade of covering 174 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: the draft interactive with Browns fans because they know their stuff, 175 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: They're passionate about their their team. It was exciting to 176 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: see a winning program there now that y'all get to 177 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: enjoy this a little bit. Just looking back real quick 178 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: at last year, what did you learn about Andrew Berry 179 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: and his drafting style with with the Browns and how 180 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: does that way into how you look at how they 181 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: see the field this year. Yeah, you know, last year 182 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: is tough to put too much stock into because of 183 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: you know, all the the changes due to the COVID 184 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: nineteen pandemic really starting you know, in March we saw 185 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: a lot a lot of processes changed. But I think 186 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: one thing that we can learn about Andrew is that 187 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: they're going to take everything into account. You know, this 188 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: is not a strictly analytics based front office. This is 189 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: not a strictly tape based front office. And I thought 190 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: they did a great job of playing the board smartly 191 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: last year, not panicking when you start to see a 192 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: couple offensive tackles come off the board, not panicking, waiting 193 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: and getting a player whole. I had is the top 194 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: tackle in last year's draft, So I think they did 195 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: a really good job of that. I'm anxious to see 196 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: if that carries forward this year. Will they remain patient 197 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: and let the board fall to them or do we 198 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: see them maybe get a little bit more aggressive. I 199 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: think that's somewhere we can start to figure out what 200 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: the signature is of the general manager. You know, are 201 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: you conservative, are you aggressive? How do you value future 202 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: draft picks or I haven't seen the Browns give up 203 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: much draft capital yet, So I think that's something that 204 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: we'll all be trying to figure out what this year's draft. Now, 205 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: I know a lot of what you're probably talking about 206 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: on TV these days is about offensive players, quarterbacks. The 207 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: wide seas often tackles at the being of draft. But 208 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: is this a good draft to need defense the way 209 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: it appears the Browns will be headed this year, it 210 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: is where the Browns are drafting, and I think that's 211 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: the key there are I only have one player ranked 212 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: in my top ten who is on the defensive side 213 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: of the ball. That's Micah Parsons from Penn State. So 214 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: where the draft, as you mentioned, it's so offensive heavy. 215 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna see five quarterbacks drafted fairly early. We're gonna 216 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: see four pass catchers drafted early, two offensive tackles drafted early. 217 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: The Browns will not be at least addressing those positions early. 218 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: So that is good news because more valuable defensive players 219 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: are gonna get pushed down a little bit. So I 220 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: think this year with the depth of addresser, while there's 221 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: not that one elite prospect, the depth is good. The 222 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: depth of corner and safety are really good. The depth 223 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: you know, at the linebacker position, and this is a 224 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: year where we actually have a lot of really good 225 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: coverage linebackers. So the depth on defense is very impressive 226 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: this year, even if there's not those outstanding players like 227 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: jeffa Couda going number three overall last year. We're not 228 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: going to see that this year. But that is good 229 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: news for the Browns because the end of round one 230 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: to end of round two, you're getting a lot of 231 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: quality starters on that side of the ball. This may 232 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: be more of a philosophical question, but what what makes 233 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: someone a late first round pass rushure? Because we know 234 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: there's so much from your so much stock put in 235 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: the past rusher position, you just don't usually see this 236 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: many guys pegged as late first round. I think it's 237 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: different this year is we have some players who lack 238 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: production or experience. Gregory Russo had one year at Miami 239 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 1: and he had nineteen and a half tackles for a 240 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: loss of fifteen and a half sacks. But it's hard 241 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: to figure out how much of that production was due 242 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: to the scheme, how much of that production was due 243 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: to him Because we didn't get see a follow up. 244 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips from Miami takes his place. It was fantastic 245 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: and he checks a lot of the boxes, but he 246 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: has injury concerns and history history with concussion, and while 247 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: he was at U C. L a Jason Oway from 248 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: Penn State is running a four three, but he didn't 249 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: have any sacks last year. So with all these edge rushers, 250 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: there's there's things that you get really excited about, but 251 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: there might be one to two traits that they're deficient 252 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: and whether it's experienced production, whatever it might be. And 253 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: so I think that's where we're seeing more mid to 254 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: late round one grades on the pass rushers instead of 255 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: the Chase Young Nick Bosa, Oh my god, you have 256 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: to go get this guy early. You know, even Montes 257 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: sweat and went to the Carolina Panthers, he would be 258 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: the top pass rusher in this class. And so I 259 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: think that's where we're seeing players who have a lot 260 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: of potential, a lot of potential, but there's one to 261 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: two things that might be missing, and that's why they 262 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: are being pushed down the board. Of those guys in 263 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: the late first round situation, which one of them for 264 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: you was an easy evaluation and which one has maybe 265 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: been the toughest one for you? Oh my gosh, I 266 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: think the easiest evaluation is probably Quitty Pay from Michigan, 267 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: just because we've been able to see him do it 268 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: for a little bit longer and he's done it with 269 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: speed and power. It's not just a pure edge rusher. 270 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: It's not just a pure power rusher. He's been asked 271 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: to move all around the Michigan defensive line do a 272 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: couple of different things. So I think that's the easiest valuation. 273 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: But also he has the athleticism, so it's not just 274 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: production he has first he's twitchy, very agile, and he 275 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: has good strength throughout his body. So I think he's 276 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: the quote unquote easiest. I think the hardest would be 277 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: Jason Noway, because you're trying to figure out here's a 278 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: player who has elite of elite physical traits, like he 279 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: is what you would he's better than what you would 280 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: design and a lab to be a pass rusher. But 281 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: you have to reconcile that with the fact that he 282 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: didn't have a sack in two thousand and twenty. Now 283 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: I had a four and a half of two nineteen, 284 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: I believe, And he's had production in the past, he's 285 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: had a lot of pressures, but not getting home last 286 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: year that's something that you do worry about and try 287 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: to figure out, Okay, like what what is this? Because 288 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: we can only get so far breaking down a scheme 289 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: without knowing assignments right, and so that that does make 290 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: it tough of can this player produce at the NFL 291 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: level when he didn't in college, So that that is 292 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: the big question mark with him now. Another core position 293 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: that has a lot of focus with the Browns is 294 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: the cornerback spot. It seems like this has been a 295 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: very good period for the cornerbacks. You hear about all 296 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: these great pro days these guys are having. Which one 297 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: of these guys could realistically be in the mix of 298 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: six and which ones would the bronze Maybe you have 299 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: to make a move up for Yeah, I think to 300 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: make a move up. There's three names. That's Patrick Starts 301 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: in the second from Alabama, j C. Horn from South Carolina, 302 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: and then Caleb Farley from Virginia Tech who just went 303 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: through the combined medical check that's very very important for 304 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: where his stock is at. So those three are are 305 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: likely to be off the board. I think the conversation 306 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: then starts with players like Greg News on the second 307 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: from Northwestern. Uh. You probably look at someone who's physical, 308 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: plays the ball very well, he's aggressive. On the other 309 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: side of that that would be someone a little bit smaller 310 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: with really good instincts Sante Samuel Jr. From Florida State. 311 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: So the corner class there is good depth. We could 312 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: see five to six drafted in the first round. It 313 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't be a surprise. But then we need come around 314 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: into round two. There's still good players. They're Tyson Campbell 315 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: and Eric Stokes, both from Georgia, really good players. There's 316 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: Aaron Robinson from Central Florida who's will likely be a 317 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: top fifty pick and is a very good player. So 318 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: it's it's a good year to have a need at 319 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: corner because that depth does stretch into the second round. 320 00:14:58,400 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: So is it fair to say if you don't get 321 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: one in the first round, you're still in pretty good 322 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: shape in the second. I definitely think that from maybe 323 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: the pass dreshers. Yeah, so I think that's a great 324 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: way to look at this. And that's something I try 325 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: to educate my readers and viewers on, is it's not 326 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: there's not just one round in the draft. There seven, 327 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: So you want to try to come out of this 328 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: with the best combination of players at multiple positions. So 329 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: when you look at the depth of the corner position, 330 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: it is a little bit better in round two. Then 331 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: the edge dresher classes. The addressers are most likely going 332 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: to come off the board in the top fifty, the 333 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: players who have high starting traits. So you look at that, 334 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: I think at twenty six, if there's an addresser there 335 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: that you like or defensive lineman, that's probably the better 336 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: value at twenty six, and then coming around in round 337 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: two that there will be corners who can play. And 338 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: we see it every year, you know, players dropped around 339 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: three round four corner and you just draft an athlete. 340 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: You draft somebody who can run, somebody who's physical, and 341 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: you incorporate them into your scheme based on your scouting, 342 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: and they can end up being good starters. So I 343 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: think with corners it's not as much of a position 344 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: we have to stress out about. We have to draft 345 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: a guy in the first round. We have to get 346 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: those premium traits because you can find speed in length 347 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: later in the draft. It gets pretty polarizing with Browns 348 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: fans when you talk about linebackers in the first round. 349 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: There's a lot of opinions on on these guys that 350 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: whether you take on the first round or not. I mean, 351 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: do you do you see some players that might be 352 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: worthy of that spot and how does that mesh with 353 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: maybe what what the analytics models say about taking linebackers early, Right, 354 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: it is tough, but you know, linebacker is also one 355 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: of the most successful positions drafted in the first round 356 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: in terms of hit rate. You know, guys who are 357 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: become Pro Bowlers get that second contract, So it's a 358 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: more valuable position when you look at it that way, 359 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: or if you just watch the Super Bowl, it was 360 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: a pretty valuable position, right, So I think that is 361 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, maybe the tide does turn there a little 362 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: bit of if you can find and I think this 363 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: is important part of it. If you can find the 364 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: right linebacker, if you can find someone who can stay 365 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: on the field all three downs, if you can find 366 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: a Devin White, Okay, that's very valuable. So I think 367 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: this year there are very valuable linebackers who will be 368 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: available at twenty six. You can hope that someone like 369 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: Jeremiah Woosu Cormo from Notre Dame slips down the board 370 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: a little bit because he's a little undersized but is 371 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: excellent in terms of coverage and he can do you 372 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: can play on all three phases of the game defensively, 373 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: if it's not around one need in round two, you're 374 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: probably looking at someone like jibbro Cox from l s U, 375 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: who is, in my opinion, the best pure coverage linebacker 376 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: in the draft, Nick Bolton from Missouri, Chaster Rapp from 377 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: North Carolina. So there is, again, in a round two 378 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: you're getting pretty good depth of the linebacker position. I 379 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: think there's probably a drop off after that point, though, 380 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: to where you're looking at players who are not likely 381 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: to be three down assets once you gets around three 382 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: and later. Now, I think in my last few months, 383 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: I've found one mock draft that had the Browns taking 384 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: an offensive player, and that was a wide receiver. Now 385 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: I don't think that we don't think that might happen 386 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: now in the first round. But is there a sweet 387 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: spot with wide receivers in this draft where you could 388 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: really maybe get someone that's maybe more talented than than 389 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: where you're picking them at. I think the beauty of 390 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: the wide receiver position right now is every round there's 391 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: that sweet spot because there are just so many, you know, 392 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: I mean, the amount of work I do and wide 393 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: receivers has doubled in the past couple of years. It 394 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: used to be you try to get about thirty five 395 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 1: of those guys evaluated because that was the average. It's 396 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: about thirty five players drafted. Now I'm getting into the fifties, sixties, 397 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 1: you know, there's so many wide receivers out there. So 398 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: I do think that that's an area where really in 399 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: every round you're probably gonna have value and the key 400 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: will be medicals number one. But then is there a 401 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: run If six receivers are drafted in the first round, 402 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: the round two might actually be a little bit undersaturated 403 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: compared to what the big board says it would be. Right. So, 404 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: but anytime you get into rounds fourth or seven at 405 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: the wider superposition a lot a lot like corner. One 406 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: thing you can kind of bet on that seems to 407 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: work well is to draft athletes. Draft the guys who 408 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: are running four three's drafted the players who have elite size. 409 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: Find a player with an elite trade, draft them and 410 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: hope to develop them. As opposed to, well, like this 411 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: guy had good production, but he's he was slow. I 412 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: would flip that around and take the player, maybe take 413 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: the athlete over the great producer in college. So I 414 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: do think day three you can find a lot of 415 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: steals at wide receiver, especially with Cleveland you're not looking 416 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: for a wide receiver one. You're looking for someone to 417 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: fill a role, help on special teams, and that's where 418 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: I think you can clean up a little bit in 419 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: this draft. And it's tough to predict the future. But 420 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: I'm wondering, have you heard from teams on how they're 421 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: valuing picks this year in the draft? Say, the Browns 422 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: have nine picks in this year's draft, but it's been 423 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: a weird year to evaluate players. I mean, do you 424 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: do you get the indication and that people will be 425 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: trying to stockpile future picks or their teams looking to 426 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: make a lot of picks in this year's draft. It's interesting, Andrew, 427 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: because you hear both. You hear the teams that say 428 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: scouting was hard this year. We didn't get access to players. 429 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: You only did medicals on hundred guys, which is a 430 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: really low number. So let's maybe move some of those 431 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: picks to next year. The other thing that you hear 432 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: from some really proactive teams is that next year's draft 433 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: class does not look as good as this year. So 434 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: it is a little bit of a double edged sword. 435 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: We will know more about the players next year, but 436 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: it looks like there will be a little bit of 437 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: a drop off in talent. You know, there there aren't 438 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: the household names returning. There's not adjustin fields, or Trevor 439 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: Lawrence returning. There's not you know, even DeVante Smith and 440 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: Jamaar Chase, Naji Harris. There were so many players who 441 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: we knew as underclassman or as returning upperclassmen would be 442 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: great prospects this year. Next year. There seems to be 443 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of a drop off. So I think 444 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: that is an interesting part of this is that we 445 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: might see teams want to you'd rather move those picks 446 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: to year where you know a lot more about the players, 447 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: but you have to be aware of the talent drop 448 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: off from this year to next year. And I'll just 449 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: end on this one. This is a spot in the 450 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: draft the brounds hope to be for a long time. 451 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: What is, in your opinion, the hallmark of a team 452 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: that wants to consist consistently be a winner. What do 453 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: they usually do with these late first round picks. What 454 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: you can look right within your own division and look 455 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: at the Baltimore raveunds of Pittsburgh Steelers. So what they've 456 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: done very well, It's hit in the middle rounds. It's 457 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 1: not just you need to hit on your first round pick, right, 458 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: but it's about finding starters and rounds two, three, four. 459 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh seemingly has not missed at the wide receiver position. 460 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: Maybe ever know, Baltimore has done a great job of 461 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: packaging years where they have a lot of picks, years 462 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: where they don't have many picks, but they're still finding 463 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: starters in rounds three, four or five. So I think 464 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: for Andrew Berry, for Kevin Stefanski, moving this thing forward, 465 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: that's where you have to be. You have to continue 466 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: to backfill your roster. It's too expensive to keep veterans right. 467 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: You have to always have that next guy waiting in 468 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: the wings, whether it's due to due to injury, due 469 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: to salary cab situations. So I think that's where if 470 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: you're gonna remain picking in the late twenties, you have 471 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: to hit the mid rounds, all right. Matt Miller ESPN 472 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: NFL Draft Analysts follow him at at NFL Draft Scout, 473 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: and you'll be catching him with ESPN and ABC's NFL 474 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: Draft coverage through April twenty nine through May one. Matt, 475 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. You bet guys, 476 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. All right, we're 477 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: joined now by Brown safety Grant Delpit and Grant, I 478 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: just saw your tweet reaction to the news, and I 479 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: got to ask you what you're thinking about getting Jadeveon 480 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: Clowney on this roster. I was just looking at that picture. 481 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: I just thought to myself, Man, is about to get scared. 482 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: It's about to get rein scared. And uh, hopefully we 483 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: can all put it all together as a whole defense. 484 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: So I think the pieces are there, man, and I 485 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: always gonna put together now. So now, I'm sure you 486 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: grew up watching SEC football. I mean, what does it 487 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: mean to be on the same team as a guy 488 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: like Clowney, a guy like Myles Garrett. You know, it's funny. 489 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: I know exactly. I remember exactly where I was at 490 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: when that hit happened in South Carolina. I remember exactly 491 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: where I was at. That's how that's how I know that, 492 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, we got a great player. And um, I 493 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: was actually in Colorado on the skeech of my family. Yeah, 494 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: I know, I knew that that play happened. So but um, 495 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: you know, man, it's gonna be great for us to 496 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: get another ada. Of course, like I said, we have 497 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: all the pieces and you know, a great player and 498 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,239 Speaker 1: as you see you, um history like yeah, so that's 499 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: conference and that's conference in college football. Ye ask me. Great, 500 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about you. What you're a 501 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: few months removed now from from the injury. What's what's 502 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: the latest on on how you're feeling and how you've 503 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: gotten to this point. Yeah. I haven't never really done 504 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: any interviews since I've been hurt. I've been really trying 505 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: to focus on myself and focus on getting back. That's 506 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: what I've been doing. Um. So I'm almost done. I 507 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: almost feel like myself again. Like a month or two 508 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: and I'll be you know. So it's been a long journey, 509 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: it's been a long time coming. So just hopefully, um 510 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: turn around this year and ready to get back to it. Well, 511 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: what was maybe the toughest part of the this this 512 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: whole this whole period of time for you. UM. Toughest part, 513 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: uh just just knowing that um you know, like you know, 514 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: you work your whole life to get somewhere and then 515 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: anything happened and off the wall and you're forced to sit, 516 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: you know, sit back and watch so that's the part 517 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: with his life. You know, it happens, Grant when you're 518 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: when you're going through this rehab process, was there like 519 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: a turning point moment where you saw some real progress 520 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: and and it kind of propelled your momentum here going 521 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: forward and in the rehab. I mean, to be honest, 522 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 1: not really myself, just because I've been dealing it for 523 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: so long, but you know, my pts and the people 524 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: I've been working with say, it's definitely turned around fast. Um, 525 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: And I don't remember particular time because it's been so long, 526 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: but it's definitely turned around. To say, at least, how 527 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: close have you gotten with a guy like Greedy during 528 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: this time who's been dealing with a similar thing and 529 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: trying to get back to full strength one? You know, 530 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: I've always been close to Um, so just the opportunity 531 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: for us to I guess, you know, talk about things 532 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: and get even closer. Uh, It's been good. You know. 533 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: It sucks being able to have to sit out and 534 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: go to rehab every day while the people our teammates 535 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: are practicing not being involved in a lot of stuff. 536 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: So um, it's good to go over to with somebody 537 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 1: that I already knew, but it's a last time, you know, 538 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: it's hopefully, so you try to get on the field 539 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: together and then just how much excitement did you get 540 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: from watching what this Browns team became this pastor and 541 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: how much did that drive you to get back for 542 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: the season. Yeah, it's great. Um, it's sucks you have 543 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: to sit out of it and just watch from a distance. 544 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: But um, not at all the complace in the world 545 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: that we can continue that and even get better. You know, 546 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: we're just scratching the surface of wherever we need to 547 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: be at. Um. Hopefully we keep building and keep adding 548 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: more pieces. We can keep going for a long time. 549 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: What what what have you thought so far about what 550 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: Ronnie Harrison brought to the table as as a player 551 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: and then now with the signing of John Johnson, how 552 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: you guys can kind of work together and as safeties 553 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: in the back end of this defense. Oh to to 554 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: botherss too, playmakers. Um, Ronnie, we got read me, got 555 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: mosket and um, you know John. So hopefully, like I said, 556 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: that is that is great and we always want to 557 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: have depth in everybody that can play. Um, you know vets, 558 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: we got vets in John, We got Ronnie I said, 559 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: we got all the pieces, man, you got time to 560 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: put together now, um, hopefully make it work. And from 561 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: what you know about this Joe Woods defense, I mean, 562 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: how much can it thrive with back on a depth 563 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: at the safety position? Yeah, you know, I don't know 564 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: what coach got up to sleep. Uh, but we'll find 565 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: out pretty soon we report, Um, so we'll see. Man. 566 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: I don't call the shots. I just go go to 567 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 1: flow and go to most and so we'll see. Man, 568 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: I don't know yet. We're getting near the start of 569 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: draft here. So it's been about one year since you 570 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: went through your whole process. When you look back on that, 571 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: what stands out the most to you when you look 572 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: back on your draft process? Uh? Who stands out to me? 573 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: By my draft process? I would just say, you know, 574 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 1: just speaking to the guys about to get drafted, just 575 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: the stress. Uh, just don't let it folds you actually 576 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: just tweeted something like that. Just don't let it folds you, man. 577 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: Just let everything work out how's supposed to work out. 578 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: You can do all you can do, workout, train um 579 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: every day. But you know you're gonna get draft to 580 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: where you get drafted and it's gonna work out in 581 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: the end. So it's just a lot of stressing that 582 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: stuff like that going on that process, but it works out. 583 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: It's guy's plan. Was that the most stressful part of 584 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: your career, you know, especially especially they leading up to 585 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: the draft. Uh, you know my cousin gone through right now. 586 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: Um he Thereunz on the he plays for Produce, so 587 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: you know it's definitely real. But at the end, it's 588 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: a great feeling. So that's how that matters you. Jealous 589 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: of him that he didn't have to go through a 590 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: real combine. I mean no, not really. I mean I 591 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: didn't go through a real because I didn't go through 592 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: a real combine. Really, I didn't really do anything to 593 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: comb out but interviews and medical So uh, it was 594 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: a cool experience, man, And I would have wished I 595 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: would have did some more stuff. So and then just 596 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: looking ahead, what do your next couple of months look 597 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: like in getting yourself ready for training camp? How? How 598 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: how many? How many hours do you think you're logging 599 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: in this in this weight room to get ready and 600 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: get excited for training camps? I don't because so many 601 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: hours in the waiting room man um, But that's just 602 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,479 Speaker 1: part of life. You playing the league, so especially when 603 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: you hurt. Um. So you know, I don't know how 604 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: many hours I put in, but you know I'm continue 605 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: to do that, um and do everything I can't get 606 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: on the shield. Um. So you know it's time. It's 607 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: been a long time coming, and hopefully I can get 608 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: the fans what they want, myself that I I want to 609 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: my family what I want. So you know, hopefully we'll 610 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: see bro and during all this kind of weird times, 611 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: I mean, how would what what would feel like to 612 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: be in kind of a full Cleveland brown Stadium in 613 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: the fall, after the year the whole world's gone through 614 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: and what you've gone through personally here. Yeah, I don't know. 615 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what the experience would be like, 616 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: but I'm sure it's gonna be great. Um. I know 617 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: the fans are waiting for it and players are waiting 618 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: for it. Um. So we'll see. Man, I'm definitely looking 619 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: forward to it. Uh. You know, August is that temper 620 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: can't come fast enough. But until then we wait back 621 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: train and work out practice and get ready as I 622 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: wuld do. Well. Grant, thank you so much and appreciate 623 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: you joining us and Browns fans, make sure to check 624 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: out all of the episodes of the best podcast available. 625 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: Log on to Cleveland Browns dot com or wherever you 626 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: get your podcast, like and subscribe today. 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