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Speaker 3: What's up, everybody?
Speaker 1: Welcome back to The Draymond Green Show with My dog
Speaker 1: the Legend. Baron Davis himself bed what's up my brother?
Speaker 1: What's uping?
Speaker 3: My guy was going on? Man, shit you hooping? How
Speaker 3: you feeling? You look good?
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, brother, I feel great. You know it's
Speaker 1: that time of the season. You're getting your boy to
Speaker 1: get ready to go for the playoffs. Locking it all
Speaker 1: the way in. I feel great out there.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: We got to you know, like I said before, we
Speaker 1: got a chance. You give me a chance.
Speaker 3: I turned it to a different basketball player, Condens. That's
Speaker 3: what I say.
Speaker 2: Get going in this tournament. I can't the hell out here.
Speaker 2: I got the Spartans in U c l A. And
Speaker 2: in the finals that's fire with U c l A
Speaker 2: beating them again. Y'all gotta get there. Y'all gotta get there.
Speaker 2: Hopefully y'all make it now.
Speaker 3: We got it.
Speaker 2: We we cool. We got every matchup. We got a
Speaker 2: better matchup than any team, and that.
Speaker 3: Team just not that good. And that's the problem.
Speaker 1: So you look at the other team and you like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got a better match up. You know, like because
Speaker 1: that team ain't that strong. The problem is, y'all team
Speaker 1: ain't that strong defense defense winning championship.
Speaker 3: I can't knock that way, you know.
Speaker 2: And we play defense, and we play defense when I'm
Speaker 2: looking though, next too, we number one the team that
Speaker 2: being the number one though I.
Speaker 3: Don't really know if we but our defense crazy.
Speaker 2: Y'all got you know, y'all got a little baby j Rich, Yeah,
Speaker 2: baby Rich, Yeah, that's my dog in the tournament. You
Speaker 2: gotta let the dogs run wild on offense, and I
Speaker 2: think make Croning gon let Eric day You're gonna see.
Speaker 2: You're gonna see these dudes turning the offensive guys in
Speaker 2: the tournament because it's you know, the floor too big
Speaker 2: to be doing a lot of yelling. You know, you can't.
Speaker 2: You got to coach strategically in the tournament. And I
Speaker 2: think Mike Cronin defensively specialist offensively he gonna have if
Speaker 2: he pulled back a little bit of them range. You
Speaker 2: know the problem, We're gonna get another Jewsang we in
Speaker 2: the Jewsang hockens uh Tyler camp.
Speaker 3: We're going back to the final four.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: You know the problem I have with these U C
Speaker 1: L A conversations as you always make it out to
Speaker 1: be like I hate U.
Speaker 3: C l A. I have nothing against U. Cl but
Speaker 3: the way you know we recruited you with the way No,
Speaker 3: y'all didn't recruit me, but the way the way you
Speaker 3: be framing it though, you be framing it like I
Speaker 3: don't like U. C l A. I have nothing against you.
Speaker 3: See I actually I told you my kids love you CLA.
Speaker 2: I know we're in the same conference. Bro, you gotta
Speaker 2: you gotta feel around, y'all. Just we come out, we
Speaker 2: catch some son. That's why we lost in two games.
Speaker 2: We come out, we catch some son, we go back
Speaker 2: to the snow. Y'all are really in our conference, y'all just.
Speaker 3: Aid then we are. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I came over there and got got that smacking
Speaker 2: we could. We can hang into Big Ten. I am
Speaker 2: not worried about nothing cracking in the Big Ten as
Speaker 2: far as U c l A coming in, give us
Speaker 2: a couple of years, will be the number one team
Speaker 2: in the Big Ten.
Speaker 1: Naughty all right there, it is five thousand dollars bet
Speaker 1: that in the next three years big U c l
Speaker 1: A do not win the Big Ten in regular season championship.
Speaker 3: Say no more, say no more.
Speaker 2: All right, we gotta talk about this defensive clinic though
Speaker 2: versus the Bucks. Now, you know, I say, you've been bothering, Bro,
Speaker 2: You've really been bothering Yohanny shot thirty one percent Louis
Speaker 2: field goal he had in over two years.
Speaker 3: You know what, Bro, you are holding all homes. Let
Speaker 3: me get you flowers, flowers. Let me tell you what today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me let me tell you what you're doing
Speaker 2: right now, Draymond Green. You are holding All Star opponents
Speaker 2: to forty two percent field goals twenty six percent three.
Speaker 3: Point field goal percentage this season. Wow, that's up.
Speaker 2: So so you doing your your thing, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: Brother? Like you get you getting to the money. Back
Speaker 3: to Draymond Green.
Speaker 2: Even Steve Kerr said, you know, you one of the
Speaker 2: greatest defensive minds and greatest defensive players that he's ever
Speaker 2: witnessed being. You know, an elder statement in the league
Speaker 2: is super vetted in the league right to be able
Speaker 2: to come into this season. And y'all been turning. Y'all
Speaker 2: been chopping wood, right, y'all been helling mediocre med yok,
Speaker 2: hella mediocre but good right, And now that y'all starting
Speaker 2: to turn the corner. People starting to recognize, Oh, Trey
Speaker 2: been doing this shit all year, right, I've been saying
Speaker 2: it because that's my goal for you, bro. We gotta
Speaker 2: get Defensive Player of the Year. You know, we gotta
Speaker 2: turn up some offense, we gotta get some more rebounds.
Speaker 2: And you know, looking at that game against the Bucks,
Speaker 2: just the way the way you came out and play
Speaker 2: against the superstars of this league, that's what we want
Speaker 2: to see, no doubt, Bro, that challenge we need more.
Speaker 2: We need more of that, you know what, we need
Speaker 2: way more of that. That's what makes the league great.
Speaker 2: Are people stepping up for these challenges. What is the
Speaker 2: superstar gonna do against this defensive dude? What are these
Speaker 2: two superstars gonna do when they're putting the best defensive
Speaker 2: player on the and and you run into the fade?
Speaker 2: You know I think, uh so, I gotta give your
Speaker 2: I gotta get your kudos.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: You know, coming down the stretch of the season, you
Speaker 2: got my vote for Defensive Player to you, and everybody
Speaker 2: needs to pay attention to it.
Speaker 3: Go check the facts that part.
Speaker 2: Forty two percent, twenty six percent from three and you
Speaker 2: talking about all stars.
Speaker 3: The guys, they ain't talking about somebody getting here.
Speaker 2: We ain't talking about somebody getting lucky, like you know,
Speaker 2: like a Dylan Brooks just kidding.
Speaker 3: I love Dylan Brooks. That's my dumb Hey.
Speaker 2: I told Dylan Brooks he can be a he needs
Speaker 2: to channel a little bit what you're doing. But like
Speaker 2: nobody is like the surprise guys are surprise guys. But
Speaker 2: when it's the superstars that say.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think you know, for I like myself when
Speaker 1: you get to when you had the opportunity to face
Speaker 1: some superstars, like that's what that's what it's about, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's the one eighty two games or of course
Speaker 1: of eighty two game season. To think that every night
Speaker 1: you're going to be like, oh, I got this, that's
Speaker 1: my matchup. I'm at this point in the career, it's
Speaker 1: not quite realistic, as much as you try to push
Speaker 1: yourself to get as close to that as possible, but
Speaker 1: it's not really that realistic. But when you get the
Speaker 1: stars lined up, like you're looking at that schedule, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got I got him tonight, I got him tonight.
Speaker 3: I'm ready to go. And when I came in the league, BD.
Speaker 1: That's what you had to build yourself up on, right,
Speaker 1: Like playing against the Blake Griffins, the LaMarcus aldres Is,
Speaker 1: the z Bos.
Speaker 3: Like when those matchups.
Speaker 1: Came around, you had to be ready to go or
Speaker 1: you were going to get embarrassed.
Speaker 3: And so you know, I still kind of embody that.
Speaker 3: Like when you got the Stars coming in town, you
Speaker 3: got to be ready to go.
Speaker 1: You gotta like that's when you really test who you are,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, you can be
Speaker 1: good defensively all season and that's great, But when the
Speaker 1: stars roll into town, because this is a star league,
Speaker 1: make no mistake about it, when they roll into town,
Speaker 1: how do you fare it in? Where's your mentality? Where's
Speaker 1: your mindset when the stars rolling in town? Because guess what,
Speaker 1: everybody's watching when the stars roll and the town is
Speaker 1: so for me personally, you know, I always look forward
Speaker 1: to that opportunity. And by the way, not all not
Speaker 1: all the time, do you fare well like you don't
Speaker 1: when you're playing against stars. They stars for a reason,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you don't always make
Speaker 1: out well, but the challenge, come on to take on
Speaker 1: that challenge. The opportunity to make out well is what
Speaker 1: get me going. And so we're coming in on the
Speaker 1: back to back. I got Jannis down to the kompo,
Speaker 1: you know, Greek free, he running through everybody, everybody get downhill.
Speaker 1: Ain't nothing you can do. What's your mindset coming into
Speaker 1: that game? And my mindset coming into that game was
Speaker 1: I just want to make it tough on him. I
Speaker 1: just want to try to make him uncomfortable. Not that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come in and I'm gonna stop him. I'm
Speaker 1: or lock him up, because the reality is you don't
Speaker 1: really stop stars.
Speaker 3: You don't really lock stars up. Right.
Speaker 1: They're gonna shoot the ball as many times as they want, right,
Speaker 1: so they're usually going to get their numbers.
Speaker 3: But how hard can I make it on them? That's
Speaker 3: it's always my mindset.
Speaker 1: It's never like I'm about to lock this dude down,
Speaker 1: not really a realistic feat, but I'm about to make
Speaker 1: it real hard on him tonight, and he gonna know
Speaker 1: it's hard.
Speaker 3: It's hard. Everything he do it gotta be hard.
Speaker 1: So that's always my mindset when I'm facing the stars,
Speaker 1: and you know, against Giannis the other day, so he
Speaker 1: shot thirty one percent, which was his lost field goal
Speaker 1: percentage in over two years. Felt great about that because, ay,
Speaker 1: as you know, BD, coming in on the back to back,
Speaker 1: it's a little different, beasts. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They've been different. They been sitting in the hotel watching
Speaker 1: us play last night. So you're coming in on that
Speaker 1: back to back legs feeling a little different. I will
Speaker 1: tell you something I did the other day. I saw
Speaker 1: KG maybe a couple of months ago. He was and
Speaker 1: he was talking about what he started doing on back
Speaker 1: to backs. And you know, as he got further in
Speaker 1: his career, he like, Yo, I start doing something on
Speaker 1: back to backs.
Speaker 3: He changed everything for me.
Speaker 1: So the other day after we played, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: KG said he was doing this.
Speaker 3: KG wanted the legends. As we know, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Try it, and so I took a page out of
Speaker 1: KG book and I tried it. Bro, when I went
Speaker 1: into that back to back game, my legs, I was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't play that night before I went into that game,
Speaker 1: but I was picking up Yanna's four court. I don't
Speaker 1: pick up four court on the record. I went into
Speaker 1: that game, Bro, my legs fell out of this world.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I feel like I didn't play
Speaker 1: a game the other night, so let me take advantage
Speaker 1: of that. And man, so I went in with the mindset,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, it was great to have
Speaker 1: a successful night like that against one, you know, two
Speaker 1: time MVP, one of the greats in our game. So
Speaker 1: I was locked in and I needed that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I wanted that. I wanted that matchup challenge.
Speaker 1: Over the last five years, last five six years, me
Speaker 1: and Jiannis haven't played against each other a ton.
Speaker 3: Either he was hurt or I was hurt, you know.
Speaker 1: And so we haven't played against each other a ton
Speaker 1: over the last five sea years. And so anytime, like
Speaker 1: I said, anytime I get the opportunity to play against
Speaker 1: the greats.
Speaker 3: Man, I love those matchups. Yeah.
Speaker 2: When I played, and I can't believe this, I let
Speaker 2: the league in stills too twice and never made defensive player,
Speaker 2: no defensive team. That's crazy. That that's crazy. And on
Speaker 2: top of that, every time I stepped on the court,
Speaker 2: if I saw Kobe, I'm running over there. If I
Speaker 2: saw Jordan, I'm running to the fade. If I saw Iverson,
Speaker 2: I'm running to the faith. Right, anybody who was somebody
Speaker 2: I think for me, because I you know, I pride
Speaker 2: myself on defense, and I don't think a lot of
Speaker 2: people knew or remember that, but I pride myself on defense.
Speaker 2: And when you Garden mcgrady's, uh d Wade's, Jason Kids,
Speaker 2: Steve Nash's to Park or many you gotta be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: what's happening?
Speaker 3: You know what is it gonna And on the light
Speaker 3: night you get off who will give you a twenty
Speaker 3: if you make it crazy?
Speaker 2: It really Or or you got Mo Williams, That ain't
Speaker 2: no off night because Mo Williams gonna run it.
Speaker 5: Up on you, absolutely, Mogan. You got Mike Baby, that
Speaker 5: ain't no off night. It ain't no bro, he ain't
Speaker 5: no off nights. It ain't no off nights.
Speaker 3: The long way. You got Big Shot over there.
Speaker 2: Yeah he got And you got Chancy over there, and
Speaker 2: you got Brandon Roy, you know, over there in Portland.
Speaker 2: So you know, for me, it was always like I
Speaker 2: ain't gonna be able to stop these dudes, but I'm
Speaker 2: gonna try to. And I wanted to ask you, like
Speaker 2: when I used to think about it, it's really great
Speaker 2: offense beat great defense one hundred times absolutely. And when
Speaker 2: you have a great defender and a great offensive player
Speaker 2: and you're going, you know, let's say it so back
Speaker 2: to back, you really just painting in gray, right, because
Speaker 2: if that like someone like Jannis, if he's struggling that night,
Speaker 2: that don't mean he gonna stop shooting. That don't mean
Speaker 2: he's gonna stop being aggressive. That don't mean that the
Speaker 2: last two minutes of the game, if it's close, like
Speaker 2: who cares what the percentage is, We know that he's
Speaker 2: gonna get you know, he's gonna get the ball, and
Speaker 2: he gonna he gonna be forced to make something happen.
Speaker 2: That's where that middle ground, that gray area is, right.
Speaker 2: So as a defender, you just you really just trying
Speaker 2: to throw the offensive dude off his rhythm. And I
Speaker 2: picked one thing. I know he like kind to take
Speaker 2: that away and see if his counter is working. But
Speaker 2: if an offensive dude get going, it's ain't nothing you
Speaker 2: can do the key thing you can do right, and
Speaker 2: it's all about sticking to it. And so I just
Speaker 2: appreciate the way you play defense.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I watch the game. When I watch the games, I
Speaker 2: watch the games for passing, defense, turnovers obviously, and you know,
Speaker 2: where to make the best players. And I think you've
Speaker 2: been playing great, but you've been playing great on offense too.
Speaker 2: You got to keep the fucking offense. So you even
Speaker 2: went down the middle and dunk bro dunking like me.
Speaker 2: I can dunk like that.
Speaker 3: By the way.
Speaker 1: They came down, you have to push that. He was
Speaker 1: killing and I had to float. I've been pulling the
Speaker 1: float out the bag the last few games. I appreciate
Speaker 1: I've been pulling that out the bag, but no, I
Speaker 1: think obviously when Yeah, I'm like I said, I'm in
Speaker 1: playoff preparation. Excuse me, I'm in playoff preparation mode. And
Speaker 1: I know come playoff time, I'm going to have to
Speaker 1: score the basketball.
Speaker 3: Every year.
Speaker 1: Come playoff time, I have to score the basketball a
Speaker 1: little more. So I'm preparing myself for that. Also, we
Speaker 1: got a new team. You know, when when we had
Speaker 1: the older teams, they know when the playoffs come, Draymond
Speaker 1: going to shoot more. We got a new team, so
Speaker 1: I need these guys to understand what that looks like
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. So I'm trying to get
Speaker 3: him a glimpse of my guys.
Speaker 1: Also a glimpse of what that looked like as well,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not as laid back offensively as I am
Speaker 1: in the regular season. When to come playoff time, I'm
Speaker 1: way more aggressive, and so I'm trying to give guys
Speaker 1: a glimpse of that.
Speaker 3: Also understanding as well that we need to win these games.
Speaker 1: So I'm already locked into that playoff mode and trying
Speaker 1: to make sure I bring it offensively as well. I'll
Speaker 1: be one hundred percent honest with you, BD, I missed
Speaker 1: a couple threes the other night that I thought was cash.
Speaker 1: But outside of making sure I was putting Jimmy in
Speaker 1: position to get the ball where he wanted to catch
Speaker 1: and then allow him to make place for everybody else
Speaker 1: to just get into the right spot, my total focus
Speaker 1: on that game the other night was on the defensive
Speaker 1: side of Yeah, for sure, you can tell you my
Speaker 1: total and complete focus was on the defense side of
Speaker 1: the ball, because I knew that if I can come
Speaker 1: in and have a great game defensively with Steph out
Speaker 1: which we got to have a great game defensively with stuff,
Speaker 1: that I can help give us a chance to win.
Speaker 3: And so that was my only focus is.
Speaker 1: Putting him in getting Jimmy the ball where he wanted
Speaker 1: and then defensively trying to lock the whole court down.
Speaker 2: And I got a trick for you right when you're
Speaker 2: in that mentality right on the offensive end. Okay, So
Speaker 2: it's like first priority defense, Second priority, make sure I'm
Speaker 2: initiating as a point guard. The third priority yourself is
Speaker 2: priority is you have to laugh on offense, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: because now it's like, oh shit, I'm locking up.
Speaker 3: Oh y'all gonna give me this, Oh y'all gonna give
Speaker 3: me this.
Speaker 2: It's like you have to play light at yourself when
Speaker 2: you're so intense on this side, to where anything that
Speaker 2: you do an open shot a bucket laugh because it's
Speaker 2: almost like you're it's another arm of your defensive strategy
Speaker 2: of teasing the other team, you feel like, especially for.
Speaker 3: You, Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So now you like laughing and shit every time you score,
Speaker 2: and it's and it's and it's really just getting you loose,
Speaker 2: keeping you in flow. Right, So now you'll you'll still
Speaker 2: be aggressive, right because you'll take the opportunities because it's
Speaker 2: just like hey, all right, like I didn't come here
Speaker 2: to do this today, right, but I'll take everything you
Speaker 2: give me, right, and so just like I think adding
Speaker 2: that as that third element always for you. Oh you
Speaker 2: leave me open, great, Oh you're gonna let me drive great,
Speaker 2: Like I'll take any opportunity. Like I'm the defensive guy here,
Speaker 2: but i'm the playmaker guy here. But hey, if y'all
Speaker 2: want to give me opportunities, I'm gonna take the opportunities.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the opportunity, and I'm gonna take laugh
Speaker 2: about it, yeah, yeah, I can laugh about it. Does
Speaker 2: it just let your guard down?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: So when you get the ball, because you're so intense
Speaker 2: on defense and calling commands and offense and moving your brain.
Speaker 2: I'm watching and your brain and you're talking talking in there,
Speaker 2: and you get the ball sometimes.
Speaker 3: And it's like like you just shoot that motherfucker. You
Speaker 3: know what I mean. It's like, hold on, I'm wide open. Okay,
Speaker 3: pump it went in. Hey guess what look at I mean.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm telling you people are gonna be pissed too,
Speaker 2: especially in the playoffs, right.
Speaker 3: I think that's that element.
Speaker 2: Just a little smirk, a little laugh, a little you
Speaker 2: know whatever the music is, like that becomes your gift
Speaker 2: in your treat that the other team is giving.
Speaker 3: No no doubt. I appreciate that. Brother.
Speaker 1: Make sure, by the way, obviously you know trying to
Speaker 1: put this defensive player to your campaign together. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: continue to do that over these now thirteen games, which
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been doing all year.
Speaker 3: But it's saying that.
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Speaker 2: After Tuesday Night game, Like I said, Steve kursaid, Tahoe
Speaker 2: Yannis to five field goals shows why he's still one
Speaker 2: of the great defenders in.
Speaker 3: The world, in the world, in the world, Craig, in
Speaker 3: the world, the world.
Speaker 2: Lockdown, around the world, Chraig, just tell me your perspective.
Speaker 2: What separates you from the other defensive player, to your candidates, Like,
Speaker 2: what's the like paint the picture of you and the
Speaker 2: other defensive candidates.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: I think for me just never been a liability in
Speaker 1: any situation, you know, and no matter what the situation is,
Speaker 1: defensively unfit for man. I think, you know, if there's
Speaker 1: anything that separates me from from the rest of the guys, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, Evan Mobley incredible, incredible defender, has incredible tools,
Speaker 1: incredible length, great shot blocker, Dyson Dames incredible defender. What
Speaker 1: he's doing on the still front, gotta take your hat
Speaker 1: off to him. Trip my young fella, incredible defender, what
Speaker 1: he protecting the rim special.
Speaker 3: But I think for me personally, I protect the realm.
Speaker 1: I can guard, to pick and roll, I can trap,
Speaker 1: to pick and roll and still guard my man without help,
Speaker 1: which I think is a skill that I have in
Speaker 1: the NBA that I don't think anyone else possessed. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's anyone in the NBA that can trap
Speaker 1: Damien Linard on the boss reen and get back to you. Honest,
Speaker 1: When Yann's catched the ball in the pocket with no help,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anyone can do that. And so
Speaker 1: in turn, being able to guard two guys in one
Speaker 1: possession and not force someone to have to help me,
Speaker 1: I think that covers up a lot of mistakes. I
Speaker 1: think that says a lot of energy for guys that
Speaker 1: don't need to make extra rotations. And so I think
Speaker 1: that's what separates me largely. And then also my basketball IQ.
Speaker 1: I think I see plays way before they happen.
Speaker 3: You know, I can spot something, i can sniff something
Speaker 3: out in a heartbeat, and.
Speaker 1: I'm quick enough. I'm strong enough to react and address
Speaker 1: the issue. You know, if that's the guy, I want
Speaker 1: to come downhill and deliver a blow. And when I
Speaker 1: say deliver a blow, I mean that shoulder. I can
Speaker 1: take the shoulder and still hold my ground. You know,
Speaker 1: if that's the guy, he's fast and he's trying to
Speaker 1: get downhill, I'm quick enough to get downhill with him
Speaker 1: and still get an attempt, you know, effect try to
Speaker 1: affect a shot at the rem And so I think
Speaker 1: that's what separates me from guys is just being able
Speaker 1: to obviously guard positions one through five.
Speaker 3: Nightly, no matter who that one is or who that
Speaker 3: five is.
Speaker 1: But like I said, just my IQ and reading the place,
Speaker 1: I take great a great deal of pride and fucking
Speaker 1: up your favorite team's offense. You know, as much as
Speaker 1: I enjoy locking one guy down, I take more pride
Speaker 1: in locking your entire offense down and making your offense
Speaker 1: your your coach has to figure something else out, making
Speaker 1: your offense have to make adjustments. I take more pride
Speaker 1: in that. And so for me, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: pride and how you guarding your matchup, how you guarding
Speaker 1: the ball. But I almost enjoy more messing up your
Speaker 1: offense from the weeks out. I think when you start
Speaker 1: talking about guys who can guard the ball and guys
Speaker 1: who can be great help side defender, I think I'll
Speaker 1: be lead at all of.
Speaker 3: That, and I love it. I love it. I think
Speaker 3: that's what I'm serious. I agree.
Speaker 2: I would say when you're looking at the candidates, a
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of the candidates or help side defenders,
Speaker 2: weak side shot blockers, plugging the whole. Great defenders get
Speaker 2: a lot of blocks or get a lot of stills,
Speaker 2: but it's not on ball yep.
Speaker 3: For you.
Speaker 2: If I'm a coach and we're playing against the Warriors,
Speaker 2: of course I'm worried about Stephan Steph Curry when I'm
Speaker 2: also worried about Dreams Green. And I think the one
Speaker 2: thing that you said that that you take it to
Speaker 2: another notch is you're a disruptor. It's not just the
Speaker 2: pick and roll. It's the pick and roll, the back
Speaker 2: door cut. You know, you find your way into the
Speaker 2: mix in every play. And so just like offense, which
Speaker 2: I think you know you're involved in every play, but
Speaker 2: defensively you're you're involved in every play and what's happening
Speaker 2: on the weak side, right, And I think that disruptor,
Speaker 2: right is what really separation because in order to disrupt
Speaker 2: someone's ecosystem, you have to know what everybody does. And
Speaker 2: a lot of times people get credit for being you know,
Speaker 2: good defenders on teams that win, score a lot of points,
Speaker 2: you know, things like that, but you got to look
Speaker 2: at where's the disruption. When a coach comes in and
Speaker 2: they're going over out to report, coaches usually don't go
Speaker 2: over defense of players. That's one that separates you because
Speaker 2: you have to be in the pregame discussion going into
Speaker 2: the game because you actually you cost commotion from the
Speaker 2: time the game starts. So they got to pay attention
Speaker 2: to Draymond Green. Not only is he a great defender,
Speaker 2: but he'll talk you out your game. He'll foul you
Speaker 2: out your game, he'll push you out your game, he'll
Speaker 2: talk shit to the coach, he'll call one of your
Speaker 2: plays out in the most opportune line, right, And that's intelligence.
Speaker 2: And so intelligence, you know, I just want people to know.
Speaker 2: Intelligence is something that is earned. It's earned. It's like
Speaker 2: a PhD.
Speaker 3: Yeah that.
Speaker 2: I gotta give you that, like you know your PhD.
Speaker 2: You know, from a defensive just intelligence perspective, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Man, doctor defense.
Speaker 2: Go Hard's say, Hard, we need some doctor defense.
Speaker 3: We need some doctor defense.
Speaker 2: Sons, come on, man, and Chase's good.
Speaker 1: Speaking of defensive Player of the Year, I think somebody
Speaker 1: said to me the other night, which is always a
Speaker 1: constant reminder. They asked me a question, is it crazy
Speaker 1: that Tim duncan never won a Defensive Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: Which I couldn't believe that.
Speaker 3: I can't believe that either. Let me take that back,
Speaker 3: I can believe it because I knew it.
Speaker 1: But I still can't believe the fact that Timmy d
Speaker 1: never won a Defensive Player to your Award.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. It makes no sense to me. But they
Speaker 3: were kind of asking me why, and what I wanted
Speaker 3: to ask you, is I lot tim Duncan are there
Speaker 3: any other players in the league that, your surprise, has
Speaker 3: never won a defensive Player to your Award? King and
Speaker 3: Martin Ka Martin was the hell of a defender King
Speaker 3: and Martin.
Speaker 2: King and Martin was a lot like you, bro. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was a lot like yeah. And man, he switched
Speaker 2: on to me. And if he foil you, you're getting
Speaker 2: found its horror file. And so you gotta think about
Speaker 2: you know, when somebody like that that's gonna fil you hard,
Speaker 2: guard you hard, and we'll push you in the stands
Speaker 2: and ready for the scrap.
Speaker 3: So there's a certain.
Speaker 2: Like, Okay, I got I gotta become a little bit softer.
Speaker 2: And my approach with a Kenya Martin, I say Kobe too.
Speaker 3: Kobe definitely should have wanted a different.
Speaker 2: Because he picks up every challenge, every superstar if it's
Speaker 2: two superstars, right, he stepped up to the challenge and
Speaker 2: I think a lot of times, like when people looking
Speaker 2: at defenders, they looking, oh, he scored through, or Kobe
Speaker 2: and t Mak matched up, and they're looking at the
Speaker 2: offense and it's like Kobe Man thirty, t mac at
Speaker 2: may I forty. But you gotta look at the game
Speaker 2: to see how he stepped.
Speaker 3: Up to the chat.
Speaker 2: It's like, absolutely a defender don't care about getting crossed,
Speaker 2: crossed up or dunked on or the game winning shot
Speaker 2: because that's I gotta win more of those than I lose,
Speaker 2: you know. But they gonna play those highlights forever, forever, forever,
Speaker 2: you know. And then I would probably say, before you say.
Speaker 1: Another one, let's just give you a hit in gym
Speaker 1: makes complete sense of why Ken Martin is the way
Speaker 1: he is.
Speaker 3: That brother was born in Saginaw, Michigan.
Speaker 8: Okay, Okay, so he got camar from the saga was
Speaker 8: born say, okay, call blood in a different way, different way,
Speaker 8: So shout out, shout out to k Mark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to talk about this, but Jimmy talked
Speaker 2: about how you get mad and you get help on defense.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna watch that third quarter, I kept looking
Speaker 1: at the bench going crazy because they kept getting threes
Speaker 1: and it's y'all overhelping, and I'm looking at the bench
Speaker 1: like Joe, stop overhelping. And so I'm literally starting to
Speaker 1: lose my mind. Now I'm like, yo, this is frustrating
Speaker 1: the shit out of me. And Steve timely se Kerl
Speaker 1: always is I'm ready to lose my mind because I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm having a great defensive game right now, and y'all
Speaker 1: keep over helping. And I literally said to my guys,
Speaker 1: I said, Yo, y'all keep over helping. But he hasn't
Speaker 1: scored on me. So I don't understand why, like why
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now is everyone overhelping? Is it
Speaker 1: like he hasn't scored, Like at least let's make him
Speaker 1: score on me first, And so I start getting mad,
Speaker 1: and as timely as Steve currs, He's like, Drey, relax,
Speaker 1: keep your head. We'll fix it in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: I promise. And I was ready to lose my god
Speaker 1: like yo. Now like now he's like Yan is starting
Speaker 1: to pile up assists. It's going to make it look
Speaker 1: like he's having a better game than he's really having,
Speaker 1: Like stop over helping, and he's like Drey I promise
Speaker 1: we're gonna fix it in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: Just relax. I promise. I'm like, all right.
Speaker 1: And it was so timely for me because it immediately
Speaker 1: locked me right back in and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: he know my issue, right, like, he know what's going on.
Speaker 3: He gonna allow me to lock back in.
Speaker 1: And short enough, we definitely fixed the issue, which is
Speaker 1: why we was able to get the lead back to
Speaker 1: where we got it. But man, I hate people help.
Speaker 1: It's not that I hate people helping me. I just
Speaker 1: want you to help when there's help need it, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I get completely blown by Yeah, pull over her help.
Speaker 1: But if if I'm side to side with a guy
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna make them take a tough shot, Like
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm side to side with him, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make them take a tough shot, I don't need
Speaker 1: you to help, because, hey, you're now going to open
Speaker 1: up a passing.
Speaker 3: Angle for him if they want to.
Speaker 1: Pass b If you overhelp, you're going to open up
Speaker 1: a rebound offensive rebound possibility for them because your if
Speaker 1: your guy cut in after you help and somebody don't
Speaker 1: make the next rotation, you open up that you know,
Speaker 1: you open up an offensive rebound. But then also as
Speaker 1: just as a competitor like this mono and mono, this
Speaker 1: man versus man.
Speaker 3: I want to see what I can do.
Speaker 1: And I feel like when you have someone on the
Speaker 1: defensive end that you don't have to help, then you
Speaker 1: don't have to get into rotations. In an NBA all
Speaker 1: NBA offenses are created to put teams in rotations because
Speaker 1: you want to play against a rotation that you can
Speaker 1: get downhill, you got shot, you can make the next
Speaker 1: pass and get like and so you want to play
Speaker 1: against rotations. And anytime you gotta go that don't need help,
Speaker 1: which means you don't have to pull another defender to help,
Speaker 1: and you don't have to pull another defender to trap
Speaker 1: the box, you don't have to pull another defender to
Speaker 1: go double team anytime.
Speaker 3: You don't have to do that.
Speaker 1: You're allowed to stay matched up everywhere else and take
Speaker 1: away passing.
Speaker 3: Angles and leave this guy to take a tough shot.
Speaker 1: And so I get so upset because I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: if I need help, cool, Like, there's gonna be times
Speaker 1: in the game where yeah, you need help, and it
Speaker 1: just happens, you know, stuff happens fast on that court.
Speaker 1: But if I'm right there side to side with the guy,
Speaker 1: man don't come helping me. And then we open up
Speaker 1: something else because now I can't stop what we open
Speaker 1: up because I'm so locked in on this thing right here,
Speaker 1: I can't take away whatever you just opened up on
Speaker 1: the backside.
Speaker 3: I'm on the backside of the defense, and someone else
Speaker 3: go help.
Speaker 1: I actually don't mind, because I'll cover my guy in
Speaker 1: your guy until you get back. You look at the NFL.
Speaker 1: Derek Stingly just got paid thirty million dollars. Pass your
Speaker 1: second betweenteny six million. You know why those guys Jaylon
Speaker 1: Ramsey making twenty five million dollars.
Speaker 3: You know why those guys are making that much money.
Speaker 3: They lock up.
Speaker 1: But more importantly, you can put him on. You can
Speaker 1: take that guy. And I said, you have this receiver,
Speaker 1: go stop him, which then allows you to do so
Speaker 1: many other things with those other ten guys on the field,
Speaker 1: because I know I got that one guy that's going
Speaker 1: to hold his own over there. It just opens up
Speaker 1: what you can do elsewhere defensively. And so I like
Speaker 1: to be that guy for my team. But if I'm
Speaker 1: being that guy, allow me to be that guy and
Speaker 1: by the way, make y'all life so much easier, and
Speaker 1: so are you right. I start losing my mind sometimes
Speaker 1: when people are overly helping me because I don't need
Speaker 1: the help most of the time.
Speaker 2: And on top of that, if Giannis is passing the
Speaker 2: ball and getting assists he can, it's scary because now
Speaker 2: he can get in rhythm absolutely, And if I got
Speaker 2: to go start thinking about all this other shit, then
Speaker 2: any moment I let up off of a superstar those
Speaker 2: last four minutes of the game, that's they want to
Speaker 2: do all that right so they can catch a flow
Speaker 2: so they can be able to score.
Speaker 1: I actually find my rhythm on the offensive been through pass,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, that's that's actually how
Speaker 1: I find the rhythm. Some guys can get a rhythm
Speaker 1: by going to the free throw line one time and
Speaker 1: seeing it go in. I'm gonna tell you a huge
Speaker 1: play and I credit VP on this play that really
Speaker 1: saved me where I needed some help.
Speaker 3: I went.
Speaker 1: I went to help on Dame's drive and Dames stop.
Speaker 1: I pulled back a little bit. Dame started to drive again.
Speaker 1: I moved up and bp Janni's cut back door right
Speaker 1: underneath the rim and he would have had a wide
Speaker 1: open dunk. BP got a hand on it and knocked
Speaker 1: it away and we went the other way.
Speaker 3: He get that open dump, he get that open dump.
Speaker 3: Oh it could change things. Yeah, and that was such
Speaker 3: a big play man.
Speaker 1: But to you, to your point, all it takes is
Speaker 1: one bucket, one past won anything to get a great.
Speaker 3: Player like that, Like, all right, I got it now.
Speaker 1: And they get going and then you're stuck trying to
Speaker 1: put out the fires.
Speaker 3: So just don't yes, help if you need to help,
Speaker 3: but don't overhelp.
Speaker 2: I'm good help to be helpful. Don't help and be
Speaker 2: not helpful. That's what I say.
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Speaker 2: The Game versus the Knicks, my Knicks take that was
Speaker 2: a battle. I think it was a both of mental
Speaker 2: and a physical battle for you and Karl Anthony Towns.
Speaker 2: He played phenomenal for the Knicks, right, because you know,
Speaker 2: I let the Knicks. I think Karl Anthony Towns, if
Speaker 2: he plays physical like he played against you, right, there's
Speaker 2: a better ceiling for the Knicks. I wanted to get
Speaker 2: your thoughts on one his game that game because you
Speaker 2: know he was going at you too.
Speaker 3: I like that. I like that he was going He
Speaker 3: was absolutely loved that he came out with that mentality
Speaker 3: because as we spoke about the whole situation of what
Speaker 3: I said on the podcast, which you know him with him,
Speaker 3: Duck and Jimmy, but.
Speaker 2: We apologize anytime anytime somebody lose somebody, but absolutely what
Speaker 2: was said, what was said, We apologized, we moved forward.
Speaker 2: Obviously he heard about it. He had a chip on
Speaker 2: his shoulder, and.
Speaker 3: I like that, and I love that the days go
Speaker 3: on throughout the course of an NBA season that should
Speaker 3: give you a chip on your shoulder. What I hate
Speaker 3: is when guys act like it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: And I've actually played against Carl before where some things
Speaker 1: were said or here, this, that and the other, and
Speaker 1: he did not come out and act like he like
Speaker 1: like he knew what was going on, and I hate that.
Speaker 1: I love the way he came out. First play, they
Speaker 1: give him the ball. He gave me on a pump fake.
Speaker 3: Guess why he gave me on that pump fact because
Speaker 3: I'm thinking the same thing he thinking. It's me and
Speaker 3: you right now? What's up? Right?
Speaker 1: He shoot the pumpfact? I want the it's so bad, Ah,
Speaker 1: I go for the pumping.
Speaker 3: So guess what.
Speaker 1: Guess what I'm like, Okay, here we go right Like
Speaker 1: that was let's go at it right, And so I
Speaker 1: love that and I applaud him on his mentality that
Speaker 1: he came out with I am not the guy that's
Speaker 1: going to say when someone does something wrong and not
Speaker 1: say when they do something. Right there, that mentality that
Speaker 1: Carl Anthony Towns came out with is the exact mentality
Speaker 1: that he should have came out with, and I love it.
Speaker 1: So here it is, he get that dump, now vice versa.
Speaker 1: I get the first block on Giannis. Carl get the dump.
Speaker 1: You feeling a little different. So now he feeling good
Speaker 1: about himself, right, He get a couple of open threes,
Speaker 1: you know, in the floid offense, he making shots. It's good, right,
Speaker 1: So I need to put this fire off. So now
Speaker 1: at that point, that's a defender I have to take on.
Speaker 1: I have to do whatever I need to do to
Speaker 1: put this fire off. So now you're playing the game.
Speaker 1: You're playing the game. Oh man, he got two files.
Speaker 1: Oh if I get him a third file. He got
Speaker 1: to go to the bench, So I'm running up to
Speaker 1: set a screen. He made contact, all right, let me
Speaker 1: let me embrace this content.
Speaker 2: The chatter, And what I loved about it was the chatter,
Speaker 2: right Like, I don't know what y'all was saying to
Speaker 2: each other and what was being said on the court.
Speaker 3: I don't even care. I'll tell you, like to make
Speaker 3: up my own words.
Speaker 2: I don't even want you to tell me I just
Speaker 2: made up my own but I can I can feel it. No,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you what he said,
Speaker 2: b D.
Speaker 1: Because I think this was a big moment for Towns
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and I'm gonna go more into a while.
Speaker 1: I think it was a big moment. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you what he said. He said, I caught him soft.
Speaker 1: I said, he is soft. He's soft. Yeah, yeah, he's soft.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He said, man, you a hoe? I said, right,
Speaker 3: he said, I said, get him out of here, go
Speaker 3: sit you down him bench, Tims. He said, you are
Speaker 3: he gave you.
Speaker 1: He gave you it Christmas. Hey, So listen right, So
Speaker 1: I'm loving that. But you're going to sit on the bench.
Speaker 1: It's cool, Hey, but check this out. And you asked
Speaker 1: a specific question. You said, do I think he's better
Speaker 1: and they're better off if he plays with that type
Speaker 1: of physicality And.
Speaker 3: The answer is yes.
Speaker 1: And if Carl Anthony Towns was my teammate, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm looking to get out of him every single It's
Speaker 1: something I need you on this type of time and Harris,
Speaker 1: why and I need to get that from him because
Speaker 1: there's guys like Carl Anthony Towns that are as talented
Speaker 1: like that, Like that's that talented that sometimes you need
Speaker 1: to put the battery pack.
Speaker 3: They need somebody to put the battery pack in their back.
Speaker 3: And Carl Anthony Towns, in my opinion, I think is
Speaker 3: one of those guys because he got the size he has.
Speaker 3: He's strong as hell, right so, and he obviously has
Speaker 3: the skin of skill.
Speaker 1: If you play with that level of physicality, if I
Speaker 1: can get you played with that level of physicality more
Speaker 1: often than not, we're.
Speaker 3: Gonna win way more games than we lose.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to get you to be a better
Speaker 1: player than you even knew or thought that you were.
Speaker 1: And so he one hundred percent would be better off
Speaker 1: and they one hundred percent would be better off if
Speaker 1: he always played that physical And by the way, if
Speaker 1: he played that physical all the time, he'd be much
Speaker 1: more respected around the NBA than he is. He's respected
Speaker 1: as a talented player. But you saw Matt Barnes say
Speaker 1: the other day, Matt said, Cat's problem is he a cat,
Speaker 1: He not a dog.
Speaker 3: And that's what that's that's what Matt said.
Speaker 1: If Kat come out and play with the type a
Speaker 1: dog that he played with against me the other night man,
Speaker 1: good luck Guarden, Kyle Anthony Towns, good luck because the
Speaker 1: way he shoot the ball like a guard and he
Speaker 1: got that type of dog. You're not stopping him. And
Speaker 1: so I said earlier this year, I tweeted Carl the
Speaker 1: New York Knicks won't win with Carl Anthony Towns front.
Speaker 1: Joker like that reason why you won't always get in
Speaker 1: that front. And mentally, Joker's just like, oh man, this
Speaker 1: dude in front of me, like he's scared of me.
Speaker 1: He don't want to, he don't want he's scared of me.
Speaker 1: And so that's what the mindset becomes, like, Yo, this
Speaker 1: dude's scared of me. And I said that. Now, if
Speaker 1: you're in a playoff series and that's the game plan,
Speaker 1: y'all go with, that's a totally different story. But you
Speaker 1: against this dude, Mino ain't Mino in the regular season,
Speaker 1: bro you gotta stop him and or at least go
Speaker 1: for broke trying to stop him.
Speaker 3: And that's what I said. And everybody's like, oh, Draymond
Speaker 3: picking on cat one thing.
Speaker 1: Y'all should understand, Draymond, don't just p on people I
Speaker 1: tell you the truth about basketball and about mentality, about
Speaker 1: championship winning mentality. And if you go back and look
Speaker 1: at them tweets, I said, if they ever want to
Speaker 1: compete at the highest level, if he wants to be
Speaker 1: respected at the highest level, you got to take on
Speaker 1: that challenge.
Speaker 3: You gotta take that fame.
Speaker 1: Him taking on that challenge is the same mindset needed
Speaker 1: and which he had against me the other day. And
Speaker 1: so I stand by everything I said when I said
Speaker 1: when I when I put those tweets out, and I
Speaker 1: stand by what I'm saying now. Yes, he was absolutely
Speaker 1: incredibly physical. And if he's that physical all the time
Speaker 1: against everybody, that's a different basketball player.
Speaker 3: And guess what, when Cat showed up and played like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he realized it or not, people
Speaker 1: gained way more respect for him.
Speaker 2: But even the level of the play of everybody else
Speaker 2: went up. Jayalen Bronson, Hey, have you ever had a
Speaker 2: teammate get kicked out the game by the coach? We
Speaker 2: ever had one of your teammates sent to the locker
Speaker 2: during the game.
Speaker 3: I get out of you. I ain't never know.
Speaker 2: I have a funny story about fronting the post bro
Speaker 2: we're playing the Lakers with Charlotte. Paul Silas tells, oh,
Speaker 2: Than Campbell, Yo, we're playing Shock. You know they got
Speaker 2: the triangle. Eldon, I want you to get around in front.
Speaker 2: So it was like he was like what He was like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna front and then on the back side when
Speaker 2: they throw, we're gonna close in double team. Elden was like,
Speaker 2: oh no, man, you know I'm playing against Sack Like,
Speaker 2: I'm not fronting that dude. Paul Silas said, you're gonna
Speaker 2: front his ass or you ain't gonna play. He said, man,
Speaker 2: I ain't got no time, Like I ain't no time
Speaker 2: for this. The game start right, Elden Campbell goes he
Speaker 2: frushed Shack.
Speaker 9: They throw the ball over and said shockdown, bomm Ellen
Speaker 9: Camble front Shack again, right, get and one right Ell.
Speaker 2: They go, Man, fuck that, I ain't fronting this dude
Speaker 2: no more. I ain't front no more. Or I ain't
Speaker 2: front no more. All right, we got you, big hommy.
Speaker 2: Throw the ball in the shack El then like playing
Speaker 2: behind him. I think shack Man missed one. Throw the
Speaker 2: ball back to Shack can get an a one. Paul
Speaker 2: Silas called.
Speaker 3: The time out. Time time out.
Speaker 2: I'm out, Hey, Broy. You know when the coach meets
Speaker 2: you and start walking you to the bench. So I'm
Speaker 2: sitting on the bench. They just going back and for
Speaker 2: I told you the front, man, I ain't fronting. We
Speaker 2: get to the bench. He said, man, this is a
Speaker 2: game playing the front. He said, man, that.
Speaker 3: Shit ain't gonna work. He said, if you don't think
Speaker 3: this shit gonna work, you can leave. Oh.
Speaker 4: They said okay, and he got him off the bitch, bro,
Speaker 4: I want to the locker room.
Speaker 3: Paul Silence tell him, but fuck it, get out of here.
Speaker 3: You can go home. I was like, wait, hold on, dude,
Speaker 3: like we need this foot and shut.
Speaker 2: B I get there. We get there halftime, right. He
Speaker 2: put his suit off, like in the locker the team
Speaker 2: over there, please come on big home here. We need you.
Speaker 2: Come on.
Speaker 3: Come on, man, put your jersey like we need to
Speaker 3: come on. Man. He was in full soup, had his bag.
Speaker 3: He was on his way out. Did he start back playing.
Speaker 3: He came back to the game.
Speaker 2: You know, Paul Silence kicked Eric snot out the games
Speaker 2: on the team on the bround.
Speaker 3: Paul Silence was funny. He'd be like, you don't want
Speaker 3: to play.
Speaker 2: You don't get the fuck up body here, no.
Speaker 3: Now, bye bye man. That's hilarious. That's hilarious.
Speaker 2: If you're a big dude, don't be out there front man.
Speaker 2: Take the tough cat, cat seven feet cat. If I'm
Speaker 2: being honest, I could get away with front better of
Speaker 2: sixty six.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The din you you got, I'm sorry, is one step away,
Speaker 2: though he won step away if he played like he
Speaker 2: played against you, And then I.
Speaker 1: Would say everybody if he destroyed most guys.
Speaker 3: By the way, yeah, anyway anyway, but.
Speaker 2: Mentality right, because it was it was a different mentality,
Speaker 2: you know, because he got the cockiness, the chip on
Speaker 2: his shoulder, the entertainment. But for that game, for some reason,
Speaker 2: he was mad and locked in so them three fouls.
Speaker 3: I wasn't mad at him for that because he wasn't
Speaker 3: gonna get punked that night.
Speaker 2: He was going he wanted to be on the court
Speaker 2: every moment because he was embracing that.
Speaker 3: He gotta he got a start like that. He gotta
Speaker 3: look at every dude like Draymond, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: He gotta look at every dude like like the night
Speaker 2: you played against the Warriors, and say, if I bring
Speaker 2: that every night.
Speaker 3: It's gonna shift work to a whole other stratus fit.
Speaker 3: That's a fact. It's a different he played like that.
Speaker 3: It's a different player. No question asked man, you hit
Speaker 3: the night Night Sally or or or is it the
Speaker 3: Nightmare Mayor?
Speaker 2: According to Moses Moody, after making a final layup with
Speaker 2: twenty five seconds to go, like is that the new thing?
Speaker 3: Like Steph got the night Night, you got the Nightmare.
Speaker 3: The play was to get the ball to Jimmy.
Speaker 1: Jimmy gets denied, Moses gets stuck at the top of
Speaker 1: the ball, and so I run up get the balls.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm gonna go make the play funny enough.
Speaker 1: Moses told me, He's like, Dre, you lucky you came
Speaker 1: and got that ball because I was just by to get.
Speaker 3: In my back. If you look at the clip he.
Speaker 1: Came and he swung it and got out the way
Speaker 1: me getting that layup. Though, Steph comes into the action
Speaker 1: and he doesn't set a screen. But anytime Steph comes
Speaker 1: into the action and look like he's about to set
Speaker 1: a screen, it looses the defense because they people are
Speaker 1: terrified to stuff and so they see Steph coming to
Speaker 1: the action everybody. Oh, pause for a second to see
Speaker 1: what he about to do, and so I go. I
Speaker 1: got the ball on the left. I hesitated a little
Speaker 1: bit and then I take off and I know I
Speaker 1: can beat Cat's hip right like I know he ain't
Speaker 1: moving his puppies like that. Once I go, I turned
Speaker 1: the corner, I see the clip path to the lane
Speaker 1: and I had on. As soon as I make the layup,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's time. This game is a rit.
Speaker 1: We just went up six points. This is a rap
Speaker 1: that's hit these folks with the night Night. It was
Speaker 1: a little early, as we still have you gotta slow
Speaker 1: down on your night. I got Steph Curry with Jimmy Butler,
Speaker 1: Steph Curry's greatest free throw shooter in the history of
Speaker 1: the NBA. We have six with twenty five seconds to go,
Speaker 1: Steph gonna make free throw. So I'm like, night night,
Speaker 1: it's over.
Speaker 2: Well, here's what I will I'm saying the action like,
Speaker 2: here's what I will say. Damn, dude, it's like you're
Speaker 2: slamming your head on the pillar or like you know,
Speaker 2: it's like a homeless person.
Speaker 3: Night night. See, you got you gotta flow into it.
Speaker 3: And here's what I will.
Speaker 1: Say everything I do, I do aggressively, so my shoulders
Speaker 1: come up.
Speaker 3: It ain't just if you watch that right, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Step step shit to the step, shoot the ball, you
Speaker 1: go through steps, just do like that. When I do anything,
Speaker 1: my shoulders do this right. So Now, the first time
Speaker 1: I did the Night Night, which was after the Rudi
Speaker 1: go Bert play, when I I hit the Night Night, Now,
Speaker 1: I was like, it was way up here.
Speaker 3: It was a grass of as hell.
Speaker 1: Now, Steph gave me notes after that hour and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, it was a little aggressive.
Speaker 3: You was too high up. You got like come down
Speaker 3: a little. And so I took notes.
Speaker 1: And what I will say is on that one after that,
Speaker 1: I think my hands were a little bit lower.
Speaker 3: I learned to drop the head a little bit more.
Speaker 3: But but she was bouncing your hand, you know, a
Speaker 3: little over telling. But listen, here's the thing though, here's
Speaker 3: the thing.
Speaker 1: So then I walk in the locker room after all
Speaker 1: this plays out, and I'm walking around the locker room
Speaker 1: and I always go shake everybody up.
Speaker 3: Loan loan. People think Loan don't talk.
Speaker 1: Loon is the corporate So Moses and Loon over there
Speaker 1: like man, it's the Nightmare. I heard him, like, man,
Speaker 1: Draymond ain't doing the night Night. He doing the night Mayor.
Speaker 1: I started crying, laughing, and then Moses obviously came out
Speaker 1: and said it publicly, and there it is, that the Nightmare.
Speaker 1: It became world renowned, worldly known.
Speaker 3: Just show.
Speaker 2: You gotta do something like this like that, like the
Speaker 2: night Night, and then do something like that.
Speaker 3: Like this is.
Speaker 1: I've had a couple of night Night moments in the
Speaker 1: last week and a half though, so you know, maybe
Speaker 1: I need to come up with my own celebration, start
Speaker 1: the gat stuff, you.
Speaker 3: Know, something like this and then like ah night man.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's good. I like that. All right?
Speaker 2: We got I mean, I wish I had it. I
Speaker 2: didn't have no Sally. I was just damn I wish
Speaker 2: I had me and Sally.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I need to come up on one nightmare.
Speaker 3: You gotta work on the man.
Speaker 1: We're about to head out on this road trip, but
Speaker 1: before we get out of here with Steve all it's
Speaker 1: caused it to get away game. We got the Raptors
Speaker 1: far last far, our last home game of this seven
Speaker 1: game homestand five and one, currently looking to go six
Speaker 1: and one would have been great to go seven. No,
Speaker 1: but I don't think anyone's complaining about a six and
Speaker 1: one home stand.
Speaker 3: And then we head out in a six game trip.
Speaker 1: And while Steve always called it the getaway game is
Speaker 1: because he just always say, Yo, you never know that
Speaker 1: first game on the road, especially when you going east,
Speaker 1: You just never know how the body's gonna react, how
Speaker 1: the mind's we react. So the getaway game becomes even
Speaker 1: that much more important because you just want to get
Speaker 1: out on the right note, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And so getaway game is extremely important for us, like
Speaker 1: I said, closing this home stand out. But then also
Speaker 1: obviously we all know where the standings are. Minnesota's right
Speaker 1: on our heels, Clippers are right on our heels. We're
Speaker 1: not too far back from amongst some other guys here
Speaker 1: on other teams hills, and so every game matters, and
Speaker 1: you got to take care of the ones that you're
Speaker 1: supposed to win.
Speaker 3: This Raptors game is one that we should take care of.
Speaker 1: We're at home, we've been playing well, stuff's coming back
Speaker 1: off a night off, let's go, you know, we should
Speaker 1: be able to take advantage of this. And so it's
Speaker 1: a very important game for us, one that we got
Speaker 1: to take advantage of, and then our first game on
Speaker 1: the road comes against the Hawks. Dyson Daniels currently has
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety four steals on the season, more
Speaker 1: than any player in the last fifteen years. And in
Speaker 1: case y'all forgot how good my dog was defensively that
Speaker 1: y'all never put on the All Defensive team. BD had
Speaker 1: a career high one hundred and ninety one steals and
Speaker 1: led the league twice in steals. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you what is it about Dyson Daniels that has
Speaker 1: impressed you? And then also if there's an art to
Speaker 1: getting steals in your opinion, there is an.
Speaker 2: Art when you watch the great great John Stockton, who's
Speaker 2: still he holds the record for assistan an steals watching
Speaker 2: people like him being sneaky, right, you learn how to
Speaker 2: be sneaky. Alan Iverson play every passing lane, like as
Speaker 2: soon as you're not thinking about it, you got the
Speaker 2: Allen Iverson's a Dwayne Ways people like that that played
Speaker 2: the passing lane.
Speaker 3: But that John stocked and sneakiness.
Speaker 2: Is really because there's just a high intelligence and knowing
Speaker 2: like where the pass like you just anticipated passes. My
Speaker 2: career high the year I did one ninety one, I
Speaker 2: picked people up three quarter court, so a lot of
Speaker 2: those steals were on ball steals. I would jam him
Speaker 2: up at half court because they couldn't take a back dribble.
Speaker 2: You know, that was the year I picked everybody. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, I picked Lebron, I picked you know, everybody
Speaker 2: got picked at half court. Steve Francis got picked. I
Speaker 2: got everybody, and I used the half court as like
Speaker 2: a defensive line. So I think with Daniels, it's a combination.
Speaker 2: He plays defense, he got quick hands, but he's scrappy
Speaker 2: and he's sneaky. Big dude dribbling the ball in the post.
Speaker 2: He coming around on the backside, you anticipating flashes and
Speaker 2: cuts down the middle.
Speaker 3: Somebody like him.
Speaker 2: When you told don't help off the corner, you figured
Speaker 2: out a way that you can help off the corner
Speaker 2: and still try and make the play. And so that's
Speaker 2: what I like about him. The artist steals is just
Speaker 2: you gotta be sneaky, and you also just have to
Speaker 2: be in the mix, like what are the tendencies of
Speaker 2: everybody on this team? Right? And then where can you anticipate,
Speaker 2: and for me, it was more like that and taking
Speaker 2: the challenge, but slapping the ball out of you know,
Speaker 2: out of the big dude hand when they underneath the basket, right,
Speaker 2: not being afraid to like get a lot of chop files.
Speaker 2: I call him right, I got a lot of chop files,
Speaker 2: but I didn't really care because I'm going to file you,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to, you know, basically make your wrists hurt.
Speaker 3: That park that bar so I filew you, I file you.
Speaker 3: I'll gonna file you hard.
Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna chop you in the wrist, right, I'm
Speaker 2: probably gonna hack you and slap you across the chest
Speaker 2: reaching and then I may push you when you get
Speaker 2: by me. And I learned that from Jason Kidd. I
Speaker 2: almost picked Jason Kidd. I had him on. He had
Speaker 2: me on the sideline man, I had him boom fuck.
Speaker 2: I was on the way man, Jason Kidd pushed me
Speaker 2: into the scores table.
Speaker 3: I was like, Yo, what's up?
Speaker 2: Like, no, man, I ain't trying to get to turnover.
Speaker 2: You ain't picking me, so you know it's it's I
Speaker 2: think that's the artist being sneaky. I would ask you too,
Speaker 2: because as a defender. You look at somebody like, you know,
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety four steals this season, like that's huge,
Speaker 2: that's a lot huge.
Speaker 1: That is that is that's huge. I think I'd actually
Speaker 1: give Dyson Dames credit. He's a good defender. A lot
Speaker 1: of guys that get steals ain't good defenders. A lot
Speaker 1: of guys that get steals. They just sell out on
Speaker 1: the play and leave your defense if they don't get
Speaker 1: to steal, they leave your defense in rotations like we
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, they leave your defense at a
Speaker 1: disadvantage because now they're out of position that someone got
Speaker 1: to cover for that. I think stills in some cases
Speaker 1: has has been a misconception around this lead of that
Speaker 1: if you get steals you're a good defender. That's not
Speaker 1: the case. I don't think that about Dyson Danes. I
Speaker 1: do think Dyson Danis is a good defender just like yourself.
Speaker 1: And there is an art to it. Hey, you have
Speaker 1: to be willing to take the risk. So you have
Speaker 1: to be a risk in order to get steals.
Speaker 3: B you have to.
Speaker 1: And in the case of where there's a good defender
Speaker 1: and steals their their lives in IQ because you have
Speaker 1: to read these situations, to not put yourself in bad positions,
Speaker 1: not put your team in bad positions, but to still
Speaker 1: get that still. And by the way, I want to
Speaker 1: get that still. But if I don't get to steal
Speaker 1: the good defenders, I'm still in position to guard displays.
Speaker 1: And so I think that's a big thing as well.
Speaker 1: It's like, how are you leaving your team position when
Speaker 1: you're going after these stills. And you know, I have
Speaker 1: a guy on my team who has a great artist
Speaker 1: still in the basketball, Jimmy Butler. He's great at get
Speaker 1: the steals and anticipating things. And then obviously I like
Speaker 1: to come up with a few stills here and there myself.
Speaker 1: I'm a one time stills leader in this NBA myself.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I think it's an art for sure.
Speaker 1: One I like to get is when I am strong
Speaker 1: side corner and that got dry poking away guys really
Speaker 1: willing to take that stab and get and get them
Speaker 1: every now and then. So I think that would be
Speaker 1: my favorite one to get for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And on top of that, like to your point, like
Speaker 2: just because you get steals on me, you're a great defender.
Speaker 3: I mean You've got great instincts, great timing. You know.
Speaker 2: I always try to pride myself because I wanted to
Speaker 2: be top three in the league of guards and block
Speaker 2: shots too.
Speaker 3: Defense stills is also block shot.
Speaker 2: Like block shots, you may not block, you know, you
Speaker 2: may not get credit for the block, but you get
Speaker 2: credit for the deflection.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've been watching it. Dyson Daniels since G League and
Speaker 2: you know, since he was young, and he just has
Speaker 2: a knack for disruption.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that disruption he does.
Speaker 1: He was a good defendant when he was in a
Speaker 1: He was a good defender when he was in New
Speaker 1: Orleans to New Orleans. Yeah, he wasn't needed to pick
Speaker 1: it up more. Yeah, now he's done that, So good
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 3: It's good to see his growth. Yep.
Speaker 2: The highlight of the road trip is Jimmy Butler returning
Speaker 2: to Miami for the first time since the trade.
Speaker 3: Miami hasn't been playing well. What are they on the
Speaker 3: eight game loser, nine game losing Street they just lost
Speaker 3: last night.
Speaker 2: What do you think the atmosphere will be like for
Speaker 2: that game to shout out, flyout to Miami and come
Speaker 2: to that game. And has Jimmy mentioned anything about it?
Speaker 2: I'm coming to the game anyway.
Speaker 1: Jimmy has not said a word about it.
Speaker 3: It's funny.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Traves the other day, we were
Speaker 1: talking about this game, and he was like, man, you
Speaker 1: think it's because there's two guys.
Speaker 3: There's two different types of people that deal with situations
Speaker 3: like this.
Speaker 1: There's the person that doesn't say anything, and you know
Speaker 1: it means a lot to them, but they just don't
Speaker 1: say anything. And then there's the person that's like, no,
Speaker 1: this's like, I'm going to get this. And the reality is,
Speaker 1: we all know Jimmy's mentality. He gonna be on teen.
Speaker 1: What I'm excited to see is is he going to
Speaker 1: be the guy that lets everybody else know and men
Speaker 1: us around him he on ten? Yeah, Well is he
Speaker 1: just gonna walk in there on tea and everybody fall
Speaker 1: in line? Nonetheless, I think the atmosphere is going to
Speaker 1: be a great atmosphere because Wiggs is going to come
Speaker 1: and Wigs is going to want to play great.
Speaker 3: Kyler Anderson going to give minutes and he doesn't want
Speaker 3: to play great. Ye uh. And then obviously Jimmy raises.
Speaker 1: All tides at all times and raise atmospheres at all times.
Speaker 1: And so, and I think there's gonna be some place
Speaker 1: that Jimmy gonna make it known in that game. And
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that smoke. So I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be a great atmosphere. I think it's going
Speaker 1: to be a fun game. I'm looking forward to it. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Miami is always fun in the so, but we're going
Speaker 1: down there locked in, So I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: I think it'll be great.
Speaker 3: And just hit me, you thrive and being hated.
Speaker 2: Right at the beginning of the year, you were playing
Speaker 2: basketball and nobody hated you, Like, no teams hated you.
Speaker 2: They was just like ya, we can beat them. And
Speaker 2: y'all didn't have like and y'all were just playing basketball, right,
Speaker 2: So when you look at let's say, the first half
Speaker 2: of the year, you say, oh, look at Draymond Shananigans.
Speaker 2: Now look at Draymon Shenanigans when he hated you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And so now y'all got a fire
Speaker 2: going into Miami and the Warriors being hated, y'all used
Speaker 2: to that. That's how like y'all meet that energy. More
Speaker 2: so to drive like Steph needs to be hated and
Speaker 2: not loved all the time, right because much Yeah, but
Speaker 2: you know, like you used to that because it's war
Speaker 2: Doves fans all over the world, right, and there's Steph
Speaker 2: Curry fans all around the world, three point shooting fans
Speaker 2: all around the world.
Speaker 3: But there's a sense of emptiness and stillness.
Speaker 2: And quieting the gym down or a noisy gym that
Speaker 2: you guys just thrive in because you know, it's war,
Speaker 2: it's battle. And so this first game, y'all going somewhere,
Speaker 2: y'all gonna be hated. So I think this road trip
Speaker 2: is going to be a great eye opening experience because
Speaker 2: now you get to feel like the old Warriors, where
Speaker 2: people hate it, whether you were seventy wins hate it
Speaker 2: everywhere you went in. You have to, like you feel
Speaker 2: you have to iron prove yourself. But you knew that, Okay,
Speaker 2: they hate us, we hate them, and it just raises
Speaker 2: it raises the level right one, and the energy right
Speaker 2: because a lot of times you gotta just you just
Speaker 2: gotta try shit, do shit during the season just.
Speaker 3: To rall yourself up. You ain't got to do that
Speaker 3: no more.
Speaker 1: Nah, you just come in on a different type of
Speaker 1: time now, yep, absolutely, So I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 3: And I love walking into the arena being hated.
Speaker 1: You know why, because when you win, there's no better
Speaker 1: feeling than shutting that crowd up. And we will be
Speaker 1: hated tremendously in Miami this time around.
Speaker 3: We will be hated in Memphis as always. Oh for sure,
Speaker 3: we will be hated in Los Angeles. There I be
Speaker 3: at that game. You got San Antonio, which is always
Speaker 3: a tough game.
Speaker 1: You got New Orleans, which we've had some battles in
Speaker 1: that place in playoff series, so they're always looking to
Speaker 1: beat us, right, and so this trip uh and then
Speaker 1: Atlanta is always a fun game, So this will be
Speaker 1: a good trip for us.
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: Just get around and leave before we get out of here.
Speaker 1: The King County Hall game winner versus Miami, it was
Speaker 1: good to see the young fella, you know, take advantage
Speaker 1: of that moment, you know, pull up for the Tracy
Speaker 1: on this Overbam out of Bayo for the game said
Speaker 1: that was his first three game winner, and I loved
Speaker 1: his explanation after the game.
Speaker 3: He said, Man, that's.
Speaker 1: The moment you like you grow up in the driveway
Speaker 1: three two, you let that thing go. Yeah, And It
Speaker 1: was great to see him have that moment. As you know,
Speaker 1: I'm always rooting for the Detroit Pistons when they ain't
Speaker 1: playing against so.
Speaker 3: So I was. I was happy to see k had
Speaker 3: that moment. That was big time. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That was my sleeper team, remember them Houston at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the year.
Speaker 3: That was my sleeper team. K Cunningham has a SGA
Speaker 3: type of.
Speaker 2: Or yeah he just has yeah, yeah he got the
Speaker 2: or he got the or you know, I challenged Kate
Speaker 2: to play one on one.
Speaker 3: I'm still not gonna duck that fade. But damn dude,
Speaker 3: like he.
Speaker 2: Nice, broy Hey, he's so nice and poison mature. And
Speaker 2: I would say this to young kids out there, like
Speaker 2: if you want to be great, you have to figure
Speaker 2: out pace, how to dictate pace. And k Cunningham is
Speaker 2: settling into his flow, into his pace, and he's like Luka,
Speaker 2: donk SGA steph. Everybody has their own kind of pace.
Speaker 2: And they looked like they move as slow, right, but
Speaker 2: it's because you can never get them too fast too slow.
Speaker 2: It's always in their comfort zone. And that's where Kay
Speaker 2: Cunningham is right now. Man, heah in a comfort zone.
Speaker 2: And you know six seven. He can he can shoot three.
Speaker 2: Get you know, big body, get to the get to
Speaker 2: the bucket. I like his maturity.
Speaker 3: He looked like he looked like he feel like he
Speaker 3: belonged in the position day he felt like, yeah, he
Speaker 3: felt like he should be bigger than that. He looked
Speaker 3: like he prepping for the next level.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna say here first, Kate Cunningham will
Speaker 1: bring a championship back to Detroit.
Speaker 3: I think he will. I think I see it happening.
Speaker 3: He got the talent, He got the talent, he got
Speaker 3: the demeanor, he got the size. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: people under ray.
Speaker 1: He got the size to put a team on his
Speaker 1: shoulders and actually carry it. Kay cunningheam will bring championship
Speaker 1: basketball championship rings at least I ring back to the
Speaker 1: Detroit Pistons. Obviously, I understand how important franchise and organizations
Speaker 1: is to that ownership, right, and then bringing in Trajan
Speaker 1: langdon I think it's a big deal. I think Trasan
Speaker 1: is ready to take that next step and ready to
Speaker 1: take that next step with the team. So I don't
Speaker 1: know when it's going to be because I think they
Speaker 1: still got some fine tuning of the roster and different
Speaker 1: stuff doesn't need to happen over the course of time.
Speaker 1: But Kay Cunningham will bring a championship back to Detroit.
Speaker 2: I can't deny that with his game. And you know
Speaker 2: what they're building over there. They got the talent they want.
Speaker 2: So look out there for the next you know, the
Speaker 2: next five years. We gotta we gotta keep a close
Speaker 2: eye on what's about to start happening in Detroit.
Speaker 3: One million percent.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the city, Motor City three one three,
Speaker 1: shout out.
Speaker 3: To my Detroit people.
Speaker 1: Our last game of the trip is the Los Angeles Lakers,
Speaker 1: which is crazy, by the way, let's just speak of it. Yes,
Speaker 1: this the Lakers, tough game, all that, But then you
Speaker 1: come home from a two week trip on the back
Speaker 1: to back versus Denver, let's just talk about the NBA
Speaker 1: schedule makers for a reason.
Speaker 3: That's trash. Moving on, shout out to the NBA.
Speaker 1: Our last game versus the Los Angeles Lakers on this
Speaker 1: upcoming trip. Don't know if Brown will be back by then,
Speaker 1: assuming he will, but since Luca's debut, he's led the
Speaker 1: team in points, rebounds, assists, stills, three point percentage, and
Speaker 1: plus minus Recently, the focus has shifted to Austin Reeves,
Speaker 1: with many calling him the best third option.
Speaker 3: In the league. What do you think? BD?
Speaker 1: And just as of note James Worthy Big game, James
Speaker 1: the Legend himself said, I'm telling you people, google Pistol
Speaker 1: Pete Pete Merravis for those of you that don't know
Speaker 1: who that is, he said, that's him.
Speaker 2: Thoughts B D Love Austin Reeves, Love Austin Reeves best
Speaker 2: third option in the league. Man, I cannot argue against
Speaker 2: that man. He got you, hear me, You got confidence.
Speaker 2: He takes big shots, He make tough shots. He can
Speaker 2: get to the bucket you can't. You know, Hasy pull
Speaker 2: up layups, fearless, chip on his shoulder and not afraid
Speaker 2: to take big shots.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, actually wants the moment, wants the moment. He
Speaker 3: wont the moment.
Speaker 2: He looking for you to leave him open, right. And
Speaker 2: the confidence that the Lakers and J. J. Reddick showing
Speaker 2: in him and turning him into a point guard. Why
Speaker 2: you look at that dynamic with you know him and
Speaker 2: Luca that backcourt, right, and then you you with Luca
Speaker 2: and Lebron every day, and you a young pup man,
Speaker 2: and you got that mentality already. He just got like
Speaker 2: he ain't even touched his ceiling right now. He's started
Speaker 2: to learn how to pass, start to play, make more
Speaker 2: plays defensively, He's you know, he's he's leveling up. I
Speaker 2: can see Austin Reeves as a as an All Star.
Speaker 2: I can see it's like him. I heard that, and I,
Speaker 2: like a lot of people, Man.
Speaker 1: Here's what will have to happen. And for Austin Reeves
Speaker 1: to be an All Star, and he should understand this.
Speaker 1: Their team has to be top two or three in
Speaker 1: the West because and Luca's going to make it right.
Speaker 3: So you're getting two off your team, no question.
Speaker 1: So if your team's top two, top three in the
Speaker 1: West around that time, then you could possibly get three
Speaker 1: in that'll be That'll have to be his path to
Speaker 1: becoming an All Star. But nonetheless, I think when I
Speaker 1: look at Austin Reeves and they say best start option
Speaker 1: in the elite, I haven't really sat down and looked
Speaker 1: at third options to be like the best. And here's
Speaker 1: another thing. All the third options ain't just based off scoring.
Speaker 1: Because third option was the third option, you have to
Speaker 1: do other things sometimes because the scoring may not the
Speaker 1: ball may not come your way as the third.
Speaker 3: Option if Luca and Bron got it going.
Speaker 1: So I think when you're speaking the third options, it
Speaker 1: can't be just based off scoring, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It has to be based off overall impact.
Speaker 1: And so I'm not going to sit here in debate
Speaker 1: and say he not the best third option. I just
Speaker 1: haven't done the exercise to figure out if he is there.
Speaker 1: That's my opinion. But he definitely at the top, no
Speaker 1: questions asked. And I think one of the things that
Speaker 1: I like most about Austin Reeves, I saw this clip
Speaker 1: of him and it's actually his demeanor in the court.
Speaker 1: Where I saw this clip, he was on some podcast
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, everybody like, oh I got
Speaker 1: the white boy, and he.
Speaker 3: Said, it's gonna be hell you come this way. And
Speaker 3: that's actually his demeanor on the court.
Speaker 1: It's like you think, oh I got off, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be hell. And so I love the demeanor that he carries,
Speaker 1: how he embodies, you know, just that having that mentality
Speaker 1: on the floor, you know, So shout out to us, Reez.
Speaker 1: I think he playing great basketball. But in other news,
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, I saw the ESPN
Speaker 1: article about how you find your voices rapper bar Oatmeal
Speaker 1: and you know how I liked in the show with
Speaker 1: a g list.
Speaker 3: You tell me who are your top five NBA players
Speaker 3: who's turned rappers? Right now?
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna take bart Oldmeill out the pitcher because
Speaker 2: he ain't no comparison. We don't compare barn o'mill only collaborates,
Speaker 2: and we make fire top five. We're gonna go in
Speaker 2: no order. This is who I like. Shaquille O'Neil. He's
Speaker 2: like the James Brown of NBA players turn rappers. He's
Speaker 2: like the l l He's the he's our Oh you
Speaker 2: go because he you know, he he tore the doors
Speaker 2: now and.
Speaker 3: I like Dame Lillard Dame Dollar.
Speaker 2: All right, you got an NBA player who has kept
Speaker 2: the same name and his nickname. Translate that to rap
Speaker 2: and Dame Spit, you know, put out like three or
Speaker 2: four albums, you know, breaking another threshold, number three, triple j.
Speaker 3: Okay, do get hey, he got he put out an album.
Speaker 2: It was crazy. I used to bump his album. I
Speaker 2: was bumping his album. I think it was like two
Speaker 2: years ago, last year, two years ago.
Speaker 3: Just for those of y'all out there that don't know
Speaker 3: who Triple J is. That's Jared Jackson.
Speaker 2: That's Jared Jackson Jr. My bad Triple J. Jared Jackson Jr.
Speaker 2: In Memphis. Check his song out. I think the song
Speaker 2: called I Duken. I gotta put KD the Slim Reaper
Speaker 2: in there. Yeah, I gotta put Slim Reaper in the
Speaker 2: mix because man with the song with him and Stanley
Speaker 2: was fired. And yeah, he got a nice melodic flow.
Speaker 2: You know, he got a nice tone. I like his
Speaker 2: tone and and I like, you know, obviously I like
Speaker 2: his frequency. You know, the bat selection, just the frequency.
Speaker 3: Uh. He rap on one thing about Kate before you
Speaker 3: go to your next one.
Speaker 1: K is as much of a music savant as he
Speaker 1: is a basketball savant. And I think that's like when
Speaker 1: you talk to Astria music like KD love music. He
Speaker 1: when I say he is as much a savant and
Speaker 1: that one is basketball, maybe even more like and you
Speaker 1: know how much of a savant and great KD is
Speaker 1: in basketball, He's a savant when they.
Speaker 3: Come to that music, man, he loves it. He know
Speaker 3: every song.
Speaker 1: He know every artist dating back though not just like
Speaker 1: new artists like across the board and so uh just
Speaker 1: just Katie.
Speaker 2: Now you can tell and I say rounding on my
Speaker 2: last too, because I don't include shack uh Miles Bridges.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir r t B m B. He snaps, he
Speaker 3: just he just he just he he snaps.
Speaker 2: And then list but not least Lonzo ball A k
Speaker 2: a Ozo Oatmeal.
Speaker 3: We got collaboration, we got a little tape.
Speaker 2: That's my guy. You know, we'd be locked in in
Speaker 2: the studio. Shout out to Lonzo Bard. I actually want
Speaker 2: to produce an album with all the NBA players and
Speaker 2: musicians on one album. So that's that's like one of
Speaker 2: my next projects because it's just so much talent. He's
Speaker 2: doing so talent. Victor on the depot sing.
Speaker 3: Yes he does.
Speaker 2: Javelle McGee make beats, you know, uh, Justin Bieber and
Speaker 2: all that ship.
Speaker 3: Jebel McGee I have a grant me. Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: he do. Jaelle got a grand.
Speaker 1: So it's a lot of musical talent in the n B.
Speaker 1: A Hey, but I got one question on your list
Speaker 1: that I just there's an omission that.
Speaker 3: I don't like. Jello and oh yeah, yeah you said NBA,
Speaker 3: you said n B A if Mac McClung can be
Speaker 3: an NBA.
Speaker 1: Don't champion, you put NBA rapper. Yes, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you all this though.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you all this more than anybody except
Speaker 3: maybe Shot.
Speaker 1: Jello is living a dream. Yes, here's why we all
Speaker 1: want to be rappers. We all want to be musicians.
Speaker 1: All rappers want to be basketball players.
Speaker 3: He did it. He is actually a musician. He is
Speaker 3: actually played basketball. He brothers just at stage on rollerd
Speaker 3: Loud on sta Age. Come on, man, Jello is living
Speaker 3: a dream right now. He is doing it. Bro.
Speaker 2: You got you got the period fire songs out, Let's
Speaker 2: come out and he release slappers yep, period.
Speaker 3: For show. Yeah hell yeah yeah, come on man.
Speaker 2: Yes, he is for sure that I gotta come get
Speaker 2: with Barto Meal man, because let's go. When Barno Mill
Speaker 2: released the Vault, it's all for collaboration, so we don't
Speaker 2: do no comparisons.
Speaker 3: We just whip up a ball, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: That's the slug and get a ball everybody out there,
Speaker 3: Let's get it.
Speaker 1: Shout out to all the rappers, turn hoopers. Shout out
Speaker 1: to all the hoopers turn rappers.
Speaker 3: Gotta love it.
Speaker 1: Love how to intersect love how music and basketball and
Speaker 1: culture in a sect.
Speaker 3: Never take that for granted. It's a part of the game.
Speaker 1: Shout out to AI when you talk hip hop and
Speaker 1: basketball being synonymous.
Speaker 3: Hey, I led that charge. Shout out to him. She
Speaker 3: got some other rappers out there too. Cold.
Speaker 1: Was a rapper come out cold? You know what I'm saying, Yes,
Speaker 1: he did, so. Shout out to the guys. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what. You will not be hearing any routes
Speaker 1: from me.
Speaker 3: Yeah you will. I try to rhyme with every sentence
Speaker 3: in every bar You're gonna get.
Speaker 2: You will hear Draymond on a Barn Oatmeal Welcome to
Speaker 2: the Bay album.
Speaker 3: I gotta get you on there, bro J call that's feezing.
Speaker 1: That's a rap from this episode of The Draymond Green
Speaker 1: Show with My Dog bar Oatmeal b d the legend.
Speaker 3: Baron Davis hit the ball of that Draymond Show. Out
Speaker 3: the volume. M